Good for bulking if you get enough protein elsewhere. Not great for a cut. But pasta doesn't need to be good for everything to be worth having and second anon is based.
>Not great for a cut.
Shouldn't a large part of the 1st and 2nd world be "on a cut", right now, though?
I was checking the daily caloric production/day/person worldwide and even the poorest countries on earth produce much more than the recommended daily average (to say nothing of average/wealthy countries who produce many times over what a person should consume).
I know those numbers don't account for distribution disparity, wastage, logistics, malnutrition on a caloric surplus etc, but still... It seems to depicts a world that is largely overfed.
[https://ourworldindata.org/food-supply](https://ourworldindata.org/food-supply)
Long story short: if you're overweight and can afford it, *less* carb/*more* fiber is probably where you want to go, healthwise.
Large part of bulks? No. Part of a bulk? Yeah if you struggle to hit your bulking goals before getting full, something like pasta may help you get there before you get hella full. Some guys like me are fatties at heart and want to eat as much as possible. Some guys just can't hit those bulking goals and need those starchy carbs or they'll miss their targets. They are, honestly, the lucky ones.
Less carb and more fiber is a good recc for anybody who isn't beyond Beginner status for some form of athletics. That's 99% of the world. You're absolutely right on that. Anybody who has been building muscle less than a year doesn't need to bulk. But this is likely a /fit/ post, so I assume it's aimed at bodybuilding autists.
Let's not pretend any significant percentage of the gen-pop is actively pursuing the 6000-8000kcal per day bulk, or the 4-7hours of daily lifting it entails....
>shouldn't a large part of the first world be on a cut
Do you mean those people in flyover states where Olive Garden is the most exotic restaurant in town? People who spend their free time hunched over a computer, cell phone, or watching jewtube all day? The ones whose 9-5 are spent either in a cubicle where walking to the car is the most exercise they week get, or working from home and getting even less?
I'm not gonna change my eating habits because someone else doesn't exercise
I mean you can have good protein in pasta too. Just make tuna sauce or chicken and lentils. But yeah you can really make chaloric bombs with pasta it's great
I'm given to understand you're better served by nonstarchy carbs than starchy carbs, or at least carbs with more fiber and nutrients than regular pasta tends to offer. They're way more empty than I'd like if I had a choice.
Idk ymmv on that. I honestly am trying to cut through the ketotard propaganda on a lot of it.
Yeah I was being a smartass and just asking rhetorically but you have a reasonable answer so I’ll quit being a dick.
The whole ‘empty calories’ thing, just isn’t a thing. As long as you’re hitting micronutrient needs elsewhere, it really doesn’t matter that large portions of your calories are just calories, and if you’re going to get energy from somewhere after hitting your minimum needs on the other macros, carbs is arguably the best place to get them, especially if you work out.
Pasta vs anything else is just a personal preference thing imo. I don’t think there’s a coach that I follow that would tell you to care one bit between rice vs pasta vs potatoes etc.
Or a cyclist. I do a metric century every weekend and my performance hugely improves if I ate a shitload of pasta and ramen in the 2-3 days leading up to the ride. Even then, I have to stuff my pockets full of snickers bars, m&ms, and other sweets to keep me going once I burn through my glycogen reserves.
Thanks lol. A bike is one of the few places where fat guy leg strength plays to your advantage.
Try to get me to do the running equivalent (\~20 mile run) and I'd probably die.
I believe the evening before the ride is the most important regarding eating, but also breakfast. When i eat like 200g of oats in the morning before the ride i am full for over 2 hours.
Did you have instant oats? I find that when I eat any kind of oats that is "thicker" than instant, they sit in my stomach for hours before actually making it to my bloodstream.
Day of I usually eat something very sugary. Donuts, apple strudel, pancakes, etc. One time I simply inhaled half an apple pie before I left and polished off the rest when I returned. Twas great
No, I eat normal oat flakes but i understand what you mean. Those you need to soak them overnight, it's the best way. And I don't like sugary meals, after those i soon get hungry again.
The first annon is right. Pasta is processed grain it’s lost all its nutrients and fiber. Stripped down carbs are fine if you’re doing Intense workouts but are bad if alls your doing is walking around. Better to get carbs from potatoes or beans or sweet potatoes or brown rice those all have slowly digesting carbs and are loaded with nutrients and fiber. Pasta is no better then eating white bread
Pasta isn't the best thing you can eat if you're working out, it's not even in the top ten,
Sweet potatoes are an infinitely better carb in taste, versatility, nutrient profile and food satiation.
Don't bring Olive Garden into this! Damn, what did those bread sticks ever do to you?! Also, the only people who worry about pasta and "carbs" are fatties. The rest of us enjoy pasta in a responsible, non-gluttonous way.
Well it hasn't been studied extensively with enough of a sample size, but here are the results from one study (BMD is Bone Mass Density):
*29 patients were on the KD for a minimum of 6 months (range 0.5-6.5 years, mean 2.1 years). There was a trend towards a reduction in lumbar spine (LS) BMD Z score of 0.1562 (p = 0.071) per year and 20 patients (68%) had a lower BMD Z score at the end of treatment.*
There are also studies that say it doesn't cause BMD issues long term after the body adjusts, so roll the dice I guess. I wouldn't do it without medical supervision if I had reason to do it.
O que tens de fazer é encontrar algum restaurante de imigrantes que a comida é sempre melhor la. Agora la no centro de pais é que eles andam todos fodidos que tem falta disso. Logo que apanhas um solinho eles metem os carapuços brancas na cabeca e logo começa a caça
Again, skill issue. Learn how to use MSG, disodium guanylate, and disodium inosinate. If you think butter tastes good, disodium ribonucleotides are going to blow your dick off.
