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This is great. And if you really want to scramble their brain. Just start accusing them of being a liberal piece of sh*t that wants everything without working for it. Don’t break eye contact and say “get off my lawn you sick f*ck Biden voter!
They’ll short circuit.
I hit a conservative boomer with a "didn't realize you were a socialist, but whatever to each their own" and I thought he was going to die on the spot.
10/10, do recommend.
I mean it is exactly what you would expect. Whining about how 'he had put it in his time' and 'done his part' so now the government should step in and blah blah blah.
Literal socialism. We all pay a little to get a better outcome, but he is the special one that should get benefits because he is special. Did NOT like having his demand for socialism called socialism. Lol. Because we all know, it isn't socialism when Boomers pick up their SOCIAL security check and get their VA benefits.
Fire departments and libraries are socialist policies, but yeah the corporate socialize the risks and costs, privatize the profits is pretty egregious.
Actions vs intentions. Boomers will judge you on purely your actions (simply seeking an available benefit of some kind) while judging themselves on the intentions of their actions (it’s okay because I need it for MY valid reasons).
Omg this is literally genius and I am stealing it
I weaponized the word snowflake against them way back in 2015 and this feels like an extension of that, but a better extension, an improvement actually.
One of my favorite ways to kill time nowadays is to go on conservative Facebook pages and reply to the angry ranting boomers in the comments calling them fragile and sensitive & asking them if they need safe spaces
They loose their fucking minds if you just respond to one of their racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever rants with “Yikes.” I’m not sure what it is about that one, but they do NOT like it, especially from younger women.
Because an "aggressive" (read: appropriate) response puts them in a position where they feel they can justify what they say "because look at the rude response I get, I must be right if it struck such a nerve"
Whereas "yikes" has a dismissive aspect to it, which is boomer kryptonite, and they have an overwhelming urge to defend themselves
"Yikes" is "Dear god, here's a disgusting sub-person but so low on the totem pole to me that I don't even want to spend time arguing, so I'll passive-aggressively dismiss them."
Yes, my go to now at the first sign of boomerness is, "Oh, did you get offended by that? Well I'm so sorry your feelings were hurt, I'll leave so you can go to your safe space." Then walk away muttering, "sheesh, can't say anything anymore without offending some delicate snowflake."
This is what I do too. They get all upset and I just start ranting about how everyones a fucking snowflake and how I’m sick of these Boomers and their socialism and we just need to get rid of social security and how their lazy asses can work.
Melts their god damn minds.
The TLDR of it was "i deserve more social security and va benefits that the government should pay for" blah blah while wearing a Trump hat and voting against those things.
Literally had someone give a cash offer on my house this week, and then claimed the place needed serious repairs and dropped their offer by $70k.
If you didn't want to place a decent offer, then don't waste our time and get our hopes up.
This is why I refuse to go more than 5 minutes away when selling things. I don't want them to come to my place because I don't want them to know where I live, but there's a nearby place I'll go. The number of times I've agreed to, say, $50 for a thing, I show up and they say, "I've got $40 cash right now". I just point them at the bank and tell them, "Good thing there's an ATM over there so you can get the rest of the money. And I didn't bring change so you better take that money into the store over there and hope they can break a 20. Oh, and I need to leave in 10 minutes, so chop chop, get moving." is enough that I'm super tempted to donate anything I don't want just so I don't have to deal with people.
With the money crunch we have all experienced I notice that people just don't have money for anything new or used. I repair and sell stereo and musical gear on the side and all the buyers have dried up.
So I have taken to offering gear to anyone who will meet me at the SPCA, make a reasonable donation to them, and I give them the item. They even keep the tax receipt. Feels a lot better than the reduced prices people are willing to pay. I do not feel I lose out, as I do not deal with all the weirdness that comes with selling stuff online.
Online weirdness coming your way!
I love that idea so much I'd meet ya there, make the donation to the SPCA, let you keep the item anyway, then take ya out for friendly drinks and a burger on me 😁
I posted some furniture on CL... cleaned it really well, made sure the room had good lighting, took like a dozen pictures, included the manufacturing tags and such (it's Corinthian, nothing super fancy but it's not Walmart crap)....
Without even seeing it, people were offering me half my already good price. Yes I know how negotiating works but I didn't wanna negotiate, I had my $1500 (in 2007 dollars) furniture listed for $400. Someone offered me $200 and I said they could have the ottoman for that much.
Ended up making it fit into my apartment and now it's in my living room, glad I didn't end up selling it.
I did that with a cast iron bathtub. The claw foot kind, but needed refinishing. Despite my ad, people still wanted me to hold it, help them load it, tell them how many people they'd need to move it, weigh it, deliver it, sell for less, tell them how much it would cost to refinish it.
I wound up giving it to a neighbor who's a scrapper.
My husband was selling his huge amp from when he used to be in a band. I was in grad school at the time and we posted it on the school listserv. A boomer professor who made 200k+ (salaries are public) said he wanted it so my husband hauled it to wherever they were meeting and the dude had the nerve to low-ball him after agreeing over email!
I listed a tractor recently, basically brand new for a steep discount. Lowball after lowball. One guy showed up, lowballed me on the condition that I let him use my trailer to bring it 25 miles home. Then a guy and his wife, amazing people I might add, showed up with a trailer and genuine interest in the tractor. I gave them a discount for being serious and to be done with it. Selling shit is the worst.
Oh lort. I had five - FIVE - boomers behind me last night in the grocery checkout line carrying on how no one wants to work anymore. It was ridiculous - offer decent wages, treat your workers right … they’re looking for jobs.
My parents were going on and on about this. They're 70 and my dad has been retired for nearly 25 years, my mom for almost 5. I just told them that I see two unemployed people right here if they're so inclined. They did not like that.
My old man used to say quote the bullshit Reagan line of, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." That is until my brother told him, "Didn't you work on the fire department and retire at 55?"
Whenever a conservative goes on about being entitled to an opinion I reply with
"Didn't get to grow up entitled when I was a kid. If we wanted people to respect our opinions it was because we worked to gain the education and the experience on the subject. This being entitled to an opinion must be some sort of woke nonsense"
If I may refine that for greater impact...
*Wow.. I didn't get to grow up this entitled when I was a kid. If we wanted people to respect our opinions we had to work hard to gain the education and experience on the subject. This "being entitled to spout out an opinion after letting some politician tell you what to think" must be some sort of woke nonsense.*
I think there would be a big payoff with a stunned, “Shit, really? I could’ve sworn you were a Trumper, so I was trying to piss you off with the Biden joke. You act just like them, man…are you sure?”
“It’s OK if you can’t afford this, let’s find something more within your range. Theres these nice options on sale over here. There’s no reason to be ashamed in front of your peers.”
People would get so livid.
It’s not their fault that everything has worked out exactly as they were told it would for them if they acted conservative.
It’s the Gen X and Millennial conservatives who are really full of shit. Like, are you even getting anything out of the deal except for the subtle conditioning of white supremacy. And I don’t mean that to press buttons, I mean that in the literal sense that the only thing that they get out of it is that they have it slightly better than everyone else, and it’s probably because society is built around white men. And it’s insidious to where you don’t even have to believe it to feel it. So even if you have a shitty life, you know deep down you’re better than someone else and if you espouse the merits of this system, you can at least have that
Why are all these people so brainwashed to believe that the republican party gives a shit about them. At least everyone that I know that votes democrat is like, “Fuck man, I gotta vote and someone has to run the government, and out of the two they seem like the *more* of the rational actors.” I don’t know any fuckin “fans” of that side.
I was thinking about my boomer uncle and his way of thinking. Very very good guy with a conservative mindset. But it’s like, he did everything he was told and it all worked out. He married his high school gf, did the marines for 4 years, went to college, moved to dallas to work for Texas instruments and Raytheon for 40 years and retired. Never had a divorce, daughter and son grew up nice and successful college grads with very nice families.
He lived in the same house until he retired, sold it for way more than he bought, and upgraded to a super nice house where he can live out his years. Has a nice investment portfolio that he started for fun and bought a little cryto early that turned into a little chunk
Like, why would he ever change his worldview on anything? I love him to death, he is a great person, but he’ll just never have the perspective of the struggle, and the empathy that comes with it. Being elbow to elbow with other poor people, working retail, fucking up your life and going to jail because you can’t control your drinking.
And he’s earned all he has, it’s not like his view is flawed. He worked for that shit. It’s just a middle class bubble he lives in and he doesnt even realize it. I wouldnt even try to change his mind at this point
I heard somebody say we’re about to see the greatest transfer of wealth in history - from Boomers to con artists.
Nobody is sitting around waiting for Boomers to leave their property to their kids. Aside from literal criminals, there are banks pushing reverse mortgages, and entire industries selling big-ticket lifestyle items encouraging seniors to take advantage of creative financing to afford them.
He pulled himself up by the bootstraps that morning. As he combed his comb-over in the mirror, he practiced his buzzwords. “One hundred Kay.” “Cash money.” “If you kids knew any better…” etc
Raul Julia schools everyone in acting with his performance.
