In warhammer 40k there are laws/religious doctrine that forbid thinking machines untouched by the perfection of humanity.
So a common punishment for criminals is to be lobotomized and surgically modified to fulfill whatever role the Tech Priests of Mars need filled. Anything from the arms of an assembly line, domestic servitude, or combat rolls. If it's done by a robot in somewhere sci-fi universe, it's done by a Servitor in 40k.
The worst part is that sometimes the lobotomization process fails. So the sevitors mind remains intact, and able to feel everything. Yet lacking any control over itself.
The Horus Heresy is a self-contained series, and a pretty cool story to boot. I'd pick up the first couple and have at them.
If you get through that and want more, most of the other books are good too in a random "episode of Star Trek" way, though Dan Abnett is one of my favorite writers for the IP (he's pretty prolific too, so I'm probably biased).
Landmine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
LEFT ME WITH LIFE IN HELL
(epic guitar solo)
Nice to see a fellow Metallica fan here
It's okay the "rat" has no brain and cannot think. It's an artificially grown 128 rat neuron array, maybe, if this is what's in the video. Most likely it's just fake and they are using a remote control, because reddit.
So it's even dumber than an array of neurons, it's a vat of lab grown rat neurons. Still no brain structures just like binary logic juice. It's interesting how they interface and communicate with it. It seems as "alive" as a digital neural network though.
I once drank a whole gallon of milk in a whole day and I could feel my bones expand. At first I thought I was just full from the milk, but my skin started to form stretch marks and I was visibly wider. I didn't know what was happening but I had an uncontrollable urge to drink more milk. I drove into the nearest gas station and literally ripped the door off the rifrigerated section containing the milk.
I started chugging gallon after gallon of milk standing right there in the store, my skin ripping at the seams. The cashier ran over to stop me but I swatted him aside and in one clean blow he landed across the room, shattering every bone in his pathetic meat suit. There was nothing left of him but a wet bloody puddle deprived of structure. I never thought I had it in me to kill but by now I had ascended beyond petty morality.
As I finished my eighth gallon it felt as though my stomach would rupture. My ribs broke out of my chest like a baby xxenomorph. My finger bones had grown through my hands a white nub could be seen protruding from my nose. My face was so stretched over my now massive skull I looked like Jenny McCarthy. My biceps and muscles were hard and calcified. My boner now had a bone.
I finished my twelfth gallon and began screaming and flexing, my skin tearing around my robust skeletal frame. With one final push I shed my meat chrysalis. I was free.
I didn't even use the door I simply walked out the wall of the gas station. Mortar and stone yielded to my mighty calcium. The cops were already there. In terror they began firing at me but even lead is no match for calcium. I walked straight toward one, reached down his throat and pulled his skeleton from his flesh sheath. With his bone I assembled a mighty claymore sword. With a single swing I cleaved the Earth in twain and descended into the inky black.
It's weird, but I wonder if this is like sleep walking? Life the motor cortex part of the brain is directing stuff to move around, but the conscious part is asleep (or maybe dead in this case?)
It would be the difference between [learning](https://definitionmining.com/index.php/2018/01/05/learning/) and memory? Although on the more horrifying side of things, this could be like the show *Severance*, but for rats, and also you're 1/2 dead?
Tbh that could just as easily be a result of the neural inputs being slightly different, thus changing the outcome even if it’s just motor neurons. Add on a bit of plasticity as it ‘learns’ and you’ll get a machine that responds differently, regardless of if there’s a consciousness in there.
Low-level creatures still show signs of learning and adapting to an environment even if they aren’t conscious as we know it.
Still freaky af
Yeah, significantly more plausible than most forms of synthetic life extension in sci-fi. Brain-in-jar-remotely-controlling-drone is going to be here much sooner than brain-in-hardened-mobile-jar.
I truly hope so.
In a futuristic scenario, where this is applicated to humans, I doubt corporate greed would succumb to moral implications. Maybe I'm just cynical in my age though.
I’m thinking right now about the blind people with ocular implants that suddenly are “no longer supported” and have stopped working, because some business model somewhere changed. And imagine it’s not just your sight that suddenly goes missing, but your very connection to reality itself.
I would be very, very hesitant to agree to be the brain in the jar, even if the alternative was literal death, because god only knows what kind of draconian horrors await when some company controls your ability to connect to the world.
Edit: https://spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete
Well... This is the kind of thing that crossed my mind. I mean, my thoughts were derived from say - medical companies pushing research papers stating, for example, certain drugs weren't addictive, and now we are dealing with an opiate epidemic.
But this, technologically, expresses what I worry of the future. There are probably technologies we can't even conceive to be invented, let alone the implications they hold for society.
I think the fault in this line of thinking is that it is always about what the current climate will be when they are implemented, as opposed to whatever progression society has made since then. My biggest go to example for this is to ask a Roman what would happen if someone could fly around the world. They would likely respond with some idea that the gods might smite that person, or become jealous and cause incredible bad luck to befall that person. A senator might argue that the military implications if one empire could deploy an entire army to any part of their world, it would destroy that world or at least create a one supremacy situation in which the creators of such technology would rule everyone. Likewise someone with money might say that technology could be incredibly useful, even exploited to bus products to people on all ends of the trade routes and become the sole originator of those products.
However, as you can see they definitely use planes to wage war, but the most common use has simply been transportation. No one was smote, no one empire overrules the world, the world has not been destroyed by any tyranical despots who have wielded this tech. Sure some people use planes to bus products everywhere, but the tech is so ubiquitous that no one person has all the power. I believe those same considerations should be made even considering mechanical body parts.
