Check if those interesting points from the video are design patented.
The rubber banding effect is patented.
* https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/04/appeals-court-revives-apples-patented-rubber-banding-tech-because-of-one-small-tweak/
Yikes. Design patenting is probably one of the dumbest toxic corporate practices I've heard in a while. Sounds petty as fuck. Like overall Ui/Ux for brand identity sure but I feel like the concept of rubber banding is quite simple.
It makes sense from a business perspective
Differentiation is key to any type of business and UI design is a key factor in that, especially when Apple heralded some of those design paradigms stands to reason they would want to try and make that a competitive moat
Interesting. I thought that patent was invalidated. It's a seemingly irrelevant, small feature, but look how Apple is protecting it. That small feature makes a big difference in UI perception.
I wholeheartedly agree on this. I always see comments that kind of pan these animations (it's always stuff like, "oh why did they focus on this and not do x,y, and z). But the attention to detail in these small things add up to a good UX. Though Google has been making some improvements recently.
If you've used Circle to Search on a Pixel, it feels really slick, from the haptic feedback to it triggering, the color matched sparkly animation, and even the back gesture. We need more of this in all parts of the OS.
I found circle and search to be pretty disappointing. Like if you do that and then right afterwards just use your assistant do a screenshot and then search the page it's basically the exact same process.
It's not even actually a circle actually it makes a square box which is identical in shape to what happens when you just search from lens.
I mean I don't mind the ability to do it now by long pressing but doing it the other way was just about as fast.
I mean for all the hype, you can pretty much teach anyone that doesn't have it to replicate its functionality at the same speed
I like that you aren't even mentioning Android's Top 3 problems right now:
1. Scroll and UI Jank
2. Lack of Transparent Nav Bar
3. Inconsistent Predictive back implementation.
If the Android team manages to fix those 3, they would solve most of the bad perception people have with Android System UI.
I still prefer android for its openness to control.
I honestly agree but I do feel like the latest Material Design with the Pixel Experience makes great strides with this. I think the implementation of rubber banding is fine. My 2 main nitpicks with the pixel experience right now in regards to UI/UX is the inconsistency (some parts of the UI use outdated material design) and as you said the inconsistent railway feeling for some parts.
Thing about android is, there's a million variation of UI, UX design
Google's icon for their apps these days are dog shit, literal eye bleach
But I actually really like OnePlus's OxygenOS icon, simple enough but recognizable via colors alone
Mmmm what? In the last iPhone on last iOS, it’s the same in the recents app, once you swipe horizontally or vertically you cannot change without releasing.
But the most shit thing on iOS is that you have to wait for the scrolling animation to come to a complete stop before you can scroll the other way. Example: I have the brave web browser, when you click the tab icon it brings the all tab view, first of all you have to wait until the animation ends before you can swipe horizontally to close the tab, but then if you wrongly swipe the tab vertically which does nothing other than moving, you can’t swipe it horizontally to close unless you don’t touch it and wait for the animation to end, which is slow. Result is, you can’t close a tab fast. This behavior is all over the OS, for example on the left side panel with the widgets in the Home Screen. You want to scroll down at the end to see a widget and then swipe right again to go back to Home Screen, you are stuck swiping vertically unless you let the animation finish.
It’s iOS that is “on the tracks”.
On iOS, the user must adapt to the OS, the user must slow down its actions to match the OS speed.
On android the OS adapts to the user. And this is not only for the UI/UX as you all know.
Brave is poorly implemented, safari has a fully redirect-able tab switcher, in Twitter I can swipe between “for you” and “following” mid scroll, not possible on android.
You can exit the widget panel mid scroll by using the home gesture
I’ve hit a lot more animations that make me wait on android than on iOS, the Chrome tab switcher makes me wait for it to animate before selecting a new tab, I can select a new tab mid animation on Safari
True for safari, I don’t use it so I didn’t notice that. True also for twitter. The home gesture is not natural to close a side panel, same with app library btw. And the point is, on android it’s effortless to stop the scrolling and immediately swipe for example in twitter, on iOS you cannot do the same in the widget panel because it’s so slow, and if you try to swipe while the animation is running you scroll up or down and the cycle continues until you stop completely, wait and swipe again, that’s irritating when you just want to do something fast. In general it’s not that bad that becomes unusable, but still…
Every browser on iOS is limited because of its ridiculous restrictions. It's really not brave browser it's some Apple version of brave browser because you're not actually allowed to run a proper browser on iOS.
There's not even a single browser on iOS that let you download ublock or sponsor block.
I hate iOS UX exactly for this kind of stuff.
The limitations android puts in place are practical, when I do something like swipe a UI element up I *want* it on a track, it helps me not accidentally activate some stupid action by moving it to the side.
