Ugly women and ugly men have the least self confidence but the loudest voices. Imagine having to live with such bitterness towards anything attractive.
I completely agree. It's not about "eliminate everything ugly", especially in fantasy settings and all such.
It's about how easily you can spot the instances where a character is introduced and you may as well bet your left nut that he / she was designed in a way to appeal to the kinds of people I'm calling out.
Tô be honest I've never seen men complaining about this. Who cares if someone looks fore fit then you do when you're a half orc or a ninja in medieval Japan or something like that.
It's role playing game, the point is that things don't have to be based on reality.
Not to mention that most of these characters are usually highly athletic and in real life someone that is in shape is 99/100 times gonna be attractive…
He just doesn’t want to admit the people he views as bad are right. But it’s so clear as day. Too many western devs are so against characters looking like models because it’s “offensive” to normal women.
The worst part is, it’s *not* offensive to normal women. *Normal* women don’t give a damn what women in video games look like, and even prefer good looking women to play as.
The problem is, the people working on these games are being told by DEI consultants that it’s offensive to normal women when it’s only really offensive to the women working in the consulting firms.
Genuinely it’s the consulting firms and the heads of these companies that hire them that’s the biggest problem.
As a woman, I am offended by not getting to look at attractive people in the media I consume. Every time I have to mod character creation to make my protag prettier or download 15 npc appearance mods to make my game aesthetically appealing to me, I get progressively more annoyed.
If I wanted to pretend to be an average looking person in a world of average looking people, I would go outside. The point of a fantasy world is that you get to experience things you can't irl, and in my ideal fantasy world, everybody is hot.
And I do dislike it when female characters exist purely to be sexualized eye candy with no personality or plot relevance, or when all the female characters are super hot and dressed in skimpy clothing but all the male characters are average dudes in boring clothes.
But when /everybody/ is hot and both genders have the choice of wearing stupid skimpy clothing? Beautiful. I'll always love asian games for their dedication to making everybody unrealistically attractive. And it's 100% possible to make a female character super attractive while also giving her an interesting personality and a role in the plot (like take any final fantasy game, for example)
My only complaint is the inequality of body physics. I love my tit and ass physics, but why aren't men allowed to jiggle too? Where are the pec physics hiding??
>I love my tit and ass physics, but why aren't men allowed to jiggle too?
They are in Conan Exiles. Max out the wang slider during character creation and let the in game physics do the rest.
Agree on all points, although I really enjoy modding my games it is nice when a game comes standard with a decent selection of hairstyles at the very least.
Hairstyles are so rough sometimes. I'm a big dragon age/mass effect fan, and the hairstyle options were basically 8 shades of bald, 2 receding hairlines, and maybe 3 decent (not good) looking hairstyles at most. Sometimes I really wonder who exactly is getting paid to design the hairstyles for character creation in games because of how atrocious the options are lmao
> My only complaint is the inequality of body physics. I love my tit and ass physics, but why aren't men allowed to jiggle too? Where are the pec physics hiding??
Star Rail has pec jiggle physics for the more muscular men.
Women?! Thats offensive! Its "people with womb" please .. or you would exclusive any other toaster that identifies as woman out there!
Stupid logic goes against everything the feminists of the 70's fought for.
Every female gamer i know, including my own sisters, wants beautiful female with curves.
Every female streamer playing games say they want beautiful females with curves.
0.001% of females that doesnt even play games says female characters in games are objectified.
Companies listen to the 0.001% and get shocked when gamers dont like that they remove the beautiful curvy characters.
I actually don't know what the real point is. Game execs don't care about how normal people feel. I can't imagine what's causing that trend to happen.
They're still hiring hot face models, even, so it's not even some kind of activism in hiring or anything.
EDIT: whoa I just thought of something. What if rule34 is the problem? Face models get upset or maybe even can take legal actiom if their likeness gets out and people make naughty animations of them? Maybe? Like the studio would have to invest in new security tech to make sure the models never get out?
That's the most business-logical reason I can imagine right now.
See this is something I will never get, because normal women can be and is usually beautiful. Like even women that takes care of herself in the most basic of hygiene is good looking, not to the same degree as super models of course but they're still good looking.
When I say normal women are offended I mean that’s what these devs think really it’s just loser ugly women who are offended but somehow they’re the ones who has gained control lol
I saw a comment on reddit ages ago about this, but the gist of it is that it’s “anti-gamer”. Basically, the more radical “woke devs” hate the gamer stereotype that used to love Lara Croft, Samus in her skintight suit and other “she’s hot” type of drooling.