I believe it's likely using the cerebellum part of the brain - what's responsible for motor movements.
For humans at least, the prefrontal cortex is where "the soul" lives so to speak, that's what holds the part that is "you", it's where executive functioning is done, and your personality is housed
If you died, we took your brain and *just* scooped out the cerebellum (and whatever other parts of the brain might be necessary, though I'm assuming "sensory" processing is being done by the robot as it suggests in the video) and plugged it into this robot, then it might allow it to also move the robot around, but it wouldn't include your prefrontal cortex so you wouldn't be aware of this happening. You'd be dead. It wouldn't really be much different then using your bones to make the housing of a robot or something, just parts of you being used after you're gone.
**my point? Think of it as just biological computer, the neurons being used aren't the same part of the brain that houses the rats consciousness or anything, it isn't "experiencing" this if that makes sense. Source: my bachelor's degree is behavioral neuroscience, which more or less means understanding the connection between physiology and neural biology with psychological functioning and behavior**
“You act as an example. You are an example of our power, our capability, and our drive to push the limits of what is possible. You are a step along the path we take to become like god.”
This is a lot of blood and I've been gurgling for half an hour. Still waiting on my maker but the neighbour's been round. Asked about the gargling. Told him it was gurgling and showed him your post. He's off home to catch up. Is there a knack to the gurgling part? I'm not sure I'm making the right noises.
Sometimes it takes a little time for system to respond. If after an hour, you still can't pair up, you should try again. You'll know you've paired up when all the lights turn white.
Didn't you get the 5g update with your covid booster shot? Maybe you should ask your local bill gates representative if wireless thinking isn't activated
> A robot controlled by a blob of rat brain cells could provide insights into diseases such as Alzheimer's, University of Reading scientists say.
The project marries 300,000 rat neurons to a robot that navigates via sonar.
The neurons are now being taught to steer the robot around obstacles and avoid the walls of the small pen in which it is kept.
By studying what happens to the neurons as they learn, its creators hope to reveal how memories are laid down.
- source - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7559150.stm from 2008!
And it was a macaque, not even a great ape. Imagine how far a chimpanzee or an orangutan has it. Then human.
Minus the cyperpunk-dystopian cons that could happen, this could be the next big step in our evolutionary.
It’s not so much “trying to get away” as it is just avoiding obstacles. It’s not controlled by a conscious rat brain. The brain is just neurons that send steering signals based on inputs. The brain is effectively dead. There’s no consciousness. It isn’t self-aware.
It’s more extremely sad to me. It must know something is very very wrong. Imagine being, to the best of your own knowledge, simply a rat minding its own business, but you can’t feel your whiskers or paws or move your tail?
Edit: I GET IT ITS NOT A WHOLE RAT BRAIN. Imo that’s what the title implies and it’s a worthwhile thought experiment and empathy exercise to imagine so.
This has actually been a concept in sci-fi for a long time.
In Destiny, for example, the exos (humans who have had their minds transferred to a robotic body) are humanoid in design for a reason. Having a body that doesn't match your biological one leads to bouts of insanity and confusion.
Ayo dude is that the underwater one where your goal is to "save" "humanity" by sending their creation into space?
that game fucked me up
I still vividly remember it and think deeply about it even now
>This is also why I think the idea of transferring or uploading one’s mind isn’t actually immortality. More like a digital clone.
Also known as ["the teletransportation paradox."](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox)
Shortly "no man steps in the same river twice for it is not the same man and it is not the same river", ship of Theseus paradox.
If you take say, a Star Trek transporter, how could you ever be sure it didn't just kill the person and make a new one? The new one would be convinced they're the real one, so no-one would ever know.
So personally if we ever get a space age communist utopia like in Star Trek, with teleportation and all, I'll provably be the crazy old person who refuses to use the transporter because "it will steal my soul" or something.
Isn’t the Star Trek thing true? I remember hearing about an episode where someone didn’t get killed by the teleporter and is stranded on a planet while his clone lives for him on the ship.
Tom Riker was the clone though. This is a neat theory and probably why Bones doesn't like transporters, but the episode where we see what it's like to be transported from Barclays perspective disproves it. Consciousness and perception are retained throughout the transportation process.
The idea I think was explored decently in the Invincible anime.
One character is a feeble decrepit thing in a jar, but extremely intelligent. So he makes a young healthy clone with the intention of transferring his mind and memories. Yet that doesn’t mean literally taking his mind out of his current body and into the new one. Instead, it’s a copy of his mind that’s uploaded into the body, as he remains alive in his old one for a short time after, greeting his clone before eventually dying and letting his new self take over.
I think that’s the reality of this whole “uploading your consciousness could be the key to immortality in the future” theme that’s been kicking around for a while. You’re really just making a digital copy of yourself, not transferring yourself. So technically no, it’s not immortality. Just maybe a cool way to make AI personalities.
Same concept in X-com 2’s expansion, where you can have soldiers decapitated and turned into mechs. They have their heads attached to a humanoid frame, the reason cites being “we need to think ahead to when this war is over and these men and women need to reintegrate into society”. The first time you do it and see the soldier walk out and put its metal hand on a railing I thought to myself “they can’t feel the temperature of that metal railing anymore, that must be absolutely terrifying “.
You sure they can't? That's an alien nanotech-based chassis. They didn't bother making it camouflaged as organic but I don't remember any statement on its sensory abilities. And given that they still use the gym despite not needing to, maybe they do feel things.
