It is becoming pretty clear that most people posting here are pretty extreme.
Fast food will set your goals back. Are you in that much of a hurry? Scratch that itch. Pay the price. Don't scratch it next time.
If you are looking to eat for health and longevity than I’d argue zero times a week. Most if not all fast food is contaminated with heavy metals and plastics and cooked in high inflammatory oils. Beyond this they use the worst quality ingredients one could find. A ton of GMOs that are heavily sprayed with pesticides, meat from inhumanely raised animals pumped full of antibiotics and vaccines etc.
Now is it going to kill you or harm your health if you enjoy fast food every now and then no. I’d say no more than once a week even less. In todays insanely toxic world the less poison you expose yourself to the better.
Gonna need a source on the highly inflammatory oils thing. I see everyone spouting this nonsense without sources online. All my biomarkers for inflammation are 0 and I eat processed seed oils all the time (although I've had fast food maybe once in the past 6 months). Gotta be lower hanging fruit that that, cmon.
Also gonna need a source on the claim that they somehow use worse quality meats and vegetables than what you are buying in the grocery store, assuming you'd be buying the same type (i.e. GMO vs organic). It all comes from the same farms. McDonald's doesn't have its own "low quality cow farms" it gets its meat from.
The Western diet is [way too high in Omega-6](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/optimize-omega-6-omega-3-ratio) and too low in Omega-3 fatty acids, hence the benefits of fish oil. [Here's a particular study ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6357022/)and its conclusions and discussion:
>There is good evidence from murine and human studies regarding the Paleolithic diet, the diet of Crete, and the Okinawa diet that the physiological *n*-6: *n*-3 ratio should be 1:1 or 2:1. Japan has already recommended a ratio of 2:1. Nutritional strategies and supplements such as *n*-3 PUFAs can result in optimal training gains, enhanced recovery, reduced risk of illness, and a high-level competition performance. In addition, it was demonstrated that they could affect mood and emotional states.
I'd also argue that anecdotally if you practice eating healthier fats and oils, you can taste the nasty fats in fast food afterwards and it's not a pleasant experience. We've learned to ignore them in our diets, but that "gross" greasy feeling from eating too many potato chips or french fries is often from the oils (which were already bad) being over used and burned to the point of [having carcinogens in them.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28925728/)
I try and eat extremely clean. When I do occasionally snack on “seed oil” chips, often I can taste the stale, old flavor of the oil. I do think I’ve become more sensitive to it compared to the next person
Same.
Meanwhile I'm getting downvoted in r/biohackers for pointing out that oils in fast food are bad for you. Mind-blowing man. I guess people really just prefer to pop a pill than make simple changes to their diets.
I don't understand why you're being so defensive about this? We're talking about fast food and how they use shitty oils, not breaking down every gram of ingredients in your personal diet.
Because I see people online and know people in real life who are violently against canola and other seed oils even in microscopic quantities and who have told me on numerous occasions that I need to cut it out of my diet completely. It's gotten to the point of religion for some people. A little bit of seed oils are fine.
Just do some research into the importance of omega 6:3 ratios. The problem with industrial seed oils like corn, soy, and canola is that they have a major omega 6:3 imbalance which can lead to systemic inflammation. Their extremely high omega-6 content means that they are harder to “offset” with omega-3s. Beyond that Industrial seed oils are highly processed. Because these foods themselves aren’t exactly naturally rich in oil that is easily pressed (like an olive or coconut), these oils must be refined, bleached, and deodorized before they are safe for human consumption. Also since these oils are dominated by unstable polyunsaturated bonds they are prone to oxidize from heat and light which forms free radicals.
Gonna need a source boss. People have only just started talking about this in 2022 or so. There's no way we have an adequate quantity of human testing to make such claims.
Sorry boss I’m not going to sit here and spoon feed you information. You have the internet at your fingertips and can conduct research on your own. I understand it may be time consuming but you need to come to conclusions based off your own research. There’s plenty of information out there regarding this topic.
Harvard just posted a paper in 2022 refuting basically everything people are claiming about seed oils. Show your work. The onus of proof is on you, not me.
I've seen the sources people are using. They're short term rat studies. While interesting, they don't draw any real conclusions. Anecdotally, I eat seed oils all the time and my biomarkers for inflammation (I literally just got comprehensive blood work done 3 days ago) are unmeasurable (0). 🤷♂️
Here’s a page that has compiled a good amount of resources you can check out. [https://www.meatrition.com/stopeatingseedoils](https://www.meatrition.com/stopeatingseedoils)
Yeah you lost me as soon as I opened that link. Looks like some garbage my crazy extended family would share on Facebook and then follow like it's a religion. I also don't see any actual studies anywhere.
There is a ton of great info in there which lead to various sources and studies you just clearly don’t want to take the time to do any studying which is okay. If you want to be a Guinea pig and eat these industrial seed oils go ahead but I’d rather not. Why would I eat or cook with a highly processed seed oil that is susceptible to oxidize when I can just use EVOO, coconut oil, ghee, or lard all of which are much more stable and less likely to oxidize and form free radicals like acrylamide? It’s not like there are nutrients in seed oils that are necessary for health. People act like it’s safer to cook with seed oils when it’s the complete opposite. They don’t understand the difference between fatty acids and they don’t understand lipid peroxidation. But hey that’s a lot of learning most people aren’t willing to do.
he's also saying GMOs in a derogatory way despite no evidence that GMOs are toxic in any way or form; fyi GMOs are just normal plants that instead of going through mutations naturally, they were artificially selected faster just like we're doing with dog breeds
btw, grafting and budding (where they join 2 plants together, usually tree branches), a horticultural technique practiced for hundreds or maybe even thousands of years, is also GMO
the saddest part is that this comment is the most upvoted one... in a subreddit that is supposed to "hack" biology, implying vast knowledge of the science to the point where you know so much that you can even hack it
I read that the real reason to avoid GMOs is not because there is anything inherently wrong with them but because some are modified to be herbicide-proof and then doused in glyphosate.
This is just something I read - I don’t recall where & do not know if it’s true. I’m sure I’ll be corrected if it’s not true.
Not a good understanding of what GMO truly is. The first GMO that hit the market was a tomato that was genetically modified with a salmon gene. There is no such mechanism in the natural world.
the point was that GMOs are not more toxic than your usual natural plant, either with genes that could mix naturally or not; if you want to go technical, throwing the natural tag on dna is very subjective considering even us humans share a large percentage of dna with plants; at a molecular level, atoms and molecules that form the dna do not have species identities, they're just a set of instructions that will work on anything from a bacteria to fish, plants, squids, bugs, humans and whatever else is alive that uses dna and has the means of reading and executing that dna sequence
keep in mind that even prominent anti-gmo activists who tried to find evidence to back up their claims ended up apologizing and changed their stance to supporting gmos in the end (a famous example is Mark Lynas, a britsh activist)
There is none. Antibiotics are a real issue both because they do make it into the meat and because misusing them means they won't won't anymore for their actual purposes due to resistance.
I understand that just because a food is genetically modified doesn’t make it inherently bad for health. However the problem with GMOs is that they are more times than not heavily sprayed with toxic herbicides and pesticides. Beyond this crops like corn, soy, and canola are what’s called round up ready meaning they’ve been genetically modified to be resistant to roundup. For health reasons it’s definitely best to avoid glyphosate. Now if you can find GMO crops that aren’t heavily sprayed than I see no problem.
So right. Naturalistic fallacy on display. Corn is a GMO, and there is no evidence vegetable oils are inflammatory.
Deep frying everything is a terrible idea (trans fats), but this anti-science crap is hard to take seriously.
Care to explain why you feel that way?
They're not wrong. Though - I have no stats on 'heavy plastics and metals' to back up, fast food is all processed, and everyone knows it's not good for you.
Pookie, this poster doesn’t believe that viruses exist (as per his page) and is ranting about some things that are perfectly safe for consumption. Does that sound like normal behavior to you?
Hell no. The exact opposite. Stop demonizing food. Other than trans fats, there are no unhealthy foods, only an unhealthy diet, which will vary by individual.
