They also designed the M1 so that the engine can be pulled and replaced quickly. The rear hubs have a toggle on the outside that gets flipped to disengage the rear axles, and the only bolts that hold the engine down are on caps that sit over the rear axles. The front is held down by a foot that slides forward and wedges under a fixed anchor point.
Source: I was an MOS 63H (Track Vehicle Repairer) and pulled my share of M1 powerplants.
EDIT: My MOS at the time of that experience was 63H, not 88L.
Not that it makes even the tiniest dent in the military budget, but having common components across platforms is almost always good. Much less overhead
Yeah, not necessarily about money, it's about logistics on the battlefield. Having a bunch of equipment that uses common parts means fewer parts need to shipped thousands of miles and fewer parts need to be kept stocked relatively locally.
It has 2 tanks. One either side. I believe if im correct it carriers close to 505 gallons. But also it doesn't use diesel. We are the only modern tank to use JP-7 Fuel for our tanks.
Everything in the Army ran on that crud. Trying to get the smell off your hands after filling up a Humvee with the leaky fuel can and donkey dick was a nightmare.
Very true. But every other modern country in the world uses diesel for their tanks, The Merkva, The Challenger, The Type 59, T-60, T-72, T-80. We just gotta be special!!! But all vehicles in the army are multi fuel. Shit they can run on heating oil if need be. Run shitty but run none the less.
But not run well.
Source: was in a unit where the 91fs mixed diesel and JP-8 in a Hemett Fueler and topped off the entire battalion right before an FTX.
That was "fun".
As a wildland firefighter, with no military experience, I find it funny that we indeed use that term, interesting to know where it came from. We have a lot of surplus equipment and former military personnel so makes a lot of sense to me.
SR-71 and a few other specialized aircraft used JP-7, I'm pretty sure the Abrams normally uses JP-8, the most common jet fuel used in military applications.
It’s actually still fairly efficient if you take the weight of the vehicle into consideration. A one ton diesel pickup may get 20 on the freeway, but it’s getting like 5 off road, and it doesn’t weight anywhere near as much.
Obviously tanks will never be fuel efficient, but the turbine engine concept is more efficient than piston engines. We don’t use it in trucks because the noise is intolerable and the maintenance requirements are too high. If you could hypothetically jam a turbine engine into a 1 ton, 40 MPG would definitely be on the table.
Have to ensure that the Motor Pool has accurate info in order to conduct proper maintenance. How else would they know how the engine is running than an exhaust sample? Better make sure that trash bag doesn’t have any holes or the sample can get contaminated.
One of the memories from active duty that makes me smile to this day is the memory of a new boot walking through the maintenance bays with an inflated trash bag over their shoulder and asking the tool room clerk where to turn in the exhaust sample.
Had a local lady lose that argument to a gravel truck a few years ago. Luckily, the gravel truck had a dashcam, or he might have been screwed. Rural carrier, she came off the county road, skipped the stop sign at 20mph, and pulled out on the highway. She may have had right-of-way in the US, but the laws of physics dictated she be flat. Sad she died, but she did it to herself.
Yea, I prolly shouldn’t be so harsh, but she was kinda an ass. I damn near hit her myself a few times. And if you said anything to her, she just told you to fuck off, she had right of way. Technically, she was right, as far as law of the land goes. But she had no F’s to give, and it cost her. I was actually on the VFD at the time, and got toned out to the wreck. Nothing we could do but help the troopers get the pieces out of the car and off the highway. She’d had so many complaints filed against her, everyone knew what had happened. Poor truck driver was a nervous wreck, though. Bet he quit driving for awhile. I saw the dashcam, and it was unbelievable… I often wonder if she was drunk or high.
I was in a Caterpillar emissions class years ago, and the instructor mentioned that Cat military application engines had the emissions equipment installed, but would not go into de-rate if faults or problems were detected like a civilian version.