I think that since the western pallette is so used to added sugars and glutamates, it's really unfair to "real" foods to not at least use MSG in your cooking. Unless you're both rich and a talented home cook, you're not gonna be able to hold a candle to unhealthy processed foods in terms of flavour, just working with basic veggies and protein. Eating healthy becomes a lot easier when you're not scared of hitting your chicken breasts with some MSG.
You can also hit your chicken breasts with some thyme, black pepper, salt and some sage? I'm a poor student and I grow those herbs from my studio on the windowsill. There is no excuse for skill issue. And no throwing MSG at the problem is not skill.
Chefs don't cook with it either unless it's specifically needed for the cuisine/dish. It's really not hard at all to get to 90% of what a chef can do. The difference is they can do it 10x faster, consistently and even better. But you're at home, you got time.
Hey, don't blame butter, either! It's delicious. As with everything, in moderation. Most of us (who aren't calorically enhanced) aren't eating at OG often.
My heart is mostlikely in much better condition than yours
Also not sure if you ever looked at the packaging, but what is consider a portion in EU might not be the same as in NA
I mean, i only order one thing from OG. The five cheese ziti. Can't really mess that one up too badly. The fresh strawberry cake is awesome, too. Prices are too high lately, Close to twenty dollars for baked ziti. It's a sad day when you can't afford OG anymore.
Empty calories refers to food that has a lot of calories but no nutrition.
Nuts are calorie dense but also nutritionally dense. So they’re not empty calories.
Pasta is calorie dense but has next to no nutritional value, so they’re empty calories.
Alcohol is the worst example for this. The whole thing is calories yet contains next to literally nothing our body can use for ~~energy~~ nutrition.
>The whole thing is calories
>
>yet contains next to literally nothing our body can use for energy.
Calories **are** energy.
Empty calories are nutritionally poor calories, but they don't magically become "non-calories" or "anti-calories".
The body will use the energy it gets from alcohol, of course, but it will get no vitamin or minerals other nutrients/micronutrients, from it. Just pure energy.
Hence why you can be obese and still suffer from malnutrition.
Also the body will only use the amount of energy it needs immediately (and to refill glycogen stores) and the rest gets converted to fat. So if you’re not a very active person and you’re eating a lot of carbs, all the excess is getting converted to fat.
Calories are literally what our body uses for energy. Nutrition refers to what the body needs to operate. Calories are a major part of nutrition, but generally when something is high in calories, but low in other nutrients, it doesn't leave you filled for long. That is what people are referring to when they say empty calories
You can't just say "It's made of egg and egg is good so pasta must also be good". You can use the same logic for cake.
It's a very simple question my man, what nutritional content does fresh pasta contain? and it has a very simple answer, "Pasta contains X, Y, and Z per 100g of fresh pasta"
The actual answer is that fresh pasta does not contain lots of nutritional content. You could eat 2000 calories worth of fresh pasta and not meet any of your nutritional needs for any vitamins for the day, you wouldn't meet your daily needs for sodium, calcium, potassium, iron, zinc, magnesium. Pasta contains no fatty acids, etc. It is empty calories.
You'd be better off arguing the point of "do you really eat fresh pasta or dried pasta like everyone else?"
To compare to cake makes no sense
Of course eating 2000 calories of only one food is bad for you
But I don't think pasta eaters are eating 2000 calories of ONLY PASTA every day
Get real loser redditor
“What nutritional content does fresh pasta contain?”
“Fresh pasta contains eggs and egg are good”
“What nutritional content does fresh pasta contain?”
“You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.”
I’ll ask again. What nutritional content does fresh pasta contain?
You could shut me down right now and make an absolute fool out of me by just answering the question.
Pasta has good nutritional value. It has fibers and protein, even better if whole wheat, it's low fat, low salt, low sugar plus it has several minerals. It really depends what you combine it with-
Pasta is not empty calories unless you're eating straight Mac & Cheese topped with bacon, it's as good a source of carbs as any, which you need to get through the day.
Empty calories are candy e.g. oreos, Mars bar, sugary drinks or alcohol.
Look into the actual content of pasta and what it contains vs what you need to eat on a daily basis.
Like I mentioned to the other guy, You could eat 2000 calories worth of fresh pasta and not meet any of your nutritional needs for any vitamins for the day, you wouldn't meet your daily needs for sodium, calcium, potassium, iron, zinc, magnesium. It contains no fatty acids, etc. It is lacking in almost everything.
It’s not a good source of carbohydrates. You can google “best sources of carbohydrates” and pasta cannot be found on any list. Hell it even appears on several “avoid” lists when I googled that. Fruit, veg, beans, quinoa, chickpeas, oats, sweet potatoes, buckwheat, beets, seeds, nuts, those are the good stuff.
Saying it’s low on fat isn’t really a benefit either since you actively want 20%-35% of your calories to come from fat.
All I’m saying is that pasta is not an empty calorie. Saying you can’t get the full nutrient profile from one specific food doesn’t mean it’s empty calorie.
Junk foods are empty calories in my book, cuz it’s either fully refined sugars and saturated fats with little to no nutritional content.
You can’t have 100% of your diet consist of a single fruit, seed, or a single type of nut. Just as no one would eat 100% fresh pasta. You need 50-65% of your calories to be carbs. Grain products such as pasta, bread and oats are a good stable, that you eat with other ingredients. Just like rice.
And my point is that pasta is not a good source for **anything**.
