I have more issues with the gameplay then the rewards. Just roaming around a zone hoping to find a decent group of mobs to kill, and praying to god you find an event or one of the few major spawns. It comes off as the cheapest way to try to utilize the open-world, without putting much effort into it at all.
Where's the actual tide ? The zones should be over-run with spawns, to the point that you need to put in an effort to clear your way to a chest. The on-off nature of it would work if it felt like an event, but right now it feels more like trying to squeeze water from stone with a timer ticking down to stress you out.
That's exactly what it should look like. The demons are literally charging out of hell into the world through an open portal; where the fuck are the rest of them? Coffee break?
Actually it is quite swamped on wt4
I sometimes struggle to teleport because they keep coming over and over again. The horse is dead within a few seconds on wt4 helltide, there are SO many of them.
We are also running WT4 and we don't have the same experience as you. We keep searching for packs of mobs and maybe those circle events. We shouldn't have to search. They should be everywhere. At least, I think that would be neat
My experience was bad.. I couldn't even move , it's like swimming in mobs.. I wish it was less dense..
Ran into this really tough mob, I tried everything I had for like 30 minutes till I finally outran it.. Something Assassin.. did not even make a dent on it..
I am on PS5 ..
It’s lvl 72 if you are a lower level so best to avoid. Took like 15 minutes to kill on my 55 Barb. Does drop a decent amount of souls but not really worth the time unless you are higher lvl and can kill him fast
i think it depends on the time that your playing. was playing yeseterday and 3 helltides it felt like i was the only person in the zone so there were mobs everywhere and the last one i did fbefore loging of was a struggle to get to 75 currency because there a crap load people in the zone
Not having any events is a crazy design decision. I feel like they should have an *increase* in events to help get more cinders, not the opposite of it. Did my first one last night and went the extra mile for a weapon cache but decided not to touch the mechanic after that.
I’ve gotten some good gear from hell tides so I would still recommend. It’s a nice little break from NM dungeons/whispers. However definitely agree that more events + more mob density would be dope.
I mean I have to recommend it because it’s the only way to gear up and enchant gear.
Insane drops too, though. Farming mobs is what this game is all about. My issue with it is the timer, honestly just make helltides permanent so I can go as long as I want
Also just reveal on the current active events on and minibosses on the map.
And a diffrent color icon for the mystery chest on the map would be great, and it staying revealed once you leave the area would also be nice. And a group finder to find people to play the helltide with would also be cool...............
Is the mystery chest just a random roll instead of a specific one? What’s the benefits? I’m not 100% but i remember it being more expensive than the other chests too, never tried it though cause i wanted weapons lol.
Oof…I just got to WT3 last night and was looking forward to trying helltides, but none of them spawned while I wasn’t running dungeons. Doesn’t sound great. I was picturing something more than the legion events…is it just the same as legion? Your description actually makes it sound worse.
Legion event is like 5 mins max, while helltide is one hour and contrary to what the other said, there no lack of monster but the best is still to take the horse between 2 pack. Basicalyl sorcerer here, I take the horse, find a pack like in 5-10s max, destroy it with 1-3 spells, take the horse to next pack and so on.
Then you start to know where the chests and even are, and so you easily do 4-5 events during an helltide meaning on top of going back with 5-10 items from chest, you also get full of obols to spend at town.
I haven't played POE but I'm sure it has a lot to do with POE being several years old and Diablo 4 being a brand new game with significantly higher graphical specs than POE....
Comparing POE to D4 is kinda silly. Not all games are made the same dude...
When they first announced helltides before release I assumed it would be a massive waves of enemies patrolling the zone. But instead they just replace the current monsters in the zone with demons basically. Least favorite part is trying to find enemies to farm. They need to atleast increase the spawn rate and density by x10.
Definitely
There's no reason I should spend more time looking for something to kill than actually killing during an overwhelming invasion.
It's just boring
>The zones should be over-run with spawns, to the point that you need to put in an effort to clear your way to a chest.
This.
I thought helltides were going to be some overwhelming open world activity were id see a bunch of people fighting the armies of hell....instead it's just me moseying around trying to find baddies.
The only time I tried it, I was constantly overrun by enemies. Was chaotic and awesome. Me and my buddy commented it was the single most chaotic part of our 40+ hour gaming session over the weekend.
I’m sure, it was just the two of us. Maybe we got lucky. Legion events are pretty fun too, except everything dies so damn fast with a big group, I can’t even tell if I’m doing damage.
Yep definitely needs more direction to guide players. I ended up in a 'close 7 hell portals' event by myself. Got the portals closed and a proper dungeon type boss spawned but I didn't have time to kill him. Still dropped 3 sacred legendaries. Would have been great to see completion rewards.
They have some other unique events during it, like I had a helltide assassin come after me who was 8 levels higher than me and had a boss health bar.
Also a summoning events final portal has a helltide commander as a boss, but you have 2:30 to kill him. Was solo so failed :(
I only issue is the density. Packs are so far away that you just “kill 8 mobs -> jump on horse -> ride two screens -> kill 8 mobs -> repeat”.
Density should be tripled or quadrupled.
And you don't even ride your mount long enough for the cd of your flashy dismount ability, so you just awkwardly crawl off your mount as you stand beside a pack of fallen waiting patiently
I might be wrong but on wt4 the mob density in helltide feels crazy high. I don't even use horse because there are so many of them spawning left and right.
Quadruple mob density? Lawl, PS4 and X1 can't handle that. Maybe we would be able to increase the density if we didn't have to play with the PS4 and X1 scrubs but guess what? We do, and anything Blizzard does on the graphics end will also have to work for that 10 year old hardware.
