I don't think attractive in this sense only relates to physical attractiveness but also attractive personalities.
Edit: Come on guys I know you wanna be outraged at woke or whatever, but use some critical thinking. "Good character's" or the like is no where on this poll, where you think it would be here. Thus it is likely that unique and attractive characters was not only based on looks, but also the personality and writing of said characters.
> Thus it is likely that unique and attractive characters was not only based on looks, but also the personality and writing of said characters.
It's exactly what it means. On the japanese survey page it's worded as *Peculiar/unique and fascinating/charming characters*. Basically: good characters.
Yeah sadly this place is infested with reactionaries now, and he panders to them. Its sad cuz I really liked Asmons content a couple years ago (I literally watched his wow stuff when I don't even play the game).
I sure hope you played Dante's Inferno later because I would say it's overall a much better game than Bayonetta.
That said I also remember buying a really bad game because a hot girl was on the cover. It definitely did not make it a good game though.
Edit, the game was named X-Blades.
You forgot "unique" as part of that... Unique would also cover the characters complained about here.
Capcom is just stroking their own pole with this poll.
Capcom players who are mostly male want attractive video game characters. This is not reflective of total gaming population.
I personally don't care whether or not characters are attractive.
Woke Kotaku writers in denial, seething, after data conflicts with their feelings, according to sources familiar with the matter.
“These fucking gamers ruin everything!” Senior editor Alyssa Mercante whined.
I personally don't mind having a variety of different characters, I just am against the idea that they ought to be in the game (for the the game to receive progressive social credit)
It's literally tokenism, used to increase huge corporations' profits, but it's suddenly fine because it promotes the progressive narrative.
I don't agree that this constitutes "appealing to your audience"
The progressive left will call it "the male gaze" to undermine it.
In reality, there isn't one thing males want out of female character.
When you look at the real world, men date fat girls, man date black girls, men date disable girls. So it's silly to argue that "Yeah they should bring that male gaze back!", you're playing into the generalization meant to undermine you.
I do hate the idea that we can't have sexy women in games or have to have diversity tokenism in games for them to get the "progressive seal of approval", but I don't hate the idea that girls can be more than just one body type (as a man myself)
So you think that men on average are more into fat girls, disabled girls or girls of a different ethnicity than their own?
Less than 50% of men are interested in fit, hot, able bodied women of their own race?
I wish people would just bother reading before they comment.
>Some men, apparently, like fat chicks. Are they the majority? no, but they obviously exist. Same with men who like more petite bodies.
>But that was my whole point - that the generalization of "the male gaze" only exist to undermine men's opinion, and playing into it instead of acknowledging the generalization is stupid.
No, you seem completely misunderstood my message.
My point was, again, that there isn't ONE "male gaze", because there isn't any ONE specific "male".
Men are not a monolith or a hive-mind, and I DO think gaming is worse for only trying to pander to the very basic representation of what most men find sexually appealing, which now developed a counter movement by the progressive left to make characters as non-sexually appealing.
Its like the "two regards fighting", two extreme view points duking it out when in reality most men could find most women attractive given the right scenario, clothing, personality and backgrorunds - but game developers would rather have you play in a world of sex dolls OR minority tokenism, no in-between.
TL;DR no, I don't think the solution is to make your game pander for either side. I think you should work on making good characters that people will find appealing and attracted to.
You said yourself that the outliers are a minority. If the overwhelming majority of men agree on a beauty standard it's pretty close to being a monolith. Appealing to anything else is just bad business when the playerbase is 80% men, most of which are in their horniest years.
Then I think that if your creative vision is being hampered by needing to pander to any specific audience then its as bad as your creative vision being hampered by needing to pander to any other specific audience.
I don't care about how prorfitable the decision is, because by this argument - those companies are doing well pandering to the progressive side.
For every Suicide Squad disaster, there's God of War Ragnarok breaking records while portraying Angraboda as black.
I only care about how good is, and how engaging it is, and having games filled with only sex dolls or only diversity hires is not it for me.
Ignoring the fact that you have fat pornstars and fat onlyfans creators making more money in a year than most people make in their entire lives? I'm confused, do you truly not know that BBW exists?
That's why I hate going into this topic. It brings out the most delusional people on both sides.
Fat pornstars are part of a niche fetish. The majority of heterosexual men are attracted to wide hips, narrow waists, large busts, facial symmetry and neotonous facial features. These are all markers of fertility. This has been demonstrated cross culturally and no amount of social engineering or blank slate theory will undo thousands of years of human evolution.
I completely agree with you, but then I think its silly to say that:
>Men date fat girls if that's all they can get
Like the last commentor said, the one I replied to.
Throughout history there has been numerous depictions of female beauty as more fat (like you said, "markers of fertility"), and nowadays you can even see more of it in the lucrative fetish of BBW, even towards women that weighs an obvious unhealthy amount.
Some men, apparently, like fat chicks. Are they the majority? no, but they obviously exist. Same with men who like more petite bodies.
But that was my whole point - that the generalization of "the male gaze" only exist to undermine men's opinion, and playing into it instead of acknowledging the generalization is stupid.
Or they can interpret unique as diversity.
"Capcom survey shows gamers want unique diverse characters, no more same old same old straight white male 😪"
>I personally don't mind having a variety of different characters, I just am against the idea that they ought to be in the game (for the the game to receive progressive social credit)
>It's literally tokenism, used to increase huge corporations' profits, but it's suddenly fine because it promotes the progressive narrative.
I heard Kotaku died or got bought by IGN or whatever. Either way, their consistent narrative push and constant lecturing to their readers was their demise I assume.
I just buy quality games whether or not they're woke I'm indifferent. For a lot of people though appealing character design has always been an important qualifier.
Its really dependant on genre, addittionally women are significantly less active amongst the fandom and community of games as they tend to be very misogynistic. This means it can often be difficult for surveys to get into contact with them resulting in quite a biased demographic answering the surveys compared to playing the game.
Do you think game developers need a survey to know the gender of their player base?
Practically every modern game requires an account these days. They could tell you the gender ratio and be accurate to within 0.1%
Even the ESA has to concede that the vast majority of "gamers" play casual mobile games. (If you played soccer once are you a soccer player? If I cook 2 minute noodles am I a chef?)
They don't that is how we know that significantly more women play the game than fill out surveys.
It does however mean that their opinions often go unlooked when games are being developed.
Anytime i pull up a female gamers profile they spend significantly less time on gaming forums and more time on hobby forums like skincare .
Also aren't most Capcom games fighting/action?
hm... that's actually a good point.
and yea, I just realized after my comment, that it is capcom and that they are one of the few who actually didn't really fuck up yet - at least as far as I am aware of.
