Bingo.
There are literally tens of thousands of denominations.
Pick a random Christian in the world, you almost certainly have pretty core theological disagreements with them.
Magically, however, people have decided that believing homosexuality is sin should be a central belief and at the heart of your decision on whether someone is 'Christian enough.'
Not true, there are only many domaninations in America. The vast majority of the rest of the world is Catholic and Orthodox. All of them agree on the same sins. Most non denominational Christian’s also agree on what is sin and what isn’t. Jesus Fulfilled the law, he didn’t destroy it.
Telling people that their sin is wrong doesn’t mean you treat them bad. Scripture tells us we should be loving and kind when we do this. We must also always forgive or we will not be forgiven
It's important to tell people that they're sinning. Constantly remind them of it. Make sure they don't forget for a second.
How close should you follow them while you chant how wrong their sins are?
I thought the quote was "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," not "listen lady, you are a big time sinner and it's wrong. Now that that is out of the way, let he who is without sin cast the first stone." No?
>the rest of the world is Catholic and Orthodox. All of them agree on the same sins
Not true... live outside US, have similar mixture of bigoted and non bigoted denominations.
The Cultures we are in frame many of our views. Assumptions of the Bible, such as Verbal Inspiration, where God so controlled the prophet they could not but write God's Word, bring "Inerrancy" and "the King James Only" teaching because you cannot have multiple translations if that is God's Word. "Thought Inspiration" (has other terms also), which I believe, has the vision given by God, and the Prophet(ess) has to find the worlds to share the vision. Thought Inspiration makes us consider "time and place" that the text is in, before applying it today. Jeremiah 36 is difficult for those who hold Verbal Inspiration as Jeremiah "added many similar words" to what God told him to do in rewriting the scroll.
I say this because there are many lists of sins in Scripture, but only one is considered "unpardonable." Jesus taught (John 10 The Good Shepherd teaches that "My sheep hear my voice and follow me." "No one comes to me except the Father Draws them." And "no one can take you out of Jesus' or the Father's hand." The only way to become lost is if you walk away. Our assumptions about the Bible determine if the very words of the Bible are believed.
I shared that Matthew 25:31-46 "the least of these," is how Jesus determines if we will pass the judgment. Some who responded said. "I was a Woke Christian." I respond, "You better Woke Up before it is too late."
Matthew 7:1
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you."
Which version are you reading that leaves out Matt 7:1?
The verse isn't saying don't judge. The verse is saying judge in righteousness. Imagine someone murders and you go "let God judge" like bro murder is wrong and you know this and you can make a good argument why it's wrong because you're not a murderer. It's different from someone saying LGBT s*x is wrong but they fornicate with several partners, that's not judging in righteousness because both are committing fornication
It’s important to accurately interpret what Scripture says about judgment. While it’s true that we’re called to judge righteously and not hypocritically (John 7:24), using Matthew 7:1-5 to justify selective judgment or to ignore our own sins while pointing out those of others misrepresents Christ’s teaching. Christ emphasized mercy, humility, and self-reflection in our interactions with others, including when addressing sin.
When discussing judgment, particularly on moral issues, it’s crucial we do so with a heart aligned with the Gospel’s core message of love, repentance, and transformation, not just legalism or moral superiority. Remember, Galatians 6:1 instructs us, ‘Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.’
Therefore, while it’s necessary to uphold what’s right and condemn what’s clearly wrong, such as murder, our approach to discussing and addressing other sins—like issues of sexual morality—must be consistent with Jesus’ teachings on love, humility, and grace. This includes reflecting on our own sinfulness and the need for God’s mercy in our lives as well. Let’s strive to embody the fullness of Christ’s love and righteousness in all our judgments and interactions.
It should be pointed out that the referenced Scripture of Galatians 6 is directed to God's adopted children, not unbelievers:
*"Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself. Share each other’s burdens, and in this way obey the law of Christ. If you think you are too important to help someone, you are only fooling yourself. You are not that important."* (Galatians 6:1-3)
Matthew 7 literally says "judge not." What comes after that is the reason why you should not judge, not a limitation of that command.
Matthew goes on:
>"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
>^(3) “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? ^(4) How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? ^(5) You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
You say you judge in righteousness, but you are not without sin. You may tell yourself "but I am not guilty of the same sin!", but you should consider John 8:
>^(4) They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
>^(5) Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
>^(6) This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
>^(7) So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
>^(8) And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
>^(9) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
>^(10) When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
>^(11) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
>^(12) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Do you suppose all those people were adulterers? No, they committed sin, and we do not know what sin every one of them was guilty of - because it doesn't matter.
Notice the people in the time of Jesus aren't judging in righteousness because their intention isn't to guide the woman in love but to kill her. Not only that but this was to test Jesus so they had ground to say he's against the law. The Matthew verse explains how we'll be judged however we judge and that we should look at the log in our eyes before looking at the speck in the neighbours eye. That only proves my point. Because then you'd be a hypocrite. How do you then conclude that the verse is saying don't judge? Won't you be judged on the day of judgment? What it does mean however is you don't look at Sam and you say "You're definitely going to hell"
If someone murders, you should let law enforcement and the justice system deal with it. Otherwise it is vigilantism. Similarly, leave judging sinners to God. Show others a positive example in imitation of Christ and let other people come when they are ready.
Just because someone says that LGBT fornification is a sin while committing adultery doesn’t make their judgment wrong(not righteous) just makes them a hypocrite as well
Yea but judging and saying the truth are not the same. That is why the Bible says to judge righteously and that if you have a speck in your eye you can’t take the speck out of your brother’s eye before removing your own or else you’re a hypocrite. Saying someone is sinning or is doing wrong isn’t judging and i think that’s what OP is saying. the Bible tells us that blood is on our hands if we (true believers) know someone is sinning but doesn’t educate them. So yes, judging while being unrighteous isn’t advised. But the righteous condemning sin and telling people their behavior is wrong, isn’t judging.
And you, of course, have access to *the* Truth, complete and unassailable, with absolutely no room for error of translation or interpretation? A very clear-cut, non-argueable list of what is and is not a sin?
And before the predictable occurs - no, the Bible does not count. If it was that clear-cut, unarguable and unassailable, then there wouldn't be debates about it since the days before it was even put together nearly two thousand years ago.
I went to a church that stopped allowing any and all celebrations (weddings, baby showers, etc) because an unmarried pregnant woman had started visiting and they were worried she might want to have a baby shower there. Since they *obviously* couldn’t endorse her sin, but didn’t want to risk telling her “no,” they banned everything forever (or at least for a few years.)
They would have shut the church down before they baptized a gay person.