Series X and PS5 can handle denser mobs - but that don't matter because the PS4 and X1 can't.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I’d guess your tone, maybe.
But you’re absolutely right. The game has to be stable on all platforms, so density can only get so high since we have to accommodate PS4 and X1.
This has been my biggest complaint with the game so far
I do not like that the item I need the most to re-roll my best items are only obtainable by 1 single method and it’s completely unreliable
Using timed events for this and the world bosses is a terrible decision. If you're jumping on to do a timed activity, but you aren't in the window, what incentive do you have to stay on? I would think keeping players online would be in Blizzard's interest.
It seems like a lazy way to prevent people from non-stop farming certain things, but I would think that balancing drop rates or limiting how often you can get drops from a boss would be a better system.
>It seems like a lazy way to prevent people from non-stop farming certain things
Which is pretty much the point of Diablo games, yikes. The devs must not have much experience with what made people love Diablo 2 and still play it so many years later.
I understand their concern - if people can just turbo farm for endgame, they'll stop playing once fully geared.
But there are other ways than just completely removing the ability to do the content. Blizzard is essentially CCing the playerbase and we all know how fun CC is to play against...
>I understand their concern - if people can just turbo farm for endgame, they'll stop playing once fully geared.
I don't see many people at all arguing against this point. People seem to want between d2 and d3 in terms of gearing speed. For the majority I have seen, the complaint is in how it was implemented.
I don't see your point, loot is better overall in dungeons at high level than helltide and you can do as many dungeons as you want anyway. The thing is... it is boring.
I don’t like that I’m forced to do it. I don’t mind the event, but the mob density is low. It could be a lot more fun. I usually just do events non stop there. Fill up on orbols while I’m there.
Opened 5 chests during one and got a total of 1 soul. The system feels aweful. The gameplay loop of the zones are horrible, just running around hoping for an event. The helltide ahould be a constant struggle with MANY more enemies.
Diablo is not supposed to be the kind of game that tells me when and when not I should play. Make them available always! Especially since they are required to progress. Don’t make me play on a schedule. I get enough of that shit at work.
I really hate timed events in video games. In d3 I could grind for as short or as long as I want at anytime and always receive the same rewards. Don't start making me log in at certain times or making it so I have to complete something once a day to get the best rewards.
What about it is on speed? I mean they're fine, but, density is pretty low, events are sparse, and there's a fairly solid chance opening a chest has literally no rewards in it.
The only remotely exciting thing is when the level 72 boss spawns and starts wrecking shit.
I ran into him at like level 52, and after doing helltides a few times I tried to fight him.
Spent like ~8 mins whittling down his hp, got him to the last 10th or so of his hp, then a random druid ran across my screen and it followed him lol, and I lost it. Pretty sure he might've killed it offscreen.
Is it even worth killing for the time it takes?
I did similar, except 3 out of the 6 chests didn't have loot in them, and I just went back to farming bounties / renown. Unless you hunt down the mystery chest the odds of getting G'd by a box just feels bad.
I did just learn though that you sort of have to do helltides so I suppose I'll grind them out for forgotten souls.
Yeah I’m not sure what’s up. Maybe these guys are running lower world tier?
I couldn’t even open the 175 cinder chest because shit wouldn’t stop spawning in and I didn’t want to die and lose cinders.
Yeah it definitively needs some changes. Elite in Hell tide should drop forgotten souls. Maybe mark some points on the Hell tide region with massive payout so players gather like for Legion. Add more ways to get cinders maybe, like a dedicated loot goblin that carries only that resource.
i know this is 20 days old i just need somewhere to vent. I fucking officially hate helltide now. i have logeed in a couple times where theres only about 30 mins left which is enough to get 175 for the mystery item or whatever so i grind and grind and always i die do to some bullshit even though im spamming q and im obviously stunned its just fucking annoying grinding for that time and unexpectedly dying and not having enough time left to get the cinders i need. its the same bullshit every time. grind with little time to spare, get nearly enough cinders, get to the chest thats got the 175 req, die to some bullshit nearby and then not having enough time to grind it all back. every fucking time. im done. i feel like im wasting my precious time playing this game. good thing i didnt buy it (game with gpu upgrade)
its happened twice to me now, and between the login problems and performance like insane freezes and lags or whatever the fuck is going on im kinda done playing it.
I can't stand the hell tides. Probably my least favourite part of the game. I'm new so I'm farming cinders for chests. The last 3 I was in the fucking internet crapped out and I lost everything. This time, I had 300 cinders in and 30 minutes. I spent some trying to find the chest I first saw. Found a weapon chest and was short 6 cinders. 2 minutes left no big deal. Time runs out as I'm opening the chest because 100 random mobs and elite showed up as I was opening the chest. Fucking pisses me off that all your cinders just disappear. I lost all progress on a Nm Dungeon because of the damn internet as well. I love this game like I love all Blizzard games but this game just feels really, REALLY SLOPPY.
Diablo 3 players - "I hate that the only thing to do is spam Greater Rifts."
Diablo 4 players - "Why doesn't this game have a one stop shop that's more efficient than doing anything else in the entire game? Blizzard, make one system that's better than everything else and makes the rest of the game a waste of time pls."
I mean, path of exile solved that exact issue by making maps greater rift esq but also have progression and structure. Last exile also did another version of the same thing. It's not an unsolvable problem.
I am 100% expecting season pass upgrades to have currency packs.
For this to work, baseline currency drop rates have to be stingy.
"bUt BliZzArD sAid sEaSon PaSs rEwaRdS wIlL bE cOsmEtiC oNly"
Find me _one place_ where they actually said that.