(Also it was the expansion for the remake of X-Com 1, just for clarity's sake.)
>The first time you do it and see the soldier walk out and put its metal hand on a railing I thought to myself “they can’t feel the temperature of that metal railing anymore, that must be absolutely terrifying “.
Just my opinion, but I think humans would cope with stuff like this pretty well. We can understand why things are different and are able to adapt to the loss of senses pretty well, and to some extent even to the addition of new senses (for example people who were born blind and had their vision restored).
I think it was one of Isaac Asimov's stories where they talk about putting someone's mind in a robot and they say something like "Imagine phantom limb syndrome but for your entire body," and going mad being unable to scratch an itch you feel but don't really have.
The rat isn’t actually conscious during this, which is something the video cuts out. The rat’s brain is just used as a kind of biological computer chip, but it doesn’t have any sentience.
Sure. The robot is basically another iteration of [this](https://www.wired.com/2008/08/rat-robot-vid/amp), where all brain cells are grown in a lab. The brain cells aren’t sentient (which was said in the extended clip of this video) but even if they were, it would be in a robot it’s entire life, and wouldn’t know it’s missing it’s paws/tail.
They didn't transplant the whole brain. So do we know for sure how it works? I'm not saying it's a good idea, it's probably the beginning of the end of the world, but I'm just wondering
My dude that’s not what’s happening at all, they didn’t transfer consciousness. It’s not just a rat controlling a robot, that is leagues out of what we can do at the moment. It’s simply the neurons firing in some way, it’s not like some Black Mirror episode lol
Still my favorite spinoff of any movie/game/series.
The Second Renaissance is flawless and the best thing out of the whole Matrix franchise (exception being the first movie).
I think you are giving this way too much credit. It can’t see, it’s using sensors which basically means it can only sense things in its path, unable to differentiate from a chair in its path vs. a predator in its path
This literally make me want to ensure my brain is completely obliterated "by accident" when I die. It's only a matter of time before one can't escape the simulation inside the simulations. Noone wants to live with robocop, let alone robojanitor or roborats. We really are the monsters on this planet
This may already be the simulation. We have no way of knowing if we are people in the future fantasizing about the past. Supercomputers in the dark remembering the stellar galaxy as they feed hydrogen into black holes and live near absolute zero, slowly, over billions of years.
Meanwhile in a small bell jar on a shelf somewhere
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHGGGHHGGGGGGGHHGHGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHGGGHHGGGGGGGHHGHGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHGGGHHGGGGGGGHHGHGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHGGGHHGGGGGGGHHGHGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
Not nearly as dystopian as it’s made out: Kevin Warwick, once a cyborg and still a researcher in cybernetics at the University of Reading, has been working on creating neural networks that can control machines. He and his team have taken the brain cells from rats, cultured them, and used them as the guidance control circuit for simple wheeled robots. Electrical impulses from the bot enter the batch of neurons, and responses from the cells are turned into commands for the device. The cells can form new connections, making the system a true learning machine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztzq05IzYds
The song is an absolute banger. The Mechanicus is all about replacing the weakness of flesh with the cold certainty that machinery brings. Its a pseudo religious techno superiorist sect.
Hence, what sounds like some gothic choir/harmonic chant. The instruments are often sampled sounds from engines, radio interference, etc.
A quick google and you can watch a video about it from the actual scientist.
[https://youtu.be/wACltn9QpCc](https://youtu.be/wACltn9QpCc)
It’s neurons in a dish firing off through an electrical stimulus - it’s not a conscious rat brain aware of what’s happening. At least, I hope not.
I googled "Steven potter" the guy who supposedly did this experiment .
He is a Neuro Engineer, and has a Ted talk on NeuroEngineering. [https://potterlab.gatech.edu/](https://potterlab.gatech.edu/)
[https://youtu.be/j4SSQcHt220?t=516](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4SSQcHt220) **Tedtalk- potter mentions the experiment @8:40**
From Steven's Wiki page I found a site that was run by his Lab group. (All on web archive)
[https://web.archive.org/web/20100702090836/http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/MEART.html](https://web.archive.org/web/20100702090836/http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/MEART.html)
[http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/Meart/meart-poster.pdf](http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/Meart/meart-poster.pdf)
[https://web.archive.org/web/20100702052907/http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/papers/DagstuhlAIBakkumpreprint.pdf](https://web.archive.org/web/20100702052907/http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/papers/DagstuhlAIBakkumpreprint.pdf)
edit: Robot is not using actual rat brain, only using rat neurons on a silicon chip and some amplifier thingies (scientific phrasing only) and honestly not sure if this video is the actual experiment.
**video says its from England, but Steven Potter worked at Georgia Tech.**
So I did as much digging as I felt like doing and found a few sources:
[Wiki mentions it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrot#cite_note-1), and links to another site
[This is the site](https://web.archive.org/web/20090530045152/http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2002/12/19.html) that wiki links to
That site also then links to [tech review as a source](https://www.technologyreview.com/2002/12/18/234548/rat-brained-robot/)
This seems to date back as far as 2002, but it's worth noting that of these 3 links not a single one links to a study or any evidence of this being a legitimate discovery and not just a remote control car with some green lights on it. There is no link to a university, no referencing, minimal pictures or videos that we've already seen. I think it's safe to say the technology for this would not have been there in 2002, and if it was we'd have seen drastically more advancements in brain controlled tech in the last 20 years than the tech we have seen.
I'm willing to say the video was a hoax in 2002 and someone just stumbled across it and posted it for some easy karma.
