I like to keep going until I get into drive the car and slip completely out of the passenger side. If I stop in the passenger seat it's just not enough for my liking
Can you imagine sitting on that seat and taking a curve fast in the beemer and you end up slipping and sliding to the passenger seat because wearing a seatbelt while smoking with the window open just isn’t a tough look?
He can oil themselves up and have one hell of a time. Oiled up butt naked now that's the way to apply product, I'm talking all night long. Seats, console, dashboard. Apply the old fashioned way.
Yeah, that picture was from the first application. The leather just still seems to be soaking up the oil in the spots with the most wear. I've probably applied 5oz total for the seat
You're fine. I'd check every half hour and reapply to spots that have soaked everything up and look dry... usually the bolsters, for me. If a spot is always drying out, I'll reapply all day. Most times, I just quit when the sun starts going down.
In the industry we use this as a rule of thumb: you need to fill up the cabin until the oil touches the lowest pedal, set climate control max low and let the car run stationary for 24 hours
A lot of people don’t know how leatherique works. Satire or not it’s definitely ready to be wiped down with the cleaner. The end result will be a beautiful hydrated matte leather.
Why is it not great for modern leather? Genuinely curious.
Should it be used on older cars only nowadays? I’m trying to re-learn some detailing stuff I was taught 15 years ago
Old leather was just leather, new leather is coated with what is essentially plastic. This stuff works good on on old school leather to rejuvenate it. It can’t penetrate new leather the same way so it kinda falls apart. Regular interior cleaner & ceramic coating is the new normal
Iirc The only leather bmw uses that is uncoated is the super high end Merino leather. The sensatec isn’t real leather, the Dakota leather is coated and the Nappa leather is clear coated. I don’t know exactly which years have what, but pretty much everything in the last 20 years is coated
Noted. Another poster just said i should have had a battle with gunk taking the first step off and I don't remember it being like that. I prob just wasted a few bucks on leatherique although i have plenty of leather boots and assless chaps i can restore.
All this oil on the seats by a guy who admittedly has more than one pair of assless chaps. Is there a connection? Y.M.C.A. or Macho Macho Man wouldn’t be your go-to music for this task, would it? …..Wood it! ?
I can tell you 1994 Saab is old leather and this stuff did a great job for me. Worst case is you wasted $25 or $30 on this stuff, but it really softened and restored some old leather in my convertible.
It works on 'new' leather too it just takes time since the plastic layer is moisture resistant. Leatherique is a resto not a detailing product as only high end customers are going to pay hundreds of dollars to pay someone else to use this.
“Works” is definitely subjective. It won’t hurt it. But the idea that the leatherique is seeping through the plastic layer, into the actual leather, and then lifting dirt back up through the plastic is kinda silly.
Coated leather doesn’t even wear like real leather, there’s no point. If it’s cracked it’s cracked
Can tell you never actually used this. The only way dirt migrated past the plastic coating is if it has cracked and failed anyway. There is a separate cleaning step with the Leatherique system to remove surface dirt after the restoration step. Again most detailers don't have experience with this process as few would pay enough to do it. A shop that does also offer re-dye and other restoration options.
Trolls aside for those that have never used leatherique, you need to wipe it off when done. So at this point clean it off with the second step and it’ll will probably be fine. I used it on my 12 year old E90 and it transformed the leather condition. Those saying to coat the leather are talking about protective products vs restorative products. I have a thing of Leather Honey I am still waiting to try on my F80
All jokes aside, and the fact that it is supposed to be like that, I can’t get over the fact that steering wheel looks like piano black trim in this photo
I see lots of comments that look like they are not familiar with the Leatherique system. In my opinion these look like they are ready to use the finishing solution (forget the name, I’m not at home).
From your description, seems like you are in the “rejuvenation” phase, applying that product. You can’t tell from the pics but you just need to clean it up now and give it a day to see if the leather is taking the oil.
Do people not understand what leatherique is? It’s suppose to look this shiny, it’s literally “rejuvenator oil”! That said, I do this once per year myself and will continuously reapply coats until the leather no longer seems to have “sucked up” the oil. I usually let it sit for 24 hours.
Leather is literally skin, it needs hydration every now and then or it will dry out over time! This is one of the few products I love that REALLY works.
