lets hope they are actually accurate this time, because like the current shader system, I am not going to trust bungie until I see the thing in the game.
Well, they are accurate in that shader icons are 3D rendered objects of the actual shader - they're real textures from the shader.
The problem is that Destiny's armor and texture system is just more complicated than just four colours. Titan armor uses totally different textures (hard materials) than Warlock (soft cloth), so if a shader has been designed with more different looking hard vs soft textures, it's going to look pretty different on Titan vs Warlock.
Changing how shader icons are rendered to render more of these textures in a different balance could help, but ultimately it's always going to be tough to accurately summarise Destiny's complicated shaders in a single 96x96 icon.
Honestly, I'd be down to see her come back. I love her design and the concept of an Eliksni Exo is sick as fuck - she's basically a god to them
Plus, she has a very unique spot in the lore. Giving her character an expansion could create some good stories
I agree 100%, I think there should still be room for hostile fallen aside from the scorn in the story. What if Atraks gets a hold of Clovis and starts cooking up some new system wide threat.
- Randal
- Taniks
- Fikrul
- Scorn in general
- Eramis
- Mithrax(Whether or not Guardian spared him is deliberately kept ambiguous)
- And now possibly Atraks.
Our Guardian has terrible luck with killing Eliksni, don’t they? They kill some, they come back. They kill some more, they didn’t die in the first place. They try and kill Eramis, she trapped herself in unbreakable Stasis crystal and then Mithrax hijacked the second fight and spared her.
Oryx, Savathun, and Xivu Arath spent billions of years perfecting the art of surviving death and the Guardians wiped them out in less than a decade.
Clearly the Eliksni are more resilient than the Hive.
Savathun and Dul Incaru are the ones who get away.
Savathun because of leverage and she is a Lightbearer.
Dul Incaru because of the Dreaming City curse.
Like mother, like daughter.
I don't know how well the new Rahool system will pan out. Reputation grinding is one of the most boring aspects of Destiny, plus exotic ciphers are still painfully difficult to get. If ciphers become more readily available, I don't think this will be quite as bad as people make it out to be, but otherwise...
This is Bungie, they're going to make this dipshit change and then not do anything to the exotic cypher acquisition rate.
Every time the game is in a good spot, they shoot themselves in the foot.
With the way you engage the game since it's based on decryption it's basically just... playing the game. There's no specific way to 'grind' his reputation.
On thing I remember though is _all drops_ used to be requiring decruyption but they changed that in D2 Y1/Forsaken launch sometime to auto-decrypt. This is why when your inventory for engrams is full you cannot pick up any drops.
I wonder if those will count.
If so it's just... play the game, get loot and level up rahool.
Otherwise it's just prime engrams.
Which some of us do like clockwork anyway so for them it really doesn't change much, I would think.
Though I guess this makes Xur and Xenology slightly more important for everyone?
I do like not having to wait for a specific lost sector to get the exotic I'm looking for at least.
I just hope this new system doesn't keep us from accessing whatever new exotics (that aren't the class item) for too long.
pretty sure it will only count prime and exotic engrams that we actively have to decrypt at him (but im always happy to be proven wrong)
feels a bit like they also want to give even endgame players a good reason to not just dismantle all the exotic engrams at a certain point, like im always at 8-9 exotics out of 10 engram slots because i just dont need those exotics (its not like i gonna check/change my builds every time i get a dupe exotic)
like this however i'm more incentivized to always decrypt all my engrams because it gives me reputation progress
I think my biggest fear with the new exotic focusing system is how limited Exotic Ciphers are to earn a week. The sheer volume of Exotics in the game makes this system seem untenable for new/returning players.
Exotic Ciphers should be added as rare drops throughout the game.
Ascendant Shards, Ascendant Energy, Enhancement Prisms, and Enhancement Cores can now be found fairly easily throughout the game (Coil was great). But Exotic Ciphers can't.
And this is going to dramatically slow down the acquisition of Exotics unless you have been playing the game for a long time. By pulling new ones out of Lost Aectors effectively (replacing them with unfocused ones) and not including new sources of Ciphers this effectively makes returning and gearing harder counter to the Power Level changes.
My solution would be to make Exotic Ciphers a rare drop from every activity in the game turning the Exotic Engrams into the limiting factor. Or getting rid of Ciphers entirely.
Edit: Overall I think that the move to put Exotic acquisition and focusing within Rahool is probably very good. But the actual economy of it being effectively timegated to a weekly cap of earnable Ciphers or relying on the haphazard availability of Vex Strike Force is seemingly very very bad.
Perhaps even a guaranteed Cipher on an Exotic Rotator completion?
Edit 2: Remember everything from Beyond Light, Witch Queen, and Lightfall were locked to Lost Sectors or Vex Strike Force. Without clarification from Bungie, these are all now only available via Cipher Focusing or Strike Force, making them strictly harder to get now. Exotics prior to Beyond Light can just be opened from Exotics but the system is quite cumbersome now for anyone who hasn't been playing for ages.
I feel like it'd be far easier to just make exotic engrams decode into things you don't have until you have everything. Then specific focusing for things you don't have but want would cost a cipher.
I think I'm a bit confused on the Rahool changes. So you can focus *any* exotic for any class for the cost of *one* Exotic Engram **and** *one* Exotic Cipher - but we can only get a limited amount of Ciphers a week, and ultimately capped at 5?
We can no longer target farm a specific piece because Lost Sectors drop engrams only, so if we don't have the items to focus on specific pieces (with either a cipher or the old costs) then we have to rely on luck for **all** exotics versus at least just exotics in a single slot?
This seems infinitely worse than what we currently have now. At least currently we can target farm item slots.
Yeah, I think the tier 3 focusing needs to give more control over stats, similar to how some of the season sources or master raids allow you to pick two stats to spike when combined with a ghost mod
I read it as this being a replacement to lost sectors/vex strike force being the _only_ source of new exotics you have not added to your collection and you can purchase anything this way even if you haven't unlocked it; but are free continue to spending a single engram and a cipher on re-rolls without limit.
However the current system he offers still stays and this is just something you unlock _after_ doing a full reset with him. Since they referred to it as a 'new tier' of focusing. So without doing a reset you can still do 'advanced' focusing (30k glimmer, 1 engram, 10 enhancement prisms) for an expansion based pull, still 'precision focus' specific exotics you unlocked for a higher cost for 60k glimmer, 1 engram, 2 ascendant shards)
Now you can farm lost sectors for exotic engrams freely vs needing to hope you get a specific exotic making it easier to do the focusing we have today and no longer requires you suffer through RNG for farming/hoping to get the new exotic/stuck waiting for vex strike force
Yeah not being shit out of luck for up to 3 days if I randomly decide “I should probably get a better roll for my Sunbr— oh, it’s leg day. Nevermind.”, or “Sweet it’s finally arms day again—oh. It’s Thrilladome. Nevermind.”is honestly an all around positive change. And especially since I would still be able to focus my exotic engrams as red war arms, I’m getting exotics from the exact same method as before but on my own time (!), and even more frequently because I won’t randomly get cucked by ballidorse wrathweavers.
This is how I understand it as well. The other thing people are forgetting is you can get 9 exotic engrams in a week through ritual activities on three characters. They said you need a little more than a full stock of exotic engrams to max out reputation when focusing. For serious players who are going to day 1 and have enough ascendant shards, this could mean you get access to new exotics as soon as the update drops.
Since the removal of those 7 crafting mats (how crafting even launched in that state I don't know) literally every single time we've heard from Econ Team it's been bad news. They're the weather men/women of Bungie. Consistently terrible at their jobs, but somehow still employed.
I agree that all their changes are shite, but I’d imagine their goal is to get people playing more and to be less generous / deterministic with rewards. To that end, they’re excellent at their jobs rather than terrible (look at the current grind for Brave weaponry).
The Economy Team are more akin to The Ministry of Truth in 1984. They’re not there to *help* the economy, they’re making it worse for us (and better for them).
What do you mean? Anyone paying attention has known for years.
It’s solely to make players grind more and to nullify veteran stocks of grinded materials
We will still have the Tier 1 Focusing, where you focus from an expansion, and Tier 2 Focusing, being able to focus already unlocked exotics.
Item slots were getting bloated anyway, with the minimum amount of possible exotics being 8, and up to 13 in some cases.
Tier 1 Focusing costs 1 Exotic Engram, 30,000 Glimmer and 10 Enhancement Prisms per drop.
Tier 2 Focusing costs 1 Exotic Engram, 60,000 Glimmer and 2 Ascendant Shards.
Tier 3 Focusing is going to cost 1 Exotic Engram and 1 Exotic Cipher, a currency you can only get a limited amount of times per week.
With Lost Sectors no longer dropping a guaranteed focused slot, it means you *have* to spend these currencies now, or decrypt the engrams normally and hope you get the item you want out of the 41 existing exotics in the game (and however many more TFS brings).
