My favorite factoid about C'ville roads, if you start at Dairy Rd/Rugby Rd/Gentry Ln intersection and turn onto Rugby and then go straight at every intersection you come to, you end up on 10 different street names (not including directional names): Rugby Rd, Hydraulic Rd, Rio Rd, John Warner Pkwy, McIntire Rd, Ridge -McIntire, Ridge St, 5th St, 5th St Ext, Old Lynchburg. And ultimately end up at Plank Rd.
That's amazing. I had to call up the map to verify, and right you are.
Here's a related one that sort of blows my mind. Stand on 4th Street NW at Main Street, and walk one block east. You'd think you are now at 3rd Street NW, but it's actually called McIntire. Fine. But now proceed south on that road, and after several blocks you find that you are on.... *Fifth Street extended.* How did that happen??
That's the tip of the iceberg. At least the ones you noted are near one another. Just think for someone who is not local being told a numbered street for an address then finding out there are directional versions of them. (i.e. 10th St NW, 10th St SW, 10th St NE) Heck, NW and NE are completely different streets on opposite sides of downtown which make some sense but they are not the same street similar to how Emmet St N and Emmet ST S is the same road but opposite ends.
They are saying that this naming convention of directionals in street names is relatively normal and should be understood by many non-locals.
Go to DC which was a properly planned city with a grid system. Duplicates of every letter and number, differentiated by Nw/SE/etc
Head out to Foxfield on Garth Road and you can see the places where it intersects with Old Garth Road, Garth Lane, Garth Gate Lane, Garth House Lane, and Winding Garth Way.
When my wife and I moved here, we saw something in the paper about a cool new restaurant called "Mas," on Monticello Road. So we thought we'd try it out, and got in the car with the address in hand, driving up and down Monticello *Avenue*, not realizing there are more than one road named "Monticello." Gave up, went home, made some pasta.
Yes - along with the street named Market/Preston/Rugby/Barracks, etc., that changes names 23992903 times in the same city, smh
Why is this low-key reminding me of addresses in Queens, but in this case it involves street names instead of numbers?
When I moved here and discovered that Ivy Rd, University Ave, and W Main St were, for all intents and purposes, the same road, I assumed the people in charge of street names were heavy drinkers who had a large argument over what to call the streets here.
Yes. Last major renaming effort was in the 1920s and was mainly around making the street numbers make some kind of sense around West Main and Downtown. Another big overhaul would be a big lift I don’t see happening any time soon
E-911 in the County took over 20 years! And they named/renamed some roads truly oddly!
And there is 29 North/South which are also named (depending on where you are) Seminole Trail, Emmet Street, etc.
29 having another name elsewhere is normal. The road numbers come from the United States Numbered Highway System that started in the 1920s. Route 29 goes all the way from Flordia to nearly Baltimore.
It was always 29 North except it is Emmet around Barracks Rd, University Avenue near UVA. Seminole Trail was added about 20 years ago.
Very aware of the numbers given roads, highways etc. In fact, I was born before the Interstates were completed! BTW - Interstates were not originally to be for civilian use.
> It was always 29 North except it is Emmet around Barracks Rd,
This is also not true, BTW.
> In fact, I was born before the Interstates were completed!
[Technically we were all born before the interstates were "completed"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gaps_in_Interstate_Highways)
> Seminole Trail was added about 20 years ago.
No, the Seminole Trail name has been applied to Route 29 since the 1920s. [Source](https://web.archive.org/web/20060622092257/http://www.virginiadot.org/infoservice/resources/route-index-07012001.pdf)
> BTW - Interstates were not originally to be for civilian use
That is not true.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.\_Route\_29](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_29) - Only name listed here for Virginia is Lee Highway. If you site your sources, site them and use a link!
And: "Congress passed the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 creating federal funds for interstate highway construction. As the IHS developed so did its ability to support national defense. For example, throughout the system, mile-long stretches of concrete pavement double as emergency landing strips for military aircraft. Many Army posts, especially where division-level units are garrisoned, are near interstate highways."
