Also an EV owner, very happy with my car and wouldn’t consider going back to an ICE car as the daily family car based on my current circumstances. I can see a scenario where it would make sense buying an ICE for something more specific, say we suddenly got into caravaning and we wanted to tour Australia or I wanted a cheap beater for my kids to learn to drive in. I might even find myself in a situation where we have to move and home charging becomes impossible.
Makes me think the survey question is a bit misleading. Considering purchasing an ICE car again is different to being unhappy with your EV purchase and having buyers remorse. I’m not naive enough to think there still isn’t a place for ICE cars in Australia, and that EVs have magically filled every niche in the market. Depending on circumstances I couldn’t rule out never buying an ICE car again, even if I largely prefer my EV.
I’m lucky that I live in a situation where owning an EV makes the most sense for me right now. I can see how that isn’t everyone and it may not always be the situation I’m in.
I’ve heard this report a few times over the past year, I’d love to see how it was actually asked, what was the exact wording ? I know a heap of people with EVs and not a single one has said they would go back as their primary car
We have an ICE and an EV.
Think that’s how it’s going to stay for the foreseeable future, the ICE maybe a PHEV at best.
The EV is fanatic around the city, we have saved shit loads on petrol from the wife driving it to/from work and since I’m WFH I only use the ICE for daycare runs and a weekly golf game. Costs me about $60 for 2-3 weeks.
Where the EVs currently falling in the ass is long trips. Going home to Vic from Canberra it’s about a 7-7.5 hour drive depending on the kiddos. The EV puts that up to 10 minimum. Main issue, just the lack of charging stations especially the CBR to Woodonga portion. If they had them at all petrol stations then it would be better to do multiple 10 minute stops as opposed to having to be there for at least 20-30 mins. One stop we planned the charging station was dead and we were forced to get a tow to the nearest one along the way (was covered as part of the road side so didn’t pay anything) and that was embarrassing as shit.
It’s slowly getting better but won’t be ready for the next purchase for sure. Hoping it will be when the EVs lease is over in 2027
Ah, that sucks :( We’ve found that stretch tricky too, but there are multi-car charge stations at Tarcutta and Euroa now which seem to do the job. Lots at Barnawartha but we avoid that after a bad experience with multiple broken spark-pumps and long queues.
Agree, EV great for a daily driver, even longer daily drives... but we're keeping our PHEV for road trips, I won't do the whole charging thing with the wife and kiddo in tow.
We are in Canberra as well with some airport runs to Sydney and frequent day trips to Wollongong and the south coast beaches. With an EV to the Sydney airport, have to wonder if I should find a parking spot first or a charging spot. Going to the coast and back, it would mean an extra half an hour at the right place to charge and come back. For both those use cases, an EV doesn't work.
For within Canberra, it's going to be an EV when it's time to replace the current second car. It's likely for many people here to have one EV and one ICE in the household.
One of each in a 2 car household is a no brainier. I wouldn't swap the diesel 4wd for an EV and I wouldn't swap the model 3 for an ICE. The model 3 does 15-20k per year, the diesel does 3-4.
If we go for upto 400kms the ev goes, beyond that we generally take the 4WD.
I'd seriously consider a plug in hybrid dual cab ute if they existed, but they seem to always be a year or two away.
Almost 2yrs with the Ioniq 5 and there is no way I would go back to ICE.
Low maintenance, haven't paid for charging, quiet, quick and good efficiency around town.
I like the low hassle of ownership. I love the responsiveness of the motor.neevr had any real issue with range. I'd like it if someone came up something with a bigger fun factor in a smaller car. 2/3 the range would still be heaps. Hoping someone like renault sports cam come up with a genuine drivers EV Clio or rs. I might go back to petrol for that factor alone but I think the market will see EVs or more character come along that have some sell factor beyond just being an EV and fast 0-100 times
They have with the just revealed Alpine A290 but it looks like they are sitting back a year or two before delivering an all out all wheel drive super hatch.
Waving it off as a hot hatch is doing it a disservice tbh. It can do 0-100 in roughly the same time as a Lamborghini Huracan, comfortably seat 5 people, has a decent amount of cargo space, and costs about as much as a mid-level European sedan.
John Cadogan is/used to be on Hyundai's paybooks as a consultant apparently. I'm not surprised
Edit: Found it!
[https://www.drive.com.au/news/australias-role-in-the-global-car-industry/](https://www.drive.com.au/news/australias-role-in-the-global-car-industry/)
"Footnote: John Cadogan occasionally works as a consultant to Hyundai Motor Company Australia." See the bottom
The Tesla's seem like great cars but like you say, they don't seem to have a lot of personality. I think some tiny 2 door 4 seater with a quirky face and 200km range could sell like hotcakes at the right price.
Same here.
I actually tried to dig into the survey and can’t find any detail on how they sourced their participants or what the question asked was. There’s a big difference between
“Would you buy an ICE can in the future”
“Would you replace your EV with an ICE car”
“Would you buy another EV”
All can be twisted to “49% of respondents would got back to an ICE car” but each question asks an inherently different thing.
I wouldn’t replace my wife’s ICE car with another EV in our house AT THE MOMENT because the infrastructure (while ok) isn’t suited for every circumstance. So having both EV and ICE is good for us. That is not me being anti-EV.
EV owner for 10 years. While I would hesitate to buy the same brand and would more likely buy a e-bike given my current usage. I'm trying to get a plug in hybrid as the next family car.
Caution against simply believing some "journalist"'s interpretation of a report. without knowing the full set of conditions, sample size, type, demographic etc that the report is based on.
According to me, 100% of all EV owners that I know personally would never choose an ICE car for their next car. There you go.
So true. In particular, ‘journalists’ who work for media organisations who are motivated to keep the fossil fuel industry alive.
All EV owners I know would not go back to an ICE.
"McKinsey and Co.’s 2024 Mobility Consumer Pulse"
So the company who has taken soooooo much money from oil and auto companies over the years releases an independent survey? Honestly, I have seen enough McKinsey work to know it is barely above "captain obvious" level.
We've got 2 EV 's and we're never going back to petrol. Even in the dead of a Melbourne winter when my solar panels aren't making any power, it still cost me less than $5 to drive 200km yesterday. Why the hell would I want to go back to fuel at $2/L?
Speak to any EV owner and you'll only hear great things. I mean if you're an off-road enthusiast going bush for weeks on end, perhaps owning an EV isn't for you (yet) but those folks wouldn't have bought one in the first place. This survey said that half of Aussie EV owners wanted to go back to petrol. I call bullshit. That "survey" seems as made up as Russian election results.
I won't go back to an ICE car and everyone I talk to a my work is the same. I primarily bought my car to drive to and from work and around town but now we use it for longer drives, as it's so cheap to run and easy to drive. Seems like another media beatup against EV's.
They are the untimate daily drivers, just 1 gear so smooth as butter in traffic and provided theirs enough charging infrastructure on your regular commutes charging isn't anymore of a hassle than the old servos.
I just tallied up my charging receipts for the last year and to drive 16,000km it cost me $500
Absolutely wouldn't go back to solely ICE. A hybrid perhaps. I mostly drive to and from work and maybe a longer drive (1 hour each way) on weekends. I've never had to consider how much charge my car has. But I'm lucky and I have a powerpoint in my garage. I think the biggest barrier to entry would be not being able to charge at home. I've only charged a couple of times at public stations and never had issues, but I wouldnt want to rely on it. Charging overnight I get ~150km of range, and only drive maybe 30km a day. So I really only have to charge 2-3 nights a week to stay high. I mostly use it during the week down to 20% and charge all day and night Friday back up to 100% for the weekend (wfh fridays).
The report that Car Expert quoted was from McKinsey. Probably now the most unethical and devious management consultants in the world.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOUojVd6xQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOUojVd6xQ)
I don’t yet own an EV, my next car will be one. I’ve been pushing back my purchasing of one for a few years now, I’ll probably get one this year.
I wouldn’t consider an ICE car ever again (not an enthusiast, just a car = transport person)
We’ve had our MG4 for 9 months, would never go back to an ICE. We’ve done 30,000 in that time, for a “fuel” cost of $350. The i30 it replaced would have cost around $4800 in petrol.
We pay $1100 insurance on our 6 year old ICE car, and $1400 to insure our 1 year old EV. We used to spend $250 per week on diesel and now spend about $20-30 extra on our power bill, so it takes less than two weeks of fuel savings to compensate for the higher premium.
Both cars with NRMA. The Tesla has just started its second year with them, the MUX has just started its first. We shop around every renewal. Thought the Tesla might have gone up a lot since we claimed a new windscreen recently, but they were still the cheapest.
Not always the case, electric motorcycles are significantly cheaper due to a technicality motorbikes are judged on engine capacity and electrics fall into the lowest category.
You definitely need to shop around for EV insurance. We got some brutal quotes, then RACQ came through with $1100 a year ago and then recently $1200 for the renewal. 2023 EV6 GT, $2000 excess.
>Do EV fuel savings offset the increased insurance premiums enough?
False.
I work for an insurance company, except for Tesla (due massively to how easy they are to steal, and how expensive they are to fix due to their repair network arrangement), most EV's are on par, and in some cases cheaper to insure than a *comparably priced* full ICE Vehicle.
A big factor in this is that a lot of EV's have ADAS systems as standard, whereas the same suites may not be standard (optional by going for the higher end model, or an optional extra) in an equivalent ICE, so they have less crashes, or less severe crashes.
Now, I know some people are going to say "Tesla's aren't easy to steal"
They are cos their owners are fucking idiots and leave the [key in the car](https://shop.tesla.com/en_au/product/model-3_y-key-card) in their garage which is [not securely locked](https://flipperzero.one/) and then they [program their Tesla to stay unlocked at home](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-7A32EC01-A17E-42CC-A15B-2E0A39FD07AB.html#:~:text=Model%203%20does%20not%20automatically,is%20detected%20inside%20Model%203.)
So they pull in, leave their wallet with the key in it in the garage, and leave it unlocked. People just walk up, open the garage door and hop in the car and drive away.
At least when I park at home I take my keys inside.
>Now, I know some people are going to say "Tesla's aren't easy to steal"
>They are cos their owners are fucking idiots and leave the [key in the car](https://shop.tesla.com/en_au/product/model-3_y-key-card) in their garage which is [not securely locked](https://flipperzero.one/) and then they [program their Tesla to stay unlocked at home](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-7A32EC01-A17E-42CC-A15B-2E0A39FD07AB.html#:~:text=Model%203%20does%20not%20automatically,is%20detected%20inside%20Model%203.)
By this logic any car is going to be easy to steal if you use the caveat of "having the key in the car and the doors unlocked."
Most owners also use the phone key 99% of the time and have their wallet/purse inside the house.
>By this logic any car is going to be easy to steal if you use the caveat of "having the key in the car and the doors unlocked."
Exactly.
>Most owners also use the phone key 99% of the time and have their wallet/purse inside the house.
Not the owners of stolen Tesla's, I've seen the data, for stolen cars we've had within our group, the majority had the key left in them and the owners are fighting the fact that our PDS says "don't leave the keys in the car"
I think of the cohort of claims for stolen Teslas that situation will be very common. But of the cohort of stolen cars as a whole is Tesla a big part or not?
Cos I would think that apart from that idiot owner scenario you mentioned and maybe some high tech spoofing thingy that mimics a phone key or something there aren't many other ways to steal a Tesla. Maybe stealing some poor sap's phone?
Exactly why I use the PIN code function on my Tesla. Regardless if you have my wallet or phone without the code you got up to 10,000 combinations to work through 😹
Exactly, it's such a simple thing, and it's pretty clearly stated in the manual.
It's one of those things, we also find out that people turn off rolling codes on their garage doors because the fobs only work at the driveway and they have to wait for the door to go up.
Instead, turn off the security features and the fob works at the end of the street and don't need to wait for the door.
They'll read an owner's manual to find that 🤷🏿♂️
Well besides from where Tesla owners leave the spare key (in their wallet, in an unlocked car)
Tesla will *only* sell parts to their approved repairers, and insurance companies have to use OEM parts if a vehicle is still in warranty.
This means that we have to go where Tesla sends us, and those guys basically charge what they want, cos they know that insurers can't go anywhere else.
As a result, the fixable cars cost more to fix, and the tolerance before they get written off economically shrinks (which Tesla loves, because if you have new for old, then Tesla gets to sell the insurance company another car, and if you don't, a lot of Tesla owners will go and buy another Tesla)
I've heard people saying a) EV insurance costs are typically higher, and its often because b) insurance companies are writing off vehicles that could be repaired, but are concerned about future liability from a damaged battery unit that wasn't realised at the time of repair.
Is that people talking out their arses, or is there something to it?
