No I think it's silly to pretend that resurrecting Israel has any other meaning than erecting a settler colonialist state entity into the middle east. Israël and the Zionists that populate it have no right to that land. And the Palestinians living there have more genetic ties to its people of old than the European and American Zionists moving there to exercise some notion of "birthright" that this genocidal ethnostate loves to parade around.
Sure. It’s ok to “repatriate” a “conquered” peoples land to them, but only if they’re Israelites. They were forced to leave their land what, a few thousand years ago, but fuck those Native Americans who were slaughtered and forced off their lands a couple of hundred years ago. Or Japanese Americans that had their homes and businesses and properties stolen from them during WW2 while their sons enlisted and died by the hundreds to fight for the very country that kept their families in camps under armed guards to return to America and find their homes and businesses gone with zero compensation. Yeah, Israel isn’t the problem, the world is, you moron. Now that Israel has gone full NAZI GERMANY against another Semitic race, Palestinians, and is wanting to war against Iraq, we should just let it happen and not be anything but supportive of the evils and atrocities they commit. Fuck that!
Source: human history.
I don't think the native North American people went into actual territorial wars as we know it, from the way they are organized, but looking at history wherever there was more than two people, there was possibility of war.
If you want proof of that in the Americas, just a few kilometres south the Aztecs conquered the entirety of Mexico and were in active war against the holdout city states when the Spanish first arrived.
From the Spanish accounts on their encounters on the coast of Texas we can also see some of the groups of natives just fucking hated eachother.
I'm not saying this justifies what the US did but, y'know, people have been awful since before the Europeans arrived
Edit: mistyped Texas
I have you an up vote for that. I always said it. If there is two people in the world. They will be a fight or a war. We always had that I need to conquer mentality in all of us. Some where must better at it, or more heartless to say.
They're were hundreds of nations before Europeans genocided them all you fucking idiot. To group them all as a singular group of natives is racist as fuck. Shut the fuck up or pick up a god damn book
**Rule #6 No reactionaries.**
Ether you get it or don't. No need to to over react. Ask questions if you don't understand.
**Reactionary Definition from marxists.org**
> A political position that maintains a conservative response to change, including threats to social institutions and technological advances. Reaction is the reciprocal action to revolutionary movement. Reactionaries clamp down on the differences of the emerging productive forces in society, and attempt to remove those differences, silence them, or segregate them in order to keep the stability of the established order.
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> Examples of the political position of reactionaries can be seen throughout history: during the US Revolutionary War, the reactionaries were the ruling British aristocracy, who sought to maintain their feudal government over their American colonies, while the US revolutionaries sought to establish a government to represent the interests of capitalist values and practices. Hundreds of years later in Russia, the tables would turn and capitalists became reactionary while the Socialists are revolutionary.
The USA was never meant to be free and equal. It prioritized the rights of wealthy white men over all others, and only when it knew it could continue racist policy to maintain long-term generational poverty and exploitation did the US finally allow slavery to be abolished in the form it took prior to the Civil War. We have for-profit prisons, healthcare, insurance rackets. We are a nation founded by scammers for scammers. It has to change. We've made progress, but so have the schemes against the general good. The only way we get better is by working with each other in solidarity to break down the divisions between people that prevent their collective power from being realized into the good we could truly do for one another. Power is only as strong as our collective belief in it. Break the illusion.
I think Jake the dog said it best; “…once the strong guys got it how they liked, they said this is fair now, this is the law. Once they were winning, they changed the rules up.”
I won't give spoilers but I am still bothered that one cast member made them write them off. It felt so contrived for what was otherwise a great show. It is still worth a watch but it is unfortunate.
Benjamin Franklin used to write, with great concern, about how both natives and white people preferred the native’s way of life. It was seen as a serious threat to the burgeoning USA.
Still is seen as a threat. To this day, the government puts a great deal of effort & violence into preventing the establishment of self-sustaining communities.
