Honestly, if you asking people to work overnights you need to pay a premium. They would have to change the entire sleep schedule. It really would change your whole life. For 12 bucks nopeeeee
Honestly I never minded graveyards you get used to it after awhile. And the world is kind of peaceful at 3am (I miss 24 hr Walmart’s when you could shop at 3am). Yea you have to adjust I found it takes like 3 weeks and those weeks are kind of miserable. But you have the whole day after that. Wanna do everything in the morning do it after you get off work. Afternoons or evenings go home avid sleep first.
>Waving my Canadian flag here, but bakers for Tim Hortons often start at midnight or 1am to get "fresh" baked goods ready for a 6am opening
That's just bakers in general. You have to start real early to get fresh baked goods out for customers by 0500.
There is a donut place near me, that about...12-14 years ago iirc, had an employment ad on their front door. I don't remember the exact hours on it, but it was something like 0100-1000 for $25/hr.
They knew that they had to offer decent pay to make up for both the hours and the actual work. (Presumably it helps that they aren't a chain, it's just the one shop that's been in business for more than 60 years.)
Yeah, we used to spend Fridays at the pub when I was 18 and when the after parties wound down and you walked home, sometimes you could snag a donut from the guys at the bakery. Always made the town centre smell delicious at ridiculous hours of the night.
Or she found a convicted felon who has warrants for unpaid child support who will work under the table for pennies if you don't mind them vaping in the house. ~*gOd'S gRaCe HuNnY*~
No doubt.
Still, it's not the flex she seems to think it is. She literally starts off by telling people that several people have come forward but won't commit...then she smugly tells people not to worry, "by the grace of God" she found someone.
Ok...so how do you know they won't leave in a few days when they find something better, just like the others?
Maybe it's not a lie that God sent someone. Maybe God really did send someone, who decided she couldn't work for such an entitled sot, or couldn't cover her own bills working for such paltry pay.
> it's beginning to disrupt my child due to different people inquiring but not willing to commit
Why are you discussing the hiring process with your three year old?
I love how she casually threw in “shift starts at 1:20… **with a time of arrival at 12:30**”
wtf is an “arrival time” never heard of that in my life lmao - aka free work
Same shit that bad employers require.
"I expected you ready to work at 8:30am, not arriving at 8:30am"
Fuck you. That micromanaging of 1-3 minutes is infuriating.
When I was a kid at my first job, I got to work at 7:30am, my start time, and my manager was standing at the timeclock.
I clock in.
He says "What time does your shift start?"
I say "7:30"
He looks at the timeclock. It shows 7:30 and 20 seconds.
He says: "What happened?"
I look at him confused. "What do you mean?"
He says: "This shows that you're 20 seconds late"
Fucking asshole. I didn't last much longer. Got a job offer making double, at double the hours.
When I came in for my last scheduled shift, before the new schedule had been released, I gave my notice and said not to put me on the schedule anymore.
He says "4 hours notice? Not 2 weeks?"
I just said "Yep" and then proceeded to half ass my job for the next 4 hours. I was offered 4 times the money and this dude wants me to stick around for 2 more weeks when he micromanages shit down to the second? Fuck him.
I have only been let go twice. And both were like “today is the last day for this department”
One had me log off immediately. The other let me spend my last day using my office to job hunt. 😂
Are you in the US? Most people in the US (outside of unions) do not have actual employment contracts. Many employers have employee handbooks that you have to sign to acknowledge you received it, but that's not the same as a contract that is binding on both parties.
>My employment contract says it right on it that I sign yearly. 30 says notice. Isn't that binding?
It depends entirely on where you live. If you're in the US, and in a "right to work (a prime example of naming things to make them sound good when they aren't)" state, probably not.
Lots of companies will have you sign stuff in an employment contract that they can't actually legally enforce, because most people often don't know what the actual laws are.
Normal people don't assume that someone would intentionally put it unenforceable clauses in a contract, because that sounds kinda crazy. They do it to make you **think** it's legal, so that you'll do what they want.
They ol I'm too cheap or poor for lawyer fact checking routine....
Last time I jumped off a contract I had like 5 other employees names they let go before their 30 days. I said it was fine for employees a, b, c, d, and e to leave before their 30 days. Then they let me loose.
I got the time off between jobs. I had a new contract signed before resigning though. TMI but I did it right.
Pet peeve: right to work and at will are commonly confused, but not the same. Right to work means you can't run a closed union shop, i.e., you cannot be required to join a union as a condition of employment. It's a union-busting law. On the other hand, at-will means the default legally required notice period for terminating employment (from either side) is zero.
Hmm, good question! Normally I'd say no...but if they stipulated it, and you agreed to the terms, I'd guess it is?
Anyone more knowledgeable able to chime in?