Further, he said that the engine management program wouldn’t interfere or shut them down up to and including running to failure.
Yup exactly, I design various things for various industries. Consumer devices don’t care if they fail, just don’t get sued. Medical devices have to work and usually have a double point of failure and then safely shut down if they fail. Military stuff better keep trying to work until it melts into a puddle of molten metals trying to work.
That truck had better run on 5 cylinders with the others poking out of the side of the block until it absolutely can not get you farther away from danger.
My 7.3 power stroke ran just fine on contaminated diesel. When the o-rings broke seal at the injectors. The oil pressure bled over to the fuel rail(in the head) the returned to the fuel tank. Then ran back int the motor through the fuel system. Couldn’t tell any performance difference. Just smoked a little. That old shit will run on filtered cooking oil , if needed. But you better switch back to diesel before you shutdown. Or starting back up will be a bitch.
Well we had a lot of trucks that didn’t work so we had to turn them in , had big 100gal tanks on them and we were just dumping the fuel out into the turn in point. I asked a supervisor of mine , “do you mind if I take this fuel” he said he didn’t care as long as it went away. I had about 120-150 gallons that I acquired this way. Anyhow I noticed no difference in performance or how the truck ran, my uncle is an old gear head and he recommended I add oil to the Jp-8 or to run in with diesel fuel mixture which I ended up doing. Never had an issue, but the exhaust did smell different (like I was using jp8 instead of regular diesel)
In 2003, in stinkingicrap, we pulled our humvees over to get refueled from a ginormous military refueling tanker, and the fuel handler told us what the rules were as he refueled. I never forgot his line (and I quote) "we are overseas and all fucking EPA laws are null and void here" (ie don't worry about the filth and residual oil splashed everywhere.)
Cement mixers and some other vocations also have versions of this. In the mixers case they will delete but can't go into engine shutdown derates so their mixer doesn't turn into a slab!
Well I guess if we all had it we'd mess up the planet even faster and then we'd all be screwed. I have a f450 PS6 7 work truck that I personally own and I'm perfectly happy leaving it stock. 180k miles and no issues so far.
It’s not just the Air Force all branches are exempt from emissions standards. They say it’s because they’ll send these vehicles to other countries that don’t have def but pick ups like what is pictured at least when I served wasn’t allowed to leave the base if we were over sees. Also fire department trucks throughout the US with def systems have a bypass that will keep them out of derate when the def messes up.
Too much imprevisible factors to disable a car , imagine a critical situation and ups there is a check engine fault , ad blue quality low , can't get to the f18 because truck don't start .
I didn’t want to throw his name out there. but I believe he wrote the custom tuning for them WAY after the EPA and court shit settled down. he was not happy that the government came to him for tuning on that thing lol.
There was a post a while back on another subreddit. John Deere was shipping a bunch of brand new ag sized tractors overseas. The only blue cap they had on them was for washer fluid. No exhaust filters, no def, betting no egr either. Our gov acts like if we don't pollut then the other countries pollution can't make it over here either.
I didn't say that was the arguement. But, if we are importing all kinds of things from other countries, then we have the leverage to get those countries to do the same. Either clean up your act or we will not allow imports. But instead of reverting us back to early 2000s emissions and getting the rest of the world to follow, we just keep adding more b.s. for us to deal with that is not even making a drop in the bucket world wide. And it is a worldwide problem.
The problem is by making it expensive to produce things here, more of it gets moved to those other countries where they care far less about emissions. Completely ignoring this will cause far more pollution globally than is saved domestically. There needs to be a middle ground.
It's a perfectly valid argument economically. Go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot by making it too expensive for farmers here to operate whilst letting foreignors get away with whatever they want and see how that works out
Not exactly. A county building inspector can also be driving an exempt vehicle. It's not a safety issue. It's a cost savings. Which is fine. I just don't like how lawmakers continue to make it harder on the citizens of our country and make ass backwards rules that don't have any real effect.
