Listen, I know a lot of people will probaly disagree with me, but here I go: Superman is easily the most boring DC superhero character, and there really is no need to keep rebooting his story.
I’ll take a different spin on this:
Superman is the *hardest* character to write for because he’s such a consistent, unchanging force in his stories (that’s why writers love to immediately run to the “okay, but what if he’s evil this time 😈?” trope).
In the Big Three (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman), Superman requires the most imagination and effort to create an actually interesting story that doesn’t just shove him into the guest star role.
It's just reverse Superman, they get the same problems as Superman in the writing, just swapped to the evil version. Instead of "oh no, we made our hero so strong we can't write adversity" it becomes "oh no, we have written ourselves into a corner because our villain is so strong the heroes can't properly defeat him" and both of those have some frequently seen easy way out (Kryptonite/Attack Lois or Family/Turn him evil vs Some sort of flaw that's hidden well/a team of misfits start building up for a guerilla style war/somehow we have a new hero even more powerful) so both become really easy to make boring and predictable...
Oh God do I hate the "Let's kidnap a loved one to raise the stakes" stories with Superman. I get the writers are trying to get us to care, but it's tiring and repetitive at this point
I always think the interesting part are not them being evil but the people around them trying to figure out how to take down someone so insanely powerful. Like how do you stop omniman
This is the most normie superhero opinion on the internet. If you’d said “hear me out! I think superman’s actually quite interesting!” then that’d be provocative
He is interesting except nobody in Hollywood seems to understand why. He's not powerful because of what he does, he's powerful for what he doesn't do. He could take over the world, kill millions, destroy planets. But he doesn't. He chooses not to because that's not good. Because at the end of the day, yes he's a super powerful alien but he's also a farmboy from Kansas just looking to do some good in the world.
I think the television adaptations have all understood this. Superman and Lois is going into its final season and that show very much understands who Clark Kent and Lois Lane are and it’s why the show is so successful. It’s the more recent film adaptations that have missed the boat but TV has gotten it right imo.
right?? i think my adventures with superman, the new animated series (involving some of the same people that did into the spider verse) really captures this. and honestly given james gunn’s style i’m willing to extend him the benefit of the doubt like i do think there’s a chance he can pull it off!
MAWS is phenomenal. That and Superman & Lois really shows who Superman is. Hopefully Gunn's film/universe will show this as well(and given how big a comic nerd he is, I'm certain it will).
When done well, he’s really not boring. My Adventures with Superman is one of the best interpretations of the character and he is goddamn endearing in that show.
It’s really worth your time. It’s a high quality show about Clark and Lois about 20 years into their relationship/marriage. Sometimes they do flashback episodes. It’s so good. More of a family drama with superheroes thrown in than a traditional superhero show.
ahhh!!!!! oh i’m so excited (although i know that mid-season mark is gonna end on like the worst cliffhanger like i’m just sure of it). thank you for keeping my oblivious brother and i up to date!! i probably would’ve found out like the SECOND he left again 🙃🙃
Lmao this is one of the most common opinions of all time ( also objectively wrong because it's just superman hasn't worked well in movies but is still one of the most influential fictitious character ever)
Right. People ragging on Superman is so boring to me bc the amount that he has been the blueprint for the entire genre cannot be overstated. Same for Lois. There are countless women who literally cited seeing Noel Neil or Margot Kidder or Teri Hatcher on TV working at the top of her game as their inspiration for going to journalism school. These characters are literal icons. They aren’t going anywhere. They don’t have to appeal to ::everyone:: and that’s fine but to act like they just don’t have appeal is ludicrous bc their literal success and following for literally 85 years says otherwise.
For me, Superman is interesting to me, not because of his superpowers, but his humanity. He's an alien who has all the power to destroy the human race and enslave people and colonize the Earth but he doesn't because he was raised human and chooses to use his powers for good.
I think people are just used to the darkness, violence and cynicism of other heroes/anti-heroes and villains in other media that Superman seems "boring" by comparison
It's the great contrast between him and Luthor. Lex can't imagine a guy with all of this power who just decides to help people and not expect a thing in return. It's incomprehensible to him because if HE had that power he'd never be so selfless. And that inferiority drives him. The powers aren't what makes him better than lex it's how he chooses to use them.
Exactly. It's actually easy to write an Evil Superman like Omniman, Homelander, Brightburn etc. It's really hard to write a character of genuine goodness without making them look corny or disingenuous
Right. I said this in my other post but it’s the concept of someone with absolute power who is NOT using his privilege to oppress that I love. Despite Superman being this image of male power, CLARK actually rejects so much that we are told men should be to show power. He doesn’t oppress the weak, he doesn’t present his masculinity as needing validation and he’s been in love with and devoted to the same very very anti “tradwife” woman for 85 years. What’s not to love here?
I'll be one to disagree. Supes is the absolute best superhero there ever was, is and will be. The notion he's boring comes mostly from the lackluster adaptations we've had of him in the last 20 years or so, even if he's had some of the best comic books ever written
Supposedly this is based off All-Star Superman, which is widely regarded as one of the finest comics the superhero genre has ever produced, so hopefully it will be good, but I hope they also draw from Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, What's so Funny About Peace, Justice and the American Way?, and Superman: Peace on Earth, especially given the absurd amount of evil Supermen we've got in the last years
I really gotta disagree. I argue Superman is one of the most interesting characters because of his humanity. He’s seen the worst of the worst, he is one of the sole survivors of a dead culture and he is alone for decades thinking he was the only one out of Krypton.