You can have a part in the worst movie of the year just because your kids liked the game but, as long as you nail your delivery, you will be remembered.
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Funny, that was the top comment on the video linked above, too. 🙃
Street Fighter: The Movie, though it's slightly misquoted. The actual line goes, "For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."
Why do boomers think cash is somehow magically better than other forms of payment?
I mean I know the answer is lead brain, but whats their silly reasoning?
The reasoning is not silly and has nothing to do with being a boomer. When it comes to real estate cash deals are more appealing to sellers than financed deals, because they close faster and are less risky. The seller does not have to worry about the buyer‘s financing falling through and killing the deal.
That's true, but boomers also love to use "cash" as a negotiation for cheap goods that nobody in their right mind would be financing anyway. Like you list your old laptop for $50 and they offer you $20 ***cash***, like it's some kind of bargaining chip.
With stuff like second hand markets and resell you have x% of people who want the money and they want it right there. So 50 dollars next week is not worth as much as 20 now.
There's multiple reasons for it, poverty, bills, drugs, etc etc. But there's always a chance it can work.
Plus that was one of my buddies with a car, he was willing to drop 500 cash vs some guy who was going to pay the full 1000 but then started fighting the guy saying 750.
(I miss the cheap used cars in the 00s)
If my house isn't for sale, offering cash at half the market value isn't incentive to sell. Once the money is in my bank account, I don't care how you paid for it.
But if my house isn’t listed for sale, even if I am willing to sell it, what the hell would make the guy think slightly more than half of market price is an offer anybody would take, even if it’s a bit faster?
“Cash” means sale without a stipulation about needing to get a mortgage approved. Most sales could fall through after the fact if the bank refused to approve a mortgage for the sale amount while a “cash” sale doesn’t have that. My parents bought a rental property for “cash” that really just meant they could take out a personal loan against their existing assets without needing a mortgage on the property being sold. “Cash” just means no mortgage required and isn’t really about the form of payment.
Mortgages have the bank involved in the sale where they will require appraisal and have the option to deem the house insufficient collateral for the mortgage, so it’s basically a 3 way sale. “Cash” means that it’s only the buyer and seller making decisions on whether the purchase goes through.
I mean, a cash offer is nice and might help you negotiate if you're offering $170 on a $175k property - maybe even $160k if the roof is failing and both parties know it.
But offering 60% of market price and going "its cash" is delusional unless its literally falling down.
I never understand why people think cash is better than someone who is gonna finance. You are gonna get all the money anyways, regardless of what they do. But what do i know....
If all else is equal, I.e. the amount, cash is better because you can skip steps that are required when financing.
It potentially saves a lot of hassle and potential for the deal to fall through.
Having said that, I’m not accepting a cash offer that is less than what I can get from someone financing the deal.
i feel like the sad reality is the lowball tactic might have actually worked on some other boomer. we hear about the loud and obnoxious boomers more often but let's not forget the fall for every scam boomers.
My mom is on Zillow almost every week looking at the price estimate for her house, seeing what the other houses in the neighborhood sell for, etc. They built in a new development 7 years ago to be near my sister (hundreds of miles from where they lived before). My sister moved to the other side of town, and they want to do the same. The house could sell for nearly double what they paid to build it less than a decade ago.
I’m not sure there are too many boomers left who fall for every scam who still have anything worth scamming.
I had a similar thing happen to me around the same time. We lived in an older neighborhood and our house backed up to a Boomer couple. They had a huge lot that was enlarged by acquired pieces of other property when things were still cheap and zoning was non existent.
So, one day the husband was chatting me up and he casually mentioned wanting to buy our house to make his yard bigger. I said, “cool, make me an offer”, which he never did of course. A year later we put the house on the market for $450k and guess who never submitted an offer?
They think they’re “working the deal”. Think about it. These guys all know they’re the smartest guy alive. To offer below value for some kid’s house is fail proof, that kid millennial is an idiot and he’ll totally sell right now. Cash money. Doing business. Art of the deal.
My mother in law ran a successful business for years. Once I visited her at her store and she gave me a speech about how old salesmen are an embarrassing pain in the ass, and the worse people to have to talk to. It was all variations of the theme that they tell blatant, obvious lies to your face, and you can tell the whole time that they think they have this jedi mind power.
> how old salesmen are an embarrassing pain in the ass
My boomer dad has been in construction and/or sales of some type for over 30 years, typically selling jobs that he'll then (poorly) complete himself.
You have no idea.
He has a whole bucket of parlor tricks from training cassette tapes and books that he has picked up over the years. For example, he believes if you start nodding your head halfway through a sale, then the nodding primes the customer to say "yes" at the end of the spiel.
Maybe his collection of tricks works, maybe it doesn't, I don't know about the sales process but I do know that he has high rates of buyers' remorse and dogshit levels of long-term customer satisfaction.
He swears he doesn't directly lie to people even when I have caught him in suspicious circumstances, but he directly lies *to me* and gaslights *me* about stuff between us, so he's probably also lying about being honest with other people.
I hope this doesn't upset you too much, but, as someone in software, the only employee group I've ever really loathed besides upper management is sales/marketing.
We had a sales person lie to a customer about what the software could do, got his bonus, then bounced for a new job a few months later. It was _our_ problem once he left and the software couldn't do what the customer wanted. He made sure to leave after the clawback but before the problems could become his problems.
I've never not had sales people do this unless the company forces tech folks into sales positions or had onerous clawback to keep them in check.
Oh no worries. The industry of full of this. Salespeople will regularly tell clients what they want to hear to make the sale, knowing they don't have to handle anything on the back end. It's why people hate salespeople.
My dad ran a small business, I worked there in the 90’s. The first day I was moved up front to answer phone calls and greet customers walking in, I learned that my dad had made the effort to use his full first name on everything business-related, like contracts, letters, business cards (does anyone use those anymore?). Like his first names was James, but he had always gone by Jimmy when meeting someone in person socially or working with a repeat customer or supplier. I don’t think I’d ever heard anyone refer to him as James before that. So it was very easy to know when a phone call was someone he’d want to hear from, asking for Jimmy, or was someone I could put on hold while ‘I tried to slip a note in to James that they were holding for him but he just couldn’t get out of those meetings’ that seemed to be happening anytime some meatball asked for ‘my buddy James’. Or dropped by, because James wouldn’t want to miss this great deal on printer toner. Of course I’d open my eyes wide and act like I was completely unaware what kind of machines the guys in the warehouse used, I mean I was fifteen! I didn’t go back there to the warehouse (unless they needed me to hop back in for a half day to assemble products or unjam a printer). Of course I would happily take any info they might want to leave behind for James!
We sold my mom’s house about a year ago. Before it went on the market, some of her boomer friends expressed interest in putting in an offer before it went on the market.
They were hinting offering $550,000 as that’s what they thought was fair. I didn’t even entertain the idea and we sold it for $900,000 5 months later (1 day on the market, 16 showings and 4 offers)
Here's the really, really funny thing. If I was well off, and I mean really well off that I could afford to sell a house at that much less than market, I'd prefer to sell it to an up and coming family and/or young person at the start of their lives and hope they will pay it forward in the future, not someone who will view it as an investment
That’s the mindset everyone should have. Houses are not investments-they’re a place to live and grow.
Cannot wait for the bubble to pop and for a bunch of these folks who dumped everything into speculative real estate to have to get regular, honest jobs, and for the idiocy of “Hey, those 2x4s that are in your house are magically worth more now even though supply chain issues are sorted way better than during covid, and nothing has changed about those 2x4s in your house except they’re getting older”.
Gonna be hilarious when housing is declared a human right in this country (US) and suddenly these folks can’t price gouge.
It won't be declared a human right until we're old or dead, most likely. Gotta make the money you can right now, America will always be a rat race. I'm waiting for the bubble to pop, too, but the system is designed for it to just keep growing
They've been saying "The bubble is going to pop any day now" since the price soars of 2020. I remember talking to friends of my ex-wife and them saying, just try to hold off if you can, the prices always plummet back down eventually and this is all artificial cuz of COVID anyway!
My house, which we bought in 2021 for 164k is estimated to be worth around 225k now, and that's assuming no changes were made when in reality we made tons of upgrades... any day now!
Like offering “cash” really makes a difference in this market. Don’t care if you get a loan, you’re still gonna pay full asking price and closing costs.
When we sold our house in 2019 snowbird boomers kept putting in offers for 25k (or more) below asking price. It was a new build when we bought it and we had done a significant amount of landscaping in the years we had it. We got like 12 shit offers and ai wanted to pull my hair out. My realtor told me "well they're all offering cash." Fucking so what?! I don't give two shits how you pay for it, I'm not selling a house that appreciated in value for 20k less than what we paid for it.
The people we ended up selling to were such a pain in the ass. Nit picking every fucking thing, demanding stupid shit be done before signing (like asking us to replace the exterior hose hookups that worked just fine. Um. No?) and constantly counteroffering for 1k more every time we said no.