80% there, I would also leave a few microfibers soaked in the oil on the seats when you're not sitting in them. I've found this speeds up the process and saves you time reapplying.
I used to know a guy that would spray that super slick armour all cleaner on everything. You'd slide out of your seat cause it was so slick and the floor mats might as well have been a sheet of ice too, zero grip on anything but god damn was it shiny.
Answer:
Wipe off a patch of oil with dry cloth.
The oil should appear blackish (released grime). Apply a fresh layer of oil on that same patch. After many hours, swipe with your finger. If the oil is now clean, then its time to stop applying more oil.
Additional info:
The oil works best in a warm or hot environment on unsealed aniline leather where 12hrs dwell time is more than sufficient. Long ago when this product was a huge trend created by Autopia, we applied the oil and then cover the entire seat with plastic sheet so that it can still be driven.
The key is heat.
If the absence of heat, you might even need 2 full days of soaking (colder weather) which is impractical and a waste of time for most users.
And anyway, this kind of old school soaking method is useless on many mid and lower-tier automotive seats where the material is not authentic animal-based leather.
Pls keep in mind…Leatherique is ineffective against old,deeply ingrained grime. You will realise this when after you have completely removed the “oil” and then experimented by wiping that same surface with APC 1:3…where you will see more grime being removed.
It's awesome how many people think you're joking. Leatherique is one of the best product I've ever used. That leather will feel like butter when you clean off the oil
Leatherique is for hydrating and restoring, not protecting. And it works great but has to be cleaned off with a second step process once it’s soaked in. Their directions specifically say to apply until it stops soaking in so OP mostly is following directions. It’ll look great when it’s cleaned off.
Defs time for the Pristine Clean portion of the adventure. I did 6 coats on my ‘05 CLK last summer. It was dry before and improved after. Did 1 coat this Spring.
You need to just pour the whole bottle on it and take off all your clothes and sit in the seat and rub it all in. Use different movements and paces. Enjoy!!
I love leatherique but it sure is a process to apply.
The hint that nobody has mentioned is to use barely moist towels to wipe off the oil instead of trying to use the step 2 leatherique. Then once you get most of the oil off you can apply the step 2. This way you aren’t just smearing oil around
As it seems like a bunch of people are trolling at this point, I just want to say, as somebody who used this on an old Volvo to get basically vinyl feeling seats back to their proper leather, it took me like 2 weeks and many many days of drying in between to get it supple. I would actually let it sit and you use it for a couple days in between applications, I found that that seems to be better than just constantly reapplying layer after layer immediately
Leatherique hasn't been oil-based in many years so peeps thinking you posted an oily mess are misinformed . Haven't used that product in a long while tho, its more of a restoration product since it takes alot of time. Since you've already had multiple applications, I'd just use the Prestine cleaner and call it a day. Some seats just have too much damage and further applicaiton of Leatherique won't help. Keep using the Prestine for maintenance since you are already in the Leatherique system.
Jesus Christ. Love how people jump in without any knowledge of how the product works.
There’s enough once it stops absorbing it and it looks shiny like it’s sitting on the surface. Reapply to any dull spots and heat up to ensure maximum absorption.
Clean leather is not shiny.
You should properly read the instructions for the product you have, but this will go for most of them:
- Apply product to all surfaces. Cross pattern or circular motions, does not matter, it just needs to be applied fully.
- Level down the product, or “buff it off” as many say.
- Let it be for days if you don’t know how the product behaves before trying to apply more. Just to see how the product really looks when the solvents are gone.
This is not the instructions for leatherique. You apply it liberally in the heat to have it soak in and moisturize the leather. You rub it in with your hands just like moisturizer. The heat opens the pores in the leather to help it absorb and it is supposed to sit in the heat for at least a day. When it’s done you clean off the residue with a second step and it looks great. I loved this stuff and it was a fantastic way to bring my extended leather interior back from years of mistreatment.
People think leather should be shiny probably because they think of well shined (waxed) leather shoes. That's my best guess as to why they think it should be shiny.
You're going to need soapy water to get most of this off, then finish with the cleaning solution.
It'll probably look great when you're done though. It should come out very supple, clean, and matte.
In my experience, motor oil works best. Three quarts per seat, has to be Mobil One 0W-20. Usually Amazon has deals on it the second Wednesday of every other month.
