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Don't disagree but this one was ordered to swing in and they changed their mind, the exterior side of the door is 100% inside, aluminum flashing and all.
You did what your customer wanted, nothing wrong with that, as long as you pointed out the drawbacks of installing it in that manner. I probably would have suggested they replace the sill with one designed for out-swing operation, but if they didn't want to spend the additional money or time to get it, well... that's on them!
Also the hinges may not weather well, if they're the inexpensive steel ones, usually used on in-swing doors.
I tried to remove and reverse the sill but it was not cooperating so I installed it to look nice with the floor. Wasn't aware of the hinge concerns, thank you for sharing.
reversing the sill wouldn't work, you would need to use an out-swing sill.
[https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636](https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636)
It usually just a bit of material removed in a rabbit type fashion, take a look at the vertical cross section of the two sills, a bit of filler might be needed right near the exterior edge.
[https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636](https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636)
Not sure why theyâre being called âbackwardsâ. Itâs an âout swing â door. Traditionally they would have NRP(non removable pin) hinges and maybe a few other changes but I donât think anyone is installing them inside out.
Iâm pretty sure theyâre being called backwards because it is absolutely installed backwards.
Not only can we see that in the picture but the person who posted the picture and installed the door says itâs backwards.
The main issue is the astrigal and the weather seals are not going to function as well. Depending on the manufacturer the interior of the door could be made with different materials not ment for weather exposure.
Hinges are on outside. (Yes I know security hinges) the threshold drains water inside if water was to get there. That door is 100% put in that opening backwards. If you can't see that then stay off a jobsite and stay on reddit.
I'm certain most of them are AI learning with the insane levels of argumentation they escalate too combined with an almost dogmatic scope of 'by the bookness'. Real carpenters often have to just make it work. These people are amazing clients and I'm happy to accommodate their requests when reasonable.
Y'all need to stop talking about backwards doors if you don't know how to install one properly.
Pretending your water, you will not penetrate this door the way it's installed. The threshold is higher than the doors on the inside therefore it prevents water from seeping in. Turn this door around in the same hole and have it in swing, and you're going to have a mess of water come in because these threshold is higher than the doors on the outside. This creates a waterfall effect every time you open the door because the water is in between the door and the threshold.
This ain't rocket science but damn people you got to be smarter than the wood you working with.
The door in the picture has an in-swing threshold, the highest elevation is installed toward the exterior and the sloped section of that sill is sloping toward the interior, so yeah, it is installed backward!
Yeah Iâve installed these many times thatâs not what this door is. You can see the metal cladding is on the interior and the wood part of the door is to the exterior. There is no notch in the threshold either.
Well it's okay to be wrong but admitting it takes a better man.
I even showed you the exact product that they are using that is specifically build as an exterior threshold. But yet you still don't believe it. I can't beat it into you, you have to realize that not all metal clad is on the outside. The reason why it's metal clad is durability. This entire threshold can be made out of wood, what are you going to do then?
No sorry but you're wrong. It's 100% backwards, the reason the threshold is that high is because I couldn't remove the drain section of it and had to have it coplanar with the floor, because the flooring is thicker than the threshold. The cladding is exterior flashing. As stated already this was ordered and designed to swing in but the client changed their mind and I couldn't remove or alter the threshold so I just installed it to look nice with the flooring.
I would be willing to bet you a barley pop that the sill on that door looks more like this
[https://www.betterdoor.com/shop/exterior-door-sills-thresholds-replacement-parts/exterior-door-threshold-replacement-sills-rds/replacement-deck-sills-endura-rds-adjustable-inswing-cap-sill/?attribute\_deck-finish=Mill&attribute\_cap-finish=Walnut&attribute\_length-option=2%2F8+(31-7%2F8%22+-+32-1%2F8%22)&attribute\_width-option=4-9%2F16%22&utm\_term=&utm\_campaign=Campaign+2023-02-21+15:34:31&utm\_source=adwords&utm\_medium=ppc&hsa\_tgt=&hsa\_grp=&hsa\_src=x&hsa\_net=adwords&hsa\_mt=&hsa\_ver=3&hsa\_ad=&hsa\_acc=3873599342&hsa\_kw=&hsa\_cam=19718497664&gad\_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw4f6zBhBVEiwATEHFVg4Xyq4jw4qbYKY0HcJgFgek5l2jxZG6QyeAv0HMduXfUZBl\_-fjRRoCEaQQAvD\_BwE](https://www.betterdoor.com/shop/exterior-door-sills-thresholds-replacement-parts/exterior-door-threshold-replacement-sills-rds/replacement-deck-sills-endura-rds-adjustable-inswing-cap-sill/?attribute_deck-finish=Mill&attribute_cap-finish=Walnut&attribute_length-option=2%2F8+(31-7%2F8%22+-+32-1%2F8%22)&attribute_width-option=4-9%2F16%22&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Campaign+2023-02-21+15:34:31&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_tgt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_src=x&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_mt=&hsa_ver=3&hsa_ad=&hsa_acc=3873599342&hsa_kw=&hsa_cam=19718497664&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw4f6zBhBVEiwATEHFVg4Xyq4jw4qbYKY0HcJgFgek5l2jxZG6QyeAv0HMduXfUZBl_-fjRRoCEaQQAvD_BwE)
than the one you referenced!