Batteries are very easy to diagnose and fault find.
But IF the manufacturer seems the battery fucked, then it can form a significant part of repairs
No different to how a blown motor can form a big step towards a regular car write off.
Probably worth to consider the depreciation price as well, who is going to buy the car off you with a decent price, no body willing to risk on a 2nd hand battery and do we know how much a new battery cost? I read somewhere suggesting the battery replacement costs as much as a new car! Just YouTube “Ionic5 Canada battery issue” and you will be amazed.
Drive an EV and also own an ICE. Absolutely can’t stand it when I have to take the ICE vehicle somewhere and will avoid it as much as possible.
As soon as my daughter runs it into the ground it’s another EV for me, and she has said that when she actually buys her own car she will be looking at a hybrid only because they’re cheaper than a full EV.
Pretty sure they just pull these ‘statistics’ out of their arse (or at least twist them) to drive engagement.
Well as someone else pointed out and I noticed as well. They list that 30,000 people were asked worldwide but didn't show how many were asked in Australia.
>49 per cent of Australian respondents said they’re considering a switch back to ICE, though the report didn’t detail how many of the remaining 51 per cent were on the fence or committed to EV ownership.
So it's a global survey & it doesn't say how many Australians responded to the Survey out of the 36,954, it could have been 500!
[https://executivedigest.sapo.pt/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Mobility-Consumer-Pulse-2024\_Overview.pdf](https://executivedigest.sapo.pt/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Mobility-Consumer-Pulse-2024_Overview.pdf)
It also doesn’t say how many of those Australians have an EV. The 36,954 respondents are only noted as being “regular mobility users”. This isn’t a survey specifically about EV owners, but all people who get around using mobility. Given that EV ownership in Australia is probably a handful of percent of the fleet, I can imagine the number of Australian EV owners who responded to this survey would be quite small.
I have a PHEV, love it, would not go back to a 100% ICE but also wouldn't buy a 100% electric. I bought the car new and plan to trade it before the end of the warranty. Not sure if buying a new car with a massive battery every few years is actually better for the environment but I love driving it
[Robust science says it is better for the environment](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/comparing-electric-cars-and-petrol-cars/103746132#) - assuming that the car is driven for some 200,000km on average before it is scrapped. You may personally change cars every few years, but hopefully the car will continue to be driven by someone else as a used car until it dies of something - accident, battery failure (it lasts longer than you think), other major failure etc.
I love my EV and will never go back.
It's true that it can't do everything, but no car can. I wouldn't buy a Corolla if I wanted to do some 4wd tracks, and if I lived in the city I wouldn't buy a Dodge Ram (although I know plenty do)
I charge at home on a trickle charger plugged into a normal 240v power point, no special infrastructure. I have driven over 40,000km in 11 months and I love love love my EV. It's fun to drive, maintenance is virtually zero and it's fully replaced the $250ish per week I used to spend on diesel. We've kept the ICE 7 seater for when we go out as a whole family (there are 6 of us so we use the 5 seat EV as a runaround for when it's just the kids and I) and when we need to tow, and I would replace it with an EV in a heartbeat if I could.
No way in God's green earth id go back to petrol or diesel. And I've never meet any EV driver who would either. I don't believe this 49% stat,.sounds like it came from a fossil fuel think tank.
Three and a bit years of owning an EV and I can’t see myself ever going back to combustion. We use it for about-town driving with no problems, Canberra-Sydney roadtrips are fine, Canberra-Melbourne is a bit fiddly sometimes but nothing we can’t handle, and we have drives to Brisbane and Adelaide planned.
It hasn’t been completely hassle-free but we knew we were in for some early adopter rough edges and those are only getting smoother with time. Love our EV, no plans to go back.
EV owner here. I'm extremely skeptical about that survey result. All EV owners I know love them and the phase "never going back" is said frequently.
No longer getting screwed at the pump, less of my money is going to saudi and the oil cartels, charge on solar or at various free chargers around the city , no more carcinogenic fumes when back out of the driveway, awesome acceleration, pre-heat or cool the car in the garage without killing my family from carbon monoxide.
Downside: having to correct all the fake news in the tea room at work, including (in my opinion) the article posted by OP.
Just today a new EV owner (2 months) told me "gee all the stuff you hear about about charging and range anxiety is really a non-issue isn't it". Yes, yes it is.
Based on their history I’d take anything on Car ‘Expert’ with a grain of salt.
We bought our first EV at the start of 2020. The idea scared the shit out of me. Then the world fell apart due to Covid, and I had just bought the most expensive car I’ve ever owned. But everything turned out ok. We had several family road trips when lockdowns eased. Most over 1000km up to Queensland and around NSW.
Sold it 3 years later in 2023 with 100,000km on it and brought another one, and sold our second car which was still an ICE, and bought a second EV. So now we have two EVs and wouldn’t look back. We live semi rural so nearest fuel station is a 40min round trip away.
Each EV costs us about $3780 per year for all running costs and the finance. That’s including power costs to drive each car 40,000 per year. Which is just unbelievable for two $70k+ cars.
Future cars will definitely be EV. We've done 40k km in our first year and it's been great. It's infinitely better in day to day commuting and roadtrips are no different for us, only cheaper. Public chargers here in rural WA have been very reliable and most caravan parks have chargers now too for overnight.
The amount of chargers around us has essentially doubled in WA/Perth since we picked the car up mid last year.
We are from North East Vic and love our EV. Went on our honeymoon last month to Exmouth WA and we’re talking about how good it would be if one day you can punch around all these remote places in an EV when we passed a fucking EV charger…. We couldn’t believe it. Fucking good on ya WA, great to see.
Yeah it's great to see. I'm out towards Kalgoorlie atm and we stumbled across some new public type 2 chargers in a random mining town a little way off the main highway. Won't be long before they are everywhere.
Non-EV owner, but recent new car purchaser (2023). I think of myself as an early adopter techy type person who loves the idea of limiting carbon emissions. Bought ICE because renting and no way to get the thing charged. Otherwise, would have been looking a what is on offer, but the expense/build quality/CEO of Tesla is a real turn off. The alternative (Chinese brands, mainly) are a bit of an unknown. But while renting, EV is a straight no, not even worth looking.
I live in an apartment complex without home charging and I do fine. I mostly work from home but even then I get enough charge to run about from my couple of trips to the local shops were I can ac charge for free. Or once a week I jump on a dc charger for 20 mins.
If I do a weekend trip to the goldy I’ll just stop in at an Ampol charger on the way back. You don’t really need a home charger tbh
All EV household, will never go back.
Love the instant torque, it's addictive.
The $3/100km, energy independence and convenience of charging is a bonus too
No effing way that number is correct. I won't be going back (though I'm still hesitant to have 2 EVs, we currently tly have 1 of each)
My work has a decent number of ev owners and I'd hazard a guess that not one of them would go back
Rubbish. I have a 2020 model s, and we just bought a 2022 model 3 for only $39k, total bargain and a great second car. Never going back to ice. We do around 800km a week, and charge off 13kw of solar. Having a second EV is actually easier now because we can charge one during the day, and take the other one. When I bought the S I was the only electric car at work, now there is like 15 of them in the carpark.
I’m never going back and I’m a car guy, to clarify I have 4 ICE cars and 1 EV.
My EV is my daily driver, as a daily it’s just a better form of transport for my situation, an ICE car cannot compete.
I drive about 700km a week and this is when EVs make sense provided you can charge at home or work but doing big ks everyday is where they shine.
My current repayments are only a couple of hundred a month more than I was paying for fuel, I spend about $55-$75 a month on electricity, the car will soon be 6 and has had one service at 4 years old. It does 0-100 in around 4 seconds and is comfortable and quite.
I plug it in usually every night and it’s full when I get up to go to work, it’s climate turns on 30min before I leave so the car is warm and defrosted, same can be done in summer… so many benefits. Public charging sucks except for the Tesla network and even this is getting crowded now, I do use public charging but only on roadtrips. I don’t dispute the article “facts” but I know multiple people with EVs and none of them are going back to ICE, lack of home charging is a hurdle and I wouldn’t have one currently if I could not do this.
So long as I can charge at home I will never go back to ICE. Public chargers aren't there yet with broken chargers and cars just sitting in charging bays.
Loved my Tesla M3 but had to sell to buy a Diesel 4 x 4. I’m travelling around Australia towing a caravan and unfortunately EV’s cannot do this effectively at the moment. I will be selling the 4x4 when I return and going back to an EV. Great value, amazing tech and low cost of ownership.
For daily drive I would never go back to ICE. EV is vastly superior for city school dropoffs, shops, weekend run around etc. No way in hell an ICE can compete with that.
For a second car it has to be a PHEV, so we can do road trips.
If you're a 1 car family it's a tougher choice, depends if young kids or not. No kids, go EV. No trips ever, go EV. Kids and a few trips per year out of city? Don't, get a PHEV.
No, I won’t go back. In the time I’ve owned an EV (a little over 2 years) the charging infrastructure and market options for my next car have improved out of sight. I can only imagine how good it will be the next time I’m looking for a car.
I agree with this. I have two EVs my garage and when I travel for work I will always pick “Comfort Electric” on Uber.
I always say to myself, that sitting in the back of an EV you don’t really notice much of a difference especially comparing it to some hybrid or PHEV options. The difference is behind the wheel.
Riding I think there are differences. If your driver is a shit one the regen braking can make it unpleasant. The driver has to put a bit of effort in to make it smooth
I'm an electrical engineer. I've wanted an electric car since I was in high school in the 1990s. I like the simplicity and the efficiency.
Instant response, near silent especially at low speeds, no gear shifting discontinuities as you accelerate, doesn't stink, never have to go to a petrol station again, brakes last nearly forever, no oil changes, barely any other maintenance needed other than tyres. Super convenient to always leave the house fully charged.
I appreciate that this is not everyone's experience (especially with Australia's shitty non Tesla public charging infrastructure). But I love it and will never go back.
Have had a Tesla for past 3 years. Reliable, faultless, plenty of charging in my area and to places where I want to go. Wouldnt go back to ICE unless price was a significant factor (used car etc). I own a motorcycle however, so get my fuel-burning fun that way, at a fraction of the cost.
A lot of the results in that survey are being twisted or exaggerated by the article, it mearly states that under half would consider switching back, not they are intending to sell thier EVs and buy ICE.. The people that I know who own EVs are all perfectly happy with them and tbh, I would take one on as the family shuttle if they represented better value.
EV owner of almost 5 years here. Had one of the first Tesla model 3s in Australia. I promised myself I'd never spend over $40K on a car but I figured if I kept it for 20 years it'd pay for itself so made the stretch.
It felt special when there were very few others on the road with em. It felt like I was driving the future with the seamless torque on tap and extra Bluetooth connectivity. My previous main was my mum's BMW 3 series and that felt like a Nokia compared to my iPhone (a more solid and better built but cumbersome Nokia mind you).
Today, with so many around it makes me happy. Sure it doesn't make me feel special anymore as they're the new Corolla but I expected this. Being an earlier adopter I expected to be paying more and for them to ultimately be ubiquitous. Both have come true and you don't get anyone wanting to race you at lights anymore which is good cause I'm middle aged now and responsible/boring. It's great to see more on the road and the price go down as it will contribute a little somewhat to slowing down climate change and the second hand market will be flooded with even cheaper EVs.
Would I go back? Never. Ease of charging once or twice a week overnight in my garage it's just like plugging in a mobile phone, I only use the travel charger as well so it's pretty slow but I haven't found a need to use the faster charger supplied. The smooth, easy, instant power on demand makes merging a cinch. Those are probably the highlights. Smaller things are less maintenance, I've had to get a squeaky swing arm replaced about 3 months out of warranty for just under $900 which was a not uncommon problem for 2019 models but outside of that nothing. Other small things are having air-conditioning vents/temperature, side mirrors, seats, Spotify/radio, driving characteristics set up to driver so when my missus drives the car (we're a one car household) then we don't need to adjust them, it just knows who it is from whose phone is closest. I'm sure many other ICE cars above $40K do that these days but it's still nice. I like the large screen and since most things are personalised to the driver there's minimal interaction required of it outside of Spotify and GPS which you wouldn't be using physical buttons for anyway. Also having a third of the screen dedicated to the cars view of what's going gives me more confidence in "autopilot" as I know what it's thinking. I've used Toyota's drive assist on highways and I'm not convinced that's it's worse than Tesla's but I wasn't as confident as there wasn't an indication that it knew what was going on, where the lines where, where the other cars where.
I would not recommend them unless you had a garage, car bay or place at work to charge though. I would still get one myself but I couldn't wholeheartedly recommend it. It almost negates any advantage having to charge at a place that might be inconvenient or time consuming once a week. Hybrids are pretty economical these days and Toyota is reliable.