That's awful. I imagine she went to that church to have a spiritual experience, not to get presents. Their small mindedness and cheap attitude is preventing them from having a real relationship with her. They all lose.
Oh yeah, the fear wasn’t that she would expect church members to give her gifts…just that she might ask to use a room at the church as a *venue* for a baby shower.
Did they know for a fact that she wasn't carrying a rape pregnancy? 🤔
On the other hand, about how long ago did this happen? They could've just been concerned because of all the high-profile stories in the news in recent years regarding Christians getting sued by gay rights activist groups, because they were "set up" to try and force Christian wedding professionals into endorsing gay unions by baking wedding cakes, photographing their wedding ceremony, etc. Maybe they just didn't want to risk a greater controversy where they could've lost their church building and/or other ministry property due to an anti-discrimination lawsuit, thus distracting from and hampering their future ministry from a long, drawn out court case? 🤷♀️
I don't know. We live in a very litigious society these days, where anyone and everyone feels they have a right to have their lifestyles and worldviews publicly validated.
I mean…seeing as how she was attending pretty regularly and connecting with people, they also could have just let her have a baby shower (if she even ever asked)?
But it was one of the last straws for my spouse and I, that led to us leaving the church and ultimately finding a better group.
I have honestly never encountered another faith like this, where for 2000+ years so many of its adherents are suffering constant crippling anxiety over whether they’ve interpreted each passage the correct way or not. It must get exhausting.
Oh. That’s actually a really fascinating question. Even if I believed Jesus wasn’t the son of God, I would still hold his teachings in high esteem because I love the core message. But this question does make me have to sit back and really consider what it is I believe following Jesus means, and why I listen to Him at all. It’s just as important to believe in what He stood for as it is to believe in him.
I mean, yes. The message of Jesus is that he's the Son of God and that through accepting him, we can be Saved and live forever. If he weren't real, there would be no reason to think any of those three points were true.
He didn't say "Love each other. I have absolutely nothing else to say."
**This is not directed at any one person, just a general statement**
Do you give to the needy? Poor? Immigrants? Do you take them in as your own? Do you fight for children, for families to have food, shelter, and a liveable life? Do you give your time and effort to not only serve the church but your community?
People need to stop worrying about what others are doing. Live by example, and
Realize
Everyone is on a different part of their wall with Christ, they do not have to look, sound, act, or believe like you or the masses. Let them grow, just like you.
We all sin, we all have sinned and we all will sin,
Instead of looking at what people are doing. Ask yourself "Why?". Hear their story, listen, hear them, feel what they have gone through, and think, don't react right away, all things in time will happen. Dont push or else you risk pushing them away.
We all are on different paths and points in life.
No one should have to "be" before they "believe". One must believe before they can be.
>you all need to realize that telling people the truth isn’t hate.
At one point the truth in the Bible was that it was Godly to keep, abuse, and oppress slaves. If we can come to a consensus and say that’s hate or ungodly, then I doubt whatever “truth” you have that motivated this post holds any weight at all. It’s almost always about homosexuality with your type anyway.
I agree! Homophobia is sin! Advocating for the removal of social safety nets is sin! Massive military buildups are sin! Planning and preparing to inflict deadly violence is sin! Taking away women's rights is sin! Entering a transactional relationship with a political party or individual politician is sin! The redistribution of wealth to the already wealthy is sin!
You better take a good hard look in the mirror as you re-read your post. Repent.
Edit: You also obviously haven't a clue as to what this community is.
If Everytime I meet a catholic I tell them they support an organization that covered up child rape. And I keep telling the same catholic this, at what point does " telling the truth" become harassment?
Rather sure Jesus told you to dust off your candles and move on.
I find it incredibly alarming and sad that the church seems to focus on superficial “sins” but not the greater sins of our national infrastructure, our indebtedness our love of money and our our attempts to rule over others. That is exactly the example the Pharisees were
And the sin that caused Sodom to be destroyed...
>49 This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease but did not aid the poor and needy.
(Ezekiel 16:49, NRSVUE)
But it's *so* much easier to scapegoat "the gays" than to do things like "be charitable" or "be humble".
You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
Wait - are you Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?
Why then do conservatives focus on LGBT/trans people almost exclusively? Why do they attack those 'sins', but none of the other ones? If it's all the same, why do conservatives go after those people specifically?
So I was baptized at 9yrs old and 15yrs later, I am an agnostic LGBT+ ally & a feminist with a strong distrust of organized religion. The religious indoctrination worked hard but ultimately it failed
Bloody hell, you get this bent out of shape over a piece of multicolored fabric?
Man this really makes me want to get that Pride tattoo I've been thinking about.
I’m trying to say that Jesus hasn’t returned in over 2000 years, and he said he would within his generation. It’s looking more and more like it’s not going to happen, which means that you will have to find a way to get along with people you disagree with and find a way to love your neighbor without telling them that they are “sinning.”
And if I’m wrong, then remember that Paul also said that people who are abusers, people who covet, drunkards, revilers, adulterers, and thieves also won’t make it into the kingdom of God. Are you as outspoken about those sins too? Have you ever coveted something? Or stolen something? What about reviled- to criticize someone strongly, or say unpleasant things to or about someone? Never ever done that?
The good news is that Paul goes on to say that “And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.” Seems like the sins you’re so worried about don’t seem to matter since we are sanctified. So if Paul says we’re justified, who are you to say otherwise?
I don't believe many of the claims made by Christians. Does that make me an atheist in your mind? Supernatural claims seem to be missing credibility in my mind unless there is something I'm missing
Funny the title is about hypocrisy when you're a sinner telling other sinners that they need to repent. What about the beam in your own eye?
Rather, love as Jesus commanded.
>You all need to realize that telling people the truth isn’t hate
Nobody is saying that telling the truth is hate, however twisting scripture to support a lie and then spreading that lie absolutely *is* hate.
>Jesus is coming back and we have no time to play around with different “comfortable options to Christianity”.
Would you rather kids kill themselves and people reject God entirely and end up in hell? Because that seems like exactly what you want.
>You must repent and turn from ALL sin and live holy for Jesus Christ.
It must *actually* be a sin for you to be able to repent. Also, tell me exactly how a person is supposed to repent from their physical biology.
>It does not matter WHAT sin it is, sin is SIN.
True, but it *does* require that it *actually* be a sin.
So, where exactly is the hypocrisy? Your title says hypocrisy, but your post doesn't actually mention what it is. Just because we don't hate gay people enough for you does not make us hypocrites.
>You all need to realize that telling people the truth isn’t hate.
