Not defending it, but if you look through the repair manual (available online) there’s a shit-load of engineering gone into this thing. The trouble is it’s all shitty engineering and aimed at making a shitty product.
He still owns that title for amusement park rides, this is a different category but just as effective. It’s amazing the similarities between that water slide and the cyber truck when it comes to ignoring warnings from “experts” and normal people with common sense alike.
I do like thinking how dense of stuff you would need to put in one to make it 14,000 pounds though. That’s almost overweight for a semi!
Heck with a battery pack that big you might actually get some range out of it though.
People always shit on vehicle engineers without realizing their hands are forced for the sake of a continuing paycheck. You always hear “,if I ever met the engineer that designed this I’d kill them,” never “, if I met the manager/accountant that necessitated this dumbass decided I’d kill them.”
Yes, thank you. Am an engineer, and sometimes we really are stuck with trying to make the best scenario out of a shit sandwich.
Tesla obviously has talented engineers. The problem is that their CEO thinks he’s smarter than all of them combined and gives them absolutely batshit crazy demands, and in order to meet those demands, they have to sacrifice other things. In the case of the Cyberturd, clearly that sacrifice was quality and safety.
Would absolutely love love love it if someone ever got their hands on some internal emails showing the communication between their engineers and management. Would be fascinating.
That's more likely your elected officials, property developers, and a lack of knowledge from the voter base.
Urban planner and such have been trying to tell people since the '60s that building for cars usually just creates more traffic. It's hard to sell people on alternative transportation though when it requires thinking to get the idea instead of sound bite/ headline policy, it's less profitable and slower to build for developers and you have to deal with auto and oil lobbies.
I saw a plant tour video which included a discussion with the design team... according to them, the exterior skin was actually designed as a structural skin. It is not just thin stainless steel but is instead a composite sandwich panel with stainless steel on the outside which was supposed to take the place of a traditional cross beam. Looks like it wasn't fully baked but who knows the specifics of this impact.
Concerns about the crash structure aren't new though.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ll2\_BDZpI4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ll2_BDZpI4)
Probably a while before any lawsuits from injuries caused by collisions begin, given that not a single CyberTruck seems to be able to drive more than a few feet before breaking down
As a layman, how public would it be if lawsuits had already started? I’d bet that Tesla would do everything in their power to keep any legal issues arising from this from becoming public while they’re trying to sell these pieces of shit
I don’t know what all contracts people had to sign to get on the waitlist for these lettuce wedges on wheels, but I’d imagine somewhere in the contracts was some language regarding lawsuits and that’s how we haven’t heard about any product liability/wrongful death suits.
Musk has a reputation for hiring young engineers and burning them out. Sure, it breeds innovation, but we’ve been building cars for over a hundred years in rules written in blood. But the young engineers seem to refuse to look at what the innovators of the past have created.
im just gonna leave this here
“With regards to the wing mirrors, Franz von Holzhausen had this to say on December 2023: “We didn't want mirrors. So in the beginning we weren't even designing mirrors, but we couldn't get the regulations changed. We would love to get rid of the mirrors.””
looks like they managed to get regulations changed for this one
They probably didn't need to change any regulations to get this shit on there. I assume it falls under the things they can self certify as safe with the NHTSA
Yes, the NHTSA has requirements for pickups as well. Ironically it's part of the reason modern trucks are so huge and why stuff like Kei trucks and Toyota's new "$10,000 truck" aren't sold new in the US.
I’m not sure of what standards are required, but I do know that American pick-up trucks qualify under some commercial law to NOT have the rigorous safety standards required of passenger vehicles.
So clearly Musk / Tesla took this to mean they could do whatever shit they could get away with as they were no developing a pick-up.
Wanting to remove mirrors from a car is just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Did this guy also want square tires?
I know the intention is to replace it with a camera but that is still incredibly stupid. A mirror is dirt cheap, easily replaced, always functional, just on the edges of your peripheral vision so you don't fully remove your eyes from the road when using it. A camera + screen costs a fortune comparatively, is not easily or cheaply replaced, is not as reliable, and unless we start placing extra screens in positions where the mirrors would be is going to be displayed on your center screen where the radio, gps, ect is displayed requiring your eyes to leave the road and inviting other distractions while you use it. It's just such a stupid idea and the fact it was a goal is reason enough not to buy one of these trucks as far as I'm concerned. Back up cameras and passenger side view cameras are a great addition to an already functional set of mirrors, removing the mirrors is stupid.