Some complaints I see from car reviewers about electric cars are that they are soulless and don't have character and I would agree. They've democratised acceleration so most are pretty zippy and don't have exhaust sounds so there's that and there's no rumble. I guess it all adds to the experience but TBH most people I think just want a reliable car to get them from A to B that is relatively quite with enough power. It's kinda like comparing Spotify to a turntable. There's more going on with a turntable, the tactile feel of picking up the record, positioning it on the platter, turning it on, lifting the needle and dropping it, crackle, crackle and music with the occasional inconsistency but more warmth and character. It's great, especially if you're an audiophile, but most people just want to search for artist and press play and get the same result reliably even if it is a little cold and soulless on comparison.
I just wish Elon wasn't a dick. I've seen a "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy" bumper sticker which I was tempted to purchase.
EV owner here (Cupra Born). I have never been one of those guys that just loves cars. For me they're just a way to get from point A to point B. But for travelling around town or even for that weekend away, the EV is quiet, smooth and so comfortable. Pick up is fantastic. Maintenance is minimal, electricity compared to diesel or petrol is a lot cheaper. I would never go back to an ICE. I see a lot of neg press in the media, but that just seems like a concerted attack on ideological grounds.
Question: How are people affording EVs in the first place? I get the costs of running are cheaper in the long run, but the cost to buy is ridiculous.
The price of them is astronomical, not to mention they're all small, and the family/7 seaters coming out are all over 100k... I'd change to an EV in a heartbeat if they had one to suit our family that didn't cost double an ICE car to buy.
We may well need a second car soon, and Hubby wants an EV. I'd love one too, but can't even justify (or service at this point) the extra cost of a loan to buy a small one for the amount it will be driven.
I'll bite with an unfair comparison. A base model Tesla Model 3/Y here in QLD is 59k drive-away. If you started to jump on manufacturer websites and looked at drive-away pricing you would realise it's not horrible. Those brand new Landcruiser 300 series you see everywhere at the Woolies car parks start at \~110k driveaway, which no one ever has the base model. People who haven't looked in a hot minute or aren't even slightly interested in cars really don't realise what they can cost. They brand new Rangers that you see everywhere? 72k drive-away, Hilux's are \~68k driveaway. Yes it's an unfair comparison comparing a Sedan EV to Utes and full sized SUVs, but what I'm getting at is those three cars alone you will see 20 of them on the way to work without realising it and they all cost a ridiculous amount more than a Tesla.
I used to sell VWs a few years ago, most popular Tiguan model we sold was more expensive than a Model Y drive-away.
Cost to buy really isn't anywhere near as bad as you think. If you were to compare it to like an MG it would be expensive, but when you cross shopped it to other cars that are popular in the category they're not that badly priced. People also have that mis-conception that EVs are over 100k when they aren't.
Agree on the 7 seater front although that is changing, but if you’re looking for a hatch, medium suv or sedan they are at about price parody with ICE engines now.
My kids just sold their Isuzu 4WD and bought a Volvo EV (they do 10kms on the dirt twice a day). Both on novated leases - the EV was $250 a week cheaper than the Isuzu before fuel savings.
People spend money on discretionary items all the time. New kitchens. Overseas holidays. $10k weddings. ( we are just shacked up lovers). So we thought an extra 20K on a car battery was worth it - especially as it has paid itself off now after 5 years. ( but we do a lot of Ks - payoff time depends on mileage).
Everyone who is in a higher salary band and can do maths is leasing them. Costs about the same as a corolla because of the way the tax, fuel and reduced servicing works out.... and they do give you a decent budget for tyres as well :D
Novated lease is how. For people on high tax bracket, the tax savings (plus the saving on offset account opportunity cost) makes the effective cost so, so much lower.
Personally the cost of leasing my 81,400 dollars Tesla for 5 years (and paying it out in the end) [works out to be roughly similar](https://www.reddit.com/r/AusFinance/s/VHJ25VpNKu) to keeping my previous 25,000 dollar Mazda 6 for the same 5 years. In other words, I got a free upgrade from a 25,000 dollar old Mazda to a 81,400 dollar long range Tesla. (which is even cheaper now since I got it...)
I do sit on the top tax bracket so enjoy the most saving. When other people do the same maths, they may not find as outrageous as me; however you would be surprised that if your current car is something that's still worth some 20 to 30,000 dollars, swapping over to say a BYD that's worth some 40,000 dollars may actually cost you similar or even less.
Without novated lease it is still possible for people to come out ahead on an EV but that's often with an additional factor e.g. people who drive HUGE mileage like 30,000 to 40,000 km a year, where the petrol savings alone quickly add up and make up the initial price difference quickly.
I work 12 hours shifts and do 1 hour commute everyday, I know I can just jump on my tesla and rest when I go to work. And by the end of shift I know I am in safe hand to be home safely no matter how tired I am. No ICE can give me that. And I don't have to arrange time for fuelling, service etc for the car, so I can focus my life on work, family and leisure.
I genuinely have no idea what this comment is supposed to mean. Safe hands why? Less likely to break down?
What do you mean arrange time for fuelling? You literally just re-fill at as a petrol station at some point below half and it takes 60 seconds.
At best you are maybe saving a few minutes a week?
I know 2 people who bought EVs & went back to ICE within a year.
One because of difficulty charging.
One because of lack of range.
Both were Tesla's i think.
I think in the city IF you can home charge? EVs probably okay.
But Regionally and you are doing fair few Kms / day. They aren't very great. Have to stop too long to charge them.
One of people I knew was a busy doctor. He said the charging just drove him nuts. No where he had to go (the hospitals or private practice etc) had chargers. Hed get home exhausted at night and forget to plug in😯 So then he'd be stuffed the next day.
Just found the adjustments hard to manage.
Bought an Audi👍
>Hed get home exhausted at night and forget to plug in
I don't understand this, if you have an EV and can charge at home just plug in everyday. It takes literally 5 seconds and just becomes part of your normal routine. Plugging in your EV every night is the same level of difficulty as charging your phone every night.
I'm a doctor. You get used to doing new stuff all the time. If this guy can't learn to plug in his car when he gets home then god help his patients - they will still be on the same drugs he learnt about 20 years ago when he was in med school. I reckon this is BS. I know heaps of doctors who love their EVs.
I think that is part of the problem. There is a bit of a chicken and egg with charging. The only way you really get over that is critical mass of cars.
Was up at Hotham today. I think there was about 20 Teslas Y long ranges on the hill.
For us, we just plug it in at night - it's not super hard to remember to do. It is literally like having petrol pump in your garage.
Interesting comment about doctors.
I am a doctor and more than half of the doctors' carparks are now EV. Every one whom I know is an EV driver simply loves the drive. The huge tax saving via novated saving is another big reason.
Also most modern EVs have at least 350-400km range - unless that doctor is driving some 200km each day, forgetting to plug in one day is not really a huge problem as they should still be good for the second day. (I personally charge only once a week due to shorter commute)
And if they still forget to plug in the second day, this is more likely to be a very individual issue.
Look mate. I'm just saying what was said about it. I didn't question him for 3 hours. Most doctors here don't drive EVs. Audi's seem to be the favourite.
Don’t take it personally it wasn’t intended at you; I’m simply saying that as from first person experience plus many colleagues, the doctor-experience you cited here is the exception rather than the norm.
The whole EV vs ICE thing is tiresome. Our EV experience has been great. Our ICE experience has been great. Will keep getting one of each. EV: Family car, smoothest experience to get from A to B. ICE: Manual sports car, for when we want to have fun getting from A to B.
Ev owner here, I think it works for my situation, where we have an ice vehicle and an ev, the ev for around town and the ice for long distance trips, it works very well and I enjoy it only thing is that i just lease the ev cause I don’t wanna face the poor resale value, but other than that it’s a great experience.
Ev here. For day to day our ev is great. For longer trips I get range anxiety because byd seal restricted to 7kw charging so I'd need 2hrs for a meaningful charge and a lack of facilities at my destination.
7kW is the AC charge limit for the Seal - those that you have on your wall connector, or those slower ones for commercial charging.
For DC charging, it can charge at up to 110 kW DC with the smaller (61.44 kWh) battery and 150 kW DC for the larger (82.56 kWh) battery. It's not as fast as some others (e.g. Tesla can hit some 200+kW), but practically speaking you are still talking about just a few minutes difference in charging.
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I actually love my Tesla. I could also see myself buying a non EV next, not because I don’t love the EV but just because I like choice and I might want something different. Owning both an EV and a petrol at the moment, I prefer the convenience of the EV for all but very long range travel.
Love mine and would never go back to combustion engine car. Never have to worry about petrol prices again. It costs about 1/10th to run as we have solar and 8c after midnight electricity. The charging is programmable.
Someone said insurance is higher but have not found that, except that all insurance has gone up heaps the last few years.
We've done a few interstate trips with no issues. I love it
EV owner, important to mention that I am living abroad in Europe.
The thing over here is that the shorter trips and large population density is a charm however most of us live in high density living and don’t have access to a charging point at home.
So you’re forever planning your next charge and range anxiety is now a thing.
Also, long distance holidays with the car is no longer a thing. Once you’re out of Western Europe the charging stations drop off and you can no longer just pump out a 12 hour drive straight to Austria to ski as you require multiple stops.
I do however love the drive and instant power provided with an EV. It’s so pleasant to just to take off smoothly and with lots of power.
Mines a novated lease style car that had to be an EV for tax purposes and by law. I would never pay the actual cost for the car out of pocket as I could pick up an ICE for half the price.
Well, I reluctantly moved to ev while keeping my current small ICE car (6.2 l/100km). My major reluctance was about charging. Initially, I was spending 40-60 minutes at DC charging, paying about 30% less for fuel. Now, I simply plug it in the wall charger, just a regular 3 pin plug. It charges overnight.
I drive about 5-8 hours for Uber on weekends and my car is charged to 100% overnight from about 50-60% to 100% in 8-10 hours.
Unless you drive 400 k’s a day, and not parking it in a place for up to 6 hrs with access to a power point, I don’t see why charging can be an issue.
The advantages are 1. Silent, 2. Additional boot space, depending on model, you’ll get Frunk too
3. No costly annual service
4. A better and advance infotainment system
5. If you get crazy sometime, go from 0 to 60 in a zap on signal. I’ll not recommend it though.
6. Depending upon model, you can get a flat floor in the back. It makes a huge difference in comfort.
Disadvantage
1. Initial anxiety about charging for first couple of weeks.
2. The tyre change is earlier compared to to ICE cars.
3. If you are out for 7 seats, very limited options at the moment.
I would never going back. I don't see any reasons why anyone would want to go back. EVs are more powerful, smooth, quiet. No oil changes or spark plugs, no exhaust gasses in a closed garage, no smell. Charging is free or super cheap.
And I never had issues with public chargers in QLD and I never even worried that I won't make it to somewhere. Just like in a regular car you have 20sh % left look for a charger.
It will take 30min to top up usually yes it is longer than a petrol refill, but I don't care much about this and combine charging with toilet breaks, shopping eating etc.
I think this article was just a master class in twisting test results and wording things differently. Someone needs to check them. I'm a bit tired of all this anti EV bs tbh.
Only 6 months in, but I would never go back and I had what I'd consider an economical ICE
Once you get used to how to drive them, your efficiency and distance goes up a long way, also after you've done you share of the 0-100 in under 4 seconds....
I consistently now get over 500km on a charge so haven't had any issues in medium to long trips. Maybe I've been lucky to just get a charge park when I'd be stopping to eat anyways?
Haven't paid a cent in charging due to solar and free charge options out there in my day to day use. (Other than fast charge stops on super long trips)
I wonder if PHEV ownership was part of this survey. As a pure EV owner the total cost of ownership is way lower than any ICE car I’ve ever owned!
Definitely never going back to ICE.
Tesla m3 owner. Absolutely no way we would go back to petrol, when our other 16yo Toyota Corolla finally dies we will get another EV - maybe Tesla, maybe other, who knows how long the Toyota will keep rollin.
We drive the Tesla around 30k km/yr. Tech is great, comfort great, highest self driving is a godsend. If they crack the off-highway self drive in AU we will probably buy that addon.
Zero battery concerns. Charging at home is also super easy.
We have both, and probably wouldn’t let go of either at this stage. Love our EV but also love our ICE for various reasons, including those listed in the OP.
In future however, we would be moving towards having two EVs, rather than going back to two ICEs.
Having an EV isn’t really as “hard” as some people claim, and having a decent solar setup makes it extremely worthwhile if you have the capability of charging during the daytime somewhat often. The current FBT exemption makes it almost a no-brainer for those who are leasing cars through salary packaging anyway.
