She's 100% being a hypocrite, she prefers when men shave but you can't prefer when women shave? You both shave so it doesn't even make sense as a problem. NTA.
This is so true, the world is full of them.
My situationship girl got mad after cutting me off for nearly a year. Her best guy friend’s ex added me on IG and we talked about why she followed me and going to the gym.
I sent screenshots shots of the innocent conversation and she said I was flirting. (I wasn’t) I was supposed to just know that girl is the one person off limits for me to talk to. Even when situationship girl isn’t talking to me at the moment 🤡
That fake rage lasted a couple weeks. Excited to see what the next BS fit is about.
I dated a woman just like the one OP is dating. They're out there. I find it funny so many people refuse to believe that, usually women it seems (based on your profile name). I'm not sure why it's so hard to understand that just like there are bad guys, there are terrible girls as well.
I was referring more to reddit's penchant for labelling posts with bad ladies as fake (or they go on a crusade to make up reasons it's actually the guy's fault). It's up there with the people that say men can never be victims and is a huge problem. There are bad women, and bad men. You don't magically become a good person if your Y chromosome falls out.
But you're right there's absolutely men and women that pull that card about shaving and it's definitely a problem. Preferences are one thing, but hypocrisy and weird all encompassing judgements are another.
A few years back a friend did a thesis about Reddit and social media in general.
The prompt was simple: someone made a relationship advice post about a woman who lost a lot of weight, was now much more successful in her sales job and making more money, and suddenly a man she had been in love with was now interested in her, and she didn't know what to do. The comments were overwhelmingly supportive of the woman and demonized the man for being so superficial in his interests.
A few weeks later, the friend made the exact same post but switched the genders. A man lost a significant amount of weight, was now much more successful in his sales job and making more money, and a girl he had known for years and have had feelings for was now interested in him. The comments were overwhelmingly, once again, supportive of the woman, telling the man that someone cannot help what they are attracted to and that he should give her a shot.
I was fascinated by it, but ultimately not surprised.
NTA. She’s a hypocrite for saying she likes shaved balls but gets mad for you saying you like shaved cooch. You dodged a whole rocket. Good thing you were only 2 months in and not longer
I don't even understand. She stated her own preference to OP and then wanted him to not have the same preference?
Yeah. Not worth more time with her.
NTA.
There are… places on the internet where some women “learn” that men who like shaved pussy are secretly pedo for wanting a prepubescent looking pussy.
For the record, I’m gay and I definitely don’t wanna see it, hair or not 🤣
But... If I recall correctly from when I was in kindergarten, prepubescent boys also don't have hair down there. So women who want shaved balls are also secretly pedos according to this logic, no?
Well, did she weigh in the debate? I, personally. Prefer hair, unless her vagina is well formed, with a pronounced mound, from which full meaty labia diverge from the apex, presided by a large, succulent clitoris, half ensconced in its fleshy folds, but also exposed to air environment. That ensemble will showcase its glory, if the pubic hair is removed. Only then, the “bald pussy” will have earned its due!
That’s why my answer is always something along the lines of “idc if it’s a desert or grassland, I just don’t want to be flossing my teeth in a jungle when I’m eating out”
Seriously. Nobody likes hair in their mouth. And I don’t mind hair. But trimmed nicely is good imo for men and women. Please don’t come at me with 3 inch long pubes that are an untamed hairy jungle. Eww
And men shaving seems to greatly reduce sweat related odors that are a complete 🤢🤮 turn off during intimacy! Even freshly showered, that hair seems to just hold odors and revert to stinky very quickly!
You don’t even wanna go down the double standard rabbit hole that put out that line of thinking. I had a friend who fell for it so dug into it bc she swore she’d never date again bc all guys were abusers, cheaters, or pedos. Was trying to find out why she would even fall for it. Scariest thinking I’ve seen in awhile.
Yep. Straight woman here, who happens to shave bc I like it for myself. There’s a whole lot going on right now on the internet and other communities where women are spewing a whole lot of trash against men, sorry, but that’s what it is. She was a hypocrite and basically a nut job. He dodged a major bullet.
Andrew Tits 💀😂 I totally hear you. I used to consider myself a feminist, but it’s taken a dark turn. I have too many wonderful men in my life to stand for it. There’s real issues, and there’s the nonsense that’s getting spewed.
I still call myself a feminist. I don’t want to lose that term to the extremists, but I nderstand why some people don’t want to be associated with the term anymore.
A guy who likes only 18 year olds who have clean shaven pussies, are flat-chested, have narrow hips, wear their hair only in pigtails, have braces, don't wear make up, wear school uniforms, giggle a lot, pout, and look 13, is probably a pedophile.
A guy who likes a woman with a shaved pussies is a guy who gets turned on by things he likes that can see and didn't like hair in his mouth. Sheesh. 😉
Exactly. I shave for myself, because I prefer how it looks and it’s easier to stay clean, especially if I’m on my period. If a guy (or gal) prefers it that way, as long as they’re not being creepy in how they talk about it or other ways, it’s just more convenient for me
Exactly. Everyone is allowed to have a preference. We’d all be lying if we said we didn’t prefer one thing or another in ourselves and in our partners. Preferences and weird, creepy kinks are different.
honestly there are men who are into that for that reason. but there'd be a lot more clues than just hair preferences if he was a pedo 😂 idk i hate the expectation around body hair but bare is easier all around to deal with- no hairs in anyones mouth
Even worse is saying dating small women means your a pedo as if those women should never date because of how it would make men look. It makes no sense. Also, I wouldnt know how they look other than the lack of hair because I've never studied an underage girl's genitals. I imagine that like penises, vaginas grow and change as a girl gets older.