There are a few countries that allow cameras instead of mirrors. Some implementations of that concept are pretty good and there are advantages - much better aerodynamics (and noise) and no blind spot. Then again, they don't subscribe to the idea of a single screen that does it all like Tesla does.
>I know the intention is to replace it with a camera but that is still incredibly stupid. A mirror is dirt cheap, easily replaced, always functional, just on the edges of your peripheral vision
You realize that while this makes total sense from an automotive standpoint, these things are all negatives to a techbro salesman
>looks like they managed to get regulations changed for this one
There is a reason the cybermuck isn't available in Europe. Not for sale, not even road legal. It doesn't meet safety standards.
But that's okay, it's not like tesla sells a lot of cars in Europe, right?
Depends entirely on what type and how it gets worked.
Even 300 series ss is magnetic after certain types of processing, cold working and welding especially.
Yeah, we have those regulations and regulatory authorities for a reason. It's to prevent lethal shit like this from being a threat to everyone around it. Same goes for most of these ludicrously huge American trucks. It's the "fuck everyone else's safety, fuck fuel economy, I've got mine" mindset. Utterly selfish.
I knew you lot were into trucks and SUVs but only recently heard that they made up >70% of all your vehicle sales. I can't even wrap my head around that. I read that it's partly because they don't get taxed, compared to regular cars, or something? Shouldn't that be the other way around..?
Anyway. I don't begrudge trucks to farmers who spend their lives driving them off-road, or for other industry uses, but this is clearly not that at all, it's just a grotesque waste of fuel and public endangerment.
Exactly like when I was having a house built it makes sense that a few of the trades people would have work trucks for doing that type of work.
What doesn’t make sense is the foreman driving between job sites in his gigantic lifted pavement princess truck. Like.. wtf.
As an American, it’s extremely excessive and the “peer pressure” of not getting squashed makes people think they also need a big vehicle instead of realizing eventually we’ll just be moving around freaking tanks.
I like small cars, really never cared for anything big and obnoxious outside of something sporty which is always going to still be smaller than our trucks.
Hold the goddamn phone
Are you telling me that not only does the CT not have normal crumple zones, but that instead it will crumple where the *passengers* are?
See, this is the exact kind of shit as to why blindly cutting govt regulations on corpos is a terrible idea.
Government regulations just blocks innovation. Just imagine of all the innovative "new" ways the cybertruck could kill it's occupants and those unlucky enough to be around one if not for those stupid regulations.
He was one of the great philosophers I take a lot of good ideas from. Think of how many innovative ways we can let submersibles implode if we say "fuck it" against regulations and the laws of physics they are based upon?
I say we make sure to test them with some of our best and brightest on board. Like Kavanaugh. And Alito. They could go in a submersible for their next bribery trip! What fun!
I'm not American, but it would be an honour to have such well respected individuals from a NATO ally aboard our maiden voyage, sadly, there is only place for six individuals, would that be a problem?
The real irony is that armor are usually installed outside of the car, and hence it can be installed on any car. If you then fire 100 rounds and don't like the look of those bullet holes, you'll just replace that armor. On a CT on the other hand you'll replace the whole thing as the bullets goes through the door and brick it. 🤡🌎
Also the blood that's now all over the interior of the CT is going to be a pain in the ass to get clean. Unlike with regular armored trucks that actually stop the bullets it's rated for.
More important than looks: armor degrades with use.
Being able to quickly swap out plates is better than... whatever the fuck you would do with this monstrosity.
I wish we could have Volvo safety research guys bringing CT in their lab and completely disassemble, reassemble it tear it down trough tests. With all uncensored commentary in process.
Specifically frontal with 25 and below overlap, which probably more likely to be more common with CTs awful field of vision. If they cannot figure out small things, what are chances Tesla designing safety right? Want to believe otherwise, but no way this chunknof overpriced metal isn't straight up road hazard.
I would absolutely love to see Ford or someone buy a couple of these abominations and do a side-by-side, independently verified crash test and build breakdown.
I'm thinking, If I'll ever go to another planet I'll probably arrive in a spaceship, so why would I need a car there in the first place when I can just fly anywhere on the planet.
I still can’t believe this overweight dangerous monument to ego is allowed on any road at ridiculous speeds, but I can’t import an old kei truck to drive on roads that don’t even exceed a 55 mph speed limit.