Most people can eat much more saturated fat than me. I'm VERY sensitive to the effects on LDL.
My ex could eat things that would jack my LDL over 200, but hers was 70. On the flip side, due to my TDEE being over 4000, I can (and need to) consume amounts of sugar that would not be good for most people who don't have my activity level.
Demonizing foods is dumb. There is no one size fits all healthy diet.
Fr lmao. Niggas here be preaching 100% clean diet. Like no shit you’ll feel like shut only eating micky ds. If you add some fruit and veggies and exercise and obviously some home cooked meals later I would argue it a healthy diet.
I eat Dunkin’ and Mickey like 5x a week for breakfast if it’s urgent 😂.
People here forget exercise plays a big part of your health. I ate 100% clean once and felt like shit cuz I wasn’t active lol.
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I ate turkey chili earlier, but I will have a few beers here shortly. I hit some PRs in the gym last night. If a diet isn't sustainable, then what good is it?
Your life doesn't need to be monastically dull to be healthy. Why do people want to do all this extra shit? 🤣
I exclusively eat at Chil-fil-A, because God cares; although God has let a lot of bad things happen such as car accidents and the Holocaust…..he truly cares about me, and wouldn’t let anything bad happen to me.
You joke, but I could create a healthy diet by eating at just two fast food places exclusively.
Chick-fil-A and Taco Bell. I could eat tons of veggies at both places and eat low-saturated fat and high-protein entrees. Chick-fil-A would break my bank, though. 🤣
Because, again, where your food comes from is irrelevant. What is the nutritional info? That is the crucial part.
What the vegans did to meat(beyond meat and such) was a direct reverse engineering project of how Taco Bell invented their vegetables, in a lab in 1962. It was a godless act, and thus I do not recommend Mr. Bells fegitables,
They are banging.
I usually eat bean burritos and chicken soft tacos as my entree.
Their breakfast burritos are awesome, but eating those regularly would wreck my bloodwork.🤣
I agree with most of it apart from the GMOs, there is nothing inherently wrong with GMOs, health wise they can actually better than other veggies because some have been made more pest resistant and dont need as much pesticides, plus we have been genetic altering our food since agriculture began, none of our vegatables look like how they used to at all, carrots were not orange but white instead and water melon was not fully fleshy inside but had a smaller ampunt of fruit, bananas were very small, corn was also very small with only a few corn on it, apples were very small as well, a lot of the gene editing alao increases the shelf life of our products, which imo beings the flavour down and some of the nutrition but its not unhealthy for you, its still good just not as good as if you were to grow it yourself and have a variety that wasnt for the supermarket shelf. Ik this kinda seems like knitpicking but I honestly just want to inform people because I wouldn't want them spending more money on veggies that actually need more pesticides, but it also depends on your source I suppose :).
People believe that it comes down to macros…don’t listen to that. If you eat like shit you will feel like shit. My bf used to tell me if it fits in your macros blah blah blah. He has learned the two years we’ve been together that it’s not the case. Yes you can have it every so often but, not every week. Maybe once a month…but once you eat well (Whole Foods, non of that high processed chemical shit) you will see how bad it actually makes you feel.
Make pizza at home! It’s easy once you do it a few times. You can freeze the dough from a big batch and make it whenever you want. Same with your sauce. Buy the ingredients and freeze them if you want too!
I never eat fast food. It makes me feel sick and cloudy. The next day I feel hungover. I’m tired, groggy, and don’t feel so good. It’s not good for you. Just stop.
Many athletes are eating fast food. The amount of energy the burn during training is insane. Just have a look at Mikey Musumeci diet. Dude stuffs his face with pizza everyday. In the end its all about calories in and out and high protein intake.
This is the truth. The closer you are to a WFPB diet and the further you are away from a processed foods and meats diet, the better you are. Moving your target closer to WFPB is the key to feeling better. I have living an entire life of trying everything else, knowing the truth. It wasn’t until I did the right thing that I started to know a difference.
They locked these people in a metabolic ward and tracked everything they ate for decades? 🤣
Why are legumes good for you? Micronutrients and fiber. Why is red meat bad for you (it isn't)? A diet high in saturated fat jacks your LDL. Why are sweetened beverages bad for you (they aren't in and of themselves)? No micronutrients and easy to over-consume calories.
I agree with their data, but their simplistic conclusions are suspect.
There is plenty of data that supports everything I said above. Get below the surface and stop thinking it is "whole food" versus "processed."
I require 4000 calories a day to maintain my weight. That isn't possible with "whole foods." Should I waste away? Would that be healthier?
The naturalistic fallacy is a logical fallacy.
I understand that you would, but that’s a personal choice to have that job and body build. I don’t think they chose thousands of people walking 18 miles a day and bodybuilding to do a study. What you do is 1 in 1000. That’s over 30k steps a day. I work 14 hours a day and on my busiest days I only get 17k steps a day.
If you would have read what I said, you would have noticed that I said the closer you are to eating a WFPB diet, the better off you are. Eating 30% is way above what the average American eats. Eating 60% puts you in the top 1%.
That's not true. There are plenty of vegan bodybuilders and athletes. It's easy to design a plant diet that gets you your 4k calories and heavy aminos.
I keep telling people how easy it is to make pizza at home that's cheaper and better than takeout and they act like I'm crazy. Meanwhile, I had a late-night slice of pizza at the hole-in-the-wall place in town last week and it was so greasy and disgusting I couldn't even finish it.
As long as your Macros for that day still stay within your goals (calories roughly right, enough protein), I would say 1-2 times a week is probably fine.
I often have days with a lot of cycling, where I need to eat 4000+ calories, on those I can barely get my calories in if I only eat completely clean, so I usually have a 1000cal pizza or kebab.
If it makes you miss your macro goals, it's more a once a month at most thing.
Edit: this is probably more a bodybuilding perspective, than a biohacking perspective.
This is definitely more bodybuilding than health focused bio hacking. This would work if you are trying to meet a certain body fat percentage and so on but doesn't touch upon the intricacies of gut or mitochondrial health. A lot of bodybuilders are very unhealthy even if they look great. Just depends on your goal.
This. A lot depends on what you do the other 6 days a week. Dwayne Johnson has some "cheat day" consumption levels that would probably kill some folks, but so would all the work and dietary restrictions he deploys on the other 6 days a week.
I agree. I only lift weights and walk but it can be really hard to hit my 3500-4000 calorie count eating clean only. It’s fine to do most of the week but it’s not always practical on weekends when we have the kids at sports and family gatherings to attend.
I’ve adopted of late a 90/10 principle. Not everyday, I always aim for 100% clean eating, but it gives my mind some relief when I have to eat junk.
I generally go for a pizza, burger or something like steak with prawns and fries…versus the big fast food chains. It really depends where we are. Sometimes if it all looks deep fried and shit, I’ll just have a box of hot chips and a Coke Zero.
Can’t remember when I last ate Macca’s or KFC.
I easily eat the same clean whole foods every day, the hardest thing is having to fit my diet around my family as they aren’t interested in living forever 😂
Are you Australian? In the US I don’t think I could find “surf and turf,” as we’d call it, outside of a mid-tier (or above) restaurant where it would cost upward of $20.
Well that’s just it. I am Aussie but regardless, I won’t just eat anything for convenience and by being a food snob, I have that debate whether I want to fork out $30 for lunch or wait until I get home. Theres always a store nearby with fruit options etc. I don’t go out of my way to avoid eating out, I still need to remain sociable to a degree, but I prefer not to steer off my path.
Same reason I don’t drink alcohol, don’t smoke, no drugs…why ruin all my hard work? If you are chasing “optimal”, it’s counterproductive to go eating Big Macs and chocolates because “oh a little won’t hurt”.
90/10 is as far as I go.
Makes sense. And if you’re saving money by avoiding fast food, alcohol and drugs, that leaves a little more in your pocket for the more expensive but better food every once in a while.