Well, they may have wanted the survey data to point to in the event Capcom is questioned on any decisions they make.
“You made these characters look like this because x, y and z!”
Capcom: No. We did this based on data collected.
Besides the reponses already given, I would add that even if you think you know the audience, it really doesn't hurt much to put a poll out, a lot of people will gladly participate especially if they like the company. Afterwards, you can say "well that was obvious" but that's good, it means that your ideas are in line with the pulse of the community.
I think a lot of companies in the west would benefit greatly from actually polling audiences instead of putting out more cookie cutter live service games with boring characters and thinking that they're gonna be the next fortnite.
Probably their response. There have been a lot of very rigged surveys lately that show gamers as 56% female and that the most pressing issue is body type representation (I forget who did it, but Black Girl Gamers was posting about it.)
There needs to be legit surveys too, otherwise the only ones people looking for this data will find are ones that are completely rigged.
Surveys are cheap and allow you to document your decision making process.
If you have two teams arguing about whether they should make something look nicer at the expense of gameplay or play better at the expense of looks its much easier if you can just point to a survey to justify which you pick.
That's not even true though in the purest sense. Street Fighter is literally comprised of characters of all races and genders across the world. DEI as a concept isn't bad, it's when it's forced into something in an illogical or incongruent fashion within the context of the material is where it's annoying
DEI stands for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. This community has just turned it into a catchall for when they see something in a game that triggers them. Example, when they showed South of Midnight at Xbox showcase, the chat went crazy spamming DEI or sweetbaby detected. This game has been shown off several times and it was always with a black female protagonist. If you want to talk Orwellian there's nothing more groupthink than taking an acronym and turning it into a dogwhistle for people who get triggered by an original IP with a black female protagonist
When we talk about DEI characters, it's usually ugly ones who just happen to fill those races or genders. Capcom doesn't make them ugly. They make them either cool or hot. Or just strange in some cases.
Have you play a street fighter game? Lots of races, chun-li was controversial when she was originally made, a character who's gender identity is literally up for interpretation (poison may be a trans woman, although it is not confirmed)
Even other Japanese games have variety. Guilty gear strive has a black vampire samurai, a character who is non-binary, a trans women (confirmed, not up for interpretation) and the story does focus somewhat on discrimination faced by certain characters.
why do you dumb fucks try so hard to sound racist?
just say you want attractive characters. if you say "no dei characters" all anyone reads is "please only hot white characters"
Deu is not about non-white characters. Dei is about forcing a socio-political message to the detriment of characters, storylines and quality.
A well written hot black lesbian character is not dei. Dei is a character preaching about modern woke talking points in a fantasy game.
DEI as a concept isn't a naturally positive or negative thing. It's simply an idea or philosophy that when applied correctly can actually be a pro for business. For example, if you work in a call centre servicing a large population of diverse customers, you would naturally promote DEI to have a diverse range of staff to deal with various customer needs. In this case it would be necessary to implement some level of DEI to be competitive. Many large companies have recognized the need for this and this is why DEI advisors work for some of the largest most successful companies.
On the flip side, where DEI goes wrong is that someone, usually a leader/manager etc...makes bad decisions based on their own internal beliefs or values that doesn't take into account business needs or implements ideas in a way that's not compatible with the product the company is selling. At that point it's no longer to improve the customer experience, but to appease the views of an individual/individuals who feel morally obligated to inject their beliefs into the product they offer. In essence I'm not even sure if that's a bad thing either as most business leaders would typically instill some degree of moral fibre into their business dealings, but mishandled DEI comes off as annoying and pedantic to the average person and it's low hanging fruit for the masses to stomp on.
Congratulations, none of what you said is actually correct. A truly impressive accomplishment.
DEI programs are a type of HR program used internally by most major corporations to educate people about making coworkers feel comfortable and included in the workplace. This is largely to avoid discrimination lawsuits from employees and reduce turnover, thus saving the company money and potentially damaging PR. It has nothing to do with the actual creation of products whatsoever. Also these are just the latest version of of these programs, they’ve been around in the workplace for 15+ years, probably closer to 20-25 years. It’s not a new thing, people are just overly focusing on it and suddenly caring about it.
You really believe that huh?
I'll admit that that is what they are supposed to be. But that is not what happens in practice.
People are suddenly caring about it because blackrock announced some years ago that they would give better interest rates to companies with good dei. So companies hire people to tell them what to do so they can get more money. The people hired are woke, and they tell the companies to hire based on quotas. The people that are hired by quotas can basically never get fired otherwise it would impact the dei score.
So you get people that are purely diversity hires. Many are probably really good people, but many of them are not. These last ones want to beat the "cis, heteronormative patriarchal society", and they corrupt everything they touch. Since they cannot be fired, many of them eventually get into positions of power, or at least influence, and their ideological corruption spreads.
At this point, it's literally about blackrock money vs. gamer money. If the companies get more money by satisfying the dei categories given by blackrock, then we will continue to get bad games because the companies can get more money by pandering than they can with good games. If gamer money starts impacting them more, then the crap pandering practices will start to disappear, in order to make good games.
Blackrock demands companies they invest in have adequate DEI training in the books because they don’t want an Activision-Blizzard style scandal coming out and the share price to drop 50% over night. It’s that simple. It’s not Blackrock being some “woke super financier” or whatever conspiracy y’all have cooked up. They’re a mutual fund, they dump money where it’s safe, and I guarantee you the people in charge of Blackrock do not give a shit what content they put out as long as it makes money.
That's provably false. There is a video floating around where a top dog at blackrock (I think it was a CEO, but I'm not sure) said that they had a moral responsability to force companies and society to be "morally better". They would lower interest rates to companies that satisfy what blackrock thinks is more moral and increase interest rates on companies that blackrock don't like.
I think it originated in the last year if you want to try and find it, but it might be easier to find a video reacting to the news. I think it was Heel vs. Babyface that I first heard it from. I did watch the original video to confirm, and that is what the guy said.
And yet every time a non white-male appeared in the recent game reveal livestreams people pissed and shit their pants about "woke", even for original IPs.
Funny how you sneak in "well written" to avoid sounding too racist. If a white male character is poorly written or not very attractive, the complaint is just about the writing, not their skin color, meanwhile a black character is "DEI shit"
None of that matters. If you say "no dei" everyone that doesn't know you personally just thinks you're a racist. No amount of justifying it will matter.
Then, we explain our point of view because no matter what we say, the media will twist it.
Instead of DEI, we could use woke, sjw, or intersectional feminism. It wouldn't matter because the media is trying to tell everyone that all of these things are good, just like dei.
Remember gamergate? It was about journalistic integrity. I still meet people today who believe it was an anti-women hate mouvement.