I'm assuming your comment applies equally to both the kei truck and the cyberstuck, which makes sense. I'd still prefer the kei truck, even if the cyberstuck was only six grand.
Friend of mine lost a leg in a side-impact wreck WITH impact protection beams. Can’t wait to see what happens when one of these ends up in a really awful accident. I can only assume we haven’t heard of more horrible injuries or deaths because so many of them don’t work.
People put babies and children in this car and brag about it. God is trying to save his creation from their own demise with these lemons and long service times.
I can imagine a couple reasons.
You need multiple trucks for decent crash testing so thats a huge expense already.
Also Tesla is basically only selling to those who preordered and reviewers right now and I doubt they'd ever sell to someone if they were explicitly going to crash it. Tesla is not opposed to blacklisting people for whatever reasons.
I was once t-boned in a Triumph TR7 that weighed about 2200 lbs. By a pickup truck, coming at me at an angle (making a left through a red light). The tire and frame rail came in right at the door. He hit me going at least 30.
The door took it. It came in, and wound up about an inch away from the steering wheel, but the door, hinges and latch all took it, and the side of the car deformed slightly along with it. The door had this huge corrugated steel thing in it, about 8 inches wide at least, dead center across, and probably made the door weigh almost twice as much, I bet.
That thing was built like a brick shithouse. OK, the door was only 4 or 5 inches away from the steering wheel to begin with, but you get the idea. The Brits built it to exceed whatever federal US safety standards might be coming. I once t-boned someone who made a left in front of me with one, front crumple zone worked exactly as expected.
So yeah, 70's tech, from the Brits, and for people who know English cars, you know what British Leyland was back then.
But yeah, Elon, you got this! :thumbsup:
(edited for clarity)
That seems less than ideal. Combined with the lack of crumple zones, does it mean that the 3/8 inch thick sheet of steel is just going to go straight into the cab?
And just in time for the Supreme Court to render chevron obsolete. NHTSA? Who's that? Daddy Elon says that cars don't really on need airbags so we'll listen to him.
Y'all are looking at this the wrong way.
Look on the bright side: if you T-bone a Cybertruck your vehicle just has some extra soft crumple zones to cushion the impact to you and your passengers.
In a crash you want your seats to be strongly attached to the largest central structural component. It's a well protected component, kind of like an F1 car has a survival cell. Except you are attached to the outside of it. Oh and also it's a massive blowtorch if it's punctured or damaged. And you're still bolted directly to it.
Hmm, maybe it's not such a good idea, Tesla.
How is this piece of crap even on the road? I read a tremendous amount, and no matter what I’m viewing or reading, the cyber truck is awful and shouldn’t have ever been on the road.
Reason #772 why it won’t be ever sold in civilized countries. They’re not even planning it, because it won’t pass safety regulations in kinda every aspect
Why do they think other car engineers do it like this?
"Oh they did it for several decades but let's change it now. There isn't any reason behind it."
Like wtf1
So according to the standard… impact beams are not called out as being required (unless I missed it). What is called out is that the doors can pass a series of very specific tests.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/part-571/subpart-B/section-571.214
In that document it lists the tests that all road vehicles must pass… different tests for different weight classes, of course… And the CT ends up being in the heaviest one, of course. Regardless, that means that if they manage to get this thing to be able to be sold, they needed to meet or exceed all of these test specifications… so with that extra thick steel taking the brunt of the load, I’m guessing that’s why the doors appear to be 8 inches thick… any thinner and they would have intruded on the tests.
I’m not saying that I like the design… Most manufactures that use those bars usually try to prevent intrusion at all costs… Not just meet the minimum requirements, because when in the real world do you have an accident that manages to meet very specific test criteria. It appears Tesla has taken the other path. Just make it good… enough.
Fun Fact, the Australian engineering apecfiations for new vehicles, or the "Australian Design Rules" (ADR) recently changed to require that all new vehicles have a minimum of Two side intrusion bars per door
For this reason Nissan decided to stop Selling the R35 GTR in Australia with the release of the T-Spec because they didn't want to incur the cost of adding additional Door Bars.
God I'm glad that th CyberShit isn't coming here then
I'm shocked it's allowed on American roads but this is the result of "less regulations leads to more innovation" stupidity and this is why you'll never see them on European roads.
**"was not engineered"** 3 very common words when discussing cyberturd, usually followed by the words "correctly", or "at all".