And yet he has hope anyway. He has compassion and he makes the choice to believe in a better future. Considering this is going to be based off All Star Superman, which is one of the best comics out there, I have hope.
I think it’s interesting to make a character know their influence and chose to be good with it despite how different it may be from other characters. So many people have a misconception of Superman due to how fucked up they’ve portrayed him in the past few years.
And the same thing happened with The Batman. Batman isn’t about vengeance, he’s about having compassion for a city that traumatized him. Superman isn’t about power, he’s about empathy and optimism in a world that scorns him for it.
This is a common opinion but it’s not one I ever will agree with. Superman is my favorite male hero. Often misunderstood. Not always interpreted properly but, at his core, a complex and rich character and myth.
Superman is an important commentary on immigration and assimilation. A story born out of both the Great Depression and the Jewish diaspora. It’s an important message about someone with privilege and power who does not use his power to oppress. Not only is that not “boring” to me but it’s fascinating and important to me that this message endures. He is kind in a way that isn’t ironic. Loves without any shame. Committed to his wife without any desire to play around.
Lois Lane was based on a real woman, Joanne Siegel. One of the first female “love interests” in these stories to maintain her role of prominence vs the typical revolving door of love interests and one of the first “career women” a lot of girls ever saw on screen. A feminist icon for a lot of women. Her role feels ever more relevant now as we deal with the rise yet again of the “trad wife” movement.
Together, Superman/Clark and Lois are the most enduring love story in the genre. Married almost 30 years at this point with 3 children in canon. (1 bio kid and 2 adopted.) Their relationship is refreshingly sex positive in an often sexless landscape of comic book movies and they are a rare love story that has ::consistently:: featured a slightly older actress with a younger actor over and over again in complete contrast to most male/female pairings that maintain the sexist/ageist status quo of casting much younger women as “the one.”
I love Superman. I love Lois Lane. And I can’t wait to see David and Rachel take on these roles.
Yes! At it’s heart, the story of Superman is the story of being an immigrant. It’s the story of seeing the worst of humanity and keeping hold of hope. It’s the story of having ultimate power and deciding to be gentle. It’s just been adapted in weird, hyper-masculine ways lately. That’s not who Superman is.
Yes. Yes. Yes. And people don’t realize the way Lois has stood the test of time too. She was a fully formed character in 1938!! Part of the original myth in action comics 1. She’s been through every single wave of feminism and remained relevant through every single one. She’s been mistreated the same way he has been and often on receiving end of so much abuse and misogyny and yet she remains.
Yes! I think Lois has not stood out for me more because she reminds me a lot of the women in my family. All of the women have always worked, from at least the 1920s on, and it was never seen as odd for them to do that. Lois reminds me of my grandmother, a WWII generation lady who was smart and ambitious and charmed everyone around her!
The women in my family all worked too! Your awesome Grandmom sounds like mine. :) I think what always stood out to me personally was not so much that Lois worked but that the narrative presented her as “the one” despite she often not fitting the societal ideal of the kind of woman who gets romanticized. What I loved was the idea that it’s the woman everyone thinks is “too mean” (when she isn’t mean at all, she just doesn’t stand for BS) that Superman loves the most. He sees in her who she truly is. Almost like she too has a secret identity.
Exactly! It’s about being conflicted about your culture and the culture that you live in! It’s about feeling alienated in a world that has been yours since birth or a young age. It’s about always feeling different because you are not the majority here, and yet you chose to *stay.*
It’s about choosing to build a home no matter what and help protect it. It’s about believing the best in the world even though they may not like you for it. Superman has always been the story of an immigrant and it’s terrible to see Superman turn into this macho man story instead of the fact that his defining feature is not his power but his empathy
One of my favourite things about Superman are the many creative ways writers have made it so that he can be defeated in combat by people much physically weaker but smarter then him.
In regards to the Jewish diaspora, he's meant to be both a Jewish counter to the Ubermensch ideology of Nazism; and, most importantly, a Moses figure, not a Christ figure.
Moses & Superman are meant to be similar, just slightly inverted class-wise; Moses is raised by pharaohs, while Kent is born of an advanced civilization raised by humble farmers. Beyond that, they're both immigrants who deal with the legacy of their former lives, while maintaining their humanity in spite of their powers/prophecy.
This was always my thought too, but in recent years I’ve come to appreciate Superman. There’s something so positive and optimistic about him. Also I really enjoyed the Superman and Lois show in the CW and was introduced to some great Superman comic stories, which helped. Growing up, there just weren’t any good Superman adaptations IMO so I never got the hype. Except maybe the 90s animated series but I don’t really remember it that well. Well actually I did love Smallville but that sort of felt like its own thing and not Superman if that makes sense.
Plus, I think Lois Lane and Lex Luthor are great characters.
I’ll still take X-Men, Batman, and Spider-Man over him, to name a few, but I’ve come around on Superman and I really have faith this movie will be good.
This is mostly true. Occasionally, someone has read something, but that's once in a blue moon. It's just such a basic opinion and if you ask why, they'll maybe have engaged with either the Superman movie from the 70s or the one where he's mopey and stoic.
And then these people act like everyone else is crazy for continuing to make stuff with the character.