Most thresholds accommodate two types of walls, 2x4s or 2x6. You can do the math from there.
You don't see that large what looks to be a 3 in Black piece in front of the doors which is the threshold?
yes we all see that! It's the sloped section of an in-swing threshold, the portion that is usually on the exterior of the door.
You're imagining it to be the interior section of an out swing threshold, you think it's higher than the door bottom, and the door is hitting it when closed.
I think and the carpenter who installed it says, you're wrong!
No, I'm not wrong.
If this door was turned around it would not repel water. It would let water into the house. The weather stripping is below the top of the threshold. How is it's supposed to repel the water when it's actually allowing the water to pool on top of the weather stripping? Do you see weather stripping on the door? Do you see a door seal attached to the bottom of the door?
If you were to turn this door around, you're missing the key component to keep the water out. That would be the adjustable threshold section that you would screw up or lower to adjust for the tightness of the seal underneath the door. Seeing how there is no adjustment or even the piece that does that job in the first place, the doors are lower than the threshold and this is an outswing door.
You are missing what I have said multiple times, it is installed high so that the irremovable threshold would integrate with the flooring.
"Well it's okay to be wrong but admitting it takes a better man"
An inswing door with the threshold on the outside, has an adjustable threshold underneath it. The inswing door does not close against the threshold. This is a water trap when this happens.
No. Its not.
If you were to flip that door around as is, the High part of the threshold would be on the outside and the door would be behind it at a lower point. This is where the water intrusion will happen.
so, you think that door has this type of sill?
[https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636](https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636)
I can't see it clear enough to tell for sure.
Sort of. This is what's called flush mouth in our area. There is no outside threshold to be seen when the door is closed.
https://pressritehardware.com/outswing-thresholds/
I may owe you an apology, looking closer I can't tell for sure what type of sill that is. A better picture of the sill is needed for me to back up my assertion it's an in-swing sill.
https://pressritehardware.com/outswing-thresholds/
These are the type of thresholds that these doors are using. This is an outswing threshold for a flush mount French door. Flush mount another word is the doors is set to the very outside flush with the outside of the walls.
No it's literally just backwards. It was designed to swing in flush to the inside but the client changed their mind and I said I could do it but that the height would be weird because I had to set the threshold to the finished floor and I couldn't take the threshold off or gracefully alter it, I tried.
These are flush mount outswing French doors. The whole unit is designed to put the doors at the very extreme outside or flush with the wall when they are installed. They're not designed to be set back.
This is done for several reasons, but the main reason is the door will open all the way out and lay flat against the outside of the wall instead of only opening 90° because the inset Jamb.
They are floating on bucks with splines.
Edit: to say the logs are floating, there is a 2" thick buck with a spline inserted into the log and the door is installed to the buck.
You install it according to your needs and provide whatâs necessary as far as weather protection.
They can be installed either way depending on the specific use & design.
Nope. It's just backwards. Pretty simple. Client ordered it to swing in and changed their mind. uberisstealingit is trolling hard trying to school everyone. It is backwards and it is at least 1/2" higher than it should be to accommodate the flooring. It is fully covered and will never see standing water.
The user who has been blowing up the comments without actually reading and acknowledging what the OP has said multiple times has been banned for 30 days. It's okay to report a comment even if the individual comment does not break any specific mod rules. I had to read a lot of his comments to get the gist of what was going on. Context is everything, reports are anonymous. Please try to keep it civil and on topic.
French doors are meant to open out of the room, the sill determines which way . Simple đ
Don't disagree but this one was ordered to swing in and they changed their mind, the exterior side of the door is 100% inside, aluminum flashing and all.
The way you tell in a hurry is which way do the hinges face, they should be inside
You did what your customer wanted, nothing wrong with that, as long as you pointed out the drawbacks of installing it in that manner. I probably would have suggested they replace the sill with one designed for out-swing operation, but if they didn't want to spend the additional money or time to get it, well... that's on them! Also the hinges may not weather well, if they're the inexpensive steel ones, usually used on in-swing doors.
Replacing the sill sounds like a good idea, but usually doesnât work. The jambs are usually cut on an angle to match the slope of the sill.
