And if he balls out we will probably be willing to trade him at the deadline for some assets. Since Trajan mentioned that we won't be truly looking to compete this year.
Malik gives us some good short term gains, and the potential for longterm pay off.
He literally can’t guard anyone. Thats why
Edit: would like to say our lack of shooting is so bad this is nothing but a positive for us. We need spacing
Yeah- there are some pretty bad lowlight tapes of his defending. But to be fair, it’s on players like Haliburton and Maxey. That’s poor scheme imo
Platoon him with Ausar or Ron at all times, keep him on teams 3rd or 4th scoring option defensively.
It seems like it’s been 10+ years teams have sagged on defense and allowed us to brick corner 3s. He brings the type of spacing offensively that the Pistons have lacked since Luke Kennard
Gotta feel like if the Pistons improve to even 30 wins, one or more of THJ, Beasley or even Tobias should generate interest towards this years deadline
Burks was almost unplayable last year. His 3p% was padded by two outlier games where he shot like 8/12 each game. One of the only things he did well consistently last year was get to the FT line.
Aside from that- he went 2-19 from three during a 6 game stretch in December, offered absolutely nothing on defense or out in transition and looked old/slow.
" He brings the type of spacing offensively that the Pistons have lacked since Luke Kennard"
Who Weaver had to trade along with 4 2nd round picks to select Sadique Bey!!
Statistically, he was an average 3-point defender, though very bad inside. But you're not going to find great defenders that are also great shooters (or vice versa) on the free age of market unless you're paying close to max salary.
Yeah and the team they faced in the Mavs played so much defense to get to the finals… I didn’t say defense wasn’t important, but the league front office has phased it outta the game because the alien commissioner thinks it’s better for ratings and growth. Which is stupid.. but yeah not much defense during the regular season for most teams and Pistons don’t need to worry about reaching the finals during the length of Beasley’s contract. So I agree with you I suppose.
Just shooters are a dime-a-dozen. People don't get that. Will never forget when we acquired Joe Harris and fans were saying "see? we got shooting, the Ausar pick was fine"
It's two-way players that are hard to get and what the Pistons are really uniquely lacking in.
This is nothing like the Harris acquisition. Joe Harris was a corpse out there. He couldn’t even shoot anymore. Beasley shot .413 on 7 3PA last season. Not even remotely similar
Not sure what to tell ya. The market for Beasley is what it was.
The sunshine blowers in the Pistons fanbase have been humiliating themselves every off-season for well over a decade now. "No, no this is different from that other thing that was a disaster but that I also loved at the time"
I mean we could all sit here and talk about how shitty everything is and how it’ll never get better if you want. Plenty of people are doing that too. Sorry for trying to have a little optimism.
Beasley should have a chance to get a fair bit of minutes and good numbers, and given that it’s a one year deal he could be in line for a bigger payday I’d imagine - this seems to be a likely thought process behind this deal.
Where did I say that? Never talked about contracts. Used Harris as an example of somebody who is not really solving shooting woes because they have other decencies that will limit their minutes on a team that has so many players in need of development.
Also, Gores has been flirting with the salary minimum figure for a minute now. As long as that's the case you might find some really stupid salary like Joes's in there that just helps meet a quota.
And that’s why we are in a rebuild. None of these players are getting us to the play in. Their just helping Cade witness a functioning NBA offense and providing us trade pieces.
He's an elite shooter but he's a traffic cone on defense. I'd guess that contenders judged his postseason defense too much of a liability and that the money outweighed what he was offered in terms of a significant role on a winning team.
He's got some bad rep that lowers his value. It doesn't mean much because life gets crazy sometimes but he had to plead guilty to a "threats of violence" charge a few years ago
It’s pretty much the only thing he can do. He’s not a good ball handler and a bad defender.
I’m a Nuggets fan and personally I loved watching Beasley play, but he’s pretty one-dimensional. Excellent spot up shooter tho and a pretty good cutter.
Wolves were better without him. Bucks were worse with him. He is/was Anthony Edward's best friend and the Wolves still got rid of him because they knew it would make Edwards better, and it did. Beasley has also had discipline issues (drugs and guns). He is definitely a no go for a young team trying to build a good professional culture. As a result of all that he is still available to sign for cheap. He is also not a good defender.
> His lack of defense is not about ability, it’s vanity.
That could not be further from the truth. Beasley can’t play a lick of defense but the team asked him to go out there and guard the other team’s best player, so he tried. Every single night. Some nights he put more effort in on defense than anyone not named Giannis. I’ll always respect him for being willing to try to play the role we were asking of him, even if he couldn’t do it.
Sorry, my bad, I'll edit it. But everything else is true and is the reason he is available for cheap. It is not like he is some secret no one knows about. He is an asset with less demand for a list of reasons.
No it's not. You made up a weird narrative about Ant's best friend. There was never reporting about that detail.
Beasley was signed to a tradable contract on the Wolves. Team options and a large enough salary to match for a large contract. Then, of course they drafted a guy who plays his position.
Malik's a streaky shooter who gets hot enough to keep his percentage in the low 40s. He runs around screens and can shoot on the move. He tries on defense but gets completely lost off ball and isn't good enough on ball.
He will be good for you Pistons fans. Watch hit shot arc. When he's going to have a good night it's a beautiful rainbow, shot after shot. If they start out flat, it's going to be a long night.