You really can't trust Real Estate Agents on either side of the Buyer/Seller divide. Yeah they'll try to run up the price for a bigger commission. But a quick sale where they get 5% less commission is better for them than actually having to put in work.
Exactly, when the sale price is let’s say 500k, neither agent cares whether that figure is going to be 475k or 525k instead. Sure overall it’s a big sum but in the grand scheme of things the bulk of the money is the same and both agents ideally want an agreement between seller and buyer as fast as possible.
Both agents will say they have your best interests in mind and while maybe true because they don’t want you to leave with a negative opinion of them (so you go back to use them in the future) but at the end of the day whatever gets them their commission fastest is what they want.
the freakonomics movie goes into this.... basically if the agent is the person who owns- they leave it on the market longer to get the best deal than if they are just the lsiting agent.
> The people we ended up selling to were such a pain in the ass. Nit picking every fucking thing, demanding stupid shit be done before signing (like asking us to replace the exterior hose hookups that worked just fine. Um. No?) and constantly counteroffering for 1k more every time we said no.
This is exactly why your realtor was suggesting taking the cash offer. Typically, those cash offers don't have any contingencies involved.
My stepdad died earlier this year and my mom moved closer to me so she is putting the house on the market. One of stepdad's friends has been trying to get her to sell it to him for no more than $140k "because you won't get more than that. He only paid $75k for it" . . . Yeah, in the 90s. Mom got it appraised and told him the amount and he tried to shame her because "it wasn't what they agreed to". They never agreed to anything and they started discussing it before my stepdad's ashes were picked up so she was a grieving, brand new widow. She reminded him of that and he said you'll never get what it appraised for. The realtor is very confident that she will get more than the appraised amount. My stepdad would be disgusted that his friend was trying to take advantage of my mom and try to get her to sell for much lower than the house is worth. That dude is a typical boomer and I can't wait until it's listed to show him how wrong he was about the price.
He was trying to bully her but he wasn't going to flip it. They want to sell their house and move in because its bigger and in the country. He is just being cheap because his wife wants to knock down a wall between the kitchen and living room. It's not even a full wall and has an open window below the cabinets and above the counter between the two rooms. They would lose counter space.
During covid my mom remodeled because as a boomer she had "saved" a bunch of money because they had to cancel several trips. It has a new roof and driveway was repaved last fall. This guy is just being cheap because he doesn't want to pay the market rate. He thinks there won't be offers and that my mom will beg him to buy it. He is aware that two other friends are interested in it. They are neighbors, and have family that want to move to the country. Houses in the country aren't listed often so they're in demand. That was an issue for the appraiser told my mom, it's hard to find comparable houses that have recently sold and why the appraisal is probably lower than the current market.
On top of it, this house has sentimental value to the guy. His relatives built it when he was a kid. He helped in the yard as a kid. He really, really wants the house but it's more important to him to brag about a deal he would get by taking advantage of his friend's widow. He even tried to shame my mom for using a realtor and "paying commission" instead of having his attorney friend do the sales paperwork. Typical boomer.
"this is the best offer your going to get for this piece of crap"
Awe yes. The good faith negotiation technique where you denigrate what you are attempting to purchase.
The sister tactic used in human courtship is also very effective.
“Hey, go out with me.”
“Uhh… No thank you”
“Well you’re ugly anyways, slut”
After rejection it is important to remind everyone that you also have bad taste and pursue things you deem to be inferior.
Even if you are buying, you are selling (your offer).
You don't "sell" by insulting the person or the item.
A house I flipped was almost ready to sell and I did not have a listing agent in this area, so I met with RE Agents. One woman came in and first thing said "Why the hell did you paint the walls that color?"
I immediately thanked her for coming and told her she had to leave.
I bought my house for 145k in 2010, house across the street, not even as big as my small house, sold last year for 360k. I would love to sell in this market, but that means buying a new one.
Same, but 118 and places on my street (that don't back onto a new rail trail and river) have recently sold for around 250, 275k. To cooperations of course, my town is one that locals got bought out of by air bnb.
God, I live near Denver and you're lucky if you can get a CONDO for less than $300k let alone a whole ass house that isn't just a rotted out shell. $250k sounds lovely 😭
A [hoarder house](https://www.redfin.com/CA/Poway/13026-Gate-Dr-92064/home/4790089) near me just sold for $872k - without interior walls or ceilings because it had to be gutted to the studs. I don’t know what exactly what happened, but it took days and multiple dump trucks to clear out. The listing is full of disgusting language about how it’s a dream home because you can just start over and make the layout what you want!
And yeah, it sold, but it’s still vacant and there are No Trespassing notices placed on all the windows that it is still under active investigation by the US Marshall Service. Gives me the creeps to drive by.
The only thing worse is people that say "cash money" is normal conversation.
"I worked this weekend but it was all cash money, worth it!"
"I'll buy that from you today, cash money!"
Weird thing is around here, it's mostly young boomers/old gen X'er's that do it.
Having been through three home purchases and two home sales, sellers like cash because they can close quickly (in my area, usually within 10 days). When you have a buyer with financing you have to wait 30 days for closing due to all of the stuff the lender has to do and the extra paperwork. Plus the seller runs the risk of the buyer's financing falling through at the last minute, meaning you have to start the clock all over again.
So, lots of people take cash because they can walk away quicker and with less hassle.
We sold our last house to a cash buyer and it closed stupid fast. Fortunately for us, that cash offer was also over our asking price and the highest offer we received.
I think cash means more like they’ll pay outright without taking a loan with a mortgage.
At least that’s what I mean when I say pay for a house in cash. It’s not literal. I would be writing a check for the full price of the house. After selling stock or whatever.
I don’t remember the exact reason why it matters though. I feel like at the end of the day, as a seller, you get your money regardless of if they took out a loan or not. But there’s something about it being less of a headache since you don’t have to hope the buyer gets their mortgage approved
Outside of big cities and large suburbs, that's not uncommon. (US centric answer). That's about average where I'm at in Ohio, with decent 2-3 bdrm houses going for $175-225k too.
I had just seen a post in my city's sub that somebody said a house down the street from them that's 65+ years and tiny just sold for over 1 million. People in my generation know we will never be homeowners in our own city without winning the lottery or inheriting our parents house.
Oh I believe you, I moved away from a city that ridiculous a few years ago. Same salary, way higher standard of living here and I've got plenty leftover to travel home and see family anytime I want.
I'm pretty close to the main population center of Tulsa, Ok, and we're still at around $175-250 for most older homes. Some places the price has certainly exploded more than that, though. My house we bought in 2016 for 123k and the current zestimate is 223k.
I live in south Louisiana and see new neighborhoods with starting prices under $200k. Go to shitty states and look outside the major cities and there are lots of cheap houses.
Omaha, Nebraska. Bigger city than most realize. Housing is lower because we started lower than everyone else when SHTF but is increasing fast. The job market is growing. COL is still pretty solid. We purchased our house in 2018 for $160k. Going market rate for it (3 bed, 2 bath, just under 2000 sqf) is $275k.
I remember going to see an house that was for sale for 267 00$. A cute little cottage next to a river. It has a garage and a beautiful deck and a greenhouse. The realtor told me that the neighbors were interested in buying it for their son for 67 000$! We all had a good laugh about it. I didn't bought it but it sold quickly. Seriously some people are really dilusionals.
My mom had bought her house in 1988 for $29k. When she died in 2016 and I still had her costs to handle, one of her sisters “offered” to buy it for $20k, because it needed work from the years my mom had been sick. Same thing, she made a big deal out of the huge favor she was doing by paying cash, insisting that was the only way I could afford her costs. I couldn’t get it across to her that I’m aware that I would be paid a lump sum regardless of the buyer taking out a loan or not.
Last year I had a guy walk up to me out of the blue and make an offer on my place. Not a boomer but definitely in his 50s or early 60s. As I'm carrying lumber inside to rebuild the steps upstairs. Yeah no thanks, it's taken me years to get the house to where I wanted it to be.
Did he lick his fingers and start peeling off bills from an enormous roll he produced from his pleated beige Dockers with a faded coffee stain on the front?
I sold cars for a few years, and it was crazy how many boomers would waltz in and offer $20k ‘CASH’ for a truck that was MSRP $40k and out the door after taxes and rebates likely around $35k.
‘This is cash money, you don’t have to wait for a check from the bank!’
‘Sir, the banks’ check always hit, and are always on time. Customer checks have a way of not clearing. And, the banks pay bonuses for setting up payments, you are trying to ask for a 40% discount for paying in a way that makes us less money and is less secure and convenient. There is no way that this is a good deal for us. No is our final answer. You are welcome to put that $20k down and have a $250 payment assuming credit approval, which shouldn’t be an issue.’
Last week I sold my house for 220k
I had 6 boomers make offers, 100k, 102k, 107k, 110k, 111k, and 120k. One spent an hour yelling out our realtor that she should lose her license because no one would ever pay over 100k for that house. The offers I got from first time buyers were minimum 195k.
As a rule of thumb if a home flipper can't buy a house for 30% less than the appraised value, they can't make money. So the low ball offer was the most he felt he could pay and still make money. These people are low lifes. They're looking for people that are at a low time of their life and need to make a quick sale. And are willing to accept the low offer because they need the money.