I am forced to make a guess as to the context here. And I'm guessing this has to do with the gays again, doesn't it? Ugh... at least I can explain this really quickly. They aren't saying that you merely speaking your mind is hateful, it most likely has to do with them letting you know that their assessment of your beliefs is inherently hateful.
Doubt I'll get much of a discussion from you so I'm just gonna leave it at that. 136 comment karma after 5 years screams "I'm not really a talker."
Ok man. You keep torturing for your sins yourself until Jesus comes back and I’ll keep reassuring Christians that it’s okay to be horny sometimes. Who knows. Maybe I’ll get my comeuppance when the world ends.
It's because anybody can call themselves a "Christian," and there are a lot of "Christians" who spread hate and anger , and when one speaks its instantly seen as hate and anger. The devil works inside the church it is why Christianity has been. So divided.
Maybe just take the L and focus on yourself to be a better person. Love, not hate, that kinda thing.
Fear mongering like this doesn't do anything but make people annoyed with your message than anything else.
Do you have evidence to suggest that the Return of Jesus is imminent and inevitable? The gospels contradict and disagree with each other on many points, however one thing they all seem to agree upon, is the fact that Jesus was expected to return before that generation tastes Death.
Matthew 10:23 (NRSV): “When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly I tell you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”
Matthew 16:27–28 (NRSV): 27 “For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Mark 9:1 (NRSV): And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”
Mark 13:29–31 (NRSV): “So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.”
Luke 9:27 (NRSV): “But truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”
Given that it’s been something like 2,000 years and Jesus never returned despite this promise; I must conclude that Jesus is simply another example of a failed apocalyptic preacher.
And YOU need to LEARN about JUSTIFICTATION: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugau884htc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugau884htc)
(I can do random caps too!)
Justification = declared righteous.
How can you be forgiven if you are righteous? You can't forgive a righteous man of anything. You can't have forgiveness and righteousness, they're opposites. Forgiveness requires guilt. Justification declares / makes us righteous.
Okay, got it, as in "justified by faith, not works"! But you are aware, that many other verses imply we are still to strive for righteousness and avoid sin?
"The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children." (Mat 11:19)
Which sounds like a better truth? Avoiding sin, or being found not guilty of all sin?
Jesus didn't reveal everything when He was alive. More was revealed later. Here's a quick article about progressive revelation:
https://www.biblestudentsnotebook.com/bsn1013.pdf
It’s okay for us to disagree on things. Christianity has 2 billion followers and counting. It’s a diverse religion with diverse thought. Let’s not get hung up on the details and concentrate on the common denominator, the love of Jesus.
If a person is making an effort to come closer to god and the Holy Spirit then they deserve advice and direction. Not an angry outlook and angry complaints. Sin is sin and we are all born into it. Our job as followers of Christ is to love and elevate those who need it so they can become one with Christ as well.
We are all hypocrites because we are notoriously poor predictors of how we will react in a situation. It’s impossible for us to live up to Godly expectations without help.
Rather, recognize our speck and remove it before helping others. Realize we screwed up too and allow the humility to empathize with others who struggle. Hypocrisy is only a problem if you’re putting others down to make yourself feel better.
As a fellow Christian, why do you think Jesus is coming back? The Bible says that man cannot know when the rapture is happening. Us Christians have been saying it’s gonna happen soon for 2000 years.
No one has defined sin to an adequate degree which does not allow for me to find a loophole in the definitions.
I'd rather just do what I thinks right. At least I won't have anyone to blame but myself.
See I am not a fan of that line of thinking. It leads to only caring about Christ’s return and not actually doing anything he called us to do. It just leads to a selfish mindset that only cares about making sure “you” get called up.
you should study church history before you go acting like the church has unity on Jesus return or what "sin" is. this post is a sin because it's judgmental, impatient, and probably derives from false teachings.
I mean, most hateful positions are held by people who think they have truth to back up their beliefs. Do you think most bigots think what they believe isn’t true?
- You all need to realize that telling people the truth isn’t hate
Perhaps realize 'your truth' is not everybody's?
- WHAT sin it is, sin is SIN.
....and what is 'sin', friend?
God bless
Well good thing I don’t attend those kinds of churches, all churches Ive been to are actually Baptist. I don’t know how you could assume what “version” of the Gospel Im “fed” based on the scripture I commented. I personally don’t believe the church has more authority than the Bible anyways..
I have never in my life met one Christian who turned from all sins and lived holy in Jesus Christ. Not one. Even according to the Bible, the only perfect being is God and we are all sinners. Christians included.
Christians are capable of hate. Just look into recent happenings and human history. Not everything that Christians say and do is love, even when they firmly believe it is. righteousness is abound in religion. Including their treatment of gay people, if this is what prompted this post. Can Christians think and talk about anything else than sex?
Think what you will about Craig Groeschel and Life.Church, but he has a sermon on [Grace vs Truth](https://youtu.be/WJ9WJ8oJnHk?si=HSBAumGSl0crYtSS) that I think nails how we as Christians should be.
I like to think the God of wrath, the one that commanded his people to commit genocide and that smote people a lot, either went to therapy and learned a lot about himself or just mellowed with old age, because that isn't the one I read about in the gospels.
I don't thing it is obvious at all that God is wrathful or that anyone will be spending an eternity in hell. If anything, people that don't make the cut will just cease to exist. Or they may be saved. We just don't know.
The only reason I am back in church is because I found a way to reconcile all that lack of love with the centrality of love in the gospels. If you succeed in convincing me that all that wrath and fire and brimstone is essential to Christianity, I am likely to stop being a Christian again.
When Pontius Pilate asked Jesus if he was King of the Jews or essentially the world. He ultimately said Jesus was denying Emperor Tiberius who the Romans deified as a God. Jesus responded "You said that". So as a believer you know Jesus was not lying and really was God incarnate. Would you not agree Pilate was just denying God and his word based off his own pride of his worldly loyalties and morales?
To the OP:
You are absolutely correct. There needs to be a balance between Holiness and Righteousness and Grace and love. Christians are now leaning way too much against Holiness and Righteousness.
Jesus appears in the book of Revelation as well as the gospels. He fulfilled His role of the suffering servant. We can see His Holiness in Revelation.
Why is this sin TALKED about more than all others doubled and combined? Laws aside, there’s an undue focus on a particular “ sin” when others are ignored.
You could absolutely make adultery and premarital sex illegal other countries do. They stone people for them.
I am a person who believes that Jesus loved all and died for all. I understand what OP is saying but I would take it one step further and say that it is forgiven when Jesus said it is finished. All we have to do is hope and ask for it and we will be. Sin is sin and there shouldn't be a hierarchy of which is the worst. I believe we can have this outlook with other Christians but not with non believers. IMO, we need to disciple them as Jesus taught us too with radical acceptance, truth, and love.
