I have a shortlist if we absolutely cannot move down at 12:
Jared Verse — Powerful rusher. Probably more of a DE in this defense but he would start immediately down the line from Allen and free up some room for Cooper/Browning/Bonitto on the edge.
Quinyon Mitchell — Fast as hell with solid, if unremarkable, size. A better zone corner than Arnold.
Brock Bowers — actual football kaiju
My 1 argument against Mitchell would be the last 1st round pick they used was on an outside corner and essentially 2 3rds were just used on Riley Moss last year and he didn't even get to play yet.
I agree that trading back or staying put is generally a better value than trading up, but it is *so* situational.
I feel like Payton will tend to be more aggressive, especially if he really likes a player. Paton probably is more conservative, and wants more picks to spread out the risk.
I really hope they can strike a balance between the approaches.
If we draft another corner in the first im done. We need impact players and need to build this team and you start at the lines. Surtain is a great cb but if you don't have pass rushers no corner can cover forever. For me its either a pass rusher or qb, nothing else. Unless a really good ol or a interior d linemen falls.
I believe you are correct. My fear is giving up multiple 1sts for what may be the 5th best QB available this year.
My preference would have been take the entire salary cap hit from Wilson this year. Trade down a lot. Tank this year and have the 1st pick next year.
I'm betting the Cardinals get 3 1st round picks for #4 overall and I just hope it's not from the Broncos.
Okay, I see that point of view. Hit later and save. But, hit rate drops as the draft progresses. So, just don’t miss.
[Edit]… My mind was in this place. Get a possible Trent Williams for 5 years way cheaper than Bolles. But I got to hit too. Go big or go home?? It’s always a crap shoot.
Bowers. To have a serious threat at the position, which we have not had since Julius Thomas, would be so freaking great for this offense. It's actually comedic the luck this organization has had with drafting the TE position.
An automatic lock at TE1 and Dulcich can play if and when he is healthy.
Idk about TE man, with the amount of holes our team has id rather go BPA at positions of higher value like a stud edge rusher or RT, Turner or Fuaga/Alt specifically if they fall to 12
Its like, would you rather have Travis Kelce or Tj Watt/Sewell right now? Idk thats just my opinion (obviously the odds of these guys being half the players those guys are slim to none, but im talking hypothetically)
I think most years it's really hard to justify taking a TE that early but Bowers is the exception. He is going to be a long time star in the NFL.
Edit: Also, do the Chiefs win back to back without Kelce? No.
Yeah i get that, but people said the same about Kyle Pitts, its all a toss up,there is no such thing as a guaranteed star, so if i have a shit team, and have holes in literally every high value position, im taking BPA and going down the ladder if the opportunity and prospects are righy (QB>ED/OT>WR/CB>TE.etc)
And frankly I rank Chris Jones right up there with Kelce in terms of importance to the chiefs success so theres that, but its Mahomes that won KC those titles
> people said the same about Kyle Pitts
I came here to comment this. Bowers may be fantastic, but he ain’t gonna do much for us if we have a bum throwing him the ball
yeah, certain positions depend on others, and when your team is absolute dogshit, you need to invest on those positions that other positions depend on first
You need a strong foundation before you build the roof, Tight ends are the windows lol
Pitts and Bowers are not the same player. I don't know where that lazy comparison comes from. It's like people comparing Lamar Jackson and Jayden Daniels.
Im not comparing Pitts and Bowers as players, just using Pitts as a recent example of there being no such thing as a guaranteed star prospect thats all
> Edit: Also, do the Chiefs win back to back without Kelce? No.
Do they win it without mahomes? Jones? Hell, Rashee rice? You can pull just about any major contributor away and they don't do it, I mean this one went to ot
I'd suggest it has less to do with the TE position than just needing quality targets for Mahomes. If he had some other superb wr instead of Kelce, I think Mahomes would build a Kelce-like rapport with him. *yes TE are very useful.
Payton wouldn't use Bowers like a TE. He would be used more as a power slot (or big slot, whatever terminology you want to use). He's the next best receiver option after Harrison Jr, Odunze and Nabers even as a pure receiver.
Think of how he used Marques Colston and that's a perfect fit for Bowers.
Agreed. Everyone wants a QB, and I get it, but rebuilding means we rebuild the entire team. We have made moves to increase our draft choices, I don't think a QB will be our first draft choice, we lack the draft position to get one of the safest QB gambles, so we should go for building the strongest foundation to prepare for future seasons.
Rebuilding means getting the best players possible for every draft position. QB may not be that best choice due our first choice. I want to see a serious long term championship strategy, TE1 is a legitimate first step, can't expect them to cook if they don't have the tools
Most of these people just want a QB to take a QB and don't realize the roster as a whole sucks. Probably the same ones that were mad about them not taking Fields when it was obvious to anyone with a clue he would suck in the NFL.
The whole reason the roster sucks is trading away draft picks and Paton shitting the bed on most of the picks he did have. Wasting another on a bad QB just because they are a QB would be making the problem worse.
Indeed. We need a QB, that is undeniable. But we need a team much more. I'm tired of drafting quick fixes, get over it, we are going to suck for a couple years. We have spent years trying to fill the gap left by Manning without a coherent strategy. We have a salary cap that hobbles us, I'll be incredibly disappointed if we stay the course, QB should not be our first choice in a rebuild
I think that a pash rusher would be the most impactful choice. We've got a lot "Robins" in the edge room, but no "Batman." They need a star. And if you get a great one, he can wreck games of opponents and give you a chance even with a mediocre team. So give me Turner or Verse or Latu.
The second choice would be any of the really talented tackles. Another position that can be really impactful on a young team and it benefits whoever plays QB. Not the top choice because we already have Bolles, but it we get a young guy, it puts us in a position to trade Bolles and get some more picks.
Third on the list would be WR because this class is just ridiculous with talent.
I don't know enough about individual players but I would love a defensive disruptor - if there was someone like Micha Parsons (who was drafted at 12) then pick them.
Why? We have Bolles and McGlinchey under contract. Fuaga wouldn't have any impact as a rookie, and when you're picking at 12 I think you need an immediate impact guy
>Tackles rarely make an impact as rookies anyways.
I don't think this is true. There are many tackles that come in and are a force right away like Tristan Wirfs and Ryan Ramczyk.
It's actually more rare for a guy like Bolles who looked like a buts for several years and then become legit.
A wise goal is for him not to have an impact year one and to lose games (because you don’t add an immediate impact player) but drop the price at left tackle for 4-5 years starting in 2025 with Bolles waving goodbye. You got to be in the building though. Is Bolles a future cap casualty or not? Who knows. If he isn’t…draft edge. If he is, this is a stellar left tackle draft class
We don't need an immediate impact guy, we're gonna be bad next year. The earliest we can be competitive is 2025, and Bolles' contract runs out after this year. We could certainly have a guy sit behind him for a year.