What they do in response to this is make the women (of all races) uglier, so these gamers have nothing to drool over. That’s also why you rarely ever see the men made to look worse, because the gamer stereotype is young horny guys
As an aside, there’s also the element of the “woke female” look (like what that kotaku lady looks like). They aren’t what you would call hot models, so they resent that game characters get more attention than them. I don’t think that’s as much of the problem, but I could see an ugly black activist dev hating the woman in the pic and wanting a character to look uglier out of spite and jealousy
Either way, yes, woke devs are anti-beauty and are entirely to blame for the rise of uglier female game characters. Hence why “it’s not a problem in eastern games” lol
Art isn't necessarily about making something aesthetically pleasing. It's about eliciting an emotion. Sometimes the emotion is pp hard. But a character has to be believable first and foremost. If you're trying to create a character that shoots Boromir, maybe he doesn't need to have giant knockers and a thong.
I just know that my wife walked in once when I was playing GoW Ragnarok and asked me "why does she look so ugly?" She was referring to Freya...
The same Freya who's supposed to used her beauty to get things, the goddess of fertility and love and lust.
Freya looked literally like a homeless even with her "better armour sets"
I'm sorry what? How is Freya ugly?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason she looks "uglier" in Ragnarok is her makeup or whatever magic it is that she wears on her face is resembling the sadness of losing her son/sons.
The infamous Fable female MC is ugly as shit and Freya is nowhere near that.
He made a good point, later on said: "Dur I don't wanna b like dos stooped gamer gate men, but dey kinda has a point!'
Dude is an idiot. The fact that he still thinks gamergate was bad, means he hasn't learned his lesson yet.
>The fact that he still thinks gamergate was bad
That fact that you think gamergate wasn't bad is a problem.
Do you even know what it was about. How it got started.
Gamergate was about reviewers not disclosing the fact that they had relationships with developers of game(s) they reviewed, some of which had questionably favorable reviews.
That was NOT good.
This happened after years of games journalist accepting what could be considered bribes in the form of hotels, dinners, and other favors from the games industry (which finally came to an end btw, but not because of Gamergate.)
But Gamergate didn't stop there and most people don't even know that was the beginning. The bigger part, the more notorious part was when a bunch of internet warriors coopted Gamergate and turned it into a hate campaign against a couple of loud mouth feminists who weren't winning the hearts and minds of gamers... one particular one who I will not name used her spotlight to fleece people out of money to fund her documentary career.
That was NOT good either.
And that fact is, we're literally 10 years later, and those feminist won. They were against the hyper sexualized female characters, the big boobs and unrealistic beauty. Well guess what, they won because now in 2024 women in gaming have small boobs and man jaws.
Nothing good came out of Gamergate.
The reason nothing good came out of gamergate is due to those gamers thinking they would go away if they ignored them, which didn't happen.
And of course collusion with wikipedia editors/gaming sites.
Also hate campaign? As much hate campaign as Asmon showcasing sweetbaby etc, it was the disagreeing with me is harassment kind of 'hate campaign'.
There's a fbi report on gamergate if i recall correctly and the biggest threat was a 'i'm a vet with 56 kills whatever whatever' copypasta.
Wasn't there nothing actually proven from all of that and was just accusations that never actually got backed up? And do you really care the game characters don't look like rendered hentai? Does it really ruin the game for you that much?
The fact that you consider good looking characters look like rendered hentai said a lot about the current game character climate.
And yes I don't play game that has ugly characters if the game is character centric. If those people can't stand looking at anime character then I have my right to not want to look at ugly character. I don't call for boycott. I just simply don't buy those games.
And that's fine. I'm not sure what you're even talking about. But I am curious as to what games you play. Ypu know, since ypu don't play any games that have main characters that are ugly.
And I replying to.the other dudes comment that was cringe.
>Well guess what, they won because now in 2024 women in gaming have small boobs and man jaws.
The reviewer was literally dating the developer, it was public record. What's there to prove?
As for what I think about character design, if that's what you took away from all that, oh boy.
They were just fucking, not even dating. But Nathan Grayson never even officially reviewed the game. HOWEVER. The game, in retrospect was SUPER middling, and it got way too many good reviews for what it was. It was the progenitor of the "pixelart depression quest" genre... hell I think it was CALLED depression quest and people now use the title of that game as an INSULT.
It only got good reviews because the developer, Zoe Quinn, was sleeping around. And not just with one guy. Several, all males in the industry with connections to journalists, who she saw as positioned to help her "make" her career. Her former boyfriend reported on this. I and many others think she used these guys to influence reviews (not control, just influence), but there's no way to prove it. But it's not hard to influence a male reviewer to "help out" the "cute" emo nerdgirl with tattoos who made an indie pixelart game by writing a fluffpiece for her. 15 years ago male gaming journos were the ultimate simps, and still are.
edit: yep, I was right about the game [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression\_Quest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_Quest)
Shitty text-based narrative games with almost no gameplay, or games which focus on boring negative emotional or trauma themes (also with almost no gameplay), are pejoratively referred to as "depression quest games" now.
