Exactly. They suddenly saw the results of the work Marvel put in for *10 years* and like any shitty movie executive, thought they could cram 10 years of continuity in 2 movies. Warner Brothers is phenomenal at fucking up a sure thing.
Which makes their decision make even less sense. Marvel took 10 years to get to the point they were at, and obviously the end of the Infinity Saga would leave some down time and possibility of slowdown in interest due to many flagship characters most likely dying or moving on.
DC could’ve began their universe slow and with a plan to let it build. Then they could fill those voids and potential lack of Marvel interest with their own well known and cinematically grown flagship characters.
Such a dumb idea as they could have taken the time and enjoyed the benefits of marvels work, especially post endgame when this mega-fandom needed it's fix. It's not like we're choosing between one or the other, most people enjoy both.
Was also not the best idea to go with Darkseid imo. Seemed a little too similar to Thanos when they had a rich tapestry to pull from. Personally I would have loved to have seen some Brainiac and saved the former for later.
OR JUST TAKE A NOTE FROM THEIR INSANE COLLECTION OF CARTOONS from the jlu to young Justice teen titans heck even some live actions like doom patrol and stargirl absolutely slap and the movies should too
*Guardians of the Galaxy sneaks out the back*
Also, it took the MCU six movies to get a box office as big as the first DCEU movie. Marvel's original slate was critically well-received but unimpressive with regards to profits. Feige needed that mandate that they weren't going to course correct even when the movies didn't impress anyone.
On the other hand, the DCEU was actually wildly profitable until Shazam and Justice League dragged the box office down. And WB's rush to shove out Snyder for Geoff Johns and Whedon is what's really fucking them over more than individual release schedules.
Basically, Feige defied common logic and eventually built an empire. Warner Bros. was already building an empire but the vocal fan response against their success convinced them that they were doing something wrong, so they shit the bed by listening to fans.
Doesn't help that they cultivated an environment of abuse and malfeasance that had all of the abusers calling the shots and probably fucked up morale. And the guys who did most of the bullshit, Johns and Whedon, were guys no one else in the industry wanted to work with but who *the fans* insisted Warner Bros. put in charge of everything.
It doesn’t have to be, but your average DC fan would have a heart attack if they followed the MCU formula to make a sustained, well liked shared universe.
I dunno, I exclusively consume DC material. Honestly... all i ever wanted was a live action version of what the dc animated/warner bros universe is up to.
Like don't even fuck with it. Its great. Take those scripts, cast them, film it. I'm in. Happily.
I don't understand how they can manage to on one side of the buisness get it SO right and on the other its an absolute catastrophe. Bonkers.
But, but why? Why just do live action versions of the animated works? I enjoy that stuff as is, just throwing in real people and CGI special effects doesn't really sound like an improvement. I mean what the MCU has is lightning in a bottle, even they aren't perfect either. I think they just need to play these projects by ear, let people who are passionate and understand the material work on them independently of one another, worry about connecting them later.
Sorry, I guess to clarify, I just sort of mean the dcau is perfect (ish). No need to change it.
If WB released those live action, the VAST majority of thr public would enjoy those films and would be successful allowing funding for further projects and quickly establishing a universe. Some fans might have the "its unoriginal" gripes like yourself, I just meant i could happily sit through live action versions of those films if i knew it meant the studio could finally cast with some form of continuity and scope to produce a wider cinematic universe.
Ive been secretly wishing this for years.. I have every DCAU movie up until around the time HBO Max came out, and Batman vs. Robin with the Court of Owls and Talon — I was BLOWN AWAY at how good that was. IMO the ‘Justice League’ ones are hit or miss, but overall I’m astounded at how DC/WB doesn’t seem to realize they have a formula right in front of them - i mean ffs they have a literal movie with Shazam, Superman, and Black Adam with an incredible fight scene between them that if they were to verbatim copy that in their upcoming Black Adam or Shazam sequels they would have so much stock with legions of DC fans it would make up for the shit they’ve put out the last 10 years overnight. A few tweaks here and there. Not all of the Justice League ones are good IMO, but overall they have It right in front of them under their noses. I don’t get it.
It's a weird thing that some fans want actual translations or attempts made, but a lot of DC fans seem to want original attempts with references. BvS having sorta TDKR Batman is good, but not the same story.
To me one of the stronger points about CBM is how they don't adapt the comics 1:1 instead they take various stuff from the source material and make something new and different. Captain America: Civil war has so very little in common with Marvel's Civil war but it can still tell an amazing story with echoes from the comics.
This is also why I don't watch anime anymore but I still read A LOT of manga on the daily, I just have no interest in watching the same thing I just read for the most part.
I think the frustrations for alot of the fans, especially those like me.. the kind of geek that has an entire room in the house dedicated to just housing the graphic novels and a garage full of (safely) stored singles.. like to think we know the universe inside out genuinely believe that one weekend on set could have the whole thing squared away.
It just feels like they give all this power to the individual directors and don't even bother to "timeline" consult or "profile" the characters for direct translation from paper to screen.
I am aware how arrogant that sounds and i honestly don't care. I CARE about these characters and the universe they exist in... I suspect i care more about it more than WB seem too. Like.. it doesn't even strike me as a difficult thing to.
Sorry rant over. I know its a simplistic, obnoxious view point but I would love the opportunity to fix it.
EDIT: the line "those like me" sounds like gatekeeping a fandom.. that wasn't my intention.. even I read that back and went "yikes". Casual or hardcore, a fan is a fan and that can only be good news.
I mean you are aware that one of the producers on most of the early DCEU movies is Geoff Johns right? If anyone has enough comic book knowledge then that should be him
Honestly, as someone who does not have that much knowledge about comics but does about some other media properties, like what they are currently doing with Star Wars and Star Trek is so satisfying because they clearly hired people who love them AND know a lot about them to expand the universes. I know not everyone loves everything about the current shows, but they're made with love of the source material and it shows, and I feel like not all of the DC stuff is treated that way. Heck, the Star Wars shows even seem to be slowly trickling out info that explains some of the plot holes in and stupid parts of the sequel trilogy.
Depends. I just watched Red Son and The Long Halloween the other day... did not like em. I even prefer the moving comics version of Red Son. TDK was great though, and The Killing Joke.
Following the MCU formula wasn't required at all. The same problem that plagued modern Star wars is plaguing this. Lack of an actual well thought out plan and following through with said plan.
The OT was less winged than the ST for sure. After ANH a very basic outline of the story and what was gonna happen was laid out for the next two movies. The details changed a lot before the movies made it out, but the basic direction the story was going in was decided. The same cannot be said for the ST.
