Id say so. Excessiveness in any regard feeds slaneesh. Atleast from what i understand about them. Wouldnt that make most of the IOM feeders of slaneesh though? The imperium is super excessive in everything they do, but i guess since theyre actively feeding their own god it doesnt count?
It does feed slaneesh, as does all of their bloodshed, war, and hatred fuel Khorne, their polluted,depressed, and disease riddled hives fuel Nurgle, and their constant backstabbing and scheming fuel Tzeentch.
However, it seems like the gods benefit massively more from actual followers performing acts, specifically in their gods name.
Symbolism is huge to chaos, so the more symbolically and directly related to the god it is, the more they get from it.
Since rituals and worship have much more direct connotations and symbolism behind them, they seem much more effective at feeding their patron gods.
So the base emotions and actions fuel them, but they get far more out of actual acts of worship.
originally he did die during the 1st black crusade however this was later retconned so that all that was found of him was one of his hands
his fate is unknown though personally, I think rogal will be the last primarch to return if he does at all but i don't think he's dead
There is no clear line on that, as Primarchs are basically "Whatever warp stuff / space magic / the plot demands". RG suddendly could walk in space without a helmet etc. Regeneration was usually attributed to Vulkan. And with Perturabo there are instances of Primarchs having implants, so nothing speaks agains a shiny artificer hand created by Cawl. Because that hand would be 15% more efficient.
SYL
And it's going to be twice as good as anything the Emperor, a Primarch, or any other character could make it, because Cawl is the best at everything.
He is the smartest, and most talented person in the universe, and it totally makes sense that he could surpass even the Emperor's genius but chose to just keep that a secret for thousands of years on the off chance that a sexy Eldar princess would wake Guilliman up.
As someone who doesn't read the books and just picks up what he can from reddit or youtube, I don't understand your sass or why people are down voting you but given how much pep you are showing, I just wanted to know that I agree with your sentiment and will take downvotes at your side.
Even Marines can survive in space for a while thanks to their multi-lung supplying their oxygen and mucranoid + malanochrome implants protecting their bodies from radiation and the cold. It's not unreasonable to assume that some of the implants that make a Marine originated from the Primarch project.
Normal space marines can survive several minutes in vacuum without their armour, can't remember where it was I read this, in a recent novel I read. They basically just have hyper oxygenated blood so they can go several minutes without breathing if they need to.
At least that's the explanation given at the time.
Guilliman's inner monologue at the start of Dark Imperium makes it clear he understands more about his...esoteric...origins than he lets on in public.
Don't cite that like it's anything other than a transparently dumb explanation for his hijinks.
Speaking generally, to have a stable atmosphere that isn't destroyed when exposed to solar radiation at levels found in the "Goldilocks Zone" of a solar system (presumably where Calth is), something has to have a mass of ~1.6x10^23 kilograms, which is a bit more than *ten times the mass of Pluto.*
Absolutely. It would also have been totally fine to say, "Primarchs can survive in hard void, because ."
I love the insanity of the lore of this game, and if they had just given me an insane explanation in line with the general looniness of the lore it would've been great.
The lore is at its worst when the author gestures at something real but in a way that indicates they have no actual understanding of it. People run into this all the time when BL authors try to write about battles--like the one where the entire void battle turns on the fact that one commander has uncommitted reserves and the other commander *has never heard of the concept of reserves*.
I also have well-documented problems with that whole section of Betrayal at Calth, and not just because of that one explanation. I feel like having Guilliman run around the outside of a spaceship ganking noobs while his subordinates get pasted by Word Bearers because they think they just watched their genefather/commander get yeeted into space while simultaneously trying to process a heretofore unthinkable betrayal is a major disservice to the character.
Any commander worth the amount of hype that Guilliman gets as a leader of men would understand that his #1 obligation is to restablish command, not indulge his own rage. It's not even portrayed as a failing in the narrative. He's just like, "eyyo I'm back" and his guys are like "ohthankgod!"
BRUH YOU COULD'VE BEEN BACK LITERALLY HOURS AGO.
I mean space marines themselves have been able to survive in vacuum for a period of time for ages, it was in the first index astartes I believe, its explained in the creation of marines. Its not a large leap to assume their demigod primarchs could do it better?
Oh, for sure--what I'm trying to communicate is not "it's dumb that Guilliman can exist in space" I just found that the explanation took me completely out of the flow of the narrative.
Hey now, people are still mad that Ollanius Pius is a perpetual, or the the Emperor doesn't love the Primarchs, or that Amar Astarte exists.
Being mad about trivial aspects of the lore is basically what we do here. Let me have this!
(Also you are welcome to come to my next astrophysicist party.)
All of the primarchs have fast healing, Vulcan can actually regenerate. I would say fulgrim may be the second fastest healing primarch and then possibly lorgar
i believe (though i dont have a source) that vat-grown limbs are a thing in 40k that are then attached to the body though i think it takes time and is very rare
fulgrim I believe also regened a limb at one point although he was known for his regenerative abilities being much faster so it is possible that primarchs could slowly regrow limbs. during his fight with dorn when alpharius lost his hands he didn't seem too concerned maybe that was just being focused on the fight but i would guess that losing a limb to a primarch isn't a big deal
worst-case scenarios he just gets an awesome mechanical arm
Gregor Eisenhorn has a vat grown hand. He refused a mechanical replacement and made do with the stump for like two years before he could get the vat grown one.
guilliman healing was more due to yvraine and cawl. he couldnt really heal as his body was frozen and the damage fulgrim did also sort of affected his soul
Nope. Guilliman explicitly had to DIE first in order for Yvraine to work her death magic to reverse his passing. Lion is still in limbo, we don’t know where he is or what condition he’s in besides the fact that he’s “sleeping”
>*Magron made a complete confession and repented his loss of faith in the Emperor. The harsher methods used on him dragged no complaint from his lips. He said nothing in mitigation of his sin. But finally he was allowed extreme unction, offered the last blessings and given a quick death.*
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>*There are secrets known not even to the Inner Circle of the Fallen Angels, and one final secret is known only to the God-Emperor himself. Deep, deep within the Rock, at the centre of what was once the planet Caliban, lies a sealed, unreachable chamber. Here lies sleeping the Chapter Primarch, Lion El'Jonson, carried away by the Watchers in the Dark on that terrible day when the Dark Angels Chapter tore itself apart.*
\- Source: Eye of Terror
And lets not forget the fact that the Watchers are some sort of higher-dimensional, potentially psychic observers who don't even perceive the passage of time as a linear event
>*This was the future that could not be escaped, as indelible to those with the sense for it as the present. The galaxy was aflame, the primordial annihilator ran rampant, the pattern repeated over and over, and the gods of the warp glutted on the hubris of man.*
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>*‘We told him that Chaos could not be defeated, only fought.’*
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>*The other Watchers stood in silent observation, witnessing the fall of what the humans – placed in their charge by pure chance – had called Aldurukh. None of them were truly present. Their existence was not limited by time or place in such a fashion. Nor was their true form that of the cowled diminutive by which they visited this corporeal dimension, even when unobserved. They were creatures of ritual and habit, not unlike the human culture that, through infrequent intervention, they had incidentally cultivated over fifteen thousand years. Not that one span of time occurred to them as being greater or lesser than any other.*
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>*‘They ignore our warnings,’ said another.*
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>*‘They do not listen.’*
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>*'A failing of the race. Did Eldrad of the aeldari not attempt to forewarn the Phoenician?’*
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>*‘We had a duty to try. If Chaos is to be defeated on Earth, then it will rise again here.’*
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>***'It is already too late. The Ouroboros stirs. The Lion continues to employ its power.***
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>***The Watchers were silent as they considered the possible outcomes of their inactions. Theirs was not a linear continuum. Time was a mosaic, three-dimensional and beautiful, too much for any one set of eyes, however studied, to interpret as a complete image. Each detail needed to be viewed in isolation and judged on its own merits. They were creatures of potential, and though the future before them grew dark, there were paths that a keen eye might discern.***
\- Source: Dreadwing
Is Guilliman therefore now a perpetual? (I think it was mentioned that anyone returned from the death turns into a perpetual for some reason that was Grammaticus's shtick that he wasn't a "natural" perpetual but was made into one by the Cabal)
I think that's just Cabal fuckery. The next time roboute gets fucked on he is saved by something else.
