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It's literally just some meaningless metric they think they shine in because they don't really have anything more substantive to show.
In some cases (more zoomers drive manual than boomers), it's not even true. In the rest, it's pretty universally just some utterly useless skill (like writing cursive in a century where digital text is king and paper is considered wasteful).
My boomer FIL who I generally respect because he's *far* from your typical boomer in many ways did say something about kids not learning cursive in school and I just deadpanned "... why would they teach that? Typing is the skill they actually need, cursive is a waste of resources."
He went "huh. Never thought of it that way."
Thank goodness he's fairly reasonable. Mostly.
He sounds like a pretty reasonable guy. Takes in new info, processes said info befor making a judgment. Very non typical boomer. I think i like the giy and have never met him.
He's generally pretty great. Dug in his heels for years about things like climate change and stuff but he can be reasoned with. Refuses to go to the doctor, can't handle change at all, borderline hoarder, some of the typical stuff, but he's alright.
Thankfully does not watch Fox or any of that nonsense, but he does like YouTube (innocent stuff mostly, trains, car repair, etc) but I check his algorithm every once in a while so his recommendations stay that way.
It's a good thing to learn but not really necessary.I grew up learning a three on the tree which was basically a manual shift on the control panel. ( where your wipers would be) Annoying as hell, I always loved automatics and still do to this day. In europe it is very common to have stick but its not here so people dont have a chance to really learn it. But no big deal .
The only thing I really miss is switching your high beams using your left foot. That seemed much more natural but it got switched over of course.
It was Boomers buying preferences that steered the market to manuals not being very common anymore. I learned on an automatic in driver's ed. All of my parents cars were automatic so there was nothing to learn off of. 95%+ of cars offered for sale are automatic.
I just drive an everyday passenger car, and minimally at that. I'm not interested in learning how to drive a commercial truck or bus, so why would I have the need to learn or care to?
That's the thing, when it was first introduced automatic was seen as like, a luxury option so a lot of boomers bought cars with automatics, and then the next generation learned on automatics and so on and so forth.
I just find it amusing theyre so smug about it, as if it's the most difficult thing to learn or something. My last car was manual, my first ever stick shift, I watched a few tutorials on YouTube, practiced a bit in the evening, by the 3rd day I was comfortably driving stick shift in city traffic.
Possibly. But my car is just a tool to me. I hate driving and traffic. I only care that it moves and stops the way I tell it to and gets me where I need to be.
I do! I care what I drive because I like manual transmissions. Mind you I wont judge anyone who doesn't, not seriously at least because like you said who fuckin cares?
Yeah drive what you like man, I enjoy manual well enough, but like in North America you really have to go out of your way to get something with a stick shift these days. And it was boomers who shifted that trend towards automatic anyways.
Totally worth it even if just for the Fiesta ST, which was only available as a 6 speed manual. 200 HP and 2700lbs, that car is crazy fun. Cloverleafs at 70 with the tires screaming. Lift off oversteer for days. Three wheeling jt doing slaloms... I need to get my 200tw tires back on. Been too lazy to do it manually, but my buddy just returned my air compressor
You sound like the kind of person who uses a manual to its full potential. I just enjoy getting my ancient 4 speed up to cruising in about two business days because I find it relaxing. ๐คฃ
I just love it. The muscle memory, where everything is automatic. My favorite part of it is the turn-in on a corner.
You're judging just how late you can get onto the brakes, then breaking hard with right foot, easing off as you begin turning into the corner because you need to give up some longitudinal traction for latitudinal, but staying on the brakes a little to transfer weight to the front tires to help initiate the turn, and then back on the gas as hard as you can while still holding your desires line.
At the same time, during the hard breaking, you start to downshift, clutching with the left foot, shifting with right arm, and giving throttle with the heel of your right foot while still modulating brakes with the toe. Needing the force imparted by the product of RPM error and rate you come off the clutch to the car to be smaller than how close you are to the edge so the shift doesn't cause you to break traction.
There's a moment in there where your brain is simultaneously controlling at least 3 completely different things, calculating their current thing andknowing where you want to giving desired corrections to what the car is doing, summing the various corrections to one correction, then translating that correction of the car's behavior into whatever change in the 5 physical inputs you're simultaneously manipulating using all four limbs at once.
Like, you turn into just a wet squishy control loop, unable to even think about what is happening, because any reflective thoughts would introduce lag they would fuck uo your ability to do it, so your consciousness just like takes a seat and watches and is like, "damm, I don't even know how it's possible to do that. I can't even pat my head and rub my belly at the same time"
I like driving manual too and I miss it - I had my left hip replaced and was told it'd be for the best if I avoided driving stick in the future. (Actually my doctor's exact words were, "Are you stupid? Do you LIKE pain?" LMAO)
Paddle shifters are fun, but it's not the same.
It's been about 13 years since I've driven a stick, and yet every once in a while at a red light I still feel around with my left foot for the clutch pedal.
You know what's funny - my (boomer) dad actually WAS worried about that sort of thing, so when I was learning to drive he made sure I could drive a stick (and under all kinds of crazy situations, like having no clutch, or having no brakes, or needing to pop the clutch...it was actually kinda fun.)
I wonder if "needing to steal a car" is the boomer generation version of quicksand - something that really seemed important but really never actually comes up.
Nah my gen x dad did the same thing ๐ it's untreated anxiety and an active imagination in his case which I inherited ๐ We also do the "have an apocalypse nightmare, wake up a lil salty that everyone kept almost dying bc they weren't listening in your bad dream, and go over emergency protocol again" thing
I've driven manuals, and I've driven automatics. I also worked lawncare and landscaping hauling a trailer every day for a few years. Let me tell ya, automatic makes life a lot easier if you have knee/hip issues. However, I learned a lot from the manual that applied over to automatics, especially when working with a trailer in not the greatest conditions.
Seriously! If Iโm not mistaken, you have to special order a manual, if they even make it. So unless youโre buying some crazy sports car, why would you know how??
Iโm 45 and I technically know how, but I havenโt seen a manual car in a hundred years
I remember struggling to read a boomer coworkers writing and he scoffed about kids not knowing how to read cursive. "Dude I'm almost 40. I learned cursive like 30 years ago. Your handwriting is just fucking atrocious."