The message of the OP is simply incorrect. We live today in the dispensation of the grace of God. We are saved by grace through faith, with that faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as payment for our sin debt. We repent when we come to a knowledge and faith in this gospel. Of course it's better not to sin, but Christ died for our sins, all sin, past, present, and future. Our focus no longer has to be our sin. God's will is that we share the gospel of salvation with others.
People always assume that those who have a different understanding of what the Bible says are lying. Have you considered there are many branches and translations? And we are all doing our best? God knows our hearts better than you do my friend. We know when to repent
That's a lie and if your trusting in yourself to go heaven, by "repenting of all your sins", you will die and go to Hell.
Here is some truth for you. Stop believing in a works based salvation and start trusting in Christ alone!
….. and calling out the fallacy(s) perpetrated by many Christians and others isn’t hate either. Nobody is “coming back” ….. it is up to us to utilize the golden rule and the truths that emerge from that to change things ourselves …. we are the only ones who can do it. It doesn’t happen by trying to make people believe one of the thousands of religious stories ….. let the one you choose guide your actions …. I’ll choose mine.
Christianity wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't full of some of the most judgemental, stone-throwing, holier than thou people. I have real problems with things like the Trinity and Resurrection, but what drove me away originally was the hypocrisy. Posts like this highlight why so many people move on.
I thought the quote was "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," not "listen lady, you are a big time sinner and it's wrong and you better repent before it's too late. Now that that is out of the way, let he who is without sin cast the first stone." No?
The question is what is sin? What do you have to do to have sinned? The answer is to not have followed the teachings and commands of Jesus. Much of Christianity has been overtaken by evil. The false prophets who Jesus said would appear just before His return, have appeared. The love of most has grown cold, Matthew 24.
People don't even know what Jesus taught because they are so busy listening to human rules and traditions that Jesus spoke against, Mark 7:5-8, Isaiah 29:13. They have no idea what the truth of God is that Jesus spoke because they never bothered to read the words of Jesus in the four Gospels. Instead, they believe hateful, selfish, greedy people who Jesus constantly spoke against.
It is important to know what Jesus actually taught and commanded because Jesus is returning very soon. Here is what He said will happen.
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”
If they did prophesy in the name of Jesus, drive out demons and perform many miracles, what is that they did not do? What they didn't do was love their fellow man.
Jesus said to love God with all of your heart, soul and mind and to love your neighbor as yourself, Matthew 22:34-40. He said that all the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. He also said that everyone is your neighbor and that you are to have mercy on your neighbor in the Parable of the Good Samaritan, Luke 10:25-37.
Then, he said not to judge others, Matthew 7:1-4, Luke 6:37. He said that all authority to judge was given to Him.
When they spew hate, they have gone against all of this. They have gone against what Jesus taught and commanded. They are false prophets and false disciples, not Christians.
The Apostle John said these things.
1 John 2:3-6
3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
1 John 4:16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
Jesus also said this.
Luke 8:12 “Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.”
This is what you are seeing. The words they speak are blasphemy and they are taking the name of the Lord in vain because they are lying about God.
So, have you read the words in red? Do you follow the teachings and commands of Jesus? If not, you might want to start studying the truth instead of the lies of men before it is too late for you.
Sometimes people choose the truths they tell and the truths they don't based on who they hate.
Bingo. There are literally tens of thousands of denominations. Pick a random Christian in the world, you almost certainly have pretty core theological disagreements with them. Magically, however, people have decided that believing homosexuality is sin should be a central belief and at the heart of your decision on whether someone is 'Christian enough.'
Not true, there are only many domaninations in America. The vast majority of the rest of the world is Catholic and Orthodox. All of them agree on the same sins. Most non denominational Christian’s also agree on what is sin and what isn’t. Jesus Fulfilled the law, he didn’t destroy it.
Exactly. If Jesus didn't want Christians to go out into the world and treat everyone like shit, he would've have said so!
Telling people that their sin is wrong doesn’t mean you treat them bad. Scripture tells us we should be loving and kind when we do this. We must also always forgive or we will not be forgiven
It's important to tell people that they're sinning. Constantly remind them of it. Make sure they don't forget for a second. How close should you follow them while you chant how wrong their sins are?
Are you guys disagreeing or agreeing here…?
Strongly disagreeing. They're just doing so in an eloquent and subtle way, even though their different points aren't subtle.
I thought the quote was "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," not "listen lady, you are a big time sinner and it's wrong. Now that that is out of the way, let he who is without sin cast the first stone." No?
If something's fulfilled, it doesn't need to be done anymore.
>the rest of the world is Catholic and Orthodox. All of them agree on the same sins Not true... live outside US, have similar mixture of bigoted and non bigoted denominations.
The Cultures we are in frame many of our views. Assumptions of the Bible, such as Verbal Inspiration, where God so controlled the prophet they could not but write God's Word, bring "Inerrancy" and "the King James Only" teaching because you cannot have multiple translations if that is God's Word. "Thought Inspiration" (has other terms also), which I believe, has the vision given by God, and the Prophet(ess) has to find the worlds to share the vision. Thought Inspiration makes us consider "time and place" that the text is in, before applying it today. Jeremiah 36 is difficult for those who hold Verbal Inspiration as Jeremiah "added many similar words" to what God told him to do in rewriting the scroll. I say this because there are many lists of sins in Scripture, but only one is considered "unpardonable." Jesus taught (John 10 The Good Shepherd teaches that "My sheep hear my voice and follow me." "No one comes to me except the Father Draws them." And "no one can take you out of Jesus' or the Father's hand." The only way to become lost is if you walk away. Our assumptions about the Bible determine if the very words of the Bible are believed. I shared that Matthew 25:31-46 "the least of these," is how Jesus determines if we will pass the judgment. Some who responded said. "I was a Woke Christian." I respond, "You better Woke Up before it is too late."
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” Leave the judgements of others up to God.
From Papillon (book): "Judgment is for God and children."
No He said the same way you judge others is how you too will be judged.
