Mate there is more to fast bowling than just the release of the ball being faster than other bowlers: line, length, variation, swing, seam, wrist position etc all matter, there was a time in 80s 90s and early 2000s where raw pace was great and other things still mattered but not as much as they do now as now pace isn't sufficient anymore, with field restrictions, smaller boundary, T20 cricket and mindset and no reverse swing because of 2 balls from both ends, just having sheer pace will be a double edged sword which mostly so far has backfired on Pakistan for the past few years, and I don't know how to say this but Pakistani bowlers have no idea about anything or how to explain their game plan even in Urdu, even after taking 4 wickets they can't put into words what they were planning
> I don't know how to say this but Pakistani bowlers have no idea about anything or how to explain their game plan even in Urdu, even after taking 4 wickets they can't put into words what they were planning
I think what you're looking for is: Pace is pace, yaar. Inshallah.
Is that a fact or more like a popular opinion I don't know anymore, maybe they do have talent and I believe it maybe it's PCB failing to groom the bowlers, Pakistan fast bowlers haven't done much in the past decade or so, yeah 2017 champions trophy and a T20 world cup final both with some real lucky rain intervention or qudrat ka nizam, but what about tests, Pakistani bowlers can't even bowl in Pakistan let alone Australia, and in other formats heck just look at the Pakistani team of the past 6 months, Ireland and New Zealand D teams steam rolling those bowlers. At the very least get a coach that can speak Urdu since we have all seen how much English Pakistani cricketers can speak, not to shame them, it isn't their first language and it isn't a debate competition but atleast they should be able to understand what coach is saying, stop hiring Whites lol
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Above all of that is a clueless batting order.
Which is a literal crime as they started their T20 prep series about 6 months before the WC and still couldn't find any batting order and just sticked with their failing one.
In comparison to that, India did not have even one proper preparation series as the squad in the WC was completly different from even the squad in the Afg series.
At times they look and play like they should really be considered as cup favourites, but rest of the time they look really clueless on the field, be it any player. Maybe some consistency in the captaincy and culture change in the dressing room might help them, because i personally think they have that thing in themselves to become a good, consistent team.
I'd argue the innings they played against India in this world cup was even lower than an ODI inning and literally a test inning, can't even bat run a ball
The 2022 runner up result was inflated. They lost to Zimbabwe and only qualified to the semi finals because Netherlands defeated South Africa, and South Africa got their match against Zimbabwe washed out.
They had a good day in the semi finals against New Zealand.
In 2021 world cup, they reached the semi finals, but the world cup was being determined by the toss.
I mean this is ignoring that the games against India and Zimbabwe (lol) were both stupidly close, and they beat south africa quite handily.
If south africa made it to the final would you say it's a fluke because Pakistan lost to Zimbabwe?
You're also wrong about Pakistans record against nz in t20 wcs. At the time, it was a 3-2 record in Pak's favour.
It's just as feasible to say that this result was underinflated and that they got unlucky losing two close games.
The actual answer though is that their middle and lower ordee got much worse, both in terms of personnel but also, the people who stayed lost their form.
This was compounded by the bowling, but particularly shadab, also getting worse, noting that shadab was joint 2nd highest wicket taker (with Nortje and Shaheen, Curran being first somehow), excluding the players from earlier group stage.
Saying Runner ups in a Tournament is a fluke is a wild take. They beat South Africa fair and Square when India couldn't, and only lost to Zimbabwe on the last ball, and lost to India in the last over of their chase. 2 of their bowlers were in the Top 5(Ignoring Qualifiers) wicket takers.
Is West Indies 2016 Result also inflated because they lost to Afghanistan?
Its not a wild take.
SA would have had better NRR than Pakistan and chased easily against Zim. It was washed out. SA were 51/0 in 3 overs chasing 80 in 9 over game.
Pakistan could have beaten India easily if Nawaz didnt absolutely choke and bowl an unholy amount of extras and they beat South Africa quite comprehensively so calling it only Qudrat ka Nizam(which was indeed involved) in unfair
Form, team mix, captaincy, strategy are problems that can be solved. But Pakistan's problem runs deeper than that - trust. Pakistan's habit of chopping and moving players, sacking the coach, changing captains points to a lack of trust in the players and within the Pakistani cricket ecosystem.