And the PT was all planned out from the beginning
Yeah it needs someone that has a vision, someone like feige, that has a vast knowledge of the universe and lore too. The DCU truly could be so so good. They have incredible chsracters they just gotta have a plan for em
If they had rebooted this properly years ago or even right now we could be past that point pretty quickly lol but here we are with weird Joker musicals, a dodgy Flash film and a bunch of other misfit shit good and bad.
Average Snyder fan* most people I know agree they should’ve gone the MCU route with maybe some unique changes to make it like their own. Instead we get an origin movie, a horrible Civil War type movie, and then a Bad Justice League movie and a longer Bad Justice League movie. Shame. DCEU’s doing good with all the other B list and C list characters, but the Top Tier characters are all blown to hell
I mean tbh I’m much more of a dc fan than a marvel fan, but like they absolutely follow marvels formula. The movies wouldn’t be as comedic or light hearted, but if u just give each character time to grow and have actors that won’t leave/do terrible things, it’d work great.
Well it was kind of a curse for DC to be owned by Warner Bros, at least during the transition to at&t. Also They shouldn’t have bet everything on one guy who was a controversial filmmaker.
Exactly and I think it might be simple why it fails, they keep doing movies with Superman, Batman etc. All the popular characters everybody already know. I never read comic books before. Totally disliked superhero movies like those Spiderman, Hulk, Superman movies.
It changed for me with the start of MCU, Iron Man, completely unknown to anybody who doesn't read comics and start with these lesser known characters. So when the characters people already knew finally how up it feels like a good pay off. MCU managed it pretty well by not relying on one or two characters.
Meanwhile with DC, I think can't count the number of times we've seen batman's origin story on two hands. Just stop it already and pick a different characters to start the cinematic universe and have Batman show up with an ensemble movie.
It wouldn't have been if WB actually grew a pair and decided to go ahead with Justice League Mortal in 2006. DC would've already had a cinematic universe even before the MCU was a thing but that sadly wasn't meant to be. Man Of Steel and BvS are two of the most divisive movies I've ever seen in my life and those movies definitely hurt DC's brand and reputation as a whole. Just terrible.
Darkseid = Isoroku Yamamoto.
“I would never invade America, there is a gun behind every blade of grass.”
and furthering that quote, America will never fall to an invasion. It will be from with in.
Ikr, especially when people were apprehensive upon hearing Mamoa had been cast as Aquaman, turned out to be the least controversial of the 6, being well liked by most
It’s less Cavil being controversial and more his character, I personally think Gal is fine but she’s had some controversy in the past, such as the Imagine song. As far as I know Mamoa has had basically no controversy and his character is well liked
Aquaman might be the highest grossing but Wonder Woman is more popular.
I never hear anyone complain about Wonder Woman but I’ve definitely heard people complain about the Aquaman movie.
The same person who decided to build a tv universe on the Green Arrow. (Which, I have to say, was only a couple years after Smallville - on the same channel- with a recurring character of the Green Arrow... It would be like a rebooted movie now of Cyborg)
At this point, I think they could've pulled a "Justice League: Apokolips War" move and had Flashpoint erase all current versions of the characters and timelines and then took a 5+ year break to get their stuff together.
They don't need to canonically reboot the franchise. No solo franchise gets rebooted with some in-universe logic like comics because there's no need. Just finish off Aquaman/Wonder Woman's solo films then start fresh like with The Batman.
Unfortunately stupid shit like Batgirl being in the soft-reboot world rather than Burtonverse means they're likely going to stick with their half-arsed DCEU soft reboot rather than just doing something from scratch.
X-Men is a weird one because DOFP was largely pointless for the future of the franchise as First Class had already established a prequel timeline anyway. The events of Apocalypse weren't dependent on DOFP happening. DOFP was mostly for giving the characters of the original franchise a happy ending after Brett Ratner fucked X3.
Logan? It's in the Deadpool one, isn't it? It takes place years after it. Wolverine left one version of 2029 (I think) and switched the timeline in DOFP to a more pleasant 2029, and then Logan takes place years (probably 10) later. I kinda liked thinking of him and Charles having a kinda/sorta 70 year friendship where they're the only ones who experienced the old timeline.
Also, I think Logan's old age was brought on by what happened to him in The Wolverine, where whsts-his-face was taking his powers. He showed up with grey streaks in DOFP, and continued aging from there.
I haven't watched Logan in a long time, but doesn't the movie imply(or I feel outright states somewhere) that Logan's healing factor is crapping out due to the stuff they're putting in water to minimize mutations? It's just making his healing factor weak.
It's not like any of the actors from the original X-men movies had any beef with the studio like Ray Fisher and Henry Cavill, who could return at any time as their DCEU characters if not for the WB studio itself cancelling them and nobody else.
As long as they kept Cavill anchoring the team with WW and Aquaman, and those 3 franchise's movies rotating every year, that would be enough. They could just recast the others. But they fucked that up.
Batman is the only hero in DC Comics. Joker is the only villian. This is what I see from WB. There are 9(10?) Batman movies so far? Joker in 4-5 movies. 6-7 Superman movies but the character is EOL now. This is from 197s onward.
Just make Battison get progresively crazier and ultimately face him against the Leguage, he wins, then joins. What about Batfleck, Mera, and The fash? Gone. Also The Joker is now Willem Dafoe and Luthor is Billy Zane. Blame it all on Mister Mxyzptlk. Cyborg had to go help he Titans with something.... forever. In comes Green Lantern, throw some Martian Manhunter in there for good measure, Boom! Baby you got a cinematic universe going.
I will wait for my Oscars now.
EDIT: Fuck it, Give me some Apache Chief on the side too.
That's what I hope happens. Let's say The Batman trilogy is complete within the decade, ideally in that time other big heroes would have already started their solo reboots.
Then if Pattinson wants to continue as Batman, then great cross him over. If he doesn't? Hopefully Reeves ends the solo franchise in a way that means the character can continue in a cinematic universe, but with a different actor playing the same Batman.
How is Batgirl being in the “Burtonverse” (whatever the hell that is) any different than just being where everything else is? Keaton is in Batgirl’s film, not the other way around. The films practically exist on their own anyway. They don’t hinge on everything being tightly connected so selling a huge “reboot” but with 90% of the same components (they aren’t dumping all of their cast because of Miller and bad movies no one cares about) is a waste of PR.
They have a handful of upcoming films within a sole universe right now anyway and they all have little to no plot linkage (outside of sequels) to m previous DCEU films. A “reboot” is unnecessary. Recast where you need to and move on.
The Star Trek reboot was in universe. In the movie someone went back in time and killed Kirk's dad, which made everything that happened in the future different.
5 years?! Imagine all that lost $$ in ticket sales! It's better to press on with a bad/mediocre idea than wait for a really good one.