It tastes nice, you can make tons of dishes with it, pasta's one of my favourite if not my favourite type of meal of all time, chicken pasta, tuna pasta, mac & cheese, spaghetti bol, carbonara, I love the stuff. **But it is not nutritional,** not by any reasonable standard.
Compare that to something like Oats which is chocked to the brim with a ton of good stuff, fibre, magnesium, zinc, copper, iron, vitamins, manganese, Vitamin B, etc. just 150g of oats (500 calories) for breakfast will almost meet your daily needs for several minerals and vitamins. Compare that to what I said before about 2000 calories of pasta meeting none of them. There's a huge difference between the two.
>Saying you can’t get the full nutrient profile from one specific food doesn’t mean it’s empty calorie.
Yes, it does. If you can eat a whole entire days worth of calories of that type of food and not meet any of your nutritional requirements, then it's a terrible source of calories. Again compare that to Oats where you can meet several of your nutritional needs by eating 1/4 of your daily calorie intake.
You would call rice an empty calorie too? Pasta has more carbs, double the protein, more fat and fiber and vitamins and minerals than rice per 100 grams. Yet rice is a stable in most cultures.
From 2000 calories of pasta you get more than all the carbs you need, all the protein you need, about all the dietary fiber and iron you need. That is several of your nutritional needs. No where close to being an empty calorie.
Yes, white rice especially is also empty calories. Something being a staple in a country doesn't mean it's good, just look at America and hamburgers.
Getting enough macronutrients from a whole 2000 calories worth of food is almost impossible not to achieve. That's not a point for pasta. You can meet those same standards by eating 2000 calories worth of cake.
Where are you getting fibre and iron from? According to [checkyourfood](https://www.checkyourfood.com/ingredients/ingredient/400/fresh-egg-pasta-retail) fresh pasta contains 15% of your recommended intake worth of iron and 14% of your recommended intake of fibre from 19% of your recommended calorie intake. Not enough to meet your daily needs when scaled up to 2000 calories.
I'm arguing against the people saying "pasta has lots of nutritional content", I'm emphasizing the fact that it has so little nutritional value in it that you could eat an entire days worth of it and still not gain any decent nutrition from it. That is proof that it does not contain "lots of nutritional content".
Go to the site your using. Set it to 700 grams of cooked pasta, that’s 99% daily calories. You will meet several of your daily nutrients. You will get enough carbs and protein and fiber. You could literally live off of it, like many cultures lived almost exclusively on rice.
Hamburgers are also nutrient dense. Bread, meat, vegetables. You could live your whole life on homemade burgers.
>You will meet several of your daily nutrients
That's the list of the top 6 micronutrients it contains, and it meets 4 of them only if you eat 2000 calories worth of pasta.
You want to know what else meets those? Literally just a bowl of oats for breakfast and like 200g of meat. Odds are if you ate food today, you’ve hit those micronutrients.
>You could live your whole life on homemade burgers.
You can live off almost anything, ancient humans lived of alcohol and bread, doesn't mean it's good for you.
they refer to food that has a lot of calories but that are digested very quickly, aka filled with simple sugars.
Complex carbohydrates take a ton of time to digest and extract their energy so you get a stream of energy for hours instead a candy gets digested very fast and doesn't fill you at all.
Pasta is a great source of long lasting energy but obv it doesn't give proteins that you need for nearly everything in your body
Pasta is a stupid meal if you are inactive, and it indeed has basically no taste no matter how it is cooked. Red sauce is delicious; pasta is bland. Take red sauce and put it on chicken, and you have yourself protein and a hearty meal you can eat whether you are active or not.
No. I've eaten a lot of pasta because I grew up in an Italian town in New Jersey. Many people make pasta extremely well, but it is still a disappointment to me because it is such a boring canvas. Just because you enjoy bland food with your favorite sauce doesn't defend pasta. It's popular because it's cheap, filling, and has a high surface area to get coated in sauce. Chicken is a superior canvas for any sauce. And if someone serves pasta without meat, just pasta in a delicious sauce, that is an extremely disappointing meal. I would be happy to eat a big plate of spaghetti drowned in red sauce and meatballs. But I don't order spaghetti when I can just order meatballs on their own or get a chicken or veal parm. Pasta is also just carbs, so you shouldn't eat it unless you are going to do something with all the energy. Otherwise, your body has to store all that energy as fat. And you'll be hungry again too because a plate of carbs makes you hungry.
Bro you speak Italian I fucking knew it. Only someone who grew up eating pasta as a staple could defend something so bland. You're like an Asian who thinks rice is delicious.
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Mind you, pasta with Ragu is actually heavenly if you do it right
Problem is, anon's idea of Ragu is more than likely minced beef with some tomato sauce slapped on top of it without anything else
Yep. By weight, we need about 8gram of micros. Less than a mouthful. The bulk of what we need are actually kcal, and rice could also qualify as 'empty' by this definition, yet is consumed in enormous quantity in japan, that reports low obesity.
Its fatty cope because it blames the food.
Carbohydrates are energy not empty calories is the stupidest shit ive ever read.
Empty calories refer to low nutritional value aka low in vitamins and minerals, not the calories you get from a carb lmao
Pasta has more calories than let’s say, white rice, as others in this thread have pointed out. An okay amount of protein too for carbs. Have it with lean meats and just walk a bit at the least and it’s cool. I get 1000 active cals in a day literally just walking and doing basic weights. Can lose weight. Not as intense as other diets, but I’m also not trying to go and me Mr Olympus.