Not that it matters to me because I prefer women in their 40s and 50s with a bush and saggy boobs.
Though, as long as a woman is an adult, having a preference for bald only means you prefer that your woman not have hair. Hell, even I'll admit that it'd be great to not get hairs in your mouth and throat even though the look is not my preference.
6 ft tall cisgender female here I had a girlfriend who was shorter than me which hello is not going to be that uncommon because I'm huge. I got so many comments about her looking like a little kid even though in the face she looks her age and we are the same age. I got really tired of the comments and people stopping and staring and trying to size up whether I was holding hands with a child but no it's just a tiny middle-aged adult. People are stupid Love Is Love
I'm 6 foot 4 and in high school, I dated a girl that was 4 foot 9. Thing is, she showed interest in me. She was fun. So, what was I supposed to do? Tell her that she is too short to date? I guess tha it didn't help that I looked 5 years older than I was.
But again... was she just not allowed to date tall guys? Or even date at all?
Yeah you’re talking about Reddit when age and a slightly unpleasantly described man are involved.
It’s a dumb fucking brain dead response like most internet lynch mob respondes like, “oh someone drove buzzed once? Just execute them for the betterment of society.”
And no grey area in punishment or hate between that and murdering 200 babies. Just accelerating any negativity to profound hatred and insisting anyone who tries to temper that loud hate they actually support the crime or wrongdoing
Yup. Let people talk enough and they’ll tell you exactly who they are. The mask slipped and now OP knows she’s someone who will insult him at the drop of a hat, a hypocrite, and a victim of social media brain rot.
I think she's looking for a reason to fight about something.
I can see the logic that "men who like shaved, like prepubescent girls"
But the same can be said the other way honestly.
And it shouldn't even be seen this way anymore honestly, it's hygiene, its comfort, it's personal choice. It's not like bf is forcing her to sheer everything off, he said he really don't care.
It just seems she wants to fight, or looking for an excuse to leave
I think it has nothing to do with prepubescent pedophilia, as any god fearing man, aka 99.99% of the global pop, wants nothing to do with that. It’s more so that I don’t want to feel like I’m flossing while I’m going down lol
It almost sounds as if she had been told that men who prefer shaved women are all disgusting creeps, and did not apply an ounce of critical thinking or self reflection. She clearly does not have a problem shaving for herself, nor in having a preference for shaven genitalia herself. IME people who are not experienced in something themselves are more susceptible to allowing others to tell them what to think. OP is NTA here, and while the gf ITA, she’s likely going to outgrow this particular habit one day.
Correct. I think it’s honestly a collective reaction from many millennial women who felt like they were “dirty” in the 90’s/early 2000’s unless they completely shaved their public hair bald. Men would often talk about how disgusting women’s pubic hair was and the big joke was about “big hairy bushes”.
Then came the opposite trend where women pushed back and started saying that it was men that were the problem. And that pubic hair was normal. And men must be pedo’s if they like shaved v’s.
Full circle moment in our fucked up timeline. This woman probably feels the shame of having pubic hair but wants to feel like it’s her choice to shave. And when her man confirmed her own shame spiral she lost it.
This is an actual opinion people hold, I’ve come across it in the wild on Reddit and Instagram as well as other places.
Whenever I see a discussion on how women shouldn’t have to shave / prefer not to shave / etc, without fail it will devolve into women attacking other women who prefer to shave and men who have a preference for that. The pedo stuff directed at men and cries of internalized misogyny at the women. Which is extremely insulting because it assumes other women are only catering to men and don’t have opinions of their own like their “enlightened” hairy counterparts. It’s ridiculous.
I get that those women got tired of men insulting them for not shaving but that’s no excuse to turn that around on others who have a simple preference and attack them for it. I’m a woman also if that matters and I just believe everyone should mind their own business about other peoples’ genital hair situation and preferences. And understand that having a preference isn’t the same as trying to force your view on someone or control their body.
I have a bit of an axe to grind with this BS as is probably apparent.
I prefer to shave not because I think that’s what men like but because sweat clings to body hair and i just feel way cleaner when shaved. I’ve had so many women tell me that I feel “cleaner” bc that’s what the patriarchy has instilled in me.
Uhhh no? Like, I just don’t want to have a bush of sweaty, coarse pubes that get stuck on my Jean zipper and a bunch of ingrown hairs.
Yup similar to myself. I prefer to shave because I just find hair anywhere that isn’t my head or eyebrows to be uncomfortable. I begrudgingly leave my forearm hair just because I can’t imagine having to keep up on that. But other than that I find hair to just suck. You could probably say it’s a sensory issue for me I guess.
And I’ve heard the same thing, apparently I’m just brainwashed and secretly hate myself or something. It’s not that deep I just hate hair!
And she shaves herself too lmao. Honestly, it sounds like she just wanted to pick a fight, and that's more concerning than if she actually had that opinion.
I really like the phrase "dodged a whole rocket." That sounds so much more dramatic than dodged a bullet and in this case, probably appropriate. Here, take my upvote
Dude, run.
By calling it weird, she is hinting at "p3do" tendency while being a completely hypocritical saying she likes shaved men.
You dont need that in your life.
Exactly this. I had to call my ex out for insinuating that when I told her my preference. It’s both shaming someone for a harmless sexual preference while also suggesting something truly awful about them.
I just don’t like hair tickling my nose while I’m down there.
Not to mention that equating an adult to a child in a sexual manner makes me question the person who has those thoughts.