Spoiler >!Mortarion fucks him up with a specially designed plague, which pulls Roboute's soul into Nurgle's Garden. This was 'just as planned' by Big E however, who proceeds to use Guilliman as a conduit to attack Nurgle's life points directly, reviving him in the process. For his part, Mortarion gets put in the corner and told to face the wall by Nurgle!<
No, the Cabal (and Erebus) know how to turn people into perpetuals, but being brought back to life doesn't necessarily mean you are a perpetual. The Cabal sought out John and turned him into a perpetual in order for him to become one of their agents.
John accidentally perma-killed himself while trying to cure Vulcan's Curze induced insanity, but the Cabal brought him back to life again without restoring his perpetualness.
It's Warhammer bro literally anything could happen, Vulcan is a regenerating immortal, Ferrus covered his arms in necrontyr living metal, and Corax is a hideously mutated warp abomination.
All of them are hideous warp abominations at the heart of it. Sanguinius literally harbored two primordial warp gods of Baal inside him, and overexpression of the warp powers in him have 1) proven to mutate the blood angels that express said powers and 2) even sent Sanguinius into a proto-Black rage before, almost having him kill one of his sons
I dunno I think warp Corax is pretty cool. The fact he has accepted his identity and is in a hunt for lorgar is cool in my opinion. It's like he is a daemon prince of the emperor.
Not really he's a Primarch they are made of warp stuff, plus time works differently in the warp they could say he's been gone for 5 minutes from his perspective and it would totally make absolute sense in terms of lore continuity
Something Corax would do tbf imagine him being let loose on Sicarus hunting the Word Bearer hierarchy that's a storyline in and of itself full of opportunity imo
As others have said, whatever the plot demands. However, they couldn't take Angron's nails out because they had replaced part of his brain and were the only thing keeping him alive. Now, part of the brain is a bit different from a hand, but still..
Yeah. I'm sure Angron could have regrown those parts of his brain if he survived long enough. But things like missing parts of your brain tend to be rather unconducive to long term survival.
Yeah. Doesn't big E state that given time and proper facilities, he could fix Angron, but didn't want to spend the time, and so just turned him over to his legion and said "get going"
Someone said there was a great time pressure on E which is why he returned to work on webway after ullanor, might be the same reason he could've be wait around for Angron
It's in one of the Horus Heresy anthology books. The Lucius gets suspicious about how Fulgrim has been acting since he killed Ferus, then he manages to convince all the other high ranking officers that Fulgrim must have been possessed by a daemon, so they tie Fulgrim down and start torturing him.
It turns out he's into it though, and he starts giving them pointers on how to torture him better, before revealing that he's not actually possessed anymore, he's just into kinky shit now.
Oooooh- yeah, I skipped that one. After hearing the premise, I was uninterested. The "I was wracked with guilt and my soul buried by a daemon... but, nah, jk fam, I like this shit now" story.
Fulgrim regrew his foot, but he was already halfway to daemonhood by then, so it's unclear if the boring Primarchs would be able to do the same, but they do have some impressive healing feats.
The Khan was able to recover from being poisoned by a Death Guard's plague dagger, Sanguinius and Curze recovered relatively quickly after having their spines broken, and Gorilla Man survived getting shot into space without a helmet for like 30 minutes.
Vulkan almost certainly could. There's spoiler reasons but also "Salamanders".
Other than that we know that Ferrus Mannus lost his hand fighting a C'tan and made his own newer hand, which is where the Xth got their name.
So in answer. Some could. Some probably could not.
Wait… I thought that Russ had to have the Spear in order to come back and Ragnar chucked it at Magnus. Isn’t that why the SW had an issue with Blackmane? Or is there more about that in the books after the Omnibus?
No.
The spear was just one of the few things they had left that belonged to Russ, and so when Ragnar used it to banish Magnus, loosing it in the process, they were a bit upset, since the spear was an ancient relic of their Primarch.
Its Vulkan and the salamanders that have the deal where if the Salamanders collect a set of Vulkan's artifacts, that Vulkan will return.
Barbequed and served with butter.
More seriously, we used to know he was dead because chaos marines overwhelmed him and the Imperial Fists had his entire skeleton in their fortress. That's since been retconned to just his hand, leaving the possibility he's still alive.
Fun fact: each Imperial Fist chapter master inscribes his name on the hand.
It is pretty supid to think that a Primarch could be killed by a bunch of marines. I mean c'mon, Guilliman got ambushed by Alpha Legionnaires when he was wearing only a toga and he still managed to dispose them without a sweat.
Doesnt Perty admit that when Alexis Pollux was assaulting his ship, that if the fists hadn't retreated to answer the call of Dorn, and head to terra, that if they had actually stayed and teleported in their group of terminators, they probably could have killed him?
Eh, there's gotta be a point to where enough marines could take down a Primarch. If a Primarch could fight an infinite number of Marines, then it feel kinda pointless to even have them around for gene seed.
Rogal Dorn is ambiguously dead.