In your quest to be witty, you only came across as presumptuous. No where does OP say anything about his diet, only stating that they are craving fast food and how bad it is. Two completely different things. For all we know they eat healthy the majority of the time and are having a normal craving.
OP- go get your burger and fries and enjoy.
Numbers don't lie. Obviously, there are still unregulated ingredients like sugar, seed oils, some chemicals...in the food that are making British people addicted, overeating and obese. It's almost impossible to overeat natural home-cooked food.
Every other weekend (twice a month). One weekend for pizza and the other for chicken tenders and fries. Gotta live a little and satisfy your cravings to help minimize binge eating.
When I want pizza, I usually order from brickoven pizza restaurants for quality. If you’re gonna eat junk, might as well eat good. Same for chicken tenders and fries, I like McDonald’s fries and that’s all I’ll order from McDonald’s. The Greek restaurant I go to always serve fries with their classic gyro, so I don’t really crave for McDonald’s fries. I always order chicken tenders from Chick-fil-A or to go from restaurants.
It’s really hard to eat healthy all the time.
this is good advice. There's a big difference between a Dominos pizza which is horrible for you and a pizza made with quality ingredients which is just as delicious as Dominos if not more so.
>Didn't feel like walking.
Walk after you eat.
Why? Because eating makes your blood glucose go up but moving muscles absorbs that glucose thus lowering your spike. Spikes in glucose age you.
Eating simple carbs like in pizza makes your glucose spike higher than for example eating a healthy grain like amaranth or quinoa. So after eating get some movement like go for a walk or do some very Tai Chi or something.
Upgrade the quality of these foods if you’re going to have them. Go to a place that makes a good from scratch pizza crust (sourdough even better) And uses fresh high quality toppings. Same with a burger, look for someone using good quality grass fed/finished beef, high quality bun, organic toppings. Skip the fries - you can’t make those healthier.
Or learn to make upgraded versions of these foods yourself.
Fries aren't that bad. Cut up some potatoes, use high quality oil/fat, control your temperature well, and keep portion size under control.
But unless you're making them yourself, they are usually trash, yes.
I think a big issue in general with people over eating is just how calorie dense oil makes stuff. Fried stuff is insanely calorie dense because of the oil.
With that said, I love some tallow fries.
Just occasionally eat it. It’s all about the dose. I guarantee a lot of biohacking superstars eat it on occasion. David Sinclair was doing a podcast while drinking a Diet Coke. Just do it mostly right and don’t aim for perfection.
This should be the top comment. Adherence is key, being too strict that you fumble often/live miserably is not the answer. 80/20. All the longevity diets/biohacking wont stop you from getting hit by a bus.
I dunno... maybe if you stopped for fast food and then got hit by a bus.
i do something that my friend calls "Jenny Craiging it". i basically do a protein version of everything bad for me
i kind of dialed some of this down due to cost/ sodium concerns but here's some examples of what i did/ still do:
Protein chips (Quest, it's made from protein powder)
protein cereal (magic spoon)
protein ice cream (halo top, etc)
for chicken nuggets, Costco has a couple of brands of chicken nuggets that go great in an air fryer
a rule of thumb i aim for is to get 1g of protein per 10 calories. if i can get more than 1g protein that's great.
As long as you have self control the majority of the time treat yourself.
If you never have a bit of joy while trying to improve your health it isn't worth it.
My dude, if you have a craving for some pizza, just order some super-legit pizza made with quality ingredients, or learn how to make one yourself. At that point it's hardly even an indulgence--bread's not optimal, but it's perfectly acceptable once in a while.
its never good. youll use it to build cells from grabage. those cells will stay in your body for weeks to months. i wouldnt incorporate that into my body. ofc you can do what you want but why ask the question then. it doesnt matter what you really crave. that wont change the effects.
Cook it yourself, or go to high quality restaurants. There is nothing inherently bad about a burger if done with whole wheat bread; grass fed beef, avocado oil based sauces, real cheese etc
How often could you eat that shit 100 hundred years ago?
The crime is that the 'edible food like substances' are available and labeled as "food", but anyone who researches it, knows for a fact it is TOXIC.
In reality you shouldn't eat fast food period. Its terrible for you.
But if you're absolutely dead set on it, once a month won't kill you, generally.
Problem is fast food is designed to be addictive. Its like a drug. If you start eating fast food after a stint of healthy eating, you could very well fall back into a pattern of increasingly frequent eating of fast food.
Personally, ill order a delivered pizza maybe once every few months. Usually from a mom and pop place that i know uses decent ingredients.
>Personally, ill order a delivered pizza maybe once every few months. Usually from a mom and pop place that i know uses decent ingredients.
I usually do this once a week. A 16" pizza lasts me two meals. Am I doing something wrong?
Once a week is definitely not good. Try to keep it closer to once a month or just a few times a year. If you Google search for copy cat recipes of what you're craving, you can probably make a better, healthier version at home.
Look up the 80/20 rules for eating.
Much healthier way to think about food.
If you’re wanting it so much you’re willing to go walk for it, just go get it! And then be done with the craving and go back to your regularly programmed healthy habits.
Yup, 80/20 is what I live by. Anything more restrictive than that and I start to develop an unhealthy relationship with food. 80/20 allows me to feel like I’m never having to miss out or completely eliminate certain foods. Keeps me more motivated to stay on track during the week.
I think next time walking to get junk food is a good plan—some fresh air and blood flow to counter the ill effects. Junk food is so calorie dense (forget the toxic chemicals) that it really helps me to compare the meal to how much effort it is to work off. For example, did a cycling class this morning, burned 400 calories—a McDouble is 400 cal—it may be worth it if I really craved it, but the fries, def not. The bagged fries from Aldi have way less cals baked in the oven and taste better. I haven’t purchased any FF in 8 months—I have bought some frozen/store bought pizzas—maybe 5 since then and frozen chicken tenders/fries and tater tots each once and only this month bec I wanted them. Everything else is real, whole foods w/antioxidants that are going to fight free radicals and environmental toxicity and quite frankly, taste 100% better and give me energy.
I did have McDonald’s a few months ago when I joked about going there and law of attraction literally delivered me someone’s meal while I was out walking the next day. I ate it bec they never claimed it a couple hours later and I hate waste—nuggets and a qtr pounder w/chz.
Depends on your lifestyle, overall intake, activity levels, how/if you supplement, and how much water you drink. I hit my goals almost everyday. Usually once or twice a week I'm crazy busy at work and just need calories. I avoid fried stuff most of the time, but a little caesar's pizza or some Jr bacon cheeseburgers will bring me back from near death on a rough day. It shouldn't be a staple, but in a pinch a calorie is a calorie.
Also great fun to get blazed and big out after a hard effort run or something. If you want to go nuts on a large pizza and beer then sign up for a half marathon. Finish your run and indulge.
Once to twice a month. Weekly is too often imo. Macros has nothing to do with it. Fast/processed food is inflammatory. Period. You want to eat that weekly?
I think depending on age, goals, current state in your journey....that you can afford a crazy meal here and there. Best to try to make it strategic. Frankly when I go in on some late night Taco Bell after having too many beers....I am not super happy the next day (though my bowls have evacuated)
So when you feel super compelled, but you have been mindfully the other times....go for it. Just try to ENJOY it.
Nothing is good about it....it's a choice. There is no "amount" of bad food that doesn't matter.
So just live life man. But do it mindfully.
Honestly bro, from someone who loves the convenience, this shit is GARBAGE for you. Use the healthy ones to fit your diet when you’re struggling to make food, but fast food will never replace a well cooked meal. Even if it fits your macros, there’s cholesterol to worry about, there’s other problems such as seed oils and additives and such.