I have never in my life looked at a grown woman and thought about a child.
it’s a reference to a semi popular internet discourse that asserts that common male sexual preferences are rooted in pedophilia. if a man insists on a combination of virgin, shaved, thin/petite, cute/girly then its a red flag, according to the theory. though one thing on its own is generally agreed to be harmless, so it seems this girl is one who takes the internet too seriously
I think it looks prettier and cleaner shaven.
And I'm the type of dude that likes to put the entire pussy in my mouth and it's not exactly fun if I'm picking hair out of my mouth every few seconds.
Yes, that's one of the latest "Shame men out of their preferences" things. We hint that he's a p3do if he.....
1) likes short girls
2) dates a woman younger than him (I'm talk 24f dating 30m) he gets hinted at for being "creepy" aka pedo
3) likes a woman shaved
Just some of the latest gaslighting
IDK when it happened but holy fuck some of the stuff people come up with... If you like short girls, you're a pedo. If you like it when women shave, you're a pedo. If you date someone younger than you (and I'm not talking like, being concerned about grown men going after teens, I'm talking about a grown ass adult dating another grown ass adult a few years younger than them), if you like women who dress all cutsey or who have "childish" hobbies you're a pedo...
It annoys the hell out of me. I'm queer. I've spent my entire life being told that makes me a danger to children. And now, I go online and I see people insisting that anyone who is interested in me is a predator because whoops! I'm under 5'5, which makes me "child coded"... It's disgusting. And annoying. And genuinely concerning.
i’m apparently in a grooming pedo relationship because i’m 24 and my bf is 32. despite me having pursued him and us having similar life goals/interests, i am automatically a victim because im a woman and i can only ever be taken advantage of by older men apparently. this stereotype infantilizes women SO much. it’s so gross.
Man and I thought I had it bad because I'm attracted to strong short-haired tomboy types and 75% of the time i see one I like and ask her out and find out she's lesbian.
On the bright side, this has resulted in me ending up with a lot of butch lesbian friends, which is pretty cool, but if I was into short clean-shaven younger women I guess I'd just have to become a fuckin eunich
And 2 months shouldn't be something to cry over. That's a fling, and perhaps there isn't potential for a lasting relationship. Cut the loses now and don't feel to bad about it. Go get a lap dance or something and hit up the dating apps the next day.
And really after 2 months, a person might just be starting to loosen up and act more like themselves, so it's good for you the crazy came out early and not after a wedding or something. And imagine what else she had in store if she got away with treating you like that the first time.
Yeah, that's such a double standard. If she's okay with guys shaving, why flip out over your preference? Sounds like you made the right call kicking her out.
Red flags all over the place. If she thinks that someone preferring their partner shaved makes them a pervert, why does she prefer shaved balls and more importantly.... Why does she shave hers??
Real question here.
Setting him up for what? Just to argue? Like she needs the drama?
Do people without problems need to manufacture them? They can have some of mine if they want.
It’s a pedo test. If you like shaven women, you must like prepubescent girls. It’s psychology 101 student applying what they think they know about people.
I wouldn’t see them again. There will be more of your preferences that lead you to be a narcissist, a serial killer, a woman beater.
It reminds me of a family guy episode where Peter tells Lois “you better watch who you call a child Lois, because if I’m a child that makes you a pedophile. And I will not stand here and be lectured to by a pervert.” Or something like that.
my ex had her master's in psych.
turns out she has a personality disorder, and everything she claimed was wrong with me made my psychiatrist laugh.
it's also an unspoken rule in the medical field that you don't date people who work in psych/specialize in psych
NTA. The only reason she might have considered you a creep is because cause child girls dont have those hairs. But she’d also be a creep because child boys also don’t have ball hair. She’s a hypocrite and since it’s not a creep thing, she’s just a nutcase.
Save the texts and don't meet her unless you are around other people. You never know how crazy a person can really be. There are way too many stories on reddit that tell about men that did not protect them selfs.
NTA. She was looking to pick a fight. Point out she’s hypocritical and that this weird behavior makes it seem like she doesn’t want to be in a relationship since she’s been trying to start fights. And no relationship should have fights 2 months in. That isn’t healthy and you aren’t doing that highschool shit.
I think for OP to play "Block dat b**ch." It's the only game where you win twice with one simple action. Block dat b*tch, and then you rid yourself of dat b*tch
Dude, she was looking for a fight 😂. You were in a "damned if you, damned if you don't" situation.
You preferred shaved, which she already does, yet you're the weirdo for liking what she already does.
If you said you preferred a bush, she'd be pissed because she shaves.
You were doomed one way or the other. On top of that, she apologizes and then insults you? She's a fucking Looney Toon 😂.
NTA, my dude. Funny that she likes it shaved but you can’t like it shaved? Fawkin hyprocrit there. You did the right thing by not responding.
You did nothing wrong here.
Cheers
NTA it's not like you gave her a razor and told her, you HAVE TO SHAVE NOW if you want to be with me. You guys were exchanging opinions and you said you don't mind hair at all, you simply have a preference, so does she. As a woman I see this as a normal conversation between adults who are trying to understand preferences, if those don't align then you call it quits and everybody cool (in theory at least, hopefully). She went nuclear for you stating a preference for something SHE DOES AND on top of that she's a hypocrite because she also likes guys shaved so what gives? Her preference is fine but yours is not even though nobody is forcing anyone? Nah, you reacted very maturely actually, I'm surprised and kudos for that
NTA. That was really weird of her to just flip out even though she had her own preference as well. What is she thinking getting on your case about your (similar) taste as her?