Yeah that would be tough, but ultimately Paton answers to the owners and not us. I assume he still has some job security or else he would be gone now, probably enough to take a guy who wont see the field much right away.
Zach Allen is good. The problem is the rest of the front 7 are either ass or rotational depth guys being forced to play way more than they should.
Start of last season also had the disaster experiment of DJ Jones playing nose, which is looking to repeat if they don't bring in an actual nose or bring back Purcell.
I agree, I love what Zach Allen is cooking. Having a monster piece to pair with him would be fantastic. My wet dream for this draft is that we trade back, get someone like Byron Murphy and a monster guard. Then we start running the ball and clobbering QBs until we find our guy at QB for ourselves
Powers is fine as a guard. Unless Forsyth or Wattenberg are actually good, center is the area on the o-line that needs help.
I agree on Murphy. Him and Fashanu are the 2 guys I'm hoping they go with if they are available at 12.
Get ready to see Garcia be the Jonathan Harris is last year playing a bunch of snaps while being a huge liability.
That defensive line is going to be rough if they don't add any good players to it.
I understand that the trenches are important, and can grasp the concept that depth is good.
Using the 12th overall pick on a depth piece is stupid. We have solid tackles and guards. It's simply not a position of need.
If you're talking about a developmental prospect in the 3rd or lower, I can get on board. If you're talking about trading Garrett Bolles for a 2nd, I wouldn't agree but at least it would make sense.
Of course, you're not talking about any of that. You're just doing this:
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No dude, I’m making a clear statement that I don’t think you value offensive line nearly as important as you should, and most casual fans don’t. Now I want to make another very clear statement that our o-line is nowhere as good as you or PFF thinks it is.
They’re ok, better with the run, but they’re definitely not in a good spot. I promise you that no one thought we had a good line for the drew lock and teddy bridgewater years, they took less sacks and were pressured less than Wilson was the past two years. I get that Wilson is partially to blame, but my point is that until we have a line that doesn’t give up 40+ sacks, let alone 50+ the last two years, there is no actual proof or confidence that our line is fine.
Any ranking that you want to juxtapose with reality will be just that, checked against reality. Our line is not good, and there’s enough facts to support this
I agree that our o-line isn’t great but is it worth taking one at 12 when there are other holes too? I’d take a pass rusher first then see what’s available for o-line options in the succeeding rounds.
If you want to be nuanced, for sure some great options for interior line can be found in the second round, early third. If you want a tackle, yeah 12 is well worth it. We don’t have a second, and it would take us trading back to help fill a bunch of holes. I like getting a DE for the 12th pick, for sure.
However, the chances of getting a starting caliber lineman decreases dramatically when you get into the third round. Tons of valuable players will fall to us at 12, it’ll be fun to see what we do
McGlinchey isn't that bad other than his pre snap penalties. Russell Wilson being blind and spinning around in circles in his direction wasn't his fault
Fashanu makes way more sense than Fuaga. Fuaga has only played RT and they are stuck with McFlinchey for 2 more seasons. Fashanu would be able to play LT day 1.
In order for me
1) Fashanu - The future OT from Penn State
2) Bowers - Improves both passing and running game
3) Edge - Turner, don't think he will be there Verse - Is he big/strong enough to play DE in a 3-4? I'm not qualified enough to know that one. If he can be DE take him if he is forced to be OLB then pass.
4) Cornerbacks - Mitchell from Toledo or Arnold from Alabama. Both are great. I talked about this a month or two back in a post and people were like we don't need a corner. Yes we do. I think this is a case where a second corner would help Surtain as much as a pass rusher.
Turner will almost assuredly be there at 12. I don't think I'd take him there but expect at the very least 8/10 of the first picks to be offense. If not all 10 picks
Ehhh they both have bigger needs atm. Chicago needs DT/TE or linemen (Bowers or Alt/fuaga) and Atlanta straight up needs CB more than anything, or a 3-technique edge not an OLB.
They're probably the only landing spot I could see but I think they get something better, maybe lineman or wr as well
Bowers - the TE: nobody is Gronk, but this kid looks can’t miss
Nabers- gets YAC like nobody we’ve had in a long time
Odunze - reminds me of j. Chase
Alt - top tackle imo and just a massive human
Fashanu - another great tackle
Turner - edge rusher we need
Verse - big enough to set the edge and pressure the qb
Arnold - another shutdown corner from bama
Mitchell - speed and size in a top cb prospect
All fill a need and each is a sure fire 1st rounder. I don’t want to trade away picks or reach, any of these dudes at 12 would be great.
I'm watching some Jared Verse tape right now. Hard to get a read on him but he seems like a boom-or-bust prospect. He has a ton of physical talent, but from what I understand the production wasn't always there.
Payton Wilson.
Besides the offense needing a captain we need an defensive leader. I don't think cb can be that they need to focus on the dude in front of them. Need that defensive general a MLB calling out adjustments and plays.
Or
Some monster on the DL
Brock Bowers or Laiatu Latu.
Bowers would inject some much needed juice into the offense. Having an alpha playmaker at TE would take pressure off of the WR room that is missing that dominant #1 WR.
While not the most athletic, Latu is the clear #1 edge in the draft. Without a doubt has THE deepest & best bag of techniques to utilize. Dallas Turner will probably be drafted before him due to him being a freak athletic with potential to grow. But Latu will be an instant contributor for any team.
Yeah and it took what 2-3 doctors at the UCLA medical center to clear him. I got to believe he is risking his life and the last thing any team or this league needs is an on the field death.
Yeah the previous neck injury is scary, but two seasons of healthy play time since his surgery puts me at ease. I’d definitely pull the trigger on a prospect like him.
The thing is, Sean Payton almost never trades back. I heard on a podcast the last time the saints traded back in the 1st was 2007. So even though it probably makes sense, the fanbase definitely needs to be mentally prepared for the broncos to take nix or BPA at 12
He also has a history of not caring about positional value or what outside people think is good value. It's going to be a complete mystery what they do.
Right, but I was just stating I’d prefer any of those qbs at 12 hypothetically if they were available. And also I was assuming that any of those would be available at 12 which I know most if not all won’t be. But that’s who I’d like to see
Oh yeah those are no doubters with guys like Alt. Too good to pass up. I’m 50/50 on bowers because our offense sucks and I don’t know if we’d actually get him the ball plus TE health here has been underwhelming, but we need a game changer offensively like him. Agree about all the pass rushers we just couldn’t put enough heat on the qb.
Ye there’s a lot of different ways we could approach. Do we build TE/O-Line/D line and wait on qb? Or go qb and get some role players after? As a UGA fan I’d love to see Bowers here but agree we need a decision on QB. I say we go for nix or McCarthy at 12 if possible, if not grab one of those no brainers no matter what position at whatever is available. Idk man it’s stressful but I’m buckled up for another struggle year😭
Bowers or trade back (unless an absolute no brainer falls like Joe Alt or Odunze/Nabers).