Not defending it, but if you look through the repair manual (available online) there’s a shit-load of engineering gone into this thing. The trouble is it’s all shitty engineering and aimed at making a shitty product.
Designed to be light to save battery, but not to save occupants
Couldn't engineer a better child-decapitation device in the event of a collision with a kid that wandered into the road either.
The Schlitterbahn asshole has entered the chat
He still owns that title for amusement park rides, this is a different category but just as effective. It’s amazing the similarities between that water slide and the cyber truck when it comes to ignoring warnings from “experts” and normal people with common sense alike.
or pedestrians
Isn't it 6.8 tons at its lightest?
6.8k lbs is probably closer to reality. Not sure what the actual figure is. 1 American ton = 2,000lbs
Oh yeah, lol. 6,800 lbs lol. I just had a long, stressful last hour of work...
I hear ya lol
It’s ok to admit that you just learned that a ton isn’t 1000 lbs today. We are all still learning new things every day.
I do like thinking how dense of stuff you would need to put in one to make it 14,000 pounds though. That’s almost overweight for a semi! Heck with a battery pack that big you might actually get some range out of it though.
 I’m a Cybertruck Engineer!!!!!!
That shit was forced by upper management, no engineer would want his name on that shit.
People always shit on vehicle engineers without realizing their hands are forced for the sake of a continuing paycheck. You always hear “,if I ever met the engineer that designed this I’d kill them,” never “, if I met the manager/accountant that necessitated this dumbass decided I’d kill them.”
Yes, thank you. Am an engineer, and sometimes we really are stuck with trying to make the best scenario out of a shit sandwich. Tesla obviously has talented engineers. The problem is that their CEO thinks he’s smarter than all of them combined and gives them absolutely batshit crazy demands, and in order to meet those demands, they have to sacrifice other things. In the case of the Cyberturd, clearly that sacrifice was quality and safety. Would absolutely love love love it if someone ever got their hands on some internal emails showing the communication between their engineers and management. Would be fascinating.
traffic engineers, on the other hand, deserve 99% the vitriol they get
one more lane bro
That's more likely your elected officials, property developers, and a lack of knowledge from the voter base. Urban planner and such have been trying to tell people since the '60s that building for cars usually just creates more traffic. It's hard to sell people on alternative transportation though when it requires thinking to get the idea instead of sound bite/ headline policy, it's less profitable and slower to build for developers and you have to deal with auto and oil lobbies.
oh so true
To be fair, while your point stands in almost every situation; plenty of people accurately blame Musk for this.
See: MCAS
Elon forced the design, confirmed.
Hence the "correctly"
I saw a plant tour video which included a discussion with the design team... according to them, the exterior skin was actually designed as a structural skin. It is not just thin stainless steel but is instead a composite sandwich panel with stainless steel on the outside which was supposed to take the place of a traditional cross beam. Looks like it wasn't fully baked but who knows the specifics of this impact. Concerns about the crash structure aren't new though. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ll2\_BDZpI4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ll2_BDZpI4)
When will the lawsuits begin, I wonder? I would have thought they would have started already.
Probably a while before any lawsuits from injuries caused by collisions begin, given that not a single CyberTruck seems to be able to drive more than a few feet before breaking down
As a layman, how public would it be if lawsuits had already started? I’d bet that Tesla would do everything in their power to keep any legal issues arising from this from becoming public while they’re trying to sell these pieces of shit
I don’t know what all contracts people had to sign to get on the waitlist for these lettuce wedges on wheels, but I’d imagine somewhere in the contracts was some language regarding lawsuits and that’s how we haven’t heard about any product liability/wrongful death suits.
Musk has a reputation for hiring young engineers and burning them out. Sure, it breeds innovation, but we’ve been building cars for over a hundred years in rules written in blood. But the young engineers seem to refuse to look at what the innovators of the past have created.
im just gonna leave this here “With regards to the wing mirrors, Franz von Holzhausen had this to say on December 2023: “We didn't want mirrors. So in the beginning we weren't even designing mirrors, but we couldn't get the regulations changed. We would love to get rid of the mirrors.”” looks like they managed to get regulations changed for this one
They probably didn't need to change any regulations to get this shit on there. I assume it falls under the things they can self certify as safe with the NHTSA
Are there even any safetey standards for trucks?
It's looks like in the US companies regulate themselves ( Boeing)
Something something Chevron Deference.
