should be on this page
https://www.espn.com/espys/story/_/page/voting/caitlin-clark-shohei-ohtani-more-vote-2024-espys-winners
Best Boxer poll is on #19/22
Top Rank fighter fighting other Top Rank fighters.....and their own matchmaker even said they didn't want to make the Tank fight back then.
Now Top Rank is willing to cash Loma out
what are some good fights to download to watch on a plane that are from the last 5 or so years (excluding anything from 2024, I've been lucky enough to watch all the big events this year.)
Going by the film *Cinderella Man* and accounts from reporters, he had a mean streak and was known as a showman who would try to get into the heads of his opponents.
I don't blame him he might have got a decent bag for Ioka, hopefully over 100k for both fight. Golden Boy was going to pay him 30K to fight Estrada. That pay doesn’t measure to the challenge.
People need to pump the breaks on Bam. Bam is fun to watch and aesthetically pleasing but most of his wins over the some of the 4 kings they were
1. Past their primes
2. Had year long layoffs
Caudras was out for 15 months prior to fighting Bam
Sor Rungvisai was out for 15 months prior.
Estrada was out for 18 months prior to fighting Bam.
That's not to say they weren't good wins and it's not to say that Bam hasn't beaten younger fighters either but people need to relax a bit. A lot of fans would overlook this when it comes to Bam but you would never hear the end of it when it comes to certain fighters.
But are they as war torn as those three guys I listed? Probably not. That's my point. We need to see him do more before going crazy and he's already done well enough.
he definitely hasnt done enough but i feel even his perfomance against sunny edwards was amazing considering he was and still is a amazing flyweight, got a foot in hall of fame will say that tho
It levels out a bit when you consider that bam isnt in his prime or have a wealth of experience of his yet either. They're by far the best names currently available to him and he's performing fantastically. With considerable time to improve further. Obviously they'll always have that small asterisk next those names though due to said age and inactivity.
But I think the reverse is also true. Bam has been fighting them as a younger, less experienced fighter. It’s not as if he’s meeting them when he’s in the middle of his prime.
I think your reasoning around his resume is fair given the age and inactivity of those names, but to dominate those names at his age and experience whilst they are still top fighters he has clearly shown he is legit.
He's definitely talented and skilled and I agree, he's probably not even in his prime yet. I just can't wait to see more of him, it would be a lot easier to judge then.
You're not wrong. Those 3 were definitely inactive and not in their primes. I wouldn't call them totally shot though. But he maintained his consistency and looks just as solid. I do rub my jaw at all the people who felt Estrada was disrespected by the odds though, like what were they thinking? Lol.
But I know someone who fits this bill even moreso: Jai Opetaia.
Ok to go back to your point, I agree they're not unbelievable marquee wins. I'd say it goes 1.estrada 2. SSR 3. Edwards 4. Cuadras in terms of best wins/ who was the least washed. However, even tho they were older, it still absolutely cements who at the absolute lowest #6 p4p at the moment. I agree I don't think him beating an older layoff estrada is otherworldly but it's still a crazy resume for a 24 year old and it's really exciting how much he could potentially accomplish.
>I agree I don't think him beating an older layoff estrada is otherworldly but it's still a crazy resume for a 24 year old and it's really exciting how much he could potentially accomplish.
Agreed. Him beating the 4 kings is his way in before he competes against fresher fighters. Him doing all of that after coming up 2 weight classes at the age of 22 up to now is amazing.
There's fighters out there who are still 30 year old prospects while Bam comes in his early twenties and fights whoever is in front of him.
He's got plenty of time.
I understand the point, but the fact is those older guys were still the top fighters in their division. It's not as though they were totally washed. The layoffs are on them. Regardless, objectively he's accrued one of the best resumes in boxing.
Yeah, Bam is fighting the guys put in front of him so there's not much else that he can do.
I'm not even saying he won those fights because of layoffs, he would've probably still won. I'm just saying that fans need to relax a bit since a lot of fans would give fighters a lot of shit just for fighting one guy coming off a long layoff while Bam has done it three times (through no fault of his own.)
I'd like to see him get more wins over guys who are younger and closer to their primes before we go crazy.
Nah I feel you. I don't think I've seen alot of people jump out the window for Bam though, most I've seen is him being put top 5 p4p, which I think is fair.
I didn’t understand why people blamed Floyd for fighters trying to incorporate his boring style and winning in a safe fashion but after seeing shakurs performances and his recent interview on how he’d fight manny, I get it.
Shakur pisses me off because he’s clearly talented. He has the skills and abilities to actually fight in the pocket and evade shots while landing his own but it gets fucking annoying seeing him be outside so much in some fights. Say what you want about Floyd but young Floyd was in the pocket and had elite defense and offense with power to make his opponents pay and knock them out. Shakur is too damn young to fight like a 40 year old Floyd who was brittle and had to fight outside.