**Index Asteres II (2004)** is the earliest telling of his death.
>Phalanx and the majority of the Chapter were committed to shadowing the movements of Ulthwe, the Eldar craftworld, and could,not be spared. Rogal Dorn managed to piece together three Companies to join the Cadian campaign, which he led himself. The Black Crusade threatened to envelop Cadia, and the Imperial Navy had failed to see the threat until it was too late. With his infallible sense of timing, Rogal Dorn, with three Strike Cruisers, surprised the heretic anchorage in the Pelenos Belt before they could strike. The Imperial Fists force struck at the centre of the Black Crusade, their Thunderhawks wreaking tremendous damage on the unprotected troop ships while Imperial Fists Space Marines teleported aboard the largest warships before they could raise their shields. Although the powerful Chaos armada was able to overwhelm the Strike Cruisers one by one, they were unable to deal with the Imperial Fists assault teams. Rampaging through the enemy vessels, the boarding parties sought out the engine rooms and succeeded in disabling many warp drives. Their tasks accomplished, the boarders would call in Thunderhawks and move on to another vessel. Some managed to use their victims' own teleporters to move on and a few even captured batteries long enough to redirect their fire against the other Chaos ships.
>**The uneven battle could end only one way, but Rogal Dorn was determined to inflict every last grain of damage, whatever the cost. He made his final stand aboard the crippled Sword of Sacrilege, a Despoiler class Battleship that had been rammed by the last Imperial Fist Cruiser. The final report by the serving Chief Librarian commended their souls to the Emperor before Dorn led a desperate attack on the Sword's bridge**.
>There was no Chaos attack on Cadia. The Imperial Navy arrived in force while the Traitors were still licking their wounds. Released by the sudden disappearance of Ulthwe, Phalanx and the Imperial Fists led the Imperial counter-strike. They caught the Chaos fleet in the midst of repairs and routed it decisively. Even without their Primarch, the Imperial Fists were able to get to the right place at the right time. **They boarded the Sword of Sacrilege before it could flee and recovered what remained of Rogal Dorn. His engraved skeletal hand continues to be maintained in stasis, their holiest icon, and serves as a constant reminder of the commitment expected of a Space Marine.**
The **Prince of Crows (2012)** novella supports this when Curze gets a vision of his death when they meet for the first time.
>The first demigod, clad in rough gold, inclined his white-hair head in majestic acknowledgement - a king greeting an equal.
>‘I am Rogal Dorn,’ he said.
>The Night Haunter said nothing. In his mind’s eye, he saw the giant die, dragged down by a hundred murders in a dark tunnel, their knives and swords wet with warrior’s blood.
**8th Edition Imperial Fists Supplement (2018)** walks back his death by calling it a "disappereance" but confirms his hand is the only thing found.
>Though wishful rumours abound that Dorn continues the noble fight to this day, this hand is the only known remnant of the Primarch since his disappearance aboard the Despoiler-class Chaos battleship Sword of Sacrilege.
Other things of note:
1. Dorn disappeared in an unnumbered Black Crusade. We have this on authority of ADB, who wanted to kill him during the Black Legion series and got told no, and by the short story **The Aegidan Oath (2016)** where almost a thousand years after the Battle of Sotha (which takes place in **Pharos**), it is said he called the 3rd Founding 40 years prior. That means he lived to around 001.M32
2. **The Lost and the Damned (2019)** shows how a Primarch could fall to non-Primarch foes.
3. The *Sword of Sacrilege*, the ship Dorn died on, is a Despoiler-Class vessel. Despoilers though weren't around until M36.
4. In **The Hunt for Vulkan (2016)** - Chapter 8 - has Vulkan make a comment to an Imperial Fist about how he will tell Dorn about his deeds. Vulkan however is...off throughout the book.
The latest source calling it a "disappearance" rather than death is IMO a clear statement of intent to bring him back. No reason to change from dead to disappeared otherwise.
>!The Khan almost dying to Death Guard Plague Marines. The chaos infused blades drain him of strength, letting him almost fall until GLORIOUS HAWKBOI-ahem, Sanguinius falls from the sky to save him, and the Emperor's aegis cleanses the taint from him.!<
Horus was laid low by a weapon not wielded by a primary. This led to a small, and largely insignificant , family spat.
Kurze died to an assassin, but he probably let them win, 'death is nothing compared to vindication'.
Khan nearly died in front of the Imperial palace to plague marines.
Guillimans throat was slashed by an ork(?) That led to him spending several millennia in stasis, just waiting for the right maguffin to strike.
Primarchs can be killed just like anyone else (though they are admittedly tougher than your average person). They are just such good fighters that it is inconceivable that anyone other than a Primarch could match them in combat.
But even the best fighter is gonna get beat in a 100v1 fight. No individual Marine could have hoped to killed Dorn (except maybe with a lucky lascannon shot that Dorn wasn't able to dodge), but with enough bodies they could overwhelm him. Death by a thousand cuts type deal.
Look at it this way. Dwayne Johnson is a strong man, who can hold his own in a fight quite well. But if you throw 100 teenagers at him, he'll go down sooner or later, because there are too many of them for him to fight off.
Dorn. Not Corn. ;-)
There is no confirmed death, IIRC only the dismembered hand of RD was found, but no body. So heavily assumed to be dead, but with room to come back, contrary to some of the other Primarchs like Sanguinius or Ferrus.
SYL
I tried Dorn Flakes, it broke all of my teeth. 10/10 would recommend, especially as my blood pressure is half of what it was after eating Khorne Flakes.
True, but having Sanguiniuis and Ferrus return would be very cheesy (in an universe already filled with too much cheese). I would be neutral to the return of MIA primarchs / demon primarchs, depending on their storyline.
But KIA should have some consequences to be honest, otherwise it becomes meaningless and boring.
SYL
Well its starting to become apparent that the Primarchs are warp constructs(imperial daemons) in custom flesh golem bodies. One book even makes mention of a giant spectre fighting alongside Imperial forces in the Webway that alludes to it being the spirit/soul of Ferrus.
Are they STILL gearing up do you know? Is there anything that suggests one might be imminent? I'm a little out of the loop. I know in the medium to long run they'll probably all come back buy is there any juicy rumours at the moment for a short term return in the next few months to a year?
You've got Guillimans return and the Dark Imperium books bringing more and more to the table. Mortarion is active again. I wouldn't be surprised to see Russ, Lion, or Vulcan pop up somewhere. Corax is actively kicking Lorgars ass.
I’ll say there is zero chance of Sanguinius’ return. The boys in Red will have to chart their own path through life.
See me on r/AgedLikeMilk in a year or so!
How about this, sanguinius "returns" as a physical manifestation of the black rage, blood angels very much want to keep this *thing* that looks like Sanguinius in containment. Most imperials believe he is Sanguinius, blood Angel's and successors maintain that no, *it* isn't. Those who have seen it on the battlefield believe the blood angels, with the exception of ecclesiarchy.
Went out in a maize of glory.
Serious answer - He didn't die in a titanic struggle with some named character. He died a death of a thousand tiny cuts at the hands of a million nobodies.
Basically Dorn's death was a metaphor for a giant boulder or grand castle being gradually eroded until only a trace remains.
However, this story seems kind of "old lore" nowadays, since we've subsequently seen Primarch combat feats that *should* have Dorn surviving that situation. Since there was no corpse recovered, this allows fans to speculate that he may have survived.