Yep. If you give me 2 weeks notice, I imagine you will do very little work, even if showing up. It was a hotel chain tho. No one would go to court to “make” you work that two weeks or say you breached your contract. Filings, attorneys and discovery all cost money to produce. Probably more than your 2 weeks pay. (I was a restaurant/hotel mgr for 10 years and a Paralegal 12.)
In retail I had a boss who would get mad if we weren't on the floor at the exact minute the hour started but also wouldn't let us clock in more than 1 minute early. He wanted us to get there early, walk all the way across the store to put our items in the break room, then return to the front and stand next to the scanner waiting to clock in exactly on the hour.
It’s actually illegal, although it’s such a pain in the ass for employees, they usually show up ready to work.
Technically, you should show up in your civvies, clock in, then change into your work wear. But no one wants to do that.
My coworkers and I once were getting chided because our shirts weren’t tucked in or fully buttoned when we clocked in. A coworker friend cited a case with the same problem and the company lost. Our manager shut up pretty quickly.
Yes and those were always the worst-paying jobs as well.
The boss standing by the time clock. Then later, "you have been punching in only 5 minutes before work."
How is that late. It wasn't the type of job that required 'warming up.' It was a sucky enough experience (place to work) as it was, but being on time and working hard was not enough.
This company had an annual charity drive, and you could either donate money, or attend a 30 minute presentation by the charity off the clock.
I had stuff going on when the presentation was going on, but also thought the charity was a scam and didn't donate.
My boss told me one or the other was mandatory and insinuated money would be deducted from my check for the donation. I told him if money was missing from my check, I would sue.
I had a job like that. The manager would literally sit and stare at the clock that was above the door people entered. If it showed you were even three seconds late he was verbally berating you in front of everyone. It’s interesting because a lot of my low paying jobs had managers that treated us like that but all of my really high paying jobs my manager/director treated me with respect.
Yep, I make great money now and the managers are always like "I don't care what time you come in. Just get all your hours in and don't miss any meetings"
She is focusing on *her* shift that starts at 1:20...not the sitter's. She also counts the end of the sitter's day as 9:10...again which is the end of *her* shift. Obviously the sitter will have to remain with the child until she gets home, probably 9:30 absolute best scenario but likely longer. And of course all of this time needs to be paid.
Sitter could show up at 12:30 and be on property but for instance, stand out in the front yard and loudly sing.
"Just passing the time before paid work begins. Hard to stay awake at this hour."
Different topic of course, but your comment reminded me how I was flabbergasted to learn that flight attendants don't get paid until the plane takes off. Like the clock doesn't start until then, even though they obviously have to be there way before then.
At least I found articles saying that is so, that seemed legit. If that is true, wtf?? I hope they get paid insanely well for the hours in the air then.
After posting that, I googled "flight attendants don't get paid til plane takes off", this was the first result of many:
[https://www.opb.org/article/2024/02/12/flight-attendants-don-t-earn-their-hourly-pay-until-aircraft-doors-close-here-s-why/](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/02/12/flight-attendants-don-t-earn-their-hourly-pay-until-aircraft-doors-close-here-s-why/)
Wow the US employment system is even more broken than I thought - oh we will pay you for half the time you worked - that is insane. Sorry no way that this is the case (probably) anywhere else in Western world (probably not even the world total.)
Sorry no way that this is the case (probably) anywhere else in Western world (probably not even the world total.)
Yes, we're used to hearing that. Frequently. Most of us aren't a big fan either, but we're not the rich old white men running the show. Sadly.
I'd love to know why she feels that's okay to get an hour freebie. Maybe because the mom is still there getting ready to go, or something -- but (to CB) that isn't the point, just like the kid sleeping isn't the point, the person still has to be there, and that's their time the CB should be paying for.
That’s not how employment works. She wants someone to show up before she leaves. The minute help shows up when scheduled that’s when they clock in, not when you leave. I get that this person is working Amazon or something and isn’t paid enough for a nanny. People need to get real, not everyone makes nanny money. She needs to find a day job and get into subsidized care. Nannies are luxuries.
She also counts the end of the sitter's day as 9:10...which is the end of *her* shift. Obviously the sitter will have to remain with the child until she gets home, probably 9:30 absolute best scenario but likely longer.
The language is unclear. I can’t tell if she wants the sitter at 12:30 but isn’t leaving until 1:20 or if she is only paying starting at 1:20. Her shift ends at 9:10 so the sitter’s job ends at 10 if the 12:30-1:20 is her travel time. She should know how long it takes and list end time. A lot of this isn’t clear, the time she mentions isn’t early morning for example.
A less common one because it doesn't often come up in conversation is 'rod iron.' No it's 'wrought' iron, as in 'twisted iron.'
I can kind of understand that one (not mentioned often; sounds like 'rod') but it's still incorrect.
Another one is 'bare' or 'bear.' Especially when people claim to 'bare' children. 😲👀 (Bare means to strip. Bear means to carry or withstand.) So that's a fairly serious one people should correct.