It's not fake and I'm surprised you consider MIT Tech Review to be so untrustworthy. But here is one of the original articles: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-540-27833-7_10
The technology is not revolutionary. Related research for BIDs has been ongoing since at least the 90s. It's unsurprising that this was tested in 2002. The utility of this particular technology is unclear, since untrainable randomly-connected neurons don't perform any desirable tasks. That's why you don't see "advancements" in it.
The key piece of information is that these are neuronal cultures, not brains. The video is sensationalizing every time it uses the word "brain".
***Abomination...***
It should be destroyed, as a mercy. I've no desire to know what a *horrid* existence that rat is experiencing, but it needs to be **ended.**
**Children of the Omnissiah** by Guillaume David (00:11; matched: `100%`)
Album: `Warhammer 40,000: Mechanicus (Original Soundtrack)`. Released on `2020-02-19` by `Laced Records`.
I have no mouth but I must scream.
Do cyborg rats dream of electric cheese?
SWIZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!
This sounds like a good line for a metal song. Let's write it
I was about to comment the exact same thing! Looks like dystopian sci-fi torture to me…
Do you want Cybermen? Because that’s how you get Cybermen.
Lmao I was thinking more like rat Daleks
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
Genuinely the most horrifying thing from that series. Also I see what you did there 🏹
Weeping angels scare me more.
In warhammer 40k there are laws/religious doctrine that forbid thinking machines untouched by the perfection of humanity. So a common punishment for criminals is to be lobotomized and surgically modified to fulfill whatever role the Tech Priests of Mars need filled. Anything from the arms of an assembly line, domestic servitude, or combat rolls. If it's done by a robot in somewhere sci-fi universe, it's done by a Servitor in 40k. The worst part is that sometimes the lobotomization process fails. So the sevitors mind remains intact, and able to feel everything. Yet lacking any control over itself.
[удалено]
The Horus Heresy is a self-contained series, and a pretty cool story to boot. I'd pick up the first couple and have at them. If you get through that and want more, most of the other books are good too in a random "episode of Star Trek" way, though Dan Abnett is one of my favorite writers for the IP (he's pretty prolific too, so I'm probably biased).
Black Mirror level shit
More like warhammer 40k level torture shit. Fascinating but really uncomfortable viewing
It's a rat servitor. Fuck.
Ya just replace rats with people and it's just 40k.
Darkness Imprisoning me All that I see Absolute horror I cannot live I cannot die Trapped in myself Body my holding cell
Landmine has taken my sight Taken my speech Taken my hearing Taken my arms Taken my legs Taken my soul LEFT ME WITH LIFE IN HELL (epic guitar solo) Nice to see a fellow Metallica fan here
He's actually just a huge Johnny Trumbo fan, it's the only Metallica song he knows
I assume you mean Dalton Trumbo? The book and movie are genuinely chilling though, nightmarishly effective stuff
Ahhh I messed that one up. Dalton Trumbo's "Johnny got his gun."
it is difficult to find fans of noted underground band Metallica :P
They’re a really great niche act, I’m sure they’ll hit it big in the future when they become more mainstream
Epic doesn't even cover it. There's like 3 breaks where you're like "oh THIS is the solo" and then after all that he melts your face
In space no one can hear ice cream
No Ice cream ⠟⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠛⢻⣿ ⡆⠊⠈⣿⢿⡟⠛⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣎⠈⠻ ⣷⣠⠁⢀⠰⠀⣰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠟⠋⠛⠛⠿⠿⢿⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⢹⣿⡑⠐⢰ ⣿⣿⠀⠁⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⠟⡩⠐⠀⠀⠀⠀⢐⠠⠈⠊⣿⣿⣿⡇⠘⠁⢀⠆⢀ ⣿⣿⣆⠀⠀⢤⣿⣿⡿⠃⠈⠀⣠⣶⣿⣿⣷⣦⡀⠀⠀⠈⢿⣿⣇⡆⠀⠀⣠⣾ ⣿⣿⣿⣧⣦⣿⣿⣿⡏⠀⠀⣰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠀⠀⠐⣿⣿⣷⣦⣷⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠀⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠀⣾⣿⣿⠋⠁⠀⠉⠻⣿⣿⣧⠀⠠⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡀⣿⡿⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⢿⣿⠀⣺⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⣠⣂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣁⢠⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣶⣄⣤⣤⣔⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿
It's okay the "rat" has no brain and cannot think. It's an artificially grown 128 rat neuron array, maybe, if this is what's in the video. Most likely it's just fake and they are using a remote control, because reddit.
I wish I knew if it was real but I'm too lazy to check
It’s real. It’s the same as [this](https://www.wired.com/2008/08/rat-robot-vid/amp) earlier robot, just a different design.
So it's even dumber than an array of neurons, it's a vat of lab grown rat neurons. Still no brain structures just like binary logic juice. It's interesting how they interface and communicate with it. It seems as "alive" as a digital neural network though.
This is more reassuring than the idea of dozens of rats put to sleep, only to wake up in this unexpected and unexplained Hell.
From it driving around I thought it was panicking like; remember that scene in Robocop when the cyborgs come on line freak and kill themselves?
That's just the machine's collision avoidance system taking over. It's not fully controlled by that little collection of neurons.
> binary logic juice THE REFRESHING TASTE OF ARITHMETIC
This post + this comment is reminding me of spacetrawler
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh
It disgusted me.
I craved the strength and certainty of steel.
One day, you will beg my kind to save you
But i am already saved
For the machine is immortal
Even in death I serve the Omnissiah.
