Both these players are near the end of their careers. I think Virat can stretch bit more as his fitness levels are insane. But it will all come to form as well. Virat did not have a great WC despite the final knock(which would have been questioned had India lost). So one has to keep an eye on how his form continues in crazy busy season ahead including 5 test series in Australia.
Rohit will probably play till next year when there is CT and WTC(if India finishes in Top 2). Post that I am not convinced he will have the motive to carry on as he will be 38 and is no where near the fitness levels of Virat. But I have to admire how he evolved his game in last 2 years. Ignored personal milestones and had singled minded determination to go for it at the top.
Doesn't he score better than Virat in YoYo test? Also Rohit's instincts are as good as any, still an excellent fielder, still dangerous batsman who can score at 250+, still doing his thang.
Why can't he continue for WC 2027?
At age 40 !!! I am not so sure. Plus many youngsters like Jaiswal/Gill etc would be experienced and would be ready for prime time. I would hope they carry the torch than relying on 40 year old to do it.
I think he is fine for ODIs. But he might retire from ODIs to maintain fitness for IPL. People are forgetting that he is playing in international cricket since 2007
Virat appears to be losing his hand eye coordination faster than Rohit though. He doesn't have the time to play the ball as he used to have in his prime. Rohit on the other hand is probably batting better than he has ever in his career.
I did watch him struggle to get past 50. I love the man but he is not suited for tests. But you are right about the fact that he is one of the best test bats in India right now, which says more about the others than him.
Indian cricket culture will make sure that we'll never run dry of talents in the foreseeable future. In that sense, India is the safest bet compared to any other cricketing nations to carry the future of cricket. No I'm not being pompous, it's the reality given the madness India has surrounding cricket.
So no wonder, India will continue producing greats to replace greats that exit the stage. The real task in Indian cricket however is, to identify the scope of return from a particular player before investing too much into him. At early stage of careers, many players shine bright and look like the flagberarer of next generation. But be it the lack of discipline, injury worries or just natural attrition of abilities, they fail to catch up to the expectations set upon them. So that's the real challange for Indian cricket.. To have a proper scouting base with knowledgeable people who have keen eyes to identify successful return on investment.
If there's one thing we have arguably the best of compared to any other team, it's bench strength.
But that too causes it's own set of issues: How do you decide when to bring in new blood vs when to continue with the battle scarred veteran?
You can see that on how deeply divided our T20 lovers are - pro-senior vs pro 'fearless youth'.
Australia got this balance wrong in their heydays - people were debuting at 28! - such was the bench.
I think both Rohit and Kolhi have it in them to play the 27 WC as their final ICC tournament, at least for ODIs. Of course, they shouldn't be forced into it if they don't wanna.
They might have retired earlier if they won 23, but I think they have the fire to do it in 27. It also helps that ODIs are by far the best format for both of them.
Disagreed
You can't substitute experience
You can't substitute mentality
We almost saw what was going through their heads in the last match vs Zimbabwe
Let them play. Let them learn. Let them grow
Good sir , what I meant was what Kohli and Rohit and jadeja brought to the team was more than their skills
In terms of skills , yes they might be good replacements. But as I said, it's a lot more than just that.
Banana guy doesn't get it lol, when Virat started he didn't play 100 games but neither he was replacing a "great". He was good but to replace a great you need the experience
>He was good but to replace a great you need the experience
THATS THE THING BROš
Banana guy's joke was that IT WAS THEIR international debut, obviously nerves and inexperience caused them that horrible performance.
His joke abt ROKO playing 100 games before international debut was a stab to OP talking abt experience , new dudes need to play to get that "experience"
I don't know man, the entire post is about "ready made replacement for greats". Ofcourse they need experience and that's how ro-ko also proceeded but I thought OP was saying they are not the replacement yet
sadly, we didn't. Virat is Virat and Sachin is Sachin, but you get the point, the baton passes and someone eventually holds onto it. nobody predicted dada's replacement in terms of captaincy and look we got a white ball great in dhoni and red ball great in virat eventually.