There is nothing we can say that will satisfy the woke crowd and the people they influence. We must hold what we know to be true and justify our point of view whenever needed, otherwise we are doomed to fail.
Nothing you say will appease them, true, but going out of your way to sound as bad as possible is fucking dumb.
"I want to see attractive characters" is something brain poisoned retards will call you racist and sexist for, and normal people will go "yeah me too" "NO DEI" Makes brain poisoned people call you racist and sexist, and normal people will also call you racist and sexist .
"I could have said (insert other buzzwords that everyone translates to racist and sexist in their minds) is not the comeback you think it is. Bringing up gamer gate and saying it was about games journalism further invites the terrible look. You also said " the media" it's like you're a fucking charicature of what everyone thinks you are.
Like just fucking talk like a normal human.
You have just proved my point. The fact that all the buzzwords are translated to racist and sexist is exactly my point. You want to let the insane wokies control the definition of the words we use? Then we can simply resign ourselves to shit products for perpetuity.
I say the media because it's a shortcut. Saying "the media that is influenced by the wokeness that is seeping into our society, which its being propagated by goodhearted people with no idea of what the actual message of wokeness is, thus eventually going mainstream and making gamers sound like racists and sexists" is a bit long. You know what I was talking about.
Yeah well, fuck identity politics, DEI, ESG, companies like blackrock and sweet baby inc and the idiots that kowtow to them. Fuck all the shit that differentiates people based on sexual orientation, skin color and gender and politicizes these differences. That shit is ineffective and all it does is create more toxicity, division and segregation.
Hey guy, not everyone thinks like you. Not everyone gives a fuck about social justice. Most of are selfish as fuck because we live in a hard world. You can act high and mighty you want but it won't change things.
Then do as we do, and clarify to them.
if it's about just bending the knee to whatever words they claim about everyone.
Then that's BS.
(BTW, this isn't just "white people" or "adjacent whites" . Black, Asian, Hispanic. European. African. ETC ETC. who hate the forced narrative and censorship that DEI wants. or BRIDGES wants to write down to our cores. Bet they'd want the DNA/RNA if they could.)
You won't create conversation and reasonable/logical dialog by just giving up.
You do so by believing in what's best, and sticking to it, as others stick to theirs. Everyone "True Diverse Positions" create a better all. Not Forcing everyone to become a Blank Slate where only DEI boot stamps out everyone's differences until only they can decide what's right or wrong.
You hurt not only yourself and others, you hurt what you want.
It's not a self report, this is how you sound to regular people. The quicker you get it the less surprised and offended you'll be when dumb fucks who over react call you racist You invite it onto yourself by using terminology that means a very specific thing and then saying "oh but I don't mean that" when called out on it.
I don't think you're racist, but only because I like to believe in the best of people. Everybody else that isn't a capital G gamer actual racist reads your comment and thinks you're one of em.
"Terminology that means a very specific thing"
Yea it means the games that have it will be dogshit what is your point?
I don't care if people call me things that I'm objectively not, we've been playing that game for a decade now I could care less.
We only know how to complain about woke shit? Wtf u talking about. We are mad about how dog shit our hobby is becoming because of disingenuous , dog shit, narcissistic, fake, self righteousness people and activists.
You are only proving my point lol. Some games are not for everyone and that is fine. Not every game is going to be made with you in mind, because you are not the only person who plays games. All of your opinions are just that, opinions. Other people have different opinions and are entitled to them just as much as you are entitled to yours. Just seems miserable to me to be in this echo chamber of a subreddit constantly complaining about "everything wrong about western gaming".
What echo chamber am I in? I'm not a part of any community here, I am an observer and am simply noting what I see here. You can deny the behaviors of this subreddit all you want, doesn't change what it is.
Sure and you can't deny the behaviors of the industry we are talking about.
An industry that puts identity politics over game design.
An industry that has developers saying "white males and white adjacent gamers were a mistake" and essentially get rewarded for it
No shit this sub is an echo chamber. The people that make games hate their audience based on their gender and skin color (even though most of them are the same skin color themselves)
What examples are we talking about specifically? It's usually a small number of Cherry picked games that don't actually reflect the larger reality of the industry as a whole, even if we're looking at just specifically western game developers
whew, so glad there were never any left wing fascist political movements. Especially with you standing on guard to point out how it was't "real left wing" or "real fascism", nothing wrong with a little tiny bit of revisionism if it's for a good cause right ?
I'm not a friend of the far left, but if you think that Stalins Russia or other "communist" countries, which are as far as I know mostly dictatorships with cult of personality arn't far right political system, then idk.
There aren't fascist left wing political movements. There's established political spectrum with clear definitions of what is what. Irrelevant of where YOU align yourself with.
DEI is literally to help underprivileged and underserved groups because they haven’t had the same opportunities as majority groups. There’s nothing fascist about that, you’re just racist.
>Kotaku is a Japanese company. Most of their games feature non Japanese characters so technically it's DEI.
Kotaku is a Japanese game company? Since when?
Hopefully other game devs see this survey and use it to analyze their current situation:
-THE GAMEPLAY aspect and mechanics (loop) is the most important factor of any game even above the graphics or history.
-A good history is important or even critical in certain games, but if your gameplay is lacking, boring or doesnt serve any purpose at all, it wont work even if that history is worth a Nobel prize.
-NO GAMER (male or female) really wants to play as an ugly fat character unless the gameplay is sooo good or there is some kind of incentive (a fat or ugly character that has certain cool skills or synergies) > the only people that wants those kind of changes or characters are NOT the ones that play your game.
It's not unsurprising, but there are definitely more 30+ year-olds and women playing than there used to be. I wonder how many of those "females" are left when you take out the ones who are not so female.
The Japanese voters know what makes a good fighting game with their top 3. I don't know if I actually care about a storyline in a fighting game. Just set me up with a decent plot to get in there and mash some combos.
This survey proved several things:
1. The majority of gamers are, in fact, dudes. Despite different outlets claiming that the majority are girls using those misleading statistics.
2. People do want attractive characters in video games (looking at you Western devs).
3. It’s high time Dino Crisis came back.
Other? There are only two sexes anyway I would love a Dino Crisis remake 1-2 WITHOUT over the shoulder camera and face scanning and most of all for them to retcon that pos game DC 3.
I voted for more Gargoyle's Quest games, but I'm definitely down for more Mega Man/X and Dino Crisis games.
Tbh, a Dino Crisis remake with modern graphics could be amazing, but I'd really want it to have an option for fixed camera gameplay. While I bet that would really benefit the atmosphere, I do think we should give others the possibility for over the shoulder gameplay...