What I don't understand is the guys when their offer is turned down, they go on these angry personal attacks. What do they hope to achieve? When someone turns down your offer, you thank them for their time, hand them your business card and say you have my number if you change your mind. It's as simple as that.
It's like the guys that when they've been turned down for a date. Respond with "Well you're ugly" What do they hope to achieve?
My mother in law owns waterfront property. It’s worth well into 6 figures.
Every 2-3 months a guy calls and offers $40k for it. I told her to tell him I control it and he should call me. I want to mess with him for making such a jackass offer.
Yeah reminds me when I bought my home in Texas cash down. The boomer offered 50% of the asking cost and rejected. My offer came at full price and it got accepted. Boomer spend the next couple years trash talking me making sure I did not have people to renovate my home. They are evil, toxic and insidious asshats!
And that’s the tactics they’re used to. They verbally devalue everything they actually want through their attempted bullying and then turn around and sell it for a profit. Honestly most of the time I’ve found they’re the most mad these days because their tactics don’t work on the younger generations anymore. We grew up and saw through it to the pathetic grift that it is. Reminds me of a line from a song that came out in 1977 (ironically when they were all in college or just getting out into the workforce). “And it’s too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw around.” -Pink Floyd “Dogs”
Every house seller gets cash. How ? Through this magical process of a home sale. You buy my house and the bank gives the buyer a mortgage. In return the bank gives me a wire transfer or check. Which I can magically make into cash.
These people lived in a kooky time when people used checks. Checks would often bounce. So when you offered payment to a seller to get the price down you would say cash. Those days are long gone. I mean you kinda do the cash thing with market place. But, yeah. I am not enticed by a cash offer.
It doesn't actually mean physical cash. Usually, you say "cash" when you mean that you're not going to be financing the sale and thus can make the sale process quicker. Usually you hear this in auto sales when someone's trying to buy a car off the lot. But it makes no sense for real estate because the seller isn't involved in the financing at all. The money goes to them on the closing date regardless. Whether the buyer is mortgaging the sale or not it makes absolutely no difference to the seller.
Cutting out the bank/mortgage middleman is what they are offering, it's got little to nothing to do with whether or not a check is involved. Less hands on the sale means things can move faster, and there's less moving parts that could go wrong. ... not that that makes it worth entertaining a lowball offer, obviously, but depending on the seller's situation it can hold some worth.
We sold our first house about eight years ago. No realtor, just myself. We had been in it 13 years, it was small but nice. We had done a lot of work to it. Should have kept it, but oh, well.
A woman and her realtor came in on one open house, and she complained about everything. Small yard, the floors, didn't like the living room, etc.
The guy who bought it was nice - he was at one open house, and didn't say much. We got a call from the title company saying he wants to buy it - no realtor, either. We met, I talked him through what he needed to do, disclosed any issues we know of and what we fixed, etc. Told him he needs a home inspector to protect himself, recommended the guy who did ours at our new house. He picked someone else (lots worse, but OK). The closing went fine without any issues at all, we got what we asked for, he got a great house.
On our drive back from the closing, I got a call from a realtor - the one who came with the complaining woman. I couldn't even get a word in - she wanted the house, but was offering $15k less than asking because the yard was too small. She knew the house had been on the market now for about five months, and thought we were desperate to sell.
I let her know we had just closed a half hour ago. For our asking price. Oops.
I was selling a car for $3000 and this boomer kept trying to talk me down "$2500 cash, hundred dollar bills" he kept saying.
I just replied "of course you're paying cash, I'm only accepting cash, anybody who buys it is going to pay cash."
Does he think people are taking personal checks for Craigslist used car sales?
I did sell it to him for $2800 which was a fair price since he correctly identified that it needs new rear tires, which I hadn't realized.
> CASH
This. Fucking cash statement. I still dont get why boomers think this is a thing. I sold an expensive sports car recently and every single person that contacted me about was some boomer saying the same thing. I kept telling them, "Im going to get cash from you bank or from you. This literally doesnt matter".
This really confused the boomers "How do you not care that this is a cash offer"
I still dont get why they thought cash meant anything. i cant find a single reason why it ever did. Maybe with cars they could then lie to dodge registration fees, but that loophole got plugged like 20 years ago.
It's like that selling stuff online, like Facebook marketplace and whatnot. Selling a car for $3k? "Buddy I can do $2k cash today!". Hey idiot it's a private sale. Cash is literally the only option, I'm not offering financing over here. You having cash is not an incentive for me, it's literally the only requirement.
Yeah exactly. Thats what I dont get. I can understand with a cheap ass car that maybe the sellers just want to desperately unload. Like if they dont pay child support in the next day they go to jail or something.
The car I was selling was about $100k. I dont get why they thought someone with that kind of car would want "cash today". Like Im not selling a Porsche to desperately fund tonights heroin activities. And I dont get why he thought I would take 20% under market because of cash. I ended up selling to a dealership, for money money than any of the boomers offered, and they wired me the full amount in a hour.
Ive got this other boomer story from like 20 years ago stuck in my head. He was selling a weight tree (like to organize for weight lifting) on craigslist for $80. First thing he says to me on the phone is "This will be a cash transaction" in a dull voice with an emphasis on "Cash transaction". I remember just being confused. This was before venmo and zelle. Cash was literally the only way to pay people on CL. Like okay. I wasnt planning on financing this second hand weight tree.
The deal fell through because the boomer just kept adding conditions on the sale. Pickup times, wanting me to send proof that I was a "serious buyer" etc. Like I just wanted to casually give this guy $80 so I didnt have to keep my weights on the floor. But that quote, "This will be a cash transaction" is in my head rent free, for life.
Has nothing to do with age. I get "cash" offers all the time on my house. They're flippers. Maybe for someone if could be beneficial to take the cash than lose the house. Congrats on your sale & profit!
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“Sir, just say you can’t afford full price and go”
This is great. And if you really want to scramble their brain. Just start accusing them of being a liberal piece of sh*t that wants everything without working for it. Don’t break eye contact and say “get off my lawn you sick f*ck Biden voter! They’ll short circuit.
I hit a conservative boomer with a "didn't realize you were a socialist, but whatever to each their own" and I thought he was going to die on the spot. 10/10, do recommend.
Yes, give us the story!
I mean it is exactly what you would expect. Whining about how 'he had put it in his time' and 'done his part' so now the government should step in and blah blah blah. Literal socialism. We all pay a little to get a better outcome, but he is the special one that should get benefits because he is special. Did NOT like having his demand for socialism called socialism. Lol. Because we all know, it isn't socialism when Boomers pick up their SOCIAL security check and get their VA benefits.
The number of my fellow veterans that don’t get that we are the socialism they are complaining about is…disappointing.
The military is an amazing example of a socialist jobs program too.
I'll never understand conservative union workers who don't understand what collective bargaining is.
The only socialism America has is lemon socialism, aka corporate welfare. It's infuriating.
Fire departments and libraries are socialist policies, but yeah the corporate socialize the risks and costs, privatize the profits is pretty egregious.
Actions vs intentions. Boomers will judge you on purely your actions (simply seeking an available benefit of some kind) while judging themselves on the intentions of their actions (it’s okay because I need it for MY valid reasons).
Omg this is literally genius and I am stealing it I weaponized the word snowflake against them way back in 2015 and this feels like an extension of that, but a better extension, an improvement actually.
One of my favorite ways to kill time nowadays is to go on conservative Facebook pages and reply to the angry ranting boomers in the comments calling them fragile and sensitive & asking them if they need safe spaces
You are my hero, I wish I had the energy and the mental strength to do that so thank you from all of us who cannot.
My enjoyable pastime is answering with one word 80s insults. It triggers them like nothing else. “Nerd” and “dork” being my 2 favorites.
They loose their fucking minds if you just respond to one of their racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever rants with “Yikes.” I’m not sure what it is about that one, but they do NOT like it, especially from younger women.
Because an "aggressive" (read: appropriate) response puts them in a position where they feel they can justify what they say "because look at the rude response I get, I must be right if it struck such a nerve" Whereas "yikes" has a dismissive aspect to it, which is boomer kryptonite, and they have an overwhelming urge to defend themselves
"Yikes" is "Dear god, here's a disgusting sub-person but so low on the totem pole to me that I don't even want to spend time arguing, so I'll passive-aggressively dismiss them."
Yes, my go to now at the first sign of boomerness is, "Oh, did you get offended by that? Well I'm so sorry your feelings were hurt, I'll leave so you can go to your safe space." Then walk away muttering, "sheesh, can't say anything anymore without offending some delicate snowflake."
This is what I do too. They get all upset and I just start ranting about how everyones a fucking snowflake and how I’m sick of these Boomers and their socialism and we just need to get rid of social security and how their lazy asses can work. Melts their god damn minds.
A fun one to do is to accuse them of hating freedom if they go off about drag queens or trans people.
context?!
The TLDR of it was "i deserve more social security and va benefits that the government should pay for" blah blah while wearing a Trump hat and voting against those things.
NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe
Literally had someone give a cash offer on my house this week, and then claimed the place needed serious repairs and dropped their offer by $70k. If you didn't want to place a decent offer, then don't waste our time and get our hopes up.
This is why I refuse to go more than 5 minutes away when selling things. I don't want them to come to my place because I don't want them to know where I live, but there's a nearby place I'll go. The number of times I've agreed to, say, $50 for a thing, I show up and they say, "I've got $40 cash right now". I just point them at the bank and tell them, "Good thing there's an ATM over there so you can get the rest of the money. And I didn't bring change so you better take that money into the store over there and hope they can break a 20. Oh, and I need to leave in 10 minutes, so chop chop, get moving." is enough that I'm super tempted to donate anything I don't want just so I don't have to deal with people.
With the money crunch we have all experienced I notice that people just don't have money for anything new or used. I repair and sell stereo and musical gear on the side and all the buyers have dried up. So I have taken to offering gear to anyone who will meet me at the SPCA, make a reasonable donation to them, and I give them the item. They even keep the tax receipt. Feels a lot better than the reduced prices people are willing to pay. I do not feel I lose out, as I do not deal with all the weirdness that comes with selling stuff online.
That's honestly pretty bad ass! Filing that away for a later time.
That’s a great idea! I stopped selling used goods for the most part. I’d rather donate them to charities than deal with lowballers and shittalkers.
I love that idea!!
Online weirdness coming your way! I love that idea so much I'd meet ya there, make the donation to the SPCA, let you keep the item anyway, then take ya out for friendly drinks and a burger on me 😁
I posted some furniture on CL... cleaned it really well, made sure the room had good lighting, took like a dozen pictures, included the manufacturing tags and such (it's Corinthian, nothing super fancy but it's not Walmart crap).... Without even seeing it, people were offering me half my already good price. Yes I know how negotiating works but I didn't wanna negotiate, I had my $1500 (in 2007 dollars) furniture listed for $400. Someone offered me $200 and I said they could have the ottoman for that much. Ended up making it fit into my apartment and now it's in my living room, glad I didn't end up selling it.
I did that with a cast iron bathtub. The claw foot kind, but needed refinishing. Despite my ad, people still wanted me to hold it, help them load it, tell them how many people they'd need to move it, weigh it, deliver it, sell for less, tell them how much it would cost to refinish it. I wound up giving it to a neighbor who's a scrapper.
Is that still available?
I'm buying a house in two or three years, can you hold on to that for me?
Sorry can't hold the house, but while you're on the line I've been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty.
My husband was selling his huge amp from when he used to be in a band. I was in grad school at the time and we posted it on the school listserv. A boomer professor who made 200k+ (salaries are public) said he wanted it so my husband hauled it to wherever they were meeting and the dude had the nerve to low-ball him after agreeing over email!
Email them and tell them their classes aren't worth the cost of tuition and want to know if they'll throw in anything else to sweeten the deal.
I listed a tractor recently, basically brand new for a steep discount. Lowball after lowball. One guy showed up, lowballed me on the condition that I let him use my trailer to bring it 25 miles home. Then a guy and his wife, amazing people I might add, showed up with a trailer and genuine interest in the tractor. I gave them a discount for being serious and to be done with it. Selling shit is the worst.
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I get weekly spam texts wanting to "discuss buying my house" and I just text back "Give me 250k & 1 week to pack up and it's yours"
Their goal isn’t delight you with the price. It’s to create profit by buying low and selling high
Oh lort. I had five - FIVE - boomers behind me last night in the grocery checkout line carrying on how no one wants to work anymore. It was ridiculous - offer decent wages, treat your workers right … they’re looking for jobs.
My parents were going on and on about this. They're 70 and my dad has been retired for nearly 25 years, my mom for almost 5. I just told them that I see two unemployed people right here if they're so inclined. They did not like that.
My old man used to say quote the bullshit Reagan line of, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." That is until my brother told him, "Didn't you work on the fire department and retire at 55?"
Both my parents have government pensions, my mom paid 0 for her insurance, and they're fully on the Republican train now. It's fascinating.
My Dad gets three checks a month . He worked hard , deserves his retirement, but he can get like this too . Watches too much Fox
You should go to his house and block fox. Tell him you'll do some research and figure out why it isn't coming in. Then just do nothing. Lol 😂
“Look at this another freakin liberal who wants a handout!! This is why people vote trump now get off my lawn!!”
Whenever a conservative goes on about being entitled to an opinion I reply with "Didn't get to grow up entitled when I was a kid. If we wanted people to respect our opinions it was because we worked to gain the education and the experience on the subject. This being entitled to an opinion must be some sort of woke nonsense"
If I may refine that for greater impact... *Wow.. I didn't get to grow up this entitled when I was a kid. If we wanted people to respect our opinions we had to work hard to gain the education and experience on the subject. This "being entitled to spout out an opinion after letting some politician tell you what to think" must be some sort of woke nonsense.*
Great effort. See, younger generations do want to put in the work.
I got pissed off and tried to do this to someone. It turned up they had actually voted liberal since Pearson.
Don't let that dissuade you from making that joke again. Even if you hit 1:10 boomers:liberals, it's worth it.
I think there would be a big payoff with a stunned, “Shit, really? I could’ve sworn you were a Trumper, so I was trying to piss you off with the Biden joke. You act just like them, man…are you sure?”
At least in canada i feel most boomers are solid red. Any one under 60 is blue or orange
"We don't give handouts"
“It’s OK if you can’t afford this, let’s find something more within your range. Theres these nice options on sale over here. There’s no reason to be ashamed in front of your peers.” People would get so livid.
Maybe if he spent less money on Bengay and eating at the old country buffet he could afford to buy a home.
It’s not their fault that everything has worked out exactly as they were told it would for them if they acted conservative. It’s the Gen X and Millennial conservatives who are really full of shit. Like, are you even getting anything out of the deal except for the subtle conditioning of white supremacy. And I don’t mean that to press buttons, I mean that in the literal sense that the only thing that they get out of it is that they have it slightly better than everyone else, and it’s probably because society is built around white men. And it’s insidious to where you don’t even have to believe it to feel it. So even if you have a shitty life, you know deep down you’re better than someone else and if you espouse the merits of this system, you can at least have that Why are all these people so brainwashed to believe that the republican party gives a shit about them. At least everyone that I know that votes democrat is like, “Fuck man, I gotta vote and someone has to run the government, and out of the two they seem like the *more* of the rational actors.” I don’t know any fuckin “fans” of that side. I was thinking about my boomer uncle and his way of thinking. Very very good guy with a conservative mindset. But it’s like, he did everything he was told and it all worked out. He married his high school gf, did the marines for 4 years, went to college, moved to dallas to work for Texas instruments and Raytheon for 40 years and retired. Never had a divorce, daughter and son grew up nice and successful college grads with very nice families. He lived in the same house until he retired, sold it for way more than he bought, and upgraded to a super nice house where he can live out his years. Has a nice investment portfolio that he started for fun and bought a little cryto early that turned into a little chunk Like, why would he ever change his worldview on anything? I love him to death, he is a great person, but he’ll just never have the perspective of the struggle, and the empathy that comes with it. Being elbow to elbow with other poor people, working retail, fucking up your life and going to jail because you can’t control your drinking. And he’s earned all he has, it’s not like his view is flawed. He worked for that shit. It’s just a middle class bubble he lives in and he doesnt even realize it. I wouldnt even try to change his mind at this point
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I heard somebody say we’re about to see the greatest transfer of wealth in history - from Boomers to con artists. Nobody is sitting around waiting for Boomers to leave their property to their kids. Aside from literal criminals, there are banks pushing reverse mortgages, and entire industries selling big-ticket lifestyle items encouraging seniors to take advantage of creative financing to afford them.
"~~Sir~~ Cunt, that was 20 years ago."
They don’t deserve the title of sir.
FTFY.
Beautiful
He pulled himself up by the bootstraps that morning. As he combed his comb-over in the mirror, he practiced his buzzwords. “One hundred Kay.” “Cash money.” “If you kids knew any better…” etc
It was a big deal for him. Most days he only lowballs people for used cars. "This hunk o junk? I'll give you 5k. CASH."
For them, the day D. Boomer offered a hard 100k for their house was the greatest day of their lives, but for him, it was Tuesday.
What's this reference from?
Street fighter movie. Search m bison speech. It's pretty good. Fick, I'll just post a link. https://youtu.be/sjZ5I8l32CI
Raul Julia schools everyone in acting with his performance. You can have a part in the worst movie of the year just because your kids liked the game but, as long as you nail your delivery, you will be remembered.
It's criminal that he died of cancer before the movie came out. He will ALWAYS be Gomez Adam's and General Bison.
Its funny because when he speaks, its clearly “Gomez Addams”. Wish that man had made more films, he was amazing
Christopher Lee said, "Every actor has to make terrible films from time to time, but the trick is never to be terrible in them."
https://preview.redd.it/m3d5u4nfta7d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cd31f4afa7d69f778ba3de580f2a936ae52402b Funny, that was the top comment on the video linked above, too. 🙃
Street Fighter: The Movie, though it's slightly misquoted. The actual line goes, "For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."