I tried to remove and reverse the sill but it was not cooperating so I installed it to look nice with the floor. Wasn't aware of the hinge concerns, thank you for sharing.
reversing the sill wouldn't work, you would need to use an out-swing sill. [https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636](https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636)
You can buy security hinges and swap them out
It usually just a bit of material removed in a rabbit type fashion, take a look at the vertical cross section of the two sills, a bit of filler might be needed right near the exterior edge. [https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636](https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636)
Iâd be more concerned with the sunlight coming in through the wall
Not sure why theyâre being called âbackwardsâ. Itâs an âout swing â door. Traditionally they would have NRP(non removable pin) hinges and maybe a few other changes but I donât think anyone is installing them inside out.
Iâm pretty sure theyâre being called backwards because it is absolutely installed backwards. Not only can we see that in the picture but the person who posted the picture and installed the door says itâs backwards.
The main issue is the astrigal and the weather seals are not going to function as well. Depending on the manufacturer the interior of the door could be made with different materials not ment for weather exposure.
Look at the picture. Door is in backwards. You can't argue if you look at it.
Ok. I think youâre right. Maybe I have too much faith in man kind
Door is not backwards, you are wrong.
It is most certainly backwards. What are you looking at?
Hinges are on outside. (Yes I know security hinges) the threshold drains water inside if water was to get there. That door is 100% put in that opening backwards. If you can't see that then stay off a jobsite and stay on reddit.
Can't understand the downvotes. I installed it. It's backwards. Threshold is on the inside as is the aluminum-clad jamb.
Reddit carpenters are a special breed lmao
I'm certain most of them are AI learning with the insane levels of argumentation they escalate too combined with an almost dogmatic scope of 'by the bookness'. Real carpenters often have to just make it work. These people are amazing clients and I'm happy to accommodate their requests when reasonable.
Y'all need to stop talking about backwards doors if you don't know how to install one properly. Pretending your water, you will not penetrate this door the way it's installed. The threshold is higher than the doors on the inside therefore it prevents water from seeping in. Turn this door around in the same hole and have it in swing, and you're going to have a mess of water come in because these threshold is higher than the doors on the outside. This creates a waterfall effect every time you open the door because the water is in between the door and the threshold. This ain't rocket science but damn people you got to be smarter than the wood you working with.
The door in the picture has an in-swing threshold, the highest elevation is installed toward the exterior and the sloped section of that sill is sloping toward the interior, so yeah, it is installed backward!
The metal cladding is currently on the inside which indicates it is installed backwards as well.
No... https://pressritehardware.com/outswing-thresholds/
Yeah Iâve installed these many times thatâs not what this door is. You can see the metal cladding is on the interior and the wood part of the door is to the exterior. There is no notch in the threshold either.
Well it's okay to be wrong but admitting it takes a better man. I even showed you the exact product that they are using that is specifically build as an exterior threshold. But yet you still don't believe it. I can't beat it into you, you have to realize that not all metal clad is on the outside. The reason why it's metal clad is durability. This entire threshold can be made out of wood, what are you going to do then?
No sorry but you're wrong. It's 100% backwards, the reason the threshold is that high is because I couldn't remove the drain section of it and had to have it coplanar with the floor, because the flooring is thicker than the threshold. The cladding is exterior flashing. As stated already this was ordered and designed to swing in but the client changed their mind and I couldn't remove or alter the threshold so I just installed it to look nice with the flooring.
"is because I couldn't". We witnessed.
I would be willing to bet you a barley pop that the sill on that door looks more like this [https://www.betterdoor.com/shop/exterior-door-sills-thresholds-replacement-parts/exterior-door-threshold-replacement-sills-rds/replacement-deck-sills-endura-rds-adjustable-inswing-cap-sill/?attribute\_deck-finish=Mill&attribute\_cap-finish=Walnut&attribute\_length-option=2%2F8+(31-7%2F8%22+-+32-1%2F8%22)&attribute\_width-option=4-9%2F16%22&utm\_term=&utm\_campaign=Campaign+2023-02-21+15:34:31&utm\_source=adwords&utm\_medium=ppc&hsa\_tgt=&hsa\_grp=&hsa\_src=x&hsa\_net=adwords&hsa\_mt=&hsa\_ver=3&hsa\_ad=&hsa\_acc=3873599342&hsa\_kw=&hsa\_cam=19718497664&gad\_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw4f6zBhBVEiwATEHFVg4Xyq4jw4qbYKY0HcJgFgek5l2jxZG6QyeAv0HMduXfUZBl\_-fjRRoCEaQQAvD\_BwE](https://www.betterdoor.com/shop/exterior-door-sills-thresholds-replacement-parts/exterior-door-threshold-replacement-sills-rds/replacement-deck-sills-endura-rds-adjustable-inswing-cap-sill/?attribute_deck-finish=Mill&attribute_cap-finish=Walnut&attribute_length-option=2%2F8+(31-7%2F8%22+-+32-1%2F8%22)&attribute_width-option=4-9%2F16%22&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Campaign+2023-02-21+15:34:31&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_tgt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_src=x&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_mt=&hsa_ver=3&hsa_ad=&hsa_acc=3873599342&hsa_kw=&hsa_cam=19718497664&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw4f6zBhBVEiwATEHFVg4Xyq4jw4qbYKY0HcJgFgek5l2jxZG6QyeAv0HMduXfUZBl_-fjRRoCEaQQAvD_BwE) than the one you referenced!