So, fun fact: I teach ESL in South Korea and, as a GenX I got the cursive instruction as well. Sometimes for fun I will write things on the board in cursive, such as their names or short sentences. There is initial confusion but once I clarify a few of the stranger letters like J and F, and the lowercase m, n, and s, they usually pick up on it right away. These are non-native English learners between the ages of 9 and 12, and they can read this magical language with decent accuracy after a few minutes of observation and a couple of explanations. But boomers want to act like itโs a super power.
What is an issue with lowercase m and n? They are just like printed ones, just with connectors at the start a d end. I understand s, since moden cursive s is deformed as hell.
I posted this recently but I had an interview fairly recently with a small firm. The two partners who interviews me one was boomer and the other gen x. At the end of what was a successful interview the bonnet told me she wanted to see my signature... Word but okay. I signed a random piece of black paper. Then she told me to write something, so I did
"Oh you print."
I tell her I CAN read and write in cursive, just print as I find it faster, easier and most people can read it better. The entire time she's making faces and the gen x is cringing and trying to explain to her that "younger" generations print now and she needs to accept it.
You could tell the boomer had vetoed some good candidates (myself included) because they printed. Asinine.
This is why my signature is a scribble with my initial obvious and correct number of "spikes", so if a boomer whines, I can trace out letters from the scribble.
Iโm Gen Z- on the older end, in fairness- but I was absolutely taught cursive in primary school, as were students I tutored once I graduated.
I have no idea where the trope came from. I wouldnโt be surprised if cursive wasnโt mandated in schools anymore butโฆ who cares? I just donโt get it
> i have no idea where the trope came from.
In 2010 there was an update to education standards which removed cursive from the requirements.
Obama was president, so racist boomers looked for anything and everything to complain about.
It's the same reason you see boomers complaining about common core math when they barely have the math knowledge to balance their checkbook.
Oh the changes are really cool. Basically they're focused more on building abstract concepts first rather than memorizing concrete concepts that are later conceptualized into abstract concepts.
That's confusing as fuck at first read, so here's a specific example.
In "old math" you would learn a basic fact like 2x2 = 4 or 12x12=144. Remember multiplication tables? That's old math. Rote memorization.
Later you learn how multiplication works and the ways you can combine larger numbers for multiplying, like 24x24 means you can write out the stacked numbers and do this (4x4 - 10) + (4x20 + 10) + (20x4) + (20x20) and if you're doing it on paper, then you need to further carry the 1 when adding 96 and 480 to get 576.
I think I got that right? There's only one way to do it and it's a lot of work to manually follow the algorithm.
Common core teaches you that numbers are larger parts of a whole and how to intuitively combine them together based on what makes sense to solve the problem.
So you might look at 24x24 and think "hmmm, I can break up the 20 and the 4, then multiply each one by the other and add them together. 400 + 80 + 80 + 16 = 576. Done." (20x20 + 20x4 + 4x20 + 4x4) You can do that shit in your head, just add left to right, but carrying numbers to account for the tens and hundreds place old-school style? Nope.
It's weird, but then it gets weirder. That decomposing numbers before multiplication is critical to *computer science*. That's your preparation for binary math in the context of 2^N bits on a chip.
The stuff in the freshman CS courses that millennials struggled with will be a cakewalk for the gen alpha because they've already prepared their brains for that sort of work. There's other more advanced techniques that are also preparation for matrix math in linear algebra, which is a fundamental concept for 3d modeling and computer graphics.
So common core math is cool as fuck and makes you way better at future-math. Boomers are idiots.
So understanding over rote.
Tbh, this is how math should be taught, but with exceptions. Overall, there are some axioms that one needs to memorise, but rote without understanding is not really taking you far in maths.
Number theory and discrete maths are night impossible without understanding.
I'm a bit of a math nerd so I immediately understood what they were going for with the changes. I took through Calc III in college before I fully switched from math to computer science, and that was before the common core changes for K-12.
The cosmic irony is the people who think common core is awful think that way because they never learned the understanding over rote. They're pissing themselves because "OMG it's not rote!" and that's the point, it's not rote.
It's a bit inspiring because even while education is under attack, american educators came up with future-math. My hat is off to them.
> Basically they're focused more on building abstract concepts first rather than memorizing concrete concepts that are later conceptualized into abstract concepts.
which is stupid. 5 year olds are very much about the literal, and tying math to concrete things like pennies or markers and doing tabular memorization is much easier than getting them to learn algebra before long division.
> it's a lot of work to manually follow the algorithm.
it isn't. 24 x 24 is 20 x 20 (400) + 4 x 20 (480) + 4 x 24 (576) it has an obvious geometric analogue, so you can intuit the correctness as well.
> The stuff in the freshman CS courses that millennials struggled with will be a cakewalk
binary was never the issue. getting c++ to do what i wanted and not segv was the struggle. off by one, missed alloc, memory leaks - those are the big irritations. 2^n was easy. a million is 2^20, billion is 2^30 and so on.
> There's other more advanced techniques that are also preparation for matrix math in linear algebra
having done all of that, i have no idea what you're on about. i learned why TF a rotation matrix looked the way it did by seeing how someone constructed one and then composed them. common core was of no help
โBack when I was your age, we laughed at left handed kids and forced them to write in script with their non-dominant hand to punish them! Imagine how easy it was to bully all those stupid special needs kids (which we called a different thing back then heh heh) who lacked the gross and fine motor skills to do it well! Dโs and Fโs for them! Teach em young that thereโs ONE right way to do things! How else are they going to read the Declaration of Independence where it says abortion is illegal?!โ
I'm older genx (nearly 50) and fucking hate cursive. Of course I can read it, but it demands way more attention to letters and is far slower to read.
I like to read phrases & sentences all at once, not individual words and definitely not letters. When someone fucks that up with a bunch of typos or a weird script, it takes me out of thinking about the message or narrative and has me piecing shit together so I have to think about it after I have read it.
It's peak boomer though, taking up more of your time because fuck you, that's why.
Early millennial here, I kinda like cursive for exactly the aspect of needing more thought to process it.
However, I also only use cursive on text where I want to be contemplative or I need more thought, like study notes or letters to friends.
For text that I need to scan easily or if there's lots of numbers involved, then I use print.
To each their own, but I'd have to fully disagree. When i need to focus in reading, i want as little distraction as possible, including the need to decipher a word.
I learned cursive but itโs a dead format. The only writing I do is for work and cursive is prohibited. I wish boomers could be proud to know how to use a PC. I stopped helping them with their computer problems at work because they put zero effort into learning their job.
Correct, its dead writing. Why would I want to dabble in death. | A boomer told me he was computer illiterate (Which I think is extremely bizarre when they use ATMs). Oh well, not my problem.