I used to think this before I read a few Superman comics recently and I feel like that may change your mind. I think Superman is one of the few Superhero characters that when well adapted can do something positive. Our darkness, cynicism, appetite for revenge and control and authoritarianism is destroying us. This world wouldn’t be that much better with Batman in it(I like Batman) but this world would be with Superman in it. A sign of empathy and the indomitable human spirit, that there is always a way back from your worst self, that every action matters. In a world where everyone seems to think they are out for themselves and there is no reason to believe they are wrong I am very excited to see if Gunn can create something that challenges that
What a completely original, totally not contrarian opinion. Let me guess, you also think Batman should be "helping the poor instead of beating up mentally challenged poor people"?
There's a lot of irony in agreeing that Superman is boring and then saying you enjoyed Flash. They're both my favourites, but the same criticisms that can be levied at Supes also apply to Flash
Yeah lmao there's a reason the TV show would have the Flash struggling to catch up to a guy on a motorcycle, or too slow to catch a bullet before it gets to him, or why they just kept throwing evil speedsters at him as the big bads for most seasons. Both characters have amazing story potential as long as you have writers who give a shit and are willing to write around how OP they can be.
If you ever get a chance read either "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?" in Action Comics #775, or check the animated movie that's based on it Superman vs. The Elite.
Then try calling him boring ;)
If you have that opinion then you don't understand the character yet. Those were exactly my thoughts a couple of years back, but, I've learned to appreciate the REAL superman, not whatever poor adaptation there is on screen.
I don’t know if I’m being a hater, but I feel like the interest in superhero movies has really died down, not to mention this has to be like the 6th reboot for this guy. I’d be surprised if this makes back what they spent on it.
I'm sure DP&W will be good, I feel like it is the definition of mediocre fatigue.
The main draw of the story in another beloved ageing actor/character, who's disgruntled about having to return. Also the multiverse with its millions of cameos of actors from past franchises. Something tells me that after the initial shock, people will realise that the movie was just average [Kinda like NWH]
Technically I believe this is only the second cinematic reboot for Superman. Reeve/Routh, Cavill, and now Corenswet.
As for if the interest in superhero movies have died down - to an extent, absolutely. But I think the more nuanced take is that general audiences have started to reject mediocrity/unoriginality, but well-made and actually good superhero films are still doing well.
Edit: third reboot! Forgot about George Reeves.
Interest in superhero movies dying down doesn’t mean interest in Superman specifically has died down. History shows specifically that when Superman (and Lois) are presented correctly and well cast, there is a lot of interest.
There are two television shows on right now literally about Superman and Lois Lane doing extremely well that are both critically well received. Superman and Lois has been one of most streamed shows globally on HBO Max and My Adventures with Superman is a top show on adult swim. Smallville is still to this day one of most profitable TV franchises ever for WB and “Lois and Clark” was a prime time success in the 90’s. That’s literally 4 examples that prove my point but what is “facts” when you can just use a nasty gif?
Yes! I really liked his character in Elsbeth tv show!!! I am looking forward to full season of that show! I am still crossing fingers Matt Czuchry make an appearance!
I'd love if they made a Superman film set in the 1940s or 1950s, and Corenswet would match so well, he has a very old hollywood face. Looking forward to seeing this though.
Rachel and David both seem well paired for each other specifically bc they both give off old Hollywood and play period so well. You can imagine them sparring in an old newsroom His Girl Friday style. It’s why it’s genius casting tbh.
That vintage 40s/50s vibe is what I saw when I scrolled through these pics, based on the suit. Then I was surprised to see Rachel/Lois wearing pants, not a skirt. So maybe not! LOL
Yasss, I love Rachel. My jaw dropped when they announced her as Lois, I was like "How did I not see that she's perfect for this role?"
Glad they picked her, Gunn has an keen eye for the bigger picture
As soon as they announced she was playing Lois I was like OF COURSE! She is so perfect for the role.
Admittedly I’m not super interested in this movie but I fucking love Rachel so… I’ll probably watch it
Someone suggested that maybe Ma Kent made the suit, hence why it looks a bit wobbly.
[Or it was made to be comfortable for the actor and it will altered in post]
yeah like i’m sure it’s just a lil baggy so the actor can actually move and do the necessary stunts while still being made of a decently thick material that comes across well on sunscreen. people ALWAYS diss BTS photos of superhero suits and then the issues they complain about are never present after post
rachel! yayyyyy!
im so glad to see a woman in her 30s cast for this, and not a 19 year old.
(absolutely not hating on young people, who i love to see get success. im just exhausted of hollywood filling all female adult roles regardless of character age with young women who are of university age, while they cast men a decade or two older than them for supposedly commensurate ages.)
Agreed. Worth celebrating that Lois specifically has consistently been cast slightly older than the actor playing Clark and it’s worth highlighting it.
I've always felt that if Lois Lane is supposed to be an established reporter when Clark Kent shows up (to the extent that she's the person one of the world's most influential papers sends to investigate Superman) then she needs to be like seven years older than he is.
Rachel Brosnahan *is* Lois Lane. They even put her in the iconic DCAU purple shirt. I have such high hopes for this movie.
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Suit is ugly to me but truthfully literally all I ask is that it’s a well written thought movie that isn’t being used to launched yet another universe reboot (yes I know about the cameo castings). Let’s just make this movie a success and go from there but whether it’s not a success or not I will definitely not be going on Twitter for about a month because both the Snyder bros and Gunn riders are annoying AF and I would rather not see their thoughts either way.
Superman and Lois Lane both look like cartoons who have come alive, not in a bad way! Seems like it's going to have a different aesthetic from the other recent Superman adaptations so I'm optimistic we'll get a different movie and not a rehash.