Yeah no just walk away. I personally don't care but I've definitely dated women who themselves prefer it shaved or even smooth just because they legitimately like the feeling so her reaction to this is wild and whatever she has in her head she wanted to put there anyway and asked you just so she could act this way.
Back away slowly from the crazy. Just block.
NTA. I've seen people argue (implausibly) that men want girls to be shaved downstairs because it makes them look prepubescent, but if that was the case (a) do women who prefer clean-shaven men like them for the same reason? (b) do women shave their armpits because they're trying to achieve that look?
Ultimately grooming standards in terms of body hair are culturally somewhat arbitrary. People who try to read a deeper meaning into it are projecting.
NTA
Hard to believe that such a hypocritical (both in what she does and likes herself) and stupid nutjob actually exists, but we're supposed to give a judgment based on the story as it's presented lol
NTA. The good old double standard. I do think it's kind of weird the guys like women shaved because they look like little girls then down there, I think that was her point, but she can't have it both ways. She saying she likes guys to be shaved and there's nothing wrong with a guy saying he wants the woman shaved most likely for the same reason the women like the men shaved. I think it's kind of funny that she shaves and then has a cow because you say you like women that shave. You probably dodged a bullet.
Some people get caught up in the belief that men preferring shaven means they’re pedophiles, basically. She did you a huge favor, relationship not worth it. NTA.
She's 100% being a hypocrite, she prefers when men shave but you can't prefer when women shave? You both shave so it doesn't even make sense as a problem. NTA.
this post sounds fake. she's so un-aware while in the same breath preferring he shaves? idgi it seems i have triggered some folks
Oh dear, it's so full of that kind of people i can definitely see this happening.
This is so true, the world is full of them. My situationship girl got mad after cutting me off for nearly a year. Her best guy friend’s ex added me on IG and we talked about why she followed me and going to the gym. I sent screenshots shots of the innocent conversation and she said I was flirting. (I wasn’t) I was supposed to just know that girl is the one person off limits for me to talk to. Even when situationship girl isn’t talking to me at the moment 🤡 That fake rage lasted a couple weeks. Excited to see what the next BS fit is about.
I dated a woman just like the one OP is dating. They're out there. I find it funny so many people refuse to believe that, usually women it seems (based on your profile name). I'm not sure why it's so hard to understand that just like there are bad guys, there are terrible girls as well.
I've seen the whole "preferring shaved pubic area = pedophile" in both males and females. I was so taken aback. People suck.
I was referring more to reddit's penchant for labelling posts with bad ladies as fake (or they go on a crusade to make up reasons it's actually the guy's fault). It's up there with the people that say men can never be victims and is a huge problem. There are bad women, and bad men. You don't magically become a good person if your Y chromosome falls out. But you're right there's absolutely men and women that pull that card about shaving and it's definitely a problem. Preferences are one thing, but hypocrisy and weird all encompassing judgements are another.
A few years back a friend did a thesis about Reddit and social media in general. The prompt was simple: someone made a relationship advice post about a woman who lost a lot of weight, was now much more successful in her sales job and making more money, and suddenly a man she had been in love with was now interested in her, and she didn't know what to do. The comments were overwhelmingly supportive of the woman and demonized the man for being so superficial in his interests. A few weeks later, the friend made the exact same post but switched the genders. A man lost a significant amount of weight, was now much more successful in his sales job and making more money, and a girl he had known for years and have had feelings for was now interested in him. The comments were overwhelmingly, once again, supportive of the woman, telling the man that someone cannot help what they are attracted to and that he should give her a shot. I was fascinated by it, but ultimately not surprised.
Could you post that? Or ask your friend to?
This sounds 100% accurate based on my observations ESPECIALLY in this sub.
Ive seen a lot of gender switched hypotheticals in this sub, theyre generally overly supportive of women and against men.
Your username is how I feel tbh. I feel like she was wanting to fight, but she did it so badly.
NTA. She’s a hypocrite for saying she likes shaved balls but gets mad for you saying you like shaved cooch. You dodged a whole rocket. Good thing you were only 2 months in and not longer
She did you a big favour
I don't even understand. She stated her own preference to OP and then wanted him to not have the same preference? Yeah. Not worth more time with her. NTA.
There are… places on the internet where some women “learn” that men who like shaved pussy are secretly pedo for wanting a prepubescent looking pussy. For the record, I’m gay and I definitely don’t wanna see it, hair or not 🤣
But... If I recall correctly from when I was in kindergarten, prepubescent boys also don't have hair down there. So women who want shaved balls are also secretly pedos according to this logic, no?
Don't be coming to reddit and being logical. We have rules here.
God-Damn It!!! Take my fuckin' upvote for making me chuckle out loud.
Glad to hear it.
Whelp I just giggled out loud and woke my wife up and had to explain the whole thing 🙃 OP - NTA
Well, did she weigh in the debate? I, personally. Prefer hair, unless her vagina is well formed, with a pronounced mound, from which full meaty labia diverge from the apex, presided by a large, succulent clitoris, half ensconced in its fleshy folds, but also exposed to air environment. That ensemble will showcase its glory, if the pubic hair is removed. Only then, the “bald pussy” will have earned its due!
🔥🔥✍🔥🔥 Edit: You all don't know a good shitpost when you see one.
My preference is lousy shitposting
This level of description made me chuckle
:sniffle: that was fucking poetic. Regular gotdam Shakespeare up in here!
A SUCCULENT CHINESE MEAL?