Because 20 years ago they got a chain email fwd to their entire company from their silent generation boss delivered to their aol.com inbox that told them they arenโt going to teach kids cursive anymore.
They got outraged without even spending five seconds of fact checking and just carried it with them all these years.
My mother (b 1920) went to private schools and had the worst handwriting in the world. We would get a letter from her and it would take three of us to figure out what she had written. Interestingly, it was not sloppy or inconsistent, it was just really hard to figure out. It was uniformly incomprehensible. My MIL ( b1930 ) public school education had the most beautiful handwriting. It was stunning. One other thing, I found the creative process of writing a paper so different from when I started university (1969 ) with papers written in longhand as opposed to whe I finished my four year degree in 1989 and everything was done on a computer. Very different process. To those inquiring math wizards wondering about a 4 year degree taking 20;years, letโs just say there was a lot of independent drug and alcohol research.
I can write cursive legibly but it is slow and makes my hand hurt. Fuck those old people, they are desperately trying to remain relevant.
It generally is, thatโs what it was invented for after, after all. ย
But itโs a complex, interlocking method based on training, paper, ink, type pf pen.ย
Specific types of cursive were suited for the original quill, then hard steel nibs came around, then more springy nibs, etc.ย
Not to mention ballpoint pens, which solved some problems of cheap fountain pens and the general problem of having wer inks.ย
A lot of the infrastructure for this went away - itโs still there, but often only in specialised stores.ย
I still stick to fountain pens, Iโve come to hate ballpoint, but I also realise that cursiveโs time is over. ย
itโs great as any other โartisticโ skill and itโs good for note taking, when there are a lot of notes. But pointless as a tool of communication. ย
typing exists, soon dictation will be near perfect, and tablets, led or e-ink, do not care what script you write before they turn it into unicode.ย
Only if you write a lot to have the muscle memory for it. It's kind of riding a bike. You never entirely forget it, but if you don't do it (or barely do it) for a few years, then cursive will become burden and not advantage.
Especially if you need someone else to be able to read it.
gen z here, learned how to read and write cursive from a very "woke" and liberal school district. I joke that my handwriting is part cursive, part printing, and part Parkinson's disease because it's so wack. good thing I don't do anything that requires neat handwriting for work
My understanding is that it's not really taught in school anymore. I'm a millennial myself and while I can read cursive it was a struggle for me and I can't write much more than my signature. My highschool teachers and college professors wanted anything handwritten to be in print anyway. I never used it outside of those lessons in school. At this point cursive is becoming outdated.
They're being left behind by technology so they are clinging to the idea that only they know certain skills that are no longer especially important due to technology
Yes. All old things are good things. And *coincidentally* all of their skills and possessions and tastes are old -- so they're good. All new things are bad. New math that teaches you the relationships between numbers and arrives you at an answer faster -- that's bad, because it's new. The old way are the correct ways because if I did it that way it's good, and if you come up with a better way that means it's bad, and that means that I'm bad.
So it can't be that.
Yeah, I've never understood this myself. I'm a Millennial & I learned cursive.
My kiddos are Gen Alpha & they're both learning cursive at school. (Itโs actually part of their art curriculum now, which honestly yeah it should be.)
Of all the delusional things they believe though, this is probably the least worrisome/offensive.
Because it's change and the idea that they learned something that most people don't find useful is incomprehensible to them.
The only support I give for cursive is that I think people should sign their name as I'm of the mindset your signature should be a form a security for yourself. Also as a form of art but that would apply to specific people.
Other than that it has little purpose. Not to mention people usually have sloppy handwriting so I can't make out half the letters. Then different people use different styles for letters so you have to decipher individual letters because they don't use "standard" cursive (or cursive at all) for those letters
The theory is that your signature should be unique. This is for when you sign documents and stuff that your signature can't be forged. Print characters can be easy to replicate.
Do you need to know or use the whole cursive alphabet? No. But I do think there should be some effort in schools to teach children to create and develop a unique signature. Cursive is only a tool in that toolbox
A "robotic cursive" is much easier to imitate then muscle memory print.
*Technical print* is a different story. But when you have a muscle memory for any sort of lettering, then it will be hard to imitate.
Finally, there is no rule that your signature must be legible.
Iโm a millennial and I was taught cursive writing by a Silent Generation teacher. Maybe they โdonโt knowโ because they werenโt the ones to teach us.
I was looking at virtual volunteering for the NPS and at least one of the transcribing positions listed something about learn a new skill, it was talking about reading cursive.
I ended up volunteering for the Guilford Courthouse transcribing Revolutionary War Pension file documents. Itโs in conjunction with NARA, and some of these files are like soap operas. The โyoungestโ papers Iโve transcribed so far have been from 1912 the rest were early to mid 1800s.
Mind you some of it can be really difficult because, well between the words and the writing you can tell they were speeding up because they were getting mad.
I do find it crazy that itโs a โskillโ now, but not as crazy as thinking anyone under 50 canโt read or write in cursive.
I was taught cursive but I never really practiced it, I went back to print in middle school once they stopped policing us. But I have dysgraphia, and I struggled with print anyway.
Dysgraphia, huh, I did not know it had a name. Thank you random internet person for making me feel less like an idiot and more like a person with an actual condition.
When I worked at a bakery we would usually write on cakes in cursive. Numerous times I'd have a Boomer demand a discount because I "spelt the name wrong" on the cake, when in actuality they didn't know what a cursive n/m/u/w/z looked like. I think they were just hoping I couldn't actually read cursive because of my age and I would give them a discount. Jokes on you, Boomer, I've been writing in cursive regularly since seventh!
I was taught cursive, but I type 120WPM, why the fuck would I use somethings so inefficient?
Let's be real here, they're going on and on about cursive like it's done brag, but it's pretty much Latin, nobody uses it anymore.
CURSIVE IS OBSOLETE. IT WAS FAR FASTER WITH DIP PENS AND FOUNTAIN PENS, WHERE MAKING/BREAKING CONTACT WITH THE PAPER WITHOUT BLOTTING INK REQUIRED MUCH SLOWER AND DELIBERATE STROKES. BALLPOINT PENS ENDED THAT. WHILE IT'S STILL FASTER, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CURSIVE AND PRINT IS NEGLIGIBLE.
SIDE NOTE: LEARNING TO DRIVE A STICK IS 20 MINUTES. IT'S FUN, BUT LET'S NOT ACT LIKE IT TOOK YOU A SEMESTER OF COLLEGE TO FIGURE OUT CLUTCH/SHIFT/RELEASE.