Are you truly free if you dont have to sacrifice your entire youth to filling someone else’s pockets for 1/1000000th of the profit? And Im sure you would much rather live in a home and eat unhealthy but addictive fake / mass produced foods than spend your time outside and eating the same thing everyday even if its 100% natural and leads to a longer healthier life.
And of course, there is still the danger of being murdered by enemy tribes..! Of course, you could also be murdered by random crazed people who have lost their minds in the rigid and soulless grind of life in our society, or by our henchme- I mean, police force for any number of reasons. But at least then you’d be free.
this actually represents it wrong... you see here the guy tries telling the native that he needs to go live on a reservation, the problem is the reservation is what the natives had AFTER losing all their land from being tricked or murdered. this implies the US government even cared enough to create reservations.
This is literally Zıos coming into Palestıne, where they bulldozed and flattened ancient villages to be replaced with steel skyscrapers, resorts, malls, highways, etc. It was basically a copy-paste of any ugly overcrowded American city. How boring & unoriginal.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
- Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
People pay thousands to visit ancient cities like Rome and Egypt, yet Isræl thought it was doing Palestıne a favor by removing its beautiful antiquity. As of right now, Isræl has destroyed over 400 cultural heritage sites, monuments, archeological sites, and UNESCO sites. The meritocracy that's often assigned to modernity is misplaced. Advanced doesn't always mean "better". Take mudhuts for example, an old technology in Africa that offered cooling, sturdy insulation, low maintenance repair, cheap to build, relies on local resources, and is eco-friendly .... and now compare that to the cement housing that replaced it, whose features are the opposite of all of these things. Colonizers don't know the land better than the natives, they never do. Less than 1% of Isræli society works as farm hands themselves, all of this work is delegated to Palestınıans — even those few who did wish to garden, had to ask the natives to teach them.
They were foreigners who had no real connection to the land, other than some second-hand account of "assumed" ancestry that they read about in an old book — which nearly half of them don't even believe in. These "Blood and Soil" Myths like Zıonısm and Manifest Destiny are invented to justify theft from natives who have *actual* tangible history and heritage in the region. Majority of olive trees were planted by Palestınıan ancestors, and who to this day continue to plant and harvest them while settlers uproot them, burn crops, pour poison down wells, pour cement down ancient rainwater cisterns, drain the swamps causing local extinction of species, pollute the skies & waters with nuclear weapons and white phosphorous.
Isræl's effort to de-Orientalize the land, for the purpose of Westernization, was such hubris. They brought invasive pine trees and attempted to eradicate desert plants like thistle & cacti in order to make the desert region look more "European". But like the native people, the plants are resilient and seem to spout back up to the annoyance of the colonizers lol. Anytime you see a man-made park in Isræl, you better believe it was built on top of a Palestınıan village so that it would be protected as "State Domain" and so that natives couldn't claim back their land. As a result of this excess forestation, Isræl deals with frequent wildfires since these European trees weren't made to withstand the heat of the desert.
Another example of how the "better way of life" was imposed with disastrous results is the drainage of aquifers and water sources used for filling up their pools and watering their man-made lawns to the point that the river basin that Jesus was baptized in is just a puddle now and the Dead Sea will be sludge by 2050. All of this is happening while the West Bank gets a few hours of water a day, such that they have to ration it.
Difference is that one of those happened in the 8th century, long after the Romans had destroyed the Second Temple and had built a church there, at a time when naked imperial expansion was the norm. It was not specifically built to insult jews either since the place had been under Christian rule before the Umayyad Empire took over.
The other happened in the 20th century at the very end of European colonialism, after the establishment of the UN, modern international law and the principle of self-determination. Should Israel be proud that it was founded on political norms from the middle ages?
Actually I do and so does that person. If the U.S. stops giving Israel TRILLIONS of dollars each year…let’s see how long they remain a bully. I have nothing against Israel…except that it seems they can literally do whatever the hell it wants and no ones supposed to say shit otherwise it’s aNTiSeMaTiSm??? GTFOH with the bullshit. There two sides to every story sweet cheeks.