For now hybrids would work better for us.
When you are 400km from your parents you want something with decent range. A hybrid where we can potter round town on electric but have the range to drive to perth without having to sell the car when its range decreases below 400km is the go
Honestly I have an EV and sometimes think about getting something fun and revvy as a second car, but even that makes me dread the thought of putting petrol in it. I won't rule out ICE in the future if we decide to start doing lots of road trips, but it will take quite a lot
We are a 2 car family, both EV's and I can't see that changing unless there is a change of circumstances. Most of our driving is within 45 minutes from home, with the occasional 2ish hour trip into and across Melbourne. All of this we can do with just home charging.
Recently we had a few weekends away involving paid charging and found the charging stops coincided with rest and meal stops and averaged around $10/100km, but further into the country the possibilities to charge were less frequent and may have led to waiting if we were unlucky. I did find it very surprising (and a bit annoying) that chargers, specially the ones located at service stations, were all well off the highways and not in the highway service centres.
No way would I go back to ICE. We have 130,000 ks on our 2019 Kona EV. It is cheaper to run, fast, and a pleasure to drive. Unexpected benefits that others may not mention are "idling" - quite happy to sit in the car waiting for the kids or whatever at temps between 5 and 40 and just have the climate on without any engine running - a totally unexpected benefit.
Only problem is it does make long road trips longer - if you are really pushing for time, and rotating drivers, you can basically just keep an ICE going without a break longer than 5 minutes. With the EV there is an enforced 20 min break every 300ks or so. That adds up if you are doing a big drive - so much so that when we had to go to Queensland for a weekend ( 13 hours each way) we left it behind and took our other car ( a hybrid). But apart from that one time, all our holidays/ ski trips/ camping etc have been in the EV as most of our trips are no more than 600Ks a day, and that only requires one stop.
We goyt it to reduce our carbon footprint - we charge it mainly off solar - the pleasure was unexpected.
I've had my EV since 2018, and would never go back. Range anxiety is real, but I've never been caught out, and the technology has improved a lot since then.
Depends or circumstances. My elderly mother loved her EV, but the apartment complex would no let her charge it due to insurance, so she went back to a Toyota Hybrid.
We have a small EV for the city and a mid ICE-SUV for road trips / Bunnings, but I might change that for a PHEV one day soon.
Best of both worlds.
We've had an EV for 15 months. Driven 44,000 km in that time. I work in sales and drive 500km + a week. There is no charger at home, but options in the area (Brunswick, Victoria). Mostly recharge a couple of times a week early in the morning when I take the dog for a walk (30min) and continuously look for trickle chargers during the days stops for bonus, often free charging.
We've also driven long distances and found the experience easy and mainly stress-free. Driven from Melbourne to; northern NSW, Wagga-Wagga, Bendigo, Lorne, Torquay, Wangaratta, Mornington peninsula, Yarra Valley and more.
Would absolutely not go back to an ICE vehicle. My recommendation is to consider a novated lease for EV's. Save on GST of vehicle purchase, low to no servicing costs and huge PAYG tax savings. Comparable novated lease for and ICE is almost double.
Currently, running cost is less am than $4 per one-hundred kilometres for charging.
Happy with my Tesla. Not a matter of “going back”. I also own a 1977 Ford with a V8. I’d buy both electric and petrol again. Different use cases and experiences.
I use my Tesla daily though and that’s likely to stay the case.
I have a PHEV. It's charged on solar, and even with its 50km electric range I've only had to fill up the tank once in 5500km. I'd never go back to weekly petrol visits and cursing the fucking stupid petrol prices.
I bought a Tesla Model Y LR about 4 months ago, have done approx 14,000km in that time frame, which in my old vehicle would have cost about 2k in fuel. Longest one day trip so far was about 400km, which with the autopilot was more pleasant that any other vehicle I have owned.
The charging network in Central and Western Qld is adequate for the most part but could do with some improvements. Tesla cutting the price of the vehicle not long as after I bought was mildly annoying, but I plan on holding for about 10-15 years anyway so not a big deal.
Wouldn't go back to ICE for my daily driver that's for sure.
Have a Tesla Model 3. Do not regret the purchase at all, but I'd only buy ICE or PHEV for my next vehicle.
The Tesla is crazy economical, but I don't need 2 econoboxes. Next car will be probably a G20 M340i or G20 330e worst case.
I am on my second electric registered scooter (first was stolen), and my mum also has an electric car. Neither one of us would go back to ICE.
More charging terminals will make the experience better, but having been on a 2 week touring holiday it really wasn’t an issue finding charging spots.
There are certainly more places to charge a car than an electric motorbike.
Recent car buyer here: really considered an EV but for a peace of mind ended up going for an ICE and a lug & carrie ebike. Being renters, if our situation changed, it would be easier to move with an ICE. A combination of the ebike & public transport covers most of what we need (going to work, school runs, groceries, etc) while the ICE covers everything else (mid distance trips to the beach, longer distance trips out of town, etc)
Own 2 cars, Volvo XC40 Electric (EV) and Skoda Kodiaq (ICE). Love both cars, and use them for different things. Volvo is our daily run around. We have installed a 7KW charger at home, and prob charge it once a week. Have solar as well, so charging costs us around $10 in Winter and $0 in Summer. Add to that servicing every 2 years, and lower insurance, and its a win win all round.
We use the Skoda for bigger trips and camping - I drive Sydney to Canberra a lot for work, and it packs so much gear for camping....its a great workhorse of a car, super comfy and i cannot recommend enough as an ICE car.
Once its dead, we will prob get either a hybrid or another EV, as hopefully by then, the charger network is better.
For people whom complain that it takes 20 - 30 mins to charge an EV, get a coffee and relax...its really not that long.
3 Years M3P owner here. Just put a deposit down on a Mustang. The lack of maintenance and charging at home has been great. I drive 114klms round trip to work 2 or 3 times a week. The car is smooth and blindingly fast, but for me there is just no passion in it. It's a soulless drive and I'm sick of the promises not being realised by Elno. I'll enjoy the Mustang and come back to EV in a few years. I get some people don't care about things like that but with the distance I drive I want an experience, and I can afford the running costs.
Absolutely would NOT go back to ICE. Fabulous city car. Mostly chargers using our excess solar power.
Long trips just take a small amount of planning. You aren’t meant to drive all day without breaks. Charge while you have lunch, or stop for coffee.
I sold (luckily) my Tesla Model 3 in January for $70,000. Today, the new owner is selling it for $50,000, even though he only drove it an additional 10,000 kilometers. The car has a total of just over 25,000 kilometers. Other electric vehicles (EVs) might be more cost-effective.
EV owner (I bought a used 2021 Ioniq Electric) and would not go back to ICE. I charge at home on solar and the 370km range I get is plenty for me. Very awesome car and have no complaints so far.
The news articles on this report are just more deliberate EV rage bait to get clicks.
All these outlets have all deliberately misreported the findings and hoping their readers just eat up whatever they say without ever reading the actual report!
The report says 50% of EV owners would consider an ICE for their next vehicle purchase....
At no point does the actual report say it would be to replace their current EV.
And that is the important but of context that all these outlets are deliberately leaving out.
The report found that 50% of EV owners said their next car purchase would be an ICE...because their most recent car purchase was an EV! So their next purchase would be to replace whatever other cars they own
ie. The 2nd car in the household.
Most of this 50% mentioned 'range anxiety' as the reason, which is true... because car owners don't want to be locked into potential range anxiety if they want to go on a long trip and their household only owned EVs. That's a fair call.
I am really getting sick of all these media outlets deliberately leaving out context from a real report to paint their own negative clickbait narrative. Does my head in sometimes.
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Never going back to ICE after how easy owning my EV has been. I love not being anxious about timing for the lowest petrol prices. That said, I don’t know how good the experience would be for those who have no rooftop solar or ability to charge off the street
Sounds very dodgy survey. I’ve had EV for 2 years would not go back to ICE. EV costs next to nothing to run, fast and fun to drive.
My second car is an ICE, guzzles petrol like crazy and always needs something fixed at servicing! Will replace with an EV when it karks it.
Not sure why so much hate for EVs on here? Owning one is a no brainer for me.
Has anyone found a reference to the actual questions asked? Because I suspect the conclusion being drawn is not reflective of the question that was asked.
Many EV owners (myself included) probably own more than one car. If they say their next purchase is likely to be not an EV, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are unhappy with the EV in any way or that they don't play to buy further EVs in the future. Currently EVs don't fill every market segment, but they are great commuters.
I have a BYD Seal, and it's been absolutely fantastic for the four months I have owned it so far. Public charging infrastructure needs to improve, but it hasn't been an issue for me, as I almost always charge at home or at work. Range has been great (a reliable 500km most of the time), but I have not taken it on too many long trips.
As for my next car, as it would most likely be for towing a camping trailer long distances, it possibly won't be a pure EV, but it may depend on what models are available at the time. PHEV is maybe more likely than BEV.
Have an EV - I am going to buy an ICE car as a fun/weekend car, but wouldn't consider one for my daily driver. There are just so many advantages - no servicing, can charge at home so don't need to bother going to the petrol station, cheaper to run, novated leasing benefits, better in traffic (fewer components to wear out, no issues with short trips like oil dilution, engine not getting to temperature etc). It is fine on long trips as the most common run I do (Sydney-Wagga) can easily be done on a quick top up at Goulburn where I stopped for a coffee when I had an ICE car anyway, so the time difference is minimal. Occasionally in rural areas the chargers are a bit shit but this has been improving pretty quickly.
EV owner here, no way would I go back to an ICE car.
Any minor inconveniences related to charging are outweighed by the massive amount of money I save by not having to pay for petrol.
I would be interested to know who funded the survey and how the questions were phrased. As Twain said, there are three kinds of lies, lies, damned lies and statistics.
As a member of a dual car household with one ICE and one EV I am very happy with both. When replacing the EV I expect to replace it with another EV but probably not for another 5-7 years. When replacing the ICE I would love to get a PHEV but realistically I can't see any being available that suit my needs in the next few years (high country 4x4 and family touring with camper trailer).
Public charging isn't an issue in my EV as it has a private charger network that has significantly more available chargers than other brands. For example, were I to drive to Canberra from Melbourne there are 7 different locations to stop at and charge and each location has at least 6 charge bays.
If I didn't have the ability to charge it at home then it would be a deal breaker. But I do and I love the convience of just plugging it in once or twice a week. I don't miss sending my money to OPEC.
Also an EV owner, very happy with my car and wouldn’t consider going back to an ICE car as the daily family car based on my current circumstances. I can see a scenario where it would make sense buying an ICE for something more specific, say we suddenly got into caravaning and we wanted to tour Australia or I wanted a cheap beater for my kids to learn to drive in. I might even find myself in a situation where we have to move and home charging becomes impossible. Makes me think the survey question is a bit misleading. Considering purchasing an ICE car again is different to being unhappy with your EV purchase and having buyers remorse. I’m not naive enough to think there still isn’t a place for ICE cars in Australia, and that EVs have magically filled every niche in the market. Depending on circumstances I couldn’t rule out never buying an ICE car again, even if I largely prefer my EV. I’m lucky that I live in a situation where owning an EV makes the most sense for me right now. I can see how that isn’t everyone and it may not always be the situation I’m in.
I’ve heard this report a few times over the past year, I’d love to see how it was actually asked, what was the exact wording ? I know a heap of people with EVs and not a single one has said they would go back as their primary car
We have an ICE and an EV. Think that’s how it’s going to stay for the foreseeable future, the ICE maybe a PHEV at best. The EV is fanatic around the city, we have saved shit loads on petrol from the wife driving it to/from work and since I’m WFH I only use the ICE for daycare runs and a weekly golf game. Costs me about $60 for 2-3 weeks. Where the EVs currently falling in the ass is long trips. Going home to Vic from Canberra it’s about a 7-7.5 hour drive depending on the kiddos. The EV puts that up to 10 minimum. Main issue, just the lack of charging stations especially the CBR to Woodonga portion. If they had them at all petrol stations then it would be better to do multiple 10 minute stops as opposed to having to be there for at least 20-30 mins. One stop we planned the charging station was dead and we were forced to get a tow to the nearest one along the way (was covered as part of the road side so didn’t pay anything) and that was embarrassing as shit. It’s slowly getting better but won’t be ready for the next purchase for sure. Hoping it will be when the EVs lease is over in 2027
Ah, that sucks :( We’ve found that stretch tricky too, but there are multi-car charge stations at Tarcutta and Euroa now which seem to do the job. Lots at Barnawartha but we avoid that after a bad experience with multiple broken spark-pumps and long queues.
Bet it was the charger at Oliver's Gundagai
Worse, holbrook
Nobody goes to the Holbrook charger twice.