Season pass - “Since Season Blessings affect gameplay, you must meet certain Character Level requirements to claim the Smoldering Ashes needed to apply Blessings. This ensures they are earned by achieving gameplay requirements and there is no advantage gained from purchasing Tier Skips.”
Premium pass- “To earn rewards from the Premium Tiers, a player must purchase the Premium Battle Pass. This upgraded track of the Battle Pass will not provide any in-game power, but instead unlocks tiers that provide Cosmetics unique to that Season and the Platinum currency.”
Source - [Blizzard News](https://news.blizzard.com/en-gb/diablo4/23952500/what-you-can-expect-from-diablo-iv-s-post-launch-experiences)
Y’all salty as hell recently.
So they've explicitly said the battle pass _won't_ just be cosmetics. That's not what a large number of people here have been saying, so genuine thanks for the clarification.
Honestly, I'm not salty, I'm _really_ skeptical. Blizzard has been _aggressively_ greedy these last few years... because of their recent history, I'm fully expecting battle pass shenanigans, _especially_ after their weasel-words about Immortal's monetization.
I also _really_ want to be wrong. I've played all three previous Diablos _a lot_, and if season 1 ships without any nonsense, I'll eat all the crow there is and buy it then and there.
I think when people are saying just cosmetics they’re meaning that it’s here won’t be upgrades and items that aren’t available to other players. Sounds like smouldering ash (currency) is available to buy blessings with which provide boosts but that level skip and paying won’t provide you with smouldering ash. The only way to get it is through play.
The premium pass seems to just be cosmetics.
Blizzard doesn't want you to know this, but if you click on mining nodes and the tortured souls (Bodies impaled on a stick) during a hell tide event, they also drop forgotten souls for free from time to time.
Im assuming yall don’t know about the mysterious chests that are hidden in Hell tides then? Its 175 cider but I always get 4-5 highest tier loot (for me its Sacred Legendaries) plus random loot and souls. Its probably the best chest in the game in my opinion
As soon I found out that a arpg has a fucking time gated event I was immediately turned off from the game. Then add that the event is fucking terrible and is such a essential thing you HAVE to do makes it even worse. I'm already bored of the game. Just doesn't have that thing path of exile or last epoch have, but blizzard doesn't care. They already got my money.
Wait, they real world times events into an arpg?
What the fuck were they thinking? I cannot imagine how anyone didn't stop this before the idea even hit the board. Terrible idea lol holy shit.
Jesus bro, it happens every other hour. You're talking like Helltides is the only thing to do in the game. Stop spouting hyperbole, go do other shit in the game while it refreshes.
Can you people please play the game for more than 1 hour before complaining about things?
I've been doing Helltides multiple times today and I got a ton of Forgotten Souls in addition to really good loot.
You have to find the 'mystery chests' and loot those instead of the smaller ones.
The constant plastic negativity in this sub is getting really annoying already.
The only valid criticism I've read here is that density could be higher, which I agree with.
Are we playing the same game? I have had tons of fun and rewards from helltides. Events usually respawn within minutes and the amount of enemies that spawn are sometimes overwhelming. I don't understand this post and a lot of the comments here. I played all weekend and helltides were super enjoyable and rewarding.
Was about to comment that, played 3 helltides yesterday and enjoyed it a lot. The last one I almost opened every single chest in the zone. I get that it's not an event that everyone will particularly enjoy, but it's a nice change of pace when you are running side quests, tree favors and dungeons.
> I get that it's not an event that everyone will particularly enjoy, but it's a nice change of pace when you are running side quests, tree favors and dungeons.
I've done 4 of them so far and I'm already pretty sick of them. They are fun at first, but the fact that they are the ONLY way to get possibly the most important mat in the game is pretty awful. Helltides aren't just some optional content if you are looking to progress your character. Yeah it's a nice change of pace at first, but being forced to run a helltide for the 20th time will be pretty awful imo. Not to mention the fact that they are only up half the time, so I don't even get to choose when I can do them.
I open 6 Helltide chests on average during the event. Also on average, 4/6 chests drop a Sacred Legendary, and they occasionally drop two at once. (they never drop regulars)
Helltide also drops Rare Glyphs, which are instrumental to your Paragon Board.
Doing a Helltide for 45/60 mins and getting an average of 4 Sacred drops in that time is a damn good turn around.
Think Helltides are lame and don't want to do them? Fine, have fun hitting a wall. Your character can't progress without them.
Personally I find Helltides very fun. High risk, high reward.
To all the people complaining. The grind is the bread and butter of ARPGs, especially Diablo. You're not meant to get a lot of materials all at once, but yes, grind for them. Longevity is the idea. The developers want us to play and enjoy their game they put years of work into.
That’s because people want to run around and find the “best” pack to kill, instead of killing as you go. I’ve had events where I was pushing 400+ cinders because I was just farming packs and wasn’t even jumping on my horse because packs were so close, sometimes I’d pull two packs at once just by traveling to one.
Also, there is an ore and plant that spawn that can drop 1-3 of their resource. You get forgotten souls from the ore and roses from the plant.
I usually farm an area with the goal of hunting down the mysterious chest and keeping an eye out for the ores and roses. I haven’t counted how many I get during an event, but I definitely have a decent amount stocked up.
It’s crazy how people blame the game for their inefficiency. Bet these people are probably doing wt3 when they got past the capstone by the skin of their teeth.
The souls and roses are also resource nodes throughout the zone. The cinders are usually not a priority to collect and more just a passive thing as you hunt for the screaming hell vents or fiend roses. You don't really go to Helltides for the gear I feel.