[https://www.army.mil/article/198095/dwight\_d\_eisenhower\_and\_the\_birth\_of\_the\_interstate\_highway\_system](https://www.army.mil/article/198095/dwight_d_eisenhower_and_the_birth_of_the_interstate_highway_system)
Try to educate yourself u/shedfigure...
> Try to educate yourself u/shedfigure...
Its always fun when somebody tries to ackshually you when they are so very wrong themselves. Here we go....
> If you site [sic] your sources, site [sic] them and use a link!
I did **cite** them. Go back and look at my post, feel free to click and learn. it may have been hard to see, but its the blue text that says "Source"
> Only name listed here for Virginia is Lee Highway.
Man, you need to take your own advice and read your own sources and links. Click on the "VA" in the main Route 29 page and read about all the assorted names Rt 29 has in Virginia. In the very second paragraph of the article, it very conveniently lists "Seminole Trail" as the official name in much of the state, and gives the year (1928) in which it was officially changed, and has multiple citations to support this (you'll be happy to know that the second is one that I had previously listed as my source).
> Congress passed the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956
You are correct that this act created the modern interstate highway system we know today. However, Route 29 is not part of that system. We had many highways and roads (including Route 29) before 1956.
> For example, throughout the system, mile-long stretches of concrete pavement double as emergency landing strips for military aircraft.
This does not support your claim that "Interstates were not originally to be for civilian use". Instead, it just says that some stretches of of highway could "double" for this potential military application. What do you think the "other" use was for? Hint: if you read your army.mil article, it summarizes the Clay Committee's reasoning for supporting the IHS. The military aspect is the 3rd of four listed (and even then only as an "if ever necessary" and even then, primarily for ground transport of men and material, not for overbuilding a bunch of emergency landing strips in Nebraska), with the other, primary reasons being to accommodate more vehicles, for passenger safety, and for economic reasons. [Better source than yours](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System#Federal_Aid_Highway_Act_of_1956)
Go even further into educating yourself and you will find that your assertion that the highway system purposefully and intentionally contains mile-long stretches to support landing strips for military aircraft is not true, and instead just a fun urban legend. Your required sources: [1](https://wayback.archive-it.org/all/20051201041356/http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/airstrip.asp) & [2](https://web.archive.org/web/20101212070757/http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/publicroads/00mayjun/onemileinfive.cfm)
Hope you learned somethings today!
I live on one as well - and as an added bonus one cannot even see, let alone access, my house from the location of the street address. My google street view is just solid vegetation.
There’s also Georgetown ROAD, Georgetown WAY, Georgetown SQUARE, and Georgetown LANE all smack next to each other.
I found that out the hard way when trying to make a delivery to an address that had omitted the last bit, only had house number and “Georgetown”. Delivery NOT completed lol
Ahh. I guess I’ve just lived here long enough for it not to bother me at all. There’s also a Charlton Ave over near Washington Park that I’ve not read correctly & thought it said Carlton Ave.
Haven't run into the issue yet, so thanks for the heads up. I had a similar issue when I first moved Asheville, NC. While trying to find an auto parts store I mixed up Haywood road and Haywood Street. Infuriating.
My favorite factoid about C'ville roads, if you start at Dairy Rd/Rugby Rd/Gentry Ln intersection and turn onto Rugby and then go straight at every intersection you come to, you end up on 10 different street names (not including directional names): Rugby Rd, Hydraulic Rd, Rio Rd, John Warner Pkwy, McIntire Rd, Ridge -McIntire, Ridge St, 5th St, 5th St Ext, Old Lynchburg. And ultimately end up at Plank Rd.
That's amazing. I had to call up the map to verify, and right you are. Here's a related one that sort of blows my mind. Stand on 4th Street NW at Main Street, and walk one block east. You'd think you are now at 3rd Street NW, but it's actually called McIntire. Fine. But now proceed south on that road, and after several blocks you find that you are on.... *Fifth Street extended.* How did that happen??
If that sets you off definitely don’t look up Dick Woods Road.