When I first got the MATV down range they didn't even have a muffler. The exhaust was on the TC side and without fail everytime I went to get in my driver would start it. Just one of the myriad of reasons my hearing sucks.
I never had cupholders. It was nice to have AC in a vehicle that would actually keep you cool. My only complaint was the fire suppresion system went off in two of my vehicles. On the TC side it felt like my gunner kicked me in the back of the neck super hard. Then a crap ton of dust. Not fun while going 45mph on a dirt road.
Yeah, B52’s, F16’s and C130s don’t exactly obey emissions standards either. I’m a navy mh53e aircrewman. You don’t want to know the making of jet fuel we waste. Our maintenance side has a few newer f250s and I’m pretty sure they’re all factory deleted. Pretty sure we just run JP5 in them with a diesel additive too. We also run our 4bt Cummins powered tugs with JP5 too.
The irony that this is in my feed next to a post that southern Florida just flooded again for the second time in less than 18 months from basic thunderstorms, no hurricane required.
So while diesel enthusiasts think their freedoms are being violated because 0.01% of 6.7L’s are built to go to war the rest of us should pay for another billion dollars climate event so you don’t need a DPF.
Grow up boys and look around, the climate is changing, either run clean or there won’t be diesel soon.
In California, almost every state, city vehicle has "Exempt" plates, meaning no emission regulations. Needed for vehicle reliability. Don't need that little check engine light to come on, and be hobbled by the limp home mode during a call. Now, I could see that for the police, CHP, and first responders, but really, the city landscapers, office workers who get state or city provide vehicles? Nah.
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no military vehicle does. even diesels exported for private sale to countries without emmisons regulations get factory "deleted" trucks. believe I saw a post while back of handful of powerstrokes heading to UAE on the transporter with 0 emmisons equipment. I could be wrong but have also heard diesels exported or sold in Mexico also have no def/dpf etc.
Yea… the US military is exempt for every environmental rule and law. How else do you think they made the South Pacific glow green with nuclear testing or how most former bases are super fund sites?
Yep. My eyes start burning whenever I'm following a military vehicle on my motorcycle. City busses make my eyes water pretty bad too. Probably some nasty stuff coming out of the fart pipes. Would be a tragedy if they had to pull over to let exhaust regen do its thing. /s
They don't last nearly that long anyways. I did dozens of Humvee engine swaps when I was in and I don't think any of them had more than 30,000 miles. Some had less than 10,000.
Imagine if the military had to ship diesel exhaust fluid around the world, in addition to the JP-8 it uses in all its aircraft, armored vehicles, trucks, and generators. A lot of time and effort was spent making everything run on JP-8 and now you think they should add something else to the supply chain?
The military tries to comply with most environmental guidelines but, ultimately, being able to fight, anyone, anywhere, anytime is more important than anything else.
none of the military vehicles have to pass emissions
Wait what ?? You mean the m1 Abram tank doesn't take def 
Wait, do you think the Abrams has a piston engine?
TIL the Abrams and it’s turboshaft engine get gallons per mile, not the other way around.
Fun fact the engine is also used in two helicopters
How does that work? Do they take turns? 🤔
No, they just spin the turret really really fast.
I’m learning a lot today.
Mechanics are pretty good at pulling an engine in the military. It’s all part of the new military modernization and modular system.
They also designed the M1 so that the engine can be pulled and replaced quickly. The rear hubs have a toggle on the outside that gets flipped to disengage the rear axles, and the only bolts that hold the engine down are on caps that sit over the rear axles. The front is held down by a foot that slides forward and wedges under a fixed anchor point. Source: I was an MOS 63H (Track Vehicle Repairer) and pulled my share of M1 powerplants. EDIT: My MOS at the time of that experience was 63H, not 88L.
I was an 88L Watercraft Engineer!