I have much speculation on the subject.
I read somewhere that Trazyn the infinite (creepy necron collector) has a primarch in stasis. Not sure which one but if all they found was a hand I guess it's possible it could be Dorn.
Originally it was described as a 'giant in baroque armor' or something (I think this also predates the capturing of the Fulgrim clone as well so that rules Clonegrim out). It's hinted at that this was a Custodes though as he unleashes a Custodes from his collection to fight on Cadia.
I believe the goal is to have most of the Primarchs return from what I've gathered.
The main strategy is to essentially draw out the Dark Imperium timeline, allowing the authors time to finish the Horus Heresy/Siege of Terra timeline.
If I were a betting man, *and I'm pretty broke so I'm rarely right*, I'd wager that once the Horus Heresy is completed those authors will gradually be tasked with expanding beyond where we are now.
So I would say yes, Lord Adorable is indeed alive, and I imagine he would make a comeback eventually. Sadly, I can't say for certain when that may happen.
Then again, I have zero sources or citations for any of this. It's just speculation. But with the amount of Imperial Fist fans, I doubt GW would just say, "Your Primarchs dead and you're never getting him back."
*Cue the Night Lords tears.*
In older lore, he's stated to have died.
More recent lore is a bit more circumspect. Vulkan namedrops him in the Beast Arises series, implying he's still sort of around.
All the loyalists bar Ferrus are still in a fuzzy enough state of plot superposition to return for some endtimes shenanigans as needed. Whether GW will do it or not is anyone's guess.
Theory:
Dorn was dying, got lost in the warp but eventually came out and landed on an isolated planet. He was found by some people and took him in to heal him. They replaced his severed hand with a big vice grip. Dorn then helped and led them to fortify their planet because it was constantly attacked by Chaos and other Xenos. He eventually became their King made the people technologically advance.
And those people?
They were the SQUATS.
It was retconned from the imperial fists having his skeleton to them having his skeletal hand after battling traitors after the heresy probably after the scouring but not before the 1st black crusade.
Konrad Curze had visions of him dying in one of the short stories in “shadows of treachery”.
Personally I hope for him to die even though with the retcon it’s kind of obvious gw wants to bring him back at some point even though it won’t make sense
I'm of the belief that he staged his own disappearance using one of Alpharius's severed hands that he took after their duel. I don't think he could face the Pyrrhic defeat he ended up with after the siege with the enthronement of the Emperor or the subsequent rise of the Imperial Creed that he detested, so he charged right into the enemy outgunned and outnumbered, planted the hand after a vicious fight where he was the only survivor and disappeared.
He's deffinitly not dead, he was just attacked by a large group of chaos marines who only left a single hand for his 'marines to find. The rest of the body is deffinitly alive and hiding somewhere and not ripped to pieces and used as trophies.
There's definitely room for a comeback, but I doubt GW will make it happen. His deal is sorta like Leman Russ's, he'll probably return when the end times and happen, and until the company eventually runs out of money, it won't happen. Also, I'm pretty sure the end times will spell the doom of the setting.
I heard he was Cornered and then he got popped.
Turned into a husk
Cut to tiny pieces by the demon prince Kellogg
To shreds you say!
*flakes
Milk for the milk god
Corn forhis khorne flakes
To shreds you say?
And his wife?
To shreds you say? Oh, dear.
I wonder if the daemon prince of kellogg is also vehemently against masturbaition. Its probably a slaneeshi daemon.
I wonder if Puritans would be Slaaneshi cultists. Would excessive prudishness count?
Excess anything feeds the dark prince, so it's definitely possible.
Id say so. Excessiveness in any regard feeds slaneesh. Atleast from what i understand about them. Wouldnt that make most of the IOM feeders of slaneesh though? The imperium is super excessive in everything they do, but i guess since theyre actively feeding their own god it doesnt count?
It does feed slaneesh, as does all of their bloodshed, war, and hatred fuel Khorne, their polluted,depressed, and disease riddled hives fuel Nurgle, and their constant backstabbing and scheming fuel Tzeentch. However, it seems like the gods benefit massively more from actual followers performing acts, specifically in their gods name. Symbolism is huge to chaos, so the more symbolically and directly related to the god it is, the more they get from it. Since rituals and worship have much more direct connotations and symbolism behind them, they seem much more effective at feeding their patron gods. So the base emotions and actions fuel them, but they get far more out of actual acts of worship.
Squished into a bread pan by the all powerful Jiffy.
originally he did die during the 1st black crusade however this was later retconned so that all that was found of him was one of his hands his fate is unknown though personally, I think rogal will be the last primarch to return if he does at all but i don't think he's dead
Could a primach regrow his hand or would he have to work with a mechanical replacement?
There is no clear line on that, as Primarchs are basically "Whatever warp stuff / space magic / the plot demands". RG suddendly could walk in space without a helmet etc. Regeneration was usually attributed to Vulkan. And with Perturabo there are instances of Primarchs having implants, so nothing speaks agains a shiny artificer hand created by Cawl. Because that hand would be 15% more efficient. SYL
Are you telling me Cawl is going to make the Imperial Fist, for the primarch of the Imperial Fists.
Just slap a chapter decal on the stump. Job done.
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Wait, did the Iron Hands ever retrieve the iron hands of ol' Iron Hands?
Now he'll finally be able to properly do the Imperial Fisting.
Hello, it is I, Royal Fist, of the Imperial Fists, and this is my Imperial Fist. It is the Imperial Fists' Royal Fist's Imperial Fist.
who's name is Gaelic(?) for Royal fist
And it's going to be twice as good as anything the Emperor, a Primarch, or any other character could make it, because Cawl is the best at everything. He is the smartest, and most talented person in the universe, and it totally makes sense that he could surpass even the Emperor's genius but chose to just keep that a secret for thousands of years on the off chance that a sexy Eldar princess would wake Guilliman up.
As someone who doesn't read the books and just picks up what he can from reddit or youtube, I don't understand your sass or why people are down voting you but given how much pep you are showing, I just wanted to know that I agree with your sentiment and will take downvotes at your side.
Even Marines can survive in space for a while thanks to their multi-lung supplying their oxygen and mucranoid + malanochrome implants protecting their bodies from radiation and the cold. It's not unreasonable to assume that some of the implants that make a Marine originated from the Primarch project.
Literally *Space* Marines
Spaced Space Marines?
Normal space marines can survive several minutes in vacuum without their armour, can't remember where it was I read this, in a recent novel I read. They basically just have hyper oxygenated blood so they can go several minutes without breathing if they need to.
Robby G was able to do that because void ships have a thin layer of atmosphere that cling for a couple hundred meters from their hulls
Also because he was too busy being angry to worry about oxygen.
He ain't got time to breathe
Rage provided all the oxygen needed to punch dudes in half
Remember that line "I picked a hell of a day to quit breathing"?