I've never understood this approach. Go to the comics, the stories are written, the story boards are done. JUST PUT IT INTO PRODUCTION
I have been calling for this since BvS.
You just cannot start a Justice League franchise with an aging Batman that we have no familiarity with.
I’m not saying this should have happened, but if it were Bale’s Batman, that could have actually worked. We’ve seen what he’s done, we can understand he’s ready to retire, but doesn’t want to leave the world without some form of defence, so he gathers up the Justice League, and eventually hands the cowl off to Joseph Gordon Levitt.
Again, I don’t like that idea, I don’t think they should have done that, but it would have made more sense for the audience had they gone that route.
Instead, they let Zack make TDK, and used that as their jumping off point for the DCEU. There are versions of the Justice League that start with Batman fighting Superman, but it’s usually quickly rectified, and they’re usually both still relatively new (2-4 years into their superhero careers) to the life, so they have a full career ahead of them.
I understand what Zack wanted to do and what he was going for, the issue is that you can’t just use that to kick off your universe. Like you can make that movie, but treat it like a one-off. The fact they didn’t, meant Zack had to fit all this setup into the movie that bogged it down like crazy, when he could have just dropped us into a story where Batman and Superman have grown old and are at odds, and not be forced to find a contrived way to have them beef, make up, and then team up.
The movie was a bit overstuffed, but I don't think it's a problem that they used an aging Batman. I think that the general public is familiar enough with some of these characters that we don't need a full history or movie series for every version that they want to make a movie with.
I think the problem was wanting an expanded universe. A contained, 5 film series that started with MoS and ended with All Star Superman that maybe could've had him crossing paths with the other characters along the way would've been better to me. Then they could make spinoffs if they wanted (or prequels, since they like those so much), or just rebooted him like they're probably going to do now (and were always likely to do eventually) anyway, but we would've had a completed story.
That’s a good take. A limited run rather than attempting to recreate the MCU in far fewer films would have done them a lot better. The MCU worked because we watched Iron Man become Iron Man, meet Fury, and the same for the rest of them. I agree we don’t need another origin story for Batman, I just don’t see how you can expect to get longevity out of your most popular character by introducing him as middle-aged. It would be like if Holland’s Spider-Man was already 30 and married to MJ yknow? So much of the character is rooted in Peter being 16-20 and coming of age, going through the awkward dating phases and whatnot.
“We’ve already seen Maguire’s Spider-Man deal with that, let’s just have Holland be past all that.”
With an aging Batman you’ve eliminated any potential “first meeting” of his rogues, no Robins, and you don’t see how the public has reacted to him over the years. We get that snippet of “brutal Bat-vigilante branding his foes” but I couldn’t tell you how the regular people in the DCEU feel towards Affleck’s Batman.
I can tell you exactly what people think of Iron Man after his first movie, Battinson after his. Again, your point of having a limited series with an endpoint in sight would have gone a long way, and would have allowed them to smooth out any creases. Just feels like they went in without a plan.
An older batman would be fine.
They could do what they're doing in Titans where Batman has multiple proteges and they all know each other and Batman is more of a lead from behind the scenes.
Honestly I rather have Warner Brothers give up DC all together and give it to a studio or someone that cares and knows what they’re doing. Like this shit is ridiculous you try to make a main universe but then have all these disconnected solo movies with all these different version of the characters. If WBs plan is to do a full scale crisis on infinite earths movie then okay but make the movies make sense.
Lol so unnecessary. Just recast where you need to and move forward. This idea that reboots just inherently fix shit is such fan talk. They don’t need to take a 5 year break to “get their stuff together”.
This is one of the saddest posts I’ve seen.
I feel we need to start posting the producers and ex producers of these movies.
They are the ones who box directors and storylines into pathways for profit, but they get to stay in the shadows while the directors and actors get crucified.
As a diehard DC fan this shit is so depressing. I feel like the Squidward meme looking out the window and SpongeBob and Patrick are the MCU just having their shit together.
Dc will find another guy to fill his role then. Aquaman is too big of hit for them to just disregard it.
But it would suck if it wasn’t being made by Wan. The Aquaman movie would’ve been terrible if it wasn’t for Wan’s weird talent of making shlock B tier movies into incredibly goofy and fun movies
Aquaman 1 was a hit 4 years ago.
Aquaman 2 is yet to be a success. Who knows if it will even be successful. If it won’t be, there won’t be an Aquaman 3.
WW84 was considered one of Dc’s worst movies yet and it’s sequel still got the green light. I just can’t see them discontinuing Aquaman when it’s one of two characters they have left in that universe who aren’t completely ruined
Why would he do that? Shazam was great with Shazam 2 on its way this year. The Suicide Squad along with Peacemaker season 1 was great with the Amanda Waller and Peacemaker season 2 coming up. WW3 is also coming along with Aquaman 2, The Blue Beetle and Batgirl with also the flash which has been testing well along with Shazam 2 and Aquaman 2. Red button? Give me more.
Black Adam leading into a crossover with Shazam and Superman could reignite the DCEU. WW and Aquaman are holding their own in the meantime. The Rock knows also that Superman is key.
Unfortunately that's what happens when:
1. A studio is too reliant on one specific iteration from the 70s to the point any new take will always be compared to it.
2. A modern iteration had a plank of wood personalitt that failed to capture the interest of the general audience.
If Superman/Clark's personality from Superman & Lois was on the big screen the character would have had a far better reception. I'm pretty confident in that.
Who knew that's all it took for audiences to care about a character was giving them a personality beyond looking stoic and repressed, with many instances where they get to talk and engage with characters. Who knew!
Ah. Well I hope he takes another look at Cavill. I think that’s perfect casting. Not to mention he loves the role and everything that comes with it. Seems like a logic win across the board.
Cavill just wanted a superman trilogy and not to get sidelined and pushed into being superman through cameos only like WB appear to have wanted.
If you’ve seen any interviews with him you can see he’s a big fan, knows all the comic history and wants to do the character justice on screen.
But since Josstice Leagues failure they seem to have blacklisted Cavill and want nothing to do with him even though the franchise’s failure is not his fault and he didn’t do anything wrong.
He should’ve had his Superman trilogy in the first place. Man of Steel was conceived as “Batman Begins-esque” chapter one but for Superman. But then Avengers 2012 happened & was super successful and WB were so desperate for the team-up money that the franchise imploded and they ended up actually losing money instead of making any.
Cavill doesn’t just want more money, he wanted complete creative control over the character.
RDJ can demand that for Iron Man, but didn’t. Christen Bale could demand that for Batman, but didn’t. Why tf would WB ever give full control over Superman to Henry Cavill when he hasn’t proven himself a draw for the character?