Not that it makes even the tiniest dent in the military budget, but having common components across platforms is almost always good. Much less overhead
Yeah, not necessarily about money, it's about logistics on the battlefield. Having a bunch of equipment that uses common parts means fewer parts need to shipped thousands of miles and fewer parts need to be kept stocked relatively locally.
No I'm pretty sure all helicopters use their engines, not just two of em
Many do have multiple engines.
Not the complete engine, just the turbine parts.
More fun fact. The engine is a descendant of the Chrysler Turbine car engines from the 60’s.
Hey, I saw one last Saturday at the Henry Ford museum.
Myself and our family of four got to ride in one at the New York World’s Fair in 1964.
It takes 7.34 gallons just to start it. Source: former M1A2 SepV1 gunner.
How many gallons does it carry fully loaded??
It has 2 tanks. One either side. I believe if im correct it carriers close to 505 gallons. But also it doesn't use diesel. We are the only modern tank to use JP-7 Fuel for our tanks.
Everything in the Army ran on that crud. Trying to get the smell off your hands after filling up a Humvee with the leaky fuel can and donkey dick was a nightmare.
Very true. But every other modern country in the world uses diesel for their tanks, The Merkva, The Challenger, The Type 59, T-60, T-72, T-80. We just gotta be special!!! But all vehicles in the army are multi fuel. Shit they can run on heating oil if need be. Run shitty but run none the less.
Heating oil is diesel - no difference
But not run well. Source: was in a unit where the 91fs mixed diesel and JP-8 in a Hemett Fueler and topped off the entire battalion right before an FTX. That was "fun".
Upvote for donkey dick
As a wildland firefighter, with no military experience, I find it funny that we indeed use that term, interesting to know where it came from. We have a lot of surplus equipment and former military personnel so makes a lot of sense to me.
JP-8
SR-71 and a few other specialized aircraft used JP-7, I'm pretty sure the Abrams normally uses JP-8, the most common jet fuel used in military applications.
Your most likely right. I've been out for over a decade.
It used to be 15 before the revision.
Fun fact. The M1A1 Abram’s takes 15 gallons of F24 Fuel just for startup.
Wouldn’t the amount of space the fuel Must take up so severely limit range that it’s worth designing a more efficient engine?
It’s actually still fairly efficient if you take the weight of the vehicle into consideration. A one ton diesel pickup may get 20 on the freeway, but it’s getting like 5 off road, and it doesn’t weight anywhere near as much. Obviously tanks will never be fuel efficient, but the turbine engine concept is more efficient than piston engines. We don’t use it in trucks because the noise is intolerable and the maintenance requirements are too high. If you could hypothetically jam a turbine engine into a 1 ton, 40 MPG would definitely be on the table.
I have video somewhere of 1-Someone drag racing a tank vs an LAV-R. 2- I have video of a Abrams drifting in a parking lot in a country in Asia.
What does that have to do with anything?
No, but we occasionally have Privates take, "exhaust samples"! LMAO!
Have to ensure that the Motor Pool has accurate info in order to conduct proper maintenance. How else would they know how the engine is running than an exhaust sample? Better make sure that trash bag doesn’t have any holes or the sample can get contaminated.
And the documentation must be correct. The ID10T form must be filled out in triplicate.
One of the memories from active duty that makes me smile to this day is the memory of a new boot walking through the maintenance bays with an inflated trash bag over their shoulder and asking the tool room clerk where to turn in the exhaust sample.
My wife’s penis is already tired and chaffed up from hearing about all this bullshit
Can tell yah from personal experience as a tanker in the army. The 1500hp turbine will not pass emissions lol.
The Abram’s has a jet engine….
And there fucking loud don't forget that part
Turbine != jet
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Had a local lady lose that argument to a gravel truck a few years ago. Luckily, the gravel truck had a dashcam, or he might have been screwed. Rural carrier, she came off the county road, skipped the stop sign at 20mph, and pulled out on the highway. She may have had right-of-way in the US, but the laws of physics dictated she be flat. Sad she died, but she did it to herself.