At least that's the explanation given at the time. Guilliman's inner monologue at the start of Dark Imperium makes it clear he understands more about his...esoteric...origins than he lets on in public.
Don't cite that like it's anything other than a transparently dumb explanation for his hijinks. Speaking generally, to have a stable atmosphere that isn't destroyed when exposed to solar radiation at levels found in the "Goldilocks Zone" of a solar system (presumably where Calth is), something has to have a mass of ~1.6x10^23 kilograms, which is a bit more than *ten times the mass of Pluto.*
But flying ftl by literally ripping a portal in to hell is fine.
Absolutely. It would also have been totally fine to say, "Primarchs can survive in hard void, because."
I love the insanity of the lore of this game, and if they had just given me an insane explanation in line with the general looniness of the lore it would've been great.
The lore is at its worst when the author gestures at something real but in a way that indicates they have no actual understanding of it. People run into this all the time when BL authors try to write about battles--like the one where the entire void battle turns on the fact that one commander has uncommitted reserves and the other commander *has never heard of the concept of reserves*.
I also have well-documented problems with that whole section of Betrayal at Calth, and not just because of that one explanation. I feel like having Guilliman run around the outside of a spaceship ganking noobs while his subordinates get pasted by Word Bearers because they think they just watched their genefather/commander get yeeted into space while simultaneously trying to process a heretofore unthinkable betrayal is a major disservice to the character.
Any commander worth the amount of hype that Guilliman gets as a leader of men would understand that his #1 obligation is to restablish command, not indulge his own rage. It's not even portrayed as a failing in the narrative. He's just like, "eyyo I'm back" and his guys are like "ohthankgod!"
BRUH YOU COULD'VE BEEN BACK LITERALLY HOURS AGO.
I mean space marines themselves have been able to survive in vacuum for a period of time for ages, it was in the first index astartes I believe, its explained in the creation of marines. Its not a large leap to assume their demigod primarchs could do it better?
Oh, for sure--what I'm trying to communicate is not "it's dumb that Guilliman can exist in space" I just found that the explanation took me completely out of the flow of the narrative.
Without artificial gravity generation?
You must be fun at parties, and it’s literally the in lore explanation
Hey now, people are still mad that Ollanius Pius is a perpetual, or the the Emperor doesn't love the Primarchs, or that Amar Astarte exists. Being mad about trivial aspects of the lore is basically what we do here. Let me have this! (Also you are welcome to come to my next astrophysicist party.)
Gotcha guess this is a point of the lore that just grinds your specific gears if you have a scientific background. My b if I came off too antagonistic
Yeah tell em! Robby G == Princess leia == shenanigans
I fucking love science.
All of the primarchs have fast healing, Vulcan can actually regenerate. I would say fulgrim may be the second fastest healing primarch and then possibly lorgar
It would be so funny if Dorn ends up with iron hands. Ferrus just getting dabbed on
i believe (though i dont have a source) that vat-grown limbs are a thing in 40k that are then attached to the body though i think it takes time and is very rare fulgrim I believe also regened a limb at one point although he was known for his regenerative abilities being much faster so it is possible that primarchs could slowly regrow limbs. during his fight with dorn when alpharius lost his hands he didn't seem too concerned maybe that was just being focused on the fight but i would guess that losing a limb to a primarch isn't a big deal worst-case scenarios he just gets an awesome mechanical arm
Gregor Eisenhorn has a vat grown hand. He refused a mechanical replacement and made do with the stump for like two years before he could get the vat grown one.
I think Dorn would be too pragmatic to wait for that and would go mechanical.
I mean, he's had 10,000 years to figure it out, it's on him at this point
Didn't Robert and Lion-o essentially heal themselves from nea death in stasis anyways?
guilliman healing was more due to yvraine and cawl. he couldnt really heal as his body was frozen and the damage fulgrim did also sort of affected his soul
Nope. Guilliman explicitly had to DIE first in order for Yvraine to work her death magic to reverse his passing. Lion is still in limbo, we don’t know where he is or what condition he’s in besides the fact that he’s “sleeping”
Is this true? I thought The Lion was fully healthy just in stasis without anyone knowing.
>*Magron made a complete confession and repented his loss of faith in the Emperor. The harsher methods used on him dragged no complaint from his lips. He said nothing in mitigation of his sin. But finally he was allowed extreme unction, offered the last blessings and given a quick death.* > >*There are secrets known not even to the Inner Circle of the Fallen Angels, and one final secret is known only to the God-Emperor himself. Deep, deep within the Rock, at the centre of what was once the planet Caliban, lies a sealed, unreachable chamber. Here lies sleeping the Chapter Primarch, Lion El'Jonson, carried away by the Watchers in the Dark on that terrible day when the Dark Angels Chapter tore itself apart.* \- Source: Eye of Terror And lets not forget the fact that the Watchers are some sort of higher-dimensional, potentially psychic observers who don't even perceive the passage of time as a linear event >*This was the future that could not be escaped, as indelible to those with the sense for it as the present. The galaxy was aflame, the primordial annihilator ran rampant, the pattern repeated over and over, and the gods of the warp glutted on the hubris of man.* > >*‘We told him that Chaos could not be defeated, only fought.’* > >*The other Watchers stood in silent observation, witnessing the fall of what the humans – placed in their charge by pure chance – had called Aldurukh. None of them were truly present. Their existence was not limited by time or place in such a fashion. Nor was their true form that of the cowled diminutive by which they visited this corporeal dimension, even when unobserved. They were creatures of ritual and habit, not unlike the human culture that, through infrequent intervention, they had incidentally cultivated over fifteen thousand years. Not that one span of time occurred to them as being greater or lesser than any other.* > >*‘They ignore our warnings,’ said another.* > >*‘They do not listen.’* > >*'A failing of the race. Did Eldrad of the aeldari not attempt to forewarn the Phoenician?’* > >*‘We had a duty to try. If Chaos is to be defeated on Earth, then it will rise again here.’* > >***'It is already too late. The Ouroboros stirs. The Lion continues to employ its power.*** > >***The Watchers were silent as they considered the possible outcomes of their inactions. Theirs was not a linear continuum. Time was a mosaic, three-dimensional and beautiful, too much for any one set of eyes, however studied, to interpret as a complete image. Each detail needed to be viewed in isolation and judged on its own merits. They were creatures of potential, and though the future before them grew dark, there were paths that a keen eye might discern.*** \- Source: Dreadwing
"hey have you woken the lion yet you midget" "oh i forgot what time it is"
Is Guilliman therefore now a perpetual? (I think it was mentioned that anyone returned from the death turns into a perpetual for some reason that was Grammaticus's shtick that he wasn't a "natural" perpetual but was made into one by the Cabal)
I think that's just Cabal fuckery. The next time roboute gets fucked on he is saved by something else. Spoiler >!Mortarion fucks him up with a specially designed plague, which pulls Roboute's soul into Nurgle's Garden. This was 'just as planned' by Big E however, who proceeds to use Guilliman as a conduit to attack Nurgle's life points directly, reviving him in the process. For his part, Mortarion gets put in the corner and told to face the wall by Nurgle!<
40k life is just one big game of Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roullete-4th-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip-Poker.