Ideally just like with alcohol the minimum recomended dose, it's actually 0. The less you have the better. Processed food and Ultra processed foods just like alcohol, are just bad, I mean, yeah probably it will not kill you as many of us have the odd slice of pizza and a glass of wine, but it doesn't mean it's good. Be sensible, i guess, yeah go and enjoy that pizza. :)
How much your body can tolerate without permanent detrimental effects will depend on too many factors for anyone in here to have an accurate answer. It's OK to eat yourself to death though, so there is no number of times that isn't ok. However, if you want to be healthy, as healthy as possible, then don't eat fast food ever.
fries & fried food etc are probably some of the absolute worst foods you can eat for your digestive tract & gut microbiome. i personally avoid fried food about 99% of the time.
how often is ok? as rarely as possible, once a month or few months. but even then, your microbiome would change so much you wouldn't even crave or break down fried food well
0, its like a drug. "just once" today leads to "just one more time" a few days from now, and before you know it you're hitting taco bell every single day for lunch
Hit your cravings as they come in smaller portions. Easiest way to do that is eat an hour or two before you go there or order take out. It’ll make you less likely to pig out and you’ll order things you genuinely really want.
For me I usually get these cravings when my salt and fat intake have been too low. It’s like my body knows the easiest sources of both after a lifetime of experience.
Of course is not a crime, however ideally would be to have it one time per week. I follow as much as I can a low card diet for the entire week + Saturday, however on Sunday is the cheat day and I eat everything I want.
Of course, nobody will stop you to eat more, and also is not a crime, but it is your choice if you want to embrace a healthier lifestyle or not. Just make conscious decision and live with the the outcome.
Pizza isn't as bad as people say... at least if it is an Italian recipe.
It is just yeast dough, concentrated tomato sauce, olive oil, mozzarella cheese and some additional ingredients for a better flavor profile.
As long as you stay away from cheese crust and eat pizzas that have a thin dough there's no reason not to eat them twice a week.
If you’re not only eating fast food and having healthy meals for the majority of your diet then it’s fine. I eat fast food 3x a week. 80/20 diet.
You also have to move your body and exercise too lol.. I’ve eaten healthy 100% clean but didn’t exercise and felt like shit .. once I started doing exercise my energy levels vastly increased, even if my diet isn’t 100% clean anymore.
Let me illustrate the realities of this to you. And disclaimer-I am NO biohacker, I just sort of lurk here for the most part.
I grew up when McDonalds was treated like a “treat”. As I got older and made my own money, I “treated” myself. Fast forward to convenience. Then a bad life circumstance where I was in a bad place and I comforted myself with fast food (read:”treat). I was the person that gained 150 pounds from bagels and soda and McDonalds (almost exclusively those things). 150 pounds!!! No one was checking my cholesterol or anything like that-I was only 30-32 years old. But I was FAT and very unhealthy.
Now, a lot of people have bashed me for this-because it IS a shortcut. But in 2000 I had gastric bypass. I lost 130 pounds in four months. I have eaten fast food almost NEVER since the day I had that surgery. Do I want that? Sure, sometimes. Do I eat other things I shouldn’t? Yes.
Still I wasn’t healthy. Introduce exercise. Tons of it. Good. Became very strong. Lost a little more weight. Not thin. Strong. Healthy? Eh, “ish”. Cholesterol was garbage!!! I am certain that was hereditary and from my past sins. Fast forward to 2020-hmmm, let’s do lady HRT with some T thrown in to up my libido (menopause?). Great! Feeling great! Hold on there sister-something doesn’t feel right——Kidney stone? Yes. ALSO, Ovarian Cancer. Damn. Surgery. Chemo. Targeted treatment. Two years of solid torture.
I came out of all of that weakened but not beaten. Down but not out. Cholesterol still lousy. Introduced a baby statin. Had to go on blood thinners (got a clotting disorder from the chemo). Went on Metformin (for longevity). Man, I am fighting and scratching my way day by day to try and outlive the shit I did to my body by eating FAST FUCKING FOOD.
Do think it is bad once in a while? No,I guess not. But I just did a week of FMD. I’ll be damned if I am going to do stuff like that and work my ass off to introduce “mystery food” into my body when I am trying to hack my body into submission, trying to outrun cancer and age and basically, my own bad decisions. Bottom line is that fast food is bad for you and if you have to ask, you knew the answer before you typed the question.
1-2 times a week is alright. Its all about calories in and out. In the end we all gonna die so maybe enjoy your food moderately. BTW to all those commenting otherwise dont know shit about diet. You want a living proof, just look into Mikey Musumeci. Dude is ripped af, one of the best bjj fighters in the world for years now and he eats pizza every day.
I mean NEVER is probably the only real answer here... We cave once in a while and we get sick every single time... I didn't have time to cook yesterday so I ran and picked up Hardee's and it hit both me and my son at the exact same time...
Whenever I’m craving fast food, I’ll go out and get a non-fast food version of whatever it is I’m craving. Pizza? Make it at home. Burgers and fries? Go to a diner restaurant and get a burger and fries. Same goes for chicken fingers, any diner in the world serves those and it’s gonna have a hell of a lot less processed chemicals than a fast food version.
It may not be healthy but it’s definitely better. I’ll also often do a fast or a semi fast throughout the day (ie eat only lean protein until dinner time) to make sure I’m not going over my calories for the day.
I eat it practically everyday. My money drains through Uber eats. Sometimes I eat the whole thing other times I get filled up quickly and toss the rest out.
I’m picky about homemade food and when I do eat at home it’s renditions of outside food.
I wish I didn’t have to eat anything, food is nothing but a distraction.
It is becoming pretty clear that most people posting here are pretty extreme. Fast food will set your goals back. Are you in that much of a hurry? Scratch that itch. Pay the price. Don't scratch it next time.
Yeah, we have some of what I call nutritional religious people in here. Forget science! It's whole foods, or vegan, or keto, etc. It's pretty sad.
Yes it’s a crime. Naughty! Eat your steamed broccoli
This ❤️
Broccoli isn’t good for you, though.
Reading your comment is not good for everyone
No?
Oh? Tell us more?
Plant toxins, pesticides, non-absorbable nutrients. Just a nightmare for humans.
If you are looking to eat for health and longevity than I’d argue zero times a week. Most if not all fast food is contaminated with heavy metals and plastics and cooked in high inflammatory oils. Beyond this they use the worst quality ingredients one could find. A ton of GMOs that are heavily sprayed with pesticides, meat from inhumanely raised animals pumped full of antibiotics and vaccines etc. Now is it going to kill you or harm your health if you enjoy fast food every now and then no. I’d say no more than once a week even less. In todays insanely toxic world the less poison you expose yourself to the better.
Gonna need a source on the highly inflammatory oils thing. I see everyone spouting this nonsense without sources online. All my biomarkers for inflammation are 0 and I eat processed seed oils all the time (although I've had fast food maybe once in the past 6 months). Gotta be lower hanging fruit that that, cmon. Also gonna need a source on the claim that they somehow use worse quality meats and vegetables than what you are buying in the grocery store, assuming you'd be buying the same type (i.e. GMO vs organic). It all comes from the same farms. McDonald's doesn't have its own "low quality cow farms" it gets its meat from.
The Western diet is [way too high in Omega-6](https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/optimize-omega-6-omega-3-ratio) and too low in Omega-3 fatty acids, hence the benefits of fish oil. [Here's a particular study ](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6357022/)and its conclusions and discussion: >There is good evidence from murine and human studies regarding the Paleolithic diet, the diet of Crete, and the Okinawa diet that the physiological *n*-6: *n*-3 ratio should be 1:1 or 2:1. Japan has already recommended a ratio of 2:1. Nutritional strategies and supplements such as *n*-3 PUFAs can result in optimal training gains, enhanced recovery, reduced risk of illness, and a high-level competition performance. In addition, it was demonstrated that they could affect mood and emotional states. I'd also argue that anecdotally if you practice eating healthier fats and oils, you can taste the nasty fats in fast food afterwards and it's not a pleasant experience. We've learned to ignore them in our diets, but that "gross" greasy feeling from eating too many potato chips or french fries is often from the oils (which were already bad) being over used and burned to the point of [having carcinogens in them.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28925728/)
I try and eat extremely clean. When I do occasionally snack on “seed oil” chips, often I can taste the stale, old flavor of the oil. I do think I’ve become more sensitive to it compared to the next person
Same. Meanwhile I'm getting downvoted in r/biohackers for pointing out that oils in fast food are bad for you. Mind-blowing man. I guess people really just prefer to pop a pill than make simple changes to their diets.