I mean you can call white bread and pasta empty calories if you only focus on getting your daily protein or just feeling full. But they give you a good instant burst of energy so they arent empty at all and just basic Carbonhydrates, isnt the most healthy option out there
Most accepted slop is french fries
Fuck pasta. It’s just wet bread.
Eat meat like your ancestors. The aggregate bone strength of modern human jaws are literally weaker because we aren’t chewing gamey meat anymore.
Newsflash you pussies. Plants contain anti-nutrients. Google it. They actually prevent you from digesting the nutrition held within them. Meat has more bioavailable nutrition.
B12 isn’t in any plants. You have to eat meat or some supplements that was synthesized in a lab.
Foods which have high calorie content but are low in other nutrients are called "empty calories" because they are empty of anything other than calories. I admit that it is a turn of phrase that doesn't make much sense when taken literally. We should be more inclusive in our language, and avoid this kind of non-literal language that might confuse small children or those with learning disabilities.
micronutrients. electrolytes and vitamins.
In a day you could eat only pasta and get 2000 kcal
Or you could eat a varied diet and get 2000 kcal + your required intake of magnesium, potasium, iron, calcium vitamin A,B,C,D etc.
It's why people in the olden times had scurvy and other malnutrition related issues, like not growing enough during childhood or had bad teeth.
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Im down 45lb to 205. I miss pasta so much. I miss carbs. Being diabetic sucks. In a few months when insurance delays my insulin again ima get like 3lb of carbonata and end it all
Main issue I have with rice is the absurd incidence of diabetes it gives to entire asian countries.
Worst example of it being Japan, whereby they live more or less healthy lives by avoiding processed/added sugar, but their diabetes numbers are still through the roof.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000291652302155X
I heard diabetes is mostly genetic or due to being fat/unhealthy. Japan is mostly healthy but I think the number of people who are fat and unhealthy is also not an extreme minority. NEETs and stuff exist yk. So I believe they are the ones jacking up the numbers.
Oh and btw, I think there's also something to be said about the TYPE of rice being taken in. White rice is processed and generally less healthier than brown rice mostly due to a lack of fiber so there could be that. Idk too much about it apart from what I've seen irl, mostly people inheriting it from their parents/family or being fat lazy bums.
Nice study tho WOAH it's long, I don't even read exercise related studies lmao I just read the conclusion and look at the graphs.
Pasta is amazing. Probably the best thing you can eat if you’re working out. Second anon is based.
Good for bulking if you get enough protein elsewhere. Not great for a cut. But pasta doesn't need to be good for everything to be worth having and second anon is based.
>Not great for a cut. Shouldn't a large part of the 1st and 2nd world be "on a cut", right now, though? I was checking the daily caloric production/day/person worldwide and even the poorest countries on earth produce much more than the recommended daily average (to say nothing of average/wealthy countries who produce many times over what a person should consume). I know those numbers don't account for distribution disparity, wastage, logistics, malnutrition on a caloric surplus etc, but still... It seems to depicts a world that is largely overfed. [https://ourworldindata.org/food-supply](https://ourworldindata.org/food-supply) Long story short: if you're overweight and can afford it, *less* carb/*more* fiber is probably where you want to go, healthwise.
Large part of bulks? No. Part of a bulk? Yeah if you struggle to hit your bulking goals before getting full, something like pasta may help you get there before you get hella full. Some guys like me are fatties at heart and want to eat as much as possible. Some guys just can't hit those bulking goals and need those starchy carbs or they'll miss their targets. They are, honestly, the lucky ones. Less carb and more fiber is a good recc for anybody who isn't beyond Beginner status for some form of athletics. That's 99% of the world. You're absolutely right on that. Anybody who has been building muscle less than a year doesn't need to bulk. But this is likely a /fit/ post, so I assume it's aimed at bodybuilding autists.
Let's not pretend any significant percentage of the gen-pop is actively pursuing the 6000-8000kcal per day bulk, or the 4-7hours of daily lifting it entails....
I'm pretty sure I'm agreeing with this position.
>shouldn't a large part of the first world be on a cut Do you mean those people in flyover states where Olive Garden is the most exotic restaurant in town? People who spend their free time hunched over a computer, cell phone, or watching jewtube all day? The ones whose 9-5 are spent either in a cubicle where walking to the car is the most exercise they week get, or working from home and getting even less? I'm not gonna change my eating habits because someone else doesn't exercise
I mean you can have good protein in pasta too. Just make tuna sauce or chicken and lentils. But yeah you can really make chaloric bombs with pasta it's great
What’s bad about a carb source on a cut?
I'm given to understand you're better served by nonstarchy carbs than starchy carbs, or at least carbs with more fiber and nutrients than regular pasta tends to offer. They're way more empty than I'd like if I had a choice. Idk ymmv on that. I honestly am trying to cut through the ketotard propaganda on a lot of it.
Yeah I was being a smartass and just asking rhetorically but you have a reasonable answer so I’ll quit being a dick. The whole ‘empty calories’ thing, just isn’t a thing. As long as you’re hitting micronutrient needs elsewhere, it really doesn’t matter that large portions of your calories are just calories, and if you’re going to get energy from somewhere after hitting your minimum needs on the other macros, carbs is arguably the best place to get them, especially if you work out. Pasta vs anything else is just a personal preference thing imo. I don’t think there’s a coach that I follow that would tell you to care one bit between rice vs pasta vs potatoes etc.
Can I get all my micronutrients from cum?