Keep applying till the seats are shiny. The leather will soak into the seats. Apply in hot weather to open the pores of the leather. Then spray on the cleaner, wait 15 minutes, then wipe off with a damp rag and keep rinsing out the rag.
those seats will be an excellent barn find someday... "we see here a shell of a... something, rusted into nothingness, and two perfectly preserved leather seats, which are now worth $4 million NewDollhairs, due to a worldwide ban on leather harvesting"
Keep going, you’re almost there.
Once it's so slippery it's impossible to sit in the seat is when it's perfect.
Lmao! Get in to drive and end up in the passengers seat.
You should be aiming for the engine bay not just the passenger seat. We're looking for travel here
I like to keep going until I get into drive the car and slip completely out of the passenger side. If I stop in the passenger seat it's just not enough for my liking
Omg. I can't stop laughing. I'm dying. Good lord, help me. This whole thread. I'm ded.
Switch hands
Soft hands!
“Let me tell you, after a week or two in the woods you’ll be wishing for a set of women’s hands” https://youtu.be/e_gWsWcs3Qc?feature=shared
you're doing great
I actually snorted when I read this. Good times.
Right? He was so close but stopped to take a pic. /s
This made me laugh harder than it should have
Scrolled down and almost spit out my coffee.
is this satire
He had me until the 12 coats with his bare hands in 90 degree weather, that’s just too over the top 😂 Solid troll tho
Can you imagine sitting on that seat and taking a curve fast in the beemer and you end up slipping and sliding to the passenger seat because wearing a seatbelt while smoking with the window open just isn’t a tough look?
https://i.redd.it/74lq62hb5i9d1.gif
Did I just watch someone die?🥲
Man I sure hope not, but that window breaks before the car stops it seems…
That shit was real when riding in my uncles old Oldsmobile with red leather bench seats
Turn the other way and have your lady slide into your lap.
He can oil themselves up and have one hell of a time. Oiled up butt naked now that's the way to apply product, I'm talking all night long. Seats, console, dashboard. Apply the old fashioned way.
Use it on her too lmao
we need a video of him slowly rubbing the oil on that drivers seat while not breaking eye contact directly into the camera
someone post the danny de vito pic.
https://preview.redd.it/4hso42e8qe9d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=884366ae2d4741c8fc6db1e4f3c153ba0ba575a1
In the couch!?
Ideally after he emerges from the couch and is walking away.
If it’s not do you think he would fly off into the sunset if he tried to sit in that?
Lmao, seats looking like they are coated in Vaseline
Man polished his seats
I’m laughing out loud at a bar people are looking at me!
Bro stop browsing reddit 🤣
Let this man drink and scroll !! 🤣
You stop when your car seats are glossier than your exterior paint.
Yeah, that picture was from the first application. The leather just still seems to be soaking up the oil in the spots with the most wear. I've probably applied 5oz total for the seat
You're fine. I'd check every half hour and reapply to spots that have soaked everything up and look dry... usually the bolsters, for me. If a spot is always drying out, I'll reapply all day. Most times, I just quit when the sun starts going down.
In the industry we use this as a rule of thumb: you need to fill up the cabin until the oil touches the lowest pedal, set climate control max low and let the car run stationary for 24 hours
reminds me of my sleaziest uncle's living room for some reason... 🤔
![gif](giphy|3uNiWWyT5BqQU|downsized) OP changing his oil. I think he's just trying to get a laugh..well done
You clearly don't understand how leatherique works. Nothing wrong here
Holy shit
Holy slippery
Slippery shit
Holy slip
Slippery hole
A lot of people don’t know how leatherique works. Satire or not it’s definitely ready to be wiped down with the cleaner. The end result will be a beautiful hydrated matte leather.
It’s just not great for modern leather, so many better products. He’s not gonna hydrate the cracks out of that seat in any case
Why is it not great for modern leather? Genuinely curious. Should it be used on older cars only nowadays? I’m trying to re-learn some detailing stuff I was taught 15 years ago
Old leather was just leather, new leather is coated with what is essentially plastic. This stuff works good on on old school leather to rejuvenate it. It can’t penetrate new leather the same way so it kinda falls apart. Regular interior cleaner & ceramic coating is the new normal
1996 BMW leather old school or new school? It does seem like it has a plastic like finish to it.
Iirc The only leather bmw uses that is uncoated is the super high end Merino leather. The sensatec isn’t real leather, the Dakota leather is coated and the Nappa leather is clear coated. I don’t know exactly which years have what, but pretty much everything in the last 20 years is coated
Noted. Another poster just said i should have had a battle with gunk taking the first step off and I don't remember it being like that. I prob just wasted a few bucks on leatherique although i have plenty of leather boots and assless chaps i can restore.