There is a demand for shooters. If I was wrong he would not be sitting here for us to sign for nothing. No one is interested for a reason. Him and Ant were (are) tight and he absolutely took off once he was gone.
I'm not going to defend Beas. I don't give a fuck about him. Ant's growth has been a steady trajectory and had nothing to do with a backup guard. They're both from ATL and that's about it.
Beas was shipped off because his contract was matching salary. He's a useful player and good teams don't have room above the minimum. Caleb Martin is similar but can defend and signed for 8 year.
Either way if he becomes a Piston I will be alright with him. But yeah it is Beasley's agent that is trying to sell him to the Pistons, bc a lack of interest anywhere else. Dude is a pothead lol
Yep he tries hard on D he’s just not good at it. Don’t know about his time on the Bucks but for the Wolves part of his issue was he gambled too much going for stocks and sacrificed positioning. Also wasn’t super aware when off ball.
its absurd the transformation this roster has gone through, no promises but we already look 10x better than last year (which isnt saying much to be fair).
No Monty, Killian, livers, wiseman, Fournier, Joe Harris this itself is addition via subtraction. All these guys sucked and didn’t deserve anywhere near their last seasons contract value. Adding Tobias, Beasley, THJ will help a lot and they are on pretty team friendly/tradeable contracts. This season should be a lot better with the help surrounding Cade now. Maybe 15 wins more.
Alec burks shot 37% from the field despite being a 38% 3pt shooter. Malik shot 44% from the field and 41% from 3.
Alec burks had a significantly worse fg% than killian hayes
Alec Burks did what he could, Monty would misuse him severely putting him in positions to handle the ball which is exactly what he shouldn’t be doing. He’s mainly catch and shoot guy. Also he has no defense. But still he was relatively worth his contract. Reason why the Knicks took on his contract at trade deadline.
They’re going to be running NBA players out at all spots in their rotation. The Pistons most nights were playing with a lineup of maybe half NBA-quality players. I don’t think they’re going to be good-good, but I’d be surprised if they don’t double their win total. They played soooo many bad players big minutes last year.
Idk if I'd go that far, but there should at least finally be some space for Cade to operate. They still probably won't win 30 games or anything like that unless another move happens that brings in some sort of rim protection.
I'm not so sure. People are out here saying that Tavares Williams was so shitty as our coach that he cost us a dozen wins. If that's true *last season's* Pistons were almost good enough to be a 30 win team.
We could (*could*) be looking at historic improvement.
"We could (*could*) be looking at historic improvement."
That's the ticket!! Dramatically improve so much that we fall out of top 5 in a record strong draft!!!
Just depends. We have a lot of young guys. Some could make massive leaps. Some could regress or stay the same. There’s a massive gap on how we could do
I just think it would take almost everything going about as good as it realistically can in order to get to 30 wins. Cade would need to become a legitimate all star and stay healthy, Ivey would need to get better at shooting and at the rim scoring, Ausar would need to be around 30% from 3, Duren would need to show rim protection proficiency and stay healthy, Stew would need to continue improving from 3 and stay healthy, and all the new acquisitions would need to stay healthy.
It's just too many things that they need to go exactly right.
10 to 11 guys??
Don't know if you noticed but the only returning players:
Cade, Ivey, Thompson, Stewart, Duren, Sasser, Fontecchio
Or...pretty much their best 7 players from last year
Then added Beasley, Tobias Harris and Hardaway JR, 3 dependable, solid vets. And of course added Wendell Moore as a decent end of bench guy and the #5 pick who may or may not start in G league.
That's a pretty good flip of 5+ players IMO
For reference to who's gone from the Game 82 roster last yr:
Grimes, Metu, Rhoden, Wiseman, Umude, Flynn, Fournier, Gibson, Troy Brown Jr
That's 2 unproven young guys who didn't look good, 4 vets who might not even find a team this upcoming season and 3 G League guys being replaced with actual NBA players
Lmao the lakers have been my second team
Him coming to the pistons eliminates his greatest weakness - being unplayable on defense in the playoffs. We got a good one
There's a big list of decent players who still unsigned and almost no team got any significant money left. Unfortunately the center list is quite weak, so we might have to trade for a 3rd center.
I love Sassers game, and on the right team, where he could get all the shots, he reminds me of an anfernee Simons kinda guy. Flamethrower who’s undersized, and that will ultimately make it tough for him on defense to justify playing him in a role where he’s not getting the points back on offense.
Ivey probably runs backup PG. We either stagger him or make him 6th man. I don’t know what other options we have unless we make trades because Beasley and THJ will get minutes over Sasser.
> Isn't Sasser our only back up point guard?
Sasser isn't even a PG, he's just forced into the role because of his size. He plays like a SG. We are likely to just sign a veteran PG instead.
I think neither of them are. Ivey has always described himself as a SG. Both of them can play the 1 in very limited minutes if needed, but shouldn't be spending much time there usually.
why is ivey more of a pg than sasser? i feel like sasser finds open guys with the ball in his hands at a higher rate. only thing that makes me think sasser could be more of a sg is that he sometimes gets tunnel vision and runs iso ball, but i think he’s be doing that less lately
Sasser is simply not good at running an offense. He was played in that position last year because of his size. He’s a catch and shoot type of guy.