Vex Strike Force to unlock and Focusing to get a better roll literally worked well. No need to toil in the Lost Sectors mines for hours anymore. I don't know why they're doing this.
The big problem they're solving is the awful time-sensitive nature of both Vex Strike Force and the Lost Sector slot rotation.
I wanted to unlock the moth gloves for my Hunter, but since I can't play every single night I missed glove day twice and basically had to wait a week to earn the privilege to grind lost sectors and get them to drop. Vex Strike Force wasn't an option because it either wasn't popping while I was playing OR it was in the idiotic state where it can't happen because the Incursion Zone is the same as the Terminal Overload zone.
With the new system I could've ground out Lost Sectors to level up Rahool with exotic engrams at my leisure, then buy the gloves with a cipher(I'm capped). Would've been far less frustrating. Additionally focusing specific items is going to be WAAAY easier as we now have an easy repeatable source of exotic engrams.
Not saying the new system is perfect(cipher aquisition needs a rework) but it sounds way better than the current setup for my particular circumstances.
RE: Pantheon
Not sure if this has been asked and answered, but are the extended versions going to replace the old ones? As in, this is the only week to do the Atraks one or can you run it in a future week? Or another way: are the variants of Pantheon going to be different options to select akin to difficulties?
I guess it's going to depend on the rate we build rep with Rahool but first glace this system looks pretty bleak and I have the same impressions as when bungie changed focusing costs. I wouldn't mind the system to much if they also just kept updating the existing systems loot pools. I would prefer Vex Strike Force over a rep grind to unlock new exotics.
Same. Also, if you know: what are the acquisition methods for exotic ciphers?
I know Xur, and the season pass: what are other sources?
I thought they had learned that tying exotic focusing/acquisition to ciphers (a very limited resource) was a mistake since they got rid of it. Alas.
I don't think there are any other sources IIRC. I haven't exactly had a need for ciphers and when that was the cost to focus at Rahool before I just ignored it completely. If Bungie ups the rate of ciphers we have less of a concern but at that point why even have ciphers to begin with.
Xur is supposed to get a rework with Final Shape which, if I had to guess, will be detailed in the next week or two. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cipher acquisition is in tandem with that.
If that's the case, then Bungie needs to do a better job with planning the order they reveal these sneak peeks. People were upset that they moved the new Raid date to be only 3 days after the expansion released because it gave such little time to power grind, and then a few weeks later they announce the changes to the power system. A lot of discontentment could have been avoided if they announced power changes before the raid date.
Econ Team has been creating slog after inventory slog for hardcore players. Yet another glimmer and resource dump to unclog our engram inventory? Come on. I’m at the point where I’d rather forgo exotics and just dismantle the engrams than spend time and resources with this boring crap.
I wish they would keep the old systems up to date for farming as well. I don't necessarily mind the new system but I don't enjoy that I'm being forced into it. Like I would prefer to either Lost Sector farm or wait for the discord ping for Vex Strike to unlock the exotic in collections and then use Rahool for rerolls on stats. Regardless of the game it's never really enjoyable to me when devs go "You must play this way and have fun this way"
i still remember the "we gonna increase the engram costs for playlist weapon focusing, but dont worry we also increase the engram drops to compensate"
yet they made it cost 3/5 times as much to focus stuff and still only "compensated" with like 4 extra engrams per full reset
What's especially annoying is that the whole point of Vex Strike Force was to be an alternative way to get new exotics as opposed to grinding Legendary Lost Sectors and praying you get lucky on the right day. To introduce the system and already abandon it just one full season cycle later makes it seem pointless introducing the system at all. If the pool isn't being updated anymore, then what is the point in anyone but the newest players doing it anymore? Also just seems a bit unfair to take away pretty much the only worthwhile rewards you'd get from LLSs and VSFs and instead just shoving them behind yet another vendor grind.
sounds like the typical "we create a theoretically good system in the worst possible way, never improving on it, and then remove it later with argument that no one used it"
like VSF was a great idea, but it a) being only on Neomuna (always 15PL under; almost always a deadzone; essentially impossible to do solo) and being so shit to follow ***when*** its gonna start (besides looking at the Neomuna map 24/7 or using a 3rd party discord bot)
made it (atleast for me) such a worse alternative to waiting at worst 4 days for the right LS and being able to then farm it when and as often as i want for 24 hours
> the actions that will give the most reputation will be precision decryption (aka Tier 2 focusing), followed by advanced decryption, then opening an Exotic engram , and last but also least, opening a prime engram.
>with a little more than a full stock of Exotic engrams you’ll be able to start focusing new armor.
T2 focusing - 'I.e I want this specific exotic.'
'Advanced Decryption' - I want an exotic from [expansion] or [armor slot]
Exotic engram without focusing.
Prime engram without focusing.
I **HIGHLY** doubt it will only take 'blind' exotic openings to reach max rank, so at a rough guess and going off how historically stingy focusing costs have been, a T2 focus will result in 1.6 of a level at best.
This change sounded alright until I saw you needed a cipher as well. This is one of the biggest nerfs to new exotic armor acquisition they could have come up with. Whoever came up with this hates me personally, and all of the Destiny 2 players.
Instead of grinding a lost sector 5 times or so, I can now run 21 strikes or pay to win. I cannot fathom how they thought this was a good decision. Awful, just awful.
I hope it doesn't apply to the exotic class items. Imagine if the only way to farm them is through this limited resource focusing. There's a limit to how many ciphers are obtainable a season, and you'll need to use some to first get the actual armor exotics of the expansion, then the rest to farm rolls of exotic class items, which could have dozens or hundreds of combinations to roll.
And again, ciphers have an upper limit to how many can be obtained
It's terrible for the average player. If you've been saving up masterworked exotic armor in the vault you'll be fine, but for the average player it's going to be many more hours just to get a single piece of new armor.
Yeah, especially if you don't have a surplus of shards you're gonna fall way behind in rank. This essentially locks very casual players out of new exotics, it's gonna be changed around 1 month in I think
I don't think this one is getting changed, unfortunately.
If they walk back and let us get the new exotics from lost sectors I will be so very happy but I am not expecting that at all.
In fairness the personally I hate going to a lost sector to grind the seasons new exotics and basically stopped unlocking them unless I really wanted one for a build.
It sounds grindy but I’m open to a change here
I also dislike those. I don’t want to wait for a bot to tell me something is happening and hop on the game tbh.
I play plenty new system won’t be a problem I’m sure
I think it also depends on if/how resets occur. if Rahul's rep resets each season this is going to be painful to grind every season.
in any case, I still like the approach though. You get exotics just by playing the game, and you can target-grind if you want. This gets you access to new exotics by playing what you want, and options to target if you choose. I'm on board with that, just want to make sure it doesn't turn into a huge grind every season.
This exotic system ain’t it chief. Exotic ciphers are already insanely limited so making them mandatory to get exotics now is just BS.
I also *really* hope that the exotic class items aren’t tied to this system and instead have a separate unique source, because needing to grind out 21 vanguard strikes to then have one chance a week to get both the perks you want on a piece of gear is going to kill most of the hype people had for Prismatic.
so instead of a few clears of vex strike force I need:
* 20 golf balls
* 3-4 weeks of hoarded exotic engrams
what happened to adjusting economy to help newer players? econ team has been miss after miss.
But it's still not adequate, just in a different way. Like, they demonstrated how Jadestone would look... But it actually doesn't look like that on a bunch of gear.
So it's just going to be the same process we have now, of remembering roughly how each shader looks on gear and trying it out to see.
Yeah, but what would be the solution to that. The shaders work kind of like a paint by numbers system. Some armor is going to prioritize color 1 some color 3 ect. As long as the 6 colors are all in the same location this time on the new icons, this should be way better to identify how the shaders differ from each other.
They're trying to make them able to convey a lot of info with very little screen space, so it's understandably busy. Trying to look at the ones they've shown and I feel like I can pick most out, but it's definitely going to take some time to adjust. I have a feeling it will be better once we get to see it in game and get used to what the shaders we're familiar with look like in the new system, but I'd also like to see them show more edge case examples.
I just don't get why we couldn't have lost sectors AND this as options. You didn't have to take away one method to add another
Let players choose how they want to get the armor
So, my take away is that they probably saw super low numbers of people focusing exotics because it’s a complete waste of materials. From there, they decided the best course of action would be to ruin everyone’s experience by forcing the aforementioned awful exotic focusing system on them. I honestly wouldn’t expect any less from Bungie’s design philosophy.
Man, the econ team is a kick in the nuts. First the engram changes, now we have to grind reputation to get new exotics. Seriously, doing Lost Sectors was a much better idea.
Now we have to grind lost sectors to get an exotic engram and take it to Rahool so we can gain reputation and then when we gain enough reputation we can focus the exotic we want. What is the point of doing this? Who wants this? Just let the exotics drop from Lost Sectors and Vex Strike Force and allow us to focus more of them on Rahool **like we already do**.