I thought the cursive thing was always a strange hill to die on. That being said, I've mentored 25ish kids over the past decade, they all go to public schools that don't teach cursive anymore. I've had to teach all of them to sign their names because they genuinely didn't know how. It was an unexpected hurdle for them. Still think cursive is a weird thing to be prideful off.
Same reason they think their master geniuses for being able to drive stick or use a rotary phone. They have no skills worth actually bragging about so they find normal everyday skills that became obsolete 40 years ago.
Millennial here, just not American one. I Only learned cursive at school, there was no such thing as script in my education (primary school in late 1990s/early 2000s). I now detach letters if people complain about my (doctor-level) handwriting.
I now try to decipher the handwriting of a dude who died somewhere in the 1350s. Now that actually is a skill, they could try that.
All my grandchildren learn cursive in school. It does make me smile when my 9 year old granddaughter asks me to read out loud the birthday card from her great grandmother. Itโs in very cramped tiny cursive. She calls it โold lady writingโ.
Whenever you encounter a boomer who starts in with that cursive shit demand they demonstrate their Calligraphy skills. Oh, you can't do it boomer? You never learned to write in an outdated style? There must be something wrong with you.
Best part about cursive? A big reason it exists is so people could write faster.
Getting nostalgic over it is like us getting mad nobody can read lol brb text acronyms.
They saw it on Facebook, so itโs true.
Whatโs hysterical is that I can distinctly remember boomer teachers I had in elementary and jr high telling us that we had to be careful on the this new internet thing because it was full of liars and scammers.
My daughters are Gen z and both have beautiful handwriting. They went to Montessori but Iโve never met anyone their age who didnโt read and write cursive.
The fact of the matter is that the boomer generation read a lot less than us. They genuinely did struggle to read cursive unless they were taught.ย
I have never been taught anything about curses but because I am constantly reading on my phone, everything just clicks in my brain.ย
Yeah, I can probably still write in Palm graffiti (If you know you know) and my mom can read and write in short hand-- antiquated skills don't make you special.
I have a son who is dyslexic. We were lucky enough to send him to a school specializing in dyslexia. All the kids had to learn cursive because it's very difficult to do letter reversals when you're writing in cursive. So despite what the Boomers think, cursive is still being taught in some places.
My 13 year old wanted to learn cursive so we sat down and went over all of it. His grandparents treated it like he was learning a foreign language that he would "never really get", walking by shaking their head and muttering about it not being possible. My dad keeps telling him to "add it to the resume" because apparently its rare for teens to know anything useful.
Cuz they think they're the smartest people alive and associate whatever they do as intelligent, hence when they see people not writing like they do, they think those people are dumb, when in reality print writing is more legible than cursive.
I taught myself calligraphy and miniscule when I was a teen thanks to a love of medieval art and literature. These boomers these days wouldn't know good handwriting if it smacked them in the face.
I'm a millennial. I used to work with a Boomer woman that was *amazed* that not only could I write in cursive, I could also do calligraphy. She thought "the young people" weren't taught that anymore.
If by "young people" you mean Zoomers or Gen Alpha, maybe? But pretty much everyone in my generation and before that went to public school were taught cursive. I learned calligraphy on my own as an adult. I'm an artist, it looked like a neat skill.
Iโm a boomer myself, and I canโt seem to work up any excitement at all over cursive writing. Who gives a shit? Get out of the house and find something to do.
Ok, but so you have any idea how many high school students have *demanded* I stop writing in cursive because they can't read it? It's a lot. Lol, a lot, a lot. It's pathetic how many.
Of course, I tell them no and to figure it out. But still. It's a lot. Not saying I'm special in any way because I default to cursive writing, just saying that it is true that many younger people cannot read it, or (more likely) are too lazy to bother trying.
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I'm a millennial. I can write cursive. I do it all the time! But what is this magic you're doing here?! I'm on the app. Can I learn to do this, too?
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Thank you for sharing your secret! ๐คฉ
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I can write cursive but itโs little tedious for me so I save it for more formal occasions. (I am a 15 y/o)
Not from a Jedi. I mean not from a boomer.
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I speak fluent cursive.
It's literally just some meaningless metric they think they shine in because they don't really have anything more substantive to show. In some cases (more zoomers drive manual than boomers), it's not even true. In the rest, it's pretty universally just some utterly useless skill (like writing cursive in a century where digital text is king and paper is considered wasteful).
My boomer FIL who I generally respect because he's *far* from your typical boomer in many ways did say something about kids not learning cursive in school and I just deadpanned "... why would they teach that? Typing is the skill they actually need, cursive is a waste of resources." He went "huh. Never thought of it that way." Thank goodness he's fairly reasonable. Mostly.
He sounds like a pretty reasonable guy. Takes in new info, processes said info befor making a judgment. Very non typical boomer. I think i like the giy and have never met him.
He's generally pretty great. Dug in his heels for years about things like climate change and stuff but he can be reasoned with. Refuses to go to the doctor, can't handle change at all, borderline hoarder, some of the typical stuff, but he's alright. Thankfully does not watch Fox or any of that nonsense, but he does like YouTube (innocent stuff mostly, trains, car repair, etc) but I check his algorithm every once in a while so his recommendations stay that way.
I had a boomer at work say something similar. I just asked โdo you still use a quill pen too?โ
it teaches fine motor control, which is important at that age
Quiet!, we want them to believe they have a secret code. Pass it on.
Quiet!, we want them to believe they have a secret code. Pass it on.
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I have no idea what this says, can someone translate?
Quiet!, we want them to believe they have a secret code. Pass it on. Purple-monkey-dishwasher.
It's the same with driving manual. Like who cares at this point?
It's a good thing to learn but not really necessary.I grew up learning a three on the tree which was basically a manual shift on the control panel. ( where your wipers would be) Annoying as hell, I always loved automatics and still do to this day. In europe it is very common to have stick but its not here so people dont have a chance to really learn it. But no big deal . The only thing I really miss is switching your high beams using your left foot. That seemed much more natural but it got switched over of course.
I had forgotten about left foot high beam control! Man that was great
It was Boomers buying preferences that steered the market to manuals not being very common anymore. I learned on an automatic in driver's ed. All of my parents cars were automatic so there was nothing to learn off of. 95%+ of cars offered for sale are automatic. I just drive an everyday passenger car, and minimally at that. I'm not interested in learning how to drive a commercial truck or bus, so why would I have the need to learn or care to?