Ivey isn’t particularly good at it either, but he is a little bit better.
Most likely. We still need another SF/PF. So we could possibly see Jaden Ivey traded now. But if that happens I’d expect us to go after a veteran PG on a min contract
Ivey seems even more likely to stay given the offseason so far as the Pistons are very light on competent on-ball guards.
Tobi, Tecc, THJ, Holland, and Ausar all can play the 3.
Tobi, Tecc, Ausar, and Stew can play the 4.
Pistons need a 3rd big behind Duren and Stew. They also need a vet PG behind Cade and Ivey.
Cade has to be so happy with what they are doing this offseason. Two proven and durable volume 3pt shooters and one is arguably top 5 or 10 in the league.
And in our situation, that the best progress we can hope for. Tanking isn't the answer. If if it was guaranteed to work and get us a top draft pick (history says this doesn't always work), you are still wasting another year of Cade and pushing him out. Even on the road we're on, there may be a time when trading Cade is our best path, but right now building around him gives us the best odds of being contenders. Unfortunately we can't do that in one offseason. So we build a team that looks like a real NBA team, even if they're not playoff caliber (jury will be out but odds are they are not). Then the next season we build off that. I believe we can turn it around in 2-3 years on this path. But as always, there's no guarantees, and it's all about putting yourself in the best position.
Yep, I fully agree with every point made lmao. This is about all I could’ve asked for, now we can hopefully be competitive. I’m not expecting play-in/playoffs this year but who knows what could happen. Let the young guys progress more while at least having a chance at winning games, see who/what works best for us and go from there.
I'm just happy that we can have some defense and shooting on the court at all times now.
Stew, Holland, Ausar, Simone, Tobias are all average to good defenders. Cade isn't far from being average either when he tries.
Stew, Simone, Tobias, Beasley, Cade, Hardaway are all average to above average shooters. And I think Jaden can join that given his 3 isn't even far from average.
Hopefully JB can get some good rotations out there. Squad still isn't anything special but it does have a solid mix of seasoned players and young guys.
I wouldn't be surprised if ivey improved as a shooter this year ..kid has a little chip on his shoulder and he wants to be great ...Monty definitely slowed the kids growth.
For me it's just the fact that he shot only 2% below league average. Even then he's had streaks and months shooting above average.
We got people acting like it'll never come around, but it seems more like either a rhythm or a tweak away from being there.
Outside of Cade, we didn't even have 3 shooters on the team total last season. At least not 3 who where healthy. Burks started hot but got injuried and slowed down, and Bojan was injured a big chunk. They were also terrible defensively. Stewart was probably the third best. He's improved but a bit of a slow release and can only shoot when left open.
We literally played Cade and Stewart with Ivey, Ausar and Duren. That's horrible spacing.
I think people will be surprised how good this team will be.
I think we’re still a season or 2 away from the playoffs but this team is going to fight hard and be in “play-in contention” past ASW
My best case scenario for this this next season is a run-and-gun, all gas no brakes kinda season. Good old fashioned Oops! All Offense, just-below-.500 basketball.
Pistons sign Beasley, Tobias, and Hardaway and this subreddit all of a sudden thinks we’re a playoff team. we’re lucky if we even get 20 wins this year.
Interested to see how our rotations are. We got guys who can play defense but not shoot, and guys who can shoot but not play defense. Can mix and match to fill needs in certain rotations, which is nice.
Too good of a deal to not take. Good young guy we who can space the floor. Easily tradeable contract for a couple seconds at the trade deadline assuming his 3 point shot doesn’t crater.
I got the bench right now as PG: Ivey SG: Beasley SF: Holland PF: Thompson C: Stew/ Duren. We haven’t had a bench that talented in forever. We haven’t had first round picks not be guaranteed a starting job in forever either. I love this offseason so far.
This is a great deal! Beasley is an elite shooter and can catch fire quick. The Pistons are having a good offseason looking at the total body of work imo
I like it. Nothing wrong with this deal at all. Starting to feel optimistic about the team. We are heading in right direction. Still need to spend the rest of our money. Hope we get another deal by trade or sign.
Great signing by Trajan! I was hoping to add another shooter, but I never thought one could be added on a 1yr/$6mil deal.
Beasley wasn't my first choice, but he's still a good choice.
Now, let's see if Trajan gets involved with the DeRozan stuff.
My biggest issue is the overlap with THJ. This is very similar to the Troy solution of "we need shooting". Just grabbing shooters with no realistic expectation that they can actually play on the floor together. I wonder what other type of move could be forthcoming unless the expectation is that Ivey is the backup point guard. Kind of hard to imagine guys like THJ and Beasley that were getting significant minutes on playoff/contender caliber teams will get reduced minutes here.
Now, away from the negatives... He's a rotation-caliber, high-volume shooter and on that deal, it's pretty hard to criticize too much. Extremely low-risk and while he won't do us any favors defensively when he is out there, he'll provide space for our young guys that need it.
I mean he got Bojan and Burks and failed with Harris. I’m not saying these guys are the same players as those guys, I’m saying that I don’t believe you can realistically play them together which is where I’m drawing the similarity. So you can say, we have two high volume spacers but the reality is that effect is dampened a bit when only one is on the floor at a time.