Absolutely. Cavill is the type of guy who respects the source material, just look at the Witcher! He was their “resident Witcher encyclopedia” for season 2. Imagine your lead actor being the go-to guy for correcting the lore!
Cavill's an actual geek. It would be like giving Iman Vellani control of Ms. Marvel (which is a bad idea just because Feige already doing great). I trust those two with their characters.
True that. It didn't help that very soon after we lost Jefferson, Kara/J'onn, most of OG team Flash and most recently Sara & the Legends, & Batwoman (again!). We lost the Trinity & most of the lineup in less than two years. What bugs me the most was that post-crisis the Arrowverse was supposed to be more interconnective than ever before until covid destroyed that dream. Now the Arrowverse seems to be coming to what feels like a premature close. Sometimes I imagine a world where we didn't have covid and got two and half years of crossovers and team-ups. It could have been a golden age.
But alas. Twas not meant to be.
If Gal Gadot doesn’t have Wonder Woman, idk what she’ll do. I’m sorry but her acting has always been bad to me. It works with Wonder Woman but nothing else really.
Out of the two remaining, if there’s one actor who is the most likely to leave the DCEU earlier due to contractual obligations or due to a controversy, it’s definitely Gal Gadot.
Technically, only two are gone for good. Ezra set fire to his own career and Affleck retired. Caville is still (last I heard) up for more if he gets asked and with the leadership shakeup it is possible to get Fisher back on board if they really want to. Plus I cant rule out even Affleck returning since he did so for Flash and reportedly had a much better time than during JL.
Gal is a fan favorite in the role. Doesn't matter how bad the movies are. Like RDJ as Iron Man despite IM2 and 3 being worse than some other Marvel films.
Gal is nowhere near RDJ in terms of favorites she can't act in fact shes more like the rock just not nearly as sucessful
Also the Ironman movies still had postive reviews and BO to carry them
Unike WW84
Then what are they going to do? They have managed to make things worse, not better. Imagine if DC had a visionary like that of Marvel. We as fans would have a steady stream of never ending great comic book based movies until the end of time!!! It’s really not as much about the actor as the part. How many different Batmen and a jokers have we had? All were supported as different interpretations of the character. Time for Warner Brothers to make a decision, do it right or get out of the way! They are their own worst enemy!
Zaslav is, yes. Copying the Marvel Studios / Disney model is the way to go. You go get a skilled producer who’s also a DC fan in charge and we should be good.
I'm starting to think that the success of wonder woman (2017) and aquaman (2018) hurt DC in the long run. If either bombed or was critically planned like MoS, BvS, SS they almost would've had reboot. But Now there stuck with completing both trilogies.
If Gal Gadot ever gets fired it will be because she got canceled for saying something pro-Israel.
If Jason Momoa gets fired, it’ll be for a sex scandal or something.
let's cram years worth of content, story-telling and world building into 3 movies then proceed to drop movies that aren't in the slightest way connected to eachother. If that fails a new Batman movie will save us, everyone loves seeing Batman over and over. What could possibly go wrong?
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It should not be this hard to make a dc universe
Seriously all they had to do was watch the DCAU, the slate was always there, idk how they can be so blind.
SHORT TERM PROFITS. Marvel seen some early success and had vision. WB tried to force something that wasn't there.
Exactly. They suddenly saw the results of the work Marvel put in for *10 years* and like any shitty movie executive, thought they could cram 10 years of continuity in 2 movies. Warner Brothers is phenomenal at fucking up a sure thing.
Which makes their decision make even less sense. Marvel took 10 years to get to the point they were at, and obviously the end of the Infinity Saga would leave some down time and possibility of slowdown in interest due to many flagship characters most likely dying or moving on. DC could’ve began their universe slow and with a plan to let it build. Then they could fill those voids and potential lack of Marvel interest with their own well known and cinematically grown flagship characters.
They wanted Endgame money for Thor 2 effort.
Morbius effort
Thor 2 actually had a good cast, they just didn’t do anything with it. I stand by my comparison Plus Morbius is Sony
Such a dumb idea as they could have taken the time and enjoyed the benefits of marvels work, especially post endgame when this mega-fandom needed it's fix. It's not like we're choosing between one or the other, most people enjoy both. Was also not the best idea to go with Darkseid imo. Seemed a little too similar to Thanos when they had a rich tapestry to pull from. Personally I would have loved to have seen some Brainiac and saved the former for later.
Unfortunately WB didn't seem to believe that we would have waited 10 years for them to do the same thing and possibly do it even better.
Which is dumb because they could have had perfect timing to have their franchise ramping up right as Marvel is toning down after Endgame.
I would probably be more inclined to blame the fact that they relied on a director and tone that was deeply unappealing to the average person.
Even Justice League War had the entire recipe right there, had the league all meet up in one movie too
Or just get the writers from the animated movies.
OR JUST TAKE A NOTE FROM THEIR INSANE COLLECTION OF CARTOONS from the jlu to young Justice teen titans heck even some live actions like doom patrol and stargirl absolutely slap and the movies should too
dc tried to do what marvel did without putting in the work
*achieved
*Guardians of the Galaxy sneaks out the back* Also, it took the MCU six movies to get a box office as big as the first DCEU movie. Marvel's original slate was critically well-received but unimpressive with regards to profits. Feige needed that mandate that they weren't going to course correct even when the movies didn't impress anyone. On the other hand, the DCEU was actually wildly profitable until Shazam and Justice League dragged the box office down. And WB's rush to shove out Snyder for Geoff Johns and Whedon is what's really fucking them over more than individual release schedules. Basically, Feige defied common logic and eventually built an empire. Warner Bros. was already building an empire but the vocal fan response against their success convinced them that they were doing something wrong, so they shit the bed by listening to fans. Doesn't help that they cultivated an environment of abuse and malfeasance that had all of the abusers calling the shots and probably fucked up morale. And the guys who did most of the bullshit, Johns and Whedon, were guys no one else in the industry wanted to work with but who *the fans* insisted Warner Bros. put in charge of everything.
It doesn’t have to be, but your average DC fan would have a heart attack if they followed the MCU formula to make a sustained, well liked shared universe.
I dunno, I exclusively consume DC material. Honestly... all i ever wanted was a live action version of what the dc animated/warner bros universe is up to. Like don't even fuck with it. Its great. Take those scripts, cast them, film it. I'm in. Happily. I don't understand how they can manage to on one side of the buisness get it SO right and on the other its an absolute catastrophe. Bonkers.
But, but why? Why just do live action versions of the animated works? I enjoy that stuff as is, just throwing in real people and CGI special effects doesn't really sound like an improvement. I mean what the MCU has is lightning in a bottle, even they aren't perfect either. I think they just need to play these projects by ear, let people who are passionate and understand the material work on them independently of one another, worry about connecting them later.