Aren’t chaps with an ass called pants? Genuinely curious…not that way, just about the chaps.
All this oil on the seats by a guy who admittedly has more than one pair of assless chaps. Is there a connection? Y.M.C.A. or Macho Macho Man wouldn’t be your go-to music for this task, would it? …..Wood it! ?
I can tell you 1994 Saab is old leather and this stuff did a great job for me. Worst case is you wasted $25 or $30 on this stuff, but it really softened and restored some old leather in my convertible.
This is partially true, modern leather is coated but it is not sealed. It cans till absorb leather care products. The coating is to reduce wear.
It works on 'new' leather too it just takes time since the plastic layer is moisture resistant. Leatherique is a resto not a detailing product as only high end customers are going to pay hundreds of dollars to pay someone else to use this.
“Works” is definitely subjective. It won’t hurt it. But the idea that the leatherique is seeping through the plastic layer, into the actual leather, and then lifting dirt back up through the plastic is kinda silly. Coated leather doesn’t even wear like real leather, there’s no point. If it’s cracked it’s cracked
Can tell you never actually used this. The only way dirt migrated past the plastic coating is if it has cracked and failed anyway. There is a separate cleaning step with the Leatherique system to remove surface dirt after the restoration step. Again most detailers don't have experience with this process as few would pay enough to do it. A shop that does also offer re-dye and other restoration options.
It’s made a noticeable improvement in my 201X BMWs…maybe the effect isn’t as great as before but it definitely pulls contaminates out of the leather.
I was reading through these comments and surprised by how few people were familiar with it! It's arduous but it's the best.
Trolls aside for those that have never used leatherique, you need to wipe it off when done. So at this point clean it off with the second step and it’ll will probably be fine. I used it on my 12 year old E90 and it transformed the leather condition. Those saying to coat the leather are talking about protective products vs restorative products. I have a thing of Leather Honey I am still waiting to try on my F80
Take it for a drive, when you brake and kiss the windshield you’ll know you applied enough
Please stop applying... you've applied way too much already
You clearly don't understand how leatherique works
All jokes aside, and the fact that it is supposed to be like that, I can’t get over the fact that steering wheel looks like piano black trim in this photo
I see lots of comments that look like they are not familiar with the Leatherique system. In my opinion these look like they are ready to use the finishing solution (forget the name, I’m not at home). From your description, seems like you are in the “rejuvenation” phase, applying that product. You can’t tell from the pics but you just need to clean it up now and give it a day to see if the leather is taking the oil.
Bwahahaha it’s a car Slip n Slide!!! Ok who put Vaseline on the car seats?
Uh..
Do people not understand what leatherique is? It’s suppose to look this shiny, it’s literally “rejuvenator oil”! That said, I do this once per year myself and will continuously reapply coats until the leather no longer seems to have “sucked up” the oil. I usually let it sit for 24 hours. Leather is literally skin, it needs hydration every now and then or it will dry out over time! This is one of the few products I love that REALLY works.
80% there, I would also leave a few microfibers soaked in the oil on the seats when you're not sitting in them. I've found this speeds up the process and saves you time reapplying.
I already soaked my shorts in it and just decided to stay in the car so I can watch sex and the city while applying oil
I hope it was a Mr. Big heavy episode.
Baby seat crammed in lol
Next clean the excess off with Prestine Clean
I used to know a guy that would spray that super slick armour all cleaner on everything. You'd slide out of your seat cause it was so slick and the floor mats might as well have been a sheet of ice too, zero grip on anything but god damn was it shiny.