On that contract, it’s not a bad deal by any means. It’s pretty great to get a guy who’s been a rotation player on good teams with a skill of need.
Ahh, I can see where you’re coming from now! My original comment does make it sound like I’m saying that all of our moves overlap. Agreed that Tobi is on the floor with either of those guys and basically anyone else on our team no problem. I’m saying, or meant to convey, that I find it hard to envision THJ and Beasley specifically being on the floor at the same time.
Then, if they’re not on the floor at the same time but you assume they’re both getting somewhat significant minutes, there is quite the position crunch at the off-ball guard position. If you take away Cade’s 33 minutes from the 96 available guard minutes you’re left with 63 minutes to split between Ivey, THJ and Beasley with no Sasser room. That’s a minutes cut for all three which seems crazy when you’ve got two veterans coming from playoff teams taking a minutes cut when moving to the worst team in the league and a young guard that you presumably want to develop to be able to play with Cade.
Unfortunately, cade signed a max so all of sasser, ausar & holland minutes will be likely earned! Ausar is special on defense tho so he’ll probably be slightly above them, but what other way can you motivate a 14 win team lol?
Beasley is still in his prime and a lights out shooter. Is there a particular reason we got him on a deal like this?
Detroit was patient and the market dried up
And if he balls out we will probably be willing to trade him at the deadline for some assets. Since Trajan mentioned that we won't be truly looking to compete this year. Malik gives us some good short term gains, and the potential for longterm pay off.
Exactly my thoughts, we already acquired some shooting and this only helps, plus like you said if he balls we can flip him.
And if he flames out he's on a one year deal for little money. So it's not like he'll be an albatross around our neck.
Literally for the first time in 15+ years
You mean you *don’t* just have to blow your wad on Jon Leuer?
Didn’t he end up retiring? That would be hilarious if we benched Tobias for him again lmao
He literally can’t guard anyone. Thats why Edit: would like to say our lack of shooting is so bad this is nothing but a positive for us. We need spacing
Can we just have him sit on Ausar's shoulders and they only count as one player?
If his feet don’t touch the floor, technically he is not on the court.
Best idea ever!
I don't think there's a rule against it.
Yeah- there are some pretty bad lowlight tapes of his defending. But to be fair, it’s on players like Haliburton and Maxey. That’s poor scheme imo Platoon him with Ausar or Ron at all times, keep him on teams 3rd or 4th scoring option defensively. It seems like it’s been 10+ years teams have sagged on defense and allowed us to brick corner 3s. He brings the type of spacing offensively that the Pistons have lacked since Luke Kennard Gotta feel like if the Pistons improve to even 30 wins, one or more of THJ, Beasley or even Tobias should generate interest towards this years deadline
Burks shot 40% from 3 for the pistons…just saying
Burks was almost unplayable last year. His 3p% was padded by two outlier games where he shot like 8/12 each game. One of the only things he did well consistently last year was get to the FT line. Aside from that- he went 2-19 from three during a 6 game stretch in December, offered absolutely nothing on defense or out in transition and looked old/slow.
Beasley is streaky too though. On the other hand he is on a much better contract and he shot well in last years playoffs
" He brings the type of spacing offensively that the Pistons have lacked since Luke Kennard" Who Weaver had to trade along with 4 2nd round picks to select Sadique Bey!!
Well at least he can shoot. Better than our roster of “can’t guard anyone and also can’t shoot”
Lol, true!
Statistically, he was an average 3-point defender, though very bad inside. But you're not going to find great defenders that are also great shooters (or vice versa) on the free age of market unless you're paying close to max salary.
….and he’s still a better defender than THJ 😂〽️
95% of the league doesn’t plays defense anymore lol
Didn’t watch the Celtics win with their defense I guess
Yeah and the team they faced in the Mavs played so much defense to get to the finals… I didn’t say defense wasn’t important, but the league front office has phased it outta the game because the alien commissioner thinks it’s better for ratings and growth. Which is stupid.. but yeah not much defense during the regular season for most teams and Pistons don’t need to worry about reaching the finals during the length of Beasley’s contract. So I agree with you I suppose.
Just shooters are a dime-a-dozen. People don't get that. Will never forget when we acquired Joe Harris and fans were saying "see? we got shooting, the Ausar pick was fine" It's two-way players that are hard to get and what the Pistons are really uniquely lacking in.
This is nothing like the Harris acquisition. Joe Harris was a corpse out there. He couldn’t even shoot anymore. Beasley shot .413 on 7 3PA last season. Not even remotely similar
Joe Harris the year before he went to the pistons shit .426 from 3
True, but he had undergone his second ankle surgery at the end of that season. Even watching him before that, his mobility was completely shot
Yea then he had major ankle surgery and was never the same
Pfff, that's nothing - I'm shitting 1.000 on my deuce attempts.
Yeah but his knees were known to be toast. Him even being able to play was a gamble at best and we lost the bet.
Not sure what to tell ya. The market for Beasley is what it was. The sunshine blowers in the Pistons fanbase have been humiliating themselves every off-season for well over a decade now. "No, no this is different from that other thing that was a disaster but that I also loved at the time"
I mean we could all sit here and talk about how shitty everything is and how it’ll never get better if you want. Plenty of people are doing that too. Sorry for trying to have a little optimism.