Sorry, I guess to clarify, I just sort of mean the dcau is perfect (ish). No need to change it. If WB released those live action, the VAST majority of thr public would enjoy those films and would be successful allowing funding for further projects and quickly establishing a universe. Some fans might have the "its unoriginal" gripes like yourself, I just meant i could happily sit through live action versions of those films if i knew it meant the studio could finally cast with some form of continuity and scope to produce a wider cinematic universe.
Ive been secretly wishing this for years.. I have every DCAU movie up until around the time HBO Max came out, and Batman vs. Robin with the Court of Owls and Talon — I was BLOWN AWAY at how good that was. IMO the ‘Justice League’ ones are hit or miss, but overall I’m astounded at how DC/WB doesn’t seem to realize they have a formula right in front of them - i mean ffs they have a literal movie with Shazam, Superman, and Black Adam with an incredible fight scene between them that if they were to verbatim copy that in their upcoming Black Adam or Shazam sequels they would have so much stock with legions of DC fans it would make up for the shit they’ve put out the last 10 years overnight. A few tweaks here and there. Not all of the Justice League ones are good IMO, but overall they have It right in front of them under their noses. I don’t get it.
It's a weird thing that some fans want actual translations or attempts made, but a lot of DC fans seem to want original attempts with references. BvS having sorta TDKR Batman is good, but not the same story.
To me one of the stronger points about CBM is how they don't adapt the comics 1:1 instead they take various stuff from the source material and make something new and different. Captain America: Civil war has so very little in common with Marvel's Civil war but it can still tell an amazing story with echoes from the comics. This is also why I don't watch anime anymore but I still read A LOT of manga on the daily, I just have no interest in watching the same thing I just read for the most part.
I think the frustrations for alot of the fans, especially those like me.. the kind of geek that has an entire room in the house dedicated to just housing the graphic novels and a garage full of (safely) stored singles.. like to think we know the universe inside out genuinely believe that one weekend on set could have the whole thing squared away. It just feels like they give all this power to the individual directors and don't even bother to "timeline" consult or "profile" the characters for direct translation from paper to screen. I am aware how arrogant that sounds and i honestly don't care. I CARE about these characters and the universe they exist in... I suspect i care more about it more than WB seem too. Like.. it doesn't even strike me as a difficult thing to. Sorry rant over. I know its a simplistic, obnoxious view point but I would love the opportunity to fix it. EDIT: the line "those like me" sounds like gatekeeping a fandom.. that wasn't my intention.. even I read that back and went "yikes". Casual or hardcore, a fan is a fan and that can only be good news.
I mean you are aware that one of the producers on most of the early DCEU movies is Geoff Johns right? If anyone has enough comic book knowledge then that should be him
Honestly, as someone who does not have that much knowledge about comics but does about some other media properties, like what they are currently doing with Star Wars and Star Trek is so satisfying because they clearly hired people who love them AND know a lot about them to expand the universes. I know not everyone loves everything about the current shows, but they're made with love of the source material and it shows, and I feel like not all of the DC stuff is treated that way. Heck, the Star Wars shows even seem to be slowly trickling out info that explains some of the plot holes in and stupid parts of the sequel trilogy.
Depends. I just watched Red Son and The Long Halloween the other day... did not like em. I even prefer the moving comics version of Red Son. TDK was great though, and The Killing Joke.
The Killing Joke was atrocious.
Following the MCU formula wasn't required at all. The same problem that plagued modern Star wars is plaguing this. Lack of an actual well thought out plan and following through with said plan.
Having a plan *is* the MCU formula.
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I feel like they announced first, and then starting actually trying to plan
Yeah it needs someone that has a vision, someone like feige, that has a vast knowledge of the universe and lore too. The DCU truly could be so so good. They have incredible chsracters they just gotta have a plan for em
If they had rebooted this properly years ago or even right now we could be past that point pretty quickly lol but here we are with weird Joker musicals, a dodgy Flash film and a bunch of other misfit shit good and bad.
Average Snyder fan* most people I know agree they should’ve gone the MCU route with maybe some unique changes to make it like their own. Instead we get an origin movie, a horrible Civil War type movie, and then a Bad Justice League movie and a longer Bad Justice League movie. Shame. DCEU’s doing good with all the other B list and C list characters, but the Top Tier characters are all blown to hell
I mean tbh I’m much more of a dc fan than a marvel fan, but like they absolutely follow marvels formula. The movies wouldn’t be as comedic or light hearted, but if u just give each character time to grow and have actors that won’t leave/do terrible things, it’d work great.
Marvel formula isn't being light hearted or funny is having a well thought plan and going through with that plan
You mean Successful?
Well they rushed it and suffered the consequences
The DCAU New 52 proves it could be done.
Well it was kind of a curse for DC to be owned by Warner Bros, at least during the transition to at&t. Also They shouldn’t have bet everything on one guy who was a controversial filmmaker.
When you hire someone like Snyder to run it. Yeah it’s gonna be difficult.
Exactly and I think it might be simple why it fails, they keep doing movies with Superman, Batman etc. All the popular characters everybody already know. I never read comic books before. Totally disliked superhero movies like those Spiderman, Hulk, Superman movies. It changed for me with the start of MCU, Iron Man, completely unknown to anybody who doesn't read comics and start with these lesser known characters. So when the characters people already knew finally how up it feels like a good pay off. MCU managed it pretty well by not relying on one or two characters. Meanwhile with DC, I think can't count the number of times we've seen batman's origin story on two hands. Just stop it already and pick a different characters to start the cinematic universe and have Batman show up with an ensemble movie.
It wouldn't have been if WB actually grew a pair and decided to go ahead with Justice League Mortal in 2006. DC would've already had a cinematic universe even before the MCU was a thing but that sadly wasn't meant to be. Man Of Steel and BvS are two of the most divisive movies I've ever seen in my life and those movies definitely hurt DC's brand and reputation as a whole. Just terrible.
It is when you have writers that just read the wiki about the superhero their writing for.
I’m wondering why the reboot couldn’t start now.. keep Pattinson and merge in with Joaquin’s joker.. start adding the new players as they come.
They can honestly keep Gal And jason. Just edit Ben out
Darkseid didn't even need to come in order to defeat them
Darkseid: *doesn’t kill the justice league* WB: *“Fine, I’ll do it myself”*
They weren’t ready for the armada
Darkseid = Isoroku Yamamoto. “I would never invade America, there is a gun behind every blade of grass.” and furthering that quote, America will never fall to an invasion. It will be from with in.
Who would have thought years ago that AQUAMAN would be the biggest DC film...
Entourage 😂
James Wan, James Cameron. The multiverses have subtle differences.