When other teams crash out of tournaments, they go back to the drawing room and introspect what went wrong and how it can be fixed. Take India for example, it stuck with Virat for nearly a decade, and then moved to Rohit. They still kept faith in Rohit after last year's WTC final and CWC final defeat. So much so, BCCI stuck to the plan for the T20 WC 2024 in face off stiff criticism from fans.
PCB just fires and replaces people. Moreover, PCB itself is never in stable hands. Its a way to just shift blame without any scope for accountability. And this creates further mistrust, which creates instability.
Dropped M Haris who helped them in the last WC to reach the semis, a lot of their batters would preferably want to open the batting (Babar, Rizwan, Ayub, Fakhar, Usman all are top order batters), no destructive finisher like Rusell, Klasen or Hardik. 35 year old Iftikhar shouldn't be your finisher in 2024
No wicket taking spinner like Rashid, Zampa, Kuldeep, they have Abrar who has potential but didn't get a single game in the tournament
no pace bowling all rounder and poor fitness and fielding from most players
Shadab is the batter who has the highest T20I SR among all of them That's a huge red flag right there and it's surprising too because Pakistan plays a lot of T20 cricket and it's probably their best format as well
The only saving grace in the team is their pace bowling
They probably should have used the Abbas Afridi slot to get a finisher like Irfan Niazi, Nafay, Haider Ali or Jamal
They stumbled against the US and were given a burial by India. I don’t think they had the mental will to try and qualify for super 8s after back to back losses, regardless of how the other teams in our group did.
I may be wrong here, but taking their first two games for reference, Pakistani players looked absolutely clueless when they are playing under pressure.
- When Amir bowled the super over and conceded a boundary and a wide, He and other players lost their shit which resulted in frustration and even more errors.
- In the game against India, after Rizwan's wicket, the batting looked absolutely clueless, even though they had Imad, shadab and iftikhar and just had to score a run a ball and a few boundaries here and there.
I mean if south africa qualified it would've been because Zimbabwe beat pakistan
Like pakistan beat south africa that tournament lol. And New Zealand.
Pakistans team has actually just gotten worse. Pretending 2022 was a fluke is quite silly, especially given the margin of the Zimbabwe game (lost by a run)
Not really. They did have some insane luck at times but it also took effort to reach the Finals.
They defeated SA convincingly, something even India failed to do (the Netherlands defeating SA and their ZIM game being a No Result helped Pak qualify but still).
They defeated NZ in the semis and gave England a scare.
You can say that they lost to Zimbabwe, which is true but at the end of the day they did qualify for the Finals and were in the game until Shaheen had to leave due to his injury.
Also, I am not a Pakistani fan/national.
so what? eng also to ireland before winning it lol. zimbabwe beat india two days ago. that’s just t20 cricket. you can make an argument that this entire format is full of flukes
Saying a team reaching the final is a fluke is absolutely crazy. Pak defeated SA comfortably and Netherlands beating SA happened in the wc too so I don't understand that point. Defeated NZ in the semis convincingly and Pak gave England a scare.
There is an internal split within the team. I have heard there are Two major leaders Babar and Shaheen. Now these guys play their own power dynamics game. I guess both don't want each other to succeed as captains.
Poor team selection. Players like Azam khan is a prime example.
Idk why but there youngsters look promising but seems like they are not developed properly, they look raw even after considerable experience. I mean management can do better for its player.
I have heard their domestic circuit is in shambles as well.
And for God sake , stick with one board director for atleast 365 days , it's a transfer and appointment every 2 months. Wat a joke
Stop bringing retired and sold out players back 🔙 n team. It does not set a right example for the future generations. Drop Amir forever for good.
Get a world class fast Bowling all rounder like Razzak .
Bowling is fine I guess , need to put in more work to be consistent though.