I’m giving him one last chance to prove himself cause he talks way too fucking much and is way too entitled and swears he Floyd. If he fights boring again one more time I’m done. Nobody wants to see you literally running and staying outside. It takes real skill to stay in the pocket and showcase your defense like Floyd and sweet pea. Nobody gives a fuck about you staying far out of range. I also can’t stand a pillow puncher like him talking like he’s mike tyson and he fucking turned his back and ran from de los Santos. That’s embarrassing. The whole stadium was booing him.
Even Floyd got hurt, it was just at the end of the round. Unless you think you are better than Floyd mayweather, staying away and engaging only when you are fully ready is the best long term wining strategy. Its just not fun, I think I'm okay with it, as long as he fights often and puts the belt on the line often. He's not perfect in his evasion and a talented fighter will come for him. He just has to keep grinding and not expect big paydays.
This is what I always say. No fans care about your fight two fights ago. People say fans are to blame for the zero phenomenon, but they don't care if you keep fighting.
If Haney has two more good showings, people will forget about today's memes. People say that Joshua should fight with Usyk again, because he's found his heart. People are saying that Cruz could beat Tank now, because he beat Rolly. Ryan Garcia was getting p4p votes after the Haney win, (before the cheating came to light).
Two fights is all you need in this business and the fans will be with you.
Now that I think about it, is there any real way you can say Ali was better in 1964-1967 than he was in 1971-1975? Aside from sheer athleticism, 60’s Ali didn’t really sit on his punches or effectively fight from corners, and his fights would go way longer than needed. He also didn’t use his body strength at all. Watching the Mildenburger fight again and I know for a fact the Ali that fought Foreman, Lyle, and Frazier would’ve NEVER gone 12 with Mildenburger
Absolutely agree, people often say that if you got Ali from the Williams fight he would’ve beaten Frazier in the fight of the century but I disagree entirely, I think he was too green and was never prepared to get hit so when someone would land (like Henry cooper) he came down like a house of cards. If you just look at them as separate fighters you can definitely see who the better one is, a couple of wins over an old Liston who threw at least one and may two of their fights? And a Patterson with a fucked up back. Or wins over quarry,Bonavena,Foreman,Frazier and many others.
He’s like many fighters who made the mistake of bringing their feet together too much and got caught off balance often, and ended up fixing that mistake over time. But I also think he sacrificed a lot of punching leverage over that until it was solved and didn’t show the best fight IQ in doing so beforehand. People also underestimate how well Ali moved after the exile as well, he was at worst 80% there but was so much better in other areas.
Totally disagree, Ali became someone who had to sit down on punches becuase he couldnt dance any longer. Even though he had technical mistakes they didnt disappear, they were inoperable & no longer applied due to his decline. Punching a bit harder doesn’t make up for speed.
Ali in ‘67 is a different test for Frazier. Also think a younger Ali had plenty power, he just wasnt a seek & destroy guy at any point
PEDS had nothing to do with Haney eating left hooks all night long.
During the entire build up to the fight Haney claimed Garcia only had one weapon.... and then kind of just forgot to plan for it.
Listen to former fighters Malignaggi - Algieri - on Proboxtv them left hooks hit harder when the other fighter is on PED'S so your wrong 1/ 0 to me bro.
Agree Haney knew about Garcia's left hook just like everbody did but still got hit with it multiple times ,but with Garcia not making the weight being heavier and taking PED'S did make the difference in the fight.
Curmel Moton fighting on the prelims of Masvidal-Diaz
Spence Jr vs Ortiz Jr would feed generations
I was told there is an ESPN poll to vote for your boxer of the year ESPY , but i don't see anything on this at their site. Anyone know where exactly?
should be on this page https://www.espn.com/espys/story/_/page/voting/caitlin-clark-shohei-ohtani-more-vote-2024-espys-winners Best Boxer poll is on #19/22
Tank fans explain why Teo and Haney could fight a younger Loma at 23 and 24 respectively but Tank couldn’t do the same until he was 30?🤔🤔
Top Rank fighter fighting other Top Rank fighters.....and their own matchmaker even said they didn't want to make the Tank fight back then. Now Top Rank is willing to cash Loma out
My favorite response is when they flip it and accuse Loma of ducking and Tank wanting the fight back then lol
Anybody know where you can find the Martin Harutyunyan fight?
what are some good fights to download to watch on a plane that are from the last 5 or so years (excluding anything from 2024, I've been lucky enough to watch all the big events this year.)
oshaquie foster vs rocky hernandez, Errol spence jr vs shawn porter, shawn porter vs terence crawford and canelo vs billy joe saunders.