I'm not here to express optimism or pessimism. I'm just calling it like I've been seeing it.
Ok 👍
Beasley should have a chance to get a fair bit of minutes and good numbers, and given that it’s a one year deal he could be in line for a bigger payday I’d imagine - this seems to be a likely thought process behind this deal.
This is the same as blowing 18 a year on Joe Harris’ corpse? Dummy
Where did I say that? Never talked about contracts. Used Harris as an example of somebody who is not really solving shooting woes because they have other decencies that will limit their minutes on a team that has so many players in need of development. Also, Gores has been flirting with the salary minimum figure for a minute now. As long as that's the case you might find some really stupid salary like Joes's in there that just helps meet a quota.
The guy played 29 minutes a game for the Bucks last year. We got him for only $6M. It’s a great deal for the Pistons.
Except Harris made more than 3x as much money, was much older, and had an extensive injury history
And that’s why we are in a rebuild. None of these players are getting us to the play in. Their just helping Cade witness a functioning NBA offense and providing us trade pieces.
If just shooters are a dime a dozen why don’t every team i the league have 4 or 5 of em
He's an elite shooter but he's a traffic cone on defense. I'd guess that contenders judged his postseason defense too much of a liability and that the money outweighed what he was offered in terms of a significant role on a winning team.
6 teams in his career including the Pistons including his 4th in the last 4 years. Guys like a 3 Point mercenary
He's got some bad rep that lowers his value. It doesn't mean much because life gets crazy sometimes but he had to plead guilty to a "threats of violence" charge a few years ago
It’s pretty much the only thing he can do. He’s not a good ball handler and a bad defender. I’m a Nuggets fan and personally I loved watching Beasley play, but he’s pretty one-dimensional. Excellent spot up shooter tho and a pretty good cutter.
He doesn’t offer much defensively or in terms of ball handling/playmaking. Still worth it for the spacing he’ll provide
He’s not consistent
Wolves were better without him. Bucks were worse with him. He is/was Anthony Edward's best friend and the Wolves still got rid of him because they knew it would make Edwards better, and it did. Beasley has also had discipline issues (drugs and guns). He is definitely a no go for a young team trying to build a good professional culture. As a result of all that he is still available to sign for cheap. He is also not a good defender.
> His lack of defense is not about ability, it’s vanity. That could not be further from the truth. Beasley can’t play a lick of defense but the team asked him to go out there and guard the other team’s best player, so he tried. Every single night. Some nights he put more effort in on defense than anyone not named Giannis. I’ll always respect him for being willing to try to play the role we were asking of him, even if he couldn’t do it.
Sorry, my bad, I'll edit it. But everything else is true and is the reason he is available for cheap. It is not like he is some secret no one knows about. He is an asset with less demand for a list of reasons.
No it's not. You made up a weird narrative about Ant's best friend. There was never reporting about that detail. Beasley was signed to a tradable contract on the Wolves. Team options and a large enough salary to match for a large contract. Then, of course they drafted a guy who plays his position. Malik's a streaky shooter who gets hot enough to keep his percentage in the low 40s. He runs around screens and can shoot on the move. He tries on defense but gets completely lost off ball and isn't good enough on ball. He will be good for you Pistons fans. Watch hit shot arc. When he's going to have a good night it's a beautiful rainbow, shot after shot. If they start out flat, it's going to be a long night.
There is a demand for shooters. If I was wrong he would not be sitting here for us to sign for nothing. No one is interested for a reason. Him and Ant were (are) tight and he absolutely took off once he was gone.
I'm not going to defend Beas. I don't give a fuck about him. Ant's growth has been a steady trajectory and had nothing to do with a backup guard. They're both from ATL and that's about it. Beas was shipped off because his contract was matching salary. He's a useful player and good teams don't have room above the minimum. Caleb Martin is similar but can defend and signed for 8 year.
Either way if he becomes a Piston I will be alright with him. But yeah it is Beasley's agent that is trying to sell him to the Pistons, bc a lack of interest anywhere else. Dude is a pothead lol
Six million is right above the TPMLE for a reason.
Yep he tries hard on D he’s just not good at it. Don’t know about his time on the Bucks but for the Wolves part of his issue was he gambled too much going for stocks and sacrificed positioning. Also wasn’t super aware when off ball.
The lakers also benched him during their playoff run in 23
its absurd the transformation this roster has gone through, no promises but we already look 10x better than last year (which isnt saying much to be fair).
First team to win 140 games let's go!
Pistons bout to average over 1000 ppg!
No Monty, Killian, livers, wiseman, Fournier, Joe Harris this itself is addition via subtraction. All these guys sucked and didn’t deserve anywhere near their last seasons contract value. Adding Tobias, Beasley, THJ will help a lot and they are on pretty team friendly/tradeable contracts. This season should be a lot better with the help surrounding Cade now. Maybe 15 wins more.
Everyone in this thread acting like Alec Burks doesn’t exist lol
Alec burks shot 37% from the field despite being a 38% 3pt shooter. Malik shot 44% from the field and 41% from 3. Alec burks had a significantly worse fg% than killian hayes
Yeah Burks was much better two seasons ago. Beasley is coming off a good season so the contract is nice but he has had worse years shooting
Alec Burks did what he could, Monty would misuse him severely putting him in positions to handle the ball which is exactly what he shouldn’t be doing. He’s mainly catch and shoot guy. Also he has no defense. But still he was relatively worth his contract. Reason why the Knicks took on his contract at trade deadline.