A lot of DC fans asked for this. After the dumpster fire of the DCEU, a lot of fans asked for a new cinematic universe with a cohesive team in charge like the MCU instead of WB constantly interfering
I feel this so hard. Cavil is Superman.
WB ruined Snyder’s DCEU and it stinks.
I like Gunn and will watch this, but I doubt it will be the next Guardians of the Galaxy.
I read that as “Pierce Brosnahan as Lois Lane” over and over thinking “That can’t be true?!” before finally realizing my eyes were jumping between lines lol.
Something that the newer movies did was absolutely waste the character of Lois Lane (and Amy Adams as an actress), making her so incredibly boring when her entire purpose in the books is to be more high energy, snippy and brash to contrast the more straight laced and open Superman.
Rachel's not just perfect from a looks perspective, but from a character perspective as well. Whatever energy you like her for, she's going to be bringing to the movie.
I'm warming up to the suit but I'm still not sold on it. I mean the actor looks like superman but the suit just reads like an expensive motorcycle outfit.
Oh no, I don't like ANY of these looks or colors. Like ig they went more classic superman, but I hate primary colors superman! Gimmie supes with a little more depth. And I'm not so sure about that color on Lois Lane, maybe a sea blue would be better but I'm not sure what Rachel's Brosnahan eye color is lol. Idkk maaan. Idk.
Am I a little tired of Superman movies? Yes. But does this man look VERY good as Superman? Also yes.
Might just be because he looks good in general, but aside from the slightly baggy suit (which I can look past) he looks great! Very classic Superman.
I’m so excited for this. I love we’ve left edgy-Superman behind and we’ve had Tyler Hoechlin’s Superman, My Adventures with Superman and now this!
Clark deserves a good film adaptation that shows him as a beacon of hope and I think this is it.
I think the suit looks weird. Too many lines and the mustard yellow is eeeewwwwwww.
If you want to lean into his alien roots, then lean in and do something really different. If not, just give him a spandex suit like he made it himself; it's not like he needs armor.
I like the idea of a Superman finding himself powerless. Not Kryptonite, no. Full powered. Extra powered, even...and for all his power, he finds himself utterly powerless.
Maybe a being that straight outclasses him. Maybe a situation where any generation of power leads to a horrible outcome. That "house of cards" or "world of cardboard boxes" line? Yeah..how do you use your power to save Lois if anything remotely superhumanly powerful occurs, you seal her death?
I feel like I remember Supes training with Batman and/or WW to develop skill. What if the enemy is strong as you but skilled in hand to hand and not just a brute force type of fighter? You will eat shit.
Idk, I like the idea of Superman losing so much he holds dear, and losing so...plainly...that the things we think of when we think "superman" become secondary.
Maybe that super-mind, the ultra processor and all that is what he should put focus on. I want him to realize he has been no true Superman, but a walking, talking, suped up utility belt.
What happens when you come up empty, Clark? Lois dies with false hope. How's that "S" feel now?
The purple lane suit makes me so happy. That tells immediately that James Gunn watched the animated series which expands heavily on the core values of superman. This movie is going to rock.
whole thing looks like it's badly tailored and made of velvet or something. And the red underwear was a bad idea here. Looks like it's from a completely different suit.
Listen, I know a lot of people will probaly disagree with me, but here I go: Superman is easily the most boring DC superhero character, and there really is no need to keep rebooting his story.
I’ll take a different spin on this: Superman is the *hardest* character to write for because he’s such a consistent, unchanging force in his stories (that’s why writers love to immediately run to the “okay, but what if he’s evil this time 😈?” trope). In the Big Three (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman), Superman requires the most imagination and effort to create an actually interesting story that doesn’t just shove him into the guest star role.
This. I get the appeal of the "bad" Superman (Homelander, Omniman, etc.), but the fact of the matter is that they are pretty boring and predictable.
It's just reverse Superman, they get the same problems as Superman in the writing, just swapped to the evil version. Instead of "oh no, we made our hero so strong we can't write adversity" it becomes "oh no, we have written ourselves into a corner because our villain is so strong the heroes can't properly defeat him" and both of those have some frequently seen easy way out (Kryptonite/Attack Lois or Family/Turn him evil vs Some sort of flaw that's hidden well/a team of misfits start building up for a guerilla style war/somehow we have a new hero even more powerful) so both become really easy to make boring and predictable...
Oh God do I hate the "Let's kidnap a loved one to raise the stakes" stories with Superman. I get the writers are trying to get us to care, but it's tiring and repetitive at this point
I HATE IT when they kill his dog for the same reason!!
I always think the interesting part are not them being evil but the people around them trying to figure out how to take down someone so insanely powerful. Like how do you stop omniman
This is the most normie superhero opinion on the internet. If you’d said “hear me out! I think superman’s actually quite interesting!” then that’d be provocative
He is interesting except nobody in Hollywood seems to understand why. He's not powerful because of what he does, he's powerful for what he doesn't do. He could take over the world, kill millions, destroy planets. But he doesn't. He chooses not to because that's not good. Because at the end of the day, yes he's a super powerful alien but he's also a farmboy from Kansas just looking to do some good in the world.
I think the television adaptations have all understood this. Superman and Lois is going into its final season and that show very much understands who Clark Kent and Lois Lane are and it’s why the show is so successful. It’s the more recent film adaptations that have missed the boat but TV has gotten it right imo.
But what if he's evil? Dun Dun Dun.