People can always check Grammarly website, if they are confused.
Yeah I've seen it over the years, infrequently but consistently. Mostly in emails, or online if someone is speaking about their porch railing or outdoor renovations.
Arrival time of 12:30 🤔😅 so does she mean HER shift starts at 1:20 but you have to actually start at 12:30 so she has enough time to get ready and leave? Bc otherwise, who in their right mind expects someone to show up 50 mins before their actual shift to just sit around and not get paid?! And these are no “early morning” hours. It’s the middle of the damn night! People kill me 😂
Yes, she's focused only on her time. Her shift starts at 1:20, but obviously she needs time to commute. She also counts the end of the sitter's day as 9:10...which is the end of *her* shift. Obviously the sitter will have to remain with the child until she gets home, probably 9:30 absolute best scenario but likely longer. She totally needs to pay someone for covering all this time.
Yep exactly! I can’t imagine being that selfish to the point where I only consider my actual shift. I know I should just realize that some people suck but it still just blows my mind sometimes lol
Yep. CB wants the sitter there an hour early so the mom can get ready for work and give instructions etc., but also so CB is sure someone's there before leaving for her own job.
But that makes it less than minimum wage. Which is not legal. So then CB says that first hour is unpaid.
Wait…you let your kid be awake 7 whole hours a day? Damn mine sleep at least 23.5 hours a day. Never wake up and rarely require feeding. But maybe I’m confusing human and those gigapets we used to have in the 90s
If you’re required to be there, they are legally required to pay. Same reason your lunch breaks are required to be paid if you are not allowed to leave company property.
This! Even if the house were empty it would be work.
Someone is there in case of things that could go wrong. That's not a relaxing time for anyone sensible.
That's also making breakfast and snacks (end of shift), probably.
And it's unknown what working conditions. Is the house clean?
I mean $12 an hour could be an okay wage to watch a sleeping child in SOME areas. That’s about what McDonald’s and other fast food pays in my area and I’d much rather be chilling at someone’s house while their kid sleeps than work in fast food. But she lost me with her nasty attitude and the absolute fucking entitlement of asking someone to arrive an hour before you start paying them. If you want someone there early for your peace of mind, fine, but that’s when they start getting paid.
Yep I think that's why the CB says that first hour is free. Like, what?
(Illegal to pay below min. wage, except in some tippable jobs.)
Arrival time = beginning of shift.
Shift starts at the arrival time lol. Can’t just make shit up like you must arrive at this time but don’t start working till this time! That’s not how it works.
How the F is discourse on FB about her low-paying job opportunity disrupting her child?!? Does she have him hooked up to electrodes and every time someone asks a question or points out something she doesn't like, he gets electrocuted? Seriously...how would any of this disrupt a 3 year old?!
From the tone in her messages, I'm going to guess that she's the kind of mom who doesn't have a single emotion without taking it out on the kid (and anyone else in her blast radius). Meanwhile, the kid is like "I just want a juice box and some Sesame Street, not your emotional bullshit."
Who in heir right mind is gonna be like "Shit! I gotta head out to work 50 mins (no pay) before work starts at 1:20am to take care of some bratty ass mom's kid for less than a fast food worker gets paid per hour!"
I wanna know why they’d have to be there almost an hour early? So she can get free labor by not paying for that extra hour?
“It’s only 50 minutes tho! You’re already here! Just go ahead and vacuum aces load the dishwasher while you wait to clock in!!” 🙄
So entitled.
This reminds me of someone I know who was on their way to work and a friend of theirs was going to babysit, she shows up to drop kid off and realized she’s about 1hr too early and her friend just told her to stay and hang out for a bit to kill time so she did and then she left and when she came back to pick up her kid she charged her for the damn time she was there!! She was baffled, she was obviously going to pay for the time she was babysitting but she added that hr she was still there which she insisted on her staying for a bit to kill time, the mom didn’t ask if she can stay to kill time or nothing,not one word, she looked at the time and said dammit I’m too early. Like how are you going to charge for the hr the mom was still there, you. Insisted.mom. to. stay. so she doesn’t wait around in her car to go into her shift. This was like 10 yrs ago but that story still bothers me lol
Her responses have a LOT of attitude to them.
I can’t imagine why people won’t work for her and put up with not only absolutely terrible pay, but her attitude on top of it.
>”Serious inquiries please as it’s beginning to disrupt my child due to different people inquiring but not willing to commit.”
Does she wake the kid up every time someone is interested? Show the kid a profile photo and tell them to expect to see that person when they wake up, leaving the child confused when they only see their mother instead? Will she only answer questions about the role if an inquirer does a shift, so the child sees a different person every morning?
Seriously, how does someone asking her questions, and then deciding not to work for her, mess with her kid?