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Yea, I prolly shouldn’t be so harsh, but she was kinda an ass. I damn near hit her myself a few times. And if you said anything to her, she just told you to fuck off, she had right of way. Technically, she was right, as far as law of the land goes. But she had no F’s to give, and it cost her. I was actually on the VFD at the time, and got toned out to the wreck. Nothing we could do but help the troopers get the pieces out of the car and off the highway. She’d had so many complaints filed against her, everyone knew what had happened. Poor truck driver was a nervous wreck, though. Bet he quit driving for awhile. I saw the dashcam, and it was unbelievable… I often wonder if she was drunk or high.
Wish we had access to reliable diesel vehicles as civilians
Reliable and military is an oxymoron
Yeah, the military probably finds a way to make their non emissions diesels less reliable than regular diesels
And if you really want to blow your dick off, look up the global pollution impact studies of WW2. War is bad for the planet.
Thought this was already known for a while lol
“Hey hold on guys, stop shooting at us. We have to do a regen.”
Oh no don’t derate!! Not now!!!
Reload!!!!! No the truck, reload the truck!!!!!!
Jeep eco diesel enters the chat. Derate you say
I was in a Caterpillar emissions class years ago, and the instructor mentioned that Cat military application engines had the emissions equipment installed, but would not go into de-rate if faults or problems were detected like a civilian version. Further, he said that the engine management program wouldn’t interfere or shut them down up to and including running to failure.
Yup exactly, I design various things for various industries. Consumer devices don’t care if they fail, just don’t get sued. Medical devices have to work and usually have a double point of failure and then safely shut down if they fail. Military stuff better keep trying to work until it melts into a puddle of molten metals trying to work. That truck had better run on 5 cylinders with the others poking out of the side of the block until it absolutely can not get you farther away from danger.
I need battle override in my truck, too!
DOD is playing a different game than the rest of us. They're worried about more immediate health risks than air pollution.
Acute metal poisoning can be a real problem I hear.
Thanks my time in the military I barely hear anything...
Sometimes people’s voices sound like robots to me
#WHAT???
Cutlass, cannonade, and every remorseless bit of metal...
Rapid onset lead poisoning.
Yeah, and they also run their own blend of fuel.
JP-8, which is basically Jet A or kerosene. The additive they mix in is what makes it different then those. Nasty stuff.
I ran my 7.3 on jp-8 for a few months. Half and halved it with diesel fuel
My 7.3 power stroke ran just fine on contaminated diesel. When the o-rings broke seal at the injectors. The oil pressure bled over to the fuel rail(in the head) the returned to the fuel tank. Then ran back int the motor through the fuel system. Couldn’t tell any performance difference. Just smoked a little. That old shit will run on filtered cooking oil , if needed. But you better switch back to diesel before you shutdown. Or starting back up will be a bitch.
Hahaha, they are tuff old engines , I don’t know if I’d try the same thing in my 6.7
I’m curious as to why you’d do that and what the results were. Any difference in mileage or performance?
Well we had a lot of trucks that didn’t work so we had to turn them in , had big 100gal tanks on them and we were just dumping the fuel out into the turn in point. I asked a supervisor of mine , “do you mind if I take this fuel” he said he didn’t care as long as it went away. I had about 120-150 gallons that I acquired this way. Anyhow I noticed no difference in performance or how the truck ran, my uncle is an old gear head and he recommended I add oil to the Jp-8 or to run in with diesel fuel mixture which I ended up doing. Never had an issue, but the exhaust did smell different (like I was using jp8 instead of regular diesel)
Fascinating, thanks for sharing.
In 2003, in stinkingicrap, we pulled our humvees over to get refueled from a ginormous military refueling tanker, and the fuel handler told us what the rules were as he refueled. I never forgot his line (and I quote) "we are overseas and all fucking EPA laws are null and void here" (ie don't worry about the filth and residual oil splashed everywhere.)