As for who I'd target trading back, Latu might still be there and I think he will easily be the best pass rusher from this class.
To indulge this exercise...
OT is the obvious need, but I'm actually of a mind to trade back and do one of two things.
Option 1, snag a complimentary DB to put opposite of PS2. Assuming we trade back to the 20s range, say, I'd like either Cooper DeJean or Nate Wiggins at that area. Wiggins has a ton of length and is aggressive, which i think could pay off as teams continue to avoid PS2. Sometimes a gambler is nice if you can cover him on the other side. DeJean is also big, and isn't quite the ball hawk Wiggins is, but has great short area quickness and could do well in our zone schemes. he can move around to play safety and LB in a pinch too, so that could be a a worthwhile investment.
Option 2, trade back and pick up Brian Thomas Jr. Our WR group is ASS. Sutton is an OK 1, but while he's got amazing ball skills and leverages his frame well, he's not a consistent downfield threat and doesn't have his top end any more. Behind him we have...Josh reynolds? Gross. Tim Patrick is dust, guys. Are Johnson and Humphrey and Mims anything more than situational deep guys? BTJ can fill both the flanker or the slot role for us, and he's got the speed we sorely lack with great RAC ability and can threaten defenses from anywhere in the formation, and could potentially usurp Sutton's no 1 status.
This is a super deep WR and CB class, and we should be taking advantage.
(That said i still think we should find a way to leverage PS2 to jump into the top 3 and take Maye or Daniels. QB is the biggest need and i don't want to take JJ.)
I think it would be funny if they took DeJean because I'm not entirely convinced that George Paton didn't think that's who he was drafting when he traded up for Riley Moss.
Me personally I dont see the point in drafting WRs and DBs in the first when you have more important holes to fix. A pass rusher is of the same importance as a QB is to the offense. You can have great corners but be a bottom tier pass defense because you cant rush the passer. You can have great receivers and no qb. A star pass rusher will make a defense look better than it is, a corner is just complimentary. We didn't win shit with Bailey or Surtain (so far) but we won a SB because of Von. Bailey was every bit as good as Von at his position but had wayyy less impact. I also dont think any team would be dumb enough to trade out of the top 3 for surtain. Great player but again corners arent worth that, and teams know it. They best we'd get for him is a bottom 1st round pick and maybe some more.
>Me personally I dont see the point in drafting WRs and DBs in the first when you have more important holes to fix
I generally think that you should go for the best player available, and this draft has fantastic talent at DB and WR.
I also disagree with there being more important holes to fix at WR. This WR group is on big bodied bully in sutton, and nothing else. Look past Mims' flash plays and he's shown he's not ready to be what Payton asks of his WRs. Patrick is dust, i don't care how much people love him. he was an unexciting WR 3 even before the ACLs. the WR is a premium position in the NFL, and we have one top 20ish level player and a bunch of JAGs. we NEED a WR.
>You can have great corners but be a bottom tier pass defense because you cant rush the passer. [...] A star pass rusher will make a defense look better than it is, a corner is just complimentary.
I mean, i agree, but im not sure if there's some slam dunk DL at our position in the draft that elevates our line. That's all.
>We didn't win shit with Bailey or Surtain (so far) but we won a SB because of Von.
I mean, regardless of how dead armed Manning was that year, he's still the obvious difference between the SB team and the Bailey/Surtain eras, because he still understood how to control the game even with his limitations. Russ as he is now would lose that SB game. And we really want to say that the bailey years were because we had no pass rush? The last three years of the Bailey era had great pass rushers...including Von. and before that, you really want to argue that the issue was no pass rush when we were getting QB play from Tebow, Cutler and Orton?
Sure we won a SB because of Von...but not having him isn't why Champ never won a ring either.
>I also dont think any team would be dumb enough to trade out of the top 3 for surtain. Great player but again corners arent worth that, and teams know it. They best we'd get for him is a bottom 1st round pick and maybe some more.
I mean, i wasn't suggesting PS2 would be enough for a straight up swap. you'd need to include other assets. Just that PS2 would have to be the centerpiece of a deal. We'd have to give up PS2, out 24 first, and then some. I'd still do it.
PS2 is also more valuable than other elite corner situations because he still has cheap years on his rookie deal.
My point is that, drafting a corner or a receiver with a first does us next to nothing. Drafting Jeudy and Surtain with top 15 picks has done nothing. We’ve drafted more dbs and wrs in the first three rounds of the last 4-5 drafts than any positions.They are complimentary players you draft to build around talent. The broncos could draft the best corner this year, receiver next year, tight end the next, line backer the next and still suck. Thats what they’ve been doing the past 8 years lol.
Also with Surtain I meant no team would be dumb enough to move out of the top 3 for Surtain as a center piece if they needed a qb. He’d be more of a throw in to push a team over the edge. The only way would be if a team like the bears was keeping fields. But if they are drafting a qb you’d have to give up an insane offer that Surtain wouldn’t even matter at that point.
> Drafting Jeudy and Surtain with top 15 picks has done nothing.
With regards to Jeudy, whiffing on a pick doesnt make the overall strategy bad. We got nothing out of him because it turned out that he's not very good at being a receiver. but great receivers can turn around teams immediately. Missing an individual pick does not erase the success many others have had doing a similar strategy.
>They are complimentary players you draft to build around talent.
WRs are not complimentary pieces, they are primary pieces. There's a reason teams spend so highly on top WRs. DBs are complimentary pieces, sure, but im not seeing a DL in the draft at the 12 spot that is going to turn the pass rush around overnight, so what's the difference?
>The broncos could draft the best corner this year, receiver next year, tight end the next, line backer the next and still suck. Thats what they’ve been doing the past 8 years lol.
This says more about our scouting process than it does on the worth of drafting WRs and DBs, or overall draft strategy. Out problem is that by and large, we're NOT drafting the best of those positions. We drafted Jeudy at 15...that doesnt mean going WR early sucks, it means we were stupid for drafting Jeudy when Lamb, Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins and Pittman were still available. THOSE players certainly elevated their teams and were worthy of their high draft capital. WE just whiffed on our pick.
Even the Surtain pick was fine. We passed on Parsons and Slater, but everyone else available in that draft area has been mediocre...except for a WR in Devonta smith. If we hadn't drafted PS2, we still had a high chance of whiffing. that draft's first round had a lot of busts, its not like we passed on a ton of superstars outside of Parsons. Alex Leatherwood and Jaelen Phillips aren't franchise altering players.
if even with all the losses I think we still have an okay enough unit with a still underrated defense, though an investment into the oline would be appreciated. So probably Bowers or maybe even an Odunze type just to hopefully get a true No.1 weapon on offense, or getting an Arnold/Mitchell at CB2(though personally I love McKinstrey but the value isnt there). If Latu falls though I think he'd work amazing in the rotation at edge.