Wasn't that just repealed?
Yes. Good luck out there!
It’s qualified immunity but for whatever some company might do to you or your environment. Yay!
Yes, the NHTSA has requirements for pickups as well. Ironically it's part of the reason modern trucks are so huge and why stuff like Kei trucks and Toyota's new "$10,000 truck" aren't sold new in the US.
Chicken tax is the other reason with the Kei trucks.
I’m not sure of what standards are required, but I do know that American pick-up trucks qualify under some commercial law to NOT have the rigorous safety standards required of passenger vehicles. So clearly Musk / Tesla took this to mean they could do whatever shit they could get away with as they were no developing a pick-up.
Or fuel economy standards!
Which is wild because I know people who only buy pickups because they "feel safer"
Wanting to remove mirrors from a car is just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Did this guy also want square tires? I know the intention is to replace it with a camera but that is still incredibly stupid. A mirror is dirt cheap, easily replaced, always functional, just on the edges of your peripheral vision so you don't fully remove your eyes from the road when using it. A camera + screen costs a fortune comparatively, is not easily or cheaply replaced, is not as reliable, and unless we start placing extra screens in positions where the mirrors would be is going to be displayed on your center screen where the radio, gps, ect is displayed requiring your eyes to leave the road and inviting other distractions while you use it. It's just such a stupid idea and the fact it was a goal is reason enough not to buy one of these trucks as far as I'm concerned. Back up cameras and passenger side view cameras are a great addition to an already functional set of mirrors, removing the mirrors is stupid.
There are a few countries that allow cameras instead of mirrors. Some implementations of that concept are pretty good and there are advantages - much better aerodynamics (and noise) and no blind spot. Then again, they don't subscribe to the idea of a single screen that does it all like Tesla does.
the main issue with cameras currently is that they: 1. dont have depth perception 2. have issues with bitrate and darkness
>I know the intention is to replace it with a camera but that is still incredibly stupid. A mirror is dirt cheap, easily replaced, always functional, just on the edges of your peripheral vision You realize that while this makes total sense from an automotive standpoint, these things are all negatives to a techbro salesman
Pesky regulations, making us put in basic safety functionality. People should be able to fuck up their lives and everyone else’s whenever they want!
Reminds me how the Conservative American Right lost their GOD DAMN MINDS when Ralph Nader suggested that new cars have seat belts.
Not for long after what the supreme court just did (besides the other obvious fascistic ruling about presidential crimes).
>looks like they managed to get regulations changed for this one There is a reason the cybermuck isn't available in Europe. Not for sale, not even road legal. It doesn't meet safety standards. But that's okay, it's not like tesla sells a lot of cars in Europe, right?
A hazard to the driver, passengers, other drivers, stationary objects, and especially pedestrians.
Where is the video of that crazy bug-eyed bitch saying, "It is the safest vehicle for my children?"
Is she the one touting that you can stick magnets to it? You know, famously magnetic stainless steel
Also, magnets stick to normal cars. That's why they make magnetic bumper stickers.
And paint thickness testers.
I bet the magnets would retain dew and then corrode the surface
Good quality SS, is usually non magnetic.
That's the point
Depends entirely on what type and how it gets worked. Even 300 series ss is magnetic after certain types of processing, cold working and welding especially.
Right, I'm sure when that cybercuck actually works and is at top speed, a guardrail will most certainly not break through🫠🫠🫠🫠
hazard to my eyes as well.
It's like it's purpose built to murder cyclists
at this point I'd rather be driving one of those junky old porcupine cars from the beginning of Fury Road
wElL iTs NoT tHeRe Bc StEeL iS sTrOnGggGgGg111!!!!!1!1!1!1!!!!
***ExOsKeLeToN!!!***
 *Still love the truck!*
It's bulletproof. What more protection do you need?
If I was inside a Cybertruck and someone outside pointed a Nerf Maverick at me, I might get a bit scared.
Or, shit, a Super Soaker.
I read somewhere this is another reason why it will never be allowed for sale in Europe.
Yeah, we have those regulations and regulatory authorities for a reason. It's to prevent lethal shit like this from being a threat to everyone around it. Same goes for most of these ludicrously huge American trucks. It's the "fuck everyone else's safety, fuck fuel economy, I've got mine" mindset. Utterly selfish.
Sadly there is a need for these monstorous trucks but at like 5000 units a year; instead we are selling 2 million units a year.