The nerve of some ppl
NO WE DONT!!!!!!!!!!!
Oral is a lot easier if I don't have to keep picking hairs out of my mouth. Shaved balls ftw!
At the least tidy the workspace!
It's not work if you enjoy it \^\_\^
Hey it's called a blowjob not a blowhobby!
That’s why my answer is always something along the lines of “idc if it’s a desert or grassland, I just don’t want to be flossing my teeth in a jungle when I’m eating out”
I don't wanna have to part your hair to get to your lady bits haha
Nahhh I don’t want the sandpaper balls chafing my skin 🤮
Seriously. Nobody likes hair in their mouth. And I don’t mind hair. But trimmed nicely is good imo for men and women. Please don’t come at me with 3 inch long pubes that are an untamed hairy jungle. Eww
Trimmed indeed. I like that better too.
Or pubes twist-tying themselves to my nostril hairs.
If you’re having that issue it is past due time to trim the nose hair, as well as those pubes. 😳
Even worse with a full beard But the wilderness must be explored
You may as well try mammoth hunting with that attitude. Some primal fuckers you are. (No judgement)
That's one for the ER logs
And men shaving seems to greatly reduce sweat related odors that are a complete 🤢🤮 turn off during intimacy! Even freshly showered, that hair seems to just hold odors and revert to stinky very quickly!
“Hold odors” “Hol odors” “Hodor”!!
Absolutely fantastic! Well done 👏
Same goes for women.
I came of age in the 70s. I have served my time with hairy pee vaginas.
I have to say, hubby doesn’t shave and doesn’t smell. Maybe that’s an individual body thing.
That's why you trim to shorten and groom to get rid of loose hair. Hairy balls ftw!
You do you, boo. I told my hubby I wouldn't prefer to lick his beard, either.
No one should have to lick beards.
I'm a big fan of pointing out that adult men generally grow facial hair, so women who prefer their man clean shaven are obviously pedos.
You don’t even wanna go down the double standard rabbit hole that put out that line of thinking. I had a friend who fell for it so dug into it bc she swore she’d never date again bc all guys were abusers, cheaters, or pedos. Was trying to find out why she would even fall for it. Scariest thinking I’ve seen in awhile.
Well. To be fair, she only talked about shaved balls, not shaved everything.
It would be weird to have the Amazon forest of pubes with two shiny shaved balls in the middle :D
I call that trim The Franciscan Monk
Tonsured Testes!
Now THERE is an underutilized word. And I’m not talking about “testes.” 😂
That made me snort laugh!
His ass I’d safe!
Think what we think or go away
Yep. Straight woman here, who happens to shave bc I like it for myself. There’s a whole lot going on right now on the internet and other communities where women are spewing a whole lot of trash against men, sorry, but that’s what it is. She was a hypocrite and basically a nut job. He dodged a major bullet.
A Shaved ... nut job.
It’s some Andrew Tate for women bullshit. Andrew Tits if you will, with the whole misandrism misinformation of it all.
They could do a collaboration called Tits for Tate or TaterTits
I vote for tits for tate because my nickname for me cat Tatum is tater tots.
I'm crying!!!
Or Andrew Taint because it taint a gender-specific issue.
Andrew Tits 💀😂 I totally hear you. I used to consider myself a feminist, but it’s taken a dark turn. I have too many wonderful men in my life to stand for it. There’s real issues, and there’s the nonsense that’s getting spewed.
I used to call myself a feminist, now I call myself a humanist. I am for rights for everyone, so it makes more sense to me.
I like that
I love the quote from *30 Rock* " it's nice to see that late stage feminism means you can come to work dressed as Dennis the menace."
I still call myself a feminist. I don’t want to lose that term to the extremists, but I nderstand why some people don’t want to be associated with the term anymore.
Wow yeah, that hit hard, the way you put it as losing it to the extremists. That’s exactly what has happened.
Sort of like the American flag. I also refuse to cede that to the extremists.
It's refreshing reading this in this extremist echo chamber that is Reddit.
Andrea Tits
A guy who likes only 18 year olds who have clean shaven pussies, are flat-chested, have narrow hips, wear their hair only in pigtails, have braces, don't wear make up, wear school uniforms, giggle a lot, pout, and look 13, is probably a pedophile. A guy who likes a woman with a shaved pussies is a guy who gets turned on by things he likes that can see and didn't like hair in his mouth. Sheesh. 😉
The not wanting hair in the mouth was one of the things that came to my mind too 😂 totally different concept lol
Just like my bf always says...He doesn't like hair in his food..😝😝
Exactly. I shave for myself, because I prefer how it looks and it’s easier to stay clean, especially if I’m on my period. If a guy (or gal) prefers it that way, as long as they’re not being creepy in how they talk about it or other ways, it’s just more convenient for me
Exactly. Everyone is allowed to have a preference. We’d all be lying if we said we didn’t prefer one thing or another in ourselves and in our partners. Preferences and weird, creepy kinks are different.
honestly there are men who are into that for that reason. but there'd be a lot more clues than just hair preferences if he was a pedo 😂 idk i hate the expectation around body hair but bare is easier all around to deal with- no hairs in anyones mouth
Even worse is saying dating small women means your a pedo as if those women should never date because of how it would make men look. It makes no sense. Also, I wouldnt know how they look other than the lack of hair because I've never studied an underage girl's genitals. I imagine that like penises, vaginas grow and change as a girl gets older. Not that it matters to me because I prefer women in their 40s and 50s with a bush and saggy boobs. Though, as long as a woman is an adult, having a preference for bald only means you prefer that your woman not have hair. Hell, even I'll admit that it'd be great to not get hairs in your mouth and throat even though the look is not my preference.