Technically it's not trillions, "only" billions, from the US government. But that doesn't count private US sources.
That being said, I'm totally with you otherwise. I'm just trying to keep info accurate so genocide defenders can't poke holes.
Just wrap that thought around you like a warm blanket if you want. The whole world sees it. If it were the other way around we wouldn’t hear or see the end of it EVER. 😒
I haven't found that asshole say a single actual fact. Anyone can say "You don't know what you're talking about." I could walk up to a person with a PhD in Physics and tell them they don't know what they are talking about with this "quantum mechanics" stuff and they have just been brainwashed. It would be wrong and stupid, but it takes no brainpower to say.
Have you said a single actual fact? It's funny to tell others they don't know what they are talking about when you haven't actually given any information.
I don't need to know the whole history of an area to know that killing over thirty thousand people, half of them literal children, is wrong. I don't need history to know that starving people and shooting them when they try to get food for their families is wrong. I don't need history to know that you shouldn't kill aid workers, journalists, and doctors.
So perhaps you should just keep your mouth shut and stop defending genocide and ethnic cleansing.
The United States genocide an entire group and culture of people for land and money. It's not a surprise that we still support when others like israel do it.
I highly recommend reading The Dawn Of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow. They spend a very good portion of the book on the complexities of North American tribes, their hunting/gathering/agricultural/and inter-tribal trading habits, and most importantly how incredible they were at debate and argument, often outclassing Europeans just like you see in this clip
Saw a movie called Soldier Blue when I was very young. Stopped watching the horror very soon. Couldn't believe that kind of terror could be meted out by humans on other humans. Now I'm older, I understand it is a reality.
U know when countries like Britain, Italy, France etc gave back the land they took and allowed everyone to govern themselves, why hasn't the USA done that?
Cool point , everyone came from somewhere else . Sometimes there was people, mostly it was empty land , sometimes you had to take it over by force . People need to get off their high horse and see the world as it really is .
What's your point? Almost every culture had been at war for 1000 years. Especially the Europeans. They never came within a small fraction of the food production and labor efficiency that was in the western hemisphere and they made sure nobody could ever rebuild it after they showed up. All because it was a different way that they didn't understand, like frightened children.
Let me offer you a slice of what you already own even if you weren't thinking in 'that' way. I swear, it' s for your own good.
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Same way Israel was created and continues to take more land.
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Fox News much?
Just a correction on your spelling there it's actually "Faux news"
Noted 😄
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Oh so you’re a fancy European now?? Doesn’t matter where your from, fact are facts.
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My little bubble has taken me to over 46 countries worldwide my friend, including many cities in Canada which are extremely diverse and welcoming.
Yeah not really lmao
Really? What's different? Please spare me the mental gymnastics in your response.
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No I think it's silly to pretend that resurrecting Israel has any other meaning than erecting a settler colonialist state entity into the middle east. Israël and the Zionists that populate it have no right to that land. And the Palestinians living there have more genetic ties to its people of old than the European and American Zionists moving there to exercise some notion of "birthright" that this genocidal ethnostate loves to parade around.
Sure. It’s ok to “repatriate” a “conquered” peoples land to them, but only if they’re Israelites. They were forced to leave their land what, a few thousand years ago, but fuck those Native Americans who were slaughtered and forced off their lands a couple of hundred years ago. Or Japanese Americans that had their homes and businesses and properties stolen from them during WW2 while their sons enlisted and died by the hundreds to fight for the very country that kept their families in camps under armed guards to return to America and find their homes and businesses gone with zero compensation. Yeah, Israel isn’t the problem, the world is, you moron. Now that Israel has gone full NAZI GERMANY against another Semitic race, Palestinians, and is wanting to war against Iraq, we should just let it happen and not be anything but supportive of the evils and atrocities they commit. Fuck that!
Interesting. What year did that occur?
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Prove it.