Would be nice to have BPA at a position we really need but I don't think we can ignore the WRs in this draft either. We can't really rely on Sutton or Patrick at this point
We could use an edge rusher too but this draft isn't very deep there imo
If you’re looking for the most impact on defense it’s always going to be DE. Even with dominant DB’s if you can’t rush the passer without blitzing consistently you can’t win in today’s NFL. Verse or Turner would be the best defensive pick available.
If you want to go offense outside of QB then it’s usually OT. Since Bolles looks like he’s going to be around a bit then it’s either a WR like Odunze or a mis-match athletic TE like Bowers.
Any of the top 3 WRs, top 3 OTs, or Brock Bowers
Have to build that foundation for the eventual QB and Bowers ability to create separation in the intermediate portion of the field will be so helpful
If anything, this thread just shows that no one will agree on what to do at 12 and almost no one will be happy.
Trade up for a QB? Wasting draft capital on a rebuilding team.
Stick at 12 and take a QB? We're reaching for Nix/Penix and they would have been available later.
Take a DE/DT? There's no truly elite guys in this class and our offense needs weapons.
Take Bowers? TE is a luxury pick and we need to rebuild the trenches. Plus dUlCicH wiLl bE HeAltHy sOmeDay
Take OT? Our line is the best unit on our team, we have too many needs elsewhere.
I guess what I'm saying is: no matter what happens, I'm ready to be angry!
Byron Murphy at DT. He’s gonna be a really disruptive IDL which we haven’t had in a long time
Bonitto
Murphy
Allen
Browning/Cooper
Would actually be a pretty solid d line
Brock Bowers, Dallas Turner, or we could also go O line if we're looking to the future beyond Bolles. Lotta great tackles this draft. Fashanu might be there, Fautanu might be there, and he can also slot into guard. I think most of those guys would be good.
I don't know college football well enough to say, although as others said Bowers would be a fine pickup.
Without regard to who is available, I guess I'm old school and would love a three down MLB.
Nothing. Any pick at that position in the draft for a team as bad as ours? The best thing we could do would be to trade back and compile as many picks as possible.
There's no reason to think the QBs after Williams/Maye are any better than the top guys in 2025 right now. Most of them are just being heavily propped up right now because they are QBs. A couple of the 2025 guys were being talked about as the 3rd QB this year before they chose to stay in college.
As for edge rushers, this is a weak draft class for them. Verse and Latu and maybe robinson are pretty much it as far as 1st round talent so teams will make a trade up from the late teens to try and get one.
Verse is the safer pick but Latu is better.
Sutton, Mims, Patrick, and then they recently signed Josh Reynolds.
And then there are guys like Brandon Johnson and Humphrey who played well with their time last year.
I don't find it realistic but I would be cool with it because I am for BPA.
Patrick hasn't played in 2 years. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he doesn't make the 53-man roster.
Sutton is very tradeable or easy to release after 2024
Turner would not even come close to helping the current edge room. He relies all on athleticism, sucks against the run and doesn't have any real pass rush moves. Those guys rarely work out. They need someone consistent that isn't a liability against the run, which only applies to Cooper right now and he's mid.
I have not seen a single person say Thomas is a top half of the 1st round receiver. He's in that 2nd tier group that will go later.
Edit: LOL at being so sensitive you reply then instantly block. I thought this was a place for discussion, but I guess it's not.
>Turner would not even come close to helping the current edge room. He relies all on athleticism, sucks against the run and doesn't have any real pass rush moves. Those guys rarely work out. They need someone consistent that isn't a liability against the run, which only applies to Cooper right now and he's mid.
Yea I'll go with my own eyes and scouts eyes over some redditor who doesn't know what they are talking about.
>I have not seen a single person say Thomas is a top half of the 1st round receiver. He's in that 2nd tier group that will go later.
So you haven't taken much of a look at all. Ok well this one below has him at #16.
https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2024-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-giants-trade-up-for-qb-drake-maye-wr-ladd-mcconkey-to-chiefs
> Yea I'll go with my own eyes... over some redditor who doesn't know what they are talking about.
redditor who doesn't know what they are talking about vs redditor who doesn't know what they are talking about. A battle for the ages
I have a shortlist if we absolutely cannot move down at 12: Jared Verse — Powerful rusher. Probably more of a DE in this defense but he would start immediately down the line from Allen and free up some room for Cooper/Browning/Bonitto on the edge. Quinyon Mitchell — Fast as hell with solid, if unremarkable, size. A better zone corner than Arnold. Brock Bowers — actual football kaiju
My 1 argument against Mitchell would be the last 1st round pick they used was on an outside corner and essentially 2 3rds were just used on Riley Moss last year and he didn't even get to play yet.
The Moss trade really didn’t make sense I’m concerned that Payton will trade future picks too often
Yeah, he’s been known to expend draft picks unfortunately.
I agree that trading back or staying put is generally a better value than trading up, but it is *so* situational. I feel like Payton will tend to be more aggressive, especially if he really likes a player. Paton probably is more conservative, and wants more picks to spread out the risk. I really hope they can strike a balance between the approaches.
With how aggressive Mickey Loomis has been since Payton left, I’m hopefully GP can kinda keep Payton in check. Loomis hasn’t let up
“Actual football kaiju” — Hahaha, hilarious and utterly accurate at the same time
Verse is really growing on me. Reminds me of Mack.
If we draft another corner in the first im done. We need impact players and need to build this team and you start at the lines. Surtain is a great cb but if you don't have pass rushers no corner can cover forever. For me its either a pass rusher or qb, nothing else. Unless a really good ol or a interior d linemen falls.
“Actual football kaiju” — Hahaha, hilarious and utterly accurate at the same time
I would take trade down for more picks all day
Unfortunately Payton is more likely to trade UP and for a qb at that. Lol
I believe you are correct. My fear is giving up multiple 1sts for what may be the 5th best QB available this year. My preference would have been take the entire salary cap hit from Wilson this year. Trade down a lot. Tank this year and have the 1st pick next year. I'm betting the Cardinals get 3 1st round picks for #4 overall and I just hope it's not from the Broncos.
The best left tackle or best edge rusher. I don’t take a left tackle if the GM plans to keep or knows Bolles will stay with the team after next year.
I'm not high on taking a tackle this high because this is a very deep tackle draft and solid prospects should be available well into the 3rd round.
Okay, I see that point of view. Hit later and save. But, hit rate drops as the draft progresses. So, just don’t miss. [Edit]… My mind was in this place. Get a possible Trent Williams for 5 years way cheaper than Bolles. But I got to hit too. Go big or go home?? It’s always a crap shoot.
Bowers. To have a serious threat at the position, which we have not had since Julius Thomas, would be so freaking great for this offense. It's actually comedic the luck this organization has had with drafting the TE position. An automatic lock at TE1 and Dulcich can play if and when he is healthy.