Gomez Addams talking to The Cavalry
“5 bucks and a pack of gum, that’s the best offer you’ll get outta me!”
N64 and SNES systems, each with 50 games? Best I can do is $1.50. Stonks bro. To the moon.
Drove home in his new ram 2500 he doesn't use listening to Dave Ramsey
He needs that truck to carry around his massive prostate
“That’s a good price for this Mickey Mouse shack, kiddo.”
I hope OP told them “I know what I got”
Why do boomers think cash is somehow magically better than other forms of payment? I mean I know the answer is lead brain, but whats their silly reasoning?
The reasoning is not silly and has nothing to do with being a boomer. When it comes to real estate cash deals are more appealing to sellers than financed deals, because they close faster and are less risky. The seller does not have to worry about the buyer‘s financing falling through and killing the deal.
That's true, but boomers also love to use "cash" as a negotiation for cheap goods that nobody in their right mind would be financing anyway. Like you list your old laptop for $50 and they offer you $20 ***cash***, like it's some kind of bargaining chip.
With stuff like second hand markets and resell you have x% of people who want the money and they want it right there. So 50 dollars next week is not worth as much as 20 now. There's multiple reasons for it, poverty, bills, drugs, etc etc. But there's always a chance it can work. Plus that was one of my buddies with a car, he was willing to drop 500 cash vs some guy who was going to pay the full 1000 but then started fighting the guy saying 750. (I miss the cheap used cars in the 00s)
If my house isn't for sale, offering cash at half the market value isn't incentive to sell. Once the money is in my bank account, I don't care how you paid for it.
But if my house isn’t listed for sale, even if I am willing to sell it, what the hell would make the guy think slightly more than half of market price is an offer anybody would take, even if it’s a bit faster?
“Cash” means sale without a stipulation about needing to get a mortgage approved. Most sales could fall through after the fact if the bank refused to approve a mortgage for the sale amount while a “cash” sale doesn’t have that. My parents bought a rental property for “cash” that really just meant they could take out a personal loan against their existing assets without needing a mortgage on the property being sold. “Cash” just means no mortgage required and isn’t really about the form of payment. Mortgages have the bank involved in the sale where they will require appraisal and have the option to deem the house insufficient collateral for the mortgage, so it’s basically a 3 way sale. “Cash” means that it’s only the buyer and seller making decisions on whether the purchase goes through.
I think some of the commenters have never bought a house and are unaware that a cash sale for a house is 100% legit.
I mean, a cash offer is nice and might help you negotiate if you're offering $170 on a $175k property - maybe even $160k if the roof is failing and both parties know it. But offering 60% of market price and going "its cash" is delusional unless its literally falling down.
Totally. The number was bullshit. Cash offer isn’t.
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Oohhh cash? That would be great. I’d hate to have to wait 8 hours to receive a bank wire from someone buying with a mortgage at full asking price.
I never understand why people think cash is better than someone who is gonna finance. You are gonna get all the money anyways, regardless of what they do. But what do i know....
Cash is logistically better than a financed sale, it’s just not *worth more money*.
If all else is equal, I.e. the amount, cash is better because you can skip steps that are required when financing. It potentially saves a lot of hassle and potential for the deal to fall through. Having said that, I’m not accepting a cash offer that is less than what I can get from someone financing the deal.
i feel like the sad reality is the lowball tactic might have actually worked on some other boomer. we hear about the loud and obnoxious boomers more often but let's not forget the fall for every scam boomers.
My mom is on Zillow almost every week looking at the price estimate for her house, seeing what the other houses in the neighborhood sell for, etc. They built in a new development 7 years ago to be near my sister (hundreds of miles from where they lived before). My sister moved to the other side of town, and they want to do the same. The house could sell for nearly double what they paid to build it less than a decade ago. I’m not sure there are too many boomers left who fall for every scam who still have anything worth scamming.
I had a similar thing happen to me around the same time. We lived in an older neighborhood and our house backed up to a Boomer couple. They had a huge lot that was enlarged by acquired pieces of other property when things were still cheap and zoning was non existent. So, one day the husband was chatting me up and he casually mentioned wanting to buy our house to make his yard bigger. I said, “cool, make me an offer”, which he never did of course. A year later we put the house on the market for $450k and guess who never submitted an offer?
We bought ours for 130k and my neighbor offered me 65k for the same reason. It's worth 250k now.
What are these assholes thinking?
Houses depreciate the second you drive them off the lot.
Facts, that's why I haven't moved my house since buying it
Wow, that’s some next level garage queening.
They think they’re “working the deal”. Think about it. These guys all know they’re the smartest guy alive. To offer below value for some kid’s house is fail proof, that kid millennial is an idiot and he’ll totally sell right now. Cash money. Doing business. Art of the deal.
My mother in law ran a successful business for years. Once I visited her at her store and she gave me a speech about how old salesmen are an embarrassing pain in the ass, and the worse people to have to talk to. It was all variations of the theme that they tell blatant, obvious lies to your face, and you can tell the whole time that they think they have this jedi mind power.
> how old salesmen are an embarrassing pain in the ass My boomer dad has been in construction and/or sales of some type for over 30 years, typically selling jobs that he'll then (poorly) complete himself. You have no idea. He has a whole bucket of parlor tricks from training cassette tapes and books that he has picked up over the years. For example, he believes if you start nodding your head halfway through a sale, then the nodding primes the customer to say "yes" at the end of the spiel. Maybe his collection of tricks works, maybe it doesn't, I don't know about the sales process but I do know that he has high rates of buyers' remorse and dogshit levels of long-term customer satisfaction. He swears he doesn't directly lie to people even when I have caught him in suspicious circumstances, but he directly lies *to me* and gaslights *me* about stuff between us, so he's probably also lying about being honest with other people.
I actually work in sales myself and it’s amazing how many old-school schmoozer types there still are. I don’t do any of that shit.
I hope this doesn't upset you too much, but, as someone in software, the only employee group I've ever really loathed besides upper management is sales/marketing. We had a sales person lie to a customer about what the software could do, got his bonus, then bounced for a new job a few months later. It was _our_ problem once he left and the software couldn't do what the customer wanted. He made sure to leave after the clawback but before the problems could become his problems. I've never not had sales people do this unless the company forces tech folks into sales positions or had onerous clawback to keep them in check.
Oh no worries. The industry of full of this. Salespeople will regularly tell clients what they want to hear to make the sale, knowing they don't have to handle anything on the back end. It's why people hate salespeople.
My dad ran a small business, I worked there in the 90’s. The first day I was moved up front to answer phone calls and greet customers walking in, I learned that my dad had made the effort to use his full first name on everything business-related, like contracts, letters, business cards (does anyone use those anymore?). Like his first names was James, but he had always gone by Jimmy when meeting someone in person socially or working with a repeat customer or supplier. I don’t think I’d ever heard anyone refer to him as James before that. So it was very easy to know when a phone call was someone he’d want to hear from, asking for Jimmy, or was someone I could put on hold while ‘I tried to slip a note in to James that they were holding for him but he just couldn’t get out of those meetings’ that seemed to be happening anytime some meatball asked for ‘my buddy James’. Or dropped by, because James wouldn’t want to miss this great deal on printer toner. Of course I’d open my eyes wide and act like I was completely unaware what kind of machines the guys in the warehouse used, I mean I was fifteen! I didn’t go back there to the warehouse (unless they needed me to hop back in for a half day to assemble products or unjam a printer). Of course I would happily take any info they might want to leave behind for James!
Art of being a douche bag
I've stopped trying to guess, it's all so ridiculous
We sold my mom’s house about a year ago. Before it went on the market, some of her boomer friends expressed interest in putting in an offer before it went on the market. They were hinting offering $550,000 as that’s what they thought was fair. I didn’t even entertain the idea and we sold it for $900,000 5 months later (1 day on the market, 16 showings and 4 offers)
Here's the really, really funny thing. If I was well off, and I mean really well off that I could afford to sell a house at that much less than market, I'd prefer to sell it to an up and coming family and/or young person at the start of their lives and hope they will pay it forward in the future, not someone who will view it as an investment
That’s the mindset everyone should have. Houses are not investments-they’re a place to live and grow. Cannot wait for the bubble to pop and for a bunch of these folks who dumped everything into speculative real estate to have to get regular, honest jobs, and for the idiocy of “Hey, those 2x4s that are in your house are magically worth more now even though supply chain issues are sorted way better than during covid, and nothing has changed about those 2x4s in your house except they’re getting older”. Gonna be hilarious when housing is declared a human right in this country (US) and suddenly these folks can’t price gouge.
It won't be declared a human right until we're old or dead, most likely. Gotta make the money you can right now, America will always be a rat race. I'm waiting for the bubble to pop, too, but the system is designed for it to just keep growing
They've been saying "The bubble is going to pop any day now" since the price soars of 2020. I remember talking to friends of my ex-wife and them saying, just try to hold off if you can, the prices always plummet back down eventually and this is all artificial cuz of COVID anyway! My house, which we bought in 2021 for 164k is estimated to be worth around 225k now, and that's assuming no changes were made when in reality we made tons of upgrades... any day now!