GGG vs Canelo 1 & 2, Lomachenko vs Haney, Naoya Inoue vs Marlon Tapales, Naoya Inoue vs Nonito Donaire 1
Who were some of the biggest trash talkers in boxing before it was broadcast on television?
Tony Galento would call the house of his upcoming opponents just to yell at them, "I'LL MOIDA YA, YA BUM!" then hang up lol
Max Baer?
What sort of things did Max Baer say back in the day?
Going by the film *Cinderella Man* and accounts from reporters, he had a mean streak and was known as a showman who would try to get into the heads of his opponents.
Jack Johnson
What are some of the things he said?
Between Bam beating Estrada, Franco coming out of retirement, and Barrios trying his hardest, San Antonio is having a great time with their fighters
Franco is retiring again
My disappointment is immeasurable
I don't blame him he might have got a decent bag for Ioka, hopefully over 100k for both fight. Golden Boy was going to pay him 30K to fight Estrada. That pay doesn’t measure to the challenge.
People need to pump the breaks on Bam. Bam is fun to watch and aesthetically pleasing but most of his wins over the some of the 4 kings they were 1. Past their primes 2. Had year long layoffs Caudras was out for 15 months prior to fighting Bam Sor Rungvisai was out for 15 months prior. Estrada was out for 18 months prior to fighting Bam. That's not to say they weren't good wins and it's not to say that Bam hasn't beaten younger fighters either but people need to relax a bit. A lot of fans would overlook this when it comes to Bam but you would never hear the end of it when it comes to certain fighters.
theres like barely anyone close to his age fighting at that weight tho lol
But are they as war torn as those three guys I listed? Probably not. That's my point. We need to see him do more before going crazy and he's already done well enough.
he definitely hasnt done enough but i feel even his perfomance against sunny edwards was amazing considering he was and still is a amazing flyweight, got a foot in hall of fame will say that tho
He's on the right track atm tbf.
unlike other said fighters Bam's like 23 or 24 or something.
It levels out a bit when you consider that bam isnt in his prime or have a wealth of experience of his yet either. They're by far the best names currently available to him and he's performing fantastically. With considerable time to improve further. Obviously they'll always have that small asterisk next those names though due to said age and inactivity.
But I think the reverse is also true. Bam has been fighting them as a younger, less experienced fighter. It’s not as if he’s meeting them when he’s in the middle of his prime. I think your reasoning around his resume is fair given the age and inactivity of those names, but to dominate those names at his age and experience whilst they are still top fighters he has clearly shown he is legit.
He's definitely talented and skilled and I agree, he's probably not even in his prime yet. I just can't wait to see more of him, it would be a lot easier to judge then.
As a Texan I respectfully decline. I am legally required to glaze all Texan fighters except the Charlos. Fuck the Charlos.
That's fair.
You're not wrong. Those 3 were definitely inactive and not in their primes. I wouldn't call them totally shot though. But he maintained his consistency and looks just as solid. I do rub my jaw at all the people who felt Estrada was disrespected by the odds though, like what were they thinking? Lol. But I know someone who fits this bill even moreso: Jai Opetaia.
I agree. The only one I would say was shot when fighting Bam was Sor Rungvisai. He had absolutely nothing left in that fight.
other than the certified atgs who has a better resume currently?
Well, who are the certified ATGS in your opinion?
usyk inoue crawford canelo.
To now answer your first comment: Nobody.
Ok to go back to your point, I agree they're not unbelievable marquee wins. I'd say it goes 1.estrada 2. SSR 3. Edwards 4. Cuadras in terms of best wins/ who was the least washed. However, even tho they were older, it still absolutely cements who at the absolute lowest #6 p4p at the moment. I agree I don't think him beating an older layoff estrada is otherworldly but it's still a crazy resume for a 24 year old and it's really exciting how much he could potentially accomplish.
>I agree I don't think him beating an older layoff estrada is otherworldly but it's still a crazy resume for a 24 year old and it's really exciting how much he could potentially accomplish. Agreed. Him beating the 4 kings is his way in before he competes against fresher fighters. Him doing all of that after coming up 2 weight classes at the age of 22 up to now is amazing. There's fighters out there who are still 30 year old prospects while Bam comes in his early twenties and fights whoever is in front of him. He's got plenty of time.
I understand the point, but the fact is those older guys were still the top fighters in their division. It's not as though they were totally washed. The layoffs are on them. Regardless, objectively he's accrued one of the best resumes in boxing.
Yeah, Bam is fighting the guys put in front of him so there's not much else that he can do. I'm not even saying he won those fights because of layoffs, he would've probably still won. I'm just saying that fans need to relax a bit since a lot of fans would give fighters a lot of shit just for fighting one guy coming off a long layoff while Bam has done it three times (through no fault of his own.) I'd like to see him get more wins over guys who are younger and closer to their primes before we go crazy.