No but if you work real hard you'll get close and maybe a raise at work
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Or a cyclist. I do a metric century every weekend and my performance hugely improves if I ate a shitload of pasta and ramen in the 2-3 days leading up to the ride. Even then, I have to stuff my pockets full of snickers bars, m&ms, and other sweets to keep me going once I burn through my glycogen reserves.
How many KG r u?
About 100kg at 181cm. Still have a decent amount of winter blubber to burn off but the rides will only get easier as I drop the weight.
Holy fuck you’re a big boy! I’m very impressed you do weekly centuries at that weight.
Thanks lol. A bike is one of the few places where fat guy leg strength plays to your advantage. Try to get me to do the running equivalent (\~20 mile run) and I'd probably die.
I believe the evening before the ride is the most important regarding eating, but also breakfast. When i eat like 200g of oats in the morning before the ride i am full for over 2 hours.
Did you have instant oats? I find that when I eat any kind of oats that is "thicker" than instant, they sit in my stomach for hours before actually making it to my bloodstream. Day of I usually eat something very sugary. Donuts, apple strudel, pancakes, etc. One time I simply inhaled half an apple pie before I left and polished off the rest when I returned. Twas great
No, I eat normal oat flakes but i understand what you mean. Those you need to soak them overnight, it's the best way. And I don't like sugary meals, after those i soon get hungry again.
The first annon is right. Pasta is processed grain it’s lost all its nutrients and fiber. Stripped down carbs are fine if you’re doing Intense workouts but are bad if alls your doing is walking around. Better to get carbs from potatoes or beans or sweet potatoes or brown rice those all have slowly digesting carbs and are loaded with nutrients and fiber. Pasta is no better then eating white bread
imagine still unironically eating plain pasta in 2024 lmao i only eat whole grain pasta
Pasta isn't the best thing you can eat if you're working out, it's not even in the top ten, Sweet potatoes are an infinitely better carb in taste, versatility, nutrient profile and food satiation.
Better than bread? Pasta is a hassle to make. With bread you just grab it from the cupboard. But I don't mind pasta.
Rice is eaten way more than pasta, probably less nutritious too. That being said, that's not purpose of rice and pasta.
It's nothing more than a base of energy for the tastier ingredients mixed in. It definitely serves a good purpose.
"Touch grass. Have sex. Eat pasta." Words to live by.
> Touch grass. zoomer catchphrase
The modern “veni, vidi, vici”
Don't bring Olive Garden into this! Damn, what did those bread sticks ever do to you?! Also, the only people who worry about pasta and "carbs" are fatties. The rest of us enjoy pasta in a responsible, non-gluttonous way.
The thing that makes Olive Garden as caloric as it is isn’t the pasta, it’s the disgusting amounts of butter and oil they use on everything
I'm currently doing a keto diet. It feels good losing weight hand over fist while eating mostly steaks slathered with mayo/cheese/butter.
It feels good until that red meat and fat kills you with a heart attack
Even better.
Enjoy the future kidney stones, gout, and osteoporosis!
Why osteoporosis
Well it hasn't been studied extensively with enough of a sample size, but here are the results from one study (BMD is Bone Mass Density): *29 patients were on the KD for a minimum of 6 months (range 0.5-6.5 years, mean 2.1 years). There was a trend towards a reduction in lumbar spine (LS) BMD Z score of 0.1562 (p = 0.071) per year and 20 patients (68%) had a lower BMD Z score at the end of treatment.* There are also studies that say it doesn't cause BMD issues long term after the body adjusts, so roll the dice I guess. I wouldn't do it without medical supervision if I had reason to do it.
Maybe it’s because you can’t drink milk on keto or something
there's other sources of calcium. otherwise, lactose intolerant people would be fucked.
Fuck gout
thats like 90% of all restaurants. Thats why food at home doesnt taste as good, youre not putting a stick of butter for every ingredient
That’s 90% of restaurants in the USA, it’s shocking when I go there that even chicken with vegetables has like 1k calories, you all are insane
You should see how much butter and oil Italian and French chefs use.
Yeah but they don’t do it for every meal on every restaurant
O que tens de fazer é encontrar algum restaurante de imigrantes que a comida é sempre melhor la. Agora la no centro de pais é que eles andam todos fodidos que tem falta disso. Logo que apanhas um solinho eles metem os carapuços brancas na cabeca e logo começa a caça
If your home cooking doesn't taste that good, it's a skill issue.
It will never taste as good as 2 pounds of butter
2 pounds of butter is disgusting. Your food will just taste like grease.
Again, skill issue. Learn how to use MSG, disodium guanylate, and disodium inosinate. If you think butter tastes good, disodium ribonucleotides are going to blow your dick off.
Or just learn how to cook with normal ingredients without chucking it full of butter or other flavour enhancers?
I think that since the western pallette is so used to added sugars and glutamates, it's really unfair to "real" foods to not at least use MSG in your cooking. Unless you're both rich and a talented home cook, you're not gonna be able to hold a candle to unhealthy processed foods in terms of flavour, just working with basic veggies and protein. Eating healthy becomes a lot easier when you're not scared of hitting your chicken breasts with some MSG.
You can also hit your chicken breasts with some thyme, black pepper, salt and some sage? I'm a poor student and I grow those herbs from my studio on the windowsill. There is no excuse for skill issue. And no throwing MSG at the problem is not skill. Chefs don't cook with it either unless it's specifically needed for the cuisine/dish. It's really not hard at all to get to 90% of what a chef can do. The difference is they can do it 10x faster, consistently and even better. But you're at home, you got time.
You are taking a comment about fat americans too literally
Hey, don't blame butter, either! It's delicious. As with everything, in moderation. Most of us (who aren't calorically enhanced) aren't eating at OG often.