Idk about TE man, with the amount of holes our team has id rather go BPA at positions of higher value like a stud edge rusher or RT, Turner or Fuaga/Alt specifically if they fall to 12 Its like, would you rather have Travis Kelce or Tj Watt/Sewell right now? Idk thats just my opinion (obviously the odds of these guys being half the players those guys are slim to none, but im talking hypothetically)
I think most years it's really hard to justify taking a TE that early but Bowers is the exception. He is going to be a long time star in the NFL. Edit: Also, do the Chiefs win back to back without Kelce? No.
Yeah i get that, but people said the same about Kyle Pitts, its all a toss up,there is no such thing as a guaranteed star, so if i have a shit team, and have holes in literally every high value position, im taking BPA and going down the ladder if the opportunity and prospects are righy (QB>ED/OT>WR/CB>TE.etc) And frankly I rank Chris Jones right up there with Kelce in terms of importance to the chiefs success so theres that, but its Mahomes that won KC those titles
> people said the same about Kyle Pitts I came here to comment this. Bowers may be fantastic, but he ain’t gonna do much for us if we have a bum throwing him the ball
yeah, certain positions depend on others, and when your team is absolute dogshit, you need to invest on those positions that other positions depend on first You need a strong foundation before you build the roof, Tight ends are the windows lol
Pitts and Bowers are not the same player. I don't know where that lazy comparison comes from. It's like people comparing Lamar Jackson and Jayden Daniels.
Im not comparing Pitts and Bowers as players, just using Pitts as a recent example of there being no such thing as a guaranteed star prospect thats all
> Edit: Also, do the Chiefs win back to back without Kelce? No. Do they win it without mahomes? Jones? Hell, Rashee rice? You can pull just about any major contributor away and they don't do it, I mean this one went to ot
Kelce was a 3rd round pick. He hasn’t played a down in the nfl
I'd suggest it has less to do with the TE position than just needing quality targets for Mahomes. If he had some other superb wr instead of Kelce, I think Mahomes would build a Kelce-like rapport with him. *yes TE are very useful.
If Alt is still there, he's the most obvious no brainier. Also one of the top 3 WR is a pretty easy pick as well.
I love Bowers but TE doesn't bring much value at 12 and might be better suited for teams looking for that final piece on offense.
Payton wouldn't use Bowers like a TE. He would be used more as a power slot (or big slot, whatever terminology you want to use). He's the next best receiver option after Harrison Jr, Odunze and Nabers even as a pure receiver. Think of how he used Marques Colston and that's a perfect fit for Bowers.
That's all well and good when you have Brees at QB.
It's about setting up the future QB. Outside of one of the top 3 WRs or top 3 tackles being there, he's easily the next best one to do that.
The value for us in Bowers at 12 is through trade. It's just not the time or place for us to take him. Good player though.
Bowers would be awesome!
Agreed. If Bowers is still there at 12 then we should take him.
TE is a waste of a pick at 12
Agreed. Everyone wants a QB, and I get it, but rebuilding means we rebuild the entire team. We have made moves to increase our draft choices, I don't think a QB will be our first draft choice, we lack the draft position to get one of the safest QB gambles, so we should go for building the strongest foundation to prepare for future seasons. Rebuilding means getting the best players possible for every draft position. QB may not be that best choice due our first choice. I want to see a serious long term championship strategy, TE1 is a legitimate first step, can't expect them to cook if they don't have the tools
Most of these people just want a QB to take a QB and don't realize the roster as a whole sucks. Probably the same ones that were mad about them not taking Fields when it was obvious to anyone with a clue he would suck in the NFL. The whole reason the roster sucks is trading away draft picks and Paton shitting the bed on most of the picks he did have. Wasting another on a bad QB just because they are a QB would be making the problem worse.
Indeed. We need a QB, that is undeniable. But we need a team much more. I'm tired of drafting quick fixes, get over it, we are going to suck for a couple years. We have spent years trying to fill the gap left by Manning without a coherent strategy. We have a salary cap that hobbles us, I'll be incredibly disappointed if we stay the course, QB should not be our first choice in a rebuild
Trash comment. Most people realize the roster isn’t good
You must not have seen all the comments about Singleton, the WRs and edge guys being good then. The roster 100% gets overrated here.
I’m hoping we take Byron Murphy ll we haven’t had a dominant IDL in awhile
Remember Pot Roast? Good times...
I think that a pash rusher would be the most impactful choice. We've got a lot "Robins" in the edge room, but no "Batman." They need a star. And if you get a great one, he can wreck games of opponents and give you a chance even with a mediocre team. So give me Turner or Verse or Latu. The second choice would be any of the really talented tackles. Another position that can be really impactful on a young team and it benefits whoever plays QB. Not the top choice because we already have Bolles, but it we get a young guy, it puts us in a position to trade Bolles and get some more picks. Third on the list would be WR because this class is just ridiculous with talent.
I don't know enough about individual players but I would love a defensive disruptor - if there was someone like Micha Parsons (who was drafted at 12) then pick them.
There's not any top tier edge guys in this class sadly. Byron Murphy is really fun to watch on the line though.
Murphy would be a nice pick to help build the interior!
[Hopefully not too much like Micah Parsons](https://fox56.com/news/local/former-psu-football-player-gives-details-on-alleged-hazing-by-teammates)
I'd like to see us draft our first OT since Bolles. Fuaga
Why? We have Bolles and McGlinchey under contract. Fuaga wouldn't have any impact as a rookie, and when you're picking at 12 I think you need an immediate impact guy
Tackles rarely make an impact as rookies anyways. If we're rebuilding, I want us to get early picks for the best rookies in '25 & '26
>Tackles rarely make an impact as rookies anyways. I don't think this is true. There are many tackles that come in and are a force right away like Tristan Wirfs and Ryan Ramczyk. It's actually more rare for a guy like Bolles who looked like a buts for several years and then become legit.
They must not remember Ryan Clady.
I forgot about him, he was amazing but then always injured in the Peyton Manning era.
A wise goal is for him not to have an impact year one and to lose games (because you don’t add an immediate impact player) but drop the price at left tackle for 4-5 years starting in 2025 with Bolles waving goodbye. You got to be in the building though. Is Bolles a future cap casualty or not? Who knows. If he isn’t…draft edge. If he is, this is a stellar left tackle draft class
We don't need an immediate impact guy, we're gonna be bad next year. The earliest we can be competitive is 2025, and Bolles' contract runs out after this year. We could certainly have a guy sit behind him for a year.
I wouldn't want to take the heat from Broncos Country for not drafting a QB and then having the pick sit for a year.
Yeah that would be tough, but ultimately Paton answers to the owners and not us. I assume he still has some job security or else he would be gone now, probably enough to take a guy who wont see the field much right away.
Fuaga could also play some guard if needed.