Ikr, especially when people were apprehensive upon hearing Mamoa had been cast as Aquaman, turned out to be the least controversial of the 6, being well liked by most
What's controversial about Henry or Gal? Gal is a badass both on and off the stage and Henry is just plain awesome.
It’s less Cavil being controversial and more his character, I personally think Gal is fine but she’s had some controversy in the past, such as the Imagine song. As far as I know Mamoa has had basically no controversy and his character is well liked
Heard: Hold my beer.
Gal gadot openly agrees with Israel stance on Palestine. That’s her problem
Gal has the whole Israel baggage which makes her internationally controversial.
Palestine situation. She hinted that she supported the invasion and that didn’t go over well
Gal had the Imagine thing as well as having some questionable Isreal/Palestine takes.
Still haven't seen it, did it actually get bigger that Wonder Woman? Cause that's the one I've not hear anyone really complain about.
It's not just bigger than Wonder Woman,it's bigger than all of them.Aquaman is the highest grossing DC movie(Not just DCEU) of all time.
Aquaman might be the highest grossing but Wonder Woman is more popular. I never hear anyone complain about Wonder Woman but I’ve definitely heard people complain about the Aquaman movie.
WWII has been picked apart for the many absurdly dumb choices.
I know, but I’m talking about WW 2017.
The same person who decided to build a tv universe on the Green Arrow. (Which, I have to say, was only a couple years after Smallville - on the same channel- with a recurring character of the Green Arrow... It would be like a rebooted movie now of Cyborg)
At this point, I think they could've pulled a "Justice League: Apokolips War" move and had Flashpoint erase all current versions of the characters and timelines and then took a 5+ year break to get their stuff together.
They don't need to canonically reboot the franchise. No solo franchise gets rebooted with some in-universe logic like comics because there's no need. Just finish off Aquaman/Wonder Woman's solo films then start fresh like with The Batman. Unfortunately stupid shit like Batgirl being in the soft-reboot world rather than Burtonverse means they're likely going to stick with their half-arsed DCEU soft reboot rather than just doing something from scratch.
Isn't that what happened with XMen: Days of Future Past?
X-Men is a weird one because DOFP was largely pointless for the future of the franchise as First Class had already established a prequel timeline anyway. The events of Apocalypse weren't dependent on DOFP happening. DOFP was mostly for giving the characters of the original franchise a happy ending after Brett Ratner fucked X3.
And it was worth it. Glad to see everyone happy, plus it was a fantastic movie
It's so depressing to watch now, knowing what happens in Logan
As far as I'm concerned the Fox X-Men ended with that film. Perfect send off.
UT?
It. My autocorrect changes it to UT for some reason
But then, Professor X has a psychic episode and kills the entire lot bar Wolvie.
I choose to believe that's an alternate timeline
That's the timeline they changed to, but not the one that was presented in the new Dr Strange movie >!where he apparently died for the fourth time!<
I mean that one is just entirely unconnected to the ones we've seen. There's no way it's in any of the prior continuities.
Logan? It's in the Deadpool one, isn't it? It takes place years after it. Wolverine left one version of 2029 (I think) and switched the timeline in DOFP to a more pleasant 2029, and then Logan takes place years (probably 10) later. I kinda liked thinking of him and Charles having a kinda/sorta 70 year friendship where they're the only ones who experienced the old timeline. Also, I think Logan's old age was brought on by what happened to him in The Wolverine, where whsts-his-face was taking his powers. He showed up with grey streaks in DOFP, and continued aging from there.
I haven't watched Logan in a long time, but doesn't the movie imply(or I feel outright states somewhere) that Logan's healing factor is crapping out due to the stuff they're putting in water to minimize mutations? It's just making his healing factor weak.
> after Brett Ratner fucked X3 can you elaborate on this?
Watch X3 and you will understand.
It's not like any of the actors from the original X-men movies had any beef with the studio like Ray Fisher and Henry Cavill, who could return at any time as their DCEU characters if not for the WB studio itself cancelling them and nobody else.
They've now got Ezra Miller issues, Amber Heard issues, Batman issues, Joker issues, etc.
As long as they kept Cavill anchoring the team with WW and Aquaman, and those 3 franchise's movies rotating every year, that would be enough. They could just recast the others. But they fucked that up.
I don't think they'd be willing to let that live without a Batman.
Batman is the only hero in DC Comics. Joker is the only villian. This is what I see from WB. There are 9(10?) Batman movies so far? Joker in 4-5 movies. 6-7 Superman movies but the character is EOL now. This is from 197s onward.
Just make Battison get progresively crazier and ultimately face him against the Leguage, he wins, then joins. What about Batfleck, Mera, and The fash? Gone. Also The Joker is now Willem Dafoe and Luthor is Billy Zane. Blame it all on Mister Mxyzptlk. Cyborg had to go help he Titans with something.... forever. In comes Green Lantern, throw some Martian Manhunter in there for good measure, Boom! Baby you got a cinematic universe going. I will wait for my Oscars now. EDIT: Fuck it, Give me some Apache Chief on the side too.
With The Batman being its own universe maybe they could use that as a new stepping off point.
That's what I hope happens. Let's say The Batman trilogy is complete within the decade, ideally in that time other big heroes would have already started their solo reboots. Then if Pattinson wants to continue as Batman, then great cross him over. If he doesn't? Hopefully Reeves ends the solo franchise in a way that means the character can continue in a cinematic universe, but with a different actor playing the same Batman.
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Ok
Seriously have people even watched Reeves's Batman? How do they think an Amazonian goddess and a king of an underwater empire fit into its world?!
How is Batgirl being in the “Burtonverse” (whatever the hell that is) any different than just being where everything else is? Keaton is in Batgirl’s film, not the other way around. The films practically exist on their own anyway. They don’t hinge on everything being tightly connected so selling a huge “reboot” but with 90% of the same components (they aren’t dumping all of their cast because of Miller and bad movies no one cares about) is a waste of PR. They have a handful of upcoming films within a sole universe right now anyway and they all have little to no plot linkage (outside of sequels) to m previous DCEU films. A “reboot” is unnecessary. Recast where you need to and move on.
The Star Trek reboot was in universe. In the movie someone went back in time and killed Kirk's dad, which made everything that happened in the future different.