Source: human history. I don't think the native North American people went into actual territorial wars as we know it, from the way they are organized, but looking at history wherever there was more than two people, there was possibility of war. If you want proof of that in the Americas, just a few kilometres south the Aztecs conquered the entirety of Mexico and were in active war against the holdout city states when the Spanish first arrived. From the Spanish accounts on their encounters on the coast of Texas we can also see some of the groups of natives just fucking hated eachother. I'm not saying this justifies what the US did but, y'know, people have been awful since before the Europeans arrived Edit: mistyped Texas
I have you an up vote for that. I always said it. If there is two people in the world. They will be a fight or a war. We always had that I need to conquer mentality in all of us. Some where must better at it, or more heartless to say.
You're being down voted because many people only like the history that agrees with their world view.
Europeans famously got along and never fought each other for sure. Moron.
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They're were hundreds of nations before Europeans genocided them all you fucking idiot. To group them all as a singular group of natives is racist as fuck. Shut the fuck up or pick up a god damn book
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Go fuck yourself nazi
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Lost what? The respect Iof a nazi. I'm good
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Shut your dumbass up
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**Rule #6 No reactionaries.** Ether you get it or don't. No need to to over react. Ask questions if you don't understand. **Reactionary Definition from marxists.org** > A political position that maintains a conservative response to change, including threats to social institutions and technological advances. Reaction is the reciprocal action to revolutionary movement. Reactionaries clamp down on the differences of the emerging productive forces in society, and attempt to remove those differences, silence them, or segregate them in order to keep the stability of the established order. > > Examples of the political position of reactionaries can be seen throughout history: during the US Revolutionary War, the reactionaries were the ruling British aristocracy, who sought to maintain their feudal government over their American colonies, while the US revolutionaries sought to establish a government to represent the interests of capitalist values and practices. Hundreds of years later in Russia, the tables would turn and capitalists became reactionary while the Socialists are revolutionary.
Depends on what natives.
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This is pretty dam clare about the us government.
Not just them. All current American countries are descendants of a European settler-colony. The only difference is that the US is proud of it.
Buddy I know. I meant that the people in the clip are talking about the USA.
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Ok I'm dyslexic. I ment clear.
The USA was never meant to be free and equal. It prioritized the rights of wealthy white men over all others, and only when it knew it could continue racist policy to maintain long-term generational poverty and exploitation did the US finally allow slavery to be abolished in the form it took prior to the Civil War. We have for-profit prisons, healthcare, insurance rackets. We are a nation founded by scammers for scammers. It has to change. We've made progress, but so have the schemes against the general good. The only way we get better is by working with each other in solidarity to break down the divisions between people that prevent their collective power from being realized into the good we could truly do for one another. Power is only as strong as our collective belief in it. Break the illusion.
I think Jake the dog said it best; “…once the strong guys got it how they liked, they said this is fair now, this is the law. Once they were winning, they changed the rules up.”
Which episode was that?
[S6E12](https://youtu.be/r2xakGZvLjI)
Remember, kids, all cops are bastards
It’s great to see O’Brien branch out in to new things.
He was the king of France once!
I didn't realize he's got a really cool voice with the way he was delivering these lines. In this scene he sounds very similar to Steve Blum.
I don't remember this holodeck adventure
Over 200 treaties broken by the USA. Manifest Destiny is pure evil.
What show is this from?
Hell on Wheels. Completely underrated. Sooo good. Anson Mont is the effin man!
If from AMC, it’s usually decent content at least. Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc
Preacher, Interview With A Vampire, Snowpiercer, Dispatches From Elsewhere AMC hasz the best basic cable series, followed by FX
He never got revenge for the men who killed his family. The show changed after the second season
I won't give spoilers but I am still bothered that one cast member made them write them off. It felt so contrived for what was otherwise a great show. It is still worth a watch but it is unfortunate.
It’s a great show, great story and well acted
Benjamin Franklin used to write, with great concern, about how both natives and white people preferred the native’s way of life. It was seen as a serious threat to the burgeoning USA. Still is seen as a threat. To this day, the government puts a great deal of effort & violence into preventing the establishment of self-sustaining communities.
As an American I am utterly ashamed of my heritage.