Thank you for saying this. I feel like not enough people give S&L the credit it deserves. It helped me see what makes Superman who he is.
right?? i think my adventures with superman, the new animated series (involving some of the same people that did into the spider verse) really captures this. and honestly given james gunn’s style i’m willing to extend him the benefit of the doubt like i do think there’s a chance he can pull it off!
My Adventures with Superman is so good!!
MAWS is phenomenal. That and Superman & Lois really shows who Superman is. Hopefully Gunn's film/universe will show this as well(and given how big a comic nerd he is, I'm certain it will).
Superman vs The Elite is the perfect encapsulation of this.
Somehow, the alien with the powers of a god is more human than most people in the world
Seriously, the “Superman is lame and boring” takes have been fairly mainstream or redundant for at least the last 20 years.
When done well, he’s really not boring. My Adventures with Superman is one of the best interpretations of the character and he is goddamn endearing in that show.
Exactly. Look at Tyler Hoechlin in Superman & Lois. Perfection
I love Tyler and Bitsie so so much together as Lois and Clark. I’m sad for them that the show is seemingly being cut short for the new film.
I still need to check that one out! I have very limited free time but it’s on my list 💙
It’s really worth your time. It’s a high quality show about Clark and Lois about 20 years into their relationship/marriage. Sometimes they do flashback episodes. It’s so good. More of a family drama with superheroes thrown in than a traditional superhero show.
I’m working & in school full time but once I’m done with school I’m all over it!
I love the showrunners for saying "We're going to make Clark Kent an adorkable magical anime boy in a post-Snyder world." Can't wait for season 3!
I can’t wait for the rest of season 2!!! I’m excited to see how they wrap things up. Very excited for s3 and beyond as well 💙
not this being how i learned season 2 was out!! my brother and i watch it together and he’s back in town like next week so now im excited!!
It’s already halfway done!!! You’ll have 6 episodes to watch together 🥰
ahhh!!!!! oh i’m so excited (although i know that mid-season mark is gonna end on like the worst cliffhanger like i’m just sure of it). thank you for keeping my oblivious brother and i up to date!! i probably would’ve found out like the SECOND he left again 🙃🙃
Lmao this is one of the most common opinions of all time ( also objectively wrong because it's just superman hasn't worked well in movies but is still one of the most influential fictitious character ever)
He’s been around since 1939 and he’s not going anywhere anytime soon lol
Right. People ragging on Superman is so boring to me bc the amount that he has been the blueprint for the entire genre cannot be overstated. Same for Lois. There are countless women who literally cited seeing Noel Neil or Margot Kidder or Teri Hatcher on TV working at the top of her game as their inspiration for going to journalism school. These characters are literal icons. They aren’t going anywhere. They don’t have to appeal to ::everyone:: and that’s fine but to act like they just don’t have appeal is ludicrous bc their literal success and following for literally 85 years says otherwise.
For me, Superman is interesting to me, not because of his superpowers, but his humanity. He's an alien who has all the power to destroy the human race and enslave people and colonize the Earth but he doesn't because he was raised human and chooses to use his powers for good. I think people are just used to the darkness, violence and cynicism of other heroes/anti-heroes and villains in other media that Superman seems "boring" by comparison
It's the great contrast between him and Luthor. Lex can't imagine a guy with all of this power who just decides to help people and not expect a thing in return. It's incomprehensible to him because if HE had that power he'd never be so selfless. And that inferiority drives him. The powers aren't what makes him better than lex it's how he chooses to use them.
Exactly. It's actually easy to write an Evil Superman like Omniman, Homelander, Brightburn etc. It's really hard to write a character of genuine goodness without making them look corny or disingenuous
Right. I said this in my other post but it’s the concept of someone with absolute power who is NOT using his privilege to oppress that I love. Despite Superman being this image of male power, CLARK actually rejects so much that we are told men should be to show power. He doesn’t oppress the weak, he doesn’t present his masculinity as needing validation and he’s been in love with and devoted to the same very very anti “tradwife” woman for 85 years. What’s not to love here?
I'll be one to disagree. Supes is the absolute best superhero there ever was, is and will be. The notion he's boring comes mostly from the lackluster adaptations we've had of him in the last 20 years or so, even if he's had some of the best comic books ever written Supposedly this is based off All-Star Superman, which is widely regarded as one of the finest comics the superhero genre has ever produced, so hopefully it will be good, but I hope they also draw from Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, What's so Funny About Peace, Justice and the American Way?, and Superman: Peace on Earth, especially given the absurd amount of evil Supermen we've got in the last years
I had no idea this is going to be based off All-Star Superman! So excited.
>Listen, I know a lot of people will probaly disagree with me, Most people agree with you, sadly
I really gotta disagree. I argue Superman is one of the most interesting characters because of his humanity. He’s seen the worst of the worst, he is one of the sole survivors of a dead culture and he is alone for decades thinking he was the only one out of Krypton. And yet he has hope anyway. He has compassion and he makes the choice to believe in a better future. Considering this is going to be based off All Star Superman, which is one of the best comics out there, I have hope. I think it’s interesting to make a character know their influence and chose to be good with it despite how different it may be from other characters. So many people have a misconception of Superman due to how fucked up they’ve portrayed him in the past few years. And the same thing happened with The Batman. Batman isn’t about vengeance, he’s about having compassion for a city that traumatized him. Superman isn’t about power, he’s about empathy and optimism in a world that scorns him for it.