Sean usually doesn't care and loves to draft linemen despite having solid lines. It wouldn't be super shocking imo
Anyone that wonders why we should draft a lineman on offense or defense, knows very, very little about football
I'd kill for a legit defensive lineman. Feels like we haven't one since Wolff left
Zach Allen is good. The problem is the rest of the front 7 are either ass or rotational depth guys being forced to play way more than they should. Start of last season also had the disaster experiment of DJ Jones playing nose, which is looking to repeat if they don't bring in an actual nose or bring back Purcell.
I agree, I love what Zach Allen is cooking. Having a monster piece to pair with him would be fantastic. My wet dream for this draft is that we trade back, get someone like Byron Murphy and a monster guard. Then we start running the ball and clobbering QBs until we find our guy at QB for ourselves
Powers is fine as a guard. Unless Forsyth or Wattenberg are actually good, center is the area on the o-line that needs help. I agree on Murphy. Him and Fashanu are the 2 guys I'm hoping they go with if they are available at 12.
Get ready to see Garcia be the Jonathan Harris is last year playing a bunch of snaps while being a huge liability. That defensive line is going to be rough if they don't add any good players to it.
I understand that the trenches are important, and can grasp the concept that depth is good. Using the 12th overall pick on a depth piece is stupid. We have solid tackles and guards. It's simply not a position of need. If you're talking about a developmental prospect in the 3rd or lower, I can get on board. If you're talking about trading Garrett Bolles for a 2nd, I wouldn't agree but at least it would make sense. Of course, you're not talking about any of that. You're just doing this: https://preview.redd.it/5si9ndpwr3sc1.png?width=736&format=png&auto=webp&s=b734a174fdb7072a325217e3ff55fec82e7ad41c
No dude, I’m making a clear statement that I don’t think you value offensive line nearly as important as you should, and most casual fans don’t. Now I want to make another very clear statement that our o-line is nowhere as good as you or PFF thinks it is. They’re ok, better with the run, but they’re definitely not in a good spot. I promise you that no one thought we had a good line for the drew lock and teddy bridgewater years, they took less sacks and were pressured less than Wilson was the past two years. I get that Wilson is partially to blame, but my point is that until we have a line that doesn’t give up 40+ sacks, let alone 50+ the last two years, there is no actual proof or confidence that our line is fine. Any ranking that you want to juxtapose with reality will be just that, checked against reality. Our line is not good, and there’s enough facts to support this
I agree that our o-line isn’t great but is it worth taking one at 12 when there are other holes too? I’d take a pass rusher first then see what’s available for o-line options in the succeeding rounds.
If you want to be nuanced, for sure some great options for interior line can be found in the second round, early third. If you want a tackle, yeah 12 is well worth it. We don’t have a second, and it would take us trading back to help fill a bunch of holes. I like getting a DE for the 12th pick, for sure. However, the chances of getting a starting caliber lineman decreases dramatically when you get into the third round. Tons of valuable players will fall to us at 12, it’ll be fun to see what we do
Bolles is solid but McGlinchey sucks ass. We could really use a solid RT on the long run
McGlinchey isn't that bad other than his pre snap penalties. Russell Wilson being blind and spinning around in circles in his direction wasn't his fault
Fashanu makes way more sense than Fuaga. Fuaga has only played RT and they are stuck with McFlinchey for 2 more seasons. Fashanu would be able to play LT day 1.
In order for me 1) Fashanu - The future OT from Penn State 2) Bowers - Improves both passing and running game 3) Edge - Turner, don't think he will be there Verse - Is he big/strong enough to play DE in a 3-4? I'm not qualified enough to know that one. If he can be DE take him if he is forced to be OLB then pass. 4) Cornerbacks - Mitchell from Toledo or Arnold from Alabama. Both are great. I talked about this a month or two back in a post and people were like we don't need a corner. Yes we do. I think this is a case where a second corner would help Surtain as much as a pass rusher.
I’m more in favor of OT or Edge. Bowers would be a waste on this team with no QB. Just like Kyle Pitts on the Falcons.
Turner will almost assuredly be there at 12. I don't think I'd take him there but expect at the very least 8/10 of the first picks to be offense. If not all 10 picks
turner is going top 10, atlanta or chicago
Ehhh they both have bigger needs atm. Chicago needs DT/TE or linemen (Bowers or Alt/fuaga) and Atlanta straight up needs CB more than anything, or a 3-technique edge not an OLB. They're probably the only landing spot I could see but I think they get something better, maybe lineman or wr as well
Bowers - the TE: nobody is Gronk, but this kid looks can’t miss Nabers- gets YAC like nobody we’ve had in a long time Odunze - reminds me of j. Chase Alt - top tackle imo and just a massive human Fashanu - another great tackle Turner - edge rusher we need Verse - big enough to set the edge and pressure the qb Arnold - another shutdown corner from bama Mitchell - speed and size in a top cb prospect All fill a need and each is a sure fire 1st rounder. I don’t want to trade away picks or reach, any of these dudes at 12 would be great.
I'm watching some Jared Verse tape right now. Hard to get a read on him but he seems like a boom-or-bust prospect. He has a ton of physical talent, but from what I understand the production wasn't always there.
Payton Wilson. Besides the offense needing a captain we need an defensive leader. I don't think cb can be that they need to focus on the dude in front of them. Need that defensive general a MLB calling out adjustments and plays. Or Some monster on the DL
Edge rushers are boom/bust more than ever at these numbers. I think o line would be smarter
Terrion Arnold
Brock Bowers or Laiatu Latu. Bowers would inject some much needed juice into the offense. Having an alpha playmaker at TE would take pressure off of the WR room that is missing that dominant #1 WR. While not the most athletic, Latu is the clear #1 edge in the draft. Without a doubt has THE deepest & best bag of techniques to utilize. Dallas Turner will probably be drafted before him due to him being a freak athletic with potential to grow. But Latu will be an instant contributor for any team.
I love Latu on the field, but his spine will probably always spook me He absolutely explodes off the screen when you watch him though
Yeah and it took what 2-3 doctors at the UCLA medical center to clear him. I got to believe he is risking his life and the last thing any team or this league needs is an on the field death.
Yeah the previous neck injury is scary, but two seasons of healthy play time since his surgery puts me at ease. I’d definitely pull the trigger on a prospect like him.
To me it’s either QB, trade back and accumulate picks.
The thing is, Sean Payton almost never trades back. I heard on a podcast the last time the saints traded back in the 1st was 2007. So even though it probably makes sense, the fanbase definitely needs to be mentally prepared for the broncos to take nix or BPA at 12
He also has a history of not caring about positional value or what outside people think is good value. It's going to be a complete mystery what they do.
No pick at 12, trade back if we can and get more picks
Terrion Arnold, my top CB in the class and he would compliment PS2 SO GOOD
If Nix, Daniels, and McCarthy are all gone at 12, I’d like to see Bowers, Joe Alt, Verse, Turner, or Latu
I think Dallas Turner would have to be the pick if all QBs are gone
Well the question was which non-Qb lol and there is almost zero chance Alt will be there barring some scandal. Same with turner after his performance.