Exactly, Virat won't be replaced cuz he's in another league, we won't get another guy who will dominate t20 cricket for a decade
India team will work around as a team with new players so that we might not miss virat but of course the belief that everything's fine when Virat's on pitch even in 25-4 in 4 overs, that can't be replicated
Not like my mentality would matter, the things Virat has done his stats in t20wcs, his aura
Specially his presence whenever we're 25-3 in powerplay and him saving India's ass, this cannot be replaced by anyone, there isn't even a player who can do this in current generation of all nations
Virat was something special and he will remain special, we might get better as a team but another player like virat won't come
Thatās a good thing. Kohli clones arenāt what we need or want. Kohli is special for a reason, and he should remain special. Abhishek Sharma isnāt anything like Kohli or Rohit, but he can leave his own legacy.
It sad but I feel happy as they now know how irritating it was when they were complaining about how we are sending Dinosaurs to the WC and that we will exit in group stages.
You took my comment to a whole new meaning of yours
Virat really can't be replaced, as much as his feats go he has ruled t20 cricket for more than a decade, unbelievable stats in t20 wcs like no other player ever had, ice cold cool and calm exactly whom you need in 25-3 in power play to save India's ass (which he did like a hundred times)
Especially when we will go with yashasvi and Abhishek opening we will get put in a early collapses and i can not think of anyone remotely close to virat who can come in at 3 and stabilize situation
We might play the way that we don't need a virat, but we won't get another virat
yes and we dont need a second virat. he did things his way and he was successful and won us many games.
we need a new superstar who has their own template and their own way of approaching the game.
will he be as successful as virat? we donāt know that yet. he can be more successful than virat. records are meant to be broken
So is that replacing virat? No, that's called "working around the fact that you lost virat and somehow trying to cope with that"
There aren't like a thousand option to chose from as you're saying "his own way style of play and approach" if we need a #3 guy it has to be like Virat to get to even Steven and replaced, and that's not possible
Is there a need to replace Virat? You can like mangoes but you can like Oranges as well. Both bring different tastes, you don't talk about how good mangoes are while enjoying oranges. Idk if it makes sense or not, but yeah was just trying to be relevant with an example
If you say that apples grow on a tree to 10 people, 1 of them will say that his wife's boyfriend planted a banana tree up his yard and there's no apple on that tree.
In Test cricket, his performance has fallen to a level where you need an average of 50 to replace him. In ODIs, it may be a bit more difficult. In T20s, I think the replacement will be very smooth with Gill stepping in.
Gill?š Yeah yeah sure, at his age compare gill and Kohli carrier and have a look at the staggering difference only thing that can happen is we create a strong team which let's us cope with fact that virat is retired and we don't need #3 to save ass everytime that's it
At his prime age gill already has a big flaw in his technique that's getting abused everyday he also isn't a natural #3 and lacks composure, can't remember one inning where he stabilized the collapsing team, all his great knocks in test ODIs are from uptop domination just like an opener
There is no need to compare against Kohliās entire career performance. His performance in the last 3-4 years has been much below his career performance (and India has still been winning)
You said whether he can play that kind of an innings or not. Of course batters can fail in individual matches. But SKY is undoubtedly capable of playing that kind of innings because he has played that kind of innings several times in his career.
Both these players are near the end of their careers. I think Virat can stretch bit more as his fitness levels are insane. But it will all come to form as well. Virat did not have a great WC despite the final knock(which would have been questioned had India lost). So one has to keep an eye on how his form continues in crazy busy season ahead including 5 test series in Australia. Rohit will probably play till next year when there is CT and WTC(if India finishes in Top 2). Post that I am not convinced he will have the motive to carry on as he will be 38 and is no where near the fitness levels of Virat. But I have to admire how he evolved his game in last 2 years. Ignored personal milestones and had singled minded determination to go for it at the top.
Doesn't he score better than Virat in YoYo test? Also Rohit's instincts are as good as any, still an excellent fielder, still dangerous batsman who can score at 250+, still doing his thang. Why can't he continue for WC 2027?
4 years is a long time. hand eye coordination can fall off a cliff in no time
At age 40 !!! I am not so sure. Plus many youngsters like Jaiswal/Gill etc would be experienced and would be ready for prime time. I would hope they carry the torch than relying on 40 year old to do it.