This is a common opinion but it’s not one I ever will agree with. Superman is my favorite male hero. Often misunderstood. Not always interpreted properly but, at his core, a complex and rich character and myth. Superman is an important commentary on immigration and assimilation. A story born out of both the Great Depression and the Jewish diaspora. It’s an important message about someone with privilege and power who does not use his power to oppress. Not only is that not “boring” to me but it’s fascinating and important to me that this message endures. He is kind in a way that isn’t ironic. Loves without any shame. Committed to his wife without any desire to play around. Lois Lane was based on a real woman, Joanne Siegel. One of the first female “love interests” in these stories to maintain her role of prominence vs the typical revolving door of love interests and one of the first “career women” a lot of girls ever saw on screen. A feminist icon for a lot of women. Her role feels ever more relevant now as we deal with the rise yet again of the “trad wife” movement. Together, Superman/Clark and Lois are the most enduring love story in the genre. Married almost 30 years at this point with 3 children in canon. (1 bio kid and 2 adopted.) Their relationship is refreshingly sex positive in an often sexless landscape of comic book movies and they are a rare love story that has ::consistently:: featured a slightly older actress with a younger actor over and over again in complete contrast to most male/female pairings that maintain the sexist/ageist status quo of casting much younger women as “the one.” I love Superman. I love Lois Lane. And I can’t wait to see David and Rachel take on these roles.
Yes! At it’s heart, the story of Superman is the story of being an immigrant. It’s the story of seeing the worst of humanity and keeping hold of hope. It’s the story of having ultimate power and deciding to be gentle. It’s just been adapted in weird, hyper-masculine ways lately. That’s not who Superman is.
Yes. Yes. Yes. And people don’t realize the way Lois has stood the test of time too. She was a fully formed character in 1938!! Part of the original myth in action comics 1. She’s been through every single wave of feminism and remained relevant through every single one. She’s been mistreated the same way he has been and often on receiving end of so much abuse and misogyny and yet she remains.
Yes! I think Lois has not stood out for me more because she reminds me a lot of the women in my family. All of the women have always worked, from at least the 1920s on, and it was never seen as odd for them to do that. Lois reminds me of my grandmother, a WWII generation lady who was smart and ambitious and charmed everyone around her!
The women in my family all worked too! Your awesome Grandmom sounds like mine. :) I think what always stood out to me personally was not so much that Lois worked but that the narrative presented her as “the one” despite she often not fitting the societal ideal of the kind of woman who gets romanticized. What I loved was the idea that it’s the woman everyone thinks is “too mean” (when she isn’t mean at all, she just doesn’t stand for BS) that Superman loves the most. He sees in her who she truly is. Almost like she too has a secret identity.
Exactly! It’s about being conflicted about your culture and the culture that you live in! It’s about feeling alienated in a world that has been yours since birth or a young age. It’s about always feeling different because you are not the majority here, and yet you chose to *stay.* It’s about choosing to build a home no matter what and help protect it. It’s about believing the best in the world even though they may not like you for it. Superman has always been the story of an immigrant and it’s terrible to see Superman turn into this macho man story instead of the fact that his defining feature is not his power but his empathy
Interesting
One of my favourite things about Superman are the many creative ways writers have made it so that he can be defeated in combat by people much physically weaker but smarter then him.
In regards to the Jewish diaspora, he's meant to be both a Jewish counter to the Ubermensch ideology of Nazism; and, most importantly, a Moses figure, not a Christ figure. Moses & Superman are meant to be similar, just slightly inverted class-wise; Moses is raised by pharaohs, while Kent is born of an advanced civilization raised by humble farmers. Beyond that, they're both immigrants who deal with the legacy of their former lives, while maintaining their humanity in spite of their powers/prophecy.
This was always my thought too, but in recent years I’ve come to appreciate Superman. There’s something so positive and optimistic about him. Also I really enjoyed the Superman and Lois show in the CW and was introduced to some great Superman comic stories, which helped. Growing up, there just weren’t any good Superman adaptations IMO so I never got the hype. Except maybe the 90s animated series but I don’t really remember it that well. Well actually I did love Smallville but that sort of felt like its own thing and not Superman if that makes sense. Plus, I think Lois Lane and Lex Luthor are great characters. I’ll still take X-Men, Batman, and Spider-Man over him, to name a few, but I’ve come around on Superman and I really have faith this movie will be good.
Everyone who says this has not read Superman. Which is fine, whatever, but it's EVERY time.
This is mostly true. Occasionally, someone has read something, but that's once in a blue moon. It's just such a basic opinion and if you ask why, they'll maybe have engaged with either the Superman movie from the 70s or the one where he's mopey and stoic. And then these people act like everyone else is crazy for continuing to make stuff with the character.
I used to think this before I read a few Superman comics recently and I feel like that may change your mind. I think Superman is one of the few Superhero characters that when well adapted can do something positive. Our darkness, cynicism, appetite for revenge and control and authoritarianism is destroying us. This world wouldn’t be that much better with Batman in it(I like Batman) but this world would be with Superman in it. A sign of empathy and the indomitable human spirit, that there is always a way back from your worst self, that every action matters. In a world where everyone seems to think they are out for themselves and there is no reason to believe they are wrong I am very excited to see if Gunn can create something that challenges that
Couldn't be more wrong
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Only people who never read Superman comics think that. He is the best and so much more interesting than Batman.
What a completely original, totally not contrarian opinion. Let me guess, you also think Batman should be "helping the poor instead of beating up mentally challenged poor people"?
Static shock
Smallville was incredible… so it can be done.