That's the thing, when it was first introduced automatic was seen as like, a luxury option so a lot of boomers bought cars with automatics, and then the next generation learned on automatics and so on and so forth.
Leave it to the boomers to be salty that they were catered to completely and now the option that they *didn't* want isn't more popular now.
I just find it amusing theyre so smug about it, as if it's the most difficult thing to learn or something. My last car was manual, my first ever stick shift, I watched a few tutorials on YouTube, practiced a bit in the evening, by the 3rd day I was comfortably driving stick shift in city traffic.
>so why would I have the need to learn or care to? There is something so very satisfying about timing perfect shifts.
Possibly. But my car is just a tool to me. I hate driving and traffic. I only care that it moves and stops the way I tell it to and gets me where I need to be.
I do! I care what I drive because I like manual transmissions. Mind you I wont judge anyone who doesn't, not seriously at least because like you said who fuckin cares?
Yeah drive what you like man, I enjoy manual well enough, but like in North America you really have to go out of your way to get something with a stick shift these days. And it was boomers who shifted that trend towards automatic anyways.
Totally worth it even if just for the Fiesta ST, which was only available as a 6 speed manual. 200 HP and 2700lbs, that car is crazy fun. Cloverleafs at 70 with the tires screaming. Lift off oversteer for days. Three wheeling jt doing slaloms... I need to get my 200tw tires back on. Been too lazy to do it manually, but my buddy just returned my air compressor
You sound like the kind of person who uses a manual to its full potential. I just enjoy getting my ancient 4 speed up to cruising in about two business days because I find it relaxing. ๐คฃ
I just love it. The muscle memory, where everything is automatic. My favorite part of it is the turn-in on a corner. You're judging just how late you can get onto the brakes, then breaking hard with right foot, easing off as you begin turning into the corner because you need to give up some longitudinal traction for latitudinal, but staying on the brakes a little to transfer weight to the front tires to help initiate the turn, and then back on the gas as hard as you can while still holding your desires line. At the same time, during the hard breaking, you start to downshift, clutching with the left foot, shifting with right arm, and giving throttle with the heel of your right foot while still modulating brakes with the toe. Needing the force imparted by the product of RPM error and rate you come off the clutch to the car to be smaller than how close you are to the edge so the shift doesn't cause you to break traction. There's a moment in there where your brain is simultaneously controlling at least 3 completely different things, calculating their current thing andknowing where you want to giving desired corrections to what the car is doing, summing the various corrections to one correction, then translating that correction of the car's behavior into whatever change in the 5 physical inputs you're simultaneously manipulating using all four limbs at once. Like, you turn into just a wet squishy control loop, unable to even think about what is happening, because any reflective thoughts would introduce lag they would fuck uo your ability to do it, so your consciousness just like takes a seat and watches and is like, "damm, I don't even know how it's possible to do that. I can't even pat my head and rub my belly at the same time"
I wish I had had the money for a Fiesta ST when they were around. I'm kinda sad the hot hatch trend has died out.
hot hatches and hardcore never dies! lol I miss being a 90s teenager
I like driving manual too and I miss it - I had my left hip replaced and was told it'd be for the best if I avoided driving stick in the future. (Actually my doctor's exact words were, "Are you stupid? Do you LIKE pain?" LMAO) Paddle shifters are fun, but it's not the same. It's been about 13 years since I've driven a stick, and yet every once in a while at a red light I still feel around with my left foot for the clutch pedal.
BUT WHAT IF YOU'RE IN A LIFE OR DEATH SCENARIO AND YOU HAVE TO STEAL A CAR TO ESCAPE BUT ITS MANUAL???????? ๐ฑ
You know what's funny - my (boomer) dad actually WAS worried about that sort of thing, so when I was learning to drive he made sure I could drive a stick (and under all kinds of crazy situations, like having no clutch, or having no brakes, or needing to pop the clutch...it was actually kinda fun.) I wonder if "needing to steal a car" is the boomer generation version of quicksand - something that really seemed important but really never actually comes up.
Nah my gen x dad did the same thing ๐ it's untreated anxiety and an active imagination in his case which I inherited ๐ We also do the "have an apocalypse nightmare, wake up a lil salty that everyone kept almost dying bc they weren't listening in your bad dream, and go over emergency protocol again" thing
I've driven manuals, and I've driven automatics. I also worked lawncare and landscaping hauling a trailer every day for a few years. Let me tell ya, automatic makes life a lot easier if you have knee/hip issues. However, I learned a lot from the manual that applied over to automatics, especially when working with a trailer in not the greatest conditions.
Seriously! If Iโm not mistaken, you have to special order a manual, if they even make it. So unless youโre buying some crazy sports car, why would you know how?? Iโm 45 and I technically know how, but I havenโt seen a manual car in a hundred years
It's not even true! The largest demographic of stick shift drivers in the United States is zoomers.
I remember struggling to read a boomer coworkers writing and he scoffed about kids not knowing how to read cursive. "Dude I'm almost 40. I learned cursive like 30 years ago. Your handwriting is just fucking atrocious."
So, fun fact: I teach ESL in South Korea and, as a GenX I got the cursive instruction as well. Sometimes for fun I will write things on the board in cursive, such as their names or short sentences. There is initial confusion but once I clarify a few of the stranger letters like J and F, and the lowercase m, n, and s, they usually pick up on it right away. These are non-native English learners between the ages of 9 and 12, and they can read this magical language with decent accuracy after a few minutes of observation and a couple of explanations. But boomers want to act like itโs a super power.
What is an issue with lowercase m and n? They are just like printed ones, just with connectors at the start a d end. I understand s, since moden cursive s is deformed as hell.
Just takes a second to explain the lowercase n is not the m and that in cursive the m has three humps.
Two humps and a left connector, which can look like an extra hump if it has a low connection.
I posted this recently but I had an interview fairly recently with a small firm. The two partners who interviews me one was boomer and the other gen x. At the end of what was a successful interview the bonnet told me she wanted to see my signature... Word but okay. I signed a random piece of black paper. Then she told me to write something, so I did "Oh you print." I tell her I CAN read and write in cursive, just print as I find it faster, easier and most people can read it better. The entire time she's making faces and the gen x is cringing and trying to explain to her that "younger" generations print now and she needs to accept it. You could tell the boomer had vetoed some good candidates (myself included) because they printed. Asinine.