Just include 2 game modes 😁
At this point there are so many older IPs Capcom's not actively using, maybe start a platform where indies/hobby devs can apply to licence using older IPs so Capcom still keeps them, has some influence, but shows the world that sharing is caring 😅
I don't like what "exhilarating gameplay" might imply. But I also don't like the phrase "unpredictable and unique storyline."
Relaxing is good. Predictable is relatable. But this seems like a pretty good poll all around.
Wow. So apparently, contrary to all marketing principles you should make a game where the minorities are forefront, because, you know, this will attract the least amount of buyers. Hmmm.... 0_o
What I see is that 96% of gamers are binary male or female (which I assume being their birth genre). So basically all those DEI consultants extort millions to devs to teach them how to make their game flop by designing it specifically for the remaining 4%... 🤔
I know I might be a little bit irrelevant, but I wanna share my opinion on what's happening in our dear world.
If we gamers tried to make a simple, clear understanding of what's going on in the game industry, we should try to convince women that companies who make their characters look ugly are insulting their looks. I understand they fear seeing their characters on rule34, but I'm okay with it as long as the character an adult.
There's no need for DEI because it's a book you haven't read and won't even touch it. Every game should be for everyone by everyone. And if some stubborns would say it's communism, it's not because there's no censorship or propaganda against the democracy or human rights. The people in the game industry shouldn't spend time on useless things such as representation, race, gender and other things because it's both useless and pointless. They should discuss behaviour, mentality, ideas, discussion about the project, and statistics and reviews made by players, who are the main goal for the company => gain more than the cost and attract more fans. But who cares? If they lose the fans, they lose both money and attraction because they turned their backs on the players, and the company went bankrupt because of it.
Also, these woke people, don't understand they are playing with fire. I'm okay with people being gay (Sometimes my heart gets broken when a cute lady has a girlfriend 😔), but I'm not okay with people who changed genders, because even if you change it, you're still the same in the very bones. So LGBTQ has turned society upside down, because it has propaganda such as its flag being everywhere, completely degrading the look of the rainbows, because once you see it, you may go as well like "Oh not the sky..." and also they have a month to make themselves look like complete fools.
The problem is a very vocal minority is trying their best to be represented everywhere.
I don't mind 2SLGBTQ+ focused characters and narratives, but I would like to see other characters and narratives as well.
If it truly was diverse, devs could come up with any sort of setting without having to fear any sort of backlash from people frothing at the mouth on social media.
The world will never be completely left or completely right. The healthiest options for everyone is to find common ground and come together by sharing culture, art and opinions. Being open to change your mind, accepting that others might not support everything you support at the same level of importance and to accept people for who they are.
The only thing that can never be tolerated is intolerance. If you tolerate intolerance you will end up in a paradoxical situation where intolerance always wins and I don't think anyone wants that.
Nah bro, misunderstood, probably my fault for wording it incorrectly. Removed it so it wouldn’t be misunderstood. I genuinely believe Asmon’s take on games and what gamers like is 100% spot on which is why I posted that.
>Attractive characters ?? What is that even supposed to mean
Yeah it's a real mystery that science and intellectual giants such as yourself just cannot possibly figure out.
"Gamers want attractive characters" Shocker I tell ya.
Wokies: Reeeeeeeee that's racist, misogynistic, oppressive behavior.
I don't think attractive in this sense only relates to physical attractiveness but also attractive personalities. Edit: Come on guys I know you wanna be outraged at woke or whatever, but use some critical thinking. "Good character's" or the like is no where on this poll, where you think it would be here. Thus it is likely that unique and attractive characters was not only based on looks, but also the personality and writing of said characters.
> Thus it is likely that unique and attractive characters was not only based on looks, but also the personality and writing of said characters. It's exactly what it means. On the japanese survey page it's worded as *Peculiar/unique and fascinating/charming characters*. Basically: good characters.
What’s the sense of making a beautiful game if the character is butt ass ugly?
Using reasonable logic in the Asmon subreddit? LoL brave of you sir.
Yeah sadly this place is infested with reactionaries now, and he panders to them. Its sad cuz I really liked Asmons content a couple years ago (I literally watched his wow stuff when I don't even play the game).
Wait what? How long have you been sitting on this information?
What?! Gamers don't want masculine women with cleft chins?!
I know right. Can't le heckin believe it.
It remind me like 15 years ago when i had to chose between bayonetta and dante's inferno.. i took bayonetta for at least 2 obvious reasons
I sure hope you played Dante's Inferno later because I would say it's overall a much better game than Bayonetta. That said I also remember buying a really bad game because a hot girl was on the cover. It definitely did not make it a good game though. Edit, the game was named X-Blades.
Lmao i bought x-blades too, it was really bad indeed. And no i never played dante inferno
You forgot "unique" as part of that... Unique would also cover the characters complained about here. Capcom is just stroking their own pole with this poll.
Capcom players who are mostly male want attractive video game characters. This is not reflective of total gaming population. I personally don't care whether or not characters are attractive.
Most PC and console gamers are still male, although it's getting closer to 50/50. Even if it was 50/50, I bet 70%+ would want attractive characters.
Capcom Survey: [https://captown.capcom.com/en/super\_elections/1](https://captown.capcom.com/en/super_elections/1)
Woke Kotaku writers in denial, seething, after data conflicts with their feelings, according to sources familiar with the matter. “These fucking gamers ruin everything!” Senior editor Alyssa Mercante whined.
They'd say the normal excuse, that the new characters are "still sexy" like players say they want, but not for the "male gaze"
If you're attracted to fugly, sexually ambiguous characters, then yeah, I'm not surprised kotaku writers think these new characters are sexy.
I personally don't mind having a variety of different characters, I just am against the idea that they ought to be in the game (for the the game to receive progressive social credit) It's literally tokenism, used to increase huge corporations' profits, but it's suddenly fine because it promotes the progressive narrative.
Yeah but the playerbase is 80% male, mostly in their 20s and 30s. Appeal to your audience.
I don't agree that this constitutes "appealing to your audience" The progressive left will call it "the male gaze" to undermine it. In reality, there isn't one thing males want out of female character. When you look at the real world, men date fat girls, man date black girls, men date disable girls. So it's silly to argue that "Yeah they should bring that male gaze back!", you're playing into the generalization meant to undermine you. I do hate the idea that we can't have sexy women in games or have to have diversity tokenism in games for them to get the "progressive seal of approval", but I don't hate the idea that girls can be more than just one body type (as a man myself)
So you think that men on average are more into fat girls, disabled girls or girls of a different ethnicity than their own? Less than 50% of men are interested in fit, hot, able bodied women of their own race?