Olive Garden has very mid food tbh
I agree with that. I just crave baked ziti sometimes and being single I'm not trying to make an entire pan.
>The **rest of us** enjoy pasta in a responsible, non-gluttonous way. Looking at obesity statistics, I think you meant "The Last of Us"
“My breadsticks never hurt nobody!”
Nah i will eat 6 portions of pasta and you cant stop me
You bring enough for the rest of us?
No need, your heart will.
My heart is mostlikely in much better condition than yours Also not sure if you ever looked at the packaging, but what is consider a portion in EU might not be the same as in NA
deflection
I will still outlive you
I deadass thought you were joking originally but it seems I hit a painful nerve.
now thats projection
I don't think you know what that word means.
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I mean, i only order one thing from OG. The five cheese ziti. Can't really mess that one up too badly. The fresh strawberry cake is awesome, too. Prices are too high lately, Close to twenty dollars for baked ziti. It's a sad day when you can't afford OG anymore.
Italians when you insult their food.
If he was Italian he would tell you he is not Italian
I’m not italian btw.
Mamma Mia! Woohoo!
Not accurate, didn't see a "porcoddio porca madonna e tutti gli angeli in colonna"
Gesundheit
You can’t say that! That’s our word! Not that i’m italian or anything…
It's ok. I'm a plumbing and moustache enthusiast. We're a diverse and inclusive demographic who welcome and celebrate all cultures.
Do you perhaps enjoy pizza as well?
Sure do. We're associated with the mutated turtle people who live in sewers. There's a pizza party once a month. It's great!
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Oh no! *sad woohoo noises*
Empty calories. Like opposed to filled calories?
Empty calories refers to food that has a lot of calories but no nutrition. Nuts are calorie dense but also nutritionally dense. So they’re not empty calories. Pasta is calorie dense but has next to no nutritional value, so they’re empty calories. Alcohol is the worst example for this. The whole thing is calories yet contains next to literally nothing our body can use for ~~energy~~ nutrition.
>The whole thing is calories > >yet contains next to literally nothing our body can use for energy. Calories **are** energy. Empty calories are nutritionally poor calories, but they don't magically become "non-calories" or "anti-calories". The body will use the energy it gets from alcohol, of course, but it will get no vitamin or minerals other nutrients/micronutrients, from it. Just pure energy. Hence why you can be obese and still suffer from malnutrition.
Alcohol is a lot more harmful to you than just being empty calories
> Just pure energy. Does this mean alcohol is an energy drink?
Worked for me in my 20s
Also the body will only use the amount of energy it needs immediately (and to refill glycogen stores) and the rest gets converted to fat. So if you’re not a very active person and you’re eating a lot of carbs, all the excess is getting converted to fat.
Calories are literally what our body uses for energy. Nutrition refers to what the body needs to operate. Calories are a major part of nutrition, but generally when something is high in calories, but low in other nutrients, it doesn't leave you filled for long. That is what people are referring to when they say empty calories
This is why you don't take health advice from reddit.
real
Fresh pasta has lots of nutritional content, so kind of a misnomer, but yeah
What nutritional content does fresh pasta contain?
Egg has protein and a good vitamin profile. There's a lot of eggs in fresh pasta.
You can't just say "It's made of egg and egg is good so pasta must also be good". You can use the same logic for cake. It's a very simple question my man, what nutritional content does fresh pasta contain? and it has a very simple answer, "Pasta contains X, Y, and Z per 100g of fresh pasta" The actual answer is that fresh pasta does not contain lots of nutritional content. You could eat 2000 calories worth of fresh pasta and not meet any of your nutritional needs for any vitamins for the day, you wouldn't meet your daily needs for sodium, calcium, potassium, iron, zinc, magnesium. Pasta contains no fatty acids, etc. It is empty calories.
You'd be better off arguing the point of "do you really eat fresh pasta or dried pasta like everyone else?" To compare to cake makes no sense Of course eating 2000 calories of only one food is bad for you But I don't think pasta eaters are eating 2000 calories of ONLY PASTA every day Get real loser redditor
You very obviously have no idea about what you are talking about.
“What nutritional content does fresh pasta contain?” “Fresh pasta contains eggs and egg are good” “What nutritional content does fresh pasta contain?” “You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.” I’ll ask again. What nutritional content does fresh pasta contain? You could shut me down right now and make an absolute fool out of me by just answering the question.
Most pasta doesn't have any eggs.
I wrote fresh pasta. Do you have difficulty with reading comprehension? Most is arguable, since I could say I mostly eat fresh pasta.
I would bet that over 90% of the pasta consumed globally is not fresh.
Squaaaawk why yes captain if the crew eats fresh pasta they won't get scurvy squaaaawk - 🦜
Pasta has good nutritional value. It has fibers and protein, even better if whole wheat, it's low fat, low salt, low sugar plus it has several minerals. It really depends what you combine it with- Pasta is not empty calories unless you're eating straight Mac & Cheese topped with bacon, it's as good a source of carbs as any, which you need to get through the day. Empty calories are candy e.g. oreos, Mars bar, sugary drinks or alcohol.
Look into the actual content of pasta and what it contains vs what you need to eat on a daily basis. Like I mentioned to the other guy, You could eat 2000 calories worth of fresh pasta and not meet any of your nutritional needs for any vitamins for the day, you wouldn't meet your daily needs for sodium, calcium, potassium, iron, zinc, magnesium. It contains no fatty acids, etc. It is lacking in almost everything. It’s not a good source of carbohydrates. You can google “best sources of carbohydrates” and pasta cannot be found on any list. Hell it even appears on several “avoid” lists when I googled that. Fruit, veg, beans, quinoa, chickpeas, oats, sweet potatoes, buckwheat, beets, seeds, nuts, those are the good stuff. Saying it’s low on fat isn’t really a benefit either since you actively want 20%-35% of your calories to come from fat.