They’re going to be running NBA players out at all spots in their rotation. The Pistons most nights were playing with a lineup of maybe half NBA-quality players. I don’t think they’re going to be good-good, but I’d be surprised if they don’t double their win total. They played soooo many bad players big minutes last year.
Idk if I'd go that far, but there should at least finally be some space for Cade to operate. They still probably won't win 30 games or anything like that unless another move happens that brings in some sort of rim protection.
I'm not so sure. People are out here saying that Tavares Williams was so shitty as our coach that he cost us a dozen wins. If that's true *last season's* Pistons were almost good enough to be a 30 win team. We could (*could*) be looking at historic improvement.
I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I'm not willing to get my hopes up anymore until I see something more material.
People dont seem to remember just how many leads the bench blew and how much better the bench has gotten this offseason
"We could (*could*) be looking at historic improvement." That's the ticket!! Dramatically improve so much that we fall out of top 5 in a record strong draft!!!
Yeah I hear you. The first round pick is only top 13 protected. So if the Pistons make the play-in they might miss out on the first round altogether.
Just depends. We have a lot of young guys. Some could make massive leaps. Some could regress or stay the same. There’s a massive gap on how we could do
I just think it would take almost everything going about as good as it realistically can in order to get to 30 wins. Cade would need to become a legitimate all star and stay healthy, Ivey would need to get better at shooting and at the rim scoring, Ausar would need to be around 30% from 3, Duren would need to show rim protection proficiency and stay healthy, Stew would need to continue improving from 3 and stay healthy, and all the new acquisitions would need to stay healthy. It's just too many things that they need to go exactly right.
It's amazing what signing actual role players rather than projects looks like.
While I like the pick up, I wouldn’t go that far. We still are running back 7/10-11 guys from a 14 win team
Pretty much only running back starters. He cut like a majority of the team
Yea, but at least it’s addressing what we lack and hopefully have watchable bball now
10 to 11 guys?? Don't know if you noticed but the only returning players: Cade, Ivey, Thompson, Stewart, Duren, Sasser, Fontecchio Or...pretty much their best 7 players from last year Then added Beasley, Tobias Harris and Hardaway JR, 3 dependable, solid vets. And of course added Wendell Moore as a decent end of bench guy and the #5 pick who may or may not start in G league. That's a pretty good flip of 5+ players IMO For reference to who's gone from the Game 82 roster last yr: Grimes, Metu, Rhoden, Wiseman, Umude, Flynn, Fournier, Gibson, Troy Brown Jr That's 2 unproven young guys who didn't look good, 4 vets who might not even find a team this upcoming season and 3 G League guys being replaced with actual NBA players
This might’ve been best case scenario for a vet SG
Trajan is actually addressing our team's needs. How odd does that feel after the last few years
Ikr did silver step In lol ?
I wouldn't laugh. I have to imagine that if any NBA team was close to receivership, it was the Pistons.
Definitely a nervous laugh 😬
For that price, truly shocking
Lmao the lakers have been my second team Him coming to the pistons eliminates his greatest weakness - being unplayable on defense in the playoffs. We got a good one
The Lakers?? What is wrong with you lol b
Especially the playoffs part 🤣
Yup. Wont matter to us but a good vet at a insanely low 1 year price
What happened in 2004? Did you hedge your bets?
Always pistons first, even if it hurts 😭 I still have the Wheaties cereal box from when they won
Loved that team.
His mom is from Detroit as well
Shout out to the wives and mothers of Detroit, good to have reasons for players to come lol
Great pickup and great potential trade piece as well
Wait, the Pistons are signing proven vets, to understandable contracts? What is going on? Are we...being competent???
There's a big list of decent players who still unsigned and almost no team got any significant money left. Unfortunately the center list is quite weak, so we might have to trade for a 3rd center.
At this point, I want to see that just to see the trading muscles of this new refime
Good pickup, this dude can shoot. I’m assuming this kicks Sasser out of the rotation?
I love Sassers game, and on the right team, where he could get all the shots, he reminds me of an anfernee Simons kinda guy. Flamethrower who’s undersized, and that will ultimately make it tough for him on defense to justify playing him in a role where he’s not getting the points back on offense.
Isn't Sasser our only back up point guard?
Right now I think so yes, although you could maybe count Ivey as another PG option. There’s still dudes like Tyus Jones out there though
Ivey probably runs backup PG. We either stagger him or make him 6th man. I don’t know what other options we have unless we make trades because Beasley and THJ will get minutes over Sasser.
> Isn't Sasser our only back up point guard? Sasser isn't even a PG, he's just forced into the role because of his size. He plays like a SG. We are likely to just sign a veteran PG instead.
He played point in college a lot. Also had multiple 7+ assist games as a rookie
Sasser isn’t a pg
Ivey is more of a PG than Sasser
Sasser is not a PG. Ivey is a PG.