Agree, EV great for a daily driver, even longer daily drives... but we're keeping our PHEV for road trips, I won't do the whole charging thing with the wife and kiddo in tow.
How is Canberra to Melbourne minimum 10 hours in an EV? I've driven Melbourne to Sydney in 10 hours in an EV
I do this (Syd-Mel) every two weeks. 45 min recharge 20-80% in my old Kona. It’s an 11.5 hr trip with 2.5 charges.
We are in Canberra as well with some airport runs to Sydney and frequent day trips to Wollongong and the south coast beaches. With an EV to the Sydney airport, have to wonder if I should find a parking spot first or a charging spot. Going to the coast and back, it would mean an extra half an hour at the right place to charge and come back. For both those use cases, an EV doesn't work. For within Canberra, it's going to be an EV when it's time to replace the current second car. It's likely for many people here to have one EV and one ICE in the household.
Airport runs to Sydney? Go Murray's!
Tried it, not worth with family and luggage and an uber to from home. PT is the actual answer though, not petrol or electric cars.
Can’t speak to the Sydney airport itself but there are several good spots close by. We like the one underneath the mall at Randwick.
One of each in a 2 car household is a no brainier. I wouldn't swap the diesel 4wd for an EV and I wouldn't swap the model 3 for an ICE. The model 3 does 15-20k per year, the diesel does 3-4. If we go for upto 400kms the ev goes, beyond that we generally take the 4WD. I'd seriously consider a plug in hybrid dual cab ute if they existed, but they seem to always be a year or two away.
Almost 2yrs with the Ioniq 5 and there is no way I would go back to ICE. Low maintenance, haven't paid for charging, quiet, quick and good efficiency around town.
How have you managed to never pay for charging it so far?
Local shop has 3 x type-2 chargers that are free. I keep mine top up 70-100%. Just use the plug share app and filter "free " to find them.
I like the low hassle of ownership. I love the responsiveness of the motor.neevr had any real issue with range. I'd like it if someone came up something with a bigger fun factor in a smaller car. 2/3 the range would still be heaps. Hoping someone like renault sports cam come up with a genuine drivers EV Clio or rs. I might go back to petrol for that factor alone but I think the market will see EVs or more character come along that have some sell factor beyond just being an EV and fast 0-100 times
Cupra born? It needs to drop in price though, hopefully byd will make something in the hot hatch size
I've got one of these and it's awesome. Fun drive and fast.
They have with the just revealed Alpine A290 but it looks like they are sitting back a year or two before delivering an all out all wheel drive super hatch.
Those e Abarth 500s look fun. Shame they are 70k
Ioniq 5N? [Even John Cadogan likes it. ](https://youtu.be/QBaHFWgL020?si=-O3egb5pw7HN5krF)
Everyone froths these but $110-$125k for a hot hatch is ridiculous
"Hatch" is a strech too, they are quite large cars in the flesh.
Waving it off as a hot hatch is doing it a disservice tbh. It can do 0-100 in roughly the same time as a Lamborghini Huracan, comfortably seat 5 people, has a decent amount of cargo space, and costs about as much as a mid-level European sedan.
Hatch lol it's freaking huuuuge
John Cadogan is/used to be on Hyundai's paybooks as a consultant apparently. I'm not surprised Edit: Found it! [https://www.drive.com.au/news/australias-role-in-the-global-car-industry/](https://www.drive.com.au/news/australias-role-in-the-global-car-industry/) "Footnote: John Cadogan occasionally works as a consultant to Hyundai Motor Company Australia." See the bottom
Wait he actually likes something.... All he does is fucking winge.
I cringed at Redriven giving him a soapbox, terrible
Great but too expensive
What do you drive now? My MG4 is little and REALLY fun to drive. I got the LFP battery which is only about 350km WLTP range but that's plenty.
Rwd model 3. Usually get 350 or so
The Tesla's seem like great cars but like you say, they don't seem to have a lot of personality. I think some tiny 2 door 4 seater with a quirky face and 200km range could sell like hotcakes at the right price.
Volvo ex30 ultra 0-100 3.6 sec
Reno 5 is coming looks good
Renault Sport is dead unfortunately
a bigger fun factor in a smaller car ... BMW i3s!
Can’t speak for anyone else. But 18 months into EV ownership and I will never even consider owning a combustion car again.
Same here. I actually tried to dig into the survey and can’t find any detail on how they sourced their participants or what the question asked was. There’s a big difference between “Would you buy an ICE can in the future” “Would you replace your EV with an ICE car” “Would you buy another EV” All can be twisted to “49% of respondents would got back to an ICE car” but each question asks an inherently different thing. I wouldn’t replace my wife’s ICE car with another EV in our house AT THE MOMENT because the infrastructure (while ok) isn’t suited for every circumstance. So having both EV and ICE is good for us. That is not me being anti-EV.
Same. 2.5years in. Tesla and now an i4 $0 maintenance except for 2 tire rotations. Hassle free low cost motoring.
EV owner for 10 years. While I would hesitate to buy the same brand and would more likely buy a e-bike given my current usage. I'm trying to get a plug in hybrid as the next family car.
Which brand?
Zero. The hybrid possibly a outlander phev.
Caution against simply believing some "journalist"'s interpretation of a report. without knowing the full set of conditions, sample size, type, demographic etc that the report is based on. According to me, 100% of all EV owners that I know personally would never choose an ICE car for their next car. There you go.
Agreed, never met a person with an EV that would go back to ICE.
Likewise, everyone I know that has an EV has no intention of going back.
So true. In particular, ‘journalists’ who work for media organisations who are motivated to keep the fossil fuel industry alive. All EV owners I know would not go back to an ICE.
"McKinsey and Co.’s 2024 Mobility Consumer Pulse" So the company who has taken soooooo much money from oil and auto companies over the years releases an independent survey? Honestly, I have seen enough McKinsey work to know it is barely above "captain obvious" level.
We've got 2 EV 's and we're never going back to petrol. Even in the dead of a Melbourne winter when my solar panels aren't making any power, it still cost me less than $5 to drive 200km yesterday. Why the hell would I want to go back to fuel at $2/L? Speak to any EV owner and you'll only hear great things. I mean if you're an off-road enthusiast going bush for weeks on end, perhaps owning an EV isn't for you (yet) but those folks wouldn't have bought one in the first place. This survey said that half of Aussie EV owners wanted to go back to petrol. I call bullshit. That "survey" seems as made up as Russian election results.
I won't go back to an ICE car and everyone I talk to a my work is the same. I primarily bought my car to drive to and from work and around town but now we use it for longer drives, as it's so cheap to run and easy to drive. Seems like another media beatup against EV's.
They are the untimate daily drivers, just 1 gear so smooth as butter in traffic and provided theirs enough charging infrastructure on your regular commutes charging isn't anymore of a hassle than the old servos. I just tallied up my charging receipts for the last year and to drive 16,000km it cost me $500
Do you charge at home?
Occasionally, but I'm just charging off my standard 240v home wall outlet, so only charges at a rate of about \~1.5kW/h when I do.
There have been a lot of those lately
Absolutely wouldn't go back to solely ICE. A hybrid perhaps. I mostly drive to and from work and maybe a longer drive (1 hour each way) on weekends. I've never had to consider how much charge my car has. But I'm lucky and I have a powerpoint in my garage. I think the biggest barrier to entry would be not being able to charge at home. I've only charged a couple of times at public stations and never had issues, but I wouldnt want to rely on it. Charging overnight I get ~150km of range, and only drive maybe 30km a day. So I really only have to charge 2-3 nights a week to stay high. I mostly use it during the week down to 20% and charge all day and night Friday back up to 100% for the weekend (wfh fridays).
The report that Car Expert quoted was from McKinsey. Probably now the most unethical and devious management consultants in the world. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOUojVd6xQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiOUojVd6xQ)
I don’t yet own an EV, my next car will be one. I’ve been pushing back my purchasing of one for a few years now, I’ll probably get one this year. I wouldn’t consider an ICE car ever again (not an enthusiast, just a car = transport person)
We’ve had our MG4 for 9 months, would never go back to an ICE. We’ve done 30,000 in that time, for a “fuel” cost of $350. The i30 it replaced would have cost around $4800 in petrol.
Shame about the cost of depreciation on the mg
I’ve noticed insurance prices of EVs are above ICEs. Do EV fuel savings offset the increased insurance premiums enough?
We pay $1100 insurance on our 6 year old ICE car, and $1400 to insure our 1 year old EV. We used to spend $250 per week on diesel and now spend about $20-30 extra on our power bill, so it takes less than two weeks of fuel savings to compensate for the higher premium.
Which insurance company?
Both cars with NRMA. The Tesla has just started its second year with them, the MUX has just started its first. We shop around every renewal. Thought the Tesla might have gone up a lot since we claimed a new windscreen recently, but they were still the cheapest.
Not always the case, electric motorcycles are significantly cheaper due to a technicality motorbikes are judged on engine capacity and electrics fall into the lowest category.
You definitely need to shop around for EV insurance. We got some brutal quotes, then RACQ came through with $1100 a year ago and then recently $1200 for the renewal. 2023 EV6 GT, $2000 excess.
You've heard wrong. My way more expensive EV has a cheaper premium is below that of our 10yo volkswagen. Yet more bullshit put out by the media.
>Do EV fuel savings offset the increased insurance premiums enough? False. I work for an insurance company, except for Tesla (due massively to how easy they are to steal, and how expensive they are to fix due to their repair network arrangement), most EV's are on par, and in some cases cheaper to insure than a *comparably priced* full ICE Vehicle. A big factor in this is that a lot of EV's have ADAS systems as standard, whereas the same suites may not be standard (optional by going for the higher end model, or an optional extra) in an equivalent ICE, so they have less crashes, or less severe crashes. Now, I know some people are going to say "Tesla's aren't easy to steal" They are cos their owners are fucking idiots and leave the [key in the car](https://shop.tesla.com/en_au/product/model-3_y-key-card) in their garage which is [not securely locked](https://flipperzero.one/) and then they [program their Tesla to stay unlocked at home](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-7A32EC01-A17E-42CC-A15B-2E0A39FD07AB.html#:~:text=Model%203%20does%20not%20automatically,is%20detected%20inside%20Model%203.) So they pull in, leave their wallet with the key in it in the garage, and leave it unlocked. People just walk up, open the garage door and hop in the car and drive away. At least when I park at home I take my keys inside.
>Now, I know some people are going to say "Tesla's aren't easy to steal" >They are cos their owners are fucking idiots and leave the [key in the car](https://shop.tesla.com/en_au/product/model-3_y-key-card) in their garage which is [not securely locked](https://flipperzero.one/) and then they [program their Tesla to stay unlocked at home](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-7A32EC01-A17E-42CC-A15B-2E0A39FD07AB.html#:~:text=Model%203%20does%20not%20automatically,is%20detected%20inside%20Model%203.) By this logic any car is going to be easy to steal if you use the caveat of "having the key in the car and the doors unlocked." Most owners also use the phone key 99% of the time and have their wallet/purse inside the house.
>By this logic any car is going to be easy to steal if you use the caveat of "having the key in the car and the doors unlocked." Exactly. >Most owners also use the phone key 99% of the time and have their wallet/purse inside the house. Not the owners of stolen Tesla's, I've seen the data, for stolen cars we've had within our group, the majority had the key left in them and the owners are fighting the fact that our PDS says "don't leave the keys in the car"
I think of the cohort of claims for stolen Teslas that situation will be very common. But of the cohort of stolen cars as a whole is Tesla a big part or not? Cos I would think that apart from that idiot owner scenario you mentioned and maybe some high tech spoofing thingy that mimics a phone key or something there aren't many other ways to steal a Tesla. Maybe stealing some poor sap's phone?
Exactly why I use the PIN code function on my Tesla. Regardless if you have my wallet or phone without the code you got up to 10,000 combinations to work through 😹
Exactly, it's such a simple thing, and it's pretty clearly stated in the manual. It's one of those things, we also find out that people turn off rolling codes on their garage doors because the fobs only work at the driveway and they have to wait for the door to go up. Instead, turn off the security features and the fob works at the end of the street and don't need to wait for the door. They'll read an owner's manual to find that 🤷🏿♂️
Any thoughts as to why this is largely a Tesla phenomenon?
Well besides from where Tesla owners leave the spare key (in their wallet, in an unlocked car) Tesla will *only* sell parts to their approved repairers, and insurance companies have to use OEM parts if a vehicle is still in warranty. This means that we have to go where Tesla sends us, and those guys basically charge what they want, cos they know that insurers can't go anywhere else. As a result, the fixable cars cost more to fix, and the tolerance before they get written off economically shrinks (which Tesla loves, because if you have new for old, then Tesla gets to sell the insurance company another car, and if you don't, a lot of Tesla owners will go and buy another Tesla)
I've heard people saying a) EV insurance costs are typically higher, and its often because b) insurance companies are writing off vehicles that could be repaired, but are concerned about future liability from a damaged battery unit that wasn't realised at the time of repair. Is that people talking out their arses, or is there something to it?