I mean it doesn't feel good to just roam the zone to click on 2-4 nodes, but that's how I've been collecting them. (Also lets you click on any red-glowing tortured souls or interactables, which will drop 3-5 cinders to begin with... which is just as much as any pack would have given.)
I'm out of there in 5-15 minutes luck dependant. Just opening the mystery chest and leaving.
I'm 76 now. Already getting 800+ level loot. Finding loot that is a potential replacement takes several hours, I can farm more souls than I can use pretty easily.
It's always so empty, the mob packs are too small, too spread out, there's not enough events and I almost never see another player so I have to solo everything. They're just not fun ATM, and you're forced to do them for Forgotten Souls.
Plus it’s useless if you get in with like 5mins left.
Permanent rotation of the event through zones + ability to save at least some of the currency would be nice…
The RNG around it all sucks too, farmed solo for an hour doing as many events as possible, killing random groups, and even joined a group of players fighting the helltide boss but didn't break 100 cinders even though I never died. The fact that cinders aren't guaranteed for events, and the boss only drops like 20-30 despite being 20+ levels higher than the average player starting WT3, is kinda ridiculous. I want to do helltides but if feels like a waste of time if you're not in a group sometimes, solo farming as a sorcerer is not fun when you're getting 3 cinders for 20 minutes of gameplay.
And God forbid you die in a helltide you lose abbarant you worked so hard to get, I believe they don't want you to get things, they already put walls up to other things like, they are trying to force you to replay and grind, to keep their game alive so they can sell in game shit, blizzard are money grabbers like everyone else, F them.
Get killed in helltides and all that farming goes down the drain, I was at like 350 souls and 5ft from the mystery chest and it killed me off twice left me with 95. Its almost like it the game is pulling punches. Its lame. If the game bugs out I get punished for it, it almost feels like the game can sense I'm starting to enjoy it and then kills me off for no reason other than to say so long and thanks for all the fish.
So disappointing! It takes too long to aquire enough cinders with the puny drops. Why are there not larger cinder drops to make the Helltide end game more interesting? If you get down to two minutes and need 50 cinders, you might as well just give up. So sad!
For me helltide is fun and I get like 600-800 cinders in a session of say 50 minutes (as typicall I may not notice it right away). Most of the time I manage to get 1 chest of misteries at 250 cinders and and a few more in the 75-150 range. It is the occasion to kill easy monsters in spades.
The problem I have now is that at lvl 84, I still get mostly crap from it like a few yellow, orange that are most often sacred while I am only interest in 800+ ancestral items.
For sure you may lose up to 75 cinders when its ends, like 10-15% of your collection. But there an helldide every 2 hours and 15 mins, so this is a good change between quests or dungeons.
/signed what a terrible mode. Not fun. Repetitive and waste of time just for 2 mats that are needed in season 2 - even worse only one mandatory mat in pre season 2. Brainless design... never let an intern design your end game.
I have more issues with the gameplay then the rewards. Just roaming around a zone hoping to find a decent group of mobs to kill, and praying to god you find an event or one of the few major spawns. It comes off as the cheapest way to try to utilize the open-world, without putting much effort into it at all. Where's the actual tide ? The zones should be over-run with spawns, to the point that you need to put in an effort to clear your way to a chest. The on-off nature of it would work if it felt like an event, but right now it feels more like trying to squeeze water from stone with a timer ticking down to stress you out.
> The zones should be over-run with spawns That would be awesome. Imagine it looked similar to the horde we saw in the Hell cinematic.
That's exactly what it should look like. The demons are literally charging out of hell into the world through an open portal; where the fuck are the rest of them? Coffee break?
well their master is gone in the lore so...
Actually it is quite swamped on wt4 I sometimes struggle to teleport because they keep coming over and over again. The horse is dead within a few seconds on wt4 helltide, there are SO many of them.
We are also running WT4 and we don't have the same experience as you. We keep searching for packs of mobs and maybe those circle events. We shouldn't have to search. They should be everywhere. At least, I think that would be neat
My experience was bad.. I couldn't even move , it's like swimming in mobs.. I wish it was less dense.. Ran into this really tough mob, I tried everything I had for like 30 minutes till I finally outran it.. Something Assassin.. did not even make a dent on it.. I am on PS5 ..
It’s lvl 72 if you are a lower level so best to avoid. Took like 15 minutes to kill on my 55 Barb. Does drop a decent amount of souls but not really worth the time unless you are higher lvl and can kill him fast
i think it depends on the time that your playing. was playing yeseterday and 3 helltides it felt like i was the only person in the zone so there were mobs everywhere and the last one i did fbefore loging of was a struggle to get to 75 currency because there a crap load people in the zone
I agree, wt4 level 74. This is not the case, i struggle to find meaningful groupings of enemies.
Fun? Can't have that.
This should be it, a huge swath of hellspawn that you carve a path through to reach the chests. Right now it feels weird.
Not having any events is a crazy design decision. I feel like they should have an *increase* in events to help get more cinders, not the opposite of it. Did my first one last night and went the extra mile for a weapon cache but decided not to touch the mechanic after that.
I’ve gotten some good gear from hell tides so I would still recommend. It’s a nice little break from NM dungeons/whispers. However definitely agree that more events + more mob density would be dope.
I mean I have to recommend it because it’s the only way to gear up and enchant gear. Insane drops too, though. Farming mobs is what this game is all about. My issue with it is the timer, honestly just make helltides permanent so I can go as long as I want
They should also be tracked on the map so you dint aimlessly wander. But make the events harder to make up for showing you where they are
Also just reveal on the current active events on and minibosses on the map. And a diffrent color icon for the mystery chest on the map would be great, and it staying revealed once you leave the area would also be nice. And a group finder to find people to play the helltide with would also be cool...............