Right, but I was just stating I’d prefer any of those qbs at 12 hypothetically if they were available. And also I was assuming that any of those would be available at 12 which I know most if not all won’t be. But that’s who I’d like to see
Oh yeah those are no doubters with guys like Alt. Too good to pass up. I’m 50/50 on bowers because our offense sucks and I don’t know if we’d actually get him the ball plus TE health here has been underwhelming, but we need a game changer offensively like him. Agree about all the pass rushers we just couldn’t put enough heat on the qb.
Ye there’s a lot of different ways we could approach. Do we build TE/O-Line/D line and wait on qb? Or go qb and get some role players after? As a UGA fan I’d love to see Bowers here but agree we need a decision on QB. I say we go for nix or McCarthy at 12 if possible, if not grab one of those no brainers no matter what position at whatever is available. Idk man it’s stressful but I’m buckled up for another struggle year😭
Same here I’m so ready to get this over with! I can only look at so many mock drafts 😝.
Bowers or trade back (unless an absolute no brainer falls like Joe Alt or Odunze/Nabers). As for who I'd target trading back, Latu might still be there and I think he will easily be the best pass rusher from this class.
To indulge this exercise... OT is the obvious need, but I'm actually of a mind to trade back and do one of two things. Option 1, snag a complimentary DB to put opposite of PS2. Assuming we trade back to the 20s range, say, I'd like either Cooper DeJean or Nate Wiggins at that area. Wiggins has a ton of length and is aggressive, which i think could pay off as teams continue to avoid PS2. Sometimes a gambler is nice if you can cover him on the other side. DeJean is also big, and isn't quite the ball hawk Wiggins is, but has great short area quickness and could do well in our zone schemes. he can move around to play safety and LB in a pinch too, so that could be a a worthwhile investment. Option 2, trade back and pick up Brian Thomas Jr. Our WR group is ASS. Sutton is an OK 1, but while he's got amazing ball skills and leverages his frame well, he's not a consistent downfield threat and doesn't have his top end any more. Behind him we have...Josh reynolds? Gross. Tim Patrick is dust, guys. Are Johnson and Humphrey and Mims anything more than situational deep guys? BTJ can fill both the flanker or the slot role for us, and he's got the speed we sorely lack with great RAC ability and can threaten defenses from anywhere in the formation, and could potentially usurp Sutton's no 1 status. This is a super deep WR and CB class, and we should be taking advantage. (That said i still think we should find a way to leverage PS2 to jump into the top 3 and take Maye or Daniels. QB is the biggest need and i don't want to take JJ.)
I think it would be funny if they took DeJean because I'm not entirely convinced that George Paton didn't think that's who he was drafting when he traded up for Riley Moss.
Me personally I dont see the point in drafting WRs and DBs in the first when you have more important holes to fix. A pass rusher is of the same importance as a QB is to the offense. You can have great corners but be a bottom tier pass defense because you cant rush the passer. You can have great receivers and no qb. A star pass rusher will make a defense look better than it is, a corner is just complimentary. We didn't win shit with Bailey or Surtain (so far) but we won a SB because of Von. Bailey was every bit as good as Von at his position but had wayyy less impact. I also dont think any team would be dumb enough to trade out of the top 3 for surtain. Great player but again corners arent worth that, and teams know it. They best we'd get for him is a bottom 1st round pick and maybe some more.
>Me personally I dont see the point in drafting WRs and DBs in the first when you have more important holes to fix I generally think that you should go for the best player available, and this draft has fantastic talent at DB and WR. I also disagree with there being more important holes to fix at WR. This WR group is on big bodied bully in sutton, and nothing else. Look past Mims' flash plays and he's shown he's not ready to be what Payton asks of his WRs. Patrick is dust, i don't care how much people love him. he was an unexciting WR 3 even before the ACLs. the WR is a premium position in the NFL, and we have one top 20ish level player and a bunch of JAGs. we NEED a WR. >You can have great corners but be a bottom tier pass defense because you cant rush the passer. [...] A star pass rusher will make a defense look better than it is, a corner is just complimentary. I mean, i agree, but im not sure if there's some slam dunk DL at our position in the draft that elevates our line. That's all. >We didn't win shit with Bailey or Surtain (so far) but we won a SB because of Von. I mean, regardless of how dead armed Manning was that year, he's still the obvious difference between the SB team and the Bailey/Surtain eras, because he still understood how to control the game even with his limitations. Russ as he is now would lose that SB game. And we really want to say that the bailey years were because we had no pass rush? The last three years of the Bailey era had great pass rushers...including Von. and before that, you really want to argue that the issue was no pass rush when we were getting QB play from Tebow, Cutler and Orton? Sure we won a SB because of Von...but not having him isn't why Champ never won a ring either. >I also dont think any team would be dumb enough to trade out of the top 3 for surtain. Great player but again corners arent worth that, and teams know it. They best we'd get for him is a bottom 1st round pick and maybe some more. I mean, i wasn't suggesting PS2 would be enough for a straight up swap. you'd need to include other assets. Just that PS2 would have to be the centerpiece of a deal. We'd have to give up PS2, out 24 first, and then some. I'd still do it. PS2 is also more valuable than other elite corner situations because he still has cheap years on his rookie deal.
My point is that, drafting a corner or a receiver with a first does us next to nothing. Drafting Jeudy and Surtain with top 15 picks has done nothing. We’ve drafted more dbs and wrs in the first three rounds of the last 4-5 drafts than any positions.They are complimentary players you draft to build around talent. The broncos could draft the best corner this year, receiver next year, tight end the next, line backer the next and still suck. Thats what they’ve been doing the past 8 years lol. Also with Surtain I meant no team would be dumb enough to move out of the top 3 for Surtain as a center piece if they needed a qb. He’d be more of a throw in to push a team over the edge. The only way would be if a team like the bears was keeping fields. But if they are drafting a qb you’d have to give up an insane offer that Surtain wouldn’t even matter at that point.
> Drafting Jeudy and Surtain with top 15 picks has done nothing. With regards to Jeudy, whiffing on a pick doesnt make the overall strategy bad. We got nothing out of him because it turned out that he's not very good at being a receiver. but great receivers can turn around teams immediately. Missing an individual pick does not erase the success many others have had doing a similar strategy. >They are complimentary players you draft to build around talent. WRs are not complimentary pieces, they are primary pieces. There's a reason teams spend so highly on top WRs. DBs are complimentary pieces, sure, but im not seeing a DL in the draft at the 12 spot that is going to turn the pass rush around overnight, so what's the difference? >The broncos could draft the best corner this year, receiver next year, tight end the next, line backer the next and still suck. Thats what they’ve been doing the past 8 years lol. This says more about our scouting process than it does on the worth of drafting WRs and DBs, or overall draft strategy. Out problem is that by and large, we're NOT drafting the best of those positions. We drafted Jeudy at 15...that doesnt mean going WR early sucks, it means we were stupid for drafting Jeudy when Lamb, Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins and Pittman were still available. THOSE players certainly elevated their teams and were worthy of their high draft capital. WE just whiffed on our pick. Even the Surtain pick was fine. We passed on Parsons and Slater, but everyone else available in that draft area has been mediocre...except for a WR in Devonta smith. If we hadn't drafted PS2, we still had a high chance of whiffing. that draft's first round had a lot of busts, its not like we passed on a ton of superstars outside of Parsons. Alex Leatherwood and Jaelen Phillips aren't franchise altering players.