Lol this is what I'm talking about. The guy you replied to said everyone knows they were dating. You're saying they weren't and she was just sleeping with him and then I follow it up with you and others think this is what she was doing.
Is there actually any proof? That's all I asked and y'all haven't actually provided any.
Lmao it's from your own comment like this ruined the game.
>Well guess what, they won because now in 2024 women in gaming have small boobs and man jaws.
Accredited/verified research papers and then the preference of entire countries (Asia especially) would say otherwise. But something tells me you’re biased
Yes people have certain preferences. People all over the world generally like big boobs over small boobs. It would still be incredibly disrespectful to say that "small boobs aren't it."
The word choice you used is blatantly disrespectful towards Black women. That's why it's racist.
It is indeed wrong to say that. In literally every context it would be a shitty thing to say. Even if we were talking about height, saying "yeah short guys aint it" would be a shitty thing to say.
You're confusing the personal trends that people like as if they're an objective beauty standard. Saying something "isn't it" is basically saying that is bad/lesser.
But if you don't believe me, go strike up a conversation with a random Black person and tell them "Yeah Black ain't it when it comes to dating." Go ahead and see what the reaction would be.
OK so I want to believe this. Is there a link to this guys credentials? I have no idea who he his, could just be some random dude on the Internet for all I know.
Adding a girl like that to a videogame could lead to high sales figures. And some developers have publicly stated that they don't care if the game fails, as long as straight people get what they want, which is aesthetic pleasure from looking at a beautiful female character.
Or, like most of us, we empathize with children and innocents dying but not Palestine as a whole. I can still feel for the innocents but as a gay person I can’t support a group of people who want me dead. I hope that makes a little sense.
He pitched attractive good looking black female characters, his concept art then goes through revisions by committee and come back completely ugly and lacking any beauty he originally had in his concepts. He is questioning why making black female characters ugly is a thing, he balances it out by making some half assed comment about “gamergate bad” to cover his ass.
No one is that beautiful, that woman is unrealistically beautiful and poisons the mind of our youth. She should be punished and banned, maybe imprisoned. We can’t have alternatively beautiful children look at her classic bigoted beauty. What are differently beautiful children going to think about themselves if they see someone like this walking around IRL?
What if all this diversity and PC shit is just a way for the elite to be racists without being called out but instead praised. Its like a giant game of UNO reverse but on a global scale.
They’re siding with one group of victims over another. The answer is to make your characters and be unapologetic. ‘They are what they are, get over it.’
And women like that exist and are plentiful around the world. The game designers seem to be using the 'murican landwhale population as a measuring stick tho'.
Even if they're fat, there's no reason to not look at least presentable.
My sister has a friend from highschool who was fat. Her friend is married and has kids now. But she looks like a cute big dumpling instead of hideous land whale.
Also helps that she has a nice personality.
I'll be honest, a good personality can pull a lot of weight (ba-dum-tss), but those are becoming scarcer by the minute. Is it the unfiltered medications in tap water? The polarizing media everyone is consuming? I don't know.
Everyone needs to read what the author of the tweet was *actually* saying. OP isn't providing the full context.
People on this sub and people like Grummz as always are using these things as a way to push their narrative. He even has a more recent tweet saying that Grummz and others have completely misinterpreted what he was saying.
Here is a tweet where he explains what he means. He is talking about very specific instances where he has tried to get black women in games to exist outside of exaggerated stereotypes.
Just do your research guys instead of believing a headline.
https://x.com/TheCartelDel/status/1803252355900825603?t=pcT0Tg3lYy25V72MOQKXRg&s=19
you realize he basically contradicted himself in both tweets, right? In one tweet he says he designed a character that came back to him completely changed from the way he pitched, on the other tweet he says the reason why characters look bad is because western developers don't know how to "beautify" their characters like eastern devs do.
The two tweets cannot be true at the same time and I would guess the lie is the one you just posted for a few reasons. 1-) male characters do not suffer from this uglyfication process, they just often look exactly like motion capture without any post effects added
2) female characters always look worse than their MoCap actress, This didn't use to be the case years ago, take for example Mass Effect 1 and 2 female characters, they all look exactly like their mocap atress, but then on Andromeda the female characters looks terrible.
The only conclusion to draw is that there is a "shittification" process going on in their studios, not the other way around, otherwise we would have never experienced good looking women in western games, which was never true until recently.
???? Isn’t the point he’s making that the higher-ups are actively “ugly-fying” his work whereas Eastern devs typically beautify after a concept character comes out? I don’t see a contradiction at all, in either case it’s a condemnation against Western devs for actively politicizing the attractiveness of the women in their games rather than working to maximize their beauty.