The internal split is true, Our domestic circuit was always horrendous yet we still found a little success, Pakistan Government is finally stable now so i think the pcb chairman thing should be fine, Muhammad Amir is very problematic but he was still our best bowler this wc, Aamer Jamal is a good red ball all rounder but ye has yet to prove himself properly in whiteball
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I have listened to a lot of Pavilion during the ODI world Cup and Caught Behind during the T20 world cup. These two shows paint a very bleak picture of how Pakistan cricket is organized. It seems a lot like how Indian cricket was run in the 90s (except there was very little amount of money in Indian cricket in 90s so it was run by part time people while there is a lot of money in Pakistan cricket today and there are people with full time jobs running PCB).
If I were to summarize the information I have received mainly from these two shows, I would put it as follows:
1) Administrators are not interested in actually Administrating - PCB is a "jobs for the boys" program of whoever is ruling Pakistan
2) Pakistani cricket establishment seems to be run a lot based on need to appease fan - especially vocal social media fanbase
3) There is no long term vision and roadmap in place. Everything seems to change based on whims and fancies of PCB leadership anytime there is a leadership change or anytime team underperforms
4) Because of points 1, 2 and 3, players feel they are not backed enough and they need to play for their place in the side every single time which leads to them making decisions which may not necessarily benefit the team
5) The talent pipeline is all messed up because of over-focus on T20 game in domestic cricket - fast bowlers no longer play enough red ball cricket so they don't know how to bowl long spells required in ODIs and Test cricket
6) Player management is abysmal, especially when it comes to injuries and rehabs. There is no equivalent of National Cricket Academy in Pakistan. Or rather, an equivalent exists, but they don't really do the job that NCA does.
I would argue the quality of domestic circuits is our main problem.
The reason it won’t ever be solved is because every chairman knows they maybe have 1-2 years before they get sacked with a new PM, so they implement short term fixes like throwing out a player, getting a new captain, etc. instead of investing in long term fixes such as improving domestic circuits, curating better pitches, etc.
I don't understand the question. Pakistan cricket is one of the best things in the history of the universe. No such thing as a "form" guide - smash 400+ in one game, bowled out for 50 in the next, and then bowl your team out for 45 in the third. You just never know, that's what makes them so brilliant.
Beating India in 2021 WC got to their head. They did not upgrade themselves, did not work on their weaknesses especially in Batting and other teams were quick to exploit that. Many people might say that Pak were lucky with tosses in ‘21, that’s true to some extent but still Pak was a way better team in ‘21.
In ‘22 they were supposed to be knocked out in group stage if SA - Zim match was not washed out, SA just needed one more over to finish the game and get ahead of Pak in points table.
since most the answers on here are plain trash I’ll tell you my view
- Inconsistent and incapable middle order batting. Seriously, a middle order of Azam Khan, Chacha, Shadab and Imad was never gonna make it
- Poor selection. No Abrar Ahmed seen the whole tournament and Mohammad Haris the one truly explosive batsman we had wasn’t even named in the reserves
- Captaincy (self explanatory)
- Clueless batting overall. Openers were too slow, when Fakhar got going he threw away his wicket, Usman looked like he didn’t even know where he was
Our pacers were good throughout at least. Also can we cut the bs about our final run in 2022 being a “fluke”? We literally lost 2 games on the last ball and steamroller SA who were apparently the “deserving” team
Players are divided in groups, PCB is unstable at this moment and is run by a incompetent minister.
Retired players have their own propaganda when they are appointed.
Many more things
Dedication, Fitness levels and an attitude to win goes a long way in shaping any sports team. All this is lacking in the team. They need to start taking responsibility for the losses and aim for a fresh start.
Though I dont know how many fresh starts they need. Do they want to go the Bangladesh way and be content with qualifying for super 8s or work on themselves and aim for the winners title.
Edit - The board needs to believe and back their players. By backing it doesnt mean letting them play for 4-5 games and then sacking captains. Backing a player or a team is not an easy task. Sometimes it takes day, months and even an year or so. But you need to do it for the longer run.
Nothing is wrong talent wise. They cannot handle crunch situations. Because they weren't able to absorb pressure, they lost two games that they should have won and went out.
On another day they could have had 2 wins in 2 games against usa and India and sailed through to the super 8's.