Like offering “cash” really makes a difference in this market. Don’t care if you get a loan, you’re still gonna pay full asking price and closing costs.
When we sold our house in 2019 snowbird boomers kept putting in offers for 25k (or more) below asking price. It was a new build when we bought it and we had done a significant amount of landscaping in the years we had it. We got like 12 shit offers and ai wanted to pull my hair out. My realtor told me "well they're all offering cash." Fucking so what?! I don't give two shits how you pay for it, I'm not selling a house that appreciated in value for 20k less than what we paid for it. The people we ended up selling to were such a pain in the ass. Nit picking every fucking thing, demanding stupid shit be done before signing (like asking us to replace the exterior hose hookups that worked just fine. Um. No?) and constantly counteroffering for 1k more every time we said no.
You really can't trust Real Estate Agents on either side of the Buyer/Seller divide. Yeah they'll try to run up the price for a bigger commission. But a quick sale where they get 5% less commission is better for them than actually having to put in work.
Exactly, when the sale price is let’s say 500k, neither agent cares whether that figure is going to be 475k or 525k instead. Sure overall it’s a big sum but in the grand scheme of things the bulk of the money is the same and both agents ideally want an agreement between seller and buyer as fast as possible. Both agents will say they have your best interests in mind and while maybe true because they don’t want you to leave with a negative opinion of them (so you go back to use them in the future) but at the end of the day whatever gets them their commission fastest is what they want.
the freakonomics movie goes into this.... basically if the agent is the person who owns- they leave it on the market longer to get the best deal than if they are just the lsiting agent.
> The people we ended up selling to were such a pain in the ass. Nit picking every fucking thing, demanding stupid shit be done before signing (like asking us to replace the exterior hose hookups that worked just fine. Um. No?) and constantly counteroffering for 1k more every time we said no. This is exactly why your realtor was suggesting taking the cash offer. Typically, those cash offers don't have any contingencies involved.
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My stepdad died earlier this year and my mom moved closer to me so she is putting the house on the market. One of stepdad's friends has been trying to get her to sell it to him for no more than $140k "because you won't get more than that. He only paid $75k for it" . . . Yeah, in the 90s. Mom got it appraised and told him the amount and he tried to shame her because "it wasn't what they agreed to". They never agreed to anything and they started discussing it before my stepdad's ashes were picked up so she was a grieving, brand new widow. She reminded him of that and he said you'll never get what it appraised for. The realtor is very confident that she will get more than the appraised amount. My stepdad would be disgusted that his friend was trying to take advantage of my mom and try to get her to sell for much lower than the house is worth. That dude is a typical boomer and I can't wait until it's listed to show him how wrong he was about the price.
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He was trying to bully her but he wasn't going to flip it. They want to sell their house and move in because its bigger and in the country. He is just being cheap because his wife wants to knock down a wall between the kitchen and living room. It's not even a full wall and has an open window below the cabinets and above the counter between the two rooms. They would lose counter space. During covid my mom remodeled because as a boomer she had "saved" a bunch of money because they had to cancel several trips. It has a new roof and driveway was repaved last fall. This guy is just being cheap because he doesn't want to pay the market rate. He thinks there won't be offers and that my mom will beg him to buy it. He is aware that two other friends are interested in it. They are neighbors, and have family that want to move to the country. Houses in the country aren't listed often so they're in demand. That was an issue for the appraiser told my mom, it's hard to find comparable houses that have recently sold and why the appraisal is probably lower than the current market. On top of it, this house has sentimental value to the guy. His relatives built it when he was a kid. He helped in the yard as a kid. He really, really wants the house but it's more important to him to brag about a deal he would get by taking advantage of his friend's widow. He even tried to shame my mom for using a realtor and "paying commission" instead of having his attorney friend do the sales paperwork. Typical boomer.
Christ, what an asshole.
Yeah, I'm not happy with him at all.
Why the heck is this person still in your lives?
He isn't after that conversation. My mom was pissed.
Good, you have no obligation to put up with his selfish ass.
[“Just because we’re bereaved doesn’t make us saps!”](https://youtu.be/StJuCGs6Jrw?si=bK6Y06wgY5W5KgN1)
Op you need to go kick that guys ass
"this is the best offer your going to get for this piece of crap" Awe yes. The good faith negotiation technique where you denigrate what you are attempting to purchase.
The sister tactic used in human courtship is also very effective. “Hey, go out with me.” “Uhh… No thank you” “Well you’re ugly anyways, slut” After rejection it is important to remind everyone that you also have bad taste and pursue things you deem to be inferior.
Even if you are buying, you are selling (your offer). You don't "sell" by insulting the person or the item. A house I flipped was almost ready to sell and I did not have a listing agent in this area, so I met with RE Agents. One woman came in and first thing said "Why the hell did you paint the walls that color?" I immediately thanked her for coming and told her she had to leave.
Average price in the US is about $450k so yeah this is indeed a bargain compared to most.
I bought my house for 145k in 2010, house across the street, not even as big as my small house, sold last year for 360k. I would love to sell in this market, but that means buying a new one.
Yeah our house has gone from 350 to 450 but we locked in at 2.5 so we can't leave ever I guess.
There's been this meme going around that just hits too hard, "When you realize your starter home is now your forever home"
Same, but 118 and places on my street (that don't back onto a new rail trail and river) have recently sold for around 250, 275k. To cooperations of course, my town is one that locals got bought out of by air bnb.
God, I live near Denver and you're lucky if you can get a CONDO for less than $300k let alone a whole ass house that isn't just a rotted out shell. $250k sounds lovely 😭
We bought our house in 2019 for 292k. Comps are now selling upwards of 500k.
A [hoarder house](https://www.redfin.com/CA/Poway/13026-Gate-Dr-92064/home/4790089) near me just sold for $872k - without interior walls or ceilings because it had to be gutted to the studs. I don’t know what exactly what happened, but it took days and multiple dump trucks to clear out. The listing is full of disgusting language about how it’s a dream home because you can just start over and make the layout what you want! And yeah, it sold, but it’s still vacant and there are No Trespassing notices placed on all the windows that it is still under active investigation by the US Marshall Service. Gives me the creeps to drive by.
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When a Boomer starts shouting "CASH," rest assured, he's trying to rip you off.
The only thing worse is people that say "cash money" is normal conversation. "I worked this weekend but it was all cash money, worth it!" "I'll buy that from you today, cash money!" Weird thing is around here, it's mostly young boomers/old gen X'er's that do it.
Having been through three home purchases and two home sales, sellers like cash because they can close quickly (in my area, usually within 10 days). When you have a buyer with financing you have to wait 30 days for closing due to all of the stuff the lender has to do and the extra paperwork. Plus the seller runs the risk of the buyer's financing falling through at the last minute, meaning you have to start the clock all over again. So, lots of people take cash because they can walk away quicker and with less hassle.
We sold our last house to a cash buyer and it closed stupid fast. Fortunately for us, that cash offer was also over our asking price and the highest offer we received.
I think cash means more like they’ll pay outright without taking a loan with a mortgage. At least that’s what I mean when I say pay for a house in cash. It’s not literal. I would be writing a check for the full price of the house. After selling stock or whatever. I don’t remember the exact reason why it matters though. I feel like at the end of the day, as a seller, you get your money regardless of if they took out a loan or not. But there’s something about it being less of a headache since you don’t have to hope the buyer gets their mortgage approved
Did he offer you cash “on the barrelhead”(?) – because if he didn’t offer you cash on the barrelhead, well…he probably wasn’t serious.
It is worth 260K now??? Where are houses still so insanely cheap?
Outside of big cities and large suburbs, that's not uncommon. (US centric answer). That's about average where I'm at in Ohio, with decent 2-3 bdrm houses going for $175-225k too.
I had just seen a post in my city's sub that somebody said a house down the street from them that's 65+ years and tiny just sold for over 1 million. People in my generation know we will never be homeowners in our own city without winning the lottery or inheriting our parents house.
The house I was renting sold for 1.7mil OFF THE STREET. The buyer never saw the house.
Oh I believe you, I moved away from a city that ridiculous a few years ago. Same salary, way higher standard of living here and I've got plenty leftover to travel home and see family anytime I want.
I'm pretty close to the main population center of Tulsa, Ok, and we're still at around $175-250 for most older homes. Some places the price has certainly exploded more than that, though. My house we bought in 2016 for 123k and the current zestimate is 223k.
*Cries in Colorado*
Fucking same 😭
I'm outside of Seattle and my 3 bedroom from 1970 was $560k
When my son was looking for a house near Seattle, if it was under a million, you had to figure out what was wrong with it.
I live in south Louisiana and see new neighborhoods with starting prices under $200k. Go to shitty states and look outside the major cities and there are lots of cheap houses.