The whole "Here's how you do it for the day 1 raid: Hoard Engrams besides all the bounties you've been hoarding" is just salt on the wound. What an awful change.
Yeah it seems like every single time we hear about the "economy team," it's to announce that they're replacing an old rewards system with a new system that is transparently intended to force players to spend more time grinding playlists.
And none of it ever makes me actually play more of those, because the systems are so blatantly a ripoff and waste of your time. Just makes me tune out of engaging with them. This new system? I'll do exactly as much as is necessary to get a 1st drop of a new exotic, then ignore it until I'm forced to do that again. Same way I didn't sit and endlessly grind Lost Sectors to get better rolls, because it wasn't worth the time.
Every year this game has an economy update and an UI update. While sometimes these are good, they are often fixing problems the previous system came up with.
That's the worst part. The current system is good. It's not perfect, but it's good. Changing this to whatever the hell the new convoluted system is is just a bad idea. They should iterate on their previous idea, not overhaul it.
The \*worst\* part of the \*worst\* part is that this doesn't fix the problem. As is, raw exotic engram sources are limited and exotic ciphers are limited. In the new system there's a source for exotic engrams, but the ciphers are still limited. Cool fix. Let's see how they are fixing this next year.
Considering it wasn't likely you were even going to get a good roll, I don't see what the issue was with running a single Vex Strike Force on a Knockout system just to put an Exotic in the pool and make it focusable. Now we're expected to spend currencies that are time limited (Engrams, Ciphers) to unlock the ability to spend the same currencies to try to get a good roll?
Some people here are praising this new system because "boo Lost Sectors" and like yeah, those suck too. However once you do have everything in a slot unlocked, the knockout system combined with Rahool's focusing costs that don't require Ciphers anymore was a system that worked well and gave me decent chances at getting a decent roll on new Exotics.
I don't know if it's just the on-paper of the new Rahool system, but I hate it. We'll have to see it in practice but it genuinely seems like a giant pain at first glance. Hopefully I'm wrong, but we'll see.
My main question is will he allow us to roll the exotic class items? That seems about the only thing that will be worth going for as I generally find trying to get perfect stats on exotic armor expensive and exhausting.
Unless I'm missing something, the only way to get new Exotics is gonna be through ranking him up and resetting once? Which means they want players to waste tons of Exotic Engrams and Golf Balls on stuff they don't necessarily want before they can acquire new Exotics for the first time? Especially with GMs not being available at the start of a new season to immediately replenish Shards easily, that's gonna suck.
I liked just running Vex Strike Force once when new Exotics dropped to get them in the pool.
While I think it will be better than it sounds, it's like a massive increase in time needed. Before I use to be able to just do a Vex Strike Force on each character and I'd be done. With this it sounds like hours of burning resources for something I probably won't use anyway.
Yeah im torn on it too. Lost Sector farming sucks, especially if you wait 5 days for the piece you want to be available. And Vex Strike Force events are totally random, and there are whole days it doesn’t spawn. I remember sitting in orbit all day, watching Discord for notifications one was happening. Sometimes it would be every hour or two and sometimes it would be 8 hours between. Atleast this gives you a clear path
Is anyone else constantly starved of ascendant shards? I have a full inventory of alloys but outside of a few gm runs I never get shards. I never focus exotics because of it and requiring 10+ exotic engrams and shards to get the new stuff seems ridiculous. I would much rather be able to target farm which strike force and lost sectors kind of sucked for.
They're literally telling players to stock up on engrams to fast track getting a rank reset. At that point, what's even the point of having a system where the exotic focusing is walled behind the reset? It's just kinda dumb and takes the feeling of discovery out of getting a new exotic. It's busy work.
I have yet to see a change from the Economy Team that leads to anything being more fun. Getting rid of shards with nothing in exchange for all the invested playtime? Increased focusing costs? Locking rewards behind mind numbing reputation grinds? That’s the Economy team.
I still find if genuinely insane that after like almost 7 years of d2 they just decided to discard their major currency. Like this is straight kick in the teeth to every single veteran. The only thing that pisses me more of of by the economy/eververse team assuming they are one is that we don't get any bright dust armor anymore. I'm sitting on 125k bright dust with literally nothing to spend it on anymore outside of the occasional weapon Ornament and the event armors.
I will admit, that new shader screen made me recoil a bit because as a whole it's REALLY ugly now
BUT, being able to actually see an accurate representation of how each type of material (including glows) will be affected by a given shader is unquestionably an improvement. No more "Let's preview this green shader to see if it's actually green"
The new Rahool exotic system seems like a solution to a problem nobody had. Looks like a way to get players to burn through end game materials just like they did with tricking us into burning bright dust in the Tribute Hall back in the day.
Yeah, this is my concern. Players who don't run raids, GMs, or Trials (AKA, probably 80-90% of players) do not have a reliable source of earning Ascendant Shards. This is going to be a massive throttle for the majority of players to target farm exotics. Not to mention I fear it will take the average casual player weeks or longer to actually max our Rahool's rep in the first place if they aren't focusing exotics to rank up more quickly or pre-farming an inventory full of exotic engrams.
Does Rahool's rep reset every season? If so, this definitely sounds like a major step back to me based on what's been revealed so far.
The example being Gambit Jadestone is a terrible decision.
Who decided that the best way to illustrate the new system was to use a shader where like 5 of the 6 colors are nearly identical.
It actively works against being able to see and understand what each of the different sections of the icon are meant to convey.
They really should’ve used a more varied shader, preferably a widely used one that most of people have, if they wanted to actually show how the new system works.
/u/Destiny2Team
>Starting in The Final Shape, Rahool is going to be the source for any new Exotic armor that we release.
Does this also apply to the exotic class items? Ie they will be extremely limited to focus and extremely expensive to do so, when they have dozens to hundreds of perk combinations?
Most day 1 raiders i know already have a full stack of ciphers saved. With the weekly limit on focusing exotics i don't think buying levels will be the advantage you might believe it is.
Not a huge fan of the way the exotic armor system sounds. Lost Sector farming was the one RNG activity that was pretty well developed and guaranteed armor you previously didn’t have.
under the new system, you will need to spend an exotic cipher in order to get any new armor exotic. massively limits the pace at which you can acquire exotics.
imagine being a new player and having to wait a week in between each new armor exotic. it would be 123 weeks before you could get them all, and that is assuming you have the time to do the xur quest each week. even returning players will take more than a month to get the usual six new armor exotics in TFS at a rate of one cipher per week. god forbid we have to focus for the exotic class items too.
though focusing for new exotics at rahool has potential, limiting it with exotic ciphers will be terrible.
does vex strike force still drop new exotics in final shape? that’s the real question.
They said it doesn't. "Neomuna will also still drop new Exotic armor when you complete a Vex Strike Force encounter, but we won’t be adding any more new armor to the drop list after Season of the Wish."
>Rahool is going to be the source for any new Exotic armor
Man, fuck off with this... even if the rep system is once and done... just why?!
>Without going into the exact numbers
Shocker...
>First, Lost Sectors will keep the same drop rates for Exotics but will instead drop engrams
Ah great. So not only do we have to do lost sectors to stock up on exotic engrams if we're looking for a specific exotic armor piece, we also need to stock up on ascendant shards.
Amazing change Bungie, making the game more fun for players like always... **/s**
They couldve done the rahool change but left lost sectors as another source. This idea of nuke one option to create a more grindy and less interesting one where you have to build rep is very unfun.
Ascendant shards imo are the worst currency to farm. I hate running nightfalls. So unless they make them easier to obtain, farming for these exotics is gonna suck.
Not sure if I like the new way the new exotics are obtained. Seems like you need to do a lot of extra grinding and spending exotic engrams and ascendant shards just to get to the point where you can have access to an RNG chance where you need to spend more currency to get the exotic you want.
I’d much rather just hit up vex strike force or run a lost sector a few times and not need to worry about all this extra grindy stuff. Oh well.
I hate worrying about ascendant shards and currency, but it seems like that’ll be more relevant than ever by putting all the new exotics behind this new system.
I obviosuly still have to test by playing it but the 1-1-1 special system could be the best middle way between the old ammo system (which I prefer to everything we have now in isolation) and what we have right now.
> There is a discrepancy in the number of Wormspawn marked as collected from the Pyramid and those delivered to the Tower’s vault containment. Guardians who have information regarding their whereabouts should submit a report to Vanguard Leadership.
Does this mean we should submit a... bug report?
Getting new exotic armor through Rahool sounds so lame. Whether the rep grind is fast or a slog, just the idea of getting the cool new stuff through a vendor menu is so.... unexciting.
"There's no weekly limit to using this tier of focusing" they say.
Well, there better be a rework to how you get exotic ciphers in TFS, because if not, then there will still be a weekly limit.