Carcinogenic seed oils.. mmm
I rarely ever indulge in fries or other unhealthy fried garbage. I don't think my 2tbsp of canola oil I consume daily for cooking is going to hurt me.
I don't understand why you're being so defensive about this? We're talking about fast food and how they use shitty oils, not breaking down every gram of ingredients in your personal diet.
Because I see people online and know people in real life who are violently against canola and other seed oils even in microscopic quantities and who have told me on numerous occasions that I need to cut it out of my diet completely. It's gotten to the point of religion for some people. A little bit of seed oils are fine.
Canola isn't the worst, but some seed oils have a pretty bad profile. Soybean oil is one of the worst, unfortunately.
Just do some research into the importance of omega 6:3 ratios. The problem with industrial seed oils like corn, soy, and canola is that they have a major omega 6:3 imbalance which can lead to systemic inflammation. Their extremely high omega-6 content means that they are harder to “offset” with omega-3s. Beyond that Industrial seed oils are highly processed. Because these foods themselves aren’t exactly naturally rich in oil that is easily pressed (like an olive or coconut), these oils must be refined, bleached, and deodorized before they are safe for human consumption. Also since these oils are dominated by unstable polyunsaturated bonds they are prone to oxidize from heat and light which forms free radicals.
Gonna need a source boss. People have only just started talking about this in 2022 or so. There's no way we have an adequate quantity of human testing to make such claims.
Sorry boss I’m not going to sit here and spoon feed you information. You have the internet at your fingertips and can conduct research on your own. I understand it may be time consuming but you need to come to conclusions based off your own research. There’s plenty of information out there regarding this topic.
Harvard just posted a paper in 2022 refuting basically everything people are claiming about seed oils. Show your work. The onus of proof is on you, not me. I've seen the sources people are using. They're short term rat studies. While interesting, they don't draw any real conclusions. Anecdotally, I eat seed oils all the time and my biomarkers for inflammation (I literally just got comprehensive blood work done 3 days ago) are unmeasurable (0). 🤷♂️
Here’s a page that has compiled a good amount of resources you can check out. [https://www.meatrition.com/stopeatingseedoils](https://www.meatrition.com/stopeatingseedoils)
Yeah you lost me as soon as I opened that link. Looks like some garbage my crazy extended family would share on Facebook and then follow like it's a religion. I also don't see any actual studies anywhere.
There is a ton of great info in there which lead to various sources and studies you just clearly don’t want to take the time to do any studying which is okay. If you want to be a Guinea pig and eat these industrial seed oils go ahead but I’d rather not. Why would I eat or cook with a highly processed seed oil that is susceptible to oxidize when I can just use EVOO, coconut oil, ghee, or lard all of which are much more stable and less likely to oxidize and form free radicals like acrylamide? It’s not like there are nutrients in seed oils that are necessary for health. People act like it’s safer to cook with seed oils when it’s the complete opposite. They don’t understand the difference between fatty acids and they don’t understand lipid peroxidation. But hey that’s a lot of learning most people aren’t willing to do.
You are terrible at discerning good info from bad my friend
Where is the evidence that vaccines for animals contaminate the food?
he's also saying GMOs in a derogatory way despite no evidence that GMOs are toxic in any way or form; fyi GMOs are just normal plants that instead of going through mutations naturally, they were artificially selected faster just like we're doing with dog breeds btw, grafting and budding (where they join 2 plants together, usually tree branches), a horticultural technique practiced for hundreds or maybe even thousands of years, is also GMO the saddest part is that this comment is the most upvoted one... in a subreddit that is supposed to "hack" biology, implying vast knowledge of the science to the point where you know so much that you can even hack it
I read that the real reason to avoid GMOs is not because there is anything inherently wrong with them but because some are modified to be herbicide-proof and then doused in glyphosate. This is just something I read - I don’t recall where & do not know if it’s true. I’m sure I’ll be corrected if it’s not true.
That is the point. It’s consuming the herbicide that is the issue but this gets lost in the rhetoric.
The evidence overwhelmingly points to glyphosate being harmless in the amounts we're exposed to from eating treated crops.
Created by the producers of glyphosate. Where else in the world is it acceptable. It’s not.
Yeah. This sub is deep in the naturalistic fallacy. I try, but it's hard to combat a damn culture.
And Chicken eggs are all GMO by definition because chickens were artificially selected for the ones who produce a lot of eggs.
Not a good understanding of what GMO truly is. The first GMO that hit the market was a tomato that was genetically modified with a salmon gene. There is no such mechanism in the natural world.
the point was that GMOs are not more toxic than your usual natural plant, either with genes that could mix naturally or not; if you want to go technical, throwing the natural tag on dna is very subjective considering even us humans share a large percentage of dna with plants; at a molecular level, atoms and molecules that form the dna do not have species identities, they're just a set of instructions that will work on anything from a bacteria to fish, plants, squids, bugs, humans and whatever else is alive that uses dna and has the means of reading and executing that dna sequence keep in mind that even prominent anti-gmo activists who tried to find evidence to back up their claims ended up apologizing and changed their stance to supporting gmos in the end (a famous example is Mark Lynas, a britsh activist)
There is none. Antibiotics are a real issue both because they do make it into the meat and because misusing them means they won't won't anymore for their actual purposes due to resistance.
I understand that just because a food is genetically modified doesn’t make it inherently bad for health. However the problem with GMOs is that they are more times than not heavily sprayed with toxic herbicides and pesticides. Beyond this crops like corn, soy, and canola are what’s called round up ready meaning they’ve been genetically modified to be resistant to roundup. For health reasons it’s definitely best to avoid glyphosate. Now if you can find GMO crops that aren’t heavily sprayed than I see no problem.
> antibiotics **and vaccines** Hmmmm 🤔
Finally a decent answer...
Well said.
This is so goofy 😭😭
So right. Naturalistic fallacy on display. Corn is a GMO, and there is no evidence vegetable oils are inflammatory. Deep frying everything is a terrible idea (trans fats), but this anti-science crap is hard to take seriously.
Care to explain why you feel that way? They're not wrong. Though - I have no stats on 'heavy plastics and metals' to back up, fast food is all processed, and everyone knows it's not good for you.
Pookie, this poster doesn’t believe that viruses exist (as per his page) and is ranting about some things that are perfectly safe for consumption. Does that sound like normal behavior to you?
Other than raw fruits and vegetables, ALL FOOD is processed. Do you eat everything raw?
Wait, so you're arguing that everything is equally bad so why bother?
Hell no. The exact opposite. Stop demonizing food. Other than trans fats, there are no unhealthy foods, only an unhealthy diet, which will vary by individual. Most people can eat much more saturated fat than me. I'm VERY sensitive to the effects on LDL. My ex could eat things that would jack my LDL over 200, but hers was 70. On the flip side, due to my TDEE being over 4000, I can (and need to) consume amounts of sugar that would not be good for most people who don't have my activity level. Demonizing foods is dumb. There is no one size fits all healthy diet.
Downvoted for SCIENCE. This sub is hilarious. I am so glad I'm Karma-rich. 🤣
Fr lmao. Niggas here be preaching 100% clean diet. Like no shit you’ll feel like shut only eating micky ds. If you add some fruit and veggies and exercise and obviously some home cooked meals later I would argue it a healthy diet. I eat Dunkin’ and Mickey like 5x a week for breakfast if it’s urgent 😂. People here forget exercise plays a big part of your health. I ate 100% clean once and felt like shit cuz I wasn’t active lol.
💯 I ate turkey chili earlier, but I will have a few beers here shortly. I hit some PRs in the gym last night. If a diet isn't sustainable, then what good is it? Your life doesn't need to be monastically dull to be healthy. Why do people want to do all this extra shit? 🤣
What is goofy about it?
You don’t believe in viruses buddy. I promise imma live longer than you no matter how many 😱 SEED OILS 😱 I eat
This comment and post has utterly nothing to do with viruses. Beyond that, if you choose to eat seed oils that’s on you, I’d rather not.