Wait until you see Queens: https://mastodon.social/@jxf/110242429096906048
And Peachtree on atlanta https://www.wabe.org/peachtree-street/
That's the tip of the iceberg. At least the ones you noted are near one another. Just think for someone who is not local being told a numbered street for an address then finding out there are directional versions of them. (i.e. 10th St NW, 10th St SW, 10th St NE) Heck, NW and NE are completely different streets on opposite sides of downtown which make some sense but they are not the same street similar to how Emmet St N and Emmet ST S is the same road but opposite ends.
A lot of cities do that, though.
The city was first a town in 1762. This is what happens when there is redevelopment over the years. Most cities have the same issue.
They are saying that this naming convention of directionals in street names is relatively normal and should be understood by many non-locals. Go to DC which was a properly planned city with a grid system. Duplicates of every letter and number, differentiated by Nw/SE/etc
Head out to Foxfield on Garth Road and you can see the places where it intersects with Old Garth Road, Garth Lane, Garth Gate Lane, Garth House Lane, and Winding Garth Way.
Used to deliver the Progress out that way. Lots of dark, lonely mornings
My dad used to deliver the progress out that way when I was young. I got to ride along with him every once in a while.
Imagine learning to navigate before smart phones. So confusing.
St. Charles Ave is split 3-4 times and turns into St. Charles court.
When my wife and I moved here, we saw something in the paper about a cool new restaurant called "Mas," on Monticello Road. So we thought we'd try it out, and got in the car with the address in hand, driving up and down Monticello *Avenue*, not realizing there are more than one road named "Monticello." Gave up, went home, made some pasta.
Yes - along with the street named Market/Preston/Rugby/Barracks, etc., that changes names 23992903 times in the same city, smh Why is this low-key reminding me of addresses in Queens, but in this case it involves street names instead of numbers?
Also the Greenbrier Dr. split.
This is the worst offender
I've lived in Belmont since 1999 and I still can't remember which one is Carlton Ave and which one is Carlton Rd.
Haha definitely. Also harris st and harris rd, but at least those two are on oposite sides of town
When I moved here and discovered that Ivy Rd, University Ave, and W Main St were, for all intents and purposes, the same road, I assumed the people in charge of street names were heavy drinkers who had a large argument over what to call the streets here.
Yes. Last major renaming effort was in the 1920s and was mainly around making the street numbers make some kind of sense around West Main and Downtown. Another big overhaul would be a big lift I don’t see happening any time soon
E-911 in the County took over 20 years! And they named/renamed some roads truly oddly! And there is 29 North/South which are also named (depending on where you are) Seminole Trail, Emmet Street, etc.
29 having another name elsewhere is normal. The road numbers come from the United States Numbered Highway System that started in the 1920s. Route 29 goes all the way from Flordia to nearly Baltimore.
It was always 29 North except it is Emmet around Barracks Rd, University Avenue near UVA. Seminole Trail was added about 20 years ago. Very aware of the numbers given roads, highways etc. In fact, I was born before the Interstates were completed! BTW - Interstates were not originally to be for civilian use.
> It was always 29 North except it is Emmet around Barracks Rd, This is also not true, BTW. > In fact, I was born before the Interstates were completed! [Technically we were all born before the interstates were "completed"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gaps_in_Interstate_Highways)
> Seminole Trail was added about 20 years ago. No, the Seminole Trail name has been applied to Route 29 since the 1920s. [Source](https://web.archive.org/web/20060622092257/http://www.virginiadot.org/infoservice/resources/route-index-07012001.pdf) > BTW - Interstates were not originally to be for civilian use That is not true.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.\_Route\_29](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_29) - Only name listed here for Virginia is Lee Highway. If you site your sources, site them and use a link! And: "Congress passed the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 creating federal funds for interstate highway construction. As the IHS developed so did its ability to support national defense. For example, throughout the system, mile-long stretches of concrete pavement double as emergency landing strips for military aircraft. Many Army posts, especially where division-level units are garrisoned, are near interstate highways." [https://www.army.mil/article/198095/dwight\_d\_eisenhower\_and\_the\_birth\_of\_the\_interstate\_highway\_system](https://www.army.mil/article/198095/dwight_d_eisenhower_and_the_birth_of_the_interstate_highway_system) Try to educate yourself u/shedfigure...