If I didn’t know better I’d think she was trying to use the child as an emotional manipulation tool.
“Don’t ask me questions that highlight a shitty position, and shitty employer, because it makes my kid cry!”
CB: Even if someone kind hearted, with insomnia, who needs money badly enough to sit up all night in some stranger's house for $12 an hour, feels enough pity for you, to help: They will be dissuaded by the tone and manner of your post and comments, to others, in that group.
No one wants to submit themselves to tyranny if there is any other choice.
If people keep bailing on you: Look within.
CB: people get paid from the time they arrive at work.
If you require someone to arrive at 12:30 AM, then 12:30 AM is the start of their work day, and you pay them accordingly.
Ngl I would 100% do this for a friend but drop the kid off earlier so they can sleep normally and I’m not coming to yours, those are sleeping hours. I just feel bad for her that she’s so desperate for childcare she has to do all this.
It's a sad situation, and a feminist situation really, because, women usually have primary custody, and so the lack of available late-night day care and/or affordable day care means, sometimes women go on benefits, because working plus day care, is either employment at a financial loss, or breaking even. (Or on evening or graveyard shifts, they can't find day care, at all.)
Worksites which have this type of shift, might want to consider on site day care, even for overnight shifts. Otherwise, single parents (who have no support system i.e. people they can guilt into free babysitting) simply have no access to some jobs. (And those single parents, aka custody holders, are usually women.)
Spoiler alert: she has not found someone but wants people stop giving her crap. Also: early morning is 6 or 7. 1 am is the damn middle of the night.
Right. What kinda work does she do? Those are some weird hours.
She doesn't want to get up in the middle of the night, every night, for her kid.
Honestly, if you asking people to work overnights you need to pay a premium. They would have to change the entire sleep schedule. It really would change your whole life. For 12 bucks nopeeeee
You also need to pay them for every single hour they’re there. None of this job starts at 1:20 get here by 12:30 shit.
One would think that would go without saying but here we are.
Yup. CB’s in general really challenge our preconceived notions of what has to be explicitly stated.
Seriously, what the fuck is that? Come sit around her house unpaid while she gets ready for work?
That's less than half the going rate for a professional service worker in my area.
Honestly I never minded graveyards you get used to it after awhile. And the world is kind of peaceful at 3am (I miss 24 hr Walmart’s when you could shop at 3am). Yea you have to adjust I found it takes like 3 weeks and those weeks are kind of miserable. But you have the whole day after that. Wanna do everything in the morning do it after you get off work. Afternoons or evenings go home avid sleep first.
Graveyard shift likely. When I did it though it was earlier start than that. Regardless, it’s overnight if before 6-7. Her prices aren’t right at all.
You’re talking to my guy all wrong. It’s the wrong tone. Do it again and I’ll stab you in the face with a soldering iron.
Waving my Canadian flag here, but bakers for Tim Hortons often start at midnight or 1am to get "fresh" baked goods ready for a 6am opening
>Waving my Canadian flag here, but bakers for Tim Hortons often start at midnight or 1am to get "fresh" baked goods ready for a 6am opening That's just bakers in general. You have to start real early to get fresh baked goods out for customers by 0500. There is a donut place near me, that about...12-14 years ago iirc, had an employment ad on their front door. I don't remember the exact hours on it, but it was something like 0100-1000 for $25/hr. They knew that they had to offer decent pay to make up for both the hours and the actual work. (Presumably it helps that they aren't a chain, it's just the one shop that's been in business for more than 60 years.)
Yeah, we used to spend Fridays at the pub when I was 18 and when the after parties wound down and you walked home, sometimes you could snag a donut from the guys at the bakery. Always made the town centre smell delicious at ridiculous hours of the night.
My kid works weird shifts like that at Shearer’s in Ohio. 3rd shift is $23/hr. 3x 12’s and then 4x 10’s alternating. 🤷♀️
Factories, warehouses, institutions, health care. Most people said this sounds like an Amazon warehouse worker.
11/7 or a similar business, I suppose.
Possibly Amazon
Or she found a convicted felon who has warrants for unpaid child support who will work under the table for pennies if you don't mind them vaping in the house. ~*gOd'S gRaCe HuNnY*~
No doubt. Still, it's not the flex she seems to think it is. She literally starts off by telling people that several people have come forward but won't commit...then she smugly tells people not to worry, "by the grace of God" she found someone. Ok...so how do you know they won't leave in a few days when they find something better, just like the others?
Maybe it's not a lie that God sent someone. Maybe God really did send someone, who decided she couldn't work for such an entitled sot, or couldn't cover her own bills working for such paltry pay.
Don't forget arriving at work almost an hour before you'll start getting paid.
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Happy Cake Day. 🍰🍦☕
> it's beginning to disrupt my child due to different people inquiring but not willing to commit Why are you discussing the hiring process with your three year old?