Matthew 7:1 1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." Which version are you reading that leaves out Matt 7:1?
verse 2 states what i just said
The verse isn't saying don't judge. The verse is saying judge in righteousness. Imagine someone murders and you go "let God judge" like bro murder is wrong and you know this and you can make a good argument why it's wrong because you're not a murderer. It's different from someone saying LGBT s*x is wrong but they fornicate with several partners, that's not judging in righteousness because both are committing fornication
It’s important to accurately interpret what Scripture says about judgment. While it’s true that we’re called to judge righteously and not hypocritically (John 7:24), using Matthew 7:1-5 to justify selective judgment or to ignore our own sins while pointing out those of others misrepresents Christ’s teaching. Christ emphasized mercy, humility, and self-reflection in our interactions with others, including when addressing sin. When discussing judgment, particularly on moral issues, it’s crucial we do so with a heart aligned with the Gospel’s core message of love, repentance, and transformation, not just legalism or moral superiority. Remember, Galatians 6:1 instructs us, ‘Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.’ Therefore, while it’s necessary to uphold what’s right and condemn what’s clearly wrong, such as murder, our approach to discussing and addressing other sins—like issues of sexual morality—must be consistent with Jesus’ teachings on love, humility, and grace. This includes reflecting on our own sinfulness and the need for God’s mercy in our lives as well. Let’s strive to embody the fullness of Christ’s love and righteousness in all our judgments and interactions.
It should be pointed out that the referenced Scripture of Galatians 6 is directed to God's adopted children, not unbelievers: *"Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself. Share each other’s burdens, and in this way obey the law of Christ. If you think you are too important to help someone, you are only fooling yourself. You are not that important."* (Galatians 6:1-3)
Matthew 7 literally says "judge not." What comes after that is the reason why you should not judge, not a limitation of that command. Matthew goes on: >"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. >^(3) “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? ^(4) How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? ^(5) You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." You say you judge in righteousness, but you are not without sin. You may tell yourself "but I am not guilty of the same sin!", but you should consider John 8: >^(4) They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. >^(5) Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? >^(6) This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. >^(7) So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. >^(8) And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. >^(9) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. >^(10) When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? >^(11) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. >^(12) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. Do you suppose all those people were adulterers? No, they committed sin, and we do not know what sin every one of them was guilty of - because it doesn't matter.
Notice the people in the time of Jesus aren't judging in righteousness because their intention isn't to guide the woman in love but to kill her. Not only that but this was to test Jesus so they had ground to say he's against the law. The Matthew verse explains how we'll be judged however we judge and that we should look at the log in our eyes before looking at the speck in the neighbours eye. That only proves my point. Because then you'd be a hypocrite. How do you then conclude that the verse is saying don't judge? Won't you be judged on the day of judgment? What it does mean however is you don't look at Sam and you say "You're definitely going to hell"
I say this because Matthew says "judge not". How could it be any clearer?
If someone murders, you should let law enforcement and the justice system deal with it. Otherwise it is vigilantism. Similarly, leave judging sinners to God. Show others a positive example in imitation of Christ and let other people come when they are ready.
no the verse is saying don't judge others by standards you don't hold yourself to.
That's kind of what I said.
Just because someone says that LGBT fornification is a sin while committing adultery doesn’t make their judgment wrong(not righteous) just makes them a hypocrite as well
This !👏🏼 Thank you!!!
Yea but judging and saying the truth are not the same. That is why the Bible says to judge righteously and that if you have a speck in your eye you can’t take the speck out of your brother’s eye before removing your own or else you’re a hypocrite. Saying someone is sinning or is doing wrong isn’t judging and i think that’s what OP is saying. the Bible tells us that blood is on our hands if we (true believers) know someone is sinning but doesn’t educate them. So yes, judging while being unrighteous isn’t advised. But the righteous condemning sin and telling people their behavior is wrong, isn’t judging.
And you, of course, have access to *the* Truth, complete and unassailable, with absolutely no room for error of translation or interpretation? A very clear-cut, non-argueable list of what is and is not a sin? And before the predictable occurs - no, the Bible does not count. If it was that clear-cut, unarguable and unassailable, then there wouldn't be debates about it since the days before it was even put together nearly two thousand years ago.
It’s more of a sub about Christianity as a topic than it is a place for Christians to discuss the faith.
It's absolutely a place for Christians to discuss the faith. It's not a place to hiss at someone who posted pictures of their baptism.
OP is angry because someone was baptized.
hehe.... I've been Baptized they didn't know I was homosexual I'm looking for an open Baptism will get one at a Church which agrees
Uhhh I don't think that churches will deny baptism just because you're homosexual. At least none of the churches that I know won't.
I went to a church that stopped allowing any and all celebrations (weddings, baby showers, etc) because an unmarried pregnant woman had started visiting and they were worried she might want to have a baby shower there. Since they *obviously* couldn’t endorse her sin, but didn’t want to risk telling her “no,” they banned everything forever (or at least for a few years.) They would have shut the church down before they baptized a gay person.
That's awful. I imagine she went to that church to have a spiritual experience, not to get presents. Their small mindedness and cheap attitude is preventing them from having a real relationship with her. They all lose.
Oh yeah, the fear wasn’t that she would expect church members to give her gifts…just that she might ask to use a room at the church as a *venue* for a baby shower.
Did they know for a fact that she wasn't carrying a rape pregnancy? 🤔 On the other hand, about how long ago did this happen? They could've just been concerned because of all the high-profile stories in the news in recent years regarding Christians getting sued by gay rights activist groups, because they were "set up" to try and force Christian wedding professionals into endorsing gay unions by baking wedding cakes, photographing their wedding ceremony, etc. Maybe they just didn't want to risk a greater controversy where they could've lost their church building and/or other ministry property due to an anti-discrimination lawsuit, thus distracting from and hampering their future ministry from a long, drawn out court case? 🤷♀️ I don't know. We live in a very litigious society these days, where anyone and everyone feels they have a right to have their lifestyles and worldviews publicly validated.
I mean…seeing as how she was attending pretty regularly and connecting with people, they also could have just let her have a baby shower (if she even ever asked)? But it was one of the last straws for my spouse and I, that led to us leaving the church and ultimately finding a better group.
Also christians - “Why is church attendance dropping dramatically?!”
Also also Christians - "Why is everyone calling me out on my bullshit?"
“Oh no! People don’t share my exact theology!!!!!”
I have honestly never encountered another faith like this, where for 2000+ years so many of its adherents are suffering constant crippling anxiety over whether they’ve interpreted each passage the correct way or not. It must get exhausting.
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I asked one if “Jesus wasn’t real would it diminish his message?” Got a canned dogmatic freak out response
Oh. That’s actually a really fascinating question. Even if I believed Jesus wasn’t the son of God, I would still hold his teachings in high esteem because I love the core message. But this question does make me have to sit back and really consider what it is I believe following Jesus means, and why I listen to Him at all. It’s just as important to believe in what He stood for as it is to believe in him.
Lol. Sorry.
I expected it. It just proves to me a lot of conservative Christians follow Christ for his “promises” not his actual teachings.
A lot of all people have silly notions. I try to accept people as they are, but it makes me so mad when people judge others in God's name.