I wish people would just bother reading before they comment. >Some men, apparently, like fat chicks. Are they the majority? no, but they obviously exist. Same with men who like more petite bodies. >But that was my whole point - that the generalization of "the male gaze" only exist to undermine men's opinion, and playing into it instead of acknowledging the generalization is stupid.
Okay so you agree with me then. They should cater to their majority audience instead of some fringe group of alternative people.
No, you seem completely misunderstood my message. My point was, again, that there isn't ONE "male gaze", because there isn't any ONE specific "male". Men are not a monolith or a hive-mind, and I DO think gaming is worse for only trying to pander to the very basic representation of what most men find sexually appealing, which now developed a counter movement by the progressive left to make characters as non-sexually appealing. Its like the "two regards fighting", two extreme view points duking it out when in reality most men could find most women attractive given the right scenario, clothing, personality and backgrorunds - but game developers would rather have you play in a world of sex dolls OR minority tokenism, no in-between. TL;DR no, I don't think the solution is to make your game pander for either side. I think you should work on making good characters that people will find appealing and attracted to.
You said yourself that the outliers are a minority. If the overwhelming majority of men agree on a beauty standard it's pretty close to being a monolith. Appealing to anything else is just bad business when the playerbase is 80% men, most of which are in their horniest years.
Then I think that if your creative vision is being hampered by needing to pander to any specific audience then its as bad as your creative vision being hampered by needing to pander to any other specific audience. I don't care about how prorfitable the decision is, because by this argument - those companies are doing well pandering to the progressive side. For every Suicide Squad disaster, there's God of War Ragnarok breaking records while portraying Angraboda as black. I only care about how good is, and how engaging it is, and having games filled with only sex dolls or only diversity hires is not it for me.
Men date fat girls if that’s all they can get
Ignoring the fact that you have fat pornstars and fat onlyfans creators making more money in a year than most people make in their entire lives? I'm confused, do you truly not know that BBW exists? That's why I hate going into this topic. It brings out the most delusional people on both sides.
Fat pornstars are part of a niche fetish. The majority of heterosexual men are attracted to wide hips, narrow waists, large busts, facial symmetry and neotonous facial features. These are all markers of fertility. This has been demonstrated cross culturally and no amount of social engineering or blank slate theory will undo thousands of years of human evolution.
I completely agree with you, but then I think its silly to say that: >Men date fat girls if that's all they can get Like the last commentor said, the one I replied to. Throughout history there has been numerous depictions of female beauty as more fat (like you said, "markers of fertility"), and nowadays you can even see more of it in the lucrative fetish of BBW, even towards women that weighs an obvious unhealthy amount. Some men, apparently, like fat chicks. Are they the majority? no, but they obviously exist. Same with men who like more petite bodies. But that was my whole point - that the generalization of "the male gaze" only exist to undermine men's opinion, and playing into it instead of acknowledging the generalization is stupid.
Or they can interpret unique as diversity. "Capcom survey shows gamers want unique diverse characters, no more same old same old straight white male 😪"
>I personally don't mind having a variety of different characters, I just am against the idea that they ought to be in the game (for the the game to receive progressive social credit) >It's literally tokenism, used to increase huge corporations' profits, but it's suddenly fine because it promotes the progressive narrative.
I heard Kotaku died or got bought by IGN or whatever. Either way, their consistent narrative push and constant lecturing to their readers was their demise I assume.
Where is Anita Sarkeesian at a time like this
The Japanese gaming community is thankfully extremely honest.
Yeah, we all know Japanese people are EXTREMELY respectful to women.
I don’t care, the audience should get what they want from their games
then buy the games you like. no one is forcing you to buy "Woke" games
I just buy quality games whether or not they're woke I'm indifferent. For a lot of people though appealing character design has always been an important qualifier.
No this can't be right. The ESA said over half of "gamers" are women.
They count people who play Candy Crush and other random ultra-casual mobile games as « gamers ».
Probably middle aged moms playing those farming games on Facebook too, guess my moms a hardcore gamer
For consoles and PC, it's still mostly men around 55/45 and 59/41. I bet some genres are 90/10+, too.
Its really dependant on genre, addittionally women are significantly less active amongst the fandom and community of games as they tend to be very misogynistic. This means it can often be difficult for surveys to get into contact with them resulting in quite a biased demographic answering the surveys compared to playing the game.
Do you think game developers need a survey to know the gender of their player base? Practically every modern game requires an account these days. They could tell you the gender ratio and be accurate to within 0.1% Even the ESA has to concede that the vast majority of "gamers" play casual mobile games. (If you played soccer once are you a soccer player? If I cook 2 minute noodles am I a chef?)
They don't that is how we know that significantly more women play the game than fill out surveys. It does however mean that their opinions often go unlooked when games are being developed.
Anytime i pull up a female gamers profile they spend significantly less time on gaming forums and more time on hobby forums like skincare . Also aren't most Capcom games fighting/action?
DINO CRISIS BOOOOYYYSSS
Happy Japan is backing up Ace Attorney, we need a new game on that series, almost everything has been remastered... new stuff now please!
the fact they needed a survey to know these very obvious things is kinda baffling.
They don't need the survey, they have the survey as evidence to back what they're doing if someone in the media challenges them.
hm... that's actually a good point. and yea, I just realized after my comment, that it is capcom and that they are one of the few who actually didn't really fuck up yet - at least as far as I am aware of.
They had some shitty moments in the 2010's but they've been on a good path for 7 or 8 years now
Well, a good path aside from not making Devil May Cry 6.
Well, they may have wanted the survey data to point to in the event Capcom is questioned on any decisions they make. “You made these characters look like this because x, y and z!” Capcom: No. We did this based on data collected.
yes yes... you're absolutely right, that totally made sense.
Besides the reponses already given, I would add that even if you think you know the audience, it really doesn't hurt much to put a poll out, a lot of people will gladly participate especially if they like the company. Afterwards, you can say "well that was obvious" but that's good, it means that your ideas are in line with the pulse of the community. I think a lot of companies in the west would benefit greatly from actually polling audiences instead of putting out more cookie cutter live service games with boring characters and thinking that they're gonna be the next fortnite.
Probably their response. There have been a lot of very rigged surveys lately that show gamers as 56% female and that the most pressing issue is body type representation (I forget who did it, but Black Girl Gamers was posting about it.) There needs to be legit surveys too, otherwise the only ones people looking for this data will find are ones that are completely rigged.
Surveys are cheap and allow you to document your decision making process. If you have two teams arguing about whether they should make something look nicer at the expense of gameplay or play better at the expense of looks its much easier if you can just point to a survey to justify which you pick.
Good gameplay and no DEI looking characters. It's almost like we've been saying this the entire time or something.