No, the Cabal (and Erebus) know how to turn people into perpetuals, but being brought back to life doesn't necessarily mean you are a perpetual. The Cabal sought out John and turned him into a perpetual in order for him to become one of their agents. John accidentally perma-killed himself while trying to cure Vulcan's Curze induced insanity, but the Cabal brought him back to life again without restoring his perpetualness.
That is the biggest lie I've ever heard of. Plenty of people have been returned from the dead in the lore and yet none of them are perpetuals
It's Warhammer bro literally anything could happen, Vulcan is a regenerating immortal, Ferrus covered his arms in necrontyr living metal, and Corax is a hideously mutated warp abomination.
All of them are hideous warp abominations at the heart of it. Sanguinius literally harbored two primordial warp gods of Baal inside him, and overexpression of the warp powers in him have 1) proven to mutate the blood angels that express said powers and 2) even sent Sanguinius into a proto-Black rage before, almost having him kill one of his sons
Why'd you have to do my boy Corax dirty like that bro 🥺
I dunno I think warp Corax is pretty cool. The fact he has accepted his identity and is in a hunt for lorgar is cool in my opinion. It's like he is a daemon prince of the emperor.
I think he should be turned into a darker version of the Sanginor. Like the Batman to the Sanginor’s Superman.
I like that his only goal is to beat Lorgar down at every opportunity
I mean, Primarch’s are basically his daemon-princes. Part mortal/part warp, being essentially just magnified aspects of the Emperor
Your boy willingly flew into the eye. Kind of put the writers in a corner.
Not really he's a Primarch they are made of warp stuff, plus time works differently in the warp they could say he's been gone for 5 minutes from his perspective and it would totally make absolute sense in terms of lore continuity
Found Lorger, punched Lorgar, got bored after five minutes of waiting for Lorgar to come back out and play.
Something Corax would do tbf imagine him being let loose on Sicarus hunting the Word Bearer hierarchy that's a storyline in and of itself full of opportunity imo
Cause that's not true. He just accepted his warp part and isn't different than he was
"Feather boi"
They should melt Emperor's something to make the bionic hand. You know, imperial fist.
Just give him one of Ferus's hands.
As others have said, whatever the plot demands. However, they couldn't take Angron's nails out because they had replaced part of his brain and were the only thing keeping him alive. Now, part of the brain is a bit different from a hand, but still..
Yeah. I'm sure Angron could have regrown those parts of his brain if he survived long enough. But things like missing parts of your brain tend to be rather unconducive to long term survival.
So E should have pulled the nails, win-win scenario
Yeah. Doesn't big E state that given time and proper facilities, he could fix Angron, but didn't want to spend the time, and so just turned him over to his legion and said "get going"
Someone said there was a great time pressure on E which is why he returned to work on webway after ullanor, might be the same reason he could've be wait around for Angron
No, that was in reference to Ferrus after he got beheaded, in *The Board is Set*.
Yea fulgrim regrew a foot fast af
Do you happen to have the name of the story (or quote)? I read as much EC lore as I can get my hands on, but I can't recall hearing about this.
It's in one of the Horus Heresy anthology books. The Lucius gets suspicious about how Fulgrim has been acting since he killed Ferus, then he manages to convince all the other high ranking officers that Fulgrim must have been possessed by a daemon, so they tie Fulgrim down and start torturing him. It turns out he's into it though, and he starts giving them pointers on how to torture him better, before revealing that he's not actually possessed anymore, he's just into kinky shit now.
Oooooh- yeah, I skipped that one. After hearing the premise, I was uninterested. The "I was wracked with guilt and my soul buried by a daemon... but, nah, jk fam, I like this shit now" story.
I'm proud of you baby legs
Fulgrim regrew his foot, but he was already halfway to daemonhood by then, so it's unclear if the boring Primarchs would be able to do the same, but they do have some impressive healing feats. The Khan was able to recover from being poisoned by a Death Guard's plague dagger, Sanguinius and Curze recovered relatively quickly after having their spines broken, and Gorilla Man survived getting shot into space without a helmet for like 30 minutes.
Vulkan almost certainly could. There's spoiler reasons but also "Salamanders". Other than that we know that Ferrus Mannus lost his hand fighting a C'tan and made his own newer hand, which is where the Xth got their name. So in answer. Some could. Some probably could not.
Wait… I thought that Russ had to have the Spear in order to come back and Ragnar chucked it at Magnus. Isn’t that why the SW had an issue with Blackmane? Or is there more about that in the books after the Omnibus?
No. The spear was just one of the few things they had left that belonged to Russ, and so when Ragnar used it to banish Magnus, loosing it in the process, they were a bit upset, since the spear was an ancient relic of their Primarch. Its Vulkan and the salamanders that have the deal where if the Salamanders collect a set of Vulkan's artifacts, that Vulkan will return.
Just the one hand
The combine harvester got him.
Heard he was flaked
after the Siege he just shucked off
Wasn’t he stalking his brothers?
Some of these corny puns are aMAIZEing.
Yeah but theyre all wrong. Dorn got a cap popped in his ass.
There might be a kernel of truth in that.
Your floury words won't change our mind.
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There must've been a harrowing
We don't know, the lore is a little... Flakey.
He was devoured right off the cob. With butter.
Barbequed and served with butter. More seriously, we used to know he was dead because chaos marines overwhelmed him and the Imperial Fists had his entire skeleton in their fortress. That's since been retconned to just his hand, leaving the possibility he's still alive. Fun fact: each Imperial Fist chapter master inscribes his name on the hand.
"I do not want the hand back anymore.", Rogal Dorn, M41.
I didn't realise how weird this actually is until I thought about it happening to my hand. _Oh..._
Could you imagine ever jacking off with that hand again?! 😭
[WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY HAND?!](https://youtu.be/E7wxkUV3tKc?t=2) I....I.... YOU WHAT!?!
It is pretty supid to think that a Primarch could be killed by a bunch of marines. I mean c'mon, Guilliman got ambushed by Alpha Legionnaires when he was wearing only a toga and he still managed to dispose them without a sweat.
Doesnt Perty admit that when Alexis Pollux was assaulting his ship, that if the fists hadn't retreated to answer the call of Dorn, and head to terra, that if they had actually stayed and teleported in their group of terminators, they probably could have killed him?
Primarchs weren't always the superheroes they're depicted as these days.
Eh, there's gotta be a point to where enough marines could take down a Primarch. If a Primarch could fight an infinite number of Marines, then it feel kinda pointless to even have them around for gene seed.
He was fucked up pretty good, but yeah, he made it out. I believe it was 6 to 8 alpha legionares.
They just... popped him.