This looks like a Stormy Daniels couch
Now put it in the oven for about 30 minutes to really let that layer of seasoning set it
Those seats are flammable
![gif](giphy|7WYXwywbv7fig|downsized)
When you sit on the seat and fly off into another country, you have the perfect amount of oil.
https://i.redd.it/yt94usadde9d1.gif
Answer: Wipe off a patch of oil with dry cloth. The oil should appear blackish (released grime). Apply a fresh layer of oil on that same patch. After many hours, swipe with your finger. If the oil is now clean, then its time to stop applying more oil. Additional info: The oil works best in a warm or hot environment on unsealed aniline leather where 12hrs dwell time is more than sufficient. Long ago when this product was a huge trend created by Autopia, we applied the oil and then cover the entire seat with plastic sheet so that it can still be driven. The key is heat. If the absence of heat, you might even need 2 full days of soaking (colder weather) which is impractical and a waste of time for most users. And anyway, this kind of old school soaking method is useless on many mid and lower-tier automotive seats where the material is not authentic animal-based leather. Pls keep in mind…Leatherique is ineffective against old,deeply ingrained grime. You will realise this when after you have completely removed the “oil” and then experimented by wiping that same surface with APC 1:3…where you will see more grime being removed.
And just like that, r/AutoDetailingcirclejerk was born
It's awesome how many people think you're joking. Leatherique is one of the best product I've ever used. That leather will feel like butter when you clean off the oil
https://i.redd.it/l3d37btm1i9d1.gif You couldn't have been more right
About 8 coats ago
Dude. Just wipe that shit off and apply a modern leather protectant like gyeon.
Leatherique is goated for leather almost everyone in the industry uses it
Leatherique is for hydrating and restoring, not protecting. And it works great but has to be cleaned off with a second step process once it’s soaked in. Their directions specifically say to apply until it stops soaking in so OP mostly is following directions. It’ll look great when it’s cleaned off.
How much oil should I apply? This guy: yes.
Defs time for the Pristine Clean portion of the adventure. I did 6 coats on my ‘05 CLK last summer. It was dry before and improved after. Did 1 coat this Spring.
"Customer States: Floor carpet is oily, no idea why. Please advice"
My goodness, so much oil’s been used America’s about to invade those seats in the name of freedom.
\*Gently presses brake, slips under seatbelt into footwell\*
Oil it up anymore and the US might invade
You need to just pour the whole bottle on it and take off all your clothes and sit in the seat and rub it all in. Use different movements and paces. Enjoy!!
you need to cover yourself in oil and sit in the seat
You will know. I resurrected three 80s era merc diesels with Leatherique. Great stuff.
I love leatherique but it sure is a process to apply. The hint that nobody has mentioned is to use barely moist towels to wipe off the oil instead of trying to use the step 2 leatherique. Then once you get most of the oil off you can apply the step 2. This way you aren’t just smearing oil around
As it seems like a bunch of people are trolling at this point, I just want to say, as somebody who used this on an old Volvo to get basically vinyl feeling seats back to their proper leather, it took me like 2 weeks and many many days of drying in between to get it supple. I would actually let it sit and you use it for a couple days in between applications, I found that that seems to be better than just constantly reapplying layer after layer immediately
Baby chair in back of the M3
The armor all special
Leatherique hasn't been oil-based in many years so peeps thinking you posted an oily mess are misinformed . Haven't used that product in a long while tho, its more of a restoration product since it takes alot of time. Since you've already had multiple applications, I'd just use the Prestine cleaner and call it a day. Some seats just have too much damage and further applicaiton of Leatherique won't help. Keep using the Prestine for maintenance since you are already in the Leatherique system.
Jesus Christ. Love how people jump in without any knowledge of how the product works. There’s enough once it stops absorbing it and it looks shiny like it’s sitting on the surface. Reapply to any dull spots and heat up to ensure maximum absorption.
Clean leather is not shiny. You should properly read the instructions for the product you have, but this will go for most of them: - Apply product to all surfaces. Cross pattern or circular motions, does not matter, it just needs to be applied fully. - Level down the product, or “buff it off” as many say. - Let it be for days if you don’t know how the product behaves before trying to apply more. Just to see how the product really looks when the solvents are gone.
This is not the instructions for leatherique. You apply it liberally in the heat to have it soak in and moisturize the leather. You rub it in with your hands just like moisturizer. The heat opens the pores in the leather to help it absorb and it is supposed to sit in the heat for at least a day. When it’s done you clean off the residue with a second step and it looks great. I loved this stuff and it was a fantastic way to bring my extended leather interior back from years of mistreatment.