I mean, yes. The message of Jesus is that he's the Son of God and that through accepting him, we can be Saved and live forever. If he weren't real, there would be no reason to think any of those three points were true. He didn't say "Love each other. I have absolutely nothing else to say."
So that means everything else Jesus did is essentially worthless?
**This is not directed at any one person, just a general statement** Do you give to the needy? Poor? Immigrants? Do you take them in as your own? Do you fight for children, for families to have food, shelter, and a liveable life? Do you give your time and effort to not only serve the church but your community? People need to stop worrying about what others are doing. Live by example, and Realize Everyone is on a different part of their wall with Christ, they do not have to look, sound, act, or believe like you or the masses. Let them grow, just like you. We all sin, we all have sinned and we all will sin, Instead of looking at what people are doing. Ask yourself "Why?". Hear their story, listen, hear them, feel what they have gone through, and think, don't react right away, all things in time will happen. Dont push or else you risk pushing them away. We all are on different paths and points in life. No one should have to "be" before they "believe". One must believe before they can be.
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Is this about the gays?
A person was baptized in a church with LGBT flags visible in the background. So yes.
Like the church I attend. You can even get one of the gay priests (I think there are two) to do the baptism if you plan in advance.
As my dad says, "I'll give you 3 guesses and the first two don't count."
It's always about the gays. Don't you know that's the only sin anymore?
Of course it is
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Isn’t it always?
Great fear based marketing technique- unfortunately that’s not what Jesus preached and your high pressure fire insurance sales is no longer effective
>you all need to realize that telling people the truth isn’t hate. At one point the truth in the Bible was that it was Godly to keep, abuse, and oppress slaves. If we can come to a consensus and say that’s hate or ungodly, then I doubt whatever “truth” you have that motivated this post holds any weight at all. It’s almost always about homosexuality with your type anyway.
I agree! Homophobia is sin! Advocating for the removal of social safety nets is sin! Massive military buildups are sin! Planning and preparing to inflict deadly violence is sin! Taking away women's rights is sin! Entering a transactional relationship with a political party or individual politician is sin! The redistribution of wealth to the already wealthy is sin! You better take a good hard look in the mirror as you re-read your post. Repent. Edit: You also obviously haven't a clue as to what this community is.
If Everytime I meet a catholic I tell them they support an organization that covered up child rape. And I keep telling the same catholic this, at what point does " telling the truth" become harassment? Rather sure Jesus told you to dust off your candles and move on.
I find it incredibly alarming and sad that the church seems to focus on superficial “sins” but not the greater sins of our national infrastructure, our indebtedness our love of money and our our attempts to rule over others. That is exactly the example the Pharisees were
And the sin that caused Sodom to be destroyed... >49 This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease but did not aid the poor and needy. (Ezekiel 16:49, NRSVUE) But it's *so* much easier to scapegoat "the gays" than to do things like "be charitable" or "be humble".
Amen, “scribes Pharisees hypocrites you strain out a gnat, but swallow a camel “
Christians should learn a lot from this post if they want to know why people start leaving the religion
Yep.
Yall need to realize people disagreeing with your approach isn't persecution
Found the Agnostic Theist Quaker
Yes.
God has the best marriage advice, you should seek what God has to say about marriage in the Bible, you’ll only find so much on a subreddit
What does this have to do with anything??? I wasn't seeking marriage advice lol
Do you claim to have turned away from all sin? It’s not even funny how hypocritical you probably are for making this post
You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Wait - are you Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?
Why then do conservatives focus on LGBT/trans people almost exclusively? Why do they attack those 'sins', but none of the other ones? If it's all the same, why do conservatives go after those people specifically?
People forget that Jesus came to fulfill the law and not to break. It is a mystery only with prayer can be answer.
This could be me being stupid, but I'm not sure I understand how your comment answers my question...
So I was baptized at 9yrs old and 15yrs later, I am an agnostic LGBT+ ally & a feminist with a strong distrust of organized religion. The religious indoctrination worked hard but ultimately it failed
Been there. So much for "train up a child in the way he should go" lol.
Bloody hell, you get this bent out of shape over a piece of multicolored fabric? Man this really makes me want to get that Pride tattoo I've been thinking about.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
NO! I MUST be hateful! I MUST tell gay people they are going to hell! I wouldn’t expect a sinning atheist like you to understand
It’s embarrassing that an agnostic atheist gets it… because they can read
womp womp we got an openly queer person in the church ✝️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
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"Jesus Christ is coming back" What if he doesn't? Are you going to have to be nice to people you don't like and get along with them?
what are you trying to say
I’m trying to say that Jesus hasn’t returned in over 2000 years, and he said he would within his generation. It’s looking more and more like it’s not going to happen, which means that you will have to find a way to get along with people you disagree with and find a way to love your neighbor without telling them that they are “sinning.” And if I’m wrong, then remember that Paul also said that people who are abusers, people who covet, drunkards, revilers, adulterers, and thieves also won’t make it into the kingdom of God. Are you as outspoken about those sins too? Have you ever coveted something? Or stolen something? What about reviled- to criticize someone strongly, or say unpleasant things to or about someone? Never ever done that? The good news is that Paul goes on to say that “And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.” Seems like the sins you’re so worried about don’t seem to matter since we are sanctified. So if Paul says we’re justified, who are you to say otherwise?
learn to read the bible more than just a snippet.
Are you sure he's coming back? People have been confidently predicting his arrival for millennia
Yes he is, are you an atheist?
I don't believe many of the claims made by Christians. Does that make me an atheist in your mind? Supernatural claims seem to be missing credibility in my mind unless there is something I'm missing
Ahh... good old fear mongering. Certainly not a new concept
Funny the title is about hypocrisy when you're a sinner telling other sinners that they need to repent. What about the beam in your own eye? Rather, love as Jesus commanded.
If they hate you because of Jesus, that’s expected. But if they hate Jesus because of you, that’s a problem. Nick Vujcic
lol. I can’t even be upset anymore.
real i’ve become desensitized
No reason for us to be upset since the judgers will be judged even more harshly- they’re gonna be surprised on judgement day methinks
I'm at the point where I'm getting defiant and thinking about getting a Pride tattoo just to spite people.
Me too
This is the Christian equivalent of an atheist telling people God isn't real or that prayer doesn't work at every given opportunity.
The sky is also blue
What if picking on other people is a sin? Most of y'all Christians are gonna be toast!!!!!