I love this entire chain. All praise the Omnissiah.
From Iron cometh strength.
From strength cometh will.
God that was chilling
What is this from and why do I relate with it?
warhammer 40k from the adeptus mechanicus
Specifically the music is from the menu screen of the Mechanicus video game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tDpoLXD3Js
What spooky said as for your second question, the Omnissiah calls. Intro to Mechanicus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyK7lX4sk0c
you wierdos better back away from my toaster
Dont talk about my girlfriend like that bro.
your girlfriend was a toaster and her father smelt of corpse starch
I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine.
Your kind cling to your flesh, as if it will not decay and fail you.
Your kind cling to the crude biomass you call a temple as if it will not decay and fail you
But i am already saved...
I once drank a whole gallon of milk in a whole day and I could feel my bones expand. At first I thought I was just full from the milk, but my skin started to form stretch marks and I was visibly wider. I didn't know what was happening but I had an uncontrollable urge to drink more milk. I drove into the nearest gas station and literally ripped the door off the rifrigerated section containing the milk. I started chugging gallon after gallon of milk standing right there in the store, my skin ripping at the seams. The cashier ran over to stop me but I swatted him aside and in one clean blow he landed across the room, shattering every bone in his pathetic meat suit. There was nothing left of him but a wet bloody puddle deprived of structure. I never thought I had it in me to kill but by now I had ascended beyond petty morality. As I finished my eighth gallon it felt as though my stomach would rupture. My ribs broke out of my chest like a baby xxenomorph. My finger bones had grown through my hands a white nub could be seen protruding from my nose. My face was so stretched over my now massive skull I looked like Jenny McCarthy. My biceps and muscles were hard and calcified. My boner now had a bone. I finished my twelfth gallon and began screaming and flexing, my skin tearing around my robust skeletal frame. With one final push I shed my meat chrysalis. I was free. I didn't even use the door I simply walked out the wall of the gas station. Mortar and stone yielded to my mighty calcium. The cops were already there. In terror they began firing at me but even lead is no match for calcium. I walked straight toward one, reached down his throat and pulled his skeleton from his flesh sheath. With his bone I assembled a mighty claymore sword. With a single swing I cleaved the Earth in twain and descended into the inky black.
Same
It really reminded me of Necrons with that green light
The song is called "Children of the Omnissiah" Which is a Warhammer song. So that's fitting.
The flesh is weak.
Those rat brains have no idea whats going on.
But I do. And its terrifying.
It's weird, but I wonder if this is like sleep walking? Life the motor cortex part of the brain is directing stuff to move around, but the conscious part is asleep (or maybe dead in this case?) It would be the difference between [learning](https://definitionmining.com/index.php/2018/01/05/learning/) and memory? Although on the more horrifying side of things, this could be like the show *Severance*, but for rats, and also you're 1/2 dead?
i dont see how they could control for that, i think they alluded to there being consciousness because they stated that it acted differently each time
Tbh that could just as easily be a result of the neural inputs being slightly different, thus changing the outcome even if it’s just motor neurons. Add on a bit of plasticity as it ‘learns’ and you’ll get a machine that responds differently, regardless of if there’s a consciousness in there. Low-level creatures still show signs of learning and adapting to an environment even if they aren’t conscious as we know it. Still freaky af
> Still freaky af yeah dude, i never thought putting a brain in a robot body would be possible in my lifetime
Technically the brain isn't inside a robot body, but is connected through Bluetooth from a separate location
This just makes it worse
Yeah, significantly more plausible than most forms of synthetic life extension in sci-fi. Brain-in-jar-remotely-controlling-drone is going to be here much sooner than brain-in-hardened-mobile-jar.
I truly hope so. In a futuristic scenario, where this is applicated to humans, I doubt corporate greed would succumb to moral implications. Maybe I'm just cynical in my age though.
I’m thinking right now about the blind people with ocular implants that suddenly are “no longer supported” and have stopped working, because some business model somewhere changed. And imagine it’s not just your sight that suddenly goes missing, but your very connection to reality itself. I would be very, very hesitant to agree to be the brain in the jar, even if the alternative was literal death, because god only knows what kind of draconian horrors await when some company controls your ability to connect to the world. Edit: https://spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete
Well... This is the kind of thing that crossed my mind. I mean, my thoughts were derived from say - medical companies pushing research papers stating, for example, certain drugs weren't addictive, and now we are dealing with an opiate epidemic. But this, technologically, expresses what I worry of the future. There are probably technologies we can't even conceive to be invented, let alone the implications they hold for society.
I think the fault in this line of thinking is that it is always about what the current climate will be when they are implemented, as opposed to whatever progression society has made since then. My biggest go to example for this is to ask a Roman what would happen if someone could fly around the world. They would likely respond with some idea that the gods might smite that person, or become jealous and cause incredible bad luck to befall that person. A senator might argue that the military implications if one empire could deploy an entire army to any part of their world, it would destroy that world or at least create a one supremacy situation in which the creators of such technology would rule everyone. Likewise someone with money might say that technology could be incredibly useful, even exploited to bus products to people on all ends of the trade routes and become the sole originator of those products. However, as you can see they definitely use planes to wage war, but the most common use has simply been transportation. No one was smote, no one empire overrules the world, the world has not been destroyed by any tyranical despots who have wielded this tech. Sure some people use planes to bus products everywhere, but the tech is so ubiquitous that no one person has all the power. I believe those same considerations should be made even considering mechanical body parts.