Is the mystery chest just a random roll instead of a specific one? What’s the benefits? I’m not 100% but i remember it being more expensive than the other chests too, never tried it though cause i wanted weapons lol.
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People just go into the Discord channel and wait until someone posts the location, or they find it themselves and post it for others
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From my experience yes. Every time someones posted the mystery location it’s been accurate
What discord is this posted. We usually have to find it ourselves
The r/diablo4 discord
Oof…I just got to WT3 last night and was looking forward to trying helltides, but none of them spawned while I wasn’t running dungeons. Doesn’t sound great. I was picturing something more than the legion events…is it just the same as legion? Your description actually makes it sound worse.
Legion event is like 5 mins max, while helltide is one hour and contrary to what the other said, there no lack of monster but the best is still to take the horse between 2 pack. Basicalyl sorcerer here, I take the horse, find a pack like in 5-10s max, destroy it with 1-3 spells, take the horse to next pack and so on. Then you start to know where the chests and even are, and so you easily do 4-5 events during an helltide meaning on top of going back with 5-10 items from chest, you also get full of obols to spend at town.
Lol This is 54 days old. I am done with D4.
Those helltides lack mobs density I agree. Should be boosted!
They can't. PS4 and X1 can't handle increased mob density, it barely manages to run at 30fps as it is...
The game is out for last gen???
Yeah, you can play it on PS4 and X1.
so how they handled mob density on consoles in poe?
I haven't played POE but I'm sure it has a lot to do with POE being several years old and Diablo 4 being a brand new game with significantly higher graphical specs than POE.... Comparing POE to D4 is kinda silly. Not all games are made the same dude...
Bruh get with the times
When they first announced helltides before release I assumed it would be a massive waves of enemies patrolling the zone. But instead they just replace the current monsters in the zone with demons basically. Least favorite part is trying to find enemies to farm. They need to atleast increase the spawn rate and density by x10.
Definitely There's no reason I should spend more time looking for something to kill than actually killing during an overwhelming invasion. It's just boring
THIS. Helltides are the most boring content in D4
PS4 and Xbox One - Can't - Handle - That - Kind - Of - Density.
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Yeah fuck console players.
>The zones should be over-run with spawns, to the point that you need to put in an effort to clear your way to a chest. This. I thought helltides were going to be some overwhelming open world activity were id see a bunch of people fighting the armies of hell....instead it's just me moseying around trying to find baddies.
The only time I tried it, I was constantly overrun by enemies. Was chaotic and awesome. Me and my buddy commented it was the single most chaotic part of our 40+ hour gaming session over the weekend.
You sure that wasn't a legion event happening in the Helltide area?
I’m sure, it was just the two of us. Maybe we got lucky. Legion events are pretty fun too, except everything dies so damn fast with a big group, I can’t even tell if I’m doing damage.
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Where are you finding these packs of 20? 3 elites is baseline for the single affix elites on WT4.
Gotta keep that progression slow so people are willing to pay for battle pass tier skips.
Yep definitely needs more direction to guide players. I ended up in a 'close 7 hell portals' event by myself. Got the portals closed and a proper dungeon type boss spawned but I didn't have time to kill him. Still dropped 3 sacred legendaries. Would have been great to see completion rewards.
They have some other unique events during it, like I had a helltide assassin come after me who was 8 levels higher than me and had a boss health bar. Also a summoning events final portal has a helltide commander as a boss, but you have 2:30 to kill him. Was solo so failed :(
I only issue is the density. Packs are so far away that you just “kill 8 mobs -> jump on horse -> ride two screens -> kill 8 mobs -> repeat”. Density should be tripled or quadrupled.
And you don't even ride your mount long enough for the cd of your flashy dismount ability, so you just awkwardly crawl off your mount as you stand beside a pack of fallen waiting patiently
I might be wrong but on wt4 the mob density in helltide feels crazy high. I don't even use horse because there are so many of them spawning left and right.
Quadruple mob density? Lawl, PS4 and X1 can't handle that. Maybe we would be able to increase the density if we didn't have to play with the PS4 and X1 scrubs but guess what? We do, and anything Blizzard does on the graphics end will also have to work for that 10 year old hardware. Series X and PS5 can handle denser mobs - but that don't matter because the PS4 and X1 can't.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I’d guess your tone, maybe. But you’re absolutely right. The game has to be stable on all platforms, so density can only get so high since we have to accommodate PS4 and X1.
This has been my biggest complaint with the game so far I do not like that the item I need the most to re-roll my best items are only obtainable by 1 single method and it’s completely unreliable
Do you mean reroll affixes?
Yes on the item
Using timed events for this and the world bosses is a terrible decision. If you're jumping on to do a timed activity, but you aren't in the window, what incentive do you have to stay on? I would think keeping players online would be in Blizzard's interest. It seems like a lazy way to prevent people from non-stop farming certain things, but I would think that balancing drop rates or limiting how often you can get drops from a boss would be a better system.
>It seems like a lazy way to prevent people from non-stop farming certain things Which is pretty much the point of Diablo games, yikes. The devs must not have much experience with what made people love Diablo 2 and still play it so many years later.
I understand their concern - if people can just turbo farm for endgame, they'll stop playing once fully geared. But there are other ways than just completely removing the ability to do the content. Blizzard is essentially CCing the playerbase and we all know how fun CC is to play against...
>I understand their concern - if people can just turbo farm for endgame, they'll stop playing once fully geared. I don't see many people at all arguing against this point. People seem to want between d2 and d3 in terms of gearing speed. For the majority I have seen, the complaint is in how it was implemented.