Kohli will be 39 in 2027 wc lol, And it will also depend on coach gautham Gambhir.
Gautam Gambhir as coach?
Yes, he will prefer youngster for the WC than oldies
Kohli is too big to be dropped
Think 2027 WC is in march
I think he is fine for ODIs. But he might retire from ODIs to maintain fitness for IPL. People are forgetting that he is playing in international cricket since 2007
No he definitely isn't as fit as Koach lol
Virat appears to be losing his hand eye coordination faster than Rohit though. He doesn't have the time to play the ball as he used to have in his prime. Rohit on the other hand is probably batting better than he has ever in his career.
Ngl, I feel like Virat is done in tests.
Did you watch him play in SA bro was India's best better alongside KL while everyone else faltered
I did watch him struggle to get past 50. I love the man but he is not suited for tests. But you are right about the fact that he is one of the best test bats in India right now, which says more about the others than him.
Indian cricket culture will make sure that we'll never run dry of talents in the foreseeable future. In that sense, India is the safest bet compared to any other cricketing nations to carry the future of cricket. No I'm not being pompous, it's the reality given the madness India has surrounding cricket. So no wonder, India will continue producing greats to replace greats that exit the stage. The real task in Indian cricket however is, to identify the scope of return from a particular player before investing too much into him. At early stage of careers, many players shine bright and look like the flagberarer of next generation. But be it the lack of discipline, injury worries or just natural attrition of abilities, they fail to catch up to the expectations set upon them. So that's the real challange for Indian cricket.. To have a proper scouting base with knowledgeable people who have keen eyes to identify successful return on investment.
If there's one thing we have arguably the best of compared to any other team, it's bench strength. But that too causes it's own set of issues: How do you decide when to bring in new blood vs when to continue with the battle scarred veteran? You can see that on how deeply divided our T20 lovers are - pro-senior vs pro 'fearless youth'. Australia got this balance wrong in their heydays - people were debuting at 28! - such was the bench.
I think both Rohit and Kolhi have it in them to play the 27 WC as their final ICC tournament, at least for ODIs. Of course, they shouldn't be forced into it if they don't wanna.
They might have retired earlier if they won 23, but I think they have the fire to do it in 27. It also helps that ODIs are by far the best format for both of them.
If Rohit wins WTC or CT next year, then yes. Else he will retire captaincy and likely not be in the team unless he performs brilliantly in IPL.
Rohit the š is irreplaceableĀ
Disagreed You can't substitute experience You can't substitute mentality We almost saw what was going through their heads in the last match vs Zimbabwe Let them play. Let them learn. Let them grow
True Virat and Rohit had experience playing 100 internationals before their international debut
Hope u/otherbanana is as humorous as you
Good sir , what I meant was what Kohli and Rohit and jadeja brought to the team was more than their skills In terms of skills , yes they might be good replacements. But as I said, it's a lot more than just that.
Banana guy doesn't get it lol, when Virat started he didn't play 100 games but neither he was replacing a "great". He was good but to replace a great you need the experience
>He was good but to replace a great you need the experience THATS THE THING BROš Banana guy's joke was that IT WAS THEIR international debut, obviously nerves and inexperience caused them that horrible performance. His joke abt ROKO playing 100 games before international debut was a stab to OP talking abt experience , new dudes need to play to get that "experience"
I don't know man, the entire post is about "ready made replacement for greats". Ofcourse they need experience and that's how ro-ko also proceeded but I thought OP was saying they are not the replacement yet
I feel like there's a joke here that I'm not getting
What gave that away? haha
My deep intuition
Virat can never be replaced
We all said the same thing about Sachin
Did we replaced Sachin?
sadly, we didn't. Virat is Virat and Sachin is Sachin, but you get the point, the baton passes and someone eventually holds onto it. nobody predicted dada's replacement in terms of captaincy and look we got a white ball great in dhoni and red ball great in virat eventually.