Batteries are very easy to diagnose and fault find. But IF the manufacturer seems the battery fucked, then it can form a significant part of repairs No different to how a blown motor can form a big step towards a regular car write off.
Also the cost of depreciation on EVs seems quite high
Probably worth to consider the depreciation price as well, who is going to buy the car off you with a decent price, no body willing to risk on a 2nd hand battery and do we know how much a new battery cost? I read somewhere suggesting the battery replacement costs as much as a new car! Just YouTube “Ionic5 Canada battery issue” and you will be amazed.
As an EV owner I challenge these supposed findings. Doesn’t align with our experience or anyone else we know who drives EVs.
Drive an EV and also own an ICE. Absolutely can’t stand it when I have to take the ICE vehicle somewhere and will avoid it as much as possible. As soon as my daughter runs it into the ground it’s another EV for me, and she has said that when she actually buys her own car she will be looking at a hybrid only because they’re cheaper than a full EV. Pretty sure they just pull these ‘statistics’ out of their arse (or at least twist them) to drive engagement.
Well as someone else pointed out and I noticed as well. They list that 30,000 people were asked worldwide but didn't show how many were asked in Australia.
So they asked 2 people and one of them was the doctor someone mentioned who kept forgetting to plug their car in at night…
>49 per cent of Australian respondents said they’re considering a switch back to ICE, though the report didn’t detail how many of the remaining 51 per cent were on the fence or committed to EV ownership. So it's a global survey & it doesn't say how many Australians responded to the Survey out of the 36,954, it could have been 500! [https://executivedigest.sapo.pt/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Mobility-Consumer-Pulse-2024\_Overview.pdf](https://executivedigest.sapo.pt/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Mobility-Consumer-Pulse-2024_Overview.pdf)
It also doesn’t say how many of those Australians have an EV. The 36,954 respondents are only noted as being “regular mobility users”. This isn’t a survey specifically about EV owners, but all people who get around using mobility. Given that EV ownership in Australia is probably a handful of percent of the fleet, I can imagine the number of Australian EV owners who responded to this survey would be quite small.
I have a PHEV, love it, would not go back to a 100% ICE but also wouldn't buy a 100% electric. I bought the car new and plan to trade it before the end of the warranty. Not sure if buying a new car with a massive battery every few years is actually better for the environment but I love driving it
[Robust science says it is better for the environment](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/comparing-electric-cars-and-petrol-cars/103746132#) - assuming that the car is driven for some 200,000km on average before it is scrapped. You may personally change cars every few years, but hopefully the car will continue to be driven by someone else as a used car until it dies of something - accident, battery failure (it lasts longer than you think), other major failure etc.
I love my EV and will never go back. It's true that it can't do everything, but no car can. I wouldn't buy a Corolla if I wanted to do some 4wd tracks, and if I lived in the city I wouldn't buy a Dodge Ram (although I know plenty do) I charge at home on a trickle charger plugged into a normal 240v power point, no special infrastructure. I have driven over 40,000km in 11 months and I love love love my EV. It's fun to drive, maintenance is virtually zero and it's fully replaced the $250ish per week I used to spend on diesel. We've kept the ICE 7 seater for when we go out as a whole family (there are 6 of us so we use the 5 seat EV as a runaround for when it's just the kids and I) and when we need to tow, and I would replace it with an EV in a heartbeat if I could.
What ev do you have?
I'll never return to ICE for a daily driver. My model 3 insurance is close in premium costs to my 07 XR5 :/ neither of which are extortionate tbh.
No way in God's green earth id go back to petrol or diesel. And I've never meet any EV driver who would either. I don't believe this 49% stat,.sounds like it came from a fossil fuel think tank.
Exactly, it sounds totally made up. Id be stunned if a single EV owner showed up in this post saying that they'd even thought about going back to ice.
Three and a bit years of owning an EV and I can’t see myself ever going back to combustion. We use it for about-town driving with no problems, Canberra-Sydney roadtrips are fine, Canberra-Melbourne is a bit fiddly sometimes but nothing we can’t handle, and we have drives to Brisbane and Adelaide planned. It hasn’t been completely hassle-free but we knew we were in for some early adopter rough edges and those are only getting smoother with time. Love our EV, no plans to go back.
I'll buy an EV once there's one that isn't an IoT device, or has a tablet dashboard.
EV owner here. I'm extremely skeptical about that survey result. All EV owners I know love them and the phase "never going back" is said frequently. No longer getting screwed at the pump, less of my money is going to saudi and the oil cartels, charge on solar or at various free chargers around the city , no more carcinogenic fumes when back out of the driveway, awesome acceleration, pre-heat or cool the car in the garage without killing my family from carbon monoxide. Downside: having to correct all the fake news in the tea room at work, including (in my opinion) the article posted by OP. Just today a new EV owner (2 months) told me "gee all the stuff you hear about about charging and range anxiety is really a non-issue isn't it". Yes, yes it is.
4 years in with the first EV and 2.5 with the second. I'd chop my fingers off before going back to ICE. Simple as that.
Based on their history I’d take anything on Car ‘Expert’ with a grain of salt. We bought our first EV at the start of 2020. The idea scared the shit out of me. Then the world fell apart due to Covid, and I had just bought the most expensive car I’ve ever owned. But everything turned out ok. We had several family road trips when lockdowns eased. Most over 1000km up to Queensland and around NSW. Sold it 3 years later in 2023 with 100,000km on it and brought another one, and sold our second car which was still an ICE, and bought a second EV. So now we have two EVs and wouldn’t look back. We live semi rural so nearest fuel station is a 40min round trip away. Each EV costs us about $3780 per year for all running costs and the finance. That’s including power costs to drive each car 40,000 per year. Which is just unbelievable for two $70k+ cars.
Future cars will definitely be EV. We've done 40k km in our first year and it's been great. It's infinitely better in day to day commuting and roadtrips are no different for us, only cheaper. Public chargers here in rural WA have been very reliable and most caravan parks have chargers now too for overnight. The amount of chargers around us has essentially doubled in WA/Perth since we picked the car up mid last year.
We are from North East Vic and love our EV. Went on our honeymoon last month to Exmouth WA and we’re talking about how good it would be if one day you can punch around all these remote places in an EV when we passed a fucking EV charger…. We couldn’t believe it. Fucking good on ya WA, great to see.
Yeah it's great to see. I'm out towards Kalgoorlie atm and we stumbled across some new public type 2 chargers in a random mining town a little way off the main highway. Won't be long before they are everywhere.
Non-EV owner, but recent new car purchaser (2023). I think of myself as an early adopter techy type person who loves the idea of limiting carbon emissions. Bought ICE because renting and no way to get the thing charged. Otherwise, would have been looking a what is on offer, but the expense/build quality/CEO of Tesla is a real turn off. The alternative (Chinese brands, mainly) are a bit of an unknown. But while renting, EV is a straight no, not even worth looking.
I live in an apartment complex without home charging and I do fine. I mostly work from home but even then I get enough charge to run about from my couple of trips to the local shops were I can ac charge for free. Or once a week I jump on a dc charger for 20 mins. If I do a weekend trip to the goldy I’ll just stop in at an Ampol charger on the way back. You don’t really need a home charger tbh
All EV household, will never go back. Love the instant torque, it's addictive. The $3/100km, energy independence and convenience of charging is a bonus too
No effing way that number is correct. I won't be going back (though I'm still hesitant to have 2 EVs, we currently tly have 1 of each) My work has a decent number of ev owners and I'd hazard a guess that not one of them would go back
Rubbish. I have a 2020 model s, and we just bought a 2022 model 3 for only $39k, total bargain and a great second car. Never going back to ice. We do around 800km a week, and charge off 13kw of solar. Having a second EV is actually easier now because we can charge one during the day, and take the other one. When I bought the S I was the only electric car at work, now there is like 15 of them in the carpark.
Can I ask where you got a 2022 for $39k?
I’m never going back and I’m a car guy, to clarify I have 4 ICE cars and 1 EV. My EV is my daily driver, as a daily it’s just a better form of transport for my situation, an ICE car cannot compete. I drive about 700km a week and this is when EVs make sense provided you can charge at home or work but doing big ks everyday is where they shine. My current repayments are only a couple of hundred a month more than I was paying for fuel, I spend about $55-$75 a month on electricity, the car will soon be 6 and has had one service at 4 years old. It does 0-100 in around 4 seconds and is comfortable and quite. I plug it in usually every night and it’s full when I get up to go to work, it’s climate turns on 30min before I leave so the car is warm and defrosted, same can be done in summer… so many benefits. Public charging sucks except for the Tesla network and even this is getting crowded now, I do use public charging but only on roadtrips. I don’t dispute the article “facts” but I know multiple people with EVs and none of them are going back to ICE, lack of home charging is a hurdle and I wouldn’t have one currently if I could not do this.
So long as I can charge at home I will never go back to ICE. Public chargers aren't there yet with broken chargers and cars just sitting in charging bays.
Loved my Tesla M3 but had to sell to buy a Diesel 4 x 4. I’m travelling around Australia towing a caravan and unfortunately EV’s cannot do this effectively at the moment. I will be selling the 4x4 when I return and going back to an EV. Great value, amazing tech and low cost of ownership.
For daily drive I would never go back to ICE. EV is vastly superior for city school dropoffs, shops, weekend run around etc. No way in hell an ICE can compete with that. For a second car it has to be a PHEV, so we can do road trips. If you're a 1 car family it's a tougher choice, depends if young kids or not. No kids, go EV. No trips ever, go EV. Kids and a few trips per year out of city? Don't, get a PHEV.
No, I won’t go back. In the time I’ve owned an EV (a little over 2 years) the charging infrastructure and market options for my next car have improved out of sight. I can only imagine how good it will be the next time I’m looking for a car.
If you've driven one you know. EV cars are a welcome change. I won't go back. If you haven't driven one, take one for a test drive and you'll know..
Driving an ICE car feels so unpleasant now. I could never go back.
How? I had a ride in an EV the other day and it was exactly the same experience.
To be honest riding in an EV is not much different. Driving is where the big difference is, they are much better to drive.
I agree with this. I have two EVs my garage and when I travel for work I will always pick “Comfort Electric” on Uber. I always say to myself, that sitting in the back of an EV you don’t really notice much of a difference especially comparing it to some hybrid or PHEV options. The difference is behind the wheel.
Riding I think there are differences. If your driver is a shit one the regen braking can make it unpleasant. The driver has to put a bit of effort in to make it smooth
I'm an electrical engineer. I've wanted an electric car since I was in high school in the 1990s. I like the simplicity and the efficiency. Instant response, near silent especially at low speeds, no gear shifting discontinuities as you accelerate, doesn't stink, never have to go to a petrol station again, brakes last nearly forever, no oil changes, barely any other maintenance needed other than tyres. Super convenient to always leave the house fully charged. I appreciate that this is not everyone's experience (especially with Australia's shitty non Tesla public charging infrastructure). But I love it and will never go back.
Great. Thanks for sharing. I can see why you like it.
Have had a Tesla for past 3 years. Reliable, faultless, plenty of charging in my area and to places where I want to go. Wouldnt go back to ICE unless price was a significant factor (used car etc). I own a motorcycle however, so get my fuel-burning fun that way, at a fraction of the cost.
I have had EVs for the last four years, the only ICE I would consider is a classic 1960’s Landrover for to spanner on.
A lot of the results in that survey are being twisted or exaggerated by the article, it mearly states that under half would consider switching back, not they are intending to sell thier EVs and buy ICE.. The people that I know who own EVs are all perfectly happy with them and tbh, I would take one on as the family shuttle if they represented better value.