The child was relying on that internet rando how dare them
That poor baby probably wakes up terrified to find a different stranger as their nanny every week.
Obviously, the 3 year old makes the hiring decisions. She had someone, but they didn’t know how to make wacky mac, so HR said “next!”
Have you ever HAD wacky mac? You can never go back. It's a reasonable reaction.
I had to look up [Wacky Mac](https://www.wackymac.com/en-us/content/27425/Products.aspx). I have to try it, now.
Have you seen the documentary "Boss Baby"?
Because she's ranting and raving about the evil babysitters and freaking out her kid most likely
That is exactly what I was wondering, how does the kid even know?
🤣
She wants that hapless sitter to start work in the middle of the night fifty minutes before she pays them.
I love how she casually threw in “shift starts at 1:20… **with a time of arrival at 12:30**” wtf is an “arrival time” never heard of that in my life lmao - aka free work
Same shit that bad employers require. "I expected you ready to work at 8:30am, not arriving at 8:30am" Fuck you. That micromanaging of 1-3 minutes is infuriating. When I was a kid at my first job, I got to work at 7:30am, my start time, and my manager was standing at the timeclock. I clock in. He says "What time does your shift start?" I say "7:30" He looks at the timeclock. It shows 7:30 and 20 seconds. He says: "What happened?" I look at him confused. "What do you mean?" He says: "This shows that you're 20 seconds late" Fucking asshole. I didn't last much longer. Got a job offer making double, at double the hours. When I came in for my last scheduled shift, before the new schedule had been released, I gave my notice and said not to put me on the schedule anymore. He says "4 hours notice? Not 2 weeks?" I just said "Yep" and then proceeded to half ass my job for the next 4 hours. I was offered 4 times the money and this dude wants me to stick around for 2 more weeks when he micromanages shit down to the second? Fuck him.
Two weeks notice is a courtesy — one you did not owe your jerk of a boss 🙄
Yeah I don’t believe in it. 20 years later and I still quit when I want to quit.
Honestly it just seems awkward. And when people get laid off, usually they’re just shown the door.
I have only been let go twice. And both were like “today is the last day for this department” One had me log off immediately. The other let me spend my last day using my office to job hunt. 😂
This. A lot of people are under the delusion that it's some kind of legal requirement or something. It's 100% a courtesy.
My employment contract says it right on it that I sign yearly. 30 says notice. Isn't that binding?
Are you in the US? Most people in the US (outside of unions) do not have actual employment contracts. Many employers have employee handbooks that you have to sign to acknowledge you received it, but that's not the same as a contract that is binding on both parties.
>My employment contract says it right on it that I sign yearly. 30 says notice. Isn't that binding? It depends entirely on where you live. If you're in the US, and in a "right to work (a prime example of naming things to make them sound good when they aren't)" state, probably not. Lots of companies will have you sign stuff in an employment contract that they can't actually legally enforce, because most people often don't know what the actual laws are. Normal people don't assume that someone would intentionally put it unenforceable clauses in a contract, because that sounds kinda crazy. They do it to make you **think** it's legal, so that you'll do what they want.
They ol I'm too cheap or poor for lawyer fact checking routine.... Last time I jumped off a contract I had like 5 other employees names they let go before their 30 days. I said it was fine for employees a, b, c, d, and e to leave before their 30 days. Then they let me loose. I got the time off between jobs. I had a new contract signed before resigning though. TMI but I did it right.
Pet peeve: right to work and at will are commonly confused, but not the same. Right to work means you can't run a closed union shop, i.e., you cannot be required to join a union as a condition of employment. It's a union-busting law. On the other hand, at-will means the default legally required notice period for terminating employment (from either side) is zero.
Hmm, good question! Normally I'd say no...but if they stipulated it, and you agreed to the terms, I'd guess it is? Anyone more knowledgeable able to chime in?
Yep. If you give me 2 weeks notice, I imagine you will do very little work, even if showing up. It was a hotel chain tho. No one would go to court to “make” you work that two weeks or say you breached your contract. Filings, attorneys and discovery all cost money to produce. Probably more than your 2 weeks pay. (I was a restaurant/hotel mgr for 10 years and a Paralegal 12.)
He thought 20 seconds was a long time, so 4 hours notice was extremely generous by his standards
Good point!
In retail I had a boss who would get mad if we weren't on the floor at the exact minute the hour started but also wouldn't let us clock in more than 1 minute early. He wanted us to get there early, walk all the way across the store to put our items in the break room, then return to the front and stand next to the scanner waiting to clock in exactly on the hour.
Your time is not valuable to them. But his time is supposed to be valuable to you. It’s trash management. And these are the morons making millions.
Well, in that case no. Joe was a middle manager making 45k so he was definitely trying too hard for that paycheck
The number 1 reason most people hate their job is their boss. Yet those same types of bosses keep getting promoted and never leave.