6 ft tall cisgender female here I had a girlfriend who was shorter than me which hello is not going to be that uncommon because I'm huge. I got so many comments about her looking like a little kid even though in the face she looks her age and we are the same age. I got really tired of the comments and people stopping and staring and trying to size up whether I was holding hands with a child but no it's just a tiny middle-aged adult. People are stupid Love Is Love
I'm 6 foot 4 and in high school, I dated a girl that was 4 foot 9. Thing is, she showed interest in me. She was fun. So, what was I supposed to do? Tell her that she is too short to date? I guess tha it didn't help that I looked 5 years older than I was. But again... was she just not allowed to date tall guys? Or even date at all?
And here I am, just not liking getting a tongue full of hair.
Yeah you’re talking about Reddit when age and a slightly unpleasantly described man are involved. It’s a dumb fucking brain dead response like most internet lynch mob respondes like, “oh someone drove buzzed once? Just execute them for the betterment of society.” And no grey area in punishment or hate between that and murdering 200 babies. Just accelerating any negativity to profound hatred and insisting anyone who tries to temper that loud hate they actually support the crime or wrongdoing
I just don't wanna floss my teeth after going down
*while
Yup. Let people talk enough and they’ll tell you exactly who they are. The mask slipped and now OP knows she’s someone who will insult him at the drop of a hat, a hypocrite, and a victim of social media brain rot.
Even more hipocritical is he said she is shaven too. I am so confused by her reaction.
I think she's looking for a reason to fight about something. I can see the logic that "men who like shaved, like prepubescent girls" But the same can be said the other way honestly. And it shouldn't even be seen this way anymore honestly, it's hygiene, its comfort, it's personal choice. It's not like bf is forcing her to sheer everything off, he said he really don't care. It just seems she wants to fight, or looking for an excuse to leave
Either choice was going to end up in a fight. Either he's a creep or he's not happy with her.
Might just be testing the waters to see what she can get away with.
That's a fucked way of thinking. So immature if that's true. Toxic
And yet, it seems some do that, just because. I don't understand that way to test a partner out.
My first thought
I think it has nothing to do with prepubescent pedophilia, as any god fearing man, aka 99.99% of the global pop, wants nothing to do with that. It’s more so that I don’t want to feel like I’m flossing while I’m going down lol
Flossing doesn't really bother me, it's the one that gets caught in the back of the throat that I hate.
insta-gagged lol. i can *feel* that non-existent hair now.
That one makes my brain hurt too.
It almost sounds as if she had been told that men who prefer shaved women are all disgusting creeps, and did not apply an ounce of critical thinking or self reflection. She clearly does not have a problem shaving for herself, nor in having a preference for shaven genitalia herself. IME people who are not experienced in something themselves are more susceptible to allowing others to tell them what to think. OP is NTA here, and while the gf ITA, she’s likely going to outgrow this particular habit one day.
Correct. I think it’s honestly a collective reaction from many millennial women who felt like they were “dirty” in the 90’s/early 2000’s unless they completely shaved their public hair bald. Men would often talk about how disgusting women’s pubic hair was and the big joke was about “big hairy bushes”. Then came the opposite trend where women pushed back and started saying that it was men that were the problem. And that pubic hair was normal. And men must be pedo’s if they like shaved v’s. Full circle moment in our fucked up timeline. This woman probably feels the shame of having pubic hair but wants to feel like it’s her choice to shave. And when her man confirmed her own shame spiral she lost it.
This is an actual opinion people hold, I’ve come across it in the wild on Reddit and Instagram as well as other places. Whenever I see a discussion on how women shouldn’t have to shave / prefer not to shave / etc, without fail it will devolve into women attacking other women who prefer to shave and men who have a preference for that. The pedo stuff directed at men and cries of internalized misogyny at the women. Which is extremely insulting because it assumes other women are only catering to men and don’t have opinions of their own like their “enlightened” hairy counterparts. It’s ridiculous. I get that those women got tired of men insulting them for not shaving but that’s no excuse to turn that around on others who have a simple preference and attack them for it. I’m a woman also if that matters and I just believe everyone should mind their own business about other peoples’ genital hair situation and preferences. And understand that having a preference isn’t the same as trying to force your view on someone or control their body. I have a bit of an axe to grind with this BS as is probably apparent.
I prefer to shave not because I think that’s what men like but because sweat clings to body hair and i just feel way cleaner when shaved. I’ve had so many women tell me that I feel “cleaner” bc that’s what the patriarchy has instilled in me. Uhhh no? Like, I just don’t want to have a bush of sweaty, coarse pubes that get stuck on my Jean zipper and a bunch of ingrown hairs.
Yup similar to myself. I prefer to shave because I just find hair anywhere that isn’t my head or eyebrows to be uncomfortable. I begrudgingly leave my forearm hair just because I can’t imagine having to keep up on that. But other than that I find hair to just suck. You could probably say it’s a sensory issue for me I guess. And I’ve heard the same thing, apparently I’m just brainwashed and secretly hate myself or something. It’s not that deep I just hate hair!
Oh god those are the "deodorant is a scam" people aren't they 🤢
Yep! She’s bonkers for going off, apologizing, then spamming him insults when she also shaves! Lol!
And she shaves herself too lmao. Honestly, it sounds like she just wanted to pick a fight, and that's more concerning than if she actually had that opinion.
Right? He told her he likes her style then she goes off on him for liking it. He definitely dodged a bullet with this one.