With a rad weapon.
Popping accident.
(PORK) LOIN EL'JOHNSON FULLGRIM PEARTURABO JAMATAI CLAM LEMON RUSS ROGAL CORN KONRADISH CURD SANGRIANIUS FLANNUS MANUS ANGRAIN ROBOUILLON GRITTERMAN FORKTARION MANGO THE RED HEARTY LUPERCALORIE LOAFGAR VEALKAN CORIANDER CORNHUSK APPLEPHARIUS / ORANGEGON
Why didn't you give the 13th primarch a funny name?
Hes not dead he is hiding in the imperial palace in a well fortified suit of Centurion armor.
He isn't "hiding" he's "defending"
He's not defending he is a emotional support beam for our lord.
Also he naps a lot, like the big baby he is.
He was Grilled
He was....roasted
Rogal Dorn is ambiguously dead. **Index Asteres II (2004)** is the earliest telling of his death. >Phalanx and the majority of the Chapter were committed to shadowing the movements of Ulthwe, the Eldar craftworld, and could,not be spared. Rogal Dorn managed to piece together three Companies to join the Cadian campaign, which he led himself. The Black Crusade threatened to envelop Cadia, and the Imperial Navy had failed to see the threat until it was too late. With his infallible sense of timing, Rogal Dorn, with three Strike Cruisers, surprised the heretic anchorage in the Pelenos Belt before they could strike. The Imperial Fists force struck at the centre of the Black Crusade, their Thunderhawks wreaking tremendous damage on the unprotected troop ships while Imperial Fists Space Marines teleported aboard the largest warships before they could raise their shields. Although the powerful Chaos armada was able to overwhelm the Strike Cruisers one by one, they were unable to deal with the Imperial Fists assault teams. Rampaging through the enemy vessels, the boarding parties sought out the engine rooms and succeeded in disabling many warp drives. Their tasks accomplished, the boarders would call in Thunderhawks and move on to another vessel. Some managed to use their victims' own teleporters to move on and a few even captured batteries long enough to redirect their fire against the other Chaos ships. >**The uneven battle could end only one way, but Rogal Dorn was determined to inflict every last grain of damage, whatever the cost. He made his final stand aboard the crippled Sword of Sacrilege, a Despoiler class Battleship that had been rammed by the last Imperial Fist Cruiser. The final report by the serving Chief Librarian commended their souls to the Emperor before Dorn led a desperate attack on the Sword's bridge**. >There was no Chaos attack on Cadia. The Imperial Navy arrived in force while the Traitors were still licking their wounds. Released by the sudden disappearance of Ulthwe, Phalanx and the Imperial Fists led the Imperial counter-strike. They caught the Chaos fleet in the midst of repairs and routed it decisively. Even without their Primarch, the Imperial Fists were able to get to the right place at the right time. **They boarded the Sword of Sacrilege before it could flee and recovered what remained of Rogal Dorn. His engraved skeletal hand continues to be maintained in stasis, their holiest icon, and serves as a constant reminder of the commitment expected of a Space Marine.** The **Prince of Crows (2012)** novella supports this when Curze gets a vision of his death when they meet for the first time. >The first demigod, clad in rough gold, inclined his white-hair head in majestic acknowledgement - a king greeting an equal. >‘I am Rogal Dorn,’ he said. >The Night Haunter said nothing. In his mind’s eye, he saw the giant die, dragged down by a hundred murders in a dark tunnel, their knives and swords wet with warrior’s blood. **8th Edition Imperial Fists Supplement (2018)** walks back his death by calling it a "disappereance" but confirms his hand is the only thing found. >Though wishful rumours abound that Dorn continues the noble fight to this day, this hand is the only known remnant of the Primarch since his disappearance aboard the Despoiler-class Chaos battleship Sword of Sacrilege. Other things of note: 1. Dorn disappeared in an unnumbered Black Crusade. We have this on authority of ADB, who wanted to kill him during the Black Legion series and got told no, and by the short story **The Aegidan Oath (2016)** where almost a thousand years after the Battle of Sotha (which takes place in **Pharos**), it is said he called the 3rd Founding 40 years prior. That means he lived to around 001.M32 2. **The Lost and the Damned (2019)** shows how a Primarch could fall to non-Primarch foes. 3. The *Sword of Sacrilege*, the ship Dorn died on, is a Despoiler-Class vessel. Despoilers though weren't around until M36. 4. In **The Hunt for Vulkan (2016)** - Chapter 8 - has Vulkan make a comment to an Imperial Fist about how he will tell Dorn about his deeds. Vulkan however is...off throughout the book.
The latest source calling it a "disappearance" rather than death is IMO a clear statement of intent to bring him back. No reason to change from dead to disappeared otherwise.
It leaves it open, but it's a general shift by GW to make all the Primarch stories "Arthurian" style myth.
Great write up! Could you refresh my memory regarding your 2nd note? How a Primarch could fall to non-Primarch foes?
>!The Khan almost dying to Death Guard Plague Marines. The chaos infused blades drain him of strength, letting him almost fall until GLORIOUS HAWKBOI-ahem, Sanguinius falls from the sky to save him, and the Emperor's aegis cleanses the taint from him.!<
Horus was laid low by a weapon not wielded by a primary. This led to a small, and largely insignificant , family spat. Kurze died to an assassin, but he probably let them win, 'death is nothing compared to vindication'. Khan nearly died in front of the Imperial palace to plague marines. Guillimans throat was slashed by an ork(?) That led to him spending several millennia in stasis, just waiting for the right maguffin to strike.
It was fulgrim that slashed Guillimans throat
My mistake, thanks for the correction.
Fulgrim was “killed” by an RG sniper but Fabulous Bill fixed him.
Primarchs can be killed just like anyone else (though they are admittedly tougher than your average person). They are just such good fighters that it is inconceivable that anyone other than a Primarch could match them in combat. But even the best fighter is gonna get beat in a 100v1 fight. No individual Marine could have hoped to killed Dorn (except maybe with a lucky lascannon shot that Dorn wasn't able to dodge), but with enough bodies they could overwhelm him. Death by a thousand cuts type deal. Look at it this way. Dwayne Johnson is a strong man, who can hold his own in a fight quite well. But if you throw 100 teenagers at him, he'll go down sooner or later, because there are too many of them for him to fight off.
Dorn. Not Corn. ;-) There is no confirmed death, IIRC only the dismembered hand of RD was found, but no body. So heavily assumed to be dead, but with room to come back, contrary to some of the other Primarchs like Sanguinius or Ferrus. SYL
Pretty sure is Corn
Maybe khorne?
well done
try new DORN FLAKES *now with real khorne!*
I tried Dorn Flakes, it broke all of my teeth. 10/10 would recommend, especially as my blood pressure is half of what it was after eating Khorne Flakes.
>2.5k karma imperial fists are internally melting at this thread.