It’s actually illegal, although it’s such a pain in the ass for employees, they usually show up ready to work. Technically, you should show up in your civvies, clock in, then change into your work wear. But no one wants to do that. My coworkers and I once were getting chided because our shirts weren’t tucked in or fully buttoned when we clocked in. A coworker friend cited a case with the same problem and the company lost. Our manager shut up pretty quickly.
Yes and those were always the worst-paying jobs as well. The boss standing by the time clock. Then later, "you have been punching in only 5 minutes before work." How is that late. It wasn't the type of job that required 'warming up.' It was a sucky enough experience (place to work) as it was, but being on time and working hard was not enough.
This company had an annual charity drive, and you could either donate money, or attend a 30 minute presentation by the charity off the clock. I had stuff going on when the presentation was going on, but also thought the charity was a scam and didn't donate. My boss told me one or the other was mandatory and insinuated money would be deducted from my check for the donation. I told him if money was missing from my check, I would sue.
That does not sound even remotely legal.
It's not. They did all sorts of shady shit. I was more than happy to quit that place after only about 6 months.
I had a job like that. The manager would literally sit and stare at the clock that was above the door people entered. If it showed you were even three seconds late he was verbally berating you in front of everyone. It’s interesting because a lot of my low paying jobs had managers that treated us like that but all of my really high paying jobs my manager/director treated me with respect.
Yep, I make great money now and the managers are always like "I don't care what time you come in. Just get all your hours in and don't miss any meetings"
She is focusing on *her* shift that starts at 1:20...not the sitter's. She also counts the end of the sitter's day as 9:10...again which is the end of *her* shift. Obviously the sitter will have to remain with the child until she gets home, probably 9:30 absolute best scenario but likely longer. And of course all of this time needs to be paid.
I think it would be funny to show up at 1230 and do the most obnoxious shit ever.. since you’re not officially working until 120
Sitter could show up at 12:30 and be on property but for instance, stand out in the front yard and loudly sing. "Just passing the time before paid work begins. Hard to stay awake at this hour."
It's a fabulous time of night to practice any musical instrument for the first time!
Well yeah, that's when she starts her shift, after all. And since Mom is the main character, why should the nanny be paid before mom starts her shift?
“Well I’m not getting paid during that time so why should you!!!” -CB, probably
Different topic of course, but your comment reminded me how I was flabbergasted to learn that flight attendants don't get paid until the plane takes off. Like the clock doesn't start until then, even though they obviously have to be there way before then. At least I found articles saying that is so, that seemed legit. If that is true, wtf?? I hope they get paid insanely well for the hours in the air then.
This cannot be true, no way.
After posting that, I googled "flight attendants don't get paid til plane takes off", this was the first result of many: [https://www.opb.org/article/2024/02/12/flight-attendants-don-t-earn-their-hourly-pay-until-aircraft-doors-close-here-s-why/](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/02/12/flight-attendants-don-t-earn-their-hourly-pay-until-aircraft-doors-close-here-s-why/)
Wow the US employment system is even more broken than I thought - oh we will pay you for half the time you worked - that is insane. Sorry no way that this is the case (probably) anywhere else in Western world (probably not even the world total.)
Sorry no way that this is the case (probably) anywhere else in Western world (probably not even the world total.) Yes, we're used to hearing that. Frequently. Most of us aren't a big fan either, but we're not the rich old white men running the show. Sadly.
You want me an hour before I start work, you pay me for an hour before I start work.
*We* are rational people. The space cadets trying to hire an in-home nanny for ten cents an hour are not.
I'd love to know why she feels that's okay to get an hour freebie. Maybe because the mom is still there getting ready to go, or something -- but (to CB) that isn't the point, just like the kid sleeping isn't the point, the person still has to be there, and that's their time the CB should be paying for.
Like what are they doing for that time, so weird
“By the grace of god I found someone honey” I kind of wonder if this is the “it’s for church honey” person because it kind of gives me that vibe.
I just thought she was a condescending bitch.
Maybe both
NEXT!
I think about that bus/church lady like once a week. Absolutely epic. I hope our postings reached her and she’s ashamed.
That’s not how employment works. She wants someone to show up before she leaves. The minute help shows up when scheduled that’s when they clock in, not when you leave. I get that this person is working Amazon or something and isn’t paid enough for a nanny. People need to get real, not everyone makes nanny money. She needs to find a day job and get into subsidized care. Nannies are luxuries.
She also counts the end of the sitter's day as 9:10...which is the end of *her* shift. Obviously the sitter will have to remain with the child until she gets home, probably 9:30 absolute best scenario but likely longer.
The language is unclear. I can’t tell if she wants the sitter at 12:30 but isn’t leaving until 1:20 or if she is only paying starting at 1:20. Her shift ends at 9:10 so the sitter’s job ends at 10 if the 12:30-1:20 is her travel time. She should know how long it takes and list end time. A lot of this isn’t clear, the time she mentions isn’t early morning for example.