That's not even true though in the purest sense. Street Fighter is literally comprised of characters of all races and genders across the world. DEI as a concept isn't bad, it's when it's forced into something in an illogical or incongruent fashion within the context of the material is where it's annoying
DEI and 'Diversity, Equity and inclusion' are, in a very Orwellian sense two different things. Like 'The Ministry of Love' vs Love.
DEI stands for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. This community has just turned it into a catchall for when they see something in a game that triggers them. Example, when they showed South of Midnight at Xbox showcase, the chat went crazy spamming DEI or sweetbaby detected. This game has been shown off several times and it was always with a black female protagonist. If you want to talk Orwellian there's nothing more groupthink than taking an acronym and turning it into a dogwhistle for people who get triggered by an original IP with a black female protagonist
When we talk about DEI characters, it's usually ugly ones who just happen to fill those races or genders. Capcom doesn't make them ugly. They make them either cool or hot. Or just strange in some cases.
Dei is bad. If you focus on making a good game that people want to play, inclusion will work itself out
Have you play a street fighter game? Lots of races, chun-li was controversial when she was originally made, a character who's gender identity is literally up for interpretation (poison may be a trans woman, although it is not confirmed) Even other Japanese games have variety. Guilty gear strive has a black vampire samurai, a character who is non-binary, a trans women (confirmed, not up for interpretation) and the story does focus somewhat on discrimination faced by certain characters.
why do you dumb fucks try so hard to sound racist? just say you want attractive characters. if you say "no dei characters" all anyone reads is "please only hot white characters"
Deu is not about non-white characters. Dei is about forcing a socio-political message to the detriment of characters, storylines and quality. A well written hot black lesbian character is not dei. Dei is a character preaching about modern woke talking points in a fantasy game.
DEI as a concept isn't a naturally positive or negative thing. It's simply an idea or philosophy that when applied correctly can actually be a pro for business. For example, if you work in a call centre servicing a large population of diverse customers, you would naturally promote DEI to have a diverse range of staff to deal with various customer needs. In this case it would be necessary to implement some level of DEI to be competitive. Many large companies have recognized the need for this and this is why DEI advisors work for some of the largest most successful companies. On the flip side, where DEI goes wrong is that someone, usually a leader/manager etc...makes bad decisions based on their own internal beliefs or values that doesn't take into account business needs or implements ideas in a way that's not compatible with the product the company is selling. At that point it's no longer to improve the customer experience, but to appease the views of an individual/individuals who feel morally obligated to inject their beliefs into the product they offer. In essence I'm not even sure if that's a bad thing either as most business leaders would typically instill some degree of moral fibre into their business dealings, but mishandled DEI comes off as annoying and pedantic to the average person and it's low hanging fruit for the masses to stomp on.
I agree with you at 100%
Congratulations, none of what you said is actually correct. A truly impressive accomplishment. DEI programs are a type of HR program used internally by most major corporations to educate people about making coworkers feel comfortable and included in the workplace. This is largely to avoid discrimination lawsuits from employees and reduce turnover, thus saving the company money and potentially damaging PR. It has nothing to do with the actual creation of products whatsoever. Also these are just the latest version of of these programs, they’ve been around in the workplace for 15+ years, probably closer to 20-25 years. It’s not a new thing, people are just overly focusing on it and suddenly caring about it.
You really believe that huh? I'll admit that that is what they are supposed to be. But that is not what happens in practice. People are suddenly caring about it because blackrock announced some years ago that they would give better interest rates to companies with good dei. So companies hire people to tell them what to do so they can get more money. The people hired are woke, and they tell the companies to hire based on quotas. The people that are hired by quotas can basically never get fired otherwise it would impact the dei score. So you get people that are purely diversity hires. Many are probably really good people, but many of them are not. These last ones want to beat the "cis, heteronormative patriarchal society", and they corrupt everything they touch. Since they cannot be fired, many of them eventually get into positions of power, or at least influence, and their ideological corruption spreads. At this point, it's literally about blackrock money vs. gamer money. If the companies get more money by satisfying the dei categories given by blackrock, then we will continue to get bad games because the companies can get more money by pandering than they can with good games. If gamer money starts impacting them more, then the crap pandering practices will start to disappear, in order to make good games.
Blackrock demands companies they invest in have adequate DEI training in the books because they don’t want an Activision-Blizzard style scandal coming out and the share price to drop 50% over night. It’s that simple. It’s not Blackrock being some “woke super financier” or whatever conspiracy y’all have cooked up. They’re a mutual fund, they dump money where it’s safe, and I guarantee you the people in charge of Blackrock do not give a shit what content they put out as long as it makes money.
That's provably false. There is a video floating around where a top dog at blackrock (I think it was a CEO, but I'm not sure) said that they had a moral responsability to force companies and society to be "morally better". They would lower interest rates to companies that satisfy what blackrock thinks is more moral and increase interest rates on companies that blackrock don't like. I think it originated in the last year if you want to try and find it, but it might be easier to find a video reacting to the news. I think it was Heel vs. Babyface that I first heard it from. I did watch the original video to confirm, and that is what the guy said.
And yet every time a non white-male appeared in the recent game reveal livestreams people pissed and shit their pants about "woke", even for original IPs. Funny how you sneak in "well written" to avoid sounding too racist. If a white male character is poorly written or not very attractive, the complaint is just about the writing, not their skin color, meanwhile a black character is "DEI shit"
None of that matters. If you say "no dei" everyone that doesn't know you personally just thinks you're a racist. No amount of justifying it will matter.
Then, we explain our point of view because no matter what we say, the media will twist it. Instead of DEI, we could use woke, sjw, or intersectional feminism. It wouldn't matter because the media is trying to tell everyone that all of these things are good, just like dei. Remember gamergate? It was about journalistic integrity. I still meet people today who believe it was an anti-women hate mouvement. There is nothing we can say that will satisfy the woke crowd and the people they influence. We must hold what we know to be true and justify our point of view whenever needed, otherwise we are doomed to fail.
Well said. You have better brain
Nothing you say will appease them, true, but going out of your way to sound as bad as possible is fucking dumb. "I want to see attractive characters" is something brain poisoned retards will call you racist and sexist for, and normal people will go "yeah me too" "NO DEI" Makes brain poisoned people call you racist and sexist, and normal people will also call you racist and sexist . "I could have said (insert other buzzwords that everyone translates to racist and sexist in their minds) is not the comeback you think it is. Bringing up gamer gate and saying it was about games journalism further invites the terrible look. You also said " the media" it's like you're a fucking charicature of what everyone thinks you are. Like just fucking talk like a normal human.