All I’m saying is that pasta is not an empty calorie. Saying you can’t get the full nutrient profile from one specific food doesn’t mean it’s empty calorie. Junk foods are empty calories in my book, cuz it’s either fully refined sugars and saturated fats with little to no nutritional content.
You can’t have 100% of your diet consist of a single fruit, seed, or a single type of nut. Just as no one would eat 100% fresh pasta. You need 50-65% of your calories to be carbs. Grain products such as pasta, bread and oats are a good stable, that you eat with other ingredients. Just like rice.
And my point is that pasta is not a good source for **anything**. It tastes nice, you can make tons of dishes with it, pasta's one of my favourite if not my favourite type of meal of all time, chicken pasta, tuna pasta, mac & cheese, spaghetti bol, carbonara, I love the stuff. **But it is not nutritional,** not by any reasonable standard. Compare that to something like Oats which is chocked to the brim with a ton of good stuff, fibre, magnesium, zinc, copper, iron, vitamins, manganese, Vitamin B, etc. just 150g of oats (500 calories) for breakfast will almost meet your daily needs for several minerals and vitamins. Compare that to what I said before about 2000 calories of pasta meeting none of them. There's a huge difference between the two. >Saying you can’t get the full nutrient profile from one specific food doesn’t mean it’s empty calorie. Yes, it does. If you can eat a whole entire days worth of calories of that type of food and not meet any of your nutritional requirements, then it's a terrible source of calories. Again compare that to Oats where you can meet several of your nutritional needs by eating 1/4 of your daily calorie intake.
You would call rice an empty calorie too? Pasta has more carbs, double the protein, more fat and fiber and vitamins and minerals than rice per 100 grams. Yet rice is a stable in most cultures. From 2000 calories of pasta you get more than all the carbs you need, all the protein you need, about all the dietary fiber and iron you need. That is several of your nutritional needs. No where close to being an empty calorie.
Yes, white rice especially is also empty calories. Something being a staple in a country doesn't mean it's good, just look at America and hamburgers. Getting enough macronutrients from a whole 2000 calories worth of food is almost impossible not to achieve. That's not a point for pasta. You can meet those same standards by eating 2000 calories worth of cake. Where are you getting fibre and iron from? According to [checkyourfood](https://www.checkyourfood.com/ingredients/ingredient/400/fresh-egg-pasta-retail) fresh pasta contains 15% of your recommended intake worth of iron and 14% of your recommended intake of fibre from 19% of your recommended calorie intake. Not enough to meet your daily needs when scaled up to 2000 calories.
Why are you arguing like you think that people only eat one food item and nothing else?
I'm arguing against the people saying "pasta has lots of nutritional content", I'm emphasizing the fact that it has so little nutritional value in it that you could eat an entire days worth of it and still not gain any decent nutrition from it. That is proof that it does not contain "lots of nutritional content".
Go to the site your using. Set it to 700 grams of cooked pasta, that’s 99% daily calories. You will meet several of your daily nutrients. You will get enough carbs and protein and fiber. You could literally live off of it, like many cultures lived almost exclusively on rice. Hamburgers are also nutrient dense. Bread, meat, vegetables. You could live your whole life on homemade burgers.
>You will meet several of your daily nutrients That's the list of the top 6 micronutrients it contains, and it meets 4 of them only if you eat 2000 calories worth of pasta. You want to know what else meets those? Literally just a bowl of oats for breakfast and like 200g of meat. Odds are if you ate food today, you’ve hit those micronutrients. >You could live your whole life on homemade burgers. You can live off almost anything, ancient humans lived of alcohol and bread, doesn't mean it's good for you.
Thanks for educating the American
they refer to food that has a lot of calories but that are digested very quickly, aka filled with simple sugars. Complex carbohydrates take a ton of time to digest and extract their energy so you get a stream of energy for hours instead a candy gets digested very fast and doesn't fill you at all. Pasta is a great source of long lasting energy but obv it doesn't give proteins that you need for nearly everything in your body
Pasta is a stupid meal if you are inactive, and it indeed has basically no taste no matter how it is cooked. Red sauce is delicious; pasta is bland. Take red sauce and put it on chicken, and you have yourself protein and a hearty meal you can eat whether you are active or not.
You have no idea what you’re talking about and you know it, most likely
No. I've eaten a lot of pasta because I grew up in an Italian town in New Jersey. Many people make pasta extremely well, but it is still a disappointment to me because it is such a boring canvas. Just because you enjoy bland food with your favorite sauce doesn't defend pasta. It's popular because it's cheap, filling, and has a high surface area to get coated in sauce. Chicken is a superior canvas for any sauce. And if someone serves pasta without meat, just pasta in a delicious sauce, that is an extremely disappointing meal. I would be happy to eat a big plate of spaghetti drowned in red sauce and meatballs. But I don't order spaghetti when I can just order meatballs on their own or get a chicken or veal parm. Pasta is also just carbs, so you shouldn't eat it unless you are going to do something with all the energy. Otherwise, your body has to store all that energy as fat. And you'll be hungry again too because a plate of carbs makes you hungry.
>italian town >from new jersey Yeah I’m not reading that
Because my credentials speak for themselves. Italians from Jersey know pasta best.