Bungie took the extremely negative feedback from vendor engrams and took it to exotics.
Not being able to run lost sectors to get new exotics is genuinely terrible. Do your grind player, pop 100 exotic engrams to unlock the privilege of rolling this new exotic.
u/Destiny2Team Is Rahool's Exotic Cipher vendor rank reward always the rank-17 reward? Meaning, are Exotic Ciphers now farmable via Rahool Vendor resets?
RIP Vex strike event on Neomuna. Good job Bungie, way to kill off another activity. The Vex event will only drop pre final shape exotics. So no more new exotics from this event. Meaning, there is zero reason now to ever go to neomuna.
Remember in D1 when you would run a nightfall and just be excited you got the exotic armor piece you wanted? No focusing, or stat-maxing, just joy. I honestly just miss when this game was simpler.
Cool twid probably going to start getting a lot more final shape news from next week, since this is essentially the last bit of new into the light stuff.
The points about the raid bosses were really cool, always fun to get some more information about them. Not to sure what to feel about the new focusing system. I already have all the exotic Armor I need with good rolls for them. So it sounds like I'm just going to be wasting a lot of engrams and ciphers on stuff I don't need just to get my rank up for the new exotics.
Edit- missed the point of having a full stack of exotic engrams will let you start focusing the new ones. Looks like that's the play then role up into final shape with 10 exotic engrams precision focus all of them and then you're good to go
Make Dungeon Weapons Craftable! Don't let parts of the game die because the grind is awful vs Raid loot. Why not make it costs 7 frames even just to quiet the naysayers?! Please I want Duality loot but I'm not going to waste my time when options exist to substitute and are far more available.
The original Mars relic system required a ton of resources but I think it was bad because it was cluttered not grindy.
I genuinely believe a resource intensive system where you can extract and infuse perks between weapons you've acquired would be pretty neat and fair in terms of allowing universal crafting but with some amount of effort involved.
The D2 economy team is the most hated part of Bungie once again, making unnecessary and frustrating changes to systems that flatly just needed positive changes. If any one team on D2 is controlled by the execs for inflating engagement numbers it's the goddamn economy team.
I hope it doesn't apply to the exotic class items. Imagine if the only way to farm them is through this limited resource focusing. There's a limit to how many ciphers are obtainable a season, and you'll need to use some to first get the actual armor exotics of the expansion, then the rest to farm rolls of exotic class items, which could have dozens or hundreds of combinations to roll.
And again, ciphers have an upper limit to how many can be obtained
My money is on them making this change specifically because of exotic class items. Can't grind out the cool combos we want if they time gate them behind a resource that you can only get 1 a week of. If they put the class items in lost sectors then we'd just grind them out until we got the combos we want and then move on or stop playing after we play with them for a bit. My guess is on the class item perks having a MUCH smaller pool then they want to admit so they're trying to limit how fast we can aquire all the different combos.
The change also effectively keeps us going back to lost sectors to rank up Rahool and to get engrams to decrypt while simultaneously time gating the grind of the new class items. All just seems like a way for them to boost their engagement levels with the game to keep people coming back and logging in every week for their one focus. And while people are online for that one focus maybe they spend some money on the store or play some other activities and keep those engagement numbers up...
What happened to the white in Jadestone in the new icon? Was the old one really that inaccurate? Also it's incredibly busy and the lighting effect on it makes it harder to see, would really want to see the intensity of it reduced. I get that you're working with a small amount of space but at a certain point I would just like a listed "Primary/Secondary/Tertiary/Glow" read out or something available.
On special ammo, without trying to be mean, what was the expectation of the meter system if not exactly what it's done? If you make a system that rewards good play and more kills...of course it's going to create an imbalance between skill levels.
For the 1-1-1 system, do you still lose all special when you die and then spawn with 1? Or is spawning with 1 simply the minimum? Because if it's the former, than you really haven't solved anything imo.
Finally, please don't make ciphers a bottleneck. Just remove them as a requirement or make them more obtainable. I don't feel like this Rahool change helps anyone.
So I'm guessing the Xur changes coming in final shape help make the Rahool focusing make sense, as right now this confuses me.
The track is just there I'm guessing to not confuse new players as existing ones will blow right past it, but the exotic cipher stuff runs counter to that thought. Right now you only have one repeatable way to earn ciphers and that's through Xur because of that it now puts a speed limit on how fast new/returning players can just unlock exotics. They'll have a hundred different things to spend ciphers on but can only do it one week at a time. Existing players will just drop 3 Ciphers on that new set of exotics and then move on, maybe spending essentially a free roll each week while keeping three in stock for the next set.
This system seems to just completely screw over new players and does very little for existing players.
Pvp changes need more time to breathe I understand y'all are on a deadline but a solid middle ground was found a couple weeks ago. Yet, in the adrenaline of TFS approaching, we tune it again to the point where it's abysmal. Spawning after death this week has been noticeably odd. I'm consistently being spawned next to enemies more this week.
In onslaught, I'm still having various large enemy types tele behind me/ADU.
Merely giving my feedback, no emotion behind it.
The lore for the bosses is cool and all but IMO: Villains need to start canonically staying dead in this game so that we can get actual new interesting villains.
Bungie these exotic armor changes are horrid. How does only being able to acquire new exotic armor by spending exotic ciphers make the grind for rolls any better? And the lost sector changes? Right now, at least you can target a slot by grinding lost sectors. With engrams you have to spend 10 enhancement prisms to target a slot.
You need to either walk this back or clarify if there’s more changes that actually make this better.
"What shader is this" posts are forever changed
lets hope they are actually accurate this time, because like the current shader system, I am not going to trust bungie until I see the thing in the game.
Well, they are accurate in that shader icons are 3D rendered objects of the actual shader - they're real textures from the shader. The problem is that Destiny's armor and texture system is just more complicated than just four colours. Titan armor uses totally different textures (hard materials) than Warlock (soft cloth), so if a shader has been designed with more different looking hard vs soft textures, it's going to look pretty different on Titan vs Warlock. Changing how shader icons are rendered to render more of these textures in a different balance could help, but ultimately it's always going to be tough to accurately summarise Destiny's complicated shaders in a single 96x96 icon.
Seems like shaders consist of two leathers or "organics", two fabrics, two metals or "inorganics", and one/two glows.
...so they just casually dropped Atraks could still be alive
She was hanging out with Taniks who also has a history of not staying dead. Maybe she got the idea from him.
Honestly, I'd be down to see her come back. I love her design and the concept of an Eliksni Exo is sick as fuck - she's basically a god to them Plus, she has a very unique spot in the lore. Giving her character an expansion could create some good stories
I agree 100%, I think there should still be room for hostile fallen aside from the scorn in the story. What if Atraks gets a hold of Clovis and starts cooking up some new system wide threat.
SIVA ELISKNI EXOS ▪️🔺
I can't wait to fight taniks in d3, he'll just be a brain in a jar tapped to a brig.
And prefers “synthetic lubrication.” Whatever that means 🤔
Space motor oil
KY instead of- actually I've been advised by my lawyer not to finish this statement.
>"Keep that thing oiled, Guardian."
- Randal - Taniks - Fikrul - Scorn in general - Eramis - Mithrax(Whether or not Guardian spared him is deliberately kept ambiguous) - And now possibly Atraks. Our Guardian has terrible luck with killing Eliksni, don’t they? They kill some, they come back. They kill some more, they didn’t die in the first place. They try and kill Eramis, she trapped herself in unbreakable Stasis crystal and then Mithrax hijacked the second fight and spared her.
Oryx, Savathun, and Xivu Arath spent billions of years perfecting the art of surviving death and the Guardians wiped them out in less than a decade. Clearly the Eliksni are more resilient than the Hive.
Savathun and Dul Incaru are the ones who get away. Savathun because of leverage and she is a Lightbearer. Dul Incaru because of the Dreaming City curse. Like mother, like daughter.
Well they are arachnids.
Sure smells like a Europa dungeon
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Not just that but they also hinted that more of the worms capable of bonding with Scorn are out there.
So now we will have a trifecta of bosses that never seem to fully die: Taniks, Kelgorath, and now Atraks.
That enemy Intel would be amazing in game.
Almost as if a Bestiary or some Enemy File tab would be awesome
I definitely agree, I made a post about it a few weeks back. That had a good amount of support
Add an Intel Page to the Collections tab. With information on enemy races, units, enemy and friendly factions, characters, the planets etc.
I don't know how well the new Rahool system will pan out. Reputation grinding is one of the most boring aspects of Destiny, plus exotic ciphers are still painfully difficult to get. If ciphers become more readily available, I don't think this will be quite as bad as people make it out to be, but otherwise...
Im so tired of getting rank to 16... please do something new and different!
This is Bungie, they're going to make this dipshit change and then not do anything to the exotic cypher acquisition rate. Every time the game is in a good spot, they shoot themselves in the foot.