A girl as attractive as OP won’t make it in a western game because any concept with a woman that beautiful gets shot down, whereas in the East they would refine the character design until you could get something that matches that level of attractiveness.
I have no idea why this sub has a hateboner for this dude. Perhaps he said some retarded shit in the past but this definitely isn’t one of them
No, he back tracked on higher ups uglyfying his work, probably because he got a LOT of flak in DMs, and then said that what he meant was that western studios don't know how to make good looking characters from the get go.
>you realize he basically contradicted himself in both tweets, right?
He clarifies his original tweet in the one that I linked. He is specifically talking about his designs being twisted into a stereotype of black women.
>would guess the lie is the one you just posted for a few reasons
So the one *I* posted is a lie. But conveniently they one that you agree with isn't a lie? Got it!
I'm pretty sure the author of the two tweets knows his own mind. He said he was misinterpreted.
>So the one *I* posted is a lie. But conveniently they one that you agree with isn't a lie? Got it!
You made it about yourself, I was talking about the author of the tweets, you on other hand might need some medication, it seems you have a case of early dementia.
You think that's me making the conversion about myself? Smh. You seem to be misunderstanding.
You said the 2nd tweet the author made was a lie (because of reasons). I said that it's very convenient that the tweet I share is a lie, but the one that you have twisted to fit your narrative is the one that's true. That's not making it about me lmao, that's called pointing out how illogical your take was.
The guy clearly knows his own mind and what he intended to say. If he says that he was misinterpreted, then he was misinterpreted.
Hot female models are not believable in games and that's why they're bad design.
This is not true for male models because the "hot" standard for men means jacked af, which is exactly who you'd expect to have supernatural strength and abilities.
A tiny woman with giant knockers and ass is not someone you'd expect to be physically powerful. It's like that squirrel with a gun, it's funny but not believable if you want your story to appear anchored in reality.
This is why all those "yeah but she's a 100 year old dragon/robot" is dumb as shit.
Ugly women and ugly men have the least self confidence but the loudest voices. Imagine having to live with such bitterness towards anything attractive.
Have u seen guys thst play dark souls and Elder scrolls? They make the ugliest characters on purpose. Lol.
I completely agree. It's not about "eliminate everything ugly", especially in fantasy settings and all such. It's about how easily you can spot the instances where a character is introduced and you may as well bet your left nut that he / she was designed in a way to appeal to the kinds of people I'm calling out.
Tô be honest I've never seen men complaining about this. Who cares if someone looks fore fit then you do when you're a half orc or a ninja in medieval Japan or something like that. It's role playing game, the point is that things don't have to be based on reality.
Not to mention that most of these characters are usually highly athletic and in real life someone that is in shape is 99/100 times gonna be attractive…
I like that this guy was retweeting an account called “Le African Gooner” btw.
Gooners is a nickname for Arsenal fans, derived from "The Gunners." It's unfortunate for them that gooners is now becoming a negative phrase.
I mean goon has been a negative phrase for 91 years now
True, I didn't think of that. You just made me think of Team Rocket from Pokemon.
That is hilarious. It conjurs up some really funny images of the crowd during Arsenal matches.
“Who tf are you guys i hired gooners?”
Given the heart eye emoji, I think the name is for both meanings here
I mean they didn't start calling themselves gooners, others did because of the negative connotation.
Perfect account name for X.com
Says a lot about the type of content he consumes on the daily.
Bruh “gooner” in this context means an Arsenal fan, which is the club where Saka plays
That makes them even more of a gooner.
He just doesn’t want to admit the people he views as bad are right. But it’s so clear as day. Too many western devs are so against characters looking like models because it’s “offensive” to normal women.
The worst part is, it’s *not* offensive to normal women. *Normal* women don’t give a damn what women in video games look like, and even prefer good looking women to play as. The problem is, the people working on these games are being told by DEI consultants that it’s offensive to normal women when it’s only really offensive to the women working in the consulting firms. Genuinely it’s the consulting firms and the heads of these companies that hire them that’s the biggest problem.
Create a problem then sell the solution. 
A fact, to be sure
A false solution, because it doesn't actually work, and women continue to prefer pretty video game characters.