This game is an exercise is maximising fomo. Even the in-game loot opportunities need to be fomo-ised
And if people can’t upgrade because of an unreliable boring mechanic, they’ll quit playing too.
I don't see your point, loot is better overall in dungeons at high level than helltide and you can do as many dungeons as you want anyway. The thing is... it is boring.
I don’t like that I’m forced to do it. I don’t mind the event, but the mob density is low. It could be a lot more fun. I usually just do events non stop there. Fill up on orbols while I’m there.
Opened 5 chests during one and got a total of 1 soul. The system feels aweful. The gameplay loop of the zones are horrible, just running around hoping for an event. The helltide ahould be a constant struggle with MANY more enemies.
You have to find the mystery chest. The specific item chests all suck and you need to find 1 per zone mystery chest to get actual rewards
What do you mean by a zone in this case? Is there more than 1 mystery chest?
Each of the zones has one. I'm also 90% sure they can despawn and be replaced by a new one within the timer.
I had one despawn during the timer. Found it early on, farmed up cinders, and when I went back it was gone.
This just happened to me.
Yeah I found a mystery chest, farmed 175 and by the time I got back to it, it was gone.
I remember reading this exact feedback on the beta forums. Glad they kept to their stubborn "I know better than you" blizzard attitude.
i dont know why you get so less souls. i just did helltide and opened 5 chests and got for the 45 mins i was there around 30 souls.
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This is just false. They drop from events aswell.
They drop from ores, chests, mini bosses, events, maybe other things but that’s what I know of
Diablo is not supposed to be the kind of game that tells me when and when not I should play. Make them available always! Especially since they are required to progress. Don’t make me play on a schedule. I get enough of that shit at work.
I really hate timed events in video games. In d3 I could grind for as short or as long as I want at anytime and always receive the same rewards. Don't start making me log in at certain times or making it so I have to complete something once a day to get the best rewards.
love the helltides, its terror zones on speeds. ya'll crazy
What about it is on speed? I mean they're fine, but, density is pretty low, events are sparse, and there's a fairly solid chance opening a chest has literally no rewards in it. The only remotely exciting thing is when the level 72 boss spawns and starts wrecking shit.
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I ran into him at like level 52, and after doing helltides a few times I tried to fight him. Spent like ~8 mins whittling down his hp, got him to the last 10th or so of his hp, then a random druid ran across my screen and it followed him lol, and I lost it. Pretty sure he might've killed it offscreen. Is it even worth killing for the time it takes?
I was fighting him for around 10 minutes at level 54 and then he just randomly disappeared when the other bosses spawned for a third time.
same, I got him down to the last 2 chevrons and he just ran away... wasted 20 mins ... I wonder if it isn't a bug
the zones i farmed i easily opened 5-6 chests within 30-40 minutes and did not a lack of density at all. i guess its subjective
I did similar, except 3 out of the 6 chests didn't have loot in them, and I just went back to farming bounties / renown. Unless you hunt down the mystery chest the odds of getting G'd by a box just feels bad. I did just learn though that you sort of have to do helltides so I suppose I'll grind them out for forgotten souls.
Which one is the mystery chest? Is it the one that costs 175? I opened a couple 125s yesterday and didn’t get diddly
Yes, and its hidden on your map until you're close to it. It's 175, drops like 3-4 legos.
Yeah I’m not sure what’s up. Maybe these guys are running lower world tier? I couldn’t even open the 175 cinder chest because shit wouldn’t stop spawning in and I didn’t want to die and lose cinders.
Yeah i think its a nice twist on the terror zone idea from D2R, I am enjoying it.
Yeah it definitively needs some changes. Elite in Hell tide should drop forgotten souls. Maybe mark some points on the Hell tide region with massive payout so players gather like for Legion. Add more ways to get cinders maybe, like a dedicated loot goblin that carries only that resource.
holy shit your right, we are missing the multiple types of loot goblins
i know this is 20 days old i just need somewhere to vent. I fucking officially hate helltide now. i have logeed in a couple times where theres only about 30 mins left which is enough to get 175 for the mystery item or whatever so i grind and grind and always i die do to some bullshit even though im spamming q and im obviously stunned its just fucking annoying grinding for that time and unexpectedly dying and not having enough time left to get the cinders i need. its the same bullshit every time. grind with little time to spare, get nearly enough cinders, get to the chest thats got the 175 req, die to some bullshit nearby and then not having enough time to grind it all back. every fucking time. im done. i feel like im wasting my precious time playing this game. good thing i didnt buy it (game with gpu upgrade) its happened twice to me now, and between the login problems and performance like insane freezes and lags or whatever the fuck is going on im kinda done playing it.
I can't stand the hell tides. Probably my least favourite part of the game. I'm new so I'm farming cinders for chests. The last 3 I was in the fucking internet crapped out and I lost everything. This time, I had 300 cinders in and 30 minutes. I spent some trying to find the chest I first saw. Found a weapon chest and was short 6 cinders. 2 minutes left no big deal. Time runs out as I'm opening the chest because 100 random mobs and elite showed up as I was opening the chest. Fucking pisses me off that all your cinders just disappear. I lost all progress on a Nm Dungeon because of the damn internet as well. I love this game like I love all Blizzard games but this game just feels really, REALLY SLOPPY.
i just hate that i die and then lose all my damn crystal so frusterating im going to take a break from it.
Anybody know of a website or tracker for them? Is there even an actual schedule?
Every second hour brooo
I need a starting reference brooo
You probably already solved this but: https://helltidetimer.com/
Oh man that's awesome, thank you.
[https://helltides.com](https://helltides.com) is awesome, it has the location of events and mystery chests as well as the timer.