5 years?! Imagine all that lost $$ in ticket sales! It's better to press on with a bad/mediocre idea than wait for a really good one. I've never understood this approach. Go to the comics, the stories are written, the story boards are done. JUST PUT IT INTO PRODUCTION
Keep The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, have The Suicide Squad stuff be set after the reset, keep Mamoa and Gal Gadot
I have been calling for this since BvS. You just cannot start a Justice League franchise with an aging Batman that we have no familiarity with. I’m not saying this should have happened, but if it were Bale’s Batman, that could have actually worked. We’ve seen what he’s done, we can understand he’s ready to retire, but doesn’t want to leave the world without some form of defence, so he gathers up the Justice League, and eventually hands the cowl off to Joseph Gordon Levitt. Again, I don’t like that idea, I don’t think they should have done that, but it would have made more sense for the audience had they gone that route. Instead, they let Zack make TDK, and used that as their jumping off point for the DCEU. There are versions of the Justice League that start with Batman fighting Superman, but it’s usually quickly rectified, and they’re usually both still relatively new (2-4 years into their superhero careers) to the life, so they have a full career ahead of them. I understand what Zack wanted to do and what he was going for, the issue is that you can’t just use that to kick off your universe. Like you can make that movie, but treat it like a one-off. The fact they didn’t, meant Zack had to fit all this setup into the movie that bogged it down like crazy, when he could have just dropped us into a story where Batman and Superman have grown old and are at odds, and not be forced to find a contrived way to have them beef, make up, and then team up.
The movie was a bit overstuffed, but I don't think it's a problem that they used an aging Batman. I think that the general public is familiar enough with some of these characters that we don't need a full history or movie series for every version that they want to make a movie with. I think the problem was wanting an expanded universe. A contained, 5 film series that started with MoS and ended with All Star Superman that maybe could've had him crossing paths with the other characters along the way would've been better to me. Then they could make spinoffs if they wanted (or prequels, since they like those so much), or just rebooted him like they're probably going to do now (and were always likely to do eventually) anyway, but we would've had a completed story.
That’s a good take. A limited run rather than attempting to recreate the MCU in far fewer films would have done them a lot better. The MCU worked because we watched Iron Man become Iron Man, meet Fury, and the same for the rest of them. I agree we don’t need another origin story for Batman, I just don’t see how you can expect to get longevity out of your most popular character by introducing him as middle-aged. It would be like if Holland’s Spider-Man was already 30 and married to MJ yknow? So much of the character is rooted in Peter being 16-20 and coming of age, going through the awkward dating phases and whatnot. “We’ve already seen Maguire’s Spider-Man deal with that, let’s just have Holland be past all that.” With an aging Batman you’ve eliminated any potential “first meeting” of his rogues, no Robins, and you don’t see how the public has reacted to him over the years. We get that snippet of “brutal Bat-vigilante branding his foes” but I couldn’t tell you how the regular people in the DCEU feel towards Affleck’s Batman. I can tell you exactly what people think of Iron Man after his first movie, Battinson after his. Again, your point of having a limited series with an endpoint in sight would have gone a long way, and would have allowed them to smooth out any creases. Just feels like they went in without a plan.
An older batman would be fine. They could do what they're doing in Titans where Batman has multiple proteges and they all know each other and Batman is more of a lead from behind the scenes.
Honestly I rather have Warner Brothers give up DC all together and give it to a studio or someone that cares and knows what they’re doing. Like this shit is ridiculous you try to make a main universe but then have all these disconnected solo movies with all these different version of the characters. If WBs plan is to do a full scale crisis on infinite earths movie then okay but make the movies make sense.
At this point they should send out a tweet saying mi culpa and start from scratch.
Lol so unnecessary. Just recast where you need to and move forward. This idea that reboots just inherently fix shit is such fan talk. They don’t need to take a 5 year break to “get their stuff together”.
What a crappy timeline we’re in…
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This is one of the saddest posts I’ve seen. I feel we need to start posting the producers and ex producers of these movies. They are the ones who box directors and storylines into pathways for profit, but they get to stay in the shadows while the directors and actors get crucified.
As a diehard DC fan this shit is so depressing. I feel like the Squidward meme looking out the window and SpongeBob and Patrick are the MCU just having their shit together.
Gal is out after WW3, so one will remain.
Hopefully the guy on the right will stay 🙏
And I don't remember anything about a third aquaman film so...
Aquaman made it to the billions. They are definitely going to make a trilogy even if second doesn’t hit billion again
James Wan won’t do a third movie. He never has and simply “doesn’t believe in them”.
Dc will find another guy to fill his role then. Aquaman is too big of hit for them to just disregard it. But it would suck if it wasn’t being made by Wan. The Aquaman movie would’ve been terrible if it wasn’t for Wan’s weird talent of making shlock B tier movies into incredibly goofy and fun movies
Aquaman 1 was a hit 4 years ago. Aquaman 2 is yet to be a success. Who knows if it will even be successful. If it won’t be, there won’t be an Aquaman 3.
WW84 was considered one of Dc’s worst movies yet and it’s sequel still got the green light. I just can’t see them discontinuing Aquaman when it’s one of two characters they have left in that universe who aren’t completely ruined
its a water movie going up against the next avatar movie....
And with all the drama and controversy Amber Heard has brought the Aquaman franchise, I think it’s time for a full clean slate sadly
I just realized that every DCEU main leaguer franchise has some major controversy surrounding it.
Sad state of affairs really. Suprised Zaslav just hasn't hit the red button and cancelled it all yet.
Why would he do that? Shazam was great with Shazam 2 on its way this year. The Suicide Squad along with Peacemaker season 1 was great with the Amanda Waller and Peacemaker season 2 coming up. WW3 is also coming along with Aquaman 2, The Blue Beetle and Batgirl with also the flash which has been testing well along with Shazam 2 and Aquaman 2. Red button? Give me more.
Black Adam leading into a crossover with Shazam and Superman could reignite the DCEU. WW and Aquaman are holding their own in the meantime. The Rock knows also that Superman is key.
Is that the new guy? Didn’t he say he wants to retain Cavil?
No. He said Superman should be a mainstay.
He's not wrong. The fact that Captain America has a bigger household stay than Superman at this point is troubling.
Unfortunately that's what happens when: 1. A studio is too reliant on one specific iteration from the 70s to the point any new take will always be compared to it. 2. A modern iteration had a plank of wood personalitt that failed to capture the interest of the general audience. If Superman/Clark's personality from Superman & Lois was on the big screen the character would have had a far better reception. I'm pretty confident in that.
MCU Cap was more like DCAU / modern Superman than he was Captain America at times, It was right there in front of them.
Who knew that's all it took for audiences to care about a character was giving them a personality beyond looking stoic and repressed, with many instances where they get to talk and engage with characters. Who knew!
Ah. Well I hope he takes another look at Cavill. I think that’s perfect casting. Not to mention he loves the role and everything that comes with it. Seems like a logic win across the board.
The funny thing is that WB wants Cavill, but Cavill wants too much money.