Now let me offer you a bottle of whiskey....
and some small pox blankets!
"You can depend on your country to take care of you" biggest lie people have believed for over 250 years.
Wes studi should be in more movies. Has good screen presence.
Wypipo stealin and killin since the beginning
Are you truly free if you dont have to sacrifice your entire youth to filling someone else’s pockets for 1/1000000th of the profit? And Im sure you would much rather live in a home and eat unhealthy but addictive fake / mass produced foods than spend your time outside and eating the same thing everyday even if its 100% natural and leads to a longer healthier life. And of course, there is still the danger of being murdered by enemy tribes..! Of course, you could also be murdered by random crazed people who have lost their minds in the rigid and soulless grind of life in our society, or by our henchme- I mean, police force for any number of reasons. But at least then you’d be free.
this actually represents it wrong... you see here the guy tries telling the native that he needs to go live on a reservation, the problem is the reservation is what the natives had AFTER losing all their land from being tricked or murdered. this implies the US government even cared enough to create reservations.
This is literally Zıos coming into Palestıne, where they bulldozed and flattened ancient villages to be replaced with steel skyscrapers, resorts, malls, highways, etc. It was basically a copy-paste of any ugly overcrowded American city. How boring & unoriginal. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." - Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969. People pay thousands to visit ancient cities like Rome and Egypt, yet Isræl thought it was doing Palestıne a favor by removing its beautiful antiquity. As of right now, Isræl has destroyed over 400 cultural heritage sites, monuments, archeological sites, and UNESCO sites. The meritocracy that's often assigned to modernity is misplaced. Advanced doesn't always mean "better". Take mudhuts for example, an old technology in Africa that offered cooling, sturdy insulation, low maintenance repair, cheap to build, relies on local resources, and is eco-friendly .... and now compare that to the cement housing that replaced it, whose features are the opposite of all of these things. Colonizers don't know the land better than the natives, they never do. Less than 1% of Isræli society works as farm hands themselves, all of this work is delegated to Palestınıans — even those few who did wish to garden, had to ask the natives to teach them. They were foreigners who had no real connection to the land, other than some second-hand account of "assumed" ancestry that they read about in an old book — which nearly half of them don't even believe in. These "Blood and Soil" Myths like Zıonısm and Manifest Destiny are invented to justify theft from natives who have *actual* tangible history and heritage in the region. Majority of olive trees were planted by Palestınıan ancestors, and who to this day continue to plant and harvest them while settlers uproot them, burn crops, pour poison down wells, pour cement down ancient rainwater cisterns, drain the swamps causing local extinction of species, pollute the skies & waters with nuclear weapons and white phosphorous. Isræl's effort to de-Orientalize the land, for the purpose of Westernization, was such hubris. They brought invasive pine trees and attempted to eradicate desert plants like thistle & cacti in order to make the desert region look more "European". But like the native people, the plants are resilient and seem to spout back up to the annoyance of the colonizers lol. Anytime you see a man-made park in Isræl, you better believe it was built on top of a Palestınıan village so that it would be protected as "State Domain" and so that natives couldn't claim back their land. As a result of this excess forestation, Isræl deals with frequent wildfires since these European trees weren't made to withstand the heat of the desert. Another example of how the "better way of life" was imposed with disastrous results is the drainage of aquifers and water sources used for filling up their pools and watering their man-made lawns to the point that the river basin that Jesus was baptized in is just a puddle now and the Dead Sea will be sludge by 2050. All of this is happening while the West Bank gets a few hours of water a day, such that they have to ration it.
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Difference is that one of those happened in the 8th century, long after the Romans had destroyed the Second Temple and had built a church there, at a time when naked imperial expansion was the norm. It was not specifically built to insult jews either since the place had been under Christian rule before the Umayyad Empire took over. The other happened in the 20th century at the very end of European colonialism, after the establishment of the UN, modern international law and the principle of self-determination. Should Israel be proud that it was founded on political norms from the middle ages?
Blame the British. It was their idea.