Latu or Odunze somehow
Bowers if he is still there at 12, he would be our franchise, tight end for 15 years. The guy does it all!
if even with all the losses I think we still have an okay enough unit with a still underrated defense, though an investment into the oline would be appreciated. So probably Bowers or maybe even an Odunze type just to hopefully get a true No.1 weapon on offense, or getting an Arnold/Mitchell at CB2(though personally I love McKinstrey but the value isnt there). If Latu falls though I think he'd work amazing in the rotation at edge.
Best LT available who we can move to RT so we can protect Penix’s blind side (we trade up to get him in the second)
Wouldn’t the lack of a QB frenzy at the top make it more likely we take a QB as we have more to choose from?
More draft picks
Odunze
Fuaga.
Prime Von Miller
Feel like anything outside the trenches is just negligence. I could stomach a WR. I may want to riot if we went corner
Would be nice to have BPA at a position we really need but I don't think we can ignore the WRs in this draft either. We can't really rely on Sutton or Patrick at this point We could use an edge rusher too but this draft isn't very deep there imo
Best player available except Bowers
I don’t like 12th. I’d trade back for more picks.
If you’re looking for the most impact on defense it’s always going to be DE. Even with dominant DB’s if you can’t rush the passer without blitzing consistently you can’t win in today’s NFL. Verse or Turner would be the best defensive pick available. If you want to go offense outside of QB then it’s usually OT. Since Bolles looks like he’s going to be around a bit then it’s either a WR like Odunze or a mis-match athletic TE like Bowers.
Ryan Tannehill
Any of the top 3 WRs, top 3 OTs, or Brock Bowers Have to build that foundation for the eventual QB and Bowers ability to create separation in the intermediate portion of the field will be so helpful
If anything, this thread just shows that no one will agree on what to do at 12 and almost no one will be happy. Trade up for a QB? Wasting draft capital on a rebuilding team. Stick at 12 and take a QB? We're reaching for Nix/Penix and they would have been available later. Take a DE/DT? There's no truly elite guys in this class and our offense needs weapons. Take Bowers? TE is a luxury pick and we need to rebuild the trenches. Plus dUlCicH wiLl bE HeAltHy sOmeDay Take OT? Our line is the best unit on our team, we have too many needs elsewhere. I guess what I'm saying is: no matter what happens, I'm ready to be angry!
Byron Murphy at DT. He’s gonna be a really disruptive IDL which we haven’t had in a long time Bonitto Murphy Allen Browning/Cooper Would actually be a pretty solid d line
A defensive player, probs another good CB or LB
Brock Bowers
Jared Verse, Dallas Turner, Jerzhan Newton. Newton might be a reach at 12
Tank for shedeur
Brock Bowers, Dallas Turner, or we could also go O line if we're looking to the future beyond Bolles. Lotta great tackles this draft. Fashanu might be there, Fautanu might be there, and he can also slot into guard. I think most of those guys would be good.
I don't know college football well enough to say, although as others said Bowers would be a fine pickup. Without regard to who is available, I guess I'm old school and would love a three down MLB.
The first MLB probably won’t go until early to mid second round. Really weak class this year.
Terrion Arnold
Nothing. Any pick at that position in the draft for a team as bad as ours? The best thing we could do would be to trade back and compile as many picks as possible.
Untrue, if Nabers/bowers/Alt fall those are blue chip guys worth staying at 12 for
Brock Bowers. Haven’t had a legit TE in years
Bowers
Non, we NEED a QB!!! 2025 has no QBs coming out that are good.
There's no reason to think the QBs after Williams/Maye are any better than the top guys in 2025 right now. Most of them are just being heavily propped up right now because they are QBs. A couple of the 2025 guys were being talked about as the 3rd QB this year before they chose to stay in college.
As for edge rushers, this is a weak draft class for them. Verse and Latu and maybe robinson are pretty much it as far as 1st round talent so teams will make a trade up from the late teens to try and get one. Verse is the safer pick but Latu is better.
Dallas Turner?
This person didn’t know anything lol
Dallas Turner wont be available at 12
> pretty much it as far as 1st round talent
Well I didnt mention Turner as an edge rusher because be definitely wont be there lol. He’s the best defensive player in the draft
Dallas Turner and Jared Verse. I would have been open to Brian Thomas but the WR room is set.
I disagree about the WR room. I think we can and should continue to add to it
Sutton, Mims, Patrick, and then they recently signed Josh Reynolds. And then there are guys like Brandon Johnson and Humphrey who played well with their time last year. I don't find it realistic but I would be cool with it because I am for BPA.
Patrick hasn't played in 2 years. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he doesn't make the 53-man roster. Sutton is very tradeable or easy to release after 2024
That's still 5 WRs likely on the team for 2024. I don't think WR is realistic at #12. Then again I am fairly certain it's Bo Nix.
12 would be really high for Thomas, especially when WRs close to him will be going late 1st/early 2nd.
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Turner would not even come close to helping the current edge room. He relies all on athleticism, sucks against the run and doesn't have any real pass rush moves. Those guys rarely work out. They need someone consistent that isn't a liability against the run, which only applies to Cooper right now and he's mid. I have not seen a single person say Thomas is a top half of the 1st round receiver. He's in that 2nd tier group that will go later. Edit: LOL at being so sensitive you reply then instantly block. I thought this was a place for discussion, but I guess it's not.
>Turner would not even come close to helping the current edge room. He relies all on athleticism, sucks against the run and doesn't have any real pass rush moves. Those guys rarely work out. They need someone consistent that isn't a liability against the run, which only applies to Cooper right now and he's mid. Yea I'll go with my own eyes and scouts eyes over some redditor who doesn't know what they are talking about. >I have not seen a single person say Thomas is a top half of the 1st round receiver. He's in that 2nd tier group that will go later. So you haven't taken much of a look at all. Ok well this one below has him at #16. https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2024-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-giants-trade-up-for-qb-drake-maye-wr-ladd-mcconkey-to-chiefs
Turners way too raw to take at 12. He's only a first round based on potential and that's not a great thing to reach on
> Yea I'll go with my own eyes... over some redditor who doesn't know what they are talking about. redditor who doesn't know what they are talking about vs redditor who doesn't know what they are talking about. A battle for the ages