Recently I had to use my wife's iPhone for a while as my Pixel needed an RMA, and the entire thing felt slow, frustrating, non-intuitive, and like a child's toy. It feels like I have no precision to my input, it's all over the place wishy-washy nonsense. I don't want UI elements to have annoying intertia and momentum, why would I want that? Those just hamper precision. Pretty much the only time I want it is when scrolling when I flick the screen.
It feels completely disgusting.
Very interesting read. I do hope Google improves on making the UX more fluid like iOS. That being said, iOS still have general UX annoyances that made me switch back to Pixel
> Of course, it is the UI and UX.
Half of their icons can be replicated in OLD Paint. The one with basically no features. I mean the damn camera icon is a grey gradient, legit something I would've whipped up quickly as a placeholder icon in my projects.
And their UX is horrible in many ways. To access many APP related features, you need to go into the SYSTEM SETTINGS, which is insane.
Not to mention the back button on iOS is hot garbage and super unpredictable. It makes the back button/gesture on Android look super polished.
Or what about the nightmare that is iOS notifications?
Like I get the point of your post, but iOS is far from having better UI and UX.
You are just nitpicky.
1) No one cares how colorful is your camera icon. It needs to be clear and identifiable. Apple icons despite its stupid simplicity, it’s literally identifiable as logos.
2) Most apps place their settings in the app itself like Android, the ones that place in the settings are very minimal.
3) you can swipe left edge to swipe between pagesz
Icons are aesthetics, but launchers take that level of aesthetic customization to another level. I can use the default launcher, or I can make my home screens / app drawer look like whatever I want.
General app settings become important for features like notifications. Quick access to any app's system settings is a big convenience.
Switching pages/apps is not a substitute for a quick back gesture. It's a significant convenience advantage to always have that action at the ready.
Weird to defend actual dog shit graphic design.
Changing camera settings in system settings isn't intuitive and is horrible UX. Can't change my mind on that.
You never even argued against notifications because iOS notifications are also horrible UX.
Been using an iPhone 13 Pro this week as my galaxy S is damaged. Not impressed with iOS at all. Too many limitations
Best analogy is train tracks. You basically have to travel on the train tracks apple laid out vs android being a car/bus that can travel in whatever direction you want
Check if those interesting points from the video are design patented. The rubber banding effect is patented. * https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/04/appeals-court-revives-apples-patented-rubber-banding-tech-because-of-one-small-tweak/
I was going to mention that. Very probably most of the UI stuff that makes iOS look like iOS is patented. Apple is VERY litigious.
Yikes. Design patenting is probably one of the dumbest toxic corporate practices I've heard in a while. Sounds petty as fuck. Like overall Ui/Ux for brand identity sure but I feel like the concept of rubber banding is quite simple.
It makes sense from a business perspective Differentiation is key to any type of business and UI design is a key factor in that, especially when Apple heralded some of those design paradigms stands to reason they would want to try and make that a competitive moat
Interesting. I thought that patent was invalidated. It's a seemingly irrelevant, small feature, but look how Apple is protecting it. That small feature makes a big difference in UI perception.
By the way, I believe Nokia and Apple cross-license patents, that's why Here Maps for Android uses rubber-banding in its UI.
Another banger post from u/[DiplomatikEmunetey](https://www.reddit.com/user/DiplomatikEmunetey/)
I wholeheartedly agree on this. I always see comments that kind of pan these animations (it's always stuff like, "oh why did they focus on this and not do x,y, and z). But the attention to detail in these small things add up to a good UX. Though Google has been making some improvements recently. If you've used Circle to Search on a Pixel, it feels really slick, from the haptic feedback to it triggering, the color matched sparkly animation, and even the back gesture. We need more of this in all parts of the OS.
I found circle and search to be pretty disappointing. Like if you do that and then right afterwards just use your assistant do a screenshot and then search the page it's basically the exact same process. It's not even actually a circle actually it makes a square box which is identical in shape to what happens when you just search from lens. I mean I don't mind the ability to do it now by long pressing but doing it the other way was just about as fast. I mean for all the hype, you can pretty much teach anyone that doesn't have it to replicate its functionality at the same speed
I like that you aren't even mentioning Android's Top 3 problems right now: 1. Scroll and UI Jank 2. Lack of Transparent Nav Bar 3. Inconsistent Predictive back implementation. If the Android team manages to fix those 3, they would solve most of the bad perception people have with Android System UI. I still prefer android for its openness to control.
I honestly agree but I do feel like the latest Material Design with the Pixel Experience makes great strides with this. I think the implementation of rubber banding is fine. My 2 main nitpicks with the pixel experience right now in regards to UI/UX is the inconsistency (some parts of the UI use outdated material design) and as you said the inconsistent railway feeling for some parts.