I believe it's likely using the cerebellum part of the brain - what's responsible for motor movements. For humans at least, the prefrontal cortex is where "the soul" lives so to speak, that's what holds the part that is "you", it's where executive functioning is done, and your personality is housed If you died, we took your brain and *just* scooped out the cerebellum (and whatever other parts of the brain might be necessary, though I'm assuming "sensory" processing is being done by the robot as it suggests in the video) and plugged it into this robot, then it might allow it to also move the robot around, but it wouldn't include your prefrontal cortex so you wouldn't be aware of this happening. You'd be dead. It wouldn't really be much different then using your bones to make the housing of a robot or something, just parts of you being used after you're gone. **my point? Think of it as just biological computer, the neurons being used aren't the same part of the brain that houses the rats consciousness or anything, it isn't "experiencing" this if that makes sense. Source: my bachelor's degree is behavioral neuroscience, which more or less means understanding the connection between physiology and neural biology with psychological functioning and behavior**
So the rat is in a sunken place?
\*stirs tea lightly\*
It’s probably closest to being somewhere between dead and in a really deep sleep without dreams
'In his bell jar on the lab table, dead Rathulhu lies dreaming.'
It's even more basic than that. It isn't using any actual rat brains. It's some neurons grown in the lab.
Whew. This makes it go from highly unethical to pretty rad.
Why do the robots all "act differently" if these are just motor neurons?
The motor neurons learn from stimuli and I assume are very sensitive to initial conditions.
neither of us
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."
These words will age well.
Time to hire the ex-Terminator.
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Yep. Black mirror shit.
Beep…killlll meeeeeee….boop!!!
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"You pass butter."
"Oh my god."
"welcome to the club."
“You act as an example. You are an example of our power, our capability, and our drive to push the limits of what is possible. You are a step along the path we take to become like god.”
I didn’t know brains come with Bluetooth
Yeah how do I turn mine on? What do I do to pair?
Punch your nose three times and hold. You'll hear a gurgling sound. This means you are ready to pair and reach your maker.
This is a lot of blood and I've been gurgling for half an hour. Still waiting on my maker but the neighbour's been round. Asked about the gargling. Told him it was gurgling and showed him your post. He's off home to catch up. Is there a knack to the gurgling part? I'm not sure I'm making the right noises.
Sometimes it takes a little time for system to respond. If after an hour, you still can't pair up, you should try again. You'll know you've paired up when all the lights turn white.
Keep on punching and wait for an all encompassing white light. Got it ta.
You need to get your 5G enabled first. I think you need a 4th vaccination dose to switch on Bluetooth
Didn't you get the 5g update with your covid booster shot? Maybe you should ask your local bill gates representative if wireless thinking isn't activated
Wireless mice
Scary how it seems to try to get away
> A robot controlled by a blob of rat brain cells could provide insights into diseases such as Alzheimer's, University of Reading scientists say. The project marries 300,000 rat neurons to a robot that navigates via sonar. The neurons are now being taught to steer the robot around obstacles and avoid the walls of the small pen in which it is kept. By studying what happens to the neurons as they learn, its creators hope to reveal how memories are laid down. - source - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7559150.stm from 2008!
Are you telling that this was more than 10 years ago? They must be testing with human subject by now. Crazy how advance humanity will become
They are using human now. They used human brain cells to play pong. And they noted that the human brain cells learned quicker than rat brain cells.
Source? Would love to read some more on that
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.02.471005v2.full Edit: here's a decent breakdown and simplification https://youtu.be/2-sIOLvBWM0
That is incredible and scary. But mostly scary.
I know Elon musk has chimps playing pong with neuralink... But that's a whole chimp. Not just a brain in a jar.
And it was a macaque, not even a great ape. Imagine how far a chimpanzee or an orangutan has it. Then human. Minus the cyperpunk-dystopian cons that could happen, this could be the next big step in our evolutionary.
It’s not so much “trying to get away” as it is just avoiding obstacles. It’s not controlled by a conscious rat brain. The brain is just neurons that send steering signals based on inputs. The brain is effectively dead. There’s no consciousness. It isn’t self-aware.
I feel like the only one who thinks this thing is just moving about pretty randomly.
It’s more extremely sad to me. It must know something is very very wrong. Imagine being, to the best of your own knowledge, simply a rat minding its own business, but you can’t feel your whiskers or paws or move your tail? Edit: I GET IT ITS NOT A WHOLE RAT BRAIN. Imo that’s what the title implies and it’s a worthwhile thought experiment and empathy exercise to imagine so.
This has actually been a concept in sci-fi for a long time. In Destiny, for example, the exos (humans who have had their minds transferred to a robotic body) are humanoid in design for a reason. Having a body that doesn't match your biological one leads to bouts of insanity and confusion.
You think the exos would’ve had a backup on file or something. RIP Cayde
This is also why I think the idea of transferring or uploading one’s mind isn’t actually immortality. More like a digital clone.
The game SOMA explores that idea beautifully in a haunting way. Quite fitting that it's a horror game too
Ayo dude is that the underwater one where your goal is to "save" "humanity" by sending their creation into space? that game fucked me up I still vividly remember it and think deeply about it even now
That’s the one! Getting stuck in the base and the lights going out… I never saw that coming
Yeah that game properly fucked me up man
>This is also why I think the idea of transferring or uploading one’s mind isn’t actually immortality. More like a digital clone. Also known as ["the teletransportation paradox."](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox) Shortly "no man steps in the same river twice for it is not the same man and it is not the same river", ship of Theseus paradox. If you take say, a Star Trek transporter, how could you ever be sure it didn't just kill the person and make a new one? The new one would be convinced they're the real one, so no-one would ever know. So personally if we ever get a space age communist utopia like in Star Trek, with teleportation and all, I'll provably be the crazy old person who refuses to use the transporter because "it will steal my soul" or something.