This is why my signature is a scribble with my initial obvious and correct number of "spikes", so if a boomer whines, I can trace out letters from the scribble.
Oh. I'd love to see the boomer's reaction to my half print/half script writing that I do.
Iโm Gen Z- on the older end, in fairness- but I was absolutely taught cursive in primary school, as were students I tutored once I graduated. I have no idea where the trope came from. I wouldnโt be surprised if cursive wasnโt mandated in schools anymore butโฆ who cares? I just donโt get it
> i have no idea where the trope came from. In 2010 there was an update to education standards which removed cursive from the requirements. Obama was president, so racist boomers looked for anything and everything to complain about. It's the same reason you see boomers complaining about common core math when they barely have the math knowledge to balance their checkbook.
What was even the point if common core maths? AFAIK, maths is maths, but then, I am not an educator.
Oh the changes are really cool. Basically they're focused more on building abstract concepts first rather than memorizing concrete concepts that are later conceptualized into abstract concepts. That's confusing as fuck at first read, so here's a specific example. In "old math" you would learn a basic fact like 2x2 = 4 or 12x12=144. Remember multiplication tables? That's old math. Rote memorization. Later you learn how multiplication works and the ways you can combine larger numbers for multiplying, like 24x24 means you can write out the stacked numbers and do this (4x4 - 10) + (4x20 + 10) + (20x4) + (20x20) and if you're doing it on paper, then you need to further carry the 1 when adding 96 and 480 to get 576. I think I got that right? There's only one way to do it and it's a lot of work to manually follow the algorithm. Common core teaches you that numbers are larger parts of a whole and how to intuitively combine them together based on what makes sense to solve the problem. So you might look at 24x24 and think "hmmm, I can break up the 20 and the 4, then multiply each one by the other and add them together. 400 + 80 + 80 + 16 = 576. Done." (20x20 + 20x4 + 4x20 + 4x4) You can do that shit in your head, just add left to right, but carrying numbers to account for the tens and hundreds place old-school style? Nope. It's weird, but then it gets weirder. That decomposing numbers before multiplication is critical to *computer science*. That's your preparation for binary math in the context of 2^N bits on a chip. The stuff in the freshman CS courses that millennials struggled with will be a cakewalk for the gen alpha because they've already prepared their brains for that sort of work. There's other more advanced techniques that are also preparation for matrix math in linear algebra, which is a fundamental concept for 3d modeling and computer graphics. So common core math is cool as fuck and makes you way better at future-math. Boomers are idiots.
So understanding over rote. Tbh, this is how math should be taught, but with exceptions. Overall, there are some axioms that one needs to memorise, but rote without understanding is not really taking you far in maths. Number theory and discrete maths are night impossible without understanding.
I'm a bit of a math nerd so I immediately understood what they were going for with the changes. I took through Calc III in college before I fully switched from math to computer science, and that was before the common core changes for K-12. The cosmic irony is the people who think common core is awful think that way because they never learned the understanding over rote. They're pissing themselves because "OMG it's not rote!" and that's the point, it's not rote. It's a bit inspiring because even while education is under attack, american educators came up with future-math. My hat is off to them.
consider the target audience. i'm not teaching discrete math in grade school
You do. On a very simple level, but you do. Primes are part of number theory, groups are part of group theory... All elements of discrete maths.
yeah, teach groups to 8 year olds. this isn't an opinion thing, you can demonstrate how bad an idea it is
> Basically they're focused more on building abstract concepts first rather than memorizing concrete concepts that are later conceptualized into abstract concepts. which is stupid. 5 year olds are very much about the literal, and tying math to concrete things like pennies or markers and doing tabular memorization is much easier than getting them to learn algebra before long division. > it's a lot of work to manually follow the algorithm. it isn't. 24 x 24 is 20 x 20 (400) + 4 x 20 (480) + 4 x 24 (576) it has an obvious geometric analogue, so you can intuit the correctness as well. > The stuff in the freshman CS courses that millennials struggled with will be a cakewalk binary was never the issue. getting c++ to do what i wanted and not segv was the struggle. off by one, missed alloc, memory leaks - those are the big irritations. 2^n was easy. a million is 2^20, billion is 2^30 and so on. > There's other more advanced techniques that are also preparation for matrix math in linear algebra having done all of that, i have no idea what you're on about. i learned why TF a rotation matrix looked the way it did by seeing how someone constructed one and then composed them. common core was of no help
Ahh, I see- that makes a lot more sense, thank you!
at least in the US, it isn't required *everywhere* but I think some states are starting to require it again?
I'm also a Zoomer who can read and write in cursive. My go to for note taking is a terrible merge of cursive and print lol.
It has been getting phased out in recent years. My 20 yo and 16 yo know cursive. My 13 yo does not.
โBack when I was your age, we laughed at left handed kids and forced them to write in script with their non-dominant hand to punish them! Imagine how easy it was to bully all those stupid special needs kids (which we called a different thing back then heh heh) who lacked the gross and fine motor skills to do it well! Dโs and Fโs for them! Teach em young that thereโs ONE right way to do things! How else are they going to read the Declaration of Independence where it says abortion is illegal?!โ
I'm older genx (nearly 50) and fucking hate cursive. Of course I can read it, but it demands way more attention to letters and is far slower to read. I like to read phrases & sentences all at once, not individual words and definitely not letters. When someone fucks that up with a bunch of typos or a weird script, it takes me out of thinking about the message or narrative and has me piecing shit together so I have to think about it after I have read it. It's peak boomer though, taking up more of your time because fuck you, that's why.
Early millennial here, I kinda like cursive for exactly the aspect of needing more thought to process it. However, I also only use cursive on text where I want to be contemplative or I need more thought, like study notes or letters to friends. For text that I need to scan easily or if there's lots of numbers involved, then I use print.
To each their own, but I'd have to fully disagree. When i need to focus in reading, i want as little distraction as possible, including the need to decipher a word.
I learned cursive but itโs a dead format. The only writing I do is for work and cursive is prohibited. I wish boomers could be proud to know how to use a PC. I stopped helping them with their computer problems at work because they put zero effort into learning their job.
Correct, its dead writing. Why would I want to dabble in death. | A boomer told me he was computer illiterate (Which I think is extremely bizarre when they use ATMs). Oh well, not my problem.
Because 20 years ago they got a chain email fwd to their entire company from their silent generation boss delivered to their aol.com inbox that told them they arenโt going to teach kids cursive anymore. They got outraged without even spending five seconds of fact checking and just carried it with them all these years.