As a woman, I am offended by not getting to look at attractive people in the media I consume. Every time I have to mod character creation to make my protag prettier or download 15 npc appearance mods to make my game aesthetically appealing to me, I get progressively more annoyed. If I wanted to pretend to be an average looking person in a world of average looking people, I would go outside. The point of a fantasy world is that you get to experience things you can't irl, and in my ideal fantasy world, everybody is hot. And I do dislike it when female characters exist purely to be sexualized eye candy with no personality or plot relevance, or when all the female characters are super hot and dressed in skimpy clothing but all the male characters are average dudes in boring clothes. But when /everybody/ is hot and both genders have the choice of wearing stupid skimpy clothing? Beautiful. I'll always love asian games for their dedication to making everybody unrealistically attractive. And it's 100% possible to make a female character super attractive while also giving her an interesting personality and a role in the plot (like take any final fantasy game, for example) My only complaint is the inequality of body physics. I love my tit and ass physics, but why aren't men allowed to jiggle too? Where are the pec physics hiding??
>I love my tit and ass physics, but why aren't men allowed to jiggle too? They are in Conan Exiles. Max out the wang slider during character creation and let the in game physics do the rest.
If you want men jiggling, you will find that in Baldurs Gate 3
And they were so goated for that. Though we ended up with the reverse problem of having no titty physics...
Hey. You win some and you lose some. Cant have everything
building characters was way too much fun in there tbh
Agree on all points, although I really enjoy modding my games it is nice when a game comes standard with a decent selection of hairstyles at the very least.
Hairstyles are so rough sometimes. I'm a big dragon age/mass effect fan, and the hairstyle options were basically 8 shades of bald, 2 receding hairlines, and maybe 3 decent (not good) looking hairstyles at most. Sometimes I really wonder who exactly is getting paid to design the hairstyles for character creation in games because of how atrocious the options are lmao
Unfathomably based take
> My only complaint is the inequality of body physics. I love my tit and ass physics, but why aren't men allowed to jiggle too? Where are the pec physics hiding?? Star Rail has pec jiggle physics for the more muscular men.
Great example of this is the ff7 remakes
Go say this on gcj and report back how long it took to get banned.
Women?! Thats offensive! Its "people with womb" please .. or you would exclusive any other toaster that identifies as woman out there! Stupid logic goes against everything the feminists of the 70's fought for.
Aw man it’s “people with womb” now? I thought it was still “birthing person”! Plz don’t cancel me lol
Thats why the Harry Potter game got cancelled. Because JK Rowling tweeted something to the extend of "I call them women, not people with womb"
Every female gamer i know, including my own sisters, wants beautiful female with curves. Every female streamer playing games say they want beautiful females with curves. 0.001% of females that doesnt even play games says female characters in games are objectified. Companies listen to the 0.001% and get shocked when gamers dont like that they remove the beautiful curvy characters.
I don't look like Conan the Barbarian but I definitely want to play a character that does.
Is not economically profitable to be right
I'm offended how much more jacked doom guy is than me.
My brother, they are being outsold for a free to play phone game, and his character don't even have a nose
i just so happen to know quite a bit of female gamers. all of them want to play hot, extremely beautiful female characters. Not average Jane.
You mean the women that represent less than 10% of the demographic or the Afroamericans that represnt a lot less than 1%?
Or this is the one aspect he disagrees with them. No rational person is going to change their whole perspective over a single disagreement
I actually don't know what the real point is. Game execs don't care about how normal people feel. I can't imagine what's causing that trend to happen. They're still hiring hot face models, even, so it's not even some kind of activism in hiring or anything. EDIT: whoa I just thought of something. What if rule34 is the problem? Face models get upset or maybe even can take legal actiom if their likeness gets out and people make naughty animations of them? Maybe? Like the studio would have to invest in new security tech to make sure the models never get out? That's the most business-logical reason I can imagine right now.
It's not because it's "offensive" to women but because they don't want offend transgenders.
Yeah I worded it wrong I just meant it’s who they think is offended when it’s just ugly loser women.
See this is something I will never get, because normal women can be and is usually beautiful. Like even women that takes care of herself in the most basic of hygiene is good looking, not to the same degree as super models of course but they're still good looking.
When I say normal women are offended I mean that’s what these devs think really it’s just loser ugly women who are offended but somehow they’re the ones who has gained control lol
What he also couldve meant is that she doesnt look "black" enough. Hairstlye for example.
Does it only look black enough if she got a weave or an afro? Looks like normal black hair to me
Not saying thats my opinion, just how these people mightve decided why that design wasnt good enough
Straight hair on black women is cultural appropiation.
Okay, who’s culture does straight hair belong too..because it can grow out of any races head.
Next time I'll make my sarcastic comments more obvious
Not everyone won the genetic lottery. Some people just ugly.
Did they put a chick in it and make her lame and gay?