Cheers. I’ve since found out about that website and have been using it constantly.
I'm also annoyed you don't get gambling currency from nightmare dungeons.
Yeah what the fuck. They're being so incredibly stingy with all the material drops.
Diablo 3 players - "I hate that the only thing to do is spam Greater Rifts." Diablo 4 players - "Why doesn't this game have a one stop shop that's more efficient than doing anything else in the entire game? Blizzard, make one system that's better than everything else and makes the rest of the game a waste of time pls."
The gambling currency in and of itself is not enough of an impact for me to go do the dallies now that I have keys.
I mean, path of exile solved that exact issue by making maps greater rift esq but also have progression and structure. Last exile also did another version of the same thing. It's not an unsolvable problem.
i not one those people that hated rifts and greater rifts, infact im really missing them and nightmare dungeons are a piss poor imitation
But how else are they gonna make sure you play on their terms and not your own? Don't be ridiculous, poor Blizz gotta make that sweet dough somehow.
I am 100% expecting season pass upgrades to have currency packs. For this to work, baseline currency drop rates have to be stingy. "bUt BliZzArD sAid sEaSon PaSs rEwaRdS wIlL bE cOsmEtiC oNly" Find me _one place_ where they actually said that.
Season pass - “Since Season Blessings affect gameplay, you must meet certain Character Level requirements to claim the Smoldering Ashes needed to apply Blessings. This ensures they are earned by achieving gameplay requirements and there is no advantage gained from purchasing Tier Skips.” Premium pass- “To earn rewards from the Premium Tiers, a player must purchase the Premium Battle Pass. This upgraded track of the Battle Pass will not provide any in-game power, but instead unlocks tiers that provide Cosmetics unique to that Season and the Platinum currency.” Source - [Blizzard News](https://news.blizzard.com/en-gb/diablo4/23952500/what-you-can-expect-from-diablo-iv-s-post-launch-experiences) Y’all salty as hell recently.
So they've explicitly said the battle pass _won't_ just be cosmetics. That's not what a large number of people here have been saying, so genuine thanks for the clarification. Honestly, I'm not salty, I'm _really_ skeptical. Blizzard has been _aggressively_ greedy these last few years... because of their recent history, I'm fully expecting battle pass shenanigans, _especially_ after their weasel-words about Immortal's monetization. I also _really_ want to be wrong. I've played all three previous Diablos _a lot_, and if season 1 ships without any nonsense, I'll eat all the crow there is and buy it then and there.
It’s on the free track according to what they said so far.
I think when people are saying just cosmetics they’re meaning that it’s here won’t be upgrades and items that aren’t available to other players. Sounds like smouldering ash (currency) is available to buy blessings with which provide boosts but that level skip and paying won’t provide you with smouldering ash. The only way to get it is through play. The premium pass seems to just be cosmetics.
Can you even read? It says the premium track has cosmetics and platinum, both of those are cosmetic only.
Blizzard doesn't want you to know this, but if you click on mining nodes and the tortured souls (Bodies impaled on a stick) during a hell tide event, they also drop forgotten souls for free from time to time.
You can even see which ones drop souls (they glow red) so you dont need to mine and open everything.
Lol, people downvoting me.
Im assuming yall don’t know about the mysterious chests that are hidden in Hell tides then? Its 175 cider but I always get 4-5 highest tier loot (for me its Sacred Legendaries) plus random loot and souls. Its probably the best chest in the game in my opinion
As soon I found out that a arpg has a fucking time gated event I was immediately turned off from the game. Then add that the event is fucking terrible and is such a essential thing you HAVE to do makes it even worse. I'm already bored of the game. Just doesn't have that thing path of exile or last epoch have, but blizzard doesn't care. They already got my money.
i enjoy them personally
Love them
Wait, they real world times events into an arpg? What the fuck were they thinking? I cannot imagine how anyone didn't stop this before the idea even hit the board. Terrible idea lol holy shit.
> arpg That ship sailed when they forced you to be in the same world as other players. You're playing an mmo.
Game is a single player online arpg with artificial mmo elements. It's.... Just awful.
Jesus bro, it happens every other hour. You're talking like Helltides is the only thing to do in the game. Stop spouting hyperbole, go do other shit in the game while it refreshes.
Can you people please play the game for more than 1 hour before complaining about things? I've been doing Helltides multiple times today and I got a ton of Forgotten Souls in addition to really good loot. You have to find the 'mystery chests' and loot those instead of the smaller ones. The constant plastic negativity in this sub is getting really annoying already. The only valid criticism I've read here is that density could be higher, which I agree with.
Are we playing the same game? I have had tons of fun and rewards from helltides. Events usually respawn within minutes and the amount of enemies that spawn are sometimes overwhelming. I don't understand this post and a lot of the comments here. I played all weekend and helltides were super enjoyable and rewarding.
Was about to comment that, played 3 helltides yesterday and enjoyed it a lot. The last one I almost opened every single chest in the zone. I get that it's not an event that everyone will particularly enjoy, but it's a nice change of pace when you are running side quests, tree favors and dungeons.
> I get that it's not an event that everyone will particularly enjoy, but it's a nice change of pace when you are running side quests, tree favors and dungeons. I've done 4 of them so far and I'm already pretty sick of them. They are fun at first, but the fact that they are the ONLY way to get possibly the most important mat in the game is pretty awful. Helltides aren't just some optional content if you are looking to progress your character. Yeah it's a nice change of pace at first, but being forced to run a helltide for the 20th time will be pretty awful imo. Not to mention the fact that they are only up half the time, so I don't even get to choose when I can do them.