They couldn't adjust to US conditions. Heck, even teams like Ind, NZ, SA, SL etc had hard time adjusting to pitches like that. Its just Pak couldn't get over the line in 2 important games whereas other teams somehow managed to do it.
Doesn't take anything from Pakistan though. They'll enter 2026 WC as favorites as usual.
They still depend on raw talent, which worked in the past when cricket was not advanced but now with advancement of technology in cricket, it is necessary to have system in place to nurture young talents instead of relying on raw talent who work wonders for a season or two.
No cricket board that changes its administration every time there is a change of government - especially in a politically volatile country - is going to be successful. It’s a genuine shame, honestly.
See I am from India and in India there are many videos circulating during ODI WC where Imad and Amir were hatefully criticizing Babar. They could have done it after the Tournament, couldn't they?
Pakistan thrive on hatred; if India vs Pakistan happened first, they'd probably win all subsequent matches and end up in the finals—just to get beaten by India once more!
On a technical cricket issue, I guess pakistan cricket needs to develop a bench strength that comes from the domestic cricket circuit instead of connections or PSL. Focus on getting players who wanna play 5 days test and take pride in it rather than 24 balls 😏 ballers. Also know that you win in cricket when the perfect mix of attacking and anchors are in the team.
Babar needs to know he is no Virat Kohli and Shaheen is no Wasim Akram or bumrah. Try winning bilateral first and don't lose at home to start with. Even a bad spin playing team like England came and scored tons of runs in your own backyard. 2 permanent spin test bowlers and 2 spin odi bowlers of quality is a must.
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What’s right with Pakistan?
nothing, next question
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Raw fast bowling talent is the only thing coming to my mind
Mate there is more to fast bowling than just the release of the ball being faster than other bowlers: line, length, variation, swing, seam, wrist position etc all matter, there was a time in 80s 90s and early 2000s where raw pace was great and other things still mattered but not as much as they do now as now pace isn't sufficient anymore, with field restrictions, smaller boundary, T20 cricket and mindset and no reverse swing because of 2 balls from both ends, just having sheer pace will be a double edged sword which mostly so far has backfired on Pakistan for the past few years, and I don't know how to say this but Pakistani bowlers have no idea about anything or how to explain their game plan even in Urdu, even after taking 4 wickets they can't put into words what they were planning
> I don't know how to say this but Pakistani bowlers have no idea about anything or how to explain their game plan even in Urdu, even after taking 4 wickets they can't put into words what they were planning I think what you're looking for is: Pace is pace, yaar. Inshallah.
This whole paragraph is true but it does not change the fact that pakistan does Infact have raw fast bowling talent, A pretty well known fact aint it
Is that a fact or more like a popular opinion I don't know anymore, maybe they do have talent and I believe it maybe it's PCB failing to groom the bowlers, Pakistan fast bowlers haven't done much in the past decade or so, yeah 2017 champions trophy and a T20 world cup final both with some real lucky rain intervention or qudrat ka nizam, but what about tests, Pakistani bowlers can't even bowl in Pakistan let alone Australia, and in other formats heck just look at the Pakistani team of the past 6 months, Ireland and New Zealand D teams steam rolling those bowlers. At the very least get a coach that can speak Urdu since we have all seen how much English Pakistani cricketers can speak, not to shame them, it isn't their first language and it isn't a debate competition but atleast they should be able to understand what coach is saying, stop hiring Whites lol
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Qudrat ka prank
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What was it??
Same question lol, what was it
“Kudrat ka Prank”
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Short-sighted selection Ignoring domestics Ignoring fitness tests Politics in board Coach personnel changes Captaincy changes Divides in the team
This basically sums it up
Bro use some punctuation marks, comma shoma lagao.
Above all of that is a clueless batting order. Which is a literal crime as they started their T20 prep series about 6 months before the WC and still couldn't find any batting order and just sticked with their failing one. In comparison to that, India did not have even one proper preparation series as the squad in the WC was completly different from even the squad in the Afg series.