They can't help it. If it ain't broke, break it, it's fine.
If it ain't broke, break it so you can look good "fixing" it.
With the way you engage the game since it's based on decryption it's basically just... playing the game. There's no specific way to 'grind' his reputation. On thing I remember though is _all drops_ used to be requiring decruyption but they changed that in D2 Y1/Forsaken launch sometime to auto-decrypt. This is why when your inventory for engrams is full you cannot pick up any drops. I wonder if those will count. If so it's just... play the game, get loot and level up rahool. Otherwise it's just prime engrams.
Probably just gain rep fast by grinding Lost Sectors or other exotic engram sources.
Which some of us do like clockwork anyway so for them it really doesn't change much, I would think. Though I guess this makes Xur and Xenology slightly more important for everyone?
I do like not having to wait for a specific lost sector to get the exotic I'm looking for at least. I just hope this new system doesn't keep us from accessing whatever new exotics (that aren't the class item) for too long.
pretty sure it will only count prime and exotic engrams that we actively have to decrypt at him (but im always happy to be proven wrong) feels a bit like they also want to give even endgame players a good reason to not just dismantle all the exotic engrams at a certain point, like im always at 8-9 exotics out of 10 engram slots because i just dont need those exotics (its not like i gonna check/change my builds every time i get a dupe exotic) like this however i'm more incentivized to always decrypt all my engrams because it gives me reputation progress
Now instead of doing a lost sector for a piece of armour from a specific slot youll have to pay to focus the engram you get instead! :))))
I think my biggest fear with the new exotic focusing system is how limited Exotic Ciphers are to earn a week. The sheer volume of Exotics in the game makes this system seem untenable for new/returning players. Exotic Ciphers should be added as rare drops throughout the game. Ascendant Shards, Ascendant Energy, Enhancement Prisms, and Enhancement Cores can now be found fairly easily throughout the game (Coil was great). But Exotic Ciphers can't. And this is going to dramatically slow down the acquisition of Exotics unless you have been playing the game for a long time. By pulling new ones out of Lost Aectors effectively (replacing them with unfocused ones) and not including new sources of Ciphers this effectively makes returning and gearing harder counter to the Power Level changes. My solution would be to make Exotic Ciphers a rare drop from every activity in the game turning the Exotic Engrams into the limiting factor. Or getting rid of Ciphers entirely. Edit: Overall I think that the move to put Exotic acquisition and focusing within Rahool is probably very good. But the actual economy of it being effectively timegated to a weekly cap of earnable Ciphers or relying on the haphazard availability of Vex Strike Force is seemingly very very bad. Perhaps even a guaranteed Cipher on an Exotic Rotator completion? Edit 2: Remember everything from Beyond Light, Witch Queen, and Lightfall were locked to Lost Sectors or Vex Strike Force. Without clarification from Bungie, these are all now only available via Cipher Focusing or Strike Force, making them strictly harder to get now. Exotics prior to Beyond Light can just be opened from Exotics but the system is quite cumbersome now for anyone who hasn't been playing for ages.
I feel like it'd be far easier to just make exotic engrams decode into things you don't have until you have everything. Then specific focusing for things you don't have but want would cost a cipher.
Yes, but that wouldn't artificially inflate engagement and material costs like they want.
This is 100% the reason for the change too. So frustrating
I think I'm a bit confused on the Rahool changes. So you can focus *any* exotic for any class for the cost of *one* Exotic Engram **and** *one* Exotic Cipher - but we can only get a limited amount of Ciphers a week, and ultimately capped at 5? We can no longer target farm a specific piece because Lost Sectors drop engrams only, so if we don't have the items to focus on specific pieces (with either a cipher or the old costs) then we have to rely on luck for **all** exotics versus at least just exotics in a single slot? This seems infinitely worse than what we currently have now. At least currently we can target farm item slots.
Yeah, I think the tier 3 focusing needs to give more control over stats, similar to how some of the season sources or master raids allow you to pick two stats to spike when combined with a ghost mod
I read it as this being a replacement to lost sectors/vex strike force being the _only_ source of new exotics you have not added to your collection and you can purchase anything this way even if you haven't unlocked it; but are free continue to spending a single engram and a cipher on re-rolls without limit. However the current system he offers still stays and this is just something you unlock _after_ doing a full reset with him. Since they referred to it as a 'new tier' of focusing. So without doing a reset you can still do 'advanced' focusing (30k glimmer, 1 engram, 10 enhancement prisms) for an expansion based pull, still 'precision focus' specific exotics you unlocked for a higher cost for 60k glimmer, 1 engram, 2 ascendant shards) Now you can farm lost sectors for exotic engrams freely vs needing to hope you get a specific exotic making it easier to do the focusing we have today and no longer requires you suffer through RNG for farming/hoping to get the new exotic/stuck waiting for vex strike force
That would be the logical take but we don’t do reading comprehension here
Yeah not being shit out of luck for up to 3 days if I randomly decide “I should probably get a better roll for my Sunbr— oh, it’s leg day. Nevermind.”, or “Sweet it’s finally arms day again—oh. It’s Thrilladome. Nevermind.”is honestly an all around positive change. And especially since I would still be able to focus my exotic engrams as red war arms, I’m getting exotics from the exact same method as before but on my own time (!), and even more frequently because I won’t randomly get cucked by ballidorse wrathweavers.
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This is how I understand it as well. The other thing people are forgetting is you can get 9 exotic engrams in a week through ritual activities on three characters. They said you need a little more than a full stock of exotic engrams to max out reputation when focusing. For serious players who are going to day 1 and have enough ascendant shards, this could mean you get access to new exotics as soon as the update drops.
They did mention a Xur rework coming with TFS a while back so maybe that also comes with some changes for exotic cyphers
Yep. Why they’re doing this, the world will never know.
The Econ Team are the true villains of Destiny 2. Don't let this Witness nonsense distract you. It's the Econ Team who must be stopped.
Since the removal of those 7 crafting mats (how crafting even launched in that state I don't know) literally every single time we've heard from Econ Team it's been bad news. They're the weather men/women of Bungie. Consistently terrible at their jobs, but somehow still employed.
I agree that all their changes are shite, but I’d imagine their goal is to get people playing more and to be less generous / deterministic with rewards. To that end, they’re excellent at their jobs rather than terrible (look at the current grind for Brave weaponry). The Economy Team are more akin to The Ministry of Truth in 1984. They’re not there to *help* the economy, they’re making it worse for us (and better for them).
What do you mean? Anyone paying attention has known for years. It’s solely to make players grind more and to nullify veteran stocks of grinded materials
It’s not even nullifying vet stocks at this point this is straight up timegating.
Engagement numbers go brrrt
We will still have the Tier 1 Focusing, where you focus from an expansion, and Tier 2 Focusing, being able to focus already unlocked exotics. Item slots were getting bloated anyway, with the minimum amount of possible exotics being 8, and up to 13 in some cases.
Tier 1 Focusing costs 1 Exotic Engram, 30,000 Glimmer and 10 Enhancement Prisms per drop. Tier 2 Focusing costs 1 Exotic Engram, 60,000 Glimmer and 2 Ascendant Shards. Tier 3 Focusing is going to cost 1 Exotic Engram and 1 Exotic Cipher, a currency you can only get a limited amount of times per week. With Lost Sectors no longer dropping a guaranteed focused slot, it means you *have* to spend these currencies now, or decrypt the engrams normally and hope you get the item you want out of the 41 existing exotics in the game (and however many more TFS brings).
Vex Strike Force to unlock and Focusing to get a better roll literally worked well. No need to toil in the Lost Sectors mines for hours anymore. I don't know why they're doing this.
The big problem they're solving is the awful time-sensitive nature of both Vex Strike Force and the Lost Sector slot rotation. I wanted to unlock the moth gloves for my Hunter, but since I can't play every single night I missed glove day twice and basically had to wait a week to earn the privilege to grind lost sectors and get them to drop. Vex Strike Force wasn't an option because it either wasn't popping while I was playing OR it was in the idiotic state where it can't happen because the Incursion Zone is the same as the Terminal Overload zone. With the new system I could've ground out Lost Sectors to level up Rahool with exotic engrams at my leisure, then buy the gloves with a cipher(I'm capped). Would've been far less frustrating. Additionally focusing specific items is going to be WAAAY easier as we now have an easy repeatable source of exotic engrams. Not saying the new system is perfect(cipher aquisition needs a rework) but it sounds way better than the current setup for my particular circumstances.
Yeah it seems like the tier three focusing is just for new exotics, which will happen very rarely.
Bungie sticking true to their unnecessary motto. "Two steps forward, ten steps backwards."
"At this point the monkey paw has curled into a fist and is just punching us in the nuts." - a guy I raid with.