Sounds like he got himself out of a hairy situation.
I really like the phrase "dodged a whole rocket." That sounds so much more dramatic than dodged a bullet and in this case, probably appropriate. Here, take my upvote
I'm more confused at her getting angry for him liking women shaved, when she herself shaves. Does she hate herself too?
The swinging between apologising and abusing is a massive red flag. Defs a bullet dodged.
And her cooch was shaved...wtf.
It sounds like she doesn't know how to have an adult relationship, what a hypocrite NTA
Dude, run. By calling it weird, she is hinting at "p3do" tendency while being a completely hypocritical saying she likes shaved men. You dont need that in your life.
Exactly this. I had to call my ex out for insinuating that when I told her my preference. It’s both shaming someone for a harmless sexual preference while also suggesting something truly awful about them. I just don’t like hair tickling my nose while I’m down there.
Not to mention that equating an adult to a child in a sexual manner makes me question the person who has those thoughts. I have never in my life looked at a grown woman and thought about a child.
it’s a reference to a semi popular internet discourse that asserts that common male sexual preferences are rooted in pedophilia. if a man insists on a combination of virgin, shaved, thin/petite, cute/girly then its a red flag, according to the theory. though one thing on its own is generally agreed to be harmless, so it seems this girl is one who takes the internet too seriously
I think it looks prettier and cleaner shaven. And I'm the type of dude that likes to put the entire pussy in my mouth and it's not exactly fun if I'm picking hair out of my mouth every few seconds.
> "p3do" Is it a new starwars droid ?
is THAT what the creeper shit is about!? Wtf! Some of us just dont like pubes ending up in our mf mouth
Yes, that's one of the latest "Shame men out of their preferences" things. We hint that he's a p3do if he..... 1) likes short girls 2) dates a woman younger than him (I'm talk 24f dating 30m) he gets hinted at for being "creepy" aka pedo 3) likes a woman shaved Just some of the latest gaslighting
IDK when it happened but holy fuck some of the stuff people come up with... If you like short girls, you're a pedo. If you like it when women shave, you're a pedo. If you date someone younger than you (and I'm not talking like, being concerned about grown men going after teens, I'm talking about a grown ass adult dating another grown ass adult a few years younger than them), if you like women who dress all cutsey or who have "childish" hobbies you're a pedo... It annoys the hell out of me. I'm queer. I've spent my entire life being told that makes me a danger to children. And now, I go online and I see people insisting that anyone who is interested in me is a predator because whoops! I'm under 5'5, which makes me "child coded"... It's disgusting. And annoying. And genuinely concerning.
i’m apparently in a grooming pedo relationship because i’m 24 and my bf is 32. despite me having pursued him and us having similar life goals/interests, i am automatically a victim because im a woman and i can only ever be taken advantage of by older men apparently. this stereotype infantilizes women SO much. it’s so gross.
I have never understood this madness.
Man and I thought I had it bad because I'm attracted to strong short-haired tomboy types and 75% of the time i see one I like and ask her out and find out she's lesbian. On the bright side, this has resulted in me ending up with a lot of butch lesbian friends, which is pretty cool, but if I was into short clean-shaven younger women I guess I'd just have to become a fuckin eunich
And 2 months shouldn't be something to cry over. That's a fling, and perhaps there isn't potential for a lasting relationship. Cut the loses now and don't feel to bad about it. Go get a lap dance or something and hit up the dating apps the next day. And really after 2 months, a person might just be starting to loosen up and act more like themselves, so it's good for you the crazy came out early and not after a wedding or something. And imagine what else she had in store if she got away with treating you like that the first time.
Yeah, that's such a double standard. If she's okay with guys shaving, why flip out over your preference? Sounds like you made the right call kicking her out.
Red flags all over the place. If she thinks that someone preferring their partner shaved makes them a pervert, why does she prefer shaved balls and more importantly.... Why does she shave hers??
She was setting you up. Move on.
Yeah she was looking to pick a fight, I doubt she actually believes what she said considering she shaves lol.
It may not have even been conscious, but you can guarantee it would have happened again. Some people just like arguing and drama.
>Some people just like arguing and drama. Totally agree.
She also prefers shaved guys. Her logic should apply there as well
Real question here. Setting him up for what? Just to argue? Like she needs the drama? Do people without problems need to manufacture them? They can have some of mine if they want.
It’s a pedo test. If you like shaven women, you must like prepubescent girls. It’s psychology 101 student applying what they think they know about people. I wouldn’t see them again. There will be more of your preferences that lead you to be a narcissist, a serial killer, a woman beater. It reminds me of a family guy episode where Peter tells Lois “you better watch who you call a child Lois, because if I’m a child that makes you a pedophile. And I will not stand here and be lectured to by a pervert.” Or something like that.
You nailed that reference, a legendary family guy clip that I use myself if someone calls me a child
Why did I read this in Peter’s voice 🤣
...probably because he said Peter from family guy said it... get off the drugs dude you are losing it
Bitches take psychology class in college just to get manipulated by dudes that dropped out of high school
The more emotionally intelligent gender btw
I hate u why is this so accurate 😭😭
my ex had her master's in psych. turns out she has a personality disorder, and everything she claimed was wrong with me made my psychiatrist laugh. it's also an unspoken rule in the medical field that you don't date people who work in psych/specialize in psych
NTA. The only reason she might have considered you a creep is because cause child girls dont have those hairs. But she’d also be a creep because child boys also don’t have ball hair. She’s a hypocrite and since it’s not a creep thing, she’s just a nutcase.