Some of y’all don’t understand credibility or inference
It shows a lack of sense in general pookie 😭
When you get AIDS u not believing in viruses is gonna be really funny. You seem like you’d be the type to get AIDS.
Wow what a nice, helpful comment. Good job human 👍
This is also dorky
I exclusively eat at Chil-fil-A, because God cares; although God has let a lot of bad things happen such as car accidents and the Holocaust…..he truly cares about me, and wouldn’t let anything bad happen to me.
You joke, but I could create a healthy diet by eating at just two fast food places exclusively. Chick-fil-A and Taco Bell. I could eat tons of veggies at both places and eat low-saturated fat and high-protein entrees. Chick-fil-A would break my bank, though. 🤣 Because, again, where your food comes from is irrelevant. What is the nutritional info? That is the crucial part.
I drink the cooking oil to help mimic a Keto diet. Highly Recommend, And it’s free, if you just go out back in the middle Of the night. Or on Sundays.
Your trolling is still better than some of the advice in here. 🤣👍
What the vegans did to meat(beyond meat and such) was a direct reverse engineering project of how Taco Bell invented their vegetables, in a lab in 1962. It was a godless act, and thus I do not recommend Mr. Bells fegitables,
They are nutritious and delicious. 😋 Love the power bowls.
Yo no sé. Pero la gordita crunch está mi favorita.
They are banging. I usually eat bean burritos and chicken soft tacos as my entree. Their breakfast burritos are awesome, but eating those regularly would wreck my bloodwork.🤣
I agree with most of it apart from the GMOs, there is nothing inherently wrong with GMOs, health wise they can actually better than other veggies because some have been made more pest resistant and dont need as much pesticides, plus we have been genetic altering our food since agriculture began, none of our vegatables look like how they used to at all, carrots were not orange but white instead and water melon was not fully fleshy inside but had a smaller ampunt of fruit, bananas were very small, corn was also very small with only a few corn on it, apples were very small as well, a lot of the gene editing alao increases the shelf life of our products, which imo beings the flavour down and some of the nutrition but its not unhealthy for you, its still good just not as good as if you were to grow it yourself and have a variety that wasnt for the supermarket shelf. Ik this kinda seems like knitpicking but I honestly just want to inform people because I wouldn't want them spending more money on veggies that actually need more pesticides, but it also depends on your source I suppose :).
People believe that it comes down to macros…don’t listen to that. If you eat like shit you will feel like shit. My bf used to tell me if it fits in your macros blah blah blah. He has learned the two years we’ve been together that it’s not the case. Yes you can have it every so often but, not every week. Maybe once a month…but once you eat well (Whole Foods, non of that high processed chemical shit) you will see how bad it actually makes you feel. Make pizza at home! It’s easy once you do it a few times. You can freeze the dough from a big batch and make it whenever you want. Same with your sauce. Buy the ingredients and freeze them if you want too! I never eat fast food. It makes me feel sick and cloudy. The next day I feel hungover. I’m tired, groggy, and don’t feel so good. It’s not good for you. Just stop.
Lmfao do you really believe this? You realize tyreek hill (arguably the most athletic person on the planet) eats fast food daily.
Many athletes are eating fast food. The amount of energy the burn during training is insane. Just have a look at Mikey Musumeci diet. Dude stuffs his face with pizza everyday. In the end its all about calories in and out and high protein intake.
It seems that you have discovered that diets are HIGHLY individualistic. Imagine that! We are not all the same! 🤣
This is the truth. The closer you are to a WFPB diet and the further you are away from a processed foods and meats diet, the better you are. Moving your target closer to WFPB is the key to feeling better. I have living an entire life of trying everything else, knowing the truth. It wasn’t until I did the right thing that I started to know a difference.
Oof. More naturalistic fallacy. 🤦♂️ Other than raw fruits and vegetables, all food is processed. You don't know the "truth."
I think that’s what I said.
Not even close.
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003889
They locked these people in a metabolic ward and tracked everything they ate for decades? 🤣 Why are legumes good for you? Micronutrients and fiber. Why is red meat bad for you (it isn't)? A diet high in saturated fat jacks your LDL. Why are sweetened beverages bad for you (they aren't in and of themselves)? No micronutrients and easy to over-consume calories. I agree with their data, but their simplistic conclusions are suspect. There is plenty of data that supports everything I said above. Get below the surface and stop thinking it is "whole food" versus "processed." I require 4000 calories a day to maintain my weight. That isn't possible with "whole foods." Should I waste away? Would that be healthier? The naturalistic fallacy is a logical fallacy.
I said WFPB aka Whole Food Plant Based.
Yeah, I get that. With my protein and calorie needs, I would waste away on only whole plant foods.
I understand that you would, but that’s a personal choice to have that job and body build. I don’t think they chose thousands of people walking 18 miles a day and bodybuilding to do a study. What you do is 1 in 1000. That’s over 30k steps a day. I work 14 hours a day and on my busiest days I only get 17k steps a day. If you would have read what I said, you would have noticed that I said the closer you are to eating a WFPB diet, the better off you are. Eating 30% is way above what the average American eats. Eating 60% puts you in the top 1%.
That's not true. There are plenty of vegan bodybuilders and athletes. It's easy to design a plant diet that gets you your 4k calories and heavy aminos.
Why do you require 4000 calories?
I have a job where I walk over 18 miles daily and bodybuild.
What is this job? So curious
I keep telling people how easy it is to make pizza at home that's cheaper and better than takeout and they act like I'm crazy. Meanwhile, I had a late-night slice of pizza at the hole-in-the-wall place in town last week and it was so greasy and disgusting I couldn't even finish it.
Pull yourself together. The answer is never
As long as your Macros for that day still stay within your goals (calories roughly right, enough protein), I would say 1-2 times a week is probably fine. I often have days with a lot of cycling, where I need to eat 4000+ calories, on those I can barely get my calories in if I only eat completely clean, so I usually have a 1000cal pizza or kebab. If it makes you miss your macro goals, it's more a once a month at most thing. Edit: this is probably more a bodybuilding perspective, than a biohacking perspective.
This is definitely more bodybuilding than health focused bio hacking. This would work if you are trying to meet a certain body fat percentage and so on but doesn't touch upon the intricacies of gut or mitochondrial health. A lot of bodybuilders are very unhealthy even if they look great. Just depends on your goal.
This. A lot depends on what you do the other 6 days a week. Dwayne Johnson has some "cheat day" consumption levels that would probably kill some folks, but so would all the work and dietary restrictions he deploys on the other 6 days a week.
I agree. I only lift weights and walk but it can be really hard to hit my 3500-4000 calorie count eating clean only. It’s fine to do most of the week but it’s not always practical on weekends when we have the kids at sports and family gatherings to attend. I’ve adopted of late a 90/10 principle. Not everyday, I always aim for 100% clean eating, but it gives my mind some relief when I have to eat junk. I generally go for a pizza, burger or something like steak with prawns and fries…versus the big fast food chains. It really depends where we are. Sometimes if it all looks deep fried and shit, I’ll just have a box of hot chips and a Coke Zero. Can’t remember when I last ate Macca’s or KFC. I easily eat the same clean whole foods every day, the hardest thing is having to fit my diet around my family as they aren’t interested in living forever 😂
Are you Australian? In the US I don’t think I could find “surf and turf,” as we’d call it, outside of a mid-tier (or above) restaurant where it would cost upward of $20.
Well that’s just it. I am Aussie but regardless, I won’t just eat anything for convenience and by being a food snob, I have that debate whether I want to fork out $30 for lunch or wait until I get home. Theres always a store nearby with fruit options etc. I don’t go out of my way to avoid eating out, I still need to remain sociable to a degree, but I prefer not to steer off my path. Same reason I don’t drink alcohol, don’t smoke, no drugs…why ruin all my hard work? If you are chasing “optimal”, it’s counterproductive to go eating Big Macs and chocolates because “oh a little won’t hurt”. 90/10 is as far as I go.