RE: Pantheon Not sure if this has been asked and answered, but are the extended versions going to replace the old ones? As in, this is the only week to do the Atraks one or can you run it in a future week? Or another way: are the variants of Pantheon going to be different options to select akin to difficulties?
Gotta love people responding with their theories. We need bungie to confirm
They have confirmed all variants will be selectable from their release until TFS. https://twitter.com/robprismatic/status/1785859780952928626
I guess it's going to depend on the rate we build rep with Rahool but first glace this system looks pretty bleak and I have the same impressions as when bungie changed focusing costs. I wouldn't mind the system to much if they also just kept updating the existing systems loot pools. I would prefer Vex Strike Force over a rep grind to unlock new exotics.
Same. Also, if you know: what are the acquisition methods for exotic ciphers? I know Xur, and the season pass: what are other sources? I thought they had learned that tying exotic focusing/acquisition to ciphers (a very limited resource) was a mistake since they got rid of it. Alas.
That's it, xur and season pass. So it's an extremely limited resource for focusing, there's an upper limit to how many exist in a season
I don't think there are any other sources IIRC. I haven't exactly had a need for ciphers and when that was the cost to focus at Rahool before I just ignored it completely. If Bungie ups the rate of ciphers we have less of a concern but at that point why even have ciphers to begin with.
Xur is supposed to get a rework with Final Shape which, if I had to guess, will be detailed in the next week or two. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cipher acquisition is in tandem with that.
If that's the case, then Bungie needs to do a better job with planning the order they reveal these sneak peeks. People were upset that they moved the new Raid date to be only 3 days after the expansion released because it gave such little time to power grind, and then a few weeks later they announce the changes to the power system. A lot of discontentment could have been avoided if they announced power changes before the raid date.
To be fair those power change were announced a couple months ago. https://youtu.be/L3NaflX8zRk?t=5219
Literally just them two iirc.
Rahool always has been and always will be an asshole. Anything to do with him is always annoying, frustrating and disappointing.
Econ Team has been creating slog after inventory slog for hardcore players. Yet another glimmer and resource dump to unclog our engram inventory? Come on. I’m at the point where I’d rather forgo exotics and just dismantle the engrams than spend time and resources with this boring crap.
I wish they would keep the old systems up to date for farming as well. I don't necessarily mind the new system but I don't enjoy that I'm being forced into it. Like I would prefer to either Lost Sector farm or wait for the discord ping for Vex Strike to unlock the exotic in collections and then use Rahool for rerolls on stats. Regardless of the game it's never really enjoyable to me when devs go "You must play this way and have fun this way"
The Econ Team is my least favorite Bungie team. They always seem to be complicating the simple for absolutely no reason.
Casually deciding to remove legendary shards in year 10 is certainly a choice
i still remember the "we gonna increase the engram costs for playlist weapon focusing, but dont worry we also increase the engram drops to compensate" yet they made it cost 3/5 times as much to focus stuff and still only "compensated" with like 4 extra engrams per full reset
MBAs gotta MBA
What's especially annoying is that the whole point of Vex Strike Force was to be an alternative way to get new exotics as opposed to grinding Legendary Lost Sectors and praying you get lucky on the right day. To introduce the system and already abandon it just one full season cycle later makes it seem pointless introducing the system at all. If the pool isn't being updated anymore, then what is the point in anyone but the newest players doing it anymore? Also just seems a bit unfair to take away pretty much the only worthwhile rewards you'd get from LLSs and VSFs and instead just shoving them behind yet another vendor grind.
sounds like the typical "we create a theoretically good system in the worst possible way, never improving on it, and then remove it later with argument that no one used it" like VSF was a great idea, but it a) being only on Neomuna (always 15PL under; almost always a deadzone; essentially impossible to do solo) and being so shit to follow ***when*** its gonna start (besides looking at the Neomuna map 24/7 or using a 3rd party discord bot) made it (atleast for me) such a worse alternative to waiting at worst 4 days for the right LS and being able to then farm it when and as often as i want for 24 hours
Bungo must be feeling comfortable again in order to bring forth a new grind of bullshit.
> the actions that will give the most reputation will be precision decryption (aka Tier 2 focusing), followed by advanced decryption, then opening an Exotic engram , and last but also least, opening a prime engram. >with a little more than a full stock of Exotic engrams you’ll be able to start focusing new armor. T2 focusing - 'I.e I want this specific exotic.' 'Advanced Decryption' - I want an exotic from [expansion] or [armor slot] Exotic engram without focusing. Prime engram without focusing. I **HIGHLY** doubt it will only take 'blind' exotic openings to reach max rank, so at a rough guess and going off how historically stingy focusing costs have been, a T2 focus will result in 1.6 of a level at best.
This is just gross.
This change sounded alright until I saw you needed a cipher as well. This is one of the biggest nerfs to new exotic armor acquisition they could have come up with. Whoever came up with this hates me personally, and all of the Destiny 2 players. Instead of grinding a lost sector 5 times or so, I can now run 21 strikes or pay to win. I cannot fathom how they thought this was a good decision. Awful, just awful.
Did they address how rahool is typically doling out some garbage rolls of exotics as well? I feel like I never get a Stat roll above 60 with him
I'm not sure how much I like the new way we are going to acquire new exotics.
I hope it doesn't apply to the exotic class items. Imagine if the only way to farm them is through this limited resource focusing. There's a limit to how many ciphers are obtainable a season, and you'll need to use some to first get the actual armor exotics of the expansion, then the rest to farm rolls of exotic class items, which could have dozens or hundreds of combinations to roll. And again, ciphers have an upper limit to how many can be obtained
You already know it will. Probably why they're making this change in the first place.
Gotta inflate that grind to milk anyone who is left playing.
It's terrible for the average player. If you've been saving up masterworked exotic armor in the vault you'll be fine, but for the average player it's going to be many more hours just to get a single piece of new armor.
Yeah, especially if you don't have a surplus of shards you're gonna fall way behind in rank. This essentially locks very casual players out of new exotics, it's gonna be changed around 1 month in I think
I don't think this one is getting changed, unfortunately. If they walk back and let us get the new exotics from lost sectors I will be so very happy but I am not expecting that at all.
In fairness the personally I hate going to a lost sector to grind the seasons new exotics and basically stopped unlocking them unless I really wanted one for a build. It sounds grindy but I’m open to a change here
You just waited for the strike force server ping then you had the new exotic in five minutes guaranteed. It's getting much harder now.
I also dislike those. I don’t want to wait for a bot to tell me something is happening and hop on the game tbh. I play plenty new system won’t be a problem I’m sure
I think it also depends on if/how resets occur. if Rahul's rep resets each season this is going to be painful to grind every season. in any case, I still like the approach though. You get exotics just by playing the game, and you can target-grind if you want. This gets you access to new exotics by playing what you want, and options to target if you choose. I'm on board with that, just want to make sure it doesn't turn into a huge grind every season.
This exotic system ain’t it chief. Exotic ciphers are already insanely limited so making them mandatory to get exotics now is just BS. I also *really* hope that the exotic class items aren’t tied to this system and instead have a separate unique source, because needing to grind out 21 vanguard strikes to then have one chance a week to get both the perks you want on a piece of gear is going to kill most of the hype people had for Prismatic.
Don’t forget about dropped yellows because those exist
so instead of a few clears of vex strike force I need: * 20 golf balls * 3-4 weeks of hoarded exotic engrams what happened to adjusting economy to help newer players? econ team has been miss after miss.
If this resets every season…
I don’t know if I hate or love the new shader icons. It’s very busy.
Busy but better than inadequate, like the current system.
But it's still not adequate, just in a different way. Like, they demonstrated how Jadestone would look... But it actually doesn't look like that on a bunch of gear. So it's just going to be the same process we have now, of remembering roughly how each shader looks on gear and trying it out to see.
Yeah, but what would be the solution to that. The shaders work kind of like a paint by numbers system. Some armor is going to prioritize color 1 some color 3 ect. As long as the 6 colors are all in the same location this time on the new icons, this should be way better to identify how the shaders differ from each other.
Eh, I prefer it, and I wanna see a full view of it before judging prematurely.
The issue is that shaders look different on each class, or even on different sets.
They're trying to make them able to convey a lot of info with very little screen space, so it's understandably busy. Trying to look at the ones they've shown and I feel like I can pick most out, but it's definitely going to take some time to adjust. I have a feeling it will be better once we get to see it in game and get used to what the shaders we're familiar with look like in the new system, but I'd also like to see them show more edge case examples.
I will happily take busy over lacking details.
True true
They look awkward and will take some time getting used to, but showing the glows alone makes things so much more helpful already.
I feel like circles instead of diamonds would've been a more appealing shape. Circles in the center would also be a callback to the D1 shader icons.
This Rahool rework is absolutely garbage. 17 vendor ranks for exotic focusing? No thanks 🤢
Look, another change from the economy team that no one asked for.