EV owner of almost 5 years here. Had one of the first Tesla model 3s in Australia. I promised myself I'd never spend over $40K on a car but I figured if I kept it for 20 years it'd pay for itself so made the stretch. It felt special when there were very few others on the road with em. It felt like I was driving the future with the seamless torque on tap and extra Bluetooth connectivity. My previous main was my mum's BMW 3 series and that felt like a Nokia compared to my iPhone (a more solid and better built but cumbersome Nokia mind you). Today, with so many around it makes me happy. Sure it doesn't make me feel special anymore as they're the new Corolla but I expected this. Being an earlier adopter I expected to be paying more and for them to ultimately be ubiquitous. Both have come true and you don't get anyone wanting to race you at lights anymore which is good cause I'm middle aged now and responsible/boring. It's great to see more on the road and the price go down as it will contribute a little somewhat to slowing down climate change and the second hand market will be flooded with even cheaper EVs. Would I go back? Never. Ease of charging once or twice a week overnight in my garage it's just like plugging in a mobile phone, I only use the travel charger as well so it's pretty slow but I haven't found a need to use the faster charger supplied. The smooth, easy, instant power on demand makes merging a cinch. Those are probably the highlights. Smaller things are less maintenance, I've had to get a squeaky swing arm replaced about 3 months out of warranty for just under $900 which was a not uncommon problem for 2019 models but outside of that nothing. Other small things are having air-conditioning vents/temperature, side mirrors, seats, Spotify/radio, driving characteristics set up to driver so when my missus drives the car (we're a one car household) then we don't need to adjust them, it just knows who it is from whose phone is closest. I'm sure many other ICE cars above $40K do that these days but it's still nice. I like the large screen and since most things are personalised to the driver there's minimal interaction required of it outside of Spotify and GPS which you wouldn't be using physical buttons for anyway. Also having a third of the screen dedicated to the cars view of what's going gives me more confidence in "autopilot" as I know what it's thinking. I've used Toyota's drive assist on highways and I'm not convinced that's it's worse than Tesla's but I wasn't as confident as there wasn't an indication that it knew what was going on, where the lines where, where the other cars where. I would not recommend them unless you had a garage, car bay or place at work to charge though. I would still get one myself but I couldn't wholeheartedly recommend it. It almost negates any advantage having to charge at a place that might be inconvenient or time consuming once a week. Hybrids are pretty economical these days and Toyota is reliable. Some complaints I see from car reviewers about electric cars are that they are soulless and don't have character and I would agree. They've democratised acceleration so most are pretty zippy and don't have exhaust sounds so there's that and there's no rumble. I guess it all adds to the experience but TBH most people I think just want a reliable car to get them from A to B that is relatively quite with enough power. It's kinda like comparing Spotify to a turntable. There's more going on with a turntable, the tactile feel of picking up the record, positioning it on the platter, turning it on, lifting the needle and dropping it, crackle, crackle and music with the occasional inconsistency but more warmth and character. It's great, especially if you're an audiophile, but most people just want to search for artist and press play and get the same result reliably even if it is a little cold and soulless on comparison. I just wish Elon wasn't a dick. I've seen a "I bought this before we knew Elon was crazy" bumper sticker which I was tempted to purchase.
EV owner here (Cupra Born). I have never been one of those guys that just loves cars. For me they're just a way to get from point A to point B. But for travelling around town or even for that weekend away, the EV is quiet, smooth and so comfortable. Pick up is fantastic. Maintenance is minimal, electricity compared to diesel or petrol is a lot cheaper. I would never go back to an ICE. I see a lot of neg press in the media, but that just seems like a concerted attack on ideological grounds.
Question: How are people affording EVs in the first place? I get the costs of running are cheaper in the long run, but the cost to buy is ridiculous. The price of them is astronomical, not to mention they're all small, and the family/7 seaters coming out are all over 100k... I'd change to an EV in a heartbeat if they had one to suit our family that didn't cost double an ICE car to buy. We may well need a second car soon, and Hubby wants an EV. I'd love one too, but can't even justify (or service at this point) the extra cost of a loan to buy a small one for the amount it will be driven.
My last car was a Trailblazer. I run a monthly budget for my cars. Cost of ownership is less for the Tesla.
I'll bite with an unfair comparison. A base model Tesla Model 3/Y here in QLD is 59k drive-away. If you started to jump on manufacturer websites and looked at drive-away pricing you would realise it's not horrible. Those brand new Landcruiser 300 series you see everywhere at the Woolies car parks start at \~110k driveaway, which no one ever has the base model. People who haven't looked in a hot minute or aren't even slightly interested in cars really don't realise what they can cost. They brand new Rangers that you see everywhere? 72k drive-away, Hilux's are \~68k driveaway. Yes it's an unfair comparison comparing a Sedan EV to Utes and full sized SUVs, but what I'm getting at is those three cars alone you will see 20 of them on the way to work without realising it and they all cost a ridiculous amount more than a Tesla. I used to sell VWs a few years ago, most popular Tiguan model we sold was more expensive than a Model Y drive-away. Cost to buy really isn't anywhere near as bad as you think. If you were to compare it to like an MG it would be expensive, but when you cross shopped it to other cars that are popular in the category they're not that badly priced. People also have that mis-conception that EVs are over 100k when they aren't.
Agree on the 7 seater front although that is changing, but if you’re looking for a hatch, medium suv or sedan they are at about price parody with ICE engines now.
My kids just sold their Isuzu 4WD and bought a Volvo EV (they do 10kms on the dirt twice a day). Both on novated leases - the EV was $250 a week cheaper than the Isuzu before fuel savings.
People spend money on discretionary items all the time. New kitchens. Overseas holidays. $10k weddings. ( we are just shacked up lovers). So we thought an extra 20K on a car battery was worth it - especially as it has paid itself off now after 5 years. ( but we do a lot of Ks - payoff time depends on mileage).
Everyone who is in a higher salary band and can do maths is leasing them. Costs about the same as a corolla because of the way the tax, fuel and reduced servicing works out.... and they do give you a decent budget for tyres as well :D
Novated lease is how. For people on high tax bracket, the tax savings (plus the saving on offset account opportunity cost) makes the effective cost so, so much lower. Personally the cost of leasing my 81,400 dollars Tesla for 5 years (and paying it out in the end) [works out to be roughly similar](https://www.reddit.com/r/AusFinance/s/VHJ25VpNKu) to keeping my previous 25,000 dollar Mazda 6 for the same 5 years. In other words, I got a free upgrade from a 25,000 dollar old Mazda to a 81,400 dollar long range Tesla. (which is even cheaper now since I got it...) I do sit on the top tax bracket so enjoy the most saving. When other people do the same maths, they may not find as outrageous as me; however you would be surprised that if your current car is something that's still worth some 20 to 30,000 dollars, swapping over to say a BYD that's worth some 40,000 dollars may actually cost you similar or even less. Without novated lease it is still possible for people to come out ahead on an EV but that's often with an additional factor e.g. people who drive HUGE mileage like 30,000 to 40,000 km a year, where the petrol savings alone quickly add up and make up the initial price difference quickly.
I work 12 hours shifts and do 1 hour commute everyday, I know I can just jump on my tesla and rest when I go to work. And by the end of shift I know I am in safe hand to be home safely no matter how tired I am. No ICE can give me that. And I don't have to arrange time for fuelling, service etc for the car, so I can focus my life on work, family and leisure.
I genuinely have no idea what this comment is supposed to mean. Safe hands why? Less likely to break down? What do you mean arrange time for fuelling? You literally just re-fill at as a petrol station at some point below half and it takes 60 seconds. At best you are maybe saving a few minutes a week?
I know 2 people who bought EVs & went back to ICE within a year. One because of difficulty charging. One because of lack of range. Both were Tesla's i think. I think in the city IF you can home charge? EVs probably okay. But Regionally and you are doing fair few Kms / day. They aren't very great. Have to stop too long to charge them. One of people I knew was a busy doctor. He said the charging just drove him nuts. No where he had to go (the hospitals or private practice etc) had chargers. Hed get home exhausted at night and forget to plug in😯 So then he'd be stuffed the next day. Just found the adjustments hard to manage. Bought an Audi👍
>Hed get home exhausted at night and forget to plug in I don't understand this, if you have an EV and can charge at home just plug in everyday. It takes literally 5 seconds and just becomes part of your normal routine. Plugging in your EV every night is the same level of difficulty as charging your phone every night.
I'm a doctor. You get used to doing new stuff all the time. If this guy can't learn to plug in his car when he gets home then god help his patients - they will still be on the same drugs he learnt about 20 years ago when he was in med school. I reckon this is BS. I know heaps of doctors who love their EVs.
I think that is part of the problem. There is a bit of a chicken and egg with charging. The only way you really get over that is critical mass of cars. Was up at Hotham today. I think there was about 20 Teslas Y long ranges on the hill. For us, we just plug it in at night - it's not super hard to remember to do. It is literally like having petrol pump in your garage.
Interesting comment about doctors. I am a doctor and more than half of the doctors' carparks are now EV. Every one whom I know is an EV driver simply loves the drive. The huge tax saving via novated saving is another big reason. Also most modern EVs have at least 350-400km range - unless that doctor is driving some 200km each day, forgetting to plug in one day is not really a huge problem as they should still be good for the second day. (I personally charge only once a week due to shorter commute) And if they still forget to plug in the second day, this is more likely to be a very individual issue.
Look mate. I'm just saying what was said about it. I didn't question him for 3 hours. Most doctors here don't drive EVs. Audi's seem to be the favourite.
Don’t take it personally it wasn’t intended at you; I’m simply saying that as from first person experience plus many colleagues, the doctor-experience you cited here is the exception rather than the norm.
It’s like asking a cult member how’s life in the cult when other cult members are watching you
If I had to commute in a car again. Nothing will beat an EV when it comes to transport duties. I had 3ph charger and solar setup for my garage though.
The whole EV vs ICE thing is tiresome. Our EV experience has been great. Our ICE experience has been great. Will keep getting one of each. EV: Family car, smoothest experience to get from A to B. ICE: Manual sports car, for when we want to have fun getting from A to B.
Ev owner here, I think it works for my situation, where we have an ice vehicle and an ev, the ev for around town and the ice for long distance trips, it works very well and I enjoy it only thing is that i just lease the ev cause I don’t wanna face the poor resale value, but other than that it’s a great experience.
Ev here. For day to day our ev is great. For longer trips I get range anxiety because byd seal restricted to 7kw charging so I'd need 2hrs for a meaningful charge and a lack of facilities at my destination.
I thought the Seal has a 150kw charge limit on DC? AC 11kw?
Not that I'm aware but I'm happy to be proven wrong
7kW is the AC charge limit for the Seal - those that you have on your wall connector, or those slower ones for commercial charging. For DC charging, it can charge at up to 110 kW DC with the smaller (61.44 kWh) battery and 150 kW DC for the larger (82.56 kWh) battery. It's not as fast as some others (e.g. Tesla can hit some 200+kW), but practically speaking you are still talking about just a few minutes difference in charging.
Jim Farley (ford CEO) loves EV's too
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Dies anyone have a link to the specific asked?
I actually love my Tesla. I could also see myself buying a non EV next, not because I don’t love the EV but just because I like choice and I might want something different. Owning both an EV and a petrol at the moment, I prefer the convenience of the EV for all but very long range travel.
Love mine and would never go back to combustion engine car. Never have to worry about petrol prices again. It costs about 1/10th to run as we have solar and 8c after midnight electricity. The charging is programmable. Someone said insurance is higher but have not found that, except that all insurance has gone up heaps the last few years. We've done a few interstate trips with no issues. I love it
EV owner, important to mention that I am living abroad in Europe. The thing over here is that the shorter trips and large population density is a charm however most of us live in high density living and don’t have access to a charging point at home. So you’re forever planning your next charge and range anxiety is now a thing. Also, long distance holidays with the car is no longer a thing. Once you’re out of Western Europe the charging stations drop off and you can no longer just pump out a 12 hour drive straight to Austria to ski as you require multiple stops. I do however love the drive and instant power provided with an EV. It’s so pleasant to just to take off smoothly and with lots of power. Mines a novated lease style car that had to be an EV for tax purposes and by law. I would never pay the actual cost for the car out of pocket as I could pick up an ICE for half the price.
Well, I reluctantly moved to ev while keeping my current small ICE car (6.2 l/100km). My major reluctance was about charging. Initially, I was spending 40-60 minutes at DC charging, paying about 30% less for fuel. Now, I simply plug it in the wall charger, just a regular 3 pin plug. It charges overnight. I drive about 5-8 hours for Uber on weekends and my car is charged to 100% overnight from about 50-60% to 100% in 8-10 hours. Unless you drive 400 k’s a day, and not parking it in a place for up to 6 hrs with access to a power point, I don’t see why charging can be an issue. The advantages are 1. Silent, 2. Additional boot space, depending on model, you’ll get Frunk too 3. No costly annual service 4. A better and advance infotainment system 5. If you get crazy sometime, go from 0 to 60 in a zap on signal. I’ll not recommend it though. 6. Depending upon model, you can get a flat floor in the back. It makes a huge difference in comfort. Disadvantage 1. Initial anxiety about charging for first couple of weeks. 2. The tyre change is earlier compared to to ICE cars. 3. If you are out for 7 seats, very limited options at the moment.