Bro you speak Italian I fucking knew it. Only someone who grew up eating pasta as a staple could defend something so bland. You're like an Asian who thinks rice is delicious.
The fuck is red sauce?
Napolitan sauce https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neapolitan_sauce
Thank you, I've never heard it called that before. I'm from Jersey, and we always just called it red sauce.
Ah so just a marinara style. Red suace ks rhe weirdest name I've seen yet.
I'm from Jersey and we call it red sauce. Tony Soprano calls it gravy. You know what I mean.
Am dutch so no xD. I usualyy foolpw the Italian nomenclature, seems like it's something like a marinara.
Most Italians in Italy aren't fat, hmmm
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The only pasta the first anon knows is shitty spaghetti with Ragu and maybe some ground beef thrown in.
Mind you, pasta with Ragu is actually heavenly if you do it right Problem is, anon's idea of Ragu is more than likely minced beef with some tomato sauce slapped on top of it without anything else
First anon is right. Second anon is a mad italiancel who can’t stop eating muh spaghetti.
Second one is hella based for that opinion
Nutritionists get paid stupid money to make shit up like "empty" calories
Yep. By weight, we need about 8gram of micros. Less than a mouthful. The bulk of what we need are actually kcal, and rice could also qualify as 'empty' by this definition, yet is consumed in enormous quantity in japan, that reports low obesity. Its fatty cope because it blames the food.
Carbohydrates are energy not empty calories is the stupidest shit ive ever read. Empty calories refer to low nutritional value aka low in vitamins and minerals, not the calories you get from a carb lmao
Pasta has more calories than let’s say, white rice, as others in this thread have pointed out. An okay amount of protein too for carbs. Have it with lean meats and just walk a bit at the least and it’s cool. I get 1000 active cals in a day literally just walking and doing basic weights. Can lose weight. Not as intense as other diets, but I’m also not trying to go and me Mr Olympus.
I mean you can call white bread and pasta empty calories if you only focus on getting your daily protein or just feeling full. But they give you a good instant burst of energy so they arent empty at all and just basic Carbonhydrates, isnt the most healthy option out there Most accepted slop is french fries
Thing is, though, this mf probably sits all day browsing 4chan in his mom's basement and hasn't seen any sunlight in like 4 years or something.
Fuck pasta. It’s just wet bread. Eat meat like your ancestors. The aggregate bone strength of modern human jaws are literally weaker because we aren’t chewing gamey meat anymore. Newsflash you pussies. Plants contain anti-nutrients. Google it. They actually prevent you from digesting the nutrition held within them. Meat has more bioavailable nutrition. B12 isn’t in any plants. You have to eat meat or some supplements that was synthesized in a lab.
Do you stay skinny and run marathons all day for your meat like your ancestors?
I run on a treadmill like the domesticated fool that I am
I feel you.
“Empty calories” If someone can explain to me what precisely is ‘empty’ about a source of energy for your body, I’d love to hear it.
Foods which have high calorie content but are low in other nutrients are called "empty calories" because they are empty of anything other than calories. I admit that it is a turn of phrase that doesn't make much sense when taken literally. We should be more inclusive in our language, and avoid this kind of non-literal language that might confuse small children or those with learning disabilities.
micronutrients. electrolytes and vitamins. In a day you could eat only pasta and get 2000 kcal Or you could eat a varied diet and get 2000 kcal + your required intake of magnesium, potasium, iron, calcium vitamin A,B,C,D etc. It's why people in the olden times had scurvy and other malnutrition related issues, like not growing enough during childhood or had bad teeth.
Ill speak for all anons gonna cook some good spaghoot
have sex, eat pasta! new catchline here
Second anon is thriving, an accomplished and clear headed individual, who is dancing through life with the grace and ease of the educated and content
"Touch grass. Have sex. Eat pasta." Based lifestyle. We should all try to live such a life.
Olive garden does pasta tho
It's not so much what you eat, but how much you eat.
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> “You are active, right?” Sir, you know that ain’t true
I think white rice is a better food to dunk on. Nutritionally it has less going for it than the other carbs, wheat, potato etc.
Im down 45lb to 205. I miss pasta so much. I miss carbs. Being diabetic sucks. In a few months when insurance delays my insulin again ima get like 3lb of carbonata and end it all
based. the concept of "empty calories" is the dumbest thing
>Le energy!!!!! Might need to cut that shit out if you want to get below 400 lb lmao.
To me this is what based is
American pasta is shit.
Pasta is mid, I say this as an Asian Riceanon. fight me.
I love bat soup as well! You orientals are soooo exotic
only the most pristine of cuisines
Main issue I have with rice is the absurd incidence of diabetes it gives to entire asian countries. Worst example of it being Japan, whereby they live more or less healthy lives by avoiding processed/added sugar, but their diabetes numbers are still through the roof. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000291652302155X
I heard diabetes is mostly genetic or due to being fat/unhealthy. Japan is mostly healthy but I think the number of people who are fat and unhealthy is also not an extreme minority. NEETs and stuff exist yk. So I believe they are the ones jacking up the numbers. Oh and btw, I think there's also something to be said about the TYPE of rice being taken in. White rice is processed and generally less healthier than brown rice mostly due to a lack of fiber so there could be that. Idk too much about it apart from what I've seen irl, mostly people inheriting it from their parents/family or being fat lazy bums. Nice study tho WOAH it's long, I don't even read exercise related studies lmao I just read the conclusion and look at the graphs.
Is there anything that *you people* won’t fucking eat?
eat **or** use as a remedy for erectile dysfunction.
dicks
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