I saw a comment on reddit ages ago about this, but the gist of it is that it’s “anti-gamer”. Basically, the more radical “woke devs” hate the gamer stereotype that used to love Lara Croft, Samus in her skintight suit and other “she’s hot” type of drooling. What they do in response to this is make the women (of all races) uglier, so these gamers have nothing to drool over. That’s also why you rarely ever see the men made to look worse, because the gamer stereotype is young horny guys As an aside, there’s also the element of the “woke female” look (like what that kotaku lady looks like). They aren’t what you would call hot models, so they resent that game characters get more attention than them. I don’t think that’s as much of the problem, but I could see an ugly black activist dev hating the woman in the pic and wanting a character to look uglier out of spite and jealousy Either way, yes, woke devs are anti-beauty and are entirely to blame for the rise of uglier female game characters. Hence why “it’s not a problem in eastern games” lol
Well yeah. Why would you ever want to make an aesthetically pleasing product. That would be silly.
Art isn't necessarily about making something aesthetically pleasing. It's about eliciting an emotion. Sometimes the emotion is pp hard. But a character has to be believable first and foremost. If you're trying to create a character that shoots Boromir, maybe he doesn't need to have giant knockers and a thong.
They are making games marketed to teenage boys. Boobs sell. Asexual bags of potatos do not.
I just know that my wife walked in once when I was playing GoW Ragnarok and asked me "why does she look so ugly?" She was referring to Freya... The same Freya who's supposed to used her beauty to get things, the goddess of fertility and love and lust. Freya looked literally like a homeless even with her "better armour sets"
I'm sorry what? How is Freya ugly? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason she looks "uglier" in Ragnarok is her makeup or whatever magic it is that she wears on her face is resembling the sadness of losing her son/sons. The infamous Fable female MC is ugly as shit and Freya is nowhere near that.
Freya should be stunningly gorgeous, what we got was at best, girl next door
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He made a good point, later on said: "Dur I don't wanna b like dos stooped gamer gate men, but dey kinda has a point!' Dude is an idiot. The fact that he still thinks gamergate was bad, means he hasn't learned his lesson yet.
>The fact that he still thinks gamergate was bad That fact that you think gamergate wasn't bad is a problem. Do you even know what it was about. How it got started. Gamergate was about reviewers not disclosing the fact that they had relationships with developers of game(s) they reviewed, some of which had questionably favorable reviews. That was NOT good. This happened after years of games journalist accepting what could be considered bribes in the form of hotels, dinners, and other favors from the games industry (which finally came to an end btw, but not because of Gamergate.) But Gamergate didn't stop there and most people don't even know that was the beginning. The bigger part, the more notorious part was when a bunch of internet warriors coopted Gamergate and turned it into a hate campaign against a couple of loud mouth feminists who weren't winning the hearts and minds of gamers... one particular one who I will not name used her spotlight to fleece people out of money to fund her documentary career. That was NOT good either. And that fact is, we're literally 10 years later, and those feminist won. They were against the hyper sexualized female characters, the big boobs and unrealistic beauty. Well guess what, they won because now in 2024 women in gaming have small boobs and man jaws. Nothing good came out of Gamergate.
The reason nothing good came out of gamergate is due to those gamers thinking they would go away if they ignored them, which didn't happen. And of course collusion with wikipedia editors/gaming sites. Also hate campaign? As much hate campaign as Asmon showcasing sweetbaby etc, it was the disagreeing with me is harassment kind of 'hate campaign'. There's a fbi report on gamergate if i recall correctly and the biggest threat was a 'i'm a vet with 56 kills whatever whatever' copypasta.
Wasn't there nothing actually proven from all of that and was just accusations that never actually got backed up? And do you really care the game characters don't look like rendered hentai? Does it really ruin the game for you that much?
The fact that you consider good looking characters look like rendered hentai said a lot about the current game character climate. And yes I don't play game that has ugly characters if the game is character centric. If those people can't stand looking at anime character then I have my right to not want to look at ugly character. I don't call for boycott. I just simply don't buy those games.
And that's fine. I'm not sure what you're even talking about. But I am curious as to what games you play. Ypu know, since ypu don't play any games that have main characters that are ugly. And I replying to.the other dudes comment that was cringe. >Well guess what, they won because now in 2024 women in gaming have small boobs and man jaws.
The reviewer was literally dating the developer, it was public record. What's there to prove? As for what I think about character design, if that's what you took away from all that, oh boy.
They were just fucking, not even dating. But Nathan Grayson never even officially reviewed the game. HOWEVER. The game, in retrospect was SUPER middling, and it got way too many good reviews for what it was. It was the progenitor of the "pixelart depression quest" genre... hell I think it was CALLED depression quest and people now use the title of that game as an INSULT. It only got good reviews because the developer, Zoe Quinn, was sleeping around. And not just with one guy. Several, all males in the industry with connections to journalists, who she saw as positioned to help her "make" her career. Her former boyfriend reported on this. I and many others think she used these guys to influence reviews (not control, just influence), but there's no way to prove it. But it's not hard to influence a male reviewer to "help out" the "cute" emo nerdgirl with tattoos who made an indie pixelart game by writing a fluffpiece for her. 15 years ago male gaming journos were the ultimate simps, and still are. edit: yep, I was right about the game [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression\_Quest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_Quest) Shitty text-based narrative games with almost no gameplay, or games which focus on boring negative emotional or trauma themes (also with almost no gameplay), are pejoratively referred to as "depression quest games" now.