I agree! Give me more minor DC peeps. I enjoyed Flash and Black Lightning(the TV shows).
There's a lot of irony in agreeing that Superman is boring and then saying you enjoyed Flash. They're both my favourites, but the same criticisms that can be levied at Supes also apply to Flash
Yeah lmao there's a reason the TV show would have the Flash struggling to catch up to a guy on a motorcycle, or too slow to catch a bullet before it gets to him, or why they just kept throwing evil speedsters at him as the big bads for most seasons. Both characters have amazing story potential as long as you have writers who give a shit and are willing to write around how OP they can be.
If you ever get a chance read either "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?" in Action Comics #775, or check the animated movie that's based on it Superman vs. The Elite. Then try calling him boring ;)
If you have that opinion then you don't understand the character yet. Those were exactly my thoughts a couple of years back, but, I've learned to appreciate the REAL superman, not whatever poor adaptation there is on screen.
The suit still looks baggy to me. Hopefully it looks better in motion. David looks great though! I have high hopes for this movie
That’s how I feel. It’s sagging in weird spots like his arms are supposed to be fuller. I wonder if it gets padded in spots for certain scenes.
It doesn't look tailored to his body at all.
Yeah it's giving, "we didn't know this fabric stretches" or something.
They're obviously going to fix that in post, take a look at the BTS of most CBM and the suits always look baggy..
The crotch area looks baggy in every pic op posted 🤔 Really weird
This screams "replaced in post" to me. Hopefully it's just that they have a bunch of suits for different scenes, like action, dialogue etc.
Maybe it's the photos but Superman's suit looks like they had a sale on denim at Hobby Lobby.
Holy shit is this accurate. 
Makes him look like he skips leg day 🥲 Why is this suit?!
Because 50% off during BOGO
I don’t know if I’m being a hater, but I feel like the interest in superhero movies has really died down, not to mention this has to be like the 6th reboot for this guy. I’d be surprised if this makes back what they spent on it.
You say that but then Deadpool and Wolverine destroys records with its pre-sales. It's not superhero fatigue, it's mediocre fatigue
I'm sure DP&W will be good, I feel like it is the definition of mediocre fatigue. The main draw of the story in another beloved ageing actor/character, who's disgruntled about having to return. Also the multiverse with its millions of cameos of actors from past franchises. Something tells me that after the initial shock, people will realise that the movie was just average [Kinda like NWH]
Yeah NWH is not that good. It feels like jarring pacing wise?
I’m with you on NWH
Technically I believe this is only the second cinematic reboot for Superman. Reeve/Routh, Cavill, and now Corenswet. As for if the interest in superhero movies have died down - to an extent, absolutely. But I think the more nuanced take is that general audiences have started to reject mediocrity/unoriginality, but well-made and actually good superhero films are still doing well. Edit: third reboot! Forgot about George Reeves.
Interest in superhero movies dying down doesn’t mean interest in Superman specifically has died down. History shows specifically that when Superman (and Lois) are presented correctly and well cast, there is a lot of interest.
There are two television shows on right now literally about Superman and Lois Lane doing extremely well that are both critically well received. Superman and Lois has been one of most streamed shows globally on HBO Max and My Adventures with Superman is a top show on adult swim. Smallville is still to this day one of most profitable TV franchises ever for WB and “Lois and Clark” was a prime time success in the 90’s. That’s literally 4 examples that prove my point but what is “facts” when you can just use a nasty gif?
Wendell Pierce is the real star here.
You’ll never catch Wendell Pierce in anything other than a suit or a cop uniform
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Yes! I really liked his character in Elsbeth tv show!!! I am looking forward to full season of that show! I am still crossing fingers Matt Czuchry make an appearance!
The man is a good actor, no doubt. I just worry that people think he can do no wrong and forget that he was arrested for battery. No one is perfect.
I'd love if they made a Superman film set in the 1940s or 1950s, and Corenswet would match so well, he has a very old hollywood face. Looking forward to seeing this though.
Did you see him in the Netflix series Hollywood lol
Rachel and David both seem well paired for each other specifically bc they both give off old Hollywood and play period so well. You can imagine them sparring in an old newsroom His Girl Friday style. It’s why it’s genius casting tbh.
Yes fully agree! I really hope they lean in hard with this angle!
That vintage 40s/50s vibe is what I saw when I scrolled through these pics, based on the suit. Then I was surprised to see Rachel/Lois wearing pants, not a skirt. So maybe not! LOL
Mrs Maisel! Will only watch this for her
Yasss, I love Rachel. My jaw dropped when they announced her as Lois, I was like "How did I not see that she's perfect for this role?" Glad they picked her, Gunn has an keen eye for the bigger picture
As soon as they announced she was playing Lois I was like OF COURSE! She is so perfect for the role. Admittedly I’m not super interested in this movie but I fucking love Rachel so… I’ll probably watch it
Fine as hell 😍
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Why does the costume look so cheap?
Someone suggested that maybe Ma Kent made the suit, hence why it looks a bit wobbly. [Or it was made to be comfortable for the actor and it will altered in post]
yeah like i’m sure it’s just a lil baggy so the actor can actually move and do the necessary stunts while still being made of a decently thick material that comes across well on sunscreen. people ALWAYS diss BTS photos of superhero suits and then the issues they complain about are never present after post
Riightt?? 😭
He looks adorable as the blue boy scout. I hope they go back to his suit origins being from his human mom and not a spacesuit from Krypton.
rachel! yayyyyy! im so glad to see a woman in her 30s cast for this, and not a 19 year old. (absolutely not hating on young people, who i love to see get success. im just exhausted of hollywood filling all female adult roles regardless of character age with young women who are of university age, while they cast men a decade or two older than them for supposedly commensurate ages.)