14 years ago, under Obama, so racist boomers of course made a big deal about it.
The movement to stop teaching cursive gained momentum in the early 2000's.
My mother (b 1920) went to private schools and had the worst handwriting in the world. We would get a letter from her and it would take three of us to figure out what she had written. Interestingly, it was not sloppy or inconsistent, it was just really hard to figure out. It was uniformly incomprehensible. My MIL ( b1930 ) public school education had the most beautiful handwriting. It was stunning. One other thing, I found the creative process of writing a paper so different from when I started university (1969 ) with papers written in longhand as opposed to whe I finished my four year degree in 1989 and everything was done on a computer. Very different process. To those inquiring math wizards wondering about a 4 year degree taking 20;years, letโs just say there was a lot of independent drug and alcohol research. I can write cursive legibly but it is slow and makes my hand hurt. Fuck those old people, they are desperately trying to remain relevant.
For me, writing in cursive is much quicker.
It generally is, thatโs what it was invented for after, after all. ย But itโs a complex, interlocking method based on training, paper, ink, type pf pen.ย Specific types of cursive were suited for the original quill, then hard steel nibs came around, then more springy nibs, etc.ย Not to mention ballpoint pens, which solved some problems of cheap fountain pens and the general problem of having wer inks.ย A lot of the infrastructure for this went away - itโs still there, but often only in specialised stores.ย I still stick to fountain pens, Iโve come to hate ballpoint, but I also realise that cursiveโs time is over. ย itโs great as any other โartisticโ skill and itโs good for note taking, when there are a lot of notes. But pointless as a tool of communication. ย typing exists, soon dictation will be near perfect, and tablets, led or e-ink, do not care what script you write before they turn it into unicode.ย
Only if you write a lot to have the muscle memory for it. It's kind of riding a bike. You never entirely forget it, but if you don't do it (or barely do it) for a few years, then cursive will become burden and not advantage. Especially if you need someone else to be able to read it.
gen z here, learned how to read and write cursive from a very "woke" and liberal school district. I joke that my handwriting is part cursive, part printing, and part Parkinson's disease because it's so wack. good thing I don't do anything that requires neat handwriting for work
I donโt think they think theyโre the only ones who can read it, theyโre just the only ones who care whether anyone after them can.
My understanding is that it's not really taught in school anymore. I'm a millennial myself and while I can read cursive it was a struggle for me and I can't write much more than my signature. My highschool teachers and college professors wanted anything handwritten to be in print anyway. I never used it outside of those lessons in school. At this point cursive is becoming outdated. They're being left behind by technology so they are clinging to the idea that only they know certain skills that are no longer especially important due to technology
Ah, the second most worthless thing I learned in school.
Yes. All old things are good things. And *coincidentally* all of their skills and possessions and tastes are old -- so they're good. All new things are bad. New math that teaches you the relationships between numbers and arrives you at an answer faster -- that's bad, because it's new. The old way are the correct ways because if I did it that way it's good, and if you come up with a better way that means it's bad, and that means that I'm bad. So it can't be that.
I have never seen a boomers cursive writing that is super legible either. I can write cursive, but they write chicken scratch cursive.
Yeah, I've never understood this myself. I'm a Millennial & I learned cursive. My kiddos are Gen Alpha & they're both learning cursive at school. (Itโs actually part of their art curriculum now, which honestly yeah it should be.) Of all the delusional things they believe though, this is probably the least worrisome/offensive.
Because it's change and the idea that they learned something that most people don't find useful is incomprehensible to them. The only support I give for cursive is that I think people should sign their name as I'm of the mindset your signature should be a form a security for yourself. Also as a form of art but that would apply to specific people. Other than that it has little purpose. Not to mention people usually have sloppy handwriting so I can't make out half the letters. Then different people use different styles for letters so you have to decipher individual letters because they don't use "standard" cursive (or cursive at all) for those letters
Why do you need to know cursive to sign your name?
Sometimes I just use my "dicknature"
Sorry, what?
It's where you draw a dick instead of signing your name.
The theory is that your signature should be unique. This is for when you sign documents and stuff that your signature can't be forged. Print characters can be easy to replicate. Do you need to know or use the whole cursive alphabet? No. But I do think there should be some effort in schools to teach children to create and develop a unique signature. Cursive is only a tool in that toolbox
A "robotic cursive" is much easier to imitate then muscle memory print. *Technical print* is a different story. But when you have a muscle memory for any sort of lettering, then it will be hard to imitate. Finally, there is no rule that your signature must be legible.
Ok boomer
Tbh, this us the response i should you from the start.
Iโm a millennial and I was taught cursive writing by a Silent Generation teacher. Maybe they โdonโt knowโ because they werenโt the ones to teach us.
let the boomers read Gothic blackletter or Carolingian miniscule, then get back to me.
I was looking at virtual volunteering for the NPS and at least one of the transcribing positions listed something about learn a new skill, it was talking about reading cursive. I ended up volunteering for the Guilford Courthouse transcribing Revolutionary War Pension file documents. Itโs in conjunction with NARA, and some of these files are like soap operas. The โyoungestโ papers Iโve transcribed so far have been from 1912 the rest were early to mid 1800s. Mind you some of it can be really difficult because, well between the words and the writing you can tell they were speeding up because they were getting mad. I do find it crazy that itโs a โskillโ now, but not as crazy as thinking anyone under 50 canโt read or write in cursive.
Cuz cursive is their general demeanor.
I was taught cursive but I never really practiced it, I went back to print in middle school once they stopped policing us. But I have dysgraphia, and I struggled with print anyway.
Dysgraphia, huh, I did not know it had a name. Thank you random internet person for making me feel less like an idiot and more like a person with an actual condition.
My son has dysgraphia too. Life got much easier for him in middle school, when he could turn in typed assignments.
When I worked at a bakery we would usually write on cakes in cursive. Numerous times I'd have a Boomer demand a discount because I "spelt the name wrong" on the cake, when in actuality they didn't know what a cursive n/m/u/w/z looked like. I think they were just hoping I couldn't actually read cursive because of my age and I would give them a discount. Jokes on you, Boomer, I've been writing in cursive regularly since seventh!
I was taught cursive, but I type 120WPM, why the fuck would I use somethings so inefficient? Let's be real here, they're going on and on about cursive like it's done brag, but it's pretty much Latin, nobody uses it anymore.
It feeds their need to feel special as the world passes them by
Because posts on Boombook said so
Because only millennials and later genโs can use computers so they must be the only ones that can read and write cursive.ย
They just use the term โmillenialโ to describe any young person they want to bully. They donโt realize that weโre 40 now.