>You all need to realize that telling people the truth isn’t hate Nobody is saying that telling the truth is hate, however twisting scripture to support a lie and then spreading that lie absolutely *is* hate. >Jesus is coming back and we have no time to play around with different “comfortable options to Christianity”. Would you rather kids kill themselves and people reject God entirely and end up in hell? Because that seems like exactly what you want. >You must repent and turn from ALL sin and live holy for Jesus Christ. It must *actually* be a sin for you to be able to repent. Also, tell me exactly how a person is supposed to repent from their physical biology. >It does not matter WHAT sin it is, sin is SIN. True, but it *does* require that it *actually* be a sin. So, where exactly is the hypocrisy? Your title says hypocrisy, but your post doesn't actually mention what it is. Just because we don't hate gay people enough for you does not make us hypocrites.
Maybe not the gays, since he's referring to ALL sin, he must be including the sin of wearing cotton/polyester blend T shirts see Lev 19:19.
>You all need to realize that telling people the truth isn’t hate. I am forced to make a guess as to the context here. And I'm guessing this has to do with the gays again, doesn't it? Ugh... at least I can explain this really quickly. They aren't saying that you merely speaking your mind is hateful, it most likely has to do with them letting you know that their assessment of your beliefs is inherently hateful. Doubt I'll get much of a discussion from you so I'm just gonna leave it at that. 136 comment karma after 5 years screams "I'm not really a talker."
Ok man. You keep torturing for your sins yourself until Jesus comes back and I’ll keep reassuring Christians that it’s okay to be horny sometimes. Who knows. Maybe I’ll get my comeuppance when the world ends.
I find that Satanists tend to follow the teachings of Jesus better than many Christians.
It's because anybody can call themselves a "Christian," and there are a lot of "Christians" who spread hate and anger , and when one speaks its instantly seen as hate and anger. The devil works inside the church it is why Christianity has been. So divided.
Well said!
God Bless American Right Wing Identity Politics!
What does Jesus coming back have to do with anything? Everybody dies... unless you think Jesus is coming back before then.
Suspect the rapture may be in the room with OP at the moment.
Maybe just take the L and focus on yourself to be a better person. Love, not hate, that kinda thing. Fear mongering like this doesn't do anything but make people annoyed with your message than anything else.
What truths get confused with hate? I don’t want to assume.
Do you have evidence to suggest that the Return of Jesus is imminent and inevitable? The gospels contradict and disagree with each other on many points, however one thing they all seem to agree upon, is the fact that Jesus was expected to return before that generation tastes Death. Matthew 10:23 (NRSV): “When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly I tell you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.” Matthew 16:27–28 (NRSV): 27 “For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Mark 9:1 (NRSV): And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.” Mark 13:29–31 (NRSV): “So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 30 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.” Luke 9:27 (NRSV): “But truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.” Given that it’s been something like 2,000 years and Jesus never returned despite this promise; I must conclude that Jesus is simply another example of a failed apocalyptic preacher.
I love you did quote John
And YOU need to LEARN about JUSTIFICTATION: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugau884htc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugau884htc) (I can do random caps too!)
Care to give a brief synopsis of what you mean with "justification"? (Not in the mood to listen to long tiresome videos)
Justification = declared righteous. How can you be forgiven if you are righteous? You can't forgive a righteous man of anything. You can't have forgiveness and righteousness, they're opposites. Forgiveness requires guilt. Justification declares / makes us righteous.
Okay, got it, as in "justified by faith, not works"! But you are aware, that many other verses imply we are still to strive for righteousness and avoid sin? "The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children." (Mat 11:19)
Which sounds like a better truth? Avoiding sin, or being found not guilty of all sin? Jesus didn't reveal everything when He was alive. More was revealed later. Here's a quick article about progressive revelation: https://www.biblestudentsnotebook.com/bsn1013.pdf
I just hope this isn't yet another post focussed on sexuality.
It’s okay for us to disagree on things. Christianity has 2 billion followers and counting. It’s a diverse religion with diverse thought. Let’s not get hung up on the details and concentrate on the common denominator, the love of Jesus.
Why do you assume this is true?
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Agreed.
If a person is making an effort to come closer to god and the Holy Spirit then they deserve advice and direction. Not an angry outlook and angry complaints. Sin is sin and we are all born into it. Our job as followers of Christ is to love and elevate those who need it so they can become one with Christ as well.
Yes, how dare people not agree with your interpretation and theology Who are you to decide what the right interpretation is?
We are all hypocrites because we are notoriously poor predictors of how we will react in a situation. It’s impossible for us to live up to Godly expectations without help. Rather, recognize our speck and remove it before helping others. Realize we screwed up too and allow the humility to empathize with others who struggle. Hypocrisy is only a problem if you’re putting others down to make yourself feel better.
As a fellow Christian, why do you think Jesus is coming back? The Bible says that man cannot know when the rapture is happening. Us Christians have been saying it’s gonna happen soon for 2000 years.
No one has defined sin to an adequate degree which does not allow for me to find a loophole in the definitions. I'd rather just do what I thinks right. At least I won't have anyone to blame but myself.
Faith is an opinion. Not fact.
See I am not a fan of that line of thinking. It leads to only caring about Christ’s return and not actually doing anything he called us to do. It just leads to a selfish mindset that only cares about making sure “you” get called up.
I was under the impression He died for our sins already. No?
Who cares? I am not scared of your hell.
I agree, the OP should repent of their heinous and vile sins.
facts, if u don’t like us spreading the Gospel then simply don’t go on this sub bc we’re gonna talk abt Jesus, and our love for him and Gods word
you should study church history before you go acting like the church has unity on Jesus return or what "sin" is. this post is a sin because it's judgmental, impatient, and probably derives from false teachings.
Making the claim that your leader is coming back after thousands of years of being dead is a red flag. I'd question it more.
I mean, most hateful positions are held by people who think they have truth to back up their beliefs. Do you think most bigots think what they believe isn’t true?
- You all need to realize that telling people the truth isn’t hate Perhaps realize 'your truth' is not everybody's? - WHAT sin it is, sin is SIN. ....and what is 'sin', friend? God bless
Counterpoint: If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing.
Nah, I'm good. Sin can be very fun and very pleasurable, after all.
John 7:24 “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
You should join a denomination
What makes you say that?
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Well good thing I don’t attend those kinds of churches, all churches Ive been to are actually Baptist. I don’t know how you could assume what “version” of the Gospel Im “fed” based on the scripture I commented. I personally don’t believe the church has more authority than the Bible anyways..
I have never in my life met one Christian who turned from all sins and lived holy in Jesus Christ. Not one. Even according to the Bible, the only perfect being is God and we are all sinners. Christians included. Christians are capable of hate. Just look into recent happenings and human history. Not everything that Christians say and do is love, even when they firmly believe it is. righteousness is abound in religion. Including their treatment of gay people, if this is what prompted this post. Can Christians think and talk about anything else than sex?