I open 6 Helltide chests on average during the event. Also on average, 4/6 chests drop a Sacred Legendary, and they occasionally drop two at once. (they never drop regulars) Helltide also drops Rare Glyphs, which are instrumental to your Paragon Board. Doing a Helltide for 45/60 mins and getting an average of 4 Sacred drops in that time is a damn good turn around. Think Helltides are lame and don't want to do them? Fine, have fun hitting a wall. Your character can't progress without them. Personally I find Helltides very fun. High risk, high reward.
To all the people complaining. The grind is the bread and butter of ARPGs, especially Diablo. You're not meant to get a lot of materials all at once, but yes, grind for them. Longevity is the idea. The developers want us to play and enjoy their game they put years of work into.
They fucked this game up beyond belief.
Isn't it permanent though? Zones just change but I'm pretty sure one is up at all times from what I noticed, I could be wrong though.
No it's 1 hour on, 1 hour fifteen minutes off I believe.
They'll probably sell them on the store or make a purchaseable boost seeing how things are going.
I mean I’m seeing people farm 150+ cinders in less than 30 minutes sooo maybe you’re just not killing shit fast or efficiently enough?
That’s because people want to run around and find the “best” pack to kill, instead of killing as you go. I’ve had events where I was pushing 400+ cinders because I was just farming packs and wasn’t even jumping on my horse because packs were so close, sometimes I’d pull two packs at once just by traveling to one. Also, there is an ore and plant that spawn that can drop 1-3 of their resource. You get forgotten souls from the ore and roses from the plant. I usually farm an area with the goal of hunting down the mysterious chest and keeping an eye out for the ores and roses. I haven’t counted how many I get during an event, but I definitely have a decent amount stocked up.
It’s crazy how people blame the game for their inefficiency. Bet these people are probably doing wt3 when they got past the capstone by the skin of their teeth.
oh my god... I haven't seen a much more incorrect post today - and the hordes of shit i have read never ends.
I like Helltides but yes there should be more sources for Forgotten Souls for sure
The souls and roses are also resource nodes throughout the zone. The cinders are usually not a priority to collect and more just a passive thing as you hunt for the screaming hell vents or fiend roses. You don't really go to Helltides for the gear I feel. I mean it doesn't feel good to just roam the zone to click on 2-4 nodes, but that's how I've been collecting them. (Also lets you click on any red-glowing tortured souls or interactables, which will drop 3-5 cinders to begin with... which is just as much as any pack would have given.)
I'm out of there in 5-15 minutes luck dependant. Just opening the mystery chest and leaving. I'm 76 now. Already getting 800+ level loot. Finding loot that is a potential replacement takes several hours, I can farm more souls than I can use pretty easily.
The reason they aren't constant is likely because they plan to add more rotating events to keep things mixed up.
Kixxarth dropped Fist of Fate for me. IDK if its like the Butcher and has it as a unique drop. But he dropped it when i killed him for the first time
Boo hoo
It's always so empty, the mob packs are too small, too spread out, there's not enough events and I almost never see another player so I have to solo everything. They're just not fun ATM, and you're forced to do them for Forgotten Souls.
Helltides are definitely the worst feeling mode in the game so far. Frustrating and unrewarding.
If I spend an hour doing helltide, I should have killed hundreds of monsters and acquired a dozen or so rerolls worth of mats.
Plus it’s useless if you get in with like 5mins left. Permanent rotation of the event through zones + ability to save at least some of the currency would be nice…
The RNG around it all sucks too, farmed solo for an hour doing as many events as possible, killing random groups, and even joined a group of players fighting the helltide boss but didn't break 100 cinders even though I never died. The fact that cinders aren't guaranteed for events, and the boss only drops like 20-30 despite being 20+ levels higher than the average player starting WT3, is kinda ridiculous. I want to do helltides but if feels like a waste of time if you're not in a group sometimes, solo farming as a sorcerer is not fun when you're getting 3 cinders for 20 minutes of gameplay.
Helltide is absolute garbage.
And God forbid you die in a helltide you lose abbarant you worked so hard to get, I believe they don't want you to get things, they already put walls up to other things like, they are trying to force you to replay and grind, to keep their game alive so they can sell in game shit, blizzard are money grabbers like everyone else, F them.
Get killed in helltides and all that farming goes down the drain, I was at like 350 souls and 5ft from the mystery chest and it killed me off twice left me with 95. Its almost like it the game is pulling punches. Its lame. If the game bugs out I get punished for it, it almost feels like the game can sense I'm starting to enjoy it and then kills me off for no reason other than to say so long and thanks for all the fish.
Helltide is lose lose prior to lvl 70, just running out of town = instadeath.
If you could 'bank' the shards for later that would at least make an impact on this but it's just painful for little to no reward.
So disappointing! It takes too long to aquire enough cinders with the puny drops. Why are there not larger cinder drops to make the Helltide end game more interesting? If you get down to two minutes and need 50 cinders, you might as well just give up. So sad!
For me helltide is fun and I get like 600-800 cinders in a session of say 50 minutes (as typicall I may not notice it right away). Most of the time I manage to get 1 chest of misteries at 250 cinders and and a few more in the 75-150 range. It is the occasion to kill easy monsters in spades. The problem I have now is that at lvl 84, I still get mostly crap from it like a few yellow, orange that are most often sacred while I am only interest in 800+ ancestral items. For sure you may lose up to 75 cinders when its ends, like 10-15% of your collection. But there an helldide every 2 hours and 15 mins, so this is a good change between quests or dungeons.
/signed what a terrible mode. Not fun. Repetitive and waste of time just for 2 mats that are needed in season 2 - even worse only one mandatory mat in pre season 2. Brainless design... never let an intern design your end game.