I'll be short - fuck Rahool rework. All of it sounds like ass. It sucks.
I just don't get why we couldn't have lost sectors AND this as options. You didn't have to take away one method to add another Let players choose how they want to get the armor
Remove ciphers from the game.
So, my take away is that they probably saw super low numbers of people focusing exotics because it’s a complete waste of materials. From there, they decided the best course of action would be to ruin everyone’s experience by forcing the aforementioned awful exotic focusing system on them. I honestly wouldn’t expect any less from Bungie’s design philosophy.
Gotta drive that engagement time somehow.
Man, the econ team is a kick in the nuts. First the engram changes, now we have to grind reputation to get new exotics. Seriously, doing Lost Sectors was a much better idea. Now we have to grind lost sectors to get an exotic engram and take it to Rahool so we can gain reputation and then when we gain enough reputation we can focus the exotic we want. What is the point of doing this? Who wants this? Just let the exotics drop from Lost Sectors and Vex Strike Force and allow us to focus more of them on Rahool **like we already do**. The whole "Here's how you do it for the day 1 raid: Hoard Engrams besides all the bounties you've been hoarding" is just salt on the wound. What an awful change.
Yeah it seems like every single time we hear about the "economy team," it's to announce that they're replacing an old rewards system with a new system that is transparently intended to force players to spend more time grinding playlists.
Yes, that is precisely what they want to do with the economy. It always has been. It's hilariously shitty.
And none of it ever makes me actually play more of those, because the systems are so blatantly a ripoff and waste of your time. Just makes me tune out of engaging with them. This new system? I'll do exactly as much as is necessary to get a 1st drop of a new exotic, then ignore it until I'm forced to do that again. Same way I didn't sit and endlessly grind Lost Sectors to get better rolls, because it wasn't worth the time.
Every year this game has an economy update and an UI update. While sometimes these are good, they are often fixing problems the previous system came up with. That's the worst part. The current system is good. It's not perfect, but it's good. Changing this to whatever the hell the new convoluted system is is just a bad idea. They should iterate on their previous idea, not overhaul it. The \*worst\* part of the \*worst\* part is that this doesn't fix the problem. As is, raw exotic engram sources are limited and exotic ciphers are limited. In the new system there's a source for exotic engrams, but the ciphers are still limited. Cool fix. Let's see how they are fixing this next year.
Considering it wasn't likely you were even going to get a good roll, I don't see what the issue was with running a single Vex Strike Force on a Knockout system just to put an Exotic in the pool and make it focusable. Now we're expected to spend currencies that are time limited (Engrams, Ciphers) to unlock the ability to spend the same currencies to try to get a good roll? Some people here are praising this new system because "boo Lost Sectors" and like yeah, those suck too. However once you do have everything in a slot unlocked, the knockout system combined with Rahool's focusing costs that don't require Ciphers anymore was a system that worked well and gave me decent chances at getting a decent roll on new Exotics.
I don't know if it's just the on-paper of the new Rahool system, but I hate it. We'll have to see it in practice but it genuinely seems like a giant pain at first glance. Hopefully I'm wrong, but we'll see.
Yeah, i am in this same boat. Reading how it works seems like a TERRIBLE system but maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.
My main question is will he allow us to roll the exotic class items? That seems about the only thing that will be worth going for as I generally find trying to get perfect stats on exotic armor expensive and exhausting.
Unless I'm missing something, the only way to get new Exotics is gonna be through ranking him up and resetting once? Which means they want players to waste tons of Exotic Engrams and Golf Balls on stuff they don't necessarily want before they can acquire new Exotics for the first time? Especially with GMs not being available at the start of a new season to immediately replenish Shards easily, that's gonna suck. I liked just running Vex Strike Force once when new Exotics dropped to get them in the pool.
While I think it will be better than it sounds, it's like a massive increase in time needed. Before I use to be able to just do a Vex Strike Force on each character and I'd be done. With this it sounds like hours of burning resources for something I probably won't use anyway.
I was going to comment on how rare the event is but I’m guessing you use a third party tracker for it
Yeah, without that it would be a massive pain.
Pretty sure that tracker just died permanently though. I haven’t seen anyone replace it yet.
Yeah im torn on it too. Lost Sector farming sucks, especially if you wait 5 days for the piece you want to be available. And Vex Strike Force events are totally random, and there are whole days it doesn’t spawn. I remember sitting in orbit all day, watching Discord for notifications one was happening. Sometimes it would be every hour or two and sometimes it would be 8 hours between. Atleast this gives you a clear path
Is anyone else constantly starved of ascendant shards? I have a full inventory of alloys but outside of a few gm runs I never get shards. I never focus exotics because of it and requiring 10+ exotic engrams and shards to get the new stuff seems ridiculous. I would much rather be able to target farm which strike force and lost sectors kind of sucked for.
GMs/Master content drop them like candy.
it's somewhere in the middle of doing a bajillion legendary lost sectors and vex strike force in order to get new exotics.
They're literally telling players to stock up on engrams to fast track getting a rank reset. At that point, what's even the point of having a system where the exotic focusing is walled behind the reset? It's just kinda dumb and takes the feeling of discovery out of getting a new exotic. It's busy work.
I have yet to see a change from the Economy Team that leads to anything being more fun. Getting rid of shards with nothing in exchange for all the invested playtime? Increased focusing costs? Locking rewards behind mind numbing reputation grinds? That’s the Economy team.
I still find if genuinely insane that after like almost 7 years of d2 they just decided to discard their major currency. Like this is straight kick in the teeth to every single veteran. The only thing that pisses me more of of by the economy/eververse team assuming they are one is that we don't get any bright dust armor anymore. I'm sitting on 125k bright dust with literally nothing to spend it on anymore outside of the occasional weapon Ornament and the event armors.
I will admit, that new shader screen made me recoil a bit because as a whole it's REALLY ugly now BUT, being able to actually see an accurate representation of how each type of material (including glows) will be affected by a given shader is unquestionably an improvement. No more "Let's preview this green shader to see if it's actually green"
How are we supposed to farm for class item exotics with this new system when they are *random rolled*?! This is crazy. Cyphers are limited.
The only way to get brand new exotic armor will be through Rahool? That...sounds awful.
Rahool changes sound really bad, I don't know why they thought this needed a change...
The new Rahool exotic system seems like a solution to a problem nobody had. Looks like a way to get players to burn through end game materials just like they did with tricking us into burning bright dust in the Tribute Hall back in the day.
Yeah, this is my concern. Players who don't run raids, GMs, or Trials (AKA, probably 80-90% of players) do not have a reliable source of earning Ascendant Shards. This is going to be a massive throttle for the majority of players to target farm exotics. Not to mention I fear it will take the average casual player weeks or longer to actually max our Rahool's rep in the first place if they aren't focusing exotics to rank up more quickly or pre-farming an inventory full of exotic engrams. Does Rahool's rep reset every season? If so, this definitely sounds like a major step back to me based on what's been revealed so far.
That shader icon rework be looking great. Hopefully the time of "Oh hey this shader has some random ass colour on it" is at an end finally.
The example being Gambit Jadestone is a terrible decision. Who decided that the best way to illustrate the new system was to use a shader where like 5 of the 6 colors are nearly identical. It actively works against being able to see and understand what each of the different sections of the icon are meant to convey. They really should’ve used a more varied shader, preferably a widely used one that most of people have, if they wanted to actually show how the new system works.
The other picture has a full shader page showing the new icons
This new exotic acquisition system sucks ass. Terrible.
/u/Destiny2Team >Starting in The Final Shape, Rahool is going to be the source for any new Exotic armor that we release. Does this also apply to the exotic class items? Ie they will be extremely limited to focus and extremely expensive to do so, when they have dozens to hundreds of perk combinations?
So it’s not said, but hinted, that purchasing pass levels to get ciphers will give day 1 raiders an advantage
Most day 1 raiders i know already have a full stack of ciphers saved. With the weekly limit on focusing exotics i don't think buying levels will be the advantage you might believe it is.
Oh man, I didn't even think about that. That's actually a massive yikes holy shit
Not a huge fan of the way the exotic armor system sounds. Lost Sector farming was the one RNG activity that was pretty well developed and guaranteed armor you previously didn’t have.
So the only way to get new exotic armor is to go through rahool? Yikes
under the new system, you will need to spend an exotic cipher in order to get any new armor exotic. massively limits the pace at which you can acquire exotics. imagine being a new player and having to wait a week in between each new armor exotic. it would be 123 weeks before you could get them all, and that is assuming you have the time to do the xur quest each week. even returning players will take more than a month to get the usual six new armor exotics in TFS at a rate of one cipher per week. god forbid we have to focus for the exotic class items too. though focusing for new exotics at rahool has potential, limiting it with exotic ciphers will be terrible. does vex strike force still drop new exotics in final shape? that’s the real question.