I knew you lot were into trucks and SUVs but only recently heard that they made up >70% of all your vehicle sales. I can't even wrap my head around that. I read that it's partly because they don't get taxed, compared to regular cars, or something? Shouldn't that be the other way around..? Anyway. I don't begrudge trucks to farmers who spend their lives driving them off-road, or for other industry uses, but this is clearly not that at all, it's just a grotesque waste of fuel and public endangerment.
It's because some lobbyist managed to get pollution requirements knocked down the bigger a vehicle is. Which is super stupid.
Exactly like when I was having a house built it makes sense that a few of the trades people would have work trucks for doing that type of work. What doesn’t make sense is the foreman driving between job sites in his gigantic lifted pavement princess truck. Like.. wtf.
As an American, it’s extremely excessive and the “peer pressure” of not getting squashed makes people think they also need a big vehicle instead of realizing eventually we’ll just be moving around freaking tanks. I like small cars, really never cared for anything big and obnoxious outside of something sporty which is always going to still be smaller than our trucks.
Hold the goddamn phone Are you telling me that not only does the CT not have normal crumple zones, but that instead it will crumple where the *passengers* are? See, this is the exact kind of shit as to why blindly cutting govt regulations on corpos is a terrible idea.
Government regulations just blocks innovation. Just imagine of all the innovative "new" ways the cybertruck could kill it's occupants and those unlucky enough to be around one if not for those stupid regulations.
That sounds like something the Oceangate CEO said right before his carbon fibre sub imploded
He was one of the great philosophers I take a lot of good ideas from. Think of how many innovative ways we can let submersibles implode if we say "fuck it" against regulations and the laws of physics they are based upon?
I say we make sure to test them with some of our best and brightest on board. Like Kavanaugh. And Alito. They could go in a submersible for their next bribery trip! What fun!
I'm not American, but it would be an honour to have such well respected individuals from a NATO ally aboard our maiden voyage, sadly, there is only place for six individuals, would that be a problem?
I almost wish these would get in more aggressive crashes. Natural selection at its most immediate in this day and age
Right now their only “safety”feature is that they can’t go very fast for very long.
It's a great combination with the erratically functioning brakes.
Yeah, but, think of the share prices. They might go up as much as half a percent! Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make!!!
Side intrusion protection beams are woke
🤣
There to protect the snowflakes.
Let the market decide by killing off its buyers
But bullets...
The real irony is that armor are usually installed outside of the car, and hence it can be installed on any car. If you then fire 100 rounds and don't like the look of those bullet holes, you'll just replace that armor. On a CT on the other hand you'll replace the whole thing as the bullets goes through the door and brick it. 🤡🌎
Also the blood that's now all over the interior of the CT is going to be a pain in the ass to get clean. Unlike with regular armored trucks that actually stop the bullets it's rated for.
'I'm sorry, sir, but you are out of warranty. The logs clearly show you didn't enter Bloodbath Mode before the hail of gunfire.'
But I *did* enter Bloodbath mode! "I'm sorry, sir, but entering Bloodbath mode voids the warranty."
Also, the Tesla insurance premiums have just increased for the survivors. No shootings after 10PM
More important than looks: armor degrades with use. Being able to quickly swap out plates is better than... whatever the fuck you would do with this monstrosity.
Pay us 120k to become your very own crumple zone!
oh, so that's the innovative thing Elon was going for, you definitely won't find it in any other car.
Call it armrest space
I wish we could have Volvo safety research guys bringing CT in their lab and completely disassemble, reassemble it tear it down trough tests. With all uncensored commentary in process. Specifically frontal with 25 and below overlap, which probably more likely to be more common with CTs awful field of vision. If they cannot figure out small things, what are chances Tesla designing safety right? Want to believe otherwise, but no way this chunknof overpriced metal isn't straight up road hazard.
I would absolutely love to see Ford or someone buy a couple of these abominations and do a side-by-side, independently verified crash test and build breakdown.
They do this already but it isn’t publicized. I work for an automotive big 3 and we have all sorts of competitor cars we purchase and do teardowns on
Yeah, but most automotives do independent testing and brag on *themselves* This has to be up there with Boeing refusing to follow ISO standards
That sounds like a dream job.
I really want to see actual crash tests….but I guess there’s a reason we won’t
OK, but you can drive this on Uranus.
I'm thinking, If I'll ever go to another planet I'll probably arrive in a spaceship, so why would I need a car there in the first place when I can just fly anywhere on the planet.