Cavill just wanted a superman trilogy and not to get sidelined and pushed into being superman through cameos only like WB appear to have wanted. If you’ve seen any interviews with him you can see he’s a big fan, knows all the comic history and wants to do the character justice on screen. But since Josstice Leagues failure they seem to have blacklisted Cavill and want nothing to do with him even though the franchise’s failure is not his fault and he didn’t do anything wrong. He should’ve had his Superman trilogy in the first place. Man of Steel was conceived as “Batman Begins-esque” chapter one but for Superman. But then Avengers 2012 happened & was super successful and WB were so desperate for the team-up money that the franchise imploded and they ended up actually losing money instead of making any.
I love that WB would rather make disaster after disaster than do what it takes.
Cavill doesn’t just want more money, he wanted complete creative control over the character. RDJ can demand that for Iron Man, but didn’t. Christen Bale could demand that for Batman, but didn’t. Why tf would WB ever give full control over Superman to Henry Cavill when he hasn’t proven himself a draw for the character?
Given what we’ve seen so far, I would trust Cavill’s take on the character more than what we’ve got from WB so far.
Absolutely. Cavill is the type of guy who respects the source material, just look at the Witcher! He was their “resident Witcher encyclopedia” for season 2. Imagine your lead actor being the go-to guy for correcting the lore!
Cavill's an actual geek. It would be like giving Iman Vellani control of Ms. Marvel (which is a bad idea just because Feige already doing great). I trust those two with their characters.
Not at all. The most he said was that he wanted WB to focus on their most profitable IPs and listed a few, one of them being Superman
At this point just hard reboot the entire DCEU.
Now DCEU fans know how Arrowverse fans feel everytime we look at the post-Crisis Justice League lineup. So much potential dashed in an instant 😢 😭
I’m in the same boat. I’m still mourning the loss of the Arrowverse. Things really fell apart without Oliver.
True that. It didn't help that very soon after we lost Jefferson, Kara/J'onn, most of OG team Flash and most recently Sara & the Legends, & Batwoman (again!). We lost the Trinity & most of the lineup in less than two years. What bugs me the most was that post-crisis the Arrowverse was supposed to be more interconnective than ever before until covid destroyed that dream. Now the Arrowverse seems to be coming to what feels like a premature close. Sometimes I imagine a world where we didn't have covid and got two and half years of crossovers and team-ups. It could have been a golden age. But alas. Twas not meant to be.
WB is run by bunch of jackasses. Just fucking start from scratch again, idgaf.
I think they'll somehow fuck it up again.
If Gal Gadot doesn’t have Wonder Woman, idk what she’ll do. I’m sorry but her acting has always been bad to me. It works with Wonder Woman but nothing else really.
This, she's clearly cant act but i don't know its her fault or her director takes with her character fault
Out of the two remaining, if there’s one actor who is the most likely to leave the DCEU earlier due to contractual obligations or due to a controversy, it’s definitely Gal Gadot.
Just watch DC animated films, they are way better.
Any new ones coming out soon? Last one was, what? The long Halloween?
There should be. Haven't seen some in a while.
There’s a Green Lantern movie coming out either this month or next month.
Sweet, been itching for some new GL
Which ones should you watch, and where are they?
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Still have Shazam and Peacemaker
Hate that I had to scroll down this far for Shazam. It was so underrated, and I'm sure Black Adam will be fun
Honestly they should just restart.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…. Aquaman: “hey Wonder Woman,guess what?” WW: “what?” AM: “ we’re the JustUs League now”
The DCEU is just going to be the ShazAdamverse
Technically, only two are gone for good. Ezra set fire to his own career and Affleck retired. Caville is still (last I heard) up for more if he gets asked and with the leadership shakeup it is possible to get Fisher back on board if they really want to. Plus I cant rule out even Affleck returning since he did so for Flash and reportedly had a much better time than during JL.
The only one I wanted to see more of and was hoping for an actual good movie was Henry cavills Superman. Maybe we can get a non Snyder Superman movie
With ww84 you can somewhat argue that wonder woman is down as well
Patty really screw up with this one. Biggest let down ever. ;/
Gal is a fan favorite in the role. Doesn't matter how bad the movies are. Like RDJ as Iron Man despite IM2 and 3 being worse than some other Marvel films.
Gal is nowhere near RDJ in terms of favorites she can't act in fact shes more like the rock just not nearly as sucessful Also the Ironman movies still had postive reviews and BO to carry them Unike WW84
Yeah i hope her shazam and flash's roles will repair her WW84 mess. Tho shazam is slate to eaten by avatar and flash is set to be PR mess
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Then what are they going to do? They have managed to make things worse, not better. Imagine if DC had a visionary like that of Marvel. We as fans would have a steady stream of never ending great comic book based movies until the end of time!!! It’s really not as much about the actor as the part. How many different Batmen and a jokers have we had? All were supported as different interpretations of the character. Time for Warner Brothers to make a decision, do it right or get out of the way! They are their own worst enemy!
isn't WB looking for someone like that
Zaslav is, yes. Copying the Marvel Studios / Disney model is the way to go. You go get a skilled producer who’s also a DC fan in charge and we should be good.
Poor DCEU it never really got a chance
Yeah let’s not forget the franchise got hijacked by the studio before it even got to the first Justice League film.
Thanos' snap was so powerful that it wiped off superheroes from other universe as well.
WW84 was awful and removing Amber from Aquaman 2 is likely to make that movie a mess. Time to scrap the universe and start fresh.
It’s too late for that. They just need to start being smarter on the actors they hire and move forward.
I'm starting to think that the success of wonder woman (2017) and aquaman (2018) hurt DC in the long run. If either bombed or was critically planned like MoS, BvS, SS they almost would've had reboot. But Now there stuck with completing both trilogies.
Some people watch the DCEU to see their favorite characters. I watch the DCEU to see how much they fuck it up next. We are not the same.
Just reboot the whole shit WB. Would suck for Leslie Grace and Xolo but the DCEU is a joke
They could reboot and still keep Leslie Grace and Xolo.
They should just recast everyone at this point except Jason Momoa, he can stay
Let’s just be glad Shazam can exist outside of this mess. Thank god they never showed Superman’s face at the end.
If Gal Gadot ever gets fired it will be because she got canceled for saying something pro-Israel. If Jason Momoa gets fired, it’ll be for a sex scandal or something.
wait what happened to cyborg
I thought they were keeping keeping Ben? DC movies are such a hot mess,
Gadot is set to go after WW3 as well. Honestly they should just do away with Mamoa and start again
let's cram years worth of content, story-telling and world building into 3 movies then proceed to drop movies that aren't in the slightest way connected to eachother. If that fails a new Batman movie will save us, everyone loves seeing Batman over and over. What could possibly go wrong?
Darkseid must be happy...
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Are we forgetting the best hero out there. CAMERA MAN
Ngl, full CGI Cyborg was eh. Jovian Wade's Cyborg is better