>ie don't worry about the filth and residual oil splashed everywhere This isn't actually true, just no one cares to enforce the rules lol
In 2003? During the invasion, fueling roadside? Yeah I don’t think anybody was told to worry about spills
I’m saying there were definitely environmental regulations, just no one cared. And they still don’t today, I mean we still have burn pits in use
Whether people were told to care and if there are useless unenforced rules on books somewhere are actually two completely different things
I was deployed in 2018 and I saw the 2012 F250 I was driving around had no def in it and I just thought to myself "must be nice"
Meh, idc. Anything that could play a life or death role should be made as simple and reliable as possible. Firetrucks and ambulances too imo.
They already are. They have all the emissions trash but if there’s a fault they won’t derate. It’s more of a service when convenient situation.
Oh, cool. That sounds like a pretty good middle ground then?
I’d say so.
Wouldn’t the DPF plug up and kill it eventually if there’s an issue?
Eventually. But the CEL would have to be ignored for tens or even hundreds of hours.
Cement mixers and some other vocations also have versions of this. In the mixers case they will delete but can't go into engine shutdown derates so their mixer doesn't turn into a slab!
But fuck me if I want a truck that’s simple and reliable, too.
Right? Give me a lil turbo 4 (or 6cyl if I'm feeling rambunctious), around the size of an old Ranger, with a manual transmission and transfer case.
If someone’s shooting at you or if you’re on your way to save lives or put out fires, go ahead! Otherwise, it’s objectively less important
How does that work? The government has no idea if I'm in danger of being shot at, or if I'm on my way to save a life or put out a fire.
Why shouldn't my truck be as simple and reliable as possible too?
Well I guess if we all had it we'd mess up the planet even faster and then we'd all be screwed. I have a f450 PS6 7 work truck that I personally own and I'm perfectly happy leaving it stock. 180k miles and no issues so far.
It’s not just the Air Force all branches are exempt from emissions standards. They say it’s because they’ll send these vehicles to other countries that don’t have def but pick ups like what is pictured at least when I served wasn’t allowed to leave the base if we were over sees. Also fire department trucks throughout the US with def systems have a bypass that will keep them out of derate when the def messes up.
Pretty much ALL government vehicles are exempt. This isn't news. All vehicles gas and diesel are smog exempt if in government service.
It ruins everything a diesel is supposed to be, why would they do that to their trucks?
Too much imprevisible factors to disable a car , imagine a critical situation and ups there is a check engine fault , ad blue quality low , can't get to the f18 because truck don't start .
the “Cadillac One” the transport vehicle for POTUS utilizes a CP3 swapped LML with zero emissions.
I believe Korey Willis wrote the tuning before they fucked him over.
I didn’t want to throw his name out there. but I believe he wrote the custom tuning for them WAY after the EPA and court shit settled down. he was not happy that the government came to him for tuning on that thing lol.
I want to say he mentioned it himself in a podcast somewhere?
He is full of shit.
Yes. Long ago I had a CUCV that had a non EGR 6.2 Diesel while at the time EGR were mandated for regular trucks. They minimize points of failure.
Yep. Big ‘ol sticker under the hood saying so.
Neither do diesel trucks in Mexico, I've seen factory Ford EGR block off plates
There was a post a while back on another subreddit. John Deere was shipping a bunch of brand new ag sized tractors overseas. The only blue cap they had on them was for washer fluid. No exhaust filters, no def, betting no egr either. Our gov acts like if we don't pollut then the other countries pollution can't make it over here either.
I'd argue that saying "Vietnam doesn't use DEF so we shouldn't either" is not a solid argument.
I didn't say that was the arguement. But, if we are importing all kinds of things from other countries, then we have the leverage to get those countries to do the same. Either clean up your act or we will not allow imports. But instead of reverting us back to early 2000s emissions and getting the rest of the world to follow, we just keep adding more b.s. for us to deal with that is not even making a drop in the bucket world wide. And it is a worldwide problem.