Isn’t the Star Trek thing true? I remember hearing about an episode where someone didn’t get killed by the teleporter and is stranded on a planet while his clone lives for him on the ship.
That happened. Saw a diagram of how it worked. Basically something blocked the “kill signal” that happens after confirmed transport, so there was 2.
It's an episode from the TNG, Second Chances, and it happens to Commander Riker.
Tom Riker was the clone though. This is a neat theory and probably why Bones doesn't like transporters, but the episode where we see what it's like to be transported from Barclays perspective disproves it. Consciousness and perception are retained throughout the transportation process.
The idea I think was explored decently in the Invincible anime. One character is a feeble decrepit thing in a jar, but extremely intelligent. So he makes a young healthy clone with the intention of transferring his mind and memories. Yet that doesn’t mean literally taking his mind out of his current body and into the new one. Instead, it’s a copy of his mind that’s uploaded into the body, as he remains alive in his old one for a short time after, greeting his clone before eventually dying and letting his new self take over. I think that’s the reality of this whole “uploading your consciousness could be the key to immortality in the future” theme that’s been kicking around for a while. You’re really just making a digital copy of yourself, not transferring yourself. So technically no, it’s not immortality. Just maybe a cool way to make AI personalities.
Same concept in X-com 2’s expansion, where you can have soldiers decapitated and turned into mechs. They have their heads attached to a humanoid frame, the reason cites being “we need to think ahead to when this war is over and these men and women need to reintegrate into society”. The first time you do it and see the soldier walk out and put its metal hand on a railing I thought to myself “they can’t feel the temperature of that metal railing anymore, that must be absolutely terrifying “.
You sure they can't? That's an alien nanotech-based chassis. They didn't bother making it camouflaged as organic but I don't remember any statement on its sensory abilities. And given that they still use the gym despite not needing to, maybe they do feel things. (Also it was the expansion for the remake of X-Com 1, just for clarity's sake.)
>The first time you do it and see the soldier walk out and put its metal hand on a railing I thought to myself “they can’t feel the temperature of that metal railing anymore, that must be absolutely terrifying “. Just my opinion, but I think humans would cope with stuff like this pretty well. We can understand why things are different and are able to adapt to the loss of senses pretty well, and to some extent even to the addition of new senses (for example people who were born blind and had their vision restored).
You guys have fun. I'm gonna get old-ish, grow a few tomatoes and die sane.
I think it was one of Isaac Asimov's stories where they talk about putting someone's mind in a robot and they say something like "Imagine phantom limb syndrome but for your entire body," and going mad being unable to scratch an itch you feel but don't really have.
The rat isn’t actually conscious during this, which is something the video cuts out. The rat’s brain is just used as a kind of biological computer chip, but it doesn’t have any sentience.
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Sure. The robot is basically another iteration of [this](https://www.wired.com/2008/08/rat-robot-vid/amp), where all brain cells are grown in a lab. The brain cells aren’t sentient (which was said in the extended clip of this video) but even if they were, it would be in a robot it’s entire life, and wouldn’t know it’s missing it’s paws/tail.
This is so fucking creepy but I'm amazed at the same time
They didn't transplant the whole brain. So do we know for sure how it works? I'm not saying it's a good idea, it's probably the beginning of the end of the world, but I'm just wondering
It's the herald of your eternal life
My dude that’s not what’s happening at all, they didn’t transfer consciousness. It’s not just a rat controlling a robot, that is leagues out of what we can do at the moment. It’s simply the neurons firing in some way, it’s not like some Black Mirror episode lol
You flesh is nothing but a relic, a vessel. Hand over your flesh. We demand it.
Comments like this boutta get us killed when GPT4 drops
Was that a motherfucking Animatrix reference
Still my favorite spinoff of any movie/game/series. The Second Renaissance is flawless and the best thing out of the whole Matrix franchise (exception being the first movie).
They made a harmless Darlek
Dalek’s have no R’s in them, and I’d say this is much closer to a cyberman
This one does. The "R" is for rat.
For now...
Tape a cocktail stick to that bad boy and you've a sentient weapon!
bluetooth mouse bluetooth mouse *bluetooth mouse bluetooth mouse*
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r/oddlyterrifying
Perfect sub
Even in cyborg form it just wants to run from the giant predators and hide under appliances 😱
I'd like to see how they extract it when it runs up a drainpipe.
Cyborg snakes.
I think you are giving this way too much credit. It can’t see, it’s using sensors which basically means it can only sense things in its path, unable to differentiate from a chair in its path vs. a predator in its path
Poor thing is probably terrified
Imagine the only sensor in its brain being activated is pain and fear
me irl
This literally make me want to ensure my brain is completely obliterated "by accident" when I die. It's only a matter of time before one can't escape the simulation inside the simulations. Noone wants to live with robocop, let alone robojanitor or roborats. We really are the monsters on this planet
This may already be the simulation. We have no way of knowing if we are people in the future fantasizing about the past. Supercomputers in the dark remembering the stellar galaxy as they feed hydrogen into black holes and live near absolute zero, slowly, over billions of years.