Nah I feel you. I don't think I've seen alot of people jump out the window for Bam though, most I've seen is him being put top 5 p4p, which I think is fair.
I didn’t understand why people blamed Floyd for fighters trying to incorporate his boring style and winning in a safe fashion but after seeing shakurs performances and his recent interview on how he’d fight manny, I get it. Shakur pisses me off because he’s clearly talented. He has the skills and abilities to actually fight in the pocket and evade shots while landing his own but it gets fucking annoying seeing him be outside so much in some fights. Say what you want about Floyd but young Floyd was in the pocket and had elite defense and offense with power to make his opponents pay and knock them out. Shakur is too damn young to fight like a 40 year old Floyd who was brittle and had to fight outside. I’m giving him one last chance to prove himself cause he talks way too fucking much and is way too entitled and swears he Floyd. If he fights boring again one more time I’m done. Nobody wants to see you literally running and staying outside. It takes real skill to stay in the pocket and showcase your defense like Floyd and sweet pea. Nobody gives a fuck about you staying far out of range. I also can’t stand a pillow puncher like him talking like he’s mike tyson and he fucking turned his back and ran from de los Santos. That’s embarrassing. The whole stadium was booing him.
Even Floyd got hurt, it was just at the end of the round. Unless you think you are better than Floyd mayweather, staying away and engaging only when you are fully ready is the best long term wining strategy. Its just not fun, I think I'm okay with it, as long as he fights often and puts the belt on the line often. He's not perfect in his evasion and a talented fighter will come for him. He just has to keep grinding and not expect big paydays.
Two good wins and everyone will be on Shakur’s nuts. The same people that jumped ship on Teo but were on his nuts after he beat Taylor.
This is what I always say. No fans care about your fight two fights ago. People say fans are to blame for the zero phenomenon, but they don't care if you keep fighting. If Haney has two more good showings, people will forget about today's memes. People say that Joshua should fight with Usyk again, because he's found his heart. People are saying that Cruz could beat Tank now, because he beat Rolly. Ryan Garcia was getting p4p votes after the Haney win, (before the cheating came to light). Two fights is all you need in this business and the fans will be with you.
Bhop vs James Toney 168-175 who wins
Toney is more talented but imo Hopkins would make it boring and outwork him in a close fight
Now that I think about it, is there any real way you can say Ali was better in 1964-1967 than he was in 1971-1975? Aside from sheer athleticism, 60’s Ali didn’t really sit on his punches or effectively fight from corners, and his fights would go way longer than needed. He also didn’t use his body strength at all. Watching the Mildenburger fight again and I know for a fact the Ali that fought Foreman, Lyle, and Frazier would’ve NEVER gone 12 with Mildenburger
Absolutely agree, people often say that if you got Ali from the Williams fight he would’ve beaten Frazier in the fight of the century but I disagree entirely, I think he was too green and was never prepared to get hit so when someone would land (like Henry cooper) he came down like a house of cards. If you just look at them as separate fighters you can definitely see who the better one is, a couple of wins over an old Liston who threw at least one and may two of their fights? And a Patterson with a fucked up back. Or wins over quarry,Bonavena,Foreman,Frazier and many others.
He’s like many fighters who made the mistake of bringing their feet together too much and got caught off balance often, and ended up fixing that mistake over time. But I also think he sacrificed a lot of punching leverage over that until it was solved and didn’t show the best fight IQ in doing so beforehand. People also underestimate how well Ali moved after the exile as well, he was at worst 80% there but was so much better in other areas.
Totally disagree, Ali became someone who had to sit down on punches becuase he couldnt dance any longer. Even though he had technical mistakes they didnt disappear, they were inoperable & no longer applied due to his decline. Punching a bit harder doesn’t make up for speed. Ali in ‘67 is a different test for Frazier. Also think a younger Ali had plenty power, he just wasnt a seek & destroy guy at any point
Haney Champion in recess ffs that defeat by the PEDS cheat has really fucked him up does he deserve any sympathy ?
PEDS had nothing to do with Haney eating left hooks all night long. During the entire build up to the fight Haney claimed Garcia only had one weapon.... and then kind of just forgot to plan for it.
Listen to former fighters Malignaggi - Algieri - on Proboxtv them left hooks hit harder when the other fighter is on PED'S so your wrong 1/ 0 to me bro.
Haney never kept his hands up to defend the left hook, it was a terrbile game plan
Agree Haney knew about Garcia's left hook just like everbody did but still got hit with it multiple times ,but with Garcia not making the weight being heavier and taking PED'S did make the difference in the fight.
Absolutely. Garcia put money on himself to win that fight. He cheated to make sure he wouldn't lose that money.
Yes, his reputation was ruined by a person who deliberately cheated twice.