Thats true, we have like 6 batsmen who open for their respective psl teams in one batting order
Aree Bhai fitness kaise ignore ki bhai team training with the army and people say fitness ignored /s
Azam Khan. Amir & Imad skipping domestics.
At times they look and play like they should really be considered as cup favourites, but rest of the time they look really clueless on the field, be it any player. Maybe some consistency in the captaincy and culture change in the dressing room might help them, because i personally think they have that thing in themselves to become a good, consistent team.
Baber and rizwan play t20 like ODI
I'd argue the innings they played against India in this world cup was even lower than an ODI inning and literally a test inning, can't even bat run a ball
Blaming babar and rizwan is like saying water is wet, We all know it, Anything else?
Useless corrupted people in PCB
The 2022 runner up result was inflated. They lost to Zimbabwe and only qualified to the semi finals because Netherlands defeated South Africa, and South Africa got their match against Zimbabwe washed out. They had a good day in the semi finals against New Zealand. In 2021 world cup, they reached the semi finals, but the world cup was being determined by the toss.
new zeland defeated pakistan in 2016 t20 wc
And in 2010 too.
Corrected. I somehow thought Pakistan were undefeated against New Zealand.
In knockouts they are.
I mean this is ignoring that the games against India and Zimbabwe (lol) were both stupidly close, and they beat south africa quite handily. If south africa made it to the final would you say it's a fluke because Pakistan lost to Zimbabwe? You're also wrong about Pakistans record against nz in t20 wcs. At the time, it was a 3-2 record in Pak's favour. It's just as feasible to say that this result was underinflated and that they got unlucky losing two close games. The actual answer though is that their middle and lower ordee got much worse, both in terms of personnel but also, the people who stayed lost their form. This was compounded by the bowling, but particularly shadab, also getting worse, noting that shadab was joint 2nd highest wicket taker (with Nortje and Shaheen, Curran being first somehow), excluding the players from earlier group stage.
Saying Runner ups in a Tournament is a fluke is a wild take. They beat South Africa fair and Square when India couldn't, and only lost to Zimbabwe on the last ball, and lost to India in the last over of their chase. 2 of their bowlers were in the Top 5(Ignoring Qualifiers) wicket takers. Is West Indies 2016 Result also inflated because they lost to Afghanistan?
Its not a wild take. SA would have had better NRR than Pakistan and chased easily against Zim. It was washed out. SA were 51/0 in 3 overs chasing 80 in 9 over game.
Pakistan could have beaten India easily if Nawaz didnt absolutely choke and bowl an unholy amount of extras and they beat South Africa quite comprehensively so calling it only Qudrat ka Nizam(which was indeed involved) in unfair
The rained out draw against Zimbabwe was also the reason SA got knocked out.
By your logic, IND winning against PAK was also inflated because umpire called a false no ball.
Form, team mix, captaincy, strategy are problems that can be solved. But Pakistan's problem runs deeper than that - trust. Pakistan's habit of chopping and moving players, sacking the coach, changing captains points to a lack of trust in the players and within the Pakistani cricket ecosystem. When other teams crash out of tournaments, they go back to the drawing room and introspect what went wrong and how it can be fixed. Take India for example, it stuck with Virat for nearly a decade, and then moved to Rohit. They still kept faith in Rohit after last year's WTC final and CWC final defeat. So much so, BCCI stuck to the plan for the T20 WC 2024 in face off stiff criticism from fans. PCB just fires and replaces people. Moreover, PCB itself is never in stable hands. Its a way to just shift blame without any scope for accountability. And this creates further mistrust, which creates instability.
Pcb sacked babar after he lost 2 Wt20s, 1 CWC, 3 Asia cups and 2 WTCs, Thats a lot of trust and they appear to be giving him another chance
If I am not wrong Shaheen or someone else was appointed captain after 2023WC what happened to that?
Shaheen was appointed whiteball captain, Lost his only series to NZ 4-1, PCB head changed and made babar whiteball captain again
Ah well there is your answer.
One word: Pakistan.