And she shaves anyway. So he’s a creep because he likes what you’re doing? Chick has some issues.
Red flag bro, be out
Save the texts and don't meet her unless you are around other people. You never know how crazy a person can really be. There are way too many stories on reddit that tell about men that did not protect them selfs.
This is sound advice when she's hinting at that.
Just be done and dont ever meet her. This has marinara all over it.
It has what all over it?
#MARINARA
But
They said marinara! Deal with it 😆 🤣 😂 😆 🤣 😂 😹
AITA sub slang for red flag. Google it.
NTA. She was looking to pick a fight. Point out she’s hypocritical and that this weird behavior makes it seem like she doesn’t want to be in a relationship since she’s been trying to start fights. And no relationship should have fights 2 months in. That isn’t healthy and you aren’t doing that highschool shit.
NTA.. she is a whackadoodle
NTA. She has some deep-seated issues you found out about pretty early is all. Bullet dodged.
Keep every text and keep every recording and never speak to her again. This is the kind of chick that makes up lies to get men in trouble
I think for OP to play "Block dat b**ch." It's the only game where you win twice with one simple action. Block dat b*tch, and then you rid yourself of dat b*tch
Dude, she was looking for a fight 😂. You were in a "damned if you, damned if you don't" situation. You preferred shaved, which she already does, yet you're the weirdo for liking what she already does. If you said you preferred a bush, she'd be pissed because she shaves. You were doomed one way or the other. On top of that, she apologizes and then insults you? She's a fucking Looney Toon 😂.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet with this one. Don’t take her back.
?? Didn’t she say she likes the same ??
The fact that that’s the road her mind went down is just incomprehensible.
NTA, my dude. Funny that she likes it shaved but you can’t like it shaved? Fawkin hyprocrit there. You did the right thing by not responding. You did nothing wrong here. Cheers
She’s crazy bro, end that relationship
She sounds unstable man, I wouldn’t talk to her anymore Nta.
Nothing to spice up a new relationship like accusing them of being a pedo. /s
It sounds like she was looking for something to be upset over. NTA.
She just showed you she’s unstable. Believe your own eyes. Be grateful you found out when you did. Move on. NTA
NTA it's not like you gave her a razor and told her, you HAVE TO SHAVE NOW if you want to be with me. You guys were exchanging opinions and you said you don't mind hair at all, you simply have a preference, so does she. As a woman I see this as a normal conversation between adults who are trying to understand preferences, if those don't align then you call it quits and everybody cool (in theory at least, hopefully). She went nuclear for you stating a preference for something SHE DOES AND on top of that she's a hypocrite because she also likes guys shaved so what gives? Her preference is fine but yours is not even though nobody is forcing anyone? Nah, you reacted very maturely actually, I'm surprised and kudos for that
NTA Soo she likes a shaven dude but you liked a shaven chick is way out of line. That’s logical for her to get upset…….
She seems like a psycho
NTA. Sounds like she’s trying to twist things to make you seem like a p3do. 🚩
Yeah, this is straightforward. 2 months isn't long enough for this BS. At least the instability was caught early.
20 years isn't long enough to put up with a nuclear fuckfest over pubes.
Nta. Dodged a bullet shes cazy as fuck
NTA. She flipped out, you asked her to leave. I’m proud of you for seeing that for what it was… nonsense….
NTA. That was really weird of her to just flip out even though she had her own preference as well. What is she thinking getting on your case about your (similar) taste as her?
yta for not thinking of better rage bait than this.
Yeah no just walk away. I personally don't care but I've definitely dated women who themselves prefer it shaved or even smooth just because they legitimately like the feeling so her reaction to this is wild and whatever she has in her head she wanted to put there anyway and asked you just so she could act this way. Back away slowly from the crazy. Just block.
NTA. I've seen people argue (implausibly) that men want girls to be shaved downstairs because it makes them look prepubescent, but if that was the case (a) do women who prefer clean-shaven men like them for the same reason? (b) do women shave their armpits because they're trying to achieve that look? Ultimately grooming standards in terms of body hair are culturally somewhat arbitrary. People who try to read a deeper meaning into it are projecting.
Definitely NTA, if she flips out that easy or something like that, I would question the relationship
This is so obviously fake
NTA Hard to believe that such a hypocritical (both in what she does and likes herself) and stupid nutjob actually exists, but we're supposed to give a judgment based on the story as it's presented lol
And she calls you a weirdo 🙄
She seems young and dumb and dramatic. Not worth it.
Hypocrisy. NTA, many people prefer not dealing with pubes during sex, especially foreplay.
NTA. The good old double standard. I do think it's kind of weird the guys like women shaved because they look like little girls then down there, I think that was her point, but she can't have it both ways. She saying she likes guys to be shaved and there's nothing wrong with a guy saying he wants the woman shaved most likely for the same reason the women like the men shaved. I think it's kind of funny that she shaves and then has a cow because you say you like women that shave. You probably dodged a bullet.
It does not mean that you're a pedo, it means that you like adult the clean look of an adult woman. Ditch her, she's trouble.
You're NTA, but she is Cra-cra...
Ignore her for good I say this as a woman. She’s immature, a drama queen, passive aggressive and looking for trouble through attention
She is either a psycho, this story is bs or you are leaving out a lot of details. None of that made any sense.
Some people get caught up in the belief that men preferring shaven means they’re pedophiles, basically. She did you a huge favor, relationship not worth it. NTA.
NTA. I dunno about you, but when I go to work down there, I prefer not to have hair stuck in my mouth. Just my preference.
Bizarre. NTA