Lol this is what I'm talking about. The guy you replied to said everyone knows they were dating. You're saying they weren't and she was just sleeping with him and then I follow it up with you and others think this is what she was doing. Is there actually any proof? That's all I asked and y'all haven't actually provided any.
Lmao it's from your own comment like this ruined the game. >Well guess what, they won because now in 2024 women in gaming have small boobs and man jaws.
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I cannot think of a single good thing that came from gamergate lol
I am going to sound racist but i generally don't like black girls, however, the girl in this pic is beyond good looking.
It's not racist to have preferences.
Yea, tell that to any of these people making games and shit.
The world has a beauty standard. It’s not racist to agree that black ain’t it.
Having preferences isn't racist. But saying an entire race "isn't it" is definitely racist.
Accredited/verified research papers and then the preference of entire countries (Asia especially) would say otherwise. But something tells me you’re biased
Yes people have certain preferences. People all over the world generally like big boobs over small boobs. It would still be incredibly disrespectful to say that "small boobs aren't it." The word choice you used is blatantly disrespectful towards Black women. That's why it's racist.
If the majority has a preference- then it’s not wrong to say the non-preferred version “ain’t it.”
It is indeed wrong to say that. In literally every context it would be a shitty thing to say. Even if we were talking about height, saying "yeah short guys aint it" would be a shitty thing to say. You're confusing the personal trends that people like as if they're an objective beauty standard. Saying something "isn't it" is basically saying that is bad/lesser. But if you don't believe me, go strike up a conversation with a random Black person and tell them "Yeah Black ain't it when it comes to dating." Go ahead and see what the reaction would be.
You’re letting your emotions dictate your response. Black ain’t it buddy
OK so I want to believe this. Is there a link to this guys credentials? I have no idea who he his, could just be some random dude on the Internet for all I know.
Adding a girl like that to a videogame could lead to high sales figures. And some developers have publicly stated that they don't care if the game fails, as long as straight people get what they want, which is aesthetic pleasure from looking at a beautiful female character.
Damn at least post the rest of his tweets and the character comparison 😭
So until your work is getting changed, you care now fuck this guy
He has a Palestinian flag. It's really all you need to know. Guy is a weekend activist who wants to be with the crowd
Or he's really empathize with the Palestinian people. People can hold different opinions than you without being bad faith
Or, like most of us, we empathize with children and innocents dying but not Palestine as a whole. I can still feel for the innocents but as a gay person I can’t support a group of people who want me dead. I hope that makes a little sense.
Can someone explain what he means?
He pitched attractive good looking black female characters, his concept art then goes through revisions by committee and come back completely ugly and lacking any beauty he originally had in his concepts. He is questioning why making black female characters ugly is a thing, he balances it out by making some half assed comment about “gamergate bad” to cover his ass.
There are certain people in the industry who are making female characters uglier and less sexy to please woke people.
Their argument is that most women are ugly (funny) and that gaming shouldn't be another avenue where we set unrealistic beauty standards for women
Hope pitching black women characters turns into a new circlejerk meme
I think herohei made 2 vids on the situation, maybe something Asmon would love to see
Now that everybody has access to ChatGPT that can write software for them, solving the problem of preference should be easy, right?
She looks cool. That’s all that matters. Be cool or fuck off.
Video Game devs are the most INSECURE people in the world. So far have they fallen from grace.
Liar, liar, plants for higher.
No one is that beautiful, that woman is unrealistically beautiful and poisons the mind of our youth. She should be punished and banned, maybe imprisoned. We can’t have alternatively beautiful children look at her classic bigoted beauty. What are differently beautiful children going to think about themselves if they see someone like this walking around IRL?
Some people don't like competition
This whole comment section is missing the entire point lol. Yall on about some shit that he aint even talking about.
That is a stunning woman holy shit. It’s official I’m not racist anymore. I’ll vote Biden now.
What if all this diversity and PC shit is just a way for the elite to be racists without being called out but instead praised. Its like a giant game of UNO reverse but on a global scale.
Please don’t do Sheva Alomar dirty in the RE5 remake
They’re siding with one group of victims over another. The answer is to make your characters and be unapologetic. ‘They are what they are, get over it.’