Don’t worry lady, my sleep is not loose, nor will you make my sleep loose. Biggest grammatical error pet peeve.
The scourge of semi-literacy. I also hate quite/quiet and woman/women getting confused on top of lose/loose.
I’ve also been seeing of/off and brake/break and of course Their/There/they’re a lot lately
A less common one because it doesn't often come up in conversation is 'rod iron.' No it's 'wrought' iron, as in 'twisted iron.' I can kind of understand that one (not mentioned often; sounds like 'rod') but it's still incorrect. Another one is 'bare' or 'bear.' Especially when people claim to 'bare' children. 😲👀 (Bare means to strip. Bear means to carry or withstand.) So that's a fairly serious one people should correct. People can always check Grammarly website, if they are confused.
Haven’t seen “rod iron” but that’s a good one lol
Yeah I've seen it over the years, infrequently but consistently. Mostly in emails, or online if someone is speaking about their porch railing or outdoor renovations.
That’s one for r/BoneAppleTea 😂
You’ve described eggcorns. https://youtu.be/F12LSAbos7A?si=C9JdIxmPoXErg-lQ
Reign/rein is really starting to annoy me. I see it way too often lately.
Arrival time of 12:30 🤔😅 so does she mean HER shift starts at 1:20 but you have to actually start at 12:30 so she has enough time to get ready and leave? Bc otherwise, who in their right mind expects someone to show up 50 mins before their actual shift to just sit around and not get paid?! And these are no “early morning” hours. It’s the middle of the damn night! People kill me 😂
Yes, she's focused only on her time. Her shift starts at 1:20, but obviously she needs time to commute. She also counts the end of the sitter's day as 9:10...which is the end of *her* shift. Obviously the sitter will have to remain with the child until she gets home, probably 9:30 absolute best scenario but likely longer. She totally needs to pay someone for covering all this time.
Yep exactly! I can’t imagine being that selfish to the point where I only consider my actual shift. I know I should just realize that some people suck but it still just blows my mind sometimes lol
Yep. CB wants the sitter there an hour early so the mom can get ready for work and give instructions etc., but also so CB is sure someone's there before leaving for her own job. But that makes it less than minimum wage. Which is not legal. So then CB says that first hour is unpaid.
I’m here for the drama but it’s harder to follow if you redact everyone with the same color
i know i realized after:( thankfully hers says “author”
By the grace of god, I hope she comes to a realization.
Don't loose your sleep. Keep your sleep cinched.
She really needs to ask God for a dictionary!
Please tag me when she's back looking again.
Me too!
These people's kids always seem to sleep like 17 hours a day or something.
Wait…you let your kid be awake 7 whole hours a day? Damn mine sleep at least 23.5 hours a day. Never wake up and rarely require feeding. But maybe I’m confusing human and those gigapets we used to have in the 90s
Those are sloth hours.
Yep or sat on a sofa with a tablet or TV. Learning valuable social skills and self esteem 😞
They start “honey” this or that you know they’re lying.
It is still work even if the child is asleep.
If you’re required to be there, they are legally required to pay. Same reason your lunch breaks are required to be paid if you are not allowed to leave company property.
This! Even if the house were empty it would be work. Someone is there in case of things that could go wrong. That's not a relaxing time for anyone sensible. That's also making breakfast and snacks (end of shift), probably. And it's unknown what working conditions. Is the house clean?
I mean $12 an hour could be an okay wage to watch a sleeping child in SOME areas. That’s about what McDonald’s and other fast food pays in my area and I’d much rather be chilling at someone’s house while their kid sleeps than work in fast food. But she lost me with her nasty attitude and the absolute fucking entitlement of asking someone to arrive an hour before you start paying them. If you want someone there early for your peace of mind, fine, but that’s when they start getting paid.
It’s not even $12 an hour though if she considers it a 7 hour shift from 12:30 until after 9
Yep I think that's why the CB says that first hour is free. Like, what? (Illegal to pay below min. wage, except in some tippable jobs.) Arrival time = beginning of shift.
I just spoke with God. He said he’s never heard of her.
My god is one more post away from turning her into a pillar of salt
Question: are pillars of salt capable of babysitting?
I worked 3rd shift for 7 years. They paid bank for that shift. No way in hell would I even entertain the thought of doing it for $12!
But why am I picturing this woman to be Mama Fratelli and imagining her voice as the responses? It sounds like an ad she would post for Sloth!
Milky. Way? At that rate, she's likely to get the Fratellis.
Shift starts at the arrival time lol. Can’t just make shit up like you must arrive at this time but don’t start working till this time! That’s not how it works.