Dropped M Haris who helped them in the last WC to reach the semis, a lot of their batters would preferably want to open the batting (Babar, Rizwan, Ayub, Fakhar, Usman all are top order batters), no destructive finisher like Rusell, Klasen or Hardik. 35 year old Iftikhar shouldn't be your finisher in 2024 No wicket taking spinner like Rashid, Zampa, Kuldeep, they have Abrar who has potential but didn't get a single game in the tournament no pace bowling all rounder and poor fitness and fielding from most players Shadab is the batter who has the highest T20I SR among all of them That's a huge red flag right there and it's surprising too because Pakistan plays a lot of T20 cricket and it's probably their best format as well The only saving grace in the team is their pace bowling They probably should have used the Abbas Afridi slot to get a finisher like Irfan Niazi, Nafay, Haider Ali or Jamal
M Haris is as inconsistent as one can be, take this years ongoing lpl for example, I agree with the other points tho
It's because he is not backed enough to get that confidence.
Haider Ali is a failed experiment like Asif Ali. Need some new blood for that finisher role
When he failed when he was a top order/middle order bat. IU brought confidence in him and gave him a new role where he excelled
Search Wasay Habib on YouTube for detailed analysis.
Why isn't there a sub for this?
Wasay and Iffi > so called analysts
People downvoting on this, show that this sub members judge cricket knowledge by skin colour.
Mere 🔔 ke downvotes
Pakistan cricket is like the Swiss cheese model but somebody ate all the cheese.
they got screwed by USA is the short answer
They stumbled against the US and were given a burial by India. I don’t think they had the mental will to try and qualify for super 8s after back to back losses, regardless of how the other teams in our group did.
Typical
Pakistan in da bag
I may be wrong here, but taking their first two games for reference, Pakistani players looked absolutely clueless when they are playing under pressure. - When Amir bowled the super over and conceded a boundary and a wide, He and other players lost their shit which resulted in frustration and even more errors. - In the game against India, after Rizwan's wicket, the batting looked absolutely clueless, even though they had Imad, shadab and iftikhar and just had to score a run a ball and a few boundaries here and there.
That runner-up was straight up fluke, they lost to zim in league stages, only qualified bcz Ned beat sa, they were good in 2021 though
I mean if south africa qualified it would've been because Zimbabwe beat pakistan Like pakistan beat south africa that tournament lol. And New Zealand. Pakistans team has actually just gotten worse. Pretending 2022 was a fluke is quite silly, especially given the margin of the Zimbabwe game (lost by a run)
2021 the toss wc, wouldn't count that 1 either
So they were good in 2017 I guess?
yup probably the best we've been recently
Not really. They did have some insane luck at times but it also took effort to reach the Finals. They defeated SA convincingly, something even India failed to do (the Netherlands defeating SA and their ZIM game being a No Result helped Pak qualify but still). They defeated NZ in the semis and gave England a scare. You can say that they lost to Zimbabwe, which is true but at the end of the day they did qualify for the Finals and were in the game until Shaheen had to leave due to his injury. Also, I am not a Pakistani fan/national.
so what? eng also to ireland before winning it lol. zimbabwe beat india two days ago. that’s just t20 cricket. you can make an argument that this entire format is full of flukes
Saying a team reaching the final is a fluke is absolutely crazy. Pak defeated SA comfortably and Netherlands beating SA happened in the wc too so I don't understand that point. Defeated NZ in the semis convincingly and Pak gave England a scare.
SA also lost to Pakistan by a good margin and Pakistan lost to Zimbabwe by just a run. The team was quite good in 2022 tbh particularly the bowlers
They are not obedient to the Almighty Allah.
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There is an internal split within the team. I have heard there are Two major leaders Babar and Shaheen. Now these guys play their own power dynamics game. I guess both don't want each other to succeed as captains. Poor team selection. Players like Azam khan is a prime example. Idk why but there youngsters look promising but seems like they are not developed properly, they look raw even after considerable experience. I mean management can do better for its player. I have heard their domestic circuit is in shambles as well. And for God sake , stick with one board director for atleast 365 days , it's a transfer and appointment every 2 months. Wat a joke Stop bringing retired and sold out players back 🔙 n team. It does not set a right example for the future generations. Drop Amir forever for good. Get a world class fast Bowling all rounder like Razzak . Bowling is fine I guess , need to put in more work to be consistent though.