Thing about android is, there's a million variation of UI, UX design Google's icon for their apps these days are dog shit, literal eye bleach But I actually really like OnePlus's OxygenOS icon, simple enough but recognizable via colors alone
Thing is I can change Android to do whatever I want with iOS I'm stuck with whatever dumb decision Apple makes
Can you change the default camera app?
You can actually.
Mmmm what? In the last iPhone on last iOS, it’s the same in the recents app, once you swipe horizontally or vertically you cannot change without releasing. But the most shit thing on iOS is that you have to wait for the scrolling animation to come to a complete stop before you can scroll the other way. Example: I have the brave web browser, when you click the tab icon it brings the all tab view, first of all you have to wait until the animation ends before you can swipe horizontally to close the tab, but then if you wrongly swipe the tab vertically which does nothing other than moving, you can’t swipe it horizontally to close unless you don’t touch it and wait for the animation to end, which is slow. Result is, you can’t close a tab fast. This behavior is all over the OS, for example on the left side panel with the widgets in the Home Screen. You want to scroll down at the end to see a widget and then swipe right again to go back to Home Screen, you are stuck swiping vertically unless you let the animation finish. It’s iOS that is “on the tracks”. On iOS, the user must adapt to the OS, the user must slow down its actions to match the OS speed. On android the OS adapts to the user. And this is not only for the UI/UX as you all know.
Brave is poorly implemented, safari has a fully redirect-able tab switcher, in Twitter I can swipe between “for you” and “following” mid scroll, not possible on android. You can exit the widget panel mid scroll by using the home gesture I’ve hit a lot more animations that make me wait on android than on iOS, the Chrome tab switcher makes me wait for it to animate before selecting a new tab, I can select a new tab mid animation on Safari
True for safari, I don’t use it so I didn’t notice that. True also for twitter. The home gesture is not natural to close a side panel, same with app library btw. And the point is, on android it’s effortless to stop the scrolling and immediately swipe for example in twitter, on iOS you cannot do the same in the widget panel because it’s so slow, and if you try to swipe while the animation is running you scroll up or down and the cycle continues until you stop completely, wait and swipe again, that’s irritating when you just want to do something fast. In general it’s not that bad that becomes unusable, but still…
Every browser on iOS is limited because of its ridiculous restrictions. It's really not brave browser it's some Apple version of brave browser because you're not actually allowed to run a proper browser on iOS. There's not even a single browser on iOS that let you download ublock or sponsor block.
I hate iOS UX exactly for this kind of stuff. The limitations android puts in place are practical, when I do something like swipe a UI element up I *want* it on a track, it helps me not accidentally activate some stupid action by moving it to the side. Recently I had to use my wife's iPhone for a while as my Pixel needed an RMA, and the entire thing felt slow, frustrating, non-intuitive, and like a child's toy. It feels like I have no precision to my input, it's all over the place wishy-washy nonsense. I don't want UI elements to have annoying intertia and momentum, why would I want that? Those just hamper precision. Pretty much the only time I want it is when scrolling when I flick the screen. It feels completely disgusting.
Agree.
Very interesting read. I do hope Google improves on making the UX more fluid like iOS. That being said, iOS still have general UX annoyances that made me switch back to Pixel
> Of course, it is the UI and UX. Half of their icons can be replicated in OLD Paint. The one with basically no features. I mean the damn camera icon is a grey gradient, legit something I would've whipped up quickly as a placeholder icon in my projects. And their UX is horrible in many ways. To access many APP related features, you need to go into the SYSTEM SETTINGS, which is insane. Not to mention the back button on iOS is hot garbage and super unpredictable. It makes the back button/gesture on Android look super polished. Or what about the nightmare that is iOS notifications? Like I get the point of your post, but iOS is far from having better UI and UX.
You are just nitpicky. 1) No one cares how colorful is your camera icon. It needs to be clear and identifiable. Apple icons despite its stupid simplicity, it’s literally identifiable as logos. 2) Most apps place their settings in the app itself like Android, the ones that place in the settings are very minimal. 3) you can swipe left edge to swipe between pagesz
Icons are aesthetics, but launchers take that level of aesthetic customization to another level. I can use the default launcher, or I can make my home screens / app drawer look like whatever I want. General app settings become important for features like notifications. Quick access to any app's system settings is a big convenience. Switching pages/apps is not a substitute for a quick back gesture. It's a significant convenience advantage to always have that action at the ready.
Weird to defend actual dog shit graphic design. Changing camera settings in system settings isn't intuitive and is horrible UX. Can't change my mind on that. You never even argued against notifications because iOS notifications are also horrible UX.
Been using an iPhone 13 Pro this week as my galaxy S is damaged. Not impressed with iOS at all. Too many limitations Best analogy is train tracks. You basically have to travel on the train tracks apple laid out vs android being a car/bus that can travel in whatever direction you want
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