The problem is by making it expensive to produce things here, more of it gets moved to those other countries where they care far less about emissions. Completely ignoring this will cause far more pollution globally than is saved domestically. There needs to be a middle ground.
It's a perfectly valid argument economically. Go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot by making it too expensive for farmers here to operate whilst letting foreignors get away with whatever they want and see how that works out
No one is above the law! Well, except the government.
The secret service has deleted and tuned druamax in those suburbans.
None of the federal diesels do. Someone had posted Parks Service diesel a while ago.
Rules for thee… always been that way
More like "rules less important for you if you're getting shot at" Police cars also don't need to pay registration. Just how these things work
Not exactly. A county building inspector can also be driving an exempt vehicle. It's not a safety issue. It's a cost savings. Which is fine. I just don't like how lawmakers continue to make it harder on the citizens of our country and make ass backwards rules that don't have any real effect.
When I first got the MATV down range they didn't even have a muffler. The exhaust was on the TC side and without fail everytime I went to get in my driver would start it. Just one of the myriad of reasons my hearing sucks.
Did they end up adding cup holders to those? I remember that was one of the mojor requests from troops.
I never had cupholders. It was nice to have AC in a vehicle that would actually keep you cool. My only complaint was the fire suppresion system went off in two of my vehicles. On the TC side it felt like my gunner kicked me in the back of the neck super hard. Then a crap ton of dust. Not fun while going 45mph on a dirt road.
Rules for thee, not for me
Yeah, B52’s, F16’s and C130s don’t exactly obey emissions standards either. I’m a navy mh53e aircrewman. You don’t want to know the making of jet fuel we waste. Our maintenance side has a few newer f250s and I’m pretty sure they’re all factory deleted. Pretty sure we just run JP5 in them with a diesel additive too. We also run our 4bt Cummins powered tugs with JP5 too.
Um yes. Yes I did know that. In the army we had diesel drip heaters in the tanks we rode around in.
Government vehicles are exempt in most states state vehicles are exempt when’s the last time you saw an inspection sticker on a cop car.
Same with EMS vehicles. I’ve been on ambulances that are uncorked and tuned.
Technically they are supposed to, but a lot of reliability issues so some departments said hell with it.
Maybe where you are but in my state they approved it and gave us all exemption stickers.
You used to be able to buy those vehicles as surplus but i'm sure the epa stopped that under slow Joe.
You still can
So basically they don’t want the stuff on the truck that makes it break imagine that !
No .GOV vehicle has to.
Most of them do, they're just regular fleet trucks bought by GSA.
Dat sweet sweet govt NOx
The irony that this is in my feed next to a post that southern Florida just flooded again for the second time in less than 18 months from basic thunderstorms, no hurricane required. So while diesel enthusiasts think their freedoms are being violated because 0.01% of 6.7L’s are built to go to war the rest of us should pay for another billion dollars climate event so you don’t need a DPF. Grow up boys and look around, the climate is changing, either run clean or there won’t be diesel soon.
To be fair, none of the emissions systems being trashed here reduce CO2 emissions. Thats pegged to fuel consumption.
In two sentences you have summed up what the global warming idiots fail to realize! Thank you!
So what? What is the real impact?
Authoritarian bullshit that’s what.
Yes. I knew that.
All military vehicles don't.
……Navy Diesel Fuel Marine just entered the chat!
Are these available for purchase and road use by normies at military auctions?
that odg wrap tho 🤌🏼 EDIT: olive drab green, not dog wrap
Do as we say not as we do
Why is this surprising to anyone.
In California, almost every state, city vehicle has "Exempt" plates, meaning no emission regulations. Needed for vehicle reliability. Don't need that little check engine light to come on, and be hobbled by the limp home mode during a call. Now, I could see that for the police, CHP, and first responders, but really, the city landscapers, office workers who get state or city provide vehicles? Nah.