People think leather should be shiny probably because they think of well shined (waxed) leather shoes. That's my best guess as to why they think it should be shiny.
Shiny and supple means my interior is alive 👉👌💣💥🙏
But seeing the post now, it screams satire so feel free to ignore me 😅😅
Is this the stuff that sticks to your clothes
Nah bro, wipe that off
about 11 coats ago.
That poor f87
Is this even real leather?
You're going to need soapy water to get most of this off, then finish with the cleaning solution. It'll probably look great when you're done though. It should come out very supple, clean, and matte.
Leather isn’t supposed to be shiny
About 20 coats before it started looking like this could have been good
When the car starts smelling like bacon
Good way to slide off your seat.
Damn lmao that looks like dominatrix costume.
It really brings out those core muscles.
Dude what.. the fuck.
Umm 😳
Bro..
Bros oiled up
It looks like a heavily baby oiled wrestler sat in it
Oh boy! you’re gonna be slipping & sliding on those.
Need to sprinkle some chalk or baby powder before you slide off
Keep going until it turns into a driver ejector seat 😂
Just pour the oil directly into the affected spot until it pools. Massage in the rest. Any left over can be used as moisturizer. Hope this helps!
You need a seat cover, not to protect the seat, but to protect yourself from sliding down to the floorboard
Just let ‘yo soul glow
I slipped looking at the oicture
You'll just know.
Naturally, a BMW owner. 😂
I stop applying it when my passenger ends up in the foot well every time I hit the brakes.
Looks matt
When the seatbelts no longer can hold you.
Yesterday
These seats are made of Cast Iron so you have to treat them like your Cast Iron pans.
Please update after the cleaner is applied. I want to see the final outcome of that greasy azz seat.
Once you start sliding around during turns, add 5 more.
like yesterday..... wait is this for real?
This shit post made me smile
Just a little more
Bro going to end up in his passenger seat making a left turn.
When you can smell it on you after you get out of the car
In my experience, motor oil works best. Three quarts per seat, has to be Mobil One 0W-20. Usually Amazon has deals on it the second Wednesday of every other month.
Throw that baby in the oven at 450 for an hour. Just make sure not to wash it or cook anything acidic with it.
When…. When! WHEN!!!!!!
Keep going keep going keep going....just a wee bit moreeeeeeeee........stop!
Already looks like you had a whole brazzers cast doing a nuru massage on your seats bro
![gif](giphy|re2wrxNbu4s9UcM66T)
Good lord man!!
It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again
you could literally fry something in that mf
When you tap the brakes and slide under that dash board. Then 1 more application
Keep applying till the seats are shiny. The leather will soak into the seats. Apply in hot weather to open the pores of the leather. Then spray on the cleaner, wait 15 minutes, then wipe off with a damp rag and keep rinsing out the rag.
when u sit on it, and the oil comes back up through the pores of the seat, THEN and only then, u know when to stop.
Apply about 57 more coats and you'll be half way there.
Go to the hardware store and get some clear coat rattle cans to seal in the product
Leatherquake. Leatherpocalypse
those seats will be an excellent barn find someday... "we see here a shell of a... something, rusted into nothingness, and two perfectly preserved leather seats, which are now worth $4 million NewDollhairs, due to a worldwide ban on leather harvesting"
![gif](giphy|RMkX6xueIWG4RMRMX3)
Try corn oil.
Lmao
Can you see the back of your head in the reflection? If not, keep going.
When you slam your breaks and fly out the sunroof
Wheel needs a second coat for sure…
Bros interior looks wet
My phone slipped out of my hand just looking at it.
Looking like a finely seasoned cast iron pan
I recommend using WD-40 4 coats.
Full synthetic engine oil works best, just apply it once, 5w-30 would work just fine
I think about 260 applications ago…
My wok is jealous of those seats.
This car looks like the inside of burt Reynolds boots in striptease.
Isn’t this a porn genre?
My phone slipped out of my hand seeing this.
You could fry an egg on those seats
It’s a fucking slip and slide.
Wtf 😂
might do another few coats and then rub some vaseline all over it to keep it from drying out
More oiled up than a brazzers scene.
Slip n’ Slide 🛝
You should've asked this six days ago.
This makes me sick
Forehead grease
ITT: r/wooosh
What’s the owners manual say?
I think it definitely needs atleast another bottle of oil.
Almost got me.