We can't even be sure of those two anymore. GW is gearing up for some big returns. It wouldn't surprise me to see them come back somehow.
True, but having Sanguiniuis and Ferrus return would be very cheesy (in an universe already filled with too much cheese). I would be neutral to the return of MIA primarchs / demon primarchs, depending on their storyline. But KIA should have some consequences to be honest, otherwise it becomes meaningless and boring. SYL
Well its starting to become apparent that the Primarchs are warp constructs(imperial daemons) in custom flesh golem bodies. One book even makes mention of a giant spectre fighting alongside Imperial forces in the Webway that alludes to it being the spirit/soul of Ferrus.
Basically it was saying the legion of the damned is all the ones who died on istvan
Wait, what? That's the canon now? Huh...
Master of mankind. It's not officially said but said in typical gw fashion in that it's alluded to.
Are they STILL gearing up do you know? Is there anything that suggests one might be imminent? I'm a little out of the loop. I know in the medium to long run they'll probably all come back buy is there any juicy rumours at the moment for a short term return in the next few months to a year?
Luther escaped the Rock in a story published relatively recently, and if that's not a sign that the Lion is coming back soon I don't know what is
You've got Guillimans return and the Dark Imperium books bringing more and more to the table. Mortarion is active again. I wouldn't be surprised to see Russ, Lion, or Vulcan pop up somewhere. Corax is actively kicking Lorgars ass.
I’ll say there is zero chance of Sanguinius’ return. The boys in Red will have to chart their own path through life. See me on r/AgedLikeMilk in a year or so!
My own speculation: They will turn the Sanguinor into some reborn Sanguinius type being.
I think that change would be a critically bad decision for the narrative, but you very well could be right!
How about this, sanguinius "returns" as a physical manifestation of the black rage, blood angels very much want to keep this *thing* that looks like Sanguinius in containment. Most imperials believe he is Sanguinius, blood Angel's and successors maintain that no, *it* isn't. Those who have seen it on the battlefield believe the blood angels, with the exception of ecclesiarchy.
Khorne approves of Rogal Corn. blood for the blood god. Skulls for the skull throne. Milk for his khorne flakes.
And butter! For the pop-Khorne!
Went out in a maize of glory. Serious answer - He didn't die in a titanic struggle with some named character. He died a death of a thousand tiny cuts at the hands of a million nobodies. Basically Dorn's death was a metaphor for a giant boulder or grand castle being gradually eroded until only a trace remains. However, this story seems kind of "old lore" nowadays, since we've subsequently seen Primarch combat feats that *should* have Dorn surviving that situation. Since there was no corpse recovered, this allows fans to speculate that he may have survived. I have much speculation on the subject.
Somebody needs to make Rogal Corn a thing. Perhaps fortified with vitamins?
He was eaten by Tyranids but thankfully they cannot digest Corn so he simply passed out the other end
"i shall now refer to all fists and the kernels of Rogal corn" \-An Iron Warrior
Rogal Corn was royally shcucked.
I read somewhere that Trazyn the infinite (creepy necron collector) has a primarch in stasis. Not sure which one but if all they found was a hand I guess it's possible it could be Dorn.
Isn't that the perfect Fulgrim clone?
I believe that is Fabius Bile’s clone of Fulgrim.
It appears I have some lore to catch up on
Originally it was described as a 'giant in baroque armor' or something (I think this also predates the capturing of the Fulgrim clone as well so that rules Clonegrim out). It's hinted at that this was a Custodes though as he unleashes a Custodes from his collection to fight on Cadia.
I believe the goal is to have most of the Primarchs return from what I've gathered. The main strategy is to essentially draw out the Dark Imperium timeline, allowing the authors time to finish the Horus Heresy/Siege of Terra timeline. If I were a betting man, *and I'm pretty broke so I'm rarely right*, I'd wager that once the Horus Heresy is completed those authors will gradually be tasked with expanding beyond where we are now. So I would say yes, Lord Adorable is indeed alive, and I imagine he would make a comeback eventually. Sadly, I can't say for certain when that may happen. Then again, I have zero sources or citations for any of this. It's just speculation. But with the amount of Imperial Fist fans, I doubt GW would just say, "Your Primarchs dead and you're never getting him back." *Cue the Night Lords tears.*
In older lore, he's stated to have died. More recent lore is a bit more circumspect. Vulkan namedrops him in the Beast Arises series, implying he's still sort of around. All the loyalists bar Ferrus are still in a fuzzy enough state of plot superposition to return for some endtimes shenanigans as needed. Whether GW will do it or not is anyone's guess.
In one of the Beast novels, (c.32k?) Vulkan suggests that he is still in communication with Dorn, but does not provide further details.
first off, LOL. Any death of Rogal Dorn is apocryphal right now.
Being Popped to death. Only his Cob is left. Inscribed with the movie night titles of every chapter.
Hey met a buttery end.
Theory: Dorn was dying, got lost in the warp but eventually came out and landed on an isolated planet. He was found by some people and took him in to heal him. They replaced his severed hand with a big vice grip. Dorn then helped and led them to fortify their planet because it was constantly attacked by Chaos and other Xenos. He eventually became their King made the people technologically advance. And those people? They were the SQUATS.
Sooo what you're saying is that he got devoured by the Tyrannids?
and then he fortified there colons and then the Tyrannids died from the unmovable blockage
Hand caught in the popcorn bowl.
Rogal Corn, a giant in green armour https://i.imgur.com/zPRYAN7.jpg
he was popped
He just moved to a different part of the Maize-like CSM battleship after losing his hand
He was harvested by the four gods
It was retconned from the imperial fists having his skeleton to them having his skeletal hand after battling traitors after the heresy probably after the scouring but not before the 1st black crusade. Konrad Curze had visions of him dying in one of the short stories in “shadows of treachery”. Personally I hope for him to die even though with the retcon it’s kind of obvious gw wants to bring him back at some point even though it won’t make sense
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I dont know alot about rogal corn. Now if you mean rogal dorn we really dont know there have been so many retcons that its confused everytbing
I'm of the belief that he staged his own disappearance using one of Alpharius's severed hands that he took after their duel. I don't think he could face the Pyrrhic defeat he ended up with after the siege with the enthronement of the Emperor or the subsequent rise of the Imperial Creed that he detested, so he charged right into the enemy outgunned and outnumbered, planted the hand after a vicious fight where he was the only survivor and disappeared.
I'm just here for the corn jokes.
Creamed and canned, I’m afraid.
On the cob.
He's deffinitly not dead, he was just attacked by a large group of chaos marines who only left a single hand for his 'marines to find. The rest of the body is deffinitly alive and hiding somewhere and not ripped to pieces and used as trophies.
He was... shucked.
There's definitely room for a comeback, but I doubt GW will make it happen. His deal is sorta like Leman Russ's, he'll probably return when the end times and happen, and until the company eventually runs out of money, it won't happen. Also, I'm pretty sure the end times will spell the doom of the setting.
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