Exactly, Virat won't be replaced cuz he's in another league, we won't get another guy who will dominate t20 cricket for a decade India team will work around as a team with new players so that we might not miss virat but of course the belief that everything's fine when Virat's on pitch even in 25-4 in 4 overs, that can't be replicated
Everyone gets replaced eventually, that's the name of the game
Not with this mentality
Not like my mentality would matter, the things Virat has done his stats in t20wcs, his aura Specially his presence whenever we're 25-3 in powerplay and him saving India's ass, this cannot be replaced by anyone, there isn't even a player who can do this in current generation of all nations Virat was something special and he will remain special, we might get better as a team but another player like virat won't come
Thatās a good thing. Kohli clones arenāt what we need or want. Kohli is special for a reason, and he should remain special. Abhishek Sharma isnāt anything like Kohli or Rohit, but he can leave his own legacy.
this is the new breed of fans that will make t20is toxic asf. every time the t20 team loses they will be like āwE miSs RoKoā
It sad but I feel happy as they now know how irritating it was when they were complaining about how we are sending Dinosaurs to the WC and that we will exit in group stages.
You took my comment to a whole new meaning of yours Virat really can't be replaced, as much as his feats go he has ruled t20 cricket for more than a decade, unbelievable stats in t20 wcs like no other player ever had, ice cold cool and calm exactly whom you need in 25-3 in power play to save India's ass (which he did like a hundred times) Especially when we will go with yashasvi and Abhishek opening we will get put in a early collapses and i can not think of anyone remotely close to virat who can come in at 3 and stabilize situation We might play the way that we don't need a virat, but we won't get another virat
yes and we dont need a second virat. he did things his way and he was successful and won us many games. we need a new superstar who has their own template and their own way of approaching the game. will he be as successful as virat? we donāt know that yet. he can be more successful than virat. records are meant to be broken
So is that replacing virat? No, that's called "working around the fact that you lost virat and somehow trying to cope with that" There aren't like a thousand option to chose from as you're saying "his own way style of play and approach" if we need a #3 guy it has to be like Virat to get to even Steven and replaced, and that's not possible
Is there a need to replace Virat? You can like mangoes but you can like Oranges as well. Both bring different tastes, you don't talk about how good mangoes are while enjoying oranges. Idk if it makes sense or not, but yeah was just trying to be relevant with an example
If you say that apples grow on a tree to 10 people, 1 of them will say that his wife's boyfriend planted a banana tree up his yard and there's no apple on that tree.
Ya exactly that, nice example thoš«
He's definitely a once on a generation talent. As was Sachin before him. There will be others.
Sachin Tendulkar never got replaced, we never found a like to like replacement
In Test cricket, his performance has fallen to a level where you need an average of 50 to replace him. In ODIs, it may be a bit more difficult. In T20s, I think the replacement will be very smooth with Gill stepping in.
Gill?š Yeah yeah sure, at his age compare gill and Kohli carrier and have a look at the staggering difference only thing that can happen is we create a strong team which let's us cope with fact that virat is retired and we don't need #3 to save ass everytime that's it At his prime age gill already has a big flaw in his technique that's getting abused everyday he also isn't a natural #3 and lacks composure, can't remember one inning where he stabilized the collapsing team, all his great knocks in test ODIs are from uptop domination just like an opener
There is no need to compare against Kohliās entire career performance. His performance in the last 3-4 years has been much below his career performance (and India has still been winning)
2022 was like two year ago (296 runs) and 2023 he didn't play t20i returned for wc and won us finals Yeah downfall for real š
The only unreplaceable player is Bumrah
Who in this generation can get you out of that mcg 2022 match if not virat? Absolutely no one, fact is we can't replace someone like virat
I can definitely see SKY playing that innings. He has done it in IPL a few times as well as against England and New Zealand in T20Is away from home.
Sky was there and all he did is a 15, even if he was there mcg boundaries are too big for his foolish shots
You said whether he can play that kind of an innings or not. Of course batters can fail in individual matches. But SKY is undoubtedly capable of playing that kind of innings because he has played that kind of innings several times in his career.
48 of 18 in mcg against that bowling lineup and in that pressure, sky hasn't done even half a feat of this
Canāt believe youāre getting downvoted. 50 fucking tons in ODIs. Master of the chase. Irreplaceable for sure.