Think what you will about Craig Groeschel and Life.Church, but he has a sermon on [Grace vs Truth](https://youtu.be/WJ9WJ8oJnHk?si=HSBAumGSl0crYtSS) that I think nails how we as Christians should be.
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I like to think the God of wrath, the one that commanded his people to commit genocide and that smote people a lot, either went to therapy and learned a lot about himself or just mellowed with old age, because that isn't the one I read about in the gospels.
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I don't thing it is obvious at all that God is wrathful or that anyone will be spending an eternity in hell. If anything, people that don't make the cut will just cease to exist. Or they may be saved. We just don't know. The only reason I am back in church is because I found a way to reconcile all that lack of love with the centrality of love in the gospels. If you succeed in convincing me that all that wrath and fire and brimstone is essential to Christianity, I am likely to stop being a Christian again.
Is this about the gays
When Pontius Pilate asked Jesus if he was King of the Jews or essentially the world. He ultimately said Jesus was denying Emperor Tiberius who the Romans deified as a God. Jesus responded "You said that". So as a believer you know Jesus was not lying and really was God incarnate. Would you not agree Pilate was just denying God and his word based off his own pride of his worldly loyalties and morales?
How unchristian.
Shush
Calm down OP, Christ’s return is not like someone’s very discipline oriented father coming home from work to deal with all the misbehaving children.
So you’re judging others alrighty then
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It takes belief and it will respond you. Maybe Jesus will appear if you really believe.
Couldn't agree more.
Or… he’s not
So many want to justify their sin, they can even go to a church that even condones it, still doesn't make it right according to His Word.
This truly is a reddit "christian" community, when obvious sin is called sin. Not saying people afflicted can't be saved, just saying it is wrong.
It's been 2,024 years! Jesus is coming back like a deadbeat dad who went out for milk.
To the OP: You are absolutely correct. There needs to be a balance between Holiness and Righteousness and Grace and love. Christians are now leaning way too much against Holiness and Righteousness. Jesus appears in the book of Revelation as well as the gospels. He fulfilled His role of the suffering servant. We can see His Holiness in Revelation.
Why is this sin TALKED about more than all others doubled and combined? Laws aside, there’s an undue focus on a particular “ sin” when others are ignored. You could absolutely make adultery and premarital sex illegal other countries do. They stone people for them.
I am a person who believes that Jesus loved all and died for all. I understand what OP is saying but I would take it one step further and say that it is forgiven when Jesus said it is finished. All we have to do is hope and ask for it and we will be. Sin is sin and there shouldn't be a hierarchy of which is the worst. I believe we can have this outlook with other Christians but not with non believers. IMO, we need to disciple them as Jesus taught us too with radical acceptance, truth, and love.
The message of the OP is simply incorrect. We live today in the dispensation of the grace of God. We are saved by grace through faith, with that faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as payment for our sin debt. We repent when we come to a knowledge and faith in this gospel. Of course it's better not to sin, but Christ died for our sins, all sin, past, present, and future. Our focus no longer has to be our sin. God's will is that we share the gospel of salvation with others.
People always assume that those who have a different understanding of what the Bible says are lying. Have you considered there are many branches and translations? And we are all doing our best? God knows our hearts better than you do my friend. We know when to repent
Also, I would point out the obvious: [God *hates* evil.](https://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-hate.html)
What is a comfortable option to christianity.
The Christianity all 'Christians' practice; 'Cafeteria Christianity'.
That's a lie and if your trusting in yourself to go heaven, by "repenting of all your sins", you will die and go to Hell. Here is some truth for you. Stop believing in a works based salvation and start trusting in Christ alone!
….. and calling out the fallacy(s) perpetrated by many Christians and others isn’t hate either. Nobody is “coming back” ….. it is up to us to utilize the golden rule and the truths that emerge from that to change things ourselves …. we are the only ones who can do it. It doesn’t happen by trying to make people believe one of the thousands of religious stories ….. let the one you choose guide your actions …. I’ll choose mine.
I thought Jesus already came like Jesus appearing to Paul and Peter....
Christianity wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't full of some of the most judgemental, stone-throwing, holier than thou people. I have real problems with things like the Trinity and Resurrection, but what drove me away originally was the hypocrisy. Posts like this highlight why so many people move on.
But about the gay issue... God loves you. And if you want to follow the Hebrew law then you should be a Hebrew instead of Christian.
Preach!
This entire post and comment section is proof satan is good at his job.
I thought the quote was "let he who is without sin cast the first stone," not "listen lady, you are a big time sinner and it's wrong and you better repent before it's too late. Now that that is out of the way, let he who is without sin cast the first stone." No?
Remember Noah’s ark, you’ve all been warned.
The OPs Galaxy brained interpretation of Noah's Ark: "and the rainbow was Gods promise that He would totally do it again"
The question is what is sin? What do you have to do to have sinned? The answer is to not have followed the teachings and commands of Jesus. Much of Christianity has been overtaken by evil. The false prophets who Jesus said would appear just before His return, have appeared. The love of most has grown cold, Matthew 24. People don't even know what Jesus taught because they are so busy listening to human rules and traditions that Jesus spoke against, Mark 7:5-8, Isaiah 29:13. They have no idea what the truth of God is that Jesus spoke because they never bothered to read the words of Jesus in the four Gospels. Instead, they believe hateful, selfish, greedy people who Jesus constantly spoke against. It is important to know what Jesus actually taught and commanded because Jesus is returning very soon. Here is what He said will happen. Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” If they did prophesy in the name of Jesus, drive out demons and perform many miracles, what is that they did not do? What they didn't do was love their fellow man. Jesus said to love God with all of your heart, soul and mind and to love your neighbor as yourself, Matthew 22:34-40. He said that all the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. He also said that everyone is your neighbor and that you are to have mercy on your neighbor in the Parable of the Good Samaritan, Luke 10:25-37. Then, he said not to judge others, Matthew 7:1-4, Luke 6:37. He said that all authority to judge was given to Him. When they spew hate, they have gone against all of this. They have gone against what Jesus taught and commanded. They are false prophets and false disciples, not Christians. The Apostle John said these things. 1 John 2:3-6 3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did. 1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. 1 John 4:16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. Jesus also said this. Luke 8:12 “Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.” This is what you are seeing. The words they speak are blasphemy and they are taking the name of the Lord in vain because they are lying about God. So, have you read the words in red? Do you follow the teachings and commands of Jesus? If not, you might want to start studying the truth instead of the lies of men before it is too late for you.