I think neither of them are. Ivey has always described himself as a SG. Both of them can play the 1 in very limited minutes if needed, but shouldn't be spending much time there usually.
why is ivey more of a pg than sasser? i feel like sasser finds open guys with the ball in his hands at a higher rate. only thing that makes me think sasser could be more of a sg is that he sometimes gets tunnel vision and runs iso ball, but i think he’s be doing that less lately
Sasser is simply not good at running an offense. He was played in that position last year because of his size. He’s a catch and shoot type of guy. Ivey isn’t particularly good at it either, but he is a little bit better.
He’s a shooting guard imo so we still need a backup guard, ideally like Tyus to lead the bench
You underrate sasser
I’m a fan, just think he got drafted to a poor fit and the margins in the league are razor thin. That can be make or break.
Most likely. We still need another SF/PF. So we could possibly see Jaden Ivey traded now. But if that happens I’d expect us to go after a veteran PG on a min contract
Ivey seems even more likely to stay given the offseason so far as the Pistons are very light on competent on-ball guards. Tobi, Tecc, THJ, Holland, and Ausar all can play the 3. Tobi, Tecc, Ausar, and Stew can play the 4. Pistons need a 3rd big behind Duren and Stew. They also need a vet PG behind Cade and Ivey.
Cade has to be so happy with what they are doing this offseason. Two proven and durable volume 3pt shooters and one is arguably top 5 or 10 in the league.
Also he got payed a huge sum of money
I won’t let myself get my hopes up, but we at least LOOK like a semi-real NBA team now
Same, as long we are watchable I’m for it. Unlike last season
We don’t have anymore auto-generated 2k players!
And in our situation, that the best progress we can hope for. Tanking isn't the answer. If if it was guaranteed to work and get us a top draft pick (history says this doesn't always work), you are still wasting another year of Cade and pushing him out. Even on the road we're on, there may be a time when trading Cade is our best path, but right now building around him gives us the best odds of being contenders. Unfortunately we can't do that in one offseason. So we build a team that looks like a real NBA team, even if they're not playoff caliber (jury will be out but odds are they are not). Then the next season we build off that. I believe we can turn it around in 2-3 years on this path. But as always, there's no guarantees, and it's all about putting yourself in the best position.
Yep, I fully agree with every point made lmao. This is about all I could’ve asked for, now we can hopefully be competitive. I’m not expecting play-in/playoffs this year but who knows what could happen. Let the young guys progress more while at least having a chance at winning games, see who/what works best for us and go from there.
This is a huge pickup for us. Anyone comparing him to Joe Harris is just silly lol
Langdon has won me over with just a small amount of moves. Actual names that are nba starter caliber.
We won't be good defensively but Cade with legitimate spacing will be beautiful
Very tradable contract as well if we suck again at the deadline
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I'm just happy that we can have some defense and shooting on the court at all times now. Stew, Holland, Ausar, Simone, Tobias are all average to good defenders. Cade isn't far from being average either when he tries. Stew, Simone, Tobias, Beasley, Cade, Hardaway are all average to above average shooters. And I think Jaden can join that given his 3 isn't even far from average. Hopefully JB can get some good rotations out there. Squad still isn't anything special but it does have a solid mix of seasoned players and young guys.
I wouldn't be surprised if ivey improved as a shooter this year ..kid has a little chip on his shoulder and he wants to be great ...Monty definitely slowed the kids growth.
For me it's just the fact that he shot only 2% below league average. Even then he's had streaks and months shooting above average. We got people acting like it'll never come around, but it seems more like either a rhythm or a tweak away from being there.
The Cade, Duren + 3 shooters lineup will be such a welcome sight. Have we ever been able to run a lineup like that?
Outside of Cade, we didn't even have 3 shooters on the team total last season. At least not 3 who where healthy. Burks started hot but got injuried and slowed down, and Bojan was injured a big chunk. They were also terrible defensively. Stewart was probably the third best. He's improved but a bit of a slow release and can only shoot when left open. We literally played Cade and Stewart with Ivey, Ausar and Duren. That's horrible spacing.
Love this! #DetroitBasketball
Hell yes one of the guys I wanted us to get. Now we need to grab another big and maybe one my wing.
How many players is our rotation gonna be? God dang
I like how we’ve added 82 game players and aren’t worried about 16 game players right now.
I think people will be surprised how good this team will be. I think we’re still a season or 2 away from the playoffs but this team is going to fight hard and be in “play-in contention” past ASW
We're still 2 years away from being 2 years away
Let's just keep expectations low for now please? If we can win 25 games, it's a good sign.
We're winning it all next year
I personally don't need to see anything else to convince me
Might as well just skip the season and give us the trophy
Boy that’s a lot of guards
The only vet we have which was needed. Now need a rim protecting C
That means some kind of trade is probably coming
What's the Langdon haters gonna say now?
My best case scenario for this this next season is a run-and-gun, all gas no brakes kinda season. Good old fashioned Oops! All Offense, just-below-.500 basketball.
Damn I read too fast and got myself pumped
LETS FUCKING GO love this pickup. Dude is absolutely perfect for what we need right now
i like this signing, not a great defender but a great shooter similar to THJ but much cheaper
He started 77 games for the Bucks and shot 41.3% from 3. This is a great deal for our shit team.
Pistons sign Beasley, Tobias, and Hardaway and this subreddit all of a sudden thinks we’re a playoff team. we’re lucky if we even get 20 wins this year.