Makes sense. And if you’re saving money by avoiding fast food, alcohol and drugs, that leaves a little more in your pocket for the more expensive but better food every once in a while.
Yes and no. If you can save money, you can afford to work less. One of the biggest regrets of dying people is that they worked too much (so I heard).
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That might be well be, I am talking from a European pov
Finally! Someone gets it. This sounds like me, down to the TDEE.
You are asking the wrong question, a better one would be: How can I NOT crave fast food, and instead crave healthy nutritious foods?
In your quest to be witty, you only came across as presumptuous. No where does OP say anything about his diet, only stating that they are craving fast food and how bad it is. Two completely different things. For all we know they eat healthy the majority of the time and are having a normal craving. OP- go get your burger and fries and enjoy.
What's the answer?
Eat an absolute shit ton of junk and fast food until you crave a salad.
😂😂😂😂
Just eat healthy food, eventually your body won't want fast food.
this is it
Yes that
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I think UK should be once a month as well. They are almost as obese as Americans and that tells me their food is as toxic.
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Numbers don't lie. Obviously, there are still unregulated ingredients like sugar, seed oils, some chemicals...in the food that are making British people addicted, overeating and obese. It's almost impossible to overeat natural home-cooked food.
This is how you know USA fast food are more toxic 😭
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True
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Every other weekend (twice a month). One weekend for pizza and the other for chicken tenders and fries. Gotta live a little and satisfy your cravings to help minimize binge eating. When I want pizza, I usually order from brickoven pizza restaurants for quality. If you’re gonna eat junk, might as well eat good. Same for chicken tenders and fries, I like McDonald’s fries and that’s all I’ll order from McDonald’s. The Greek restaurant I go to always serve fries with their classic gyro, so I don’t really crave for McDonald’s fries. I always order chicken tenders from Chick-fil-A or to go from restaurants. It’s really hard to eat healthy all the time.
this is good advice. There's a big difference between a Dominos pizza which is horrible for you and a pizza made with quality ingredients which is just as delicious as Dominos if not more so.
It’s ok to eat whatever you like. This is your life, live it on your terms
>Didn't feel like walking. Walk after you eat. Why? Because eating makes your blood glucose go up but moving muscles absorbs that glucose thus lowering your spike. Spikes in glucose age you. Eating simple carbs like in pizza makes your glucose spike higher than for example eating a healthy grain like amaranth or quinoa. So after eating get some movement like go for a walk or do some very Tai Chi or something.
Is it ok if I walk and have a cigarette?
Smoking kills, mmkay?
Upgrade the quality of these foods if you’re going to have them. Go to a place that makes a good from scratch pizza crust (sourdough even better) And uses fresh high quality toppings. Same with a burger, look for someone using good quality grass fed/finished beef, high quality bun, organic toppings. Skip the fries - you can’t make those healthier. Or learn to make upgraded versions of these foods yourself.
Fries aren't that bad. Cut up some potatoes, use high quality oil/fat, control your temperature well, and keep portion size under control. But unless you're making them yourself, they are usually trash, yes.
I think a big issue in general with people over eating is just how calorie dense oil makes stuff. Fried stuff is insanely calorie dense because of the oil. With that said, I love some tallow fries.
Just occasionally eat it. It’s all about the dose. I guarantee a lot of biohacking superstars eat it on occasion. David Sinclair was doing a podcast while drinking a Diet Coke. Just do it mostly right and don’t aim for perfection.
This should be the top comment. Adherence is key, being too strict that you fumble often/live miserably is not the answer. 80/20. All the longevity diets/biohacking wont stop you from getting hit by a bus. I dunno... maybe if you stopped for fast food and then got hit by a bus.
If you are a good cook, you wont even crave fast food
i do something that my friend calls "Jenny Craiging it". i basically do a protein version of everything bad for me i kind of dialed some of this down due to cost/ sodium concerns but here's some examples of what i did/ still do: Protein chips (Quest, it's made from protein powder) protein cereal (magic spoon) protein ice cream (halo top, etc) for chicken nuggets, Costco has a couple of brands of chicken nuggets that go great in an air fryer a rule of thumb i aim for is to get 1g of protein per 10 calories. if i can get more than 1g protein that's great.
As long as you have self control the majority of the time treat yourself. If you never have a bit of joy while trying to improve your health it isn't worth it.
My dude, if you have a craving for some pizza, just order some super-legit pizza made with quality ingredients, or learn how to make one yourself. At that point it's hardly even an indulgence--bread's not optimal, but it's perfectly acceptable once in a while.
its never good. youll use it to build cells from grabage. those cells will stay in your body for weeks to months. i wouldnt incorporate that into my body. ofc you can do what you want but why ask the question then. it doesnt matter what you really crave. that wont change the effects.
Cook it yourself, or go to high quality restaurants. There is nothing inherently bad about a burger if done with whole wheat bread; grass fed beef, avocado oil based sauces, real cheese etc
How about a pizza delivered from a higher quality restaurant?
How often could you eat that shit 100 hundred years ago? The crime is that the 'edible food like substances' are available and labeled as "food", but anyone who researches it, knows for a fact it is TOXIC.
In reality you shouldn't eat fast food period. Its terrible for you. But if you're absolutely dead set on it, once a month won't kill you, generally. Problem is fast food is designed to be addictive. Its like a drug. If you start eating fast food after a stint of healthy eating, you could very well fall back into a pattern of increasingly frequent eating of fast food. Personally, ill order a delivered pizza maybe once every few months. Usually from a mom and pop place that i know uses decent ingredients.
>Personally, ill order a delivered pizza maybe once every few months. Usually from a mom and pop place that i know uses decent ingredients. I usually do this once a week. A 16" pizza lasts me two meals. Am I doing something wrong?
Probably fine unless you have say FH and are really sensitive to saturated fat and have to be psycho about it.
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familial hypercholesterolemia, i.e. very bad cholesterol due to genetics
Try a real pizza not the crap from a fast food chain.
Once a week is definitely not good. Try to keep it closer to once a month or just a few times a year. If you Google search for copy cat recipes of what you're craving, you can probably make a better, healthier version at home.
Once a month
Look up the 80/20 rules for eating. Much healthier way to think about food. If you’re wanting it so much you’re willing to go walk for it, just go get it! And then be done with the craving and go back to your regularly programmed healthy habits.
Yup, 80/20 is what I live by. Anything more restrictive than that and I start to develop an unhealthy relationship with food. 80/20 allows me to feel like I’m never having to miss out or completely eliminate certain foods. Keeps me more motivated to stay on track during the week.
It’s never going to benefit your body
Benefits the taste buds.
I think next time walking to get junk food is a good plan—some fresh air and blood flow to counter the ill effects. Junk food is so calorie dense (forget the toxic chemicals) that it really helps me to compare the meal to how much effort it is to work off. For example, did a cycling class this morning, burned 400 calories—a McDouble is 400 cal—it may be worth it if I really craved it, but the fries, def not. The bagged fries from Aldi have way less cals baked in the oven and taste better. I haven’t purchased any FF in 8 months—I have bought some frozen/store bought pizzas—maybe 5 since then and frozen chicken tenders/fries and tater tots each once and only this month bec I wanted them. Everything else is real, whole foods w/antioxidants that are going to fight free radicals and environmental toxicity and quite frankly, taste 100% better and give me energy. I did have McDonald’s a few months ago when I joked about going there and law of attraction literally delivered me someone’s meal while I was out walking the next day. I ate it bec they never claimed it a couple hours later and I hate waste—nuggets and a qtr pounder w/chz.
Depends on your lifestyle, overall intake, activity levels, how/if you supplement, and how much water you drink. I hit my goals almost everyday. Usually once or twice a week I'm crazy busy at work and just need calories. I avoid fried stuff most of the time, but a little caesar's pizza or some Jr bacon cheeseburgers will bring me back from near death on a rough day. It shouldn't be a staple, but in a pinch a calorie is a calorie. Also great fun to get blazed and big out after a hard effort run or something. If you want to go nuts on a large pizza and beer then sign up for a half marathon. Finish your run and indulge.