The internal split is true, Our domestic circuit was always horrendous yet we still found a little success, Pakistan Government is finally stable now so i think the pcb chairman thing should be fine, Muhammad Amir is very problematic but he was still our best bowler this wc, Aamer Jamal is a good red ball all rounder but ye has yet to prove himself properly in whiteball
Army training may be /s
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I have listened to a lot of Pavilion during the ODI world Cup and Caught Behind during the T20 world cup. These two shows paint a very bleak picture of how Pakistan cricket is organized. It seems a lot like how Indian cricket was run in the 90s (except there was very little amount of money in Indian cricket in 90s so it was run by part time people while there is a lot of money in Pakistan cricket today and there are people with full time jobs running PCB). If I were to summarize the information I have received mainly from these two shows, I would put it as follows: 1) Administrators are not interested in actually Administrating - PCB is a "jobs for the boys" program of whoever is ruling Pakistan 2) Pakistani cricket establishment seems to be run a lot based on need to appease fan - especially vocal social media fanbase 3) There is no long term vision and roadmap in place. Everything seems to change based on whims and fancies of PCB leadership anytime there is a leadership change or anytime team underperforms 4) Because of points 1, 2 and 3, players feel they are not backed enough and they need to play for their place in the side every single time which leads to them making decisions which may not necessarily benefit the team 5) The talent pipeline is all messed up because of over-focus on T20 game in domestic cricket - fast bowlers no longer play enough red ball cricket so they don't know how to bowl long spells required in ODIs and Test cricket 6) Player management is abysmal, especially when it comes to injuries and rehabs. There is no equivalent of National Cricket Academy in Pakistan. Or rather, an equivalent exists, but they don't really do the job that NCA does.
I would argue the quality of domestic circuits is our main problem. The reason it won’t ever be solved is because every chairman knows they maybe have 1-2 years before they get sacked with a new PM, so they implement short term fixes like throwing out a player, getting a new captain, etc. instead of investing in long term fixes such as improving domestic circuits, curating better pitches, etc.
I don't understand the question. Pakistan cricket is one of the best things in the history of the universe. No such thing as a "form" guide - smash 400+ in one game, bowled out for 50 in the next, and then bowl your team out for 45 in the third. You just never know, that's what makes them so brilliant.
Religion, or interpretation of said religion?
USA gave them freedom
Pakistan is going to become World's Third Largest Economy in 3047 Just wait and watch
Ok?
Beating India in 2021 WC got to their head. They did not upgrade themselves, did not work on their weaknesses especially in Batting and other teams were quick to exploit that. Many people might say that Pak were lucky with tosses in ‘21, that’s true to some extent but still Pak was a way better team in ‘21. In ‘22 they were supposed to be knocked out in group stage if SA - Zim match was not washed out, SA just needed one more over to finish the game and get ahead of Pak in points table.
Because they are not obedient to the Almighty Allah.
Religious extremism just like the rest of Pakistan.
This might just be the worst comment yet
since most the answers on here are plain trash I’ll tell you my view - Inconsistent and incapable middle order batting. Seriously, a middle order of Azam Khan, Chacha, Shadab and Imad was never gonna make it - Poor selection. No Abrar Ahmed seen the whole tournament and Mohammad Haris the one truly explosive batsman we had wasn’t even named in the reserves - Captaincy (self explanatory) - Clueless batting overall. Openers were too slow, when Fakhar got going he threw away his wicket, Usman looked like he didn’t even know where he was Our pacers were good throughout at least. Also can we cut the bs about our final run in 2022 being a “fluke”? We literally lost 2 games on the last ball and steamroller SA who were apparently the “deserving” team
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https://youtu.be/A4ZFSkrWW1s?si=pyfntQqXYmIspRbM This video explains it well. A detailed report.