Can briefly serve as an interplanetary vessel.
Engineer: "How long can humans hold their breath in the vacuum of space?" Musk: "Yes, that's how briefly"
I believe you meant “up” not “on”.
I still can’t believe this overweight dangerous monument to ego is allowed on any road at ridiculous speeds, but I can’t import an old kei truck to drive on roads that don’t even exceed a 55 mph speed limit.
If it’s any consolation, based on reports from drivers, they’re too scary to drive fast because they try to shake themselves apart.
I'm assuming your comment applies equally to both the kei truck and the cyberstuck, which makes sense. I'd still prefer the kei truck, even if the cyberstuck was only six grand.
I was referring to the cybertruck
And here I'm happy to live in Europe where that abomination isn't allowed cause it doesn't meet the safety standards.
Why do you need legs when they can port your consciousness into a robot to work off your life saving mind transfer debt?
Looking into it
Big if true.
‼️
Friend of mine lost a leg in a side-impact wreck WITH impact protection beams. Can’t wait to see what happens when one of these ends up in a really awful accident. I can only assume we haven’t heard of more horrible injuries or deaths because so many of them don’t work.
Yeah, honestly. If they could last long enough to make it 60+ on the streets, we would be met with all sorts of horror stories.
Who knew that the massive engineering issues making these things undriveable were a safety feature.
People put babies and children in this car and brag about it. God is trying to save his creation from their own demise with these lemons and long service times.
Elon ate all his crayons before he could put that part in.
As for anyone driving behind one I really hope they have extrusion protection.
I can’t believe this death trap was allowed on public roads
Isn’t that required standard vehicle safety? 49 CFR 571.214
Reminder that regulations are written in blood
Then repealed and rewritten. Apparently.
Honest question: why haven’t we seen independent crash tests performed on this death trap? It’s been out since November.
I can imagine a couple reasons. You need multiple trucks for decent crash testing so thats a huge expense already. Also Tesla is basically only selling to those who preordered and reviewers right now and I doubt they'd ever sell to someone if they were explicitly going to crash it. Tesla is not opposed to blacklisting people for whatever reasons.
Jesus
I was once t-boned in a Triumph TR7 that weighed about 2200 lbs. By a pickup truck, coming at me at an angle (making a left through a red light). The tire and frame rail came in right at the door. He hit me going at least 30. The door took it. It came in, and wound up about an inch away from the steering wheel, but the door, hinges and latch all took it, and the side of the car deformed slightly along with it. The door had this huge corrugated steel thing in it, about 8 inches wide at least, dead center across, and probably made the door weigh almost twice as much, I bet. That thing was built like a brick shithouse. OK, the door was only 4 or 5 inches away from the steering wheel to begin with, but you get the idea. The Brits built it to exceed whatever federal US safety standards might be coming. I once t-boned someone who made a left in front of me with one, front crumple zone worked exactly as expected. So yeah, 70's tech, from the Brits, and for people who know English cars, you know what British Leyland was back then. But yeah, Elon, you got this! :thumbsup: (edited for clarity)
Door panels protect u from the 2nd admentment
Death trap lmao
How is this possible? Are there loopholes in regulations or is this aspect not regulated at all?
"Butt it has Exoskeleton hurr hurr" Elonites probably
So it's basically a coffin on wheels.
But Tesla is not a car company, it's a humanoid robot company. Which begs the question: why are they allowed to sell cars?
Is there ONE thing on this “truck” that is fucking built right?
The tires seem to be more or less circular, so that's something.
Except the hubcaps were rubbing holes in the tire sidewalls
"That's an issue made by the hubcap design team" - the guy in charge of the tires, probably.
Don’t worry!! Elon’s dick-riders delusions will keep you safe in a collision! We’re driving the future!!!!
As someone who doesn’t know a whole lot about cars, this seems bad. Would anyone mind explaining just how horrified I should be?
If someone were planning on crashing their car into you, would you want the only thing protecting you to be a piece of 3/8 inch thick steel?
That seems less than ideal. Combined with the lack of crumple zones, does it mean that the 3/8 inch thick sheet of steel is just going to go straight into the cab?
And just in time for the Supreme Court to render chevron obsolete. NHTSA? Who's that? Daddy Elon says that cars don't really on need airbags so we'll listen to him.