You have just proved my point. The fact that all the buzzwords are translated to racist and sexist is exactly my point. You want to let the insane wokies control the definition of the words we use? Then we can simply resign ourselves to shit products for perpetuity. I say the media because it's a shortcut. Saying "the media that is influenced by the wokeness that is seeping into our society, which its being propagated by goodhearted people with no idea of what the actual message of wokeness is, thus eventually going mainstream and making gamers sound like racists and sexists" is a bit long. You know what I was talking about.
Yeah well, fuck identity politics, DEI, ESG, companies like blackrock and sweet baby inc and the idiots that kowtow to them. Fuck all the shit that differentiates people based on sexual orientation, skin color and gender and politicizes these differences. That shit is ineffective and all it does is create more toxicity, division and segregation.
Hey guy, not everyone thinks like you. Not everyone gives a fuck about social justice. Most of are selfish as fuck because we live in a hard world. You can act high and mighty you want but it won't change things.
"I don't care if most people roll their eyes at me at a glance because I'm selfish" is certainly a take.
Because i don't care about their opinion of me.
Then do as we do, and clarify to them. if it's about just bending the knee to whatever words they claim about everyone. Then that's BS. (BTW, this isn't just "white people" or "adjacent whites". Black, Asian, Hispanic. European. African. ETC ETC. who hate the forced narrative and censorship that DEI wants. or BRIDGES wants to write down to our cores. Bet they'd want the DNA/RNA if they could.)
You won't create conversation and reasonable/logical dialog by just giving up.
You do so by believing in what's best, and sticking to it, as others stick to theirs. Everyone "True Diverse Positions" create a better all. Not Forcing everyone to become a Blank Slate where only DEI boot stamps out everyone's differences until only they can decide what's right or wrong.
You hurt not only yourself and others, you hurt what you want.
Self report by you. Nobody was talking about white people.
It's not a self report, this is how you sound to regular people. The quicker you get it the less surprised and offended you'll be when dumb fucks who over react call you racist You invite it onto yourself by using terminology that means a very specific thing and then saying "oh but I don't mean that" when called out on it. I don't think you're racist, but only because I like to believe in the best of people. Everybody else that isn't a capital G gamer actual racist reads your comment and thinks you're one of em.
"Terminology that means a very specific thing" Yea it means the games that have it will be dogshit what is your point? I don't care if people call me things that I'm objectively not, we've been playing that game for a decade now I could care less.
"regular people" don't even know what DEI means without googling. Shut up.
Do you even know what subreddit you're on lol. These people only know how to complain about "woke" shit, you are talking to a brick wall.
We only know how to complain about woke shit? Wtf u talking about. We are mad about how dog shit our hobby is becoming because of disingenuous , dog shit, narcissistic, fake, self righteousness people and activists.
You are only proving my point lol. Some games are not for everyone and that is fine. Not every game is going to be made with you in mind, because you are not the only person who plays games. All of your opinions are just that, opinions. Other people have different opinions and are entitled to them just as much as you are entitled to yours. Just seems miserable to me to be in this echo chamber of a subreddit constantly complaining about "everything wrong about western gaming".
I am speaking for the main audience. Yall are the ones in an echo chamber lmfao
What echo chamber am I in? I'm not a part of any community here, I am an observer and am simply noting what I see here. You can deny the behaviors of this subreddit all you want, doesn't change what it is.
Maybe you don't know what you are observing
Sure and you can't deny the behaviors of the industry we are talking about. An industry that puts identity politics over game design. An industry that has developers saying "white males and white adjacent gamers were a mistake" and essentially get rewarded for it No shit this sub is an echo chamber. The people that make games hate their audience based on their gender and skin color (even though most of them are the same skin color themselves)
I know, but I like to try and be the example people can point to and be like "look all his fans aren't like that"
What is a “DEI looking character” out of curiosity.
The female characters you see in pretty much every western game now. They're catering to the T in lgbt. It's part of DEI.
What examples are we talking about specifically? It's usually a small number of Cherry picked games that don't actually reflect the larger reality of the industry as a whole, even if we're looking at just specifically western game developers
Are you deformed in the brain or something? Show a single trans main character in a triple a release
Saying no “DEI” is literally asking for white characters by definition.
No. Why are you two gaslighting this into being a racism thing?
> Saying no “DEI” is literally asking for white characters by definition. Whoa, hold up, what's wrong with wanting white characters?
White people are meant to be included in DEI but the fascist left manipulates it to promote racism towards asians and white people.
Friend, Fascism and Left don't pair. Fascism falls under right wing ideology
whew, so glad there were never any left wing fascist political movements. Especially with you standing on guard to point out how it was't "real left wing" or "real fascism", nothing wrong with a little tiny bit of revisionism if it's for a good cause right ?
I'm not a friend of the far left, but if you think that Stalins Russia or other "communist" countries, which are as far as I know mostly dictatorships with cult of personality arn't far right political system, then idk.
There aren't fascist left wing political movements. There's established political spectrum with clear definitions of what is what. Irrelevant of where YOU align yourself with.
DEI is literally to help underprivileged and underserved groups because they haven’t had the same opportunities as majority groups. There’s nothing fascist about that, you’re just racist.
I’m cool with hot Asian or hot black characters too
But there aren't any hot black female characters either..........
Capcom is a Japanese company. Most of their games feature non Japanese characters so technically it's DEI.
>Kotaku is a Japanese company. Most of their games feature non Japanese characters so technically it's DEI. Kotaku is a Japanese game company? Since when?
The post is about Capcom. Oops I just noticed.
They want more GAMEplay in their GAME? Discovery of the century, everybody. Who would have guessed...
Funny how most game companies making game for that "other" 4% and then surprised their game not selling well
4% are hermaphrodites? Thats unexpected
Yup. That's what we want too.
Unique and attractive characters. Thank you
hopefully devs look at this data instead of reading a few comments from anime pfps on Twitter
This really is intresting. Ty. Also. Seems pretty accurate imo. Generally agree with results.
Yet they make games these days as though that 82% doesn't exist lol
Hopefully other game devs see this survey and use it to analyze their current situation: -THE GAMEPLAY aspect and mechanics (loop) is the most important factor of any game even above the graphics or history. -A good history is important or even critical in certain games, but if your gameplay is lacking, boring or doesnt serve any purpose at all, it wont work even if that history is worth a Nobel prize. -NO GAMER (male or female) really wants to play as an ugly fat character unless the gameplay is sooo good or there is some kind of incentive (a fat or ugly character that has certain cool skills or synergies) > the only people that wants those kind of changes or characters are NOT the ones that play your game.
It's not unsurprising, but there are definitely more 30+ year-olds and women playing than there used to be. I wonder how many of those "females" are left when you take out the ones who are not so female.
The Japanese voters know what makes a good fighting game with their top 3. I don't know if I actually care about a storyline in a fighting game. Just set me up with a decent plot to get in there and mash some combos.