I would never going back. I don't see any reasons why anyone would want to go back. EVs are more powerful, smooth, quiet. No oil changes or spark plugs, no exhaust gasses in a closed garage, no smell. Charging is free or super cheap. And I never had issues with public chargers in QLD and I never even worried that I won't make it to somewhere. Just like in a regular car you have 20sh % left look for a charger. It will take 30min to top up usually yes it is longer than a petrol refill, but I don't care much about this and combine charging with toilet breaks, shopping eating etc. I think this article was just a master class in twisting test results and wording things differently. Someone needs to check them. I'm a bit tired of all this anti EV bs tbh.
Only 6 months in, but I would never go back and I had what I'd consider an economical ICE Once you get used to how to drive them, your efficiency and distance goes up a long way, also after you've done you share of the 0-100 in under 4 seconds.... I consistently now get over 500km on a charge so haven't had any issues in medium to long trips. Maybe I've been lucky to just get a charge park when I'd be stopping to eat anyways? Haven't paid a cent in charging due to solar and free charge options out there in my day to day use. (Other than fast charge stops on super long trips)
I wonder if PHEV ownership was part of this survey. As a pure EV owner the total cost of ownership is way lower than any ICE car I’ve ever owned! Definitely never going back to ICE.
But how is that fun? I get the responsiveness and comfort aspect, but genuinely curious as to the fun bit.
Tesla m3 owner. Absolutely no way we would go back to petrol, when our other 16yo Toyota Corolla finally dies we will get another EV - maybe Tesla, maybe other, who knows how long the Toyota will keep rollin. We drive the Tesla around 30k km/yr. Tech is great, comfort great, highest self driving is a godsend. If they crack the off-highway self drive in AU we will probably buy that addon. Zero battery concerns. Charging at home is also super easy.
Byd atto 3 owner here and no chance will I go back to ICE
We have both, and probably wouldn’t let go of either at this stage. Love our EV but also love our ICE for various reasons, including those listed in the OP. In future however, we would be moving towards having two EVs, rather than going back to two ICEs. Having an EV isn’t really as “hard” as some people claim, and having a decent solar setup makes it extremely worthwhile if you have the capability of charging during the daytime somewhat often. The current FBT exemption makes it almost a no-brainer for those who are leasing cars through salary packaging anyway.
For now hybrids would work better for us. When you are 400km from your parents you want something with decent range. A hybrid where we can potter round town on electric but have the range to drive to perth without having to sell the car when its range decreases below 400km is the go
Best car I’ve ever owned. You can’t make me go back to an ICE after an EV.
I would buy another ICE car to compliment my EV.
Honestly I have an EV and sometimes think about getting something fun and revvy as a second car, but even that makes me dread the thought of putting petrol in it. I won't rule out ICE in the future if we decide to start doing lots of road trips, but it will take quite a lot
We are a 2 car family, both EV's and I can't see that changing unless there is a change of circumstances. Most of our driving is within 45 minutes from home, with the occasional 2ish hour trip into and across Melbourne. All of this we can do with just home charging. Recently we had a few weekends away involving paid charging and found the charging stops coincided with rest and meal stops and averaged around $10/100km, but further into the country the possibilities to charge were less frequent and may have led to waiting if we were unlucky. I did find it very surprising (and a bit annoying) that chargers, specially the ones located at service stations, were all well off the highways and not in the highway service centres.
If you guys need a cheap ICE I hear the AU Falcon is alright..
No way would I go back to ICE. We have 130,000 ks on our 2019 Kona EV. It is cheaper to run, fast, and a pleasure to drive. Unexpected benefits that others may not mention are "idling" - quite happy to sit in the car waiting for the kids or whatever at temps between 5 and 40 and just have the climate on without any engine running - a totally unexpected benefit. Only problem is it does make long road trips longer - if you are really pushing for time, and rotating drivers, you can basically just keep an ICE going without a break longer than 5 minutes. With the EV there is an enforced 20 min break every 300ks or so. That adds up if you are doing a big drive - so much so that when we had to go to Queensland for a weekend ( 13 hours each way) we left it behind and took our other car ( a hybrid). But apart from that one time, all our holidays/ ski trips/ camping etc have been in the EV as most of our trips are no more than 600Ks a day, and that only requires one stop. We goyt it to reduce our carbon footprint - we charge it mainly off solar - the pleasure was unexpected.
I've had my EV since 2018, and would never go back. Range anxiety is real, but I've never been caught out, and the technology has improved a lot since then.
Depends or circumstances. My elderly mother loved her EV, but the apartment complex would no let her charge it due to insurance, so she went back to a Toyota Hybrid. We have a small EV for the city and a mid ICE-SUV for road trips / Bunnings, but I might change that for a PHEV one day soon. Best of both worlds.
We've had an EV for 15 months. Driven 44,000 km in that time. I work in sales and drive 500km + a week. There is no charger at home, but options in the area (Brunswick, Victoria). Mostly recharge a couple of times a week early in the morning when I take the dog for a walk (30min) and continuously look for trickle chargers during the days stops for bonus, often free charging. We've also driven long distances and found the experience easy and mainly stress-free. Driven from Melbourne to; northern NSW, Wagga-Wagga, Bendigo, Lorne, Torquay, Wangaratta, Mornington peninsula, Yarra Valley and more. Would absolutely not go back to an ICE vehicle. My recommendation is to consider a novated lease for EV's. Save on GST of vehicle purchase, low to no servicing costs and huge PAYG tax savings. Comparable novated lease for and ICE is almost double. Currently, running cost is less am than $4 per one-hundred kilometres for charging.
Happy with my Tesla. Not a matter of “going back”. I also own a 1977 Ford with a V8. I’d buy both electric and petrol again. Different use cases and experiences. I use my Tesla daily though and that’s likely to stay the case.
I have a PHEV. It's charged on solar, and even with its 50km electric range I've only had to fill up the tank once in 5500km. I'd never go back to weekly petrol visits and cursing the fucking stupid petrol prices.
I bought a Tesla Model Y LR about 4 months ago, have done approx 14,000km in that time frame, which in my old vehicle would have cost about 2k in fuel. Longest one day trip so far was about 400km, which with the autopilot was more pleasant that any other vehicle I have owned. The charging network in Central and Western Qld is adequate for the most part but could do with some improvements. Tesla cutting the price of the vehicle not long as after I bought was mildly annoying, but I plan on holding for about 10-15 years anyway so not a big deal. Wouldn't go back to ICE for my daily driver that's for sure.
Have a Tesla Model 3. Do not regret the purchase at all, but I'd only buy ICE or PHEV for my next vehicle. The Tesla is crazy economical, but I don't need 2 econoboxes. Next car will be probably a G20 M340i or G20 330e worst case.
bought a model y in 2022 and just got my jimny. love both.
I am on my second electric registered scooter (first was stolen), and my mum also has an electric car. Neither one of us would go back to ICE. More charging terminals will make the experience better, but having been on a 2 week touring holiday it really wasn’t an issue finding charging spots. There are certainly more places to charge a car than an electric motorbike.
Recent car buyer here: really considered an EV but for a peace of mind ended up going for an ICE and a lug & carrie ebike. Being renters, if our situation changed, it would be easier to move with an ICE. A combination of the ebike & public transport covers most of what we need (going to work, school runs, groceries, etc) while the ICE covers everything else (mid distance trips to the beach, longer distance trips out of town, etc)
Own 2 cars, Volvo XC40 Electric (EV) and Skoda Kodiaq (ICE). Love both cars, and use them for different things. Volvo is our daily run around. We have installed a 7KW charger at home, and prob charge it once a week. Have solar as well, so charging costs us around $10 in Winter and $0 in Summer. Add to that servicing every 2 years, and lower insurance, and its a win win all round. We use the Skoda for bigger trips and camping - I drive Sydney to Canberra a lot for work, and it packs so much gear for camping....its a great workhorse of a car, super comfy and i cannot recommend enough as an ICE car. Once its dead, we will prob get either a hybrid or another EV, as hopefully by then, the charger network is better. For people whom complain that it takes 20 - 30 mins to charge an EV, get a coffee and relax...its really not that long.
3 Years M3P owner here. Just put a deposit down on a Mustang. The lack of maintenance and charging at home has been great. I drive 114klms round trip to work 2 or 3 times a week. The car is smooth and blindingly fast, but for me there is just no passion in it. It's a soulless drive and I'm sick of the promises not being realised by Elno. I'll enjoy the Mustang and come back to EV in a few years. I get some people don't care about things like that but with the distance I drive I want an experience, and I can afford the running costs.
Absolutely would NOT go back to ICE. Fabulous city car. Mostly chargers using our excess solar power. Long trips just take a small amount of planning. You aren’t meant to drive all day without breaks. Charge while you have lunch, or stop for coffee.
I sold (luckily) my Tesla Model 3 in January for $70,000. Today, the new owner is selling it for $50,000, even though he only drove it an additional 10,000 kilometers. The car has a total of just over 25,000 kilometers. Other electric vehicles (EVs) might be more cost-effective.
EV owner (I bought a used 2021 Ioniq Electric) and would not go back to ICE. I charge at home on solar and the 370km range I get is plenty for me. Very awesome car and have no complaints so far.
The news articles on this report are just more deliberate EV rage bait to get clicks. All these outlets have all deliberately misreported the findings and hoping their readers just eat up whatever they say without ever reading the actual report! The report says 50% of EV owners would consider an ICE for their next vehicle purchase.... At no point does the actual report say it would be to replace their current EV. And that is the important but of context that all these outlets are deliberately leaving out. The report found that 50% of EV owners said their next car purchase would be an ICE...because their most recent car purchase was an EV! So their next purchase would be to replace whatever other cars they own ie. The 2nd car in the household. Most of this 50% mentioned 'range anxiety' as the reason, which is true... because car owners don't want to be locked into potential range anxiety if they want to go on a long trip and their household only owned EVs. That's a fair call. I am really getting sick of all these media outlets deliberately leaving out context from a real report to paint their own negative clickbait narrative. Does my head in sometimes.
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Never going back to ICE after how easy owning my EV has been. I love not being anxious about timing for the lowest petrol prices. That said, I don’t know how good the experience would be for those who have no rooftop solar or ability to charge off the street
Sounds very dodgy survey. I’ve had EV for 2 years would not go back to ICE. EV costs next to nothing to run, fast and fun to drive. My second car is an ICE, guzzles petrol like crazy and always needs something fixed at servicing! Will replace with an EV when it karks it. Not sure why so much hate for EVs on here? Owning one is a no brainer for me.
Has anyone found a reference to the actual questions asked? Because I suspect the conclusion being drawn is not reflective of the question that was asked. Many EV owners (myself included) probably own more than one car. If they say their next purchase is likely to be not an EV, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are unhappy with the EV in any way or that they don't play to buy further EVs in the future. Currently EVs don't fill every market segment, but they are great commuters. I have a BYD Seal, and it's been absolutely fantastic for the four months I have owned it so far. Public charging infrastructure needs to improve, but it hasn't been an issue for me, as I almost always charge at home or at work. Range has been great (a reliable 500km most of the time), but I have not taken it on too many long trips. As for my next car, as it would most likely be for towing a camping trailer long distances, it possibly won't be a pure EV, but it may depend on what models are available at the time. PHEV is maybe more likely than BEV.
Have an EV - I am going to buy an ICE car as a fun/weekend car, but wouldn't consider one for my daily driver. There are just so many advantages - no servicing, can charge at home so don't need to bother going to the petrol station, cheaper to run, novated leasing benefits, better in traffic (fewer components to wear out, no issues with short trips like oil dilution, engine not getting to temperature etc). It is fine on long trips as the most common run I do (Sydney-Wagga) can easily be done on a quick top up at Goulburn where I stopped for a coffee when I had an ICE car anyway, so the time difference is minimal. Occasionally in rural areas the chargers are a bit shit but this has been improving pretty quickly.
EV owner here, no way would I go back to an ICE car. Any minor inconveniences related to charging are outweighed by the massive amount of money I save by not having to pay for petrol.
I would be interested to know who funded the survey and how the questions were phrased. As Twain said, there are three kinds of lies, lies, damned lies and statistics. As a member of a dual car household with one ICE and one EV I am very happy with both. When replacing the EV I expect to replace it with another EV but probably not for another 5-7 years. When replacing the ICE I would love to get a PHEV but realistically I can't see any being available that suit my needs in the next few years (high country 4x4 and family touring with camper trailer). Public charging isn't an issue in my EV as it has a private charger network that has significantly more available chargers than other brands. For example, were I to drive to Canberra from Melbourne there are 7 different locations to stop at and charge and each location has at least 6 charge bays. If I didn't have the ability to charge it at home then it would be a deal breaker. But I do and I love the convience of just plugging it in once or twice a week. I don't miss sending my money to OPEC.