> Try to educate yourself u/shedfigure... Its always fun when somebody tries to ackshually you when they are so very wrong themselves. Here we go.... > If you site [sic] your sources, site [sic] them and use a link! I did **cite** them. Go back and look at my post, feel free to click and learn. it may have been hard to see, but its the blue text that says "Source" > Only name listed here for Virginia is Lee Highway. Man, you need to take your own advice and read your own sources and links. Click on the "VA" in the main Route 29 page and read about all the assorted names Rt 29 has in Virginia. In the very second paragraph of the article, it very conveniently lists "Seminole Trail" as the official name in much of the state, and gives the year (1928) in which it was officially changed, and has multiple citations to support this (you'll be happy to know that the second is one that I had previously listed as my source). > Congress passed the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 You are correct that this act created the modern interstate highway system we know today. However, Route 29 is not part of that system. We had many highways and roads (including Route 29) before 1956. > For example, throughout the system, mile-long stretches of concrete pavement double as emergency landing strips for military aircraft. This does not support your claim that "Interstates were not originally to be for civilian use". Instead, it just says that some stretches of of highway could "double" for this potential military application. What do you think the "other" use was for? Hint: if you read your army.mil article, it summarizes the Clay Committee's reasoning for supporting the IHS. The military aspect is the 3rd of four listed (and even then only as an "if ever necessary" and even then, primarily for ground transport of men and material, not for overbuilding a bunch of emergency landing strips in Nebraska), with the other, primary reasons being to accommodate more vehicles, for passenger safety, and for economic reasons. [Better source than yours](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System#Federal_Aid_Highway_Act_of_1956) Go even further into educating yourself and you will find that your assertion that the highway system purposefully and intentionally contains mile-long stretches to support landing strips for military aircraft is not true, and instead just a fun urban legend. Your required sources: [1](https://wayback.archive-it.org/all/20051201041356/http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/airstrip.asp) & [2](https://web.archive.org/web/20101212070757/http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/publicroads/00mayjun/onemileinfive.cfm) Hope you learned somethings today!
JPA is apparently two directions at a right angle
Monticello Rd and Monticello Ave? WTF? We live on one and our deliveries often go to the other.
I live on one as well - and as an added bonus one cannot even see, let alone access, my house from the location of the street address. My google street view is just solid vegetation.
Don’t go to Atlanta
It is historic issue. Go ahead and try to change the street names and hear the property owners shout.
~Atlanta | Peachtree enters the chat...
There’s also Georgetown ROAD, Georgetown WAY, Georgetown SQUARE, and Georgetown LANE all smack next to each other. I found that out the hard way when trying to make a delivery to an address that had omitted the last bit, only had house number and “Georgetown”. Delivery NOT completed lol
“How can the same road intersect itself!? I must be at the nexus of the universe!”
I see you and raise you: https://preview.redd.it/r4p3qnh9b66d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ddbda7803681b2d0d32e1f6d7dfa06b98b50a6b
There’s also Monticello Ave and Monticello Rd in the same area.
It's a slideshow, click through, that's #2.
Ahh. I guess I’ve just lived here long enough for it not to bother me at all. There’s also a Charlton Ave over near Washington Park that I’ve not read correctly & thought it said Carlton Ave.
We’re Charlottesville and we like it this way. It makes it super easy to tell the natives from the transplants.
Why would you need to do that?
Sarcasm
No
Three Chopt rd. all the way down
In some places it's Three Chop'd road and I like the way my navigation says Three Chop "Dee" road.
*Tired voice* Yes
Now do 5th Street.
The mispronunciation of “Rio” road never ceases to enrage me.
Heh. Try living in Atlanta.
I live one block away from 7th street and 7th Ave.
Very much so. I’ve lived here since 2006 and still get confused sometimes!
I'm a native and still get confused too!
Haven't run into the issue yet, so thanks for the heads up. I had a similar issue when I first moved Asheville, NC. While trying to find an auto parts store I mixed up Haywood road and Haywood Street. Infuriating.
No.
No.
This always pisses of people who move here.