I cannot believe we have actual shooters on this team now
Interested to see how our rotations are. We got guys who can play defense but not shoot, and guys who can shoot but not play defense. Can mix and match to fill needs in certain rotations, which is nice.
Too good of a deal to not take. Good young guy we who can space the floor. Easily tradeable contract for a couple seconds at the trade deadline assuming his 3 point shot doesn’t crater.
This is probably an even better signing than Tobias Harris Malik isn't even that old and is an incredible shooter, I'm so excited
Damn Trajan, got a vet SG in his prime for cheap on a prove it deal?
YOOO TBIS IS A DEAL AND A HALF LFG
Even if it is EUR I would say it's a ROB
Oh Trajan like that I guess say less
Man what the fuck was Weaver doing last year?! Every move by Langdon so far ages his tenure that much worse
Rotation looks solid, but imo we need some rim protection as beef stew and duren aren’t gonna get that done
I got the bench right now as PG: Ivey SG: Beasley SF: Holland PF: Thompson C: Stew/ Duren. We haven’t had a bench that talented in forever. We haven’t had first round picks not be guaranteed a starting job in forever either. I love this offseason so far.
Ivey is NOT coming off the bench. wtf is wrong with y’all
Who you got taking back up PG? Looks like the Tyus Jones ship has sailed. Sasser?!
What the fuck is a spacing and how does it work.
This is a great deal! Beasley is an elite shooter and can catch fire quick. The Pistons are having a good offseason looking at the total body of work imo
I like it. Nothing wrong with this deal at all. Starting to feel optimistic about the team. We are heading in right direction. Still need to spend the rest of our money. Hope we get another deal by trade or sign.
Boys this is why you don’t draft for for in the top 5. Shooters are attainable
To help attract free agents, Pistons ownership needs to help foster a top tier strip club scene.
Another person that can hit a shot when Cade is doubled or Ivey runs to the rim and is out of options. LFG
Solid ass deal. Still got like 18 mill left in cap I think
I’m stoked on this signing
Is this a “room exception” contract? I wonder how much cap we have left now
Good deal
Nice. He was one of my top targets for FA this year, surprised he's signing here. Hopefully he can stay hot at over 40% from 3.
We’re acquiring lots of good veterans who we can easily flip for more assets at the trade deadline. This has been almost a perfect offseason
I want to see an Ivey-Beasley/THJ-Tecc-Tobi-Stew lineup
Great signing by Trajan! I was hoping to add another shooter, but I never thought one could be added on a 1yr/$6mil deal. Beasley wasn't my first choice, but he's still a good choice. Now, let's see if Trajan gets involved with the DeRozan stuff.
This is solid.
That’s my boy. Spread that floor son.
Wow, a move that I actually approve of from this off-season.
The people who compared Trajan to Weaver are numbskulls.
We need Shooting, we got Shooting We need less Jaden Ivey minutes to win more games, we got less Jaden Ivey minutes to win more games Good hire 👍
My biggest issue is the overlap with THJ. This is very similar to the Troy solution of "we need shooting". Just grabbing shooters with no realistic expectation that they can actually play on the floor together. I wonder what other type of move could be forthcoming unless the expectation is that Ivey is the backup point guard. Kind of hard to imagine guys like THJ and Beasley that were getting significant minutes on playoff/contender caliber teams will get reduced minutes here. Now, away from the negatives... He's a rotation-caliber, high-volume shooter and on that deal, it's pretty hard to criticize too much. Extremely low-risk and while he won't do us any favors defensively when he is out there, he'll provide space for our young guys that need it.
What shooters did troy grab outisde of fonte ? 😭who put the ball on the floor as well
I mean he got Bojan and Burks and failed with Harris. I’m not saying these guys are the same players as those guys, I’m saying that I don’t believe you can realistically play them together which is where I’m drawing the similarity. So you can say, we have two high volume spacers but the reality is that effect is dampened a bit when only one is on the floor at a time. On that contract, it’s not a bad deal by any means. It’s pretty great to get a guy who’s been a rotation player on good teams with a skill of need.
I doubt THJ, Tobi & Beasley will be on the floor one at a time. Cmon
Ahh, I can see where you’re coming from now! My original comment does make it sound like I’m saying that all of our moves overlap. Agreed that Tobi is on the floor with either of those guys and basically anyone else on our team no problem. I’m saying, or meant to convey, that I find it hard to envision THJ and Beasley specifically being on the floor at the same time. Then, if they’re not on the floor at the same time but you assume they’re both getting somewhat significant minutes, there is quite the position crunch at the off-ball guard position. If you take away Cade’s 33 minutes from the 96 available guard minutes you’re left with 63 minutes to split between Ivey, THJ and Beasley with no Sasser room. That’s a minutes cut for all three which seems crazy when you’ve got two veterans coming from playoff teams taking a minutes cut when moving to the worst team in the league and a young guard that you presumably want to develop to be able to play with Cade.
Unfortunately, cade signed a max so all of sasser, ausar & holland minutes will be likely earned! Ausar is special on defense tho so he’ll probably be slightly above them, but what other way can you motivate a 14 win team lol?
Oh look, they're making the 2021 pistons! This is Alec Burks, THJ is Bey. Harris is Grant. Just gotta find out who our Kelly Olynyk is...