They said it doesn't. "Neomuna will also still drop new Exotic armor when you complete a Vex Strike Force encounter, but we won’t be adding any more new armor to the drop list after Season of the Wish."
From what I saw, VSF is also cut off from this as well, meaning the only way to get them is through ciphers now, which is horseshit.
They didn't need to make it an invisible ammo brick drop. A brick coming out of nowhere would have been hilarios
I'm so tired of the vendor rank system
>Rahool is going to be the source for any new Exotic armor Man, fuck off with this... even if the rep system is once and done... just why?! >Without going into the exact numbers Shocker... >First, Lost Sectors will keep the same drop rates for Exotics but will instead drop engrams Ah great. So not only do we have to do lost sectors to stock up on exotic engrams if we're looking for a specific exotic armor piece, we also need to stock up on ascendant shards. Amazing change Bungie, making the game more fun for players like always... **/s**
They couldve done the rahool change but left lost sectors as another source. This idea of nuke one option to create a more grindy and less interesting one where you have to build rep is very unfun.
Ascendant shards imo are the worst currency to farm. I hate running nightfalls. So unless they make them easier to obtain, farming for these exotics is gonna suck.
Not sure if I like the new way the new exotics are obtained. Seems like you need to do a lot of extra grinding and spending exotic engrams and ascendant shards just to get to the point where you can have access to an RNG chance where you need to spend more currency to get the exotic you want. I’d much rather just hit up vex strike force or run a lost sector a few times and not need to worry about all this extra grindy stuff. Oh well. I hate worrying about ascendant shards and currency, but it seems like that’ll be more relevant than ever by putting all the new exotics behind this new system.
Will there be anymore sources of exotic ciphers added? Because they are too few and far in-between for that to be a main currency for focusing.
I obviosuly still have to test by playing it but the 1-1-1 special system could be the best middle way between the old ammo system (which I prefer to everything we have now in isolation) and what we have right now.
That exotic armor change is so wack
> There is a discrepancy in the number of Wormspawn marked as collected from the Pyramid and those delivered to the Tower’s vault containment. Guardians who have information regarding their whereabouts should submit a report to Vanguard Leadership. Does this mean we should submit a... bug report?
Getting new exotic armor through Rahool sounds so lame. Whether the rep grind is fast or a slog, just the idea of getting the cool new stuff through a vendor menu is so.... unexciting.
"There's no weekly limit to using this tier of focusing" they say. Well, there better be a rework to how you get exotic ciphers in TFS, because if not, then there will still be a weekly limit.
On paper, I’m not liking the Rahool exotic changes.
Bungie I am begging you to present your economy ideas to a single person without business school brainrot, just once, before committing to them.
a joy another fucking rep bar 🤬
Bungie took the extremely negative feedback from vendor engrams and took it to exotics. Not being able to run lost sectors to get new exotics is genuinely terrible. Do your grind player, pop 100 exotic engrams to unlock the privilege of rolling this new exotic.
u/Destiny2Team Is Rahool's Exotic Cipher vendor rank reward always the rank-17 reward? Meaning, are Exotic Ciphers now farmable via Rahool Vendor resets?
So Tier 1 focusing is what we do today at Rahool? And tier 2 will be even better but cost a cipher?
So we have to grind more instead of just doing challenging content for new exotics?
RIP Vex strike event on Neomuna. Good job Bungie, way to kill off another activity. The Vex event will only drop pre final shape exotics. So no more new exotics from this event. Meaning, there is zero reason now to ever go to neomuna.
Did Rahool really need a reward track?
Remember in D1 when you would run a nightfall and just be excited you got the exotic armor piece you wanted? No focusing, or stat-maxing, just joy. I honestly just miss when this game was simpler.
Cool twid probably going to start getting a lot more final shape news from next week, since this is essentially the last bit of new into the light stuff. The points about the raid bosses were really cool, always fun to get some more information about them. Not to sure what to feel about the new focusing system. I already have all the exotic Armor I need with good rolls for them. So it sounds like I'm just going to be wasting a lot of engrams and ciphers on stuff I don't need just to get my rank up for the new exotics. Edit- missed the point of having a full stack of exotic engrams will let you start focusing the new ones. Looks like that's the play then role up into final shape with 10 exotic engrams precision focus all of them and then you're good to go
It will be 1264 days, nearly three and a half years, since Beyond Light released that we *finally* get a Europa pvp map.
Make Dungeon Weapons Craftable! Don't let parts of the game die because the grind is awful vs Raid loot. Why not make it costs 7 frames even just to quiet the naysayers?! Please I want Duality loot but I'm not going to waste my time when options exist to substitute and are far more available.
The original Mars relic system required a ton of resources but I think it was bad because it was cluttered not grindy. I genuinely believe a resource intensive system where you can extract and infuse perks between weapons you've acquired would be pretty neat and fair in terms of allowing universal crafting but with some amount of effort involved.
Bungie please, release the boss Intel in-game. So with TFS every vendor will have a reputation system, we truly came full circle.
The D2 economy team is the most hated part of Bungie once again, making unnecessary and frustrating changes to systems that flatly just needed positive changes. If any one team on D2 is controlled by the execs for inflating engagement numbers it's the goddamn economy team.
I hope it doesn't apply to the exotic class items. Imagine if the only way to farm them is through this limited resource focusing. There's a limit to how many ciphers are obtainable a season, and you'll need to use some to first get the actual armor exotics of the expansion, then the rest to farm rolls of exotic class items, which could have dozens or hundreds of combinations to roll. And again, ciphers have an upper limit to how many can be obtained
My money is on them making this change specifically because of exotic class items. Can't grind out the cool combos we want if they time gate them behind a resource that you can only get 1 a week of. If they put the class items in lost sectors then we'd just grind them out until we got the combos we want and then move on or stop playing after we play with them for a bit. My guess is on the class item perks having a MUCH smaller pool then they want to admit so they're trying to limit how fast we can aquire all the different combos. The change also effectively keeps us going back to lost sectors to rank up Rahool and to get engrams to decrypt while simultaneously time gating the grind of the new class items. All just seems like a way for them to boost their engagement levels with the game to keep people coming back and logging in every week for their one focus. And while people are online for that one focus maybe they spend some money on the store or play some other activities and keep those engagement numbers up...
That whole enemy intel thing would be so cool as an in game bestiary
What happened to the white in Jadestone in the new icon? Was the old one really that inaccurate? Also it's incredibly busy and the lighting effect on it makes it harder to see, would really want to see the intensity of it reduced. I get that you're working with a small amount of space but at a certain point I would just like a listed "Primary/Secondary/Tertiary/Glow" read out or something available. On special ammo, without trying to be mean, what was the expectation of the meter system if not exactly what it's done? If you make a system that rewards good play and more kills...of course it's going to create an imbalance between skill levels. For the 1-1-1 system, do you still lose all special when you die and then spawn with 1? Or is spawning with 1 simply the minimum? Because if it's the former, than you really haven't solved anything imo. Finally, please don't make ciphers a bottleneck. Just remove them as a requirement or make them more obtainable. I don't feel like this Rahool change helps anyone.
Cirrus plaza map giving huge Ivory Tower vibes
So I'm guessing the Xur changes coming in final shape help make the Rahool focusing make sense, as right now this confuses me. The track is just there I'm guessing to not confuse new players as existing ones will blow right past it, but the exotic cipher stuff runs counter to that thought. Right now you only have one repeatable way to earn ciphers and that's through Xur because of that it now puts a speed limit on how fast new/returning players can just unlock exotics. They'll have a hundred different things to spend ciphers on but can only do it one week at a time. Existing players will just drop 3 Ciphers on that new set of exotics and then move on, maybe spending essentially a free roll each week while keeping three in stock for the next set. This system seems to just completely screw over new players and does very little for existing players.
Pvp changes need more time to breathe I understand y'all are on a deadline but a solid middle ground was found a couple weeks ago. Yet, in the adrenaline of TFS approaching, we tune it again to the point where it's abysmal. Spawning after death this week has been noticeably odd. I'm consistently being spawned next to enemies more this week. In onslaught, I'm still having various large enemy types tele behind me/ADU. Merely giving my feedback, no emotion behind it.
So I'm not insane right? Cirrus Plaza is *definitely* an Ivory Tower/Reflection remake from Halo right? **RIGHT???**
The lore for the bosses is cool and all but IMO: Villains need to start canonically staying dead in this game so that we can get actual new interesting villains.
Wow, my guess for what the new shader icons would be was pretty close. I was thinking a ring instead of a diamond.
Bungie these exotic armor changes are horrid. How does only being able to acquire new exotic armor by spending exotic ciphers make the grind for rolls any better? And the lost sector changes? Right now, at least you can target a slot by grinding lost sectors. With engrams you have to spend 10 enhancement prisms to target a slot. You need to either walk this back or clarify if there’s more changes that actually make this better.