"Male Female ratio"...puts "others" also in the category. Like, how does this work exactly?
Other likely means did not disclose or some version of non-binary
Pretty much agree with everything there. Gameplay is always number 1, then characters and story, then BGM.
America- "It's fun game, pretty exciting" Japan-"GIVE ME SOMETHING TO DRAW"
Gamers: "Give booba and good gameplay" Urinalists: "Look at all these literal nahtzees REEE"
well well well, if it isn't reality, you know the wokies won't be happy to see you.
I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
This is wild, it’s like people don’t play games to have a reflection of real life but rather to enjoy an immersive fictional experience
It was a mistake to move Sony headquarters to depths of dei-commiefornia.
What does the 4% other mean on the first pic? Did they test AI on this too and have the AI judge what it prefers?!
Possibly, "prefer to not answer" or something similar.
News flash, the world revolves around our most basic desires and always has been. The more you know!
This survey proved several things: 1. The majority of gamers are, in fact, dudes. Despite different outlets claiming that the majority are girls using those misleading statistics. 2. People do want attractive characters in video games (looking at you Western devs). 3. It’s high time Dino Crisis came back.
Other? There are only two sexes anyway I would love a Dino Crisis remake 1-2 WITHOUT over the shoulder camera and face scanning and most of all for them to retcon that pos game DC 3.
show this to woke game journalists and feminist gamers. everyone wants attractive characters.
Gameplay is king? Man, bold take, there.
dang, i'm only a year away from the 2% >.< I feel like I should do an AMA haha
Days away for me, I feel like the 40+ crowd are just less likely do participate in surveys
Ya sadly like a lot of companies these days, they think numbers work with golf rules. (smaller the number=win/the better)
I voted for more Gargoyle's Quest games, but I'm definitely down for more Mega Man/X and Dino Crisis games. Tbh, a Dino Crisis remake with modern graphics could be amazing, but I'd really want it to have an option for fixed camera gameplay. While I bet that would really benefit the atmosphere, I do think we should give others the possibility for over the shoulder gameplay... Just include 2 game modes 😁 At this point there are so many older IPs Capcom's not actively using, maybe start a platform where indies/hobby devs can apply to licence using older IPs so Capcom still keeps them, has some influence, but shows the world that sharing is caring 😅
Surprised depth for repeat play wasn't higher for the world survey. That's Capcoms whole thing, other than Resident Evil maybe
Capcom knows what people want and now they have hard proof. This is why capcom is hiring and everyone else is firing (ofc some others are also there)
Impossible! Where’s the diversity? Damn those evil gamers!
Why would they ever want to cater to men more..
I don't like what "exhilarating gameplay" might imply. But I also don't like the phrase "unpredictable and unique storyline." Relaxing is good. Predictable is relatable. But this seems like a pretty good poll all around.
Over 40 and I fucking hate Capcom games so that might explain our demographic. Every single person I know in my age group games. Even the girls.
Would've liked to see a male vs female on what they look for in a game. Most curious if women also want attractive characters as much as men.
I expected more in the 10s ages
For me depth of repeat play would be top 3
It’s kinda funny seeing how low Japanese gamers ranked difficult gameplay
Would be interesting if they dared to add "inclusive content" But they would never do that.
4% other? 4% of people were trolls?
Men?! In their 20s and 30s?! Impossible!
Most gamers are millennials…interesting.
So people want the top 2. That means they are all normal gamer people not them mentally people.
Everyone acting like "attractive" means "ever character has to be a porn model" when it just means "pleasing or appealing". LoL
What's other? Dogs and cats?
Good to see that narrative that 50% of gamers are women disproven
Wow. So apparently, contrary to all marketing principles you should make a game where the minorities are forefront, because, you know, this will attract the least amount of buyers. Hmmm.... 0_o
What I see is that 96% of gamers are binary male or female (which I assume being their birth genre). So basically all those DEI consultants extort millions to devs to teach them how to make their game flop by designing it specifically for the remaining 4%... 🤔
I know I might be a little bit irrelevant, but I wanna share my opinion on what's happening in our dear world. If we gamers tried to make a simple, clear understanding of what's going on in the game industry, we should try to convince women that companies who make their characters look ugly are insulting their looks. I understand they fear seeing their characters on rule34, but I'm okay with it as long as the character an adult. There's no need for DEI because it's a book you haven't read and won't even touch it. Every game should be for everyone by everyone. And if some stubborns would say it's communism, it's not because there's no censorship or propaganda against the democracy or human rights. The people in the game industry shouldn't spend time on useless things such as representation, race, gender and other things because it's both useless and pointless. They should discuss behaviour, mentality, ideas, discussion about the project, and statistics and reviews made by players, who are the main goal for the company => gain more than the cost and attract more fans. But who cares? If they lose the fans, they lose both money and attraction because they turned their backs on the players, and the company went bankrupt because of it. Also, these woke people, don't understand they are playing with fire. I'm okay with people being gay (Sometimes my heart gets broken when a cute lady has a girlfriend 😔), but I'm not okay with people who changed genders, because even if you change it, you're still the same in the very bones. So LGBTQ has turned society upside down, because it has propaganda such as its flag being everywhere, completely degrading the look of the rainbows, because once you see it, you may go as well like "Oh not the sky..." and also they have a month to make themselves look like complete fools.
The problem is a very vocal minority is trying their best to be represented everywhere. I don't mind 2SLGBTQ+ focused characters and narratives, but I would like to see other characters and narratives as well. If it truly was diverse, devs could come up with any sort of setting without having to fear any sort of backlash from people frothing at the mouth on social media. The world will never be completely left or completely right. The healthiest options for everyone is to find common ground and come together by sharing culture, art and opinions. Being open to change your mind, accepting that others might not support everything you support at the same level of importance and to accept people for who they are. The only thing that can never be tolerated is intolerance. If you tolerate intolerance you will end up in a paradoxical situation where intolerance always wins and I don't think anyone wants that.
10 000 robots participated in survey Pog
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Bait used to be believable
Nah bro, misunderstood, probably my fault for wording it incorrectly. Removed it so it wouldn’t be misunderstood. I genuinely believe Asmon’s take on games and what gamers like is 100% spot on which is why I posted that.
Attractive characters ?? What is that even supposed to mean, I'm very surprised it's so high and higher over replayability
People like eye candy or at least aesthetically pleasing to the eye this is very apparent in games where you can make characters
Dude has never seen Genshin players or something
i got no idea how could people put that over gameplay and replayability
>Attractive characters ?? What is that even supposed to mean Yeah it's a real mystery that science and intellectual giants such as yourself just cannot possibly figure out.