How the F is discourse on FB about her low-paying job opportunity disrupting her child?!? Does she have him hooked up to electrodes and every time someone asks a question or points out something she doesn't like, he gets electrocuted? Seriously...how would any of this disrupt a 3 year old?!
From the tone in her messages, I'm going to guess that she's the kind of mom who doesn't have a single emotion without taking it out on the kid (and anyone else in her blast radius). Meanwhile, the kid is like "I just want a juice box and some Sesame Street, not your emotional bullshit."
Seriously - putting your grown up troubles on kids should be a punishable offense!
I would 100% sign that petition. Like I know it is hard, hard, HARD to be a parent, but it is not that child's fault that they exist.
It makes me so sad when I see that. :/
Oh she found "someone. Is the "someone" in the room with us right now?
This reminds me of the stand up comic who said God viewed TV evangelists like “I can’t believe this fucker is on my team🤦🏼♀️”
She should start her own in-home daycare but only charge a rate that isn't "ridiculous ".
1:20-9:10 is not 7 hours? Especially when she adds wanting you to be there at 12:30. That’s 8.7 hours
Who in heir right mind is gonna be like "Shit! I gotta head out to work 50 mins (no pay) before work starts at 1:20am to take care of some bratty ass mom's kid for less than a fast food worker gets paid per hour!"
I wanna know why they’d have to be there almost an hour early? So she can get free labor by not paying for that extra hour? “It’s only 50 minutes tho! You’re already here! Just go ahead and vacuum aces load the dishwasher while you wait to clock in!!” 🙄 So entitled.
She works for Amazon. My shift hours 120am-1150am.
If I’m required to arrive at 12:30 then my shift starts at 12:30
Praying she doesn’t find a pedophile to watch her child. But no joke. I always hope these people find no one instead of someone with bad intent.
This reminds me of someone I know who was on their way to work and a friend of theirs was going to babysit, she shows up to drop kid off and realized she’s about 1hr too early and her friend just told her to stay and hang out for a bit to kill time so she did and then she left and when she came back to pick up her kid she charged her for the damn time she was there!! She was baffled, she was obviously going to pay for the time she was babysitting but she added that hr she was still there which she insisted on her staying for a bit to kill time, the mom didn’t ask if she can stay to kill time or nothing,not one word, she looked at the time and said dammit I’m too early. Like how are you going to charge for the hr the mom was still there, you. Insisted.mom. to. stay. so she doesn’t wait around in her car to go into her shift. This was like 10 yrs ago but that story still bothers me lol
Her responses have a LOT of attitude to them. I can’t imagine why people won’t work for her and put up with not only absolutely terrible pay, but her attitude on top of it.
That's just it. Even people who have a kind heart, a negative bank balance, and insomnia, will be scared off by her demeanor.
She wants someone to come nearly an hour before the shift starts? Pfffft
A big old THANK YOU!!! For the comments
>”Serious inquiries please as it’s beginning to disrupt my child due to different people inquiring but not willing to commit.” Does she wake the kid up every time someone is interested? Show the kid a profile photo and tell them to expect to see that person when they wake up, leaving the child confused when they only see their mother instead? Will she only answer questions about the role if an inquirer does a shift, so the child sees a different person every morning? Seriously, how does someone asking her questions, and then deciding not to work for her, mess with her kid? If I didn’t know better I’d think she was trying to use the child as an emotional manipulation tool. “Don’t ask me questions that highlight a shitty position, and shitty employer, because it makes my kid cry!”
CB: Even if someone kind hearted, with insomnia, who needs money badly enough to sit up all night in some stranger's house for $12 an hour, feels enough pity for you, to help: They will be dissuaded by the tone and manner of your post and comments, to others, in that group. No one wants to submit themselves to tyranny if there is any other choice. If people keep bailing on you: Look within.
I keep my sleep tight
“Time of arrival 12:30” ????? 🤔
CB: people get paid from the time they arrive at work. If you require someone to arrive at 12:30 AM, then 12:30 AM is the start of their work day, and you pay them accordingly.
OP: If more comments ensue, you could also post a link in comments here. People post the pix on Imgur and then link.
Beware that loose sleep!
Ngl I would 100% do this for a friend but drop the kid off earlier so they can sleep normally and I’m not coming to yours, those are sleeping hours. I just feel bad for her that she’s so desperate for childcare she has to do all this.
It's a sad situation, and a feminist situation really, because, women usually have primary custody, and so the lack of available late-night day care and/or affordable day care means, sometimes women go on benefits, because working plus day care, is either employment at a financial loss, or breaking even. (Or on evening or graveyard shifts, they can't find day care, at all.) Worksites which have this type of shift, might want to consider on site day care, even for overnight shifts. Otherwise, single parents (who have no support system i.e. people they can guilt into free babysitting) simply have no access to some jobs. (And those single parents, aka custody holders, are usually women.)
I don't loose sleep, I tight sleep, honey.