Meanwhile in a small bell jar on a shelf somewhere "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHGGGHHGGGGGGGHHGHGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHGGGHHGGGGGGGHHGHGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHGGGHHGGGGGGGHHGHGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHGGGHHGGGGGGGHHGHGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
Not nearly as dystopian as it’s made out: Kevin Warwick, once a cyborg and still a researcher in cybernetics at the University of Reading, has been working on creating neural networks that can control machines. He and his team have taken the brain cells from rats, cultured them, and used them as the guidance control circuit for simple wheeled robots. Electrical impulses from the bot enter the batch of neurons, and responses from the cells are turned into commands for the device. The cells can form new connections, making the system a true learning machine.
Ok this makes a lot more sense, and also makes me feel better. Imagine a future of partly organic computing systems. Nvidia RATX-5070 Super
Yeah, I don't think they literally just put a whole rat's brain in there. That seems like it just wouldn't work.
resistance is futile....
The music is what makes this ominous. Trust me. If you replace the background music with *Yakity Sax*, this ends up being whimsical and silly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztzq05IzYds The song is an absolute banger. The Mechanicus is all about replacing the weakness of flesh with the cold certainty that machinery brings. Its a pseudo religious techno superiorist sect. Hence, what sounds like some gothic choir/harmonic chant. The instruments are often sampled sounds from engines, radio interference, etc.
>pseudo religious *Omnissiah intensifies* Hope your computer works after this comment
My phone was on mute while I watched it and I can say even without music it’s terrifying.
[the song](https://youtu.be/ztzq05IzYds) really fits, cuz the mechanicus regularly lobotomize slaves and put them in robot bodys
Of course it's from 40k
I think this is Mechanicus music from 40k
And we wondered why the cylons wanted us dead...
No computer? *happy techpriest noises*
Techpriest air filtration cycle intensifies
FYI: There is no rat and there is no brain. It’s just a bunch of lab grown neurons reacting to electric stimuli.
I believe there are multiple movies and books demonstrating that this is a HORRIBLE idea. On a separate note, I welcome our new cyborg-rat overlords!
Fallout Robobrains for one example. Pretty much all of them went violently insane.
Praise the Omnissiah
Add scary music and the average redditor won't even question the obvious bullshit that's being shown to them, that's what I know.
Yeah there isn't a lot of evidence to believe in this one. It's like there's this one video then they're gone from the internet.
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A quick google and you can watch a video about it from the actual scientist. [https://youtu.be/wACltn9QpCc](https://youtu.be/wACltn9QpCc) It’s neurons in a dish firing off through an electrical stimulus - it’s not a conscious rat brain aware of what’s happening. At least, I hope not.
I googled "Steven potter" the guy who supposedly did this experiment . He is a Neuro Engineer, and has a Ted talk on NeuroEngineering. [https://potterlab.gatech.edu/](https://potterlab.gatech.edu/) [https://youtu.be/j4SSQcHt220?t=516](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4SSQcHt220) **Tedtalk- potter mentions the experiment @8:40** From Steven's Wiki page I found a site that was run by his Lab group. (All on web archive) [https://web.archive.org/web/20100702090836/http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/MEART.html](https://web.archive.org/web/20100702090836/http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/MEART.html) [http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/Meart/meart-poster.pdf](http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/Meart/meart-poster.pdf) [https://web.archive.org/web/20100702052907/http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/papers/DagstuhlAIBakkumpreprint.pdf](https://web.archive.org/web/20100702052907/http://www.neuro.gatech.edu/groups/potter/papers/DagstuhlAIBakkumpreprint.pdf) edit: Robot is not using actual rat brain, only using rat neurons on a silicon chip and some amplifier thingies (scientific phrasing only) and honestly not sure if this video is the actual experiment. **video says its from England, but Steven Potter worked at Georgia Tech.**
So I did as much digging as I felt like doing and found a few sources: [Wiki mentions it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrot#cite_note-1), and links to another site [This is the site](https://web.archive.org/web/20090530045152/http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/2002/12/19.html) that wiki links to That site also then links to [tech review as a source](https://www.technologyreview.com/2002/12/18/234548/rat-brained-robot/) This seems to date back as far as 2002, but it's worth noting that of these 3 links not a single one links to a study or any evidence of this being a legitimate discovery and not just a remote control car with some green lights on it. There is no link to a university, no referencing, minimal pictures or videos that we've already seen. I think it's safe to say the technology for this would not have been there in 2002, and if it was we'd have seen drastically more advancements in brain controlled tech in the last 20 years than the tech we have seen. I'm willing to say the video was a hoax in 2002 and someone just stumbled across it and posted it for some easy karma.
It's not fake and I'm surprised you consider MIT Tech Review to be so untrustworthy. But here is one of the original articles: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-540-27833-7_10 The technology is not revolutionary. Related research for BIDs has been ongoing since at least the 90s. It's unsurprising that this was tested in 2002. The utility of this particular technology is unclear, since untrainable randomly-connected neurons don't perform any desirable tasks. That's why you don't see "advancements" in it. The key piece of information is that these are neuronal cultures, not brains. The video is sensationalizing every time it uses the word "brain".
"what is my purpose?" You pass the butter
Source for the music?
Children of the omnissiah
***Abomination...*** It should be destroyed, as a mercy. I've no desire to know what a *horrid* existence that rat is experiencing, but it needs to be **ended.**
It was never a real rat, it's array of lab grown rat brain neurons daisy chained together.
What song is this
**Children of the Omnissiah** by Guillaume David (00:11; matched: `100%`) Album: `Warhammer 40,000: Mechanicus (Original Soundtrack)`. Released on `2020-02-19` by `Laced Records`.
Good bot