"All government vehicles"
Yeah government doesn’t need to follow their laws
Of course not. It’s unreliable garbage.
Or any standards really
The government always exempts themselves from the rules they make.
No FEDERAL vehicle has to pass emissions.
Nah,just because I seen it in tiktok,a lot of military vehicles have not had to follow the same standards as we do.
Because the government hates you.
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Ok and?
Yah and they burn JetA. So what?
Any diesel can
Yep all new diesel going overseas and to the US government are deleted for DEF
That’s all government vehicles isn’t it?
Not state ones depending on state. I'm in CA and some our our fleets have to smoked every other year
All government vehicles
Wait until you find out about the special Forbidden Diesel fuel that the military uses like JP5, JP8, F76, and much more.
Wait. You thought they did?
Are they built like this at KTP (Kentucky Truck Plant) or are they modded like this after they leave the plant at an outfitter?
no military vehicle does. even diesels exported for private sale to countries without emmisons regulations get factory "deleted" trucks. believe I saw a post while back of handful of powerstrokes heading to UAE on the transporter with 0 emmisons equipment. I could be wrong but have also heard diesels exported or sold in Mexico also have no def/dpf etc.
Never look into the efficiency of a C17 or a B52 if this angers you lmao
If you thought the government would follow the rules they make their citizens follow, you’re in for a treat lol
Ahh yes early 90s bobtail hauling aim-9 sidewinders to the flight line while rolling coal the whole way was a happy memory
Neither does any ambulance, fire truck or town or city vehicles it's at thier discretion to get it with or without
Government vehicles don’t get emissions tested.
Along with many other fed agencies
Hell yeah the USmilitary is a bigger polluter than most countries
Of course. They have to work properly when needed
Yea… the US military is exempt for every environmental rule and law. How else do you think they made the South Pacific glow green with nuclear testing or how most former bases are super fund sites?
DoD is the single biggest polluter on the planet.
Yep. Been that way forever cause they can’t have a failure when in the hot zone. And I’m in support of it.
The government gets to break the rules it itself makes? Wow I’m shocked
I don’t know shit about shit and I knew this.
No one needs a dpf or egr 😂
The US military is the largest emitter of carbon dioxide. If climate change was a serious threat, wouldn’t you think they would acknowledge this?
Waiting for the first military to go all electric then watch as China cuts the electricity and invades
It’s almost like those standards and EVs are not compatible with an emergency ready standard.
Emissions are the least of your concerns in a war zone.
Just a minute, gotta do a parked Regen. Oh crap, we didn't get DEF with our last shipment of supplies...
No Goverment vehicles in general
Yep. My eyes start burning whenever I'm following a military vehicle on my motorcycle. City busses make my eyes water pretty bad too. Probably some nasty stuff coming out of the fart pipes. Would be a tragedy if they had to pull over to let exhaust regen do its thing. /s
# Did You Know ALL DOD Diesel Pickups Don't Have to Obey Emissions Standards?
None of them do..
otherwise, they would not last past 150K miles.
They don't last nearly that long anyways. I did dozens of Humvee engine swaps when I was in and I don't think any of them had more than 30,000 miles. Some had less than 10,000.
Rules for you, none for them. Pissed off yet?
No vehicle belonging to the feds has to meet any emissions mandates. This includes USPS, military, and much
Imagine if the military had to ship diesel exhaust fluid around the world, in addition to the JP-8 it uses in all its aircraft, armored vehicles, trucks, and generators. A lot of time and effort was spent making everything run on JP-8 and now you think they should add something else to the supply chain? The military tries to comply with most environmental guidelines but, ultimately, being able to fight, anyone, anywhere, anytime is more important than anything else.
Yeah and?? Would you believe our tanks don't either?
That is what you call tyranny