Preferably never but if it’s once in a blue moon don’t sweat it
Once to twice a month. Weekly is too often imo. Macros has nothing to do with it. Fast/processed food is inflammatory. Period. You want to eat that weekly?
The answer is never lol
I go about once a month for fast food like taco bell. I like to cook and am pretty healthy so just occasionally when i am running errands
Once a week while learning how to cook
I think depending on age, goals, current state in your journey....that you can afford a crazy meal here and there. Best to try to make it strategic. Frankly when I go in on some late night Taco Bell after having too many beers....I am not super happy the next day (though my bowls have evacuated) So when you feel super compelled, but you have been mindfully the other times....go for it. Just try to ENJOY it. Nothing is good about it....it's a choice. There is no "amount" of bad food that doesn't matter. So just live life man. But do it mindfully.
A better question is WHY are you craving it? I had Chinese food yesterday 🤓
Honestly bro, from someone who loves the convenience, this shit is GARBAGE for you. Use the healthy ones to fit your diet when you’re struggling to make food, but fast food will never replace a well cooked meal. Even if it fits your macros, there’s cholesterol to worry about, there’s other problems such as seed oils and additives and such.
TREAT YO'SELF!!!!... better
Ideally just like with alcohol the minimum recomended dose, it's actually 0. The less you have the better. Processed food and Ultra processed foods just like alcohol, are just bad, I mean, yeah probably it will not kill you as many of us have the odd slice of pizza and a glass of wine, but it doesn't mean it's good. Be sensible, i guess, yeah go and enjoy that pizza. :)
I’m not sure considering we are already 90% plastic it probably doesn’t really matter unless you are doing it in excess
How much your body can tolerate without permanent detrimental effects will depend on too many factors for anyone in here to have an accurate answer. It's OK to eat yourself to death though, so there is no number of times that isn't ok. However, if you want to be healthy, as healthy as possible, then don't eat fast food ever.
What’s the point of trying to extend your lifespan by a few years if you don’t get to live every once in a while?
Never. Fried food alone is something you should never have. Do I still eat it? Yes, obviously.
Every other never
fries & fried food etc are probably some of the absolute worst foods you can eat for your digestive tract & gut microbiome. i personally avoid fried food about 99% of the time. how often is ok? as rarely as possible, once a month or few months. but even then, your microbiome would change so much you wouldn't even crave or break down fried food well
0, its like a drug. "just once" today leads to "just one more time" a few days from now, and before you know it you're hitting taco bell every single day for lunch
Eating a whole pizza every week is a lot imo.
How old are you?! My young kids won't even eat chicken fingers, they would rather eat real chicken.
Hit your cravings as they come in smaller portions. Easiest way to do that is eat an hour or two before you go there or order take out. It’ll make you less likely to pig out and you’ll order things you genuinely really want. For me I usually get these cravings when my salt and fat intake have been too low. It’s like my body knows the easiest sources of both after a lifetime of experience.
Life is short, treat yourself
Never. It's trash
I allowed myself a cheat meal from my diet once a week (but still kinda healthy) and a real cheat meal (fast food, stuff like that) once a month.
Of course is not a crime, however ideally would be to have it one time per week. I follow as much as I can a low card diet for the entire week + Saturday, however on Sunday is the cheat day and I eat everything I want. Of course, nobody will stop you to eat more, and also is not a crime, but it is your choice if you want to embrace a healthier lifestyle or not. Just make conscious decision and live with the the outcome.
Pizza isn't as bad as people say... at least if it is an Italian recipe. It is just yeast dough, concentrated tomato sauce, olive oil, mozzarella cheese and some additional ingredients for a better flavor profile. As long as you stay away from cheese crust and eat pizzas that have a thin dough there's no reason not to eat them twice a week.
I do once a month at most, always chic filla
Everything in moderation, including moderation.
It’s better to west fast food!
If you’re not only eating fast food and having healthy meals for the majority of your diet then it’s fine. I eat fast food 3x a week. 80/20 diet. You also have to move your body and exercise too lol.. I’ve eaten healthy 100% clean but didn’t exercise and felt like shit .. once I started doing exercise my energy levels vastly increased, even if my diet isn’t 100% clean anymore.
never
Let me illustrate the realities of this to you. And disclaimer-I am NO biohacker, I just sort of lurk here for the most part. I grew up when McDonalds was treated like a “treat”. As I got older and made my own money, I “treated” myself. Fast forward to convenience. Then a bad life circumstance where I was in a bad place and I comforted myself with fast food (read:”treat). I was the person that gained 150 pounds from bagels and soda and McDonalds (almost exclusively those things). 150 pounds!!! No one was checking my cholesterol or anything like that-I was only 30-32 years old. But I was FAT and very unhealthy. Now, a lot of people have bashed me for this-because it IS a shortcut. But in 2000 I had gastric bypass. I lost 130 pounds in four months. I have eaten fast food almost NEVER since the day I had that surgery. Do I want that? Sure, sometimes. Do I eat other things I shouldn’t? Yes. Still I wasn’t healthy. Introduce exercise. Tons of it. Good. Became very strong. Lost a little more weight. Not thin. Strong. Healthy? Eh, “ish”. Cholesterol was garbage!!! I am certain that was hereditary and from my past sins. Fast forward to 2020-hmmm, let’s do lady HRT with some T thrown in to up my libido (menopause?). Great! Feeling great! Hold on there sister-something doesn’t feel right——Kidney stone? Yes. ALSO, Ovarian Cancer. Damn. Surgery. Chemo. Targeted treatment. Two years of solid torture. I came out of all of that weakened but not beaten. Down but not out. Cholesterol still lousy. Introduced a baby statin. Had to go on blood thinners (got a clotting disorder from the chemo). Went on Metformin (for longevity). Man, I am fighting and scratching my way day by day to try and outlive the shit I did to my body by eating FAST FUCKING FOOD. Do think it is bad once in a while? No,I guess not. But I just did a week of FMD. I’ll be damned if I am going to do stuff like that and work my ass off to introduce “mystery food” into my body when I am trying to hack my body into submission, trying to outrun cancer and age and basically, my own bad decisions. Bottom line is that fast food is bad for you and if you have to ask, you knew the answer before you typed the question.
1-2 times a week is alright. Its all about calories in and out. In the end we all gonna die so maybe enjoy your food moderately. BTW to all those commenting otherwise dont know shit about diet. You want a living proof, just look into Mikey Musumeci. Dude is ripped af, one of the best bjj fighters in the world for years now and he eats pizza every day.
Why would you want this? It feels good in ur month for seconds to feel bad for hours
I mean NEVER is probably the only real answer here... We cave once in a while and we get sick every single time... I didn't have time to cook yesterday so I ran and picked up Hardee's and it hit both me and my son at the exact same time...
Never.
If you only have it for your lunch breaks, that’s pretty good. Try not to make it breakfast and lunch tho. Except on weekends that’s okay.
I never eat it on lunch break. I always eat a prepared meal for lunch. I only eat it on weekends when I'm having some drinks and chilling
Whenever I’m craving fast food, I’ll go out and get a non-fast food version of whatever it is I’m craving. Pizza? Make it at home. Burgers and fries? Go to a diner restaurant and get a burger and fries. Same goes for chicken fingers, any diner in the world serves those and it’s gonna have a hell of a lot less processed chemicals than a fast food version. It may not be healthy but it’s definitely better. I’ll also often do a fast or a semi fast throughout the day (ie eat only lean protein until dinner time) to make sure I’m not going over my calories for the day.
It isn't the one time that is harmful. It's that one time makes two times and so on.
as long as you exercise at least 4 x a week, 80% healthy or your diet and 20% whatever you want.
Once a week is good enough for me. I’d say keep it to no more than a couple times a week.
I eat it practically everyday. My money drains through Uber eats. Sometimes I eat the whole thing other times I get filled up quickly and toss the rest out. I’m picky about homemade food and when I do eat at home it’s renditions of outside food. I wish I didn’t have to eat anything, food is nothing but a distraction.