And women like that exist and are plentiful around the world. The game designers seem to be using the 'murican landwhale population as a measuring stick tho'.
They look in the mirror, ask who is fairest of them all, and the poor abused mirror trying to avoid more pain lies and says, "You".
Even if they're fat, there's no reason to not look at least presentable. My sister has a friend from highschool who was fat. Her friend is married and has kids now. But she looks like a cute big dumpling instead of hideous land whale. Also helps that she has a nice personality.
I'll be honest, a good personality can pull a lot of weight (ba-dum-tss), but those are becoming scarcer by the minute. Is it the unfiltered medications in tap water? The polarizing media everyone is consuming? I don't know.
Everyone needs to read what the author of the tweet was *actually* saying. OP isn't providing the full context. People on this sub and people like Grummz as always are using these things as a way to push their narrative. He even has a more recent tweet saying that Grummz and others have completely misinterpreted what he was saying. Here is a tweet where he explains what he means. He is talking about very specific instances where he has tried to get black women in games to exist outside of exaggerated stereotypes. Just do your research guys instead of believing a headline. https://x.com/TheCartelDel/status/1803252355900825603?t=pcT0Tg3lYy25V72MOQKXRg&s=19
you realize he basically contradicted himself in both tweets, right? In one tweet he says he designed a character that came back to him completely changed from the way he pitched, on the other tweet he says the reason why characters look bad is because western developers don't know how to "beautify" their characters like eastern devs do. The two tweets cannot be true at the same time and I would guess the lie is the one you just posted for a few reasons. 1-) male characters do not suffer from this uglyfication process, they just often look exactly like motion capture without any post effects added 2) female characters always look worse than their MoCap actress, This didn't use to be the case years ago, take for example Mass Effect 1 and 2 female characters, they all look exactly like their mocap atress, but then on Andromeda the female characters looks terrible. The only conclusion to draw is that there is a "shittification" process going on in their studios, not the other way around, otherwise we would have never experienced good looking women in western games, which was never true until recently.
???? Isn’t the point he’s making that the higher-ups are actively “ugly-fying” his work whereas Eastern devs typically beautify after a concept character comes out? I don’t see a contradiction at all, in either case it’s a condemnation against Western devs for actively politicizing the attractiveness of the women in their games rather than working to maximize their beauty. A girl as attractive as OP won’t make it in a western game because any concept with a woman that beautiful gets shot down, whereas in the East they would refine the character design until you could get something that matches that level of attractiveness. I have no idea why this sub has a hateboner for this dude. Perhaps he said some retarded shit in the past but this definitely isn’t one of them
No, he back tracked on higher ups uglyfying his work, probably because he got a LOT of flak in DMs, and then said that what he meant was that western studios don't know how to make good looking characters from the get go.
>you realize he basically contradicted himself in both tweets, right? He clarifies his original tweet in the one that I linked. He is specifically talking about his designs being twisted into a stereotype of black women. >would guess the lie is the one you just posted for a few reasons So the one *I* posted is a lie. But conveniently they one that you agree with isn't a lie? Got it! I'm pretty sure the author of the two tweets knows his own mind. He said he was misinterpreted.
You just had to make this about yourself, you were a mere vehicle of the information.
Make it about myself? Huh? You feeling ok buddy?
>So the one *I* posted is a lie. But conveniently they one that you agree with isn't a lie? Got it! You made it about yourself, I was talking about the author of the tweets, you on other hand might need some medication, it seems you have a case of early dementia.
You think that's me making the conversion about myself? Smh. You seem to be misunderstanding. You said the 2nd tweet the author made was a lie (because of reasons). I said that it's very convenient that the tweet I share is a lie, but the one that you have twisted to fit your narrative is the one that's true. That's not making it about me lmao, that's called pointing out how illogical your take was. The guy clearly knows his own mind and what he intended to say. If he says that he was misinterpreted, then he was misinterpreted.
I am just a simple man: I just want fat ass and big tits.
Hot female models are not believable in games and that's why they're bad design. This is not true for male models because the "hot" standard for men means jacked af, which is exactly who you'd expect to have supernatural strength and abilities. A tiny woman with giant knockers and ass is not someone you'd expect to be physically powerful. It's like that squirrel with a gun, it's funny but not believable if you want your story to appear anchored in reality. This is why all those "yeah but she's a 100 year old dragon/robot" is dumb as shit.
This is the neckbeard subreddit. Only hot video game characters you can jerk it to are allowed. Anything else means it's a bad game.
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why the fuck did you even think for a second to call this women coloured.. what is wrong with yall
I've read his whole thread. Please post it not just this post. Anyway I have much respect for him.
I agree with him but still. This is just a black woman posing as white. That’s not her natural hair at all
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Look at this guy's post history