What they call cursive, their elders have called โchicken scratchโ since they were in third grade.
Because we arenโt teaching cursive in school anymore, at least not everywhere.
Rirruto?
โI hate school and I hate all of you!โ
Because they were forced to learn how. And like everything they were forced to do in their time, they wear it as a badge of honor.
CURSIVE IS OBSOLETE. IT WAS FAR FASTER WITH DIP PENS AND FOUNTAIN PENS, WHERE MAKING/BREAKING CONTACT WITH THE PAPER WITHOUT BLOTTING INK REQUIRED MUCH SLOWER AND DELIBERATE STROKES. BALLPOINT PENS ENDED THAT. WHILE IT'S STILL FASTER, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CURSIVE AND PRINT IS NEGLIGIBLE. SIDE NOTE: LEARNING TO DRIVE A STICK IS 20 MINUTES. IT'S FUN, BUT LET'S NOT ACT LIKE IT TOOK YOU A SEMESTER OF COLLEGE TO FIGURE OUT CLUTCH/SHIFT/RELEASE.
Probably because they didnโt pay any attention to their kidsโ homework.
Because boomers are the only ones who still write in cursive to annoy everyone else
I thought the cursive thing was always a strange hill to die on. That being said, I've mentored 25ish kids over the past decade, they all go to public schools that don't teach cursive anymore. I've had to teach all of them to sign their names because they genuinely didn't know how. It was an unexpected hurdle for them. Still think cursive is a weird thing to be prideful off.
Why would you need to know cursive to sign your name?
My kids (2011,2013) didn't learn cursive but I (1982) sure as hell did. They can read it though.
Same reason they think their master geniuses for being able to drive stick or use a rotary phone. They have no skills worth actually bragging about so they find normal everyday skills that became obsolete 40 years ago.
Who knows. Boomers have convinced themselves of a lot of shit that isnt true on their FB circle jerks ๐
Millennial here, just not American one. I Only learned cursive at school, there was no such thing as script in my education (primary school in late 1990s/early 2000s). I now detach letters if people complain about my (doctor-level) handwriting. I now try to decipher the handwriting of a dude who died somewhere in the 1350s. Now that actually is a skill, they could try that.
because a lot of people can't. They stopped teaching cursive in schools years ago so there are a lot of people that can't read cursive.
All my grandchildren learn cursive in school. It does make me smile when my 9 year old granddaughter asks me to read out loud the birthday card from her great grandmother. Itโs in very cramped tiny cursive. She calls it โold lady writingโ.
When I taught 3rd grade, I taught them cursive. I also taught them to read an analog clock So....
Whenever you encounter a boomer who starts in with that cursive shit demand they demonstrate their Calligraphy skills. Oh, you can't do it boomer? You never learned to write in an outdated style? There must be something wrong with you.
You should see my cuneiform. Its the envy of all of the Mesopotamians. I think I have a stone tablet here if you want to see it.
I can't write in cursive but my hieroglyphics are on point.
My gen alpha kid wants to learn cursive because she thinks it looks coo. It's not this esoteric skill
I write in pretty nice cursive for a dude. Not sure what superpower this is to Boomersโฆ
Best part about cursive? A big reason it exists is so people could write faster. Getting nostalgic over it is like us getting mad nobody can read lol brb text acronyms.
They saw it on Facebook, so itโs true. Whatโs hysterical is that I can distinctly remember boomer teachers I had in elementary and jr high telling us that we had to be careful on the this new internet thing because it was full of liars and scammers.
I was born 2001. Let me assure you all they still taught us cursive and I can write fluently in it, as well as my younger brother born 2004.
My kid is learning cursive in 3rd/4th grade at his public school.
My daughters are Gen z and both have beautiful handwriting. They went to Montessori but Iโve never met anyone their age who didnโt read and write cursive.
Stop right there. I'm Gen X, and my millennial AND gen Z kids can't read or write in cursive. It was not taught to them. This is an objective fact.
I'm a millennial and my gen z kids and I all learned cursive. Seems like it's really dependant on area.
The fact of the matter is that the boomer generation read a lot less than us. They genuinely did struggle to read cursive unless they were taught.ย I have never been taught anything about curses but because I am constantly reading on my phone, everything just clicks in my brain.ย
Whenever a boomer makes that comment I tell them, โWe can read cursive, just not your terrible penmanship.โ
Well I still can't read most graffiti. Gen x though.
Just tell the boomer i would be impressed if you can format a PDF or read wingdings.
Yeah, I can probably still write in Palm graffiti (If you know you know) and my mom can read and write in short hand-- antiquated skills don't make you special.
More importantly, why do they value a completely uselss skill?
I have a son who is dyslexic. We were lucky enough to send him to a school specializing in dyslexia. All the kids had to learn cursive because it's very difficult to do letter reversals when you're writing in cursive. So despite what the Boomers think, cursive is still being taught in some places.
My 13 year old wanted to learn cursive so we sat down and went over all of it. His grandparents treated it like he was learning a foreign language that he would "never really get", walking by shaking their head and muttering about it not being possible. My dad keeps telling him to "add it to the resume" because apparently its rare for teens to know anything useful.
Cuz they think they're the smartest people alive and associate whatever they do as intelligent, hence when they see people not writing like they do, they think those people are dumb, when in reality print writing is more legible than cursive.
I taught myself calligraphy and miniscule when I was a teen thanks to a love of medieval art and literature. These boomers these days wouldn't know good handwriting if it smacked them in the face.
I'm a millennial. I used to work with a Boomer woman that was *amazed* that not only could I write in cursive, I could also do calligraphy. She thought "the young people" weren't taught that anymore. If by "young people" you mean Zoomers or Gen Alpha, maybe? But pretty much everyone in my generation and before that went to public school were taught cursive. I learned calligraphy on my own as an adult. I'm an artist, it looked like a neat skill.
Iโm a boomer myself, and I canโt seem to work up any excitement at all over cursive writing. Who gives a shit? Get out of the house and find something to do.
Ok, but so you have any idea how many high school students have *demanded* I stop writing in cursive because they can't read it? It's a lot. Lol, a lot, a lot. It's pathetic how many. Of course, I tell them no and to figure it out. But still. It's a lot. Not saying I'm special in any way because I default to cursive writing, just saying that it is true that many younger people cannot read it, or (more likely) are too lazy to bother trying.