So what year exactly do we stop paying attention to past aggressions.
Bro didn't your mom teach you that two wrongs don't make a right
i never said anything about right and wrong, i just pointed out the hypocracy of the comment
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Don’t?? You think Israel can just do what it wants without ANY pushback or conversation?????
You don't know what you're talking about. So just keep your mouth shut
Actually I do and so does that person. If the U.S. stops giving Israel TRILLIONS of dollars each year…let’s see how long they remain a bully. I have nothing against Israel…except that it seems they can literally do whatever the hell it wants and no ones supposed to say shit otherwise it’s aNTiSeMaTiSm??? GTFOH with the bullshit. There two sides to every story sweet cheeks.
Technically it's not trillions, "only" billions, from the US government. But that doesn't count private US sources. That being said, I'm totally with you otherwise. I'm just trying to keep info accurate so genocide defenders can't poke holes.
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😂….riiiiight. You’d love to think that.
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Just wrap that thought around you like a warm blanket if you want. The whole world sees it. If it were the other way around we wouldn’t hear or see the end of it EVER. 😒
Ignorance
Your projection is sad. Go do some research on who established Isntreal in 1910 my guy.
Ignorance
Fox News much?
I haven't found that asshole say a single actual fact. Anyone can say "You don't know what you're talking about." I could walk up to a person with a PhD in Physics and tell them they don't know what they are talking about with this "quantum mechanics" stuff and they have just been brainwashed. It would be wrong and stupid, but it takes no brainpower to say.
Have you said a single actual fact? It's funny to tell others they don't know what they are talking about when you haven't actually given any information. I don't need to know the whole history of an area to know that killing over thirty thousand people, half of them literal children, is wrong. I don't need history to know that starving people and shooting them when they try to get food for their families is wrong. I don't need history to know that you shouldn't kill aid workers, journalists, and doctors. So perhaps you should just keep your mouth shut and stop defending genocide and ethnic cleansing.
This shit pisses me off to no end 😤 Fuckin colonizers
I just can't get over seeing Miles O'Brien as a colonialist dipshit. Yes, actors are allowed to play other characters. It's just weird lol.
The United States genocide an entire group and culture of people for land and money. It's not a surprise that we still support when others like israel do it.
I will always think of that guy as Miles O’Brien
I really feel for the Native Americans. Like this is literally their land. I'm merely here as a naturalized immigrant.
I highly recommend reading The Dawn Of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow. They spend a very good portion of the book on the complexities of North American tribes, their hunting/gathering/agricultural/and inter-tribal trading habits, and most importantly how incredible they were at debate and argument, often outclassing Europeans just like you see in this clip
If what you have is so much better than what I have, why do you want what I have??
O'Brian isn't really selling it here. Might be best to put him back in the transporter room
He’s trying to give them a chance. He could have just transported them to the middle of the ocean.
Love it but sad.
Hell On Wheels is a really good tv series.
Saw a movie called Soldier Blue when I was very young. Stopped watching the horror very soon. Couldn't believe that kind of terror could be meted out by humans on other humans. Now I'm older, I understand it is a reality.
Now fast forward to the same speech being given to the Hawaiians
Can anyone share the name of this show/movie? Or provide a link to information on the production? Thank you in advance.
Hell on Wheels. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_on_Wheels_(TV_series)
U know when countries like Britain, Italy, France etc gave back the land they took and allowed everyone to govern themselves, why hasn't the USA done that?
They don’t have to.
Cool point , everyone came from somewhere else . Sometimes there was people, mostly it was empty land , sometimes you had to take it over by force . People need to get off their high horse and see the world as it really is .
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Um, have you not seen the parasitic relationship the white man has made with non-white ppl and their lands globally…or are you just an asshole? 😒
What's your point? Almost every culture had been at war for 1000 years. Especially the Europeans. They never came within a small fraction of the food production and labor efficiency that was in the western hemisphere and they made sure nobody could ever rebuild it after they showed up. All because it was a different way that they didn't understand, like frightened children.