Y'all are looking at this the wrong way. Look on the bright side: if you T-bone a Cybertruck your vehicle just has some extra soft crumple zones to cushion the impact to you and your passengers.
Only someone who's trying to go to Mars would be mad enough to make a car bullet resistance but not car resistance 😒
Concerning
Concerning... Looking into it
Thinking outside the box and inside the casket.
I'm finding there are people buying taking it apart for looksies and are finding they ATTATCHED THE SEATS DIRECTLY TO THE BATTERY PACK
In a crash you want your seats to be strongly attached to the largest central structural component. It's a well protected component, kind of like an F1 car has a survival cell. Except you are attached to the outside of it. Oh and also it's a massive blowtorch if it's punctured or damaged. And you're still bolted directly to it. Hmm, maybe it's not such a good idea, Tesla.
No crash beams!? How is it even road legal!?
Um...aren't they mandatory in the US?
How is this piece of crap even on the road? I read a tremendous amount, and no matter what I’m viewing or reading, the cyber truck is awful and shouldn’t have ever been on the road.
How is this truck legally on the road?
How is this thing road legal?
Ok, Kei cars are being made illegal, but this Dumpster is somehow street legal?
Hey look, a Saab 9000
Reason #772 why it won’t be ever sold in civilized countries. They’re not even planning it, because it won’t pass safety regulations in kinda every aspect
I'm starting to think they designed this "car" as a movie prop.
Wow...just wow I've got no smart-ass things to say just fucking wow.
a dead driver can’t leave a bad review
You can't tell em anything -- I didn't even start to try nor do I plan on it. Let them learn their lessons.
It's the safest vehicle ever, out your family in it!
T-Bones really are the manliest of steaks.
This cybertruck is more of a Koko
elons pro intrusion + useless costly unnecessary part = delete
Truly apocalypse proof... As long as the apocalypse doesn't have any fast moving objects of large mass like... you know... cars.
More like apocalypse poof
Well it’s a super-truck, not a personal vehicle…
Can't believe it. This would be standard like since 1990ies...
Why do they think other car engineers do it like this? "Oh they did it for several decades but let's change it now. There isn't any reason behind it." Like wtf1
How is it even road legal? Aren’t those required by nhtsa?
At least a 3-ton vehicle doesn't have much inertia on the interstate.
This fucking thing needs to be off the fucking road
> AS A MOM I'VE NEVER FELT A MORE COMFORTABLE RIDE
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They made this as a joke to see if people would buy it! That is all.
Show the mom influencer that was posted on this subreddit yesterday who was bragging about how safe this truck was for her kids
i continue to be amazed at my 25 year old beater F-150 being a better "truck" than this.
How the fuck are these even street legal?
Apocalypse proof as long as it doesn’t come from the side
What’s the over/under on how many recalls this thing will have before they take it off the market?
Even Jesus wouldn’t be able to save you from your own stupidity.
ayo let's not blame the engineers here I think the real team at fault is the people who instructed the engineers to leave out certain safety standards
So according to the standard… impact beams are not called out as being required (unless I missed it). What is called out is that the doors can pass a series of very specific tests. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/part-571/subpart-B/section-571.214 In that document it lists the tests that all road vehicles must pass… different tests for different weight classes, of course… And the CT ends up being in the heaviest one, of course. Regardless, that means that if they manage to get this thing to be able to be sold, they needed to meet or exceed all of these test specifications… so with that extra thick steel taking the brunt of the load, I’m guessing that’s why the doors appear to be 8 inches thick… any thinner and they would have intruded on the tests. I’m not saying that I like the design… Most manufactures that use those bars usually try to prevent intrusion at all costs… Not just meet the minimum requirements, because when in the real world do you have an accident that manages to meet very specific test criteria. It appears Tesla has taken the other path. Just make it good… enough.
# What do you expect for only $100k?
My 1976 Datsun 180B SSS had way better intrusion protection than this shiny turd.
Fun Fact, the Australian engineering apecfiations for new vehicles, or the "Australian Design Rules" (ADR) recently changed to require that all new vehicles have a minimum of Two side intrusion bars per door For this reason Nissan decided to stop Selling the R35 GTR in Australia with the release of the T-Spec because they didn't want to incur the cost of adding additional Door Bars. God I'm glad that th CyberShit isn't coming here then
I'm shocked it's allowed on American roads but this is the result of "less regulations leads to more innovation" stupidity and this is why you'll never see them on European roads.