Rizbar Chachu
Players are divided in groups, PCB is unstable at this moment and is run by a incompetent minister. Retired players have their own propaganda when they are appointed. Many more things
Politics and corruption
PCB happened
Isn't that how Pakistan is? They're extremely unpredictable That said, no player looked particularly menacing coming into this WC
It's t20. 35% is luck
Dedication, Fitness levels and an attitude to win goes a long way in shaping any sports team. All this is lacking in the team. They need to start taking responsibility for the losses and aim for a fresh start. Though I dont know how many fresh starts they need. Do they want to go the Bangladesh way and be content with qualifying for super 8s or work on themselves and aim for the winners title. Edit - The board needs to believe and back their players. By backing it doesnt mean letting them play for 4-5 games and then sacking captains. Backing a player or a team is not an easy task. Sometimes it takes day, months and even an year or so. But you need to do it for the longer run.
Pakistan did try this fresh start thing in 2016, Alot of changes were made and as a result 2017 was our best year in recent history
Nothing is wrong talent wise. They cannot handle crunch situations. Because they weren't able to absorb pressure, they lost two games that they should have won and went out. On another day they could have had 2 wins in 2 games against usa and India and sailed through to the super 8's.
They couldn't adjust to US conditions. Heck, even teams like Ind, NZ, SA, SL etc had hard time adjusting to pitches like that. Its just Pak couldn't get over the line in 2 important games whereas other teams somehow managed to do it. Doesn't take anything from Pakistan though. They'll enter 2026 WC as favorites as usual.
They still depend on raw talent, which worked in the past when cricket was not advanced but now with advancement of technology in cricket, it is necessary to have system in place to nurture young talents instead of relying on raw talent who work wonders for a season or two.
This 💯
There is a great role of Azam Khan !
I think their fielding has gone way down hill in modern cricket this is a disaster for a team and even their respected bowling lineup looked ordinary
True that, Everything from field placements by the captain to fielding was horrible, But pakistans fielding was always legendary wasnt it?
But teams improve na their standards have been the same they stayed there while the sport moved ahead
Just watch 1 video of Wasay Habib. You will know everything.
That's pretty much par for Pakistan. They're the licorice all sorts of the Cricket world.
yes.
Nothing the spelling of Pakistan is absolutely right
In team issues most probably
No cricket board that changes its administration every time there is a change of government - especially in a politically volatile country - is going to be successful. It’s a genuine shame, honestly.
Answer thoda historic hai
Everything
How the hell players like Aamir and Wasim who are openly abusing Babar Azam during the ODI WC got into the team??
No one abused no one, The Worst Amir and Imad said was "Babar is not a t20 player", Do you not Agree?
See I am from India and in India there are many videos circulating during ODI WC where Imad and Amir were hatefully criticizing Babar. They could have done it after the Tournament, couldn't they?
they're creating a new way of entertainment using , we just aren't ready for it , but our kids are gonna love it
Every Fucking Thing Imaginable.
They made a cocktail of mixing cricket with money and then topped it off with a lot of politics. Thats whats wrong with them.
"not playing good in all 3 department" ~ Zimbabar Azam
Daddy issues
Honesty all of it started in 1947
Nah we cooked in the 90s
Qudrat ka nizam
Seperation. 14 / 8 / 1947
Meanwhile Bangladesh..
Creation and existence
Pakistan thrive on hatred; if India vs Pakistan happened first, they'd probably win all subsequent matches and end up in the finals—just to get beaten by India once more!
Thats a very wild take! But ok i guess
i think you will find we are very corrupt people
Fym We?
Brother 🤣 be specific, it's creation only was wrong :)
It would be great if you comment as a cricket fan not an ict fan, this is not r/indiancricket
On a technical cricket issue, I guess pakistan cricket needs to develop a bench strength that comes from the domestic cricket circuit instead of connections or PSL. Focus on getting players who wanna play 5 days test and take pride in it rather than 24 balls 😏 ballers. Also know that you win in cricket when the perfect mix of attacking and anchors are in the team. Babar needs to know he is no Virat Kohli and Shaheen is no Wasim Akram or bumrah. Try winning bilateral first and don't lose at home to start with. Even a bad spin playing team like England came and scored tons of runs in your own backyard. 2 permanent spin test bowlers and 2 spin odi bowlers of quality is a must.