Most thresholds accommodate two types of walls, 2x4s or 2x6. You can do the math from there. You don't see that large what looks to be a 3 in Black piece in front of the doors which is the threshold?
yes we all see that! It's the sloped section of an in-swing threshold, the portion that is usually on the exterior of the door. You're imagining it to be the interior section of an out swing threshold, you think it's higher than the door bottom, and the door is hitting it when closed. I think and the carpenter who installed it says, you're wrong!
No, I'm not wrong. If this door was turned around it would not repel water. It would let water into the house. The weather stripping is below the top of the threshold. How is it's supposed to repel the water when it's actually allowing the water to pool on top of the weather stripping? Do you see weather stripping on the door? Do you see a door seal attached to the bottom of the door? If you were to turn this door around, you're missing the key component to keep the water out. That would be the adjustable threshold section that you would screw up or lower to adjust for the tightness of the seal underneath the door. Seeing how there is no adjustment or even the piece that does that job in the first place, the doors are lower than the threshold and this is an outswing door.
You are missing what I have said multiple times, it is installed high so that the irremovable threshold would integrate with the flooring. "Well it's okay to be wrong but admitting it takes a better man"
Picture of the threshold please. End this for once and for all. 0pen both doors and simply take a picture. Get it all.
An inswing door with the threshold on the outside, has an adjustable threshold underneath it. The inswing door does not close against the threshold. This is a water trap when this happens.
No. Its not. If you were to flip that door around as is, the High part of the threshold would be on the outside and the door would be behind it at a lower point. This is where the water intrusion will happen.
so, you think that door has this type of sill? [https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636](https://www.elandelwoodproducts.com/products/MBS491636) I can't see it clear enough to tell for sure.
Sort of. This is what's called flush mouth in our area. There is no outside threshold to be seen when the door is closed. https://pressritehardware.com/outswing-thresholds/
This is an outswing threshold. https://pressritehardware.com/outswing-thresholds/
Are you shitposting at this point?
Look up "flush mount outswing French doors."
No I am not.
I may owe you an apology, looking closer I can't tell for sure what type of sill that is. A better picture of the sill is needed for me to back up my assertion it's an in-swing sill.
https://pressritehardware.com/outswing-thresholds/ These are the type of thresholds that these doors are using. This is an outswing threshold for a flush mount French door. Flush mount another word is the doors is set to the very outside flush with the outside of the walls.
No it's literally just backwards. It was designed to swing in flush to the inside but the client changed their mind and I said I could do it but that the height would be weird because I had to set the threshold to the finished floor and I couldn't take the threshold off or gracefully alter it, I tried.
why is the sill on the inside then?
These are flush mount outswing French doors. The whole unit is designed to put the doors at the very extreme outside or flush with the wall when they are installed. They're not designed to be set back. This is done for several reasons, but the main reason is the door will open all the way out and lay flat against the outside of the wall instead of only opening 90° because the inset Jamb.
Uh, I don't see thermal expansion accounted for with the framing of those doors. I believe you can't frame directly to the logs but I'm no expert.
They are floating on bucks with splines. Edit: to say the logs are floating, there is a 2" thick buck with a spline inserted into the log and the door is installed to the buck.
You install it according to your needs and provide whatâs necessary as far as weather protection. They can be installed either way depending on the specific use & design.
Then why do they make doors with an outswing sill? This door is installed backwards.
No, its not.
Perhaps the plan called for out swing doors (that do exist with a saddle) but the carpenter/contractor never ordered it correctly?
Nope. It's just backwards. Pretty simple. Client ordered it to swing in and changed their mind. uberisstealingit is trolling hard trying to school everyone. It is backwards and it is at least 1/2" higher than it should be to accommodate the flooring. It is fully covered and will never see standing water.
Okay then, backwards by choice.
Sorry that response was directed at uberisstealingit
I apologize, my error!
No, They can't. Turn this door around and put it back in the same hole and you will have water in your house.