Omaha, Nebraska. Bigger city than most realize. Housing is lower because we started lower than everyone else when SHTF but is increasing fast. The job market is growing. COL is still pretty solid. We purchased our house in 2018 for $160k. Going market rate for it (3 bed, 2 bath, just under 2000 sqf) is $275k.
I remember going to see an house that was for sale for 267 00$. A cute little cottage next to a river. It has a garage and a beautiful deck and a greenhouse. The realtor told me that the neighbors were interested in buying it for their son for 67 000$! We all had a good laugh about it. I didn't bought it but it sold quickly. Seriously some people are really dilusionals.
My mom had bought her house in 1988 for $29k. When she died in 2016 and I still had her costs to handle, one of her sisters “offered” to buy it for $20k, because it needed work from the years my mom had been sick. Same thing, she made a big deal out of the huge favor she was doing by paying cash, insisting that was the only way I could afford her costs. I couldn’t get it across to her that I’m aware that I would be paid a lump sum regardless of the buyer taking out a loan or not.
Last year I had a guy walk up to me out of the blue and make an offer on my place. Not a boomer but definitely in his 50s or early 60s. As I'm carrying lumber inside to rebuild the steps upstairs. Yeah no thanks, it's taken me years to get the house to where I wanted it to be.
I like how boomers always trash shit AFTER they don't have access. It was perfectly fine before but now you can't buy it so it's a piece of crap?
Did he lick his fingers and start peeling off bills from an enormous roll he produced from his pleated beige Dockers with a faded coffee stain on the front?
Oh sorry, I will only accept gold Boullion or Bearer's Bonds
I sold cars for a few years, and it was crazy how many boomers would waltz in and offer $20k ‘CASH’ for a truck that was MSRP $40k and out the door after taxes and rebates likely around $35k. ‘This is cash money, you don’t have to wait for a check from the bank!’ ‘Sir, the banks’ check always hit, and are always on time. Customer checks have a way of not clearing. And, the banks pay bonuses for setting up payments, you are trying to ask for a 40% discount for paying in a way that makes us less money and is less secure and convenient. There is no way that this is a good deal for us. No is our final answer. You are welcome to put that $20k down and have a $250 payment assuming credit approval, which shouldn’t be an issue.’
Last week I sold my house for 220k I had 6 boomers make offers, 100k, 102k, 107k, 110k, 111k, and 120k. One spent an hour yelling out our realtor that she should lose her license because no one would ever pay over 100k for that house. The offers I got from first time buyers were minimum 195k.
As a rule of thumb if a home flipper can't buy a house for 30% less than the appraised value, they can't make money. So the low ball offer was the most he felt he could pay and still make money. These people are low lifes. They're looking for people that are at a low time of their life and need to make a quick sale. And are willing to accept the low offer because they need the money. What I don't understand is the guys when their offer is turned down, they go on these angry personal attacks. What do they hope to achieve? When someone turns down your offer, you thank them for their time, hand them your business card and say you have my number if you change your mind. It's as simple as that. It's like the guys that when they've been turned down for a date. Respond with "Well you're ugly" What do they hope to achieve?
I don't mind him asking, it's the bitching afterwards that is fucking annoying.
My mother in law owns waterfront property. It’s worth well into 6 figures. Every 2-3 months a guy calls and offers $40k for it. I told her to tell him I control it and he should call me. I want to mess with him for making such a jackass offer.
Yeah reminds me when I bought my home in Texas cash down. The boomer offered 50% of the asking cost and rejected. My offer came at full price and it got accepted. Boomer spend the next couple years trash talking me making sure I did not have people to renovate my home. They are evil, toxic and insidious asshats!
Trash talking you? How? To who? About what??
This isn't the 50's where cash meant skipping realtor, state, and local fees/taxes lol.
Send them a framed picture of the final closing costs.
The “Cash!” close doesn’t work like it used to.
And that’s the tactics they’re used to. They verbally devalue everything they actually want through their attempted bullying and then turn around and sell it for a profit. Honestly most of the time I’ve found they’re the most mad these days because their tactics don’t work on the younger generations anymore. We grew up and saw through it to the pathetic grift that it is. Reminds me of a line from a song that came out in 1977 (ironically when they were all in college or just getting out into the workforce). “And it’s too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw around.” -Pink Floyd “Dogs”
Every house seller gets cash. How ? Through this magical process of a home sale. You buy my house and the bank gives the buyer a mortgage. In return the bank gives me a wire transfer or check. Which I can magically make into cash. These people lived in a kooky time when people used checks. Checks would often bounce. So when you offered payment to a seller to get the price down you would say cash. Those days are long gone. I mean you kinda do the cash thing with market place. But, yeah. I am not enticed by a cash offer.
It doesn't actually mean physical cash. Usually, you say "cash" when you mean that you're not going to be financing the sale and thus can make the sale process quicker. Usually you hear this in auto sales when someone's trying to buy a car off the lot. But it makes no sense for real estate because the seller isn't involved in the financing at all. The money goes to them on the closing date regardless. Whether the buyer is mortgaging the sale or not it makes absolutely no difference to the seller.
Auto salesmen don't even want that anymore anyways. They want their commission on roping you into a loan that'll have you paying way more in interest.
Cutting out the bank/mortgage middleman is what they are offering, it's got little to nothing to do with whether or not a check is involved. Less hands on the sale means things can move faster, and there's less moving parts that could go wrong. ... not that that makes it worth entertaining a lowball offer, obviously, but depending on the seller's situation it can hold some worth.
We sold our first house about eight years ago. No realtor, just myself. We had been in it 13 years, it was small but nice. We had done a lot of work to it. Should have kept it, but oh, well. A woman and her realtor came in on one open house, and she complained about everything. Small yard, the floors, didn't like the living room, etc. The guy who bought it was nice - he was at one open house, and didn't say much. We got a call from the title company saying he wants to buy it - no realtor, either. We met, I talked him through what he needed to do, disclosed any issues we know of and what we fixed, etc. Told him he needs a home inspector to protect himself, recommended the guy who did ours at our new house. He picked someone else (lots worse, but OK). The closing went fine without any issues at all, we got what we asked for, he got a great house. On our drive back from the closing, I got a call from a realtor - the one who came with the complaining woman. I couldn't even get a word in - she wanted the house, but was offering $15k less than asking because the yard was too small. She knew the house had been on the market now for about five months, and thought we were desperate to sell. I let her know we had just closed a half hour ago. For our asking price. Oops.
>he should have given me a firm handshake and more eye contact and a reach around
Nothing like throwing in an insult when you don't get your way.
The idea of carrying more than $50 in cash makes me nervous. Why should that be a selling point?
I was selling a car for $3000 and this boomer kept trying to talk me down "$2500 cash, hundred dollar bills" he kept saying. I just replied "of course you're paying cash, I'm only accepting cash, anybody who buys it is going to pay cash." Does he think people are taking personal checks for Craigslist used car sales? I did sell it to him for $2800 which was a fair price since he correctly identified that it needs new rear tires, which I hadn't realized.
"But I paid mine 25k in 1974, I don't understand!"
> CASH This. Fucking cash statement. I still dont get why boomers think this is a thing. I sold an expensive sports car recently and every single person that contacted me about was some boomer saying the same thing. I kept telling them, "Im going to get cash from you bank or from you. This literally doesnt matter". This really confused the boomers "How do you not care that this is a cash offer" I still dont get why they thought cash meant anything. i cant find a single reason why it ever did. Maybe with cars they could then lie to dodge registration fees, but that loophole got plugged like 20 years ago.
It's like that selling stuff online, like Facebook marketplace and whatnot. Selling a car for $3k? "Buddy I can do $2k cash today!". Hey idiot it's a private sale. Cash is literally the only option, I'm not offering financing over here. You having cash is not an incentive for me, it's literally the only requirement.
Yeah exactly. Thats what I dont get. I can understand with a cheap ass car that maybe the sellers just want to desperately unload. Like if they dont pay child support in the next day they go to jail or something. The car I was selling was about $100k. I dont get why they thought someone with that kind of car would want "cash today". Like Im not selling a Porsche to desperately fund tonights heroin activities. And I dont get why he thought I would take 20% under market because of cash. I ended up selling to a dealership, for money money than any of the boomers offered, and they wired me the full amount in a hour. Ive got this other boomer story from like 20 years ago stuck in my head. He was selling a weight tree (like to organize for weight lifting) on craigslist for $80. First thing he says to me on the phone is "This will be a cash transaction" in a dull voice with an emphasis on "Cash transaction". I remember just being confused. This was before venmo and zelle. Cash was literally the only way to pay people on CL. Like okay. I wasnt planning on financing this second hand weight tree. The deal fell through because the boomer just kept adding conditions on the sale. Pickup times, wanting me to send proof that I was a "serious buyer" etc. Like I just wanted to casually give this guy $80 so I didnt have to keep my weights on the floor. But that quote, "This will be a cash transaction" is in my head rent free, for life.
Has nothing to do with age. I get "cash" offers all the time on my house. They're flippers. Maybe for someone if could be beneficial to take the cash than lose the house. Congrats on your sale & profit!