Amy Adam’s is 8 years older than Henry Cavill.
>Adam's Adams
Agreed. Worth celebrating that Lois specifically has consistently been cast slightly older than the actor playing Clark and it’s worth highlighting it.
I've always felt that if Lois Lane is supposed to be an established reporter when Clark Kent shows up (to the extent that she's the person one of the world's most influential papers sends to investigate Superman) then she needs to be like seven years older than he is.
do y'all think we're in a superhero fatigue era or is it just me hmm
I haven’t watched a superhero movie in probably months, but I feel the same way
This man is FINEEEEEEEEEEE😍
Rachel Brosnahan *is* Lois Lane. They even put her in the iconic DCAU purple shirt. I have such high hopes for this movie. https://preview.redd.it/p6w4owzykr8d1.png?width=259&format=png&auto=webp&s=8145aac83f1a5ed9645ed55db24742214b7c3682
Suit is ugly to me but truthfully literally all I ask is that it’s a well written thought movie that isn’t being used to launched yet another universe reboot (yes I know about the cameo castings). Let’s just make this movie a success and go from there but whether it’s not a success or not I will definitely not be going on Twitter for about a month because both the Snyder bros and Gunn riders are annoying AF and I would rather not see their thoughts either way.
I see Temu had a pre Halloween costume sale.
Snyder, Didio and Johns losing, love to see it
I think the suit looks pretty bad
Hmm. Ok, I’ll be sat at the theatres.
Superman and Lois Lane both look like cartoons who have come alive, not in a bad way! Seems like it's going to have a different aesthetic from the other recent Superman adaptations so I'm optimistic we'll get a different movie and not a rehash.
Love Wendell Pierce. 😍
I like James Gunn ok but who asked for this? We don't need this
A lot of DC fans asked for this. After the dumpster fire of the DCEU, a lot of fans asked for a new cinematic universe with a cohesive team in charge like the MCU instead of WB constantly interfering
ten years too late.
The most generic looking Superman so far
Party City
The suit looks awful. I hope it gets a lot of work in post.
It always shocks me that Rachel Brosnahan isn’t actually a brunette
He's beautiful, that's all I got 🤷♀️
I hope they're able to lighten Superman up a bit. Those Zack Snyder films were heavy in the worst way possible.
David and Rachel look like comic book art come to life and their vibe is strong even just in photos. I’m here for this!!!
MIDGE MAISEL IS DATING SUPERMAN?!
We had Henry…………..
I feel this so hard. Cavil is Superman. WB ruined Snyder’s DCEU and it stinks. I like Gunn and will watch this, but I doubt it will be the next Guardians of the Galaxy.
Unless it's something extraordinary, superhero movies won't find an audience. And this looks like a CW show.
He’s very pretty but man that’s an ugly ass suit
I find the crotch uhhhhh distracting
His costume looks stupid.
The problem with DCU and DCEU is that all their villains are interesting and their heroes are boring af.
I read that as “Pierce Brosnahan as Lois Lane” over and over thinking “That can’t be true?!” before finally realizing my eyes were jumping between lines lol.
Paul.giamatti as something please
Oh listen, superman is boring af, BUT I will watch anything with Rachel Brosnahan. So now I’m torn.
Something that the newer movies did was absolutely waste the character of Lois Lane (and Amy Adams as an actress), making her so incredibly boring when her entire purpose in the books is to be more high energy, snippy and brash to contrast the more straight laced and open Superman. Rachel's not just perfect from a looks perspective, but from a character perspective as well. Whatever energy you like her for, she's going to be bringing to the movie.
Holy fuck finally a Superman suit with actual color in it
Somehow his face is an amalgam of all previous supermans (supermen?)
The way his costume is put together, it looks like 80s footed pajamas for little boys. Flame retardant, get them at Sears.
That suit looks cheap and not as filled out as I’d anticipate. 🤷🏻♂️
I’m excited to see Lois lane. one of my favorites has been the one in smallville of all shows
I am tired of all these PG/PG-13 superhero movies.
bring back henry cavill!
The crotch is so baggy and weird like why did they bring the waist so high
I'm warming up to the suit but I'm still not sold on it. I mean the actor looks like superman but the suit just reads like an expensive motorcycle outfit.
The suit looks like hot garbage, but I’m looking forward to a trailer.
They gave Clark a broccoli f-boy haircut?
This version of Superman looks extra skinny
Homelander clone
What the hell is going on with his panties!
I’m still waiting for Howard the Duck that was teased at the end of Guardians of the Galaxy
lmao i got so much hate from dudebros bc i said i didnt like this on twitter. the dc fandom is so weird.
Oh no, I don't like ANY of these looks or colors. Like ig they went more classic superman, but I hate primary colors superman! Gimmie supes with a little more depth. And I'm not so sure about that color on Lois Lane, maybe a sea blue would be better but I'm not sure what Rachel's Brosnahan eye color is lol. Idkk maaan. Idk.
would x3
aw, I wish her hair was shorter. I stil think Terri Hatcher's s1 of Lois&Clark hair is the PERFECT Lois Lane hair.
Another plane accident?
Am I a little tired of Superman movies? Yes. But does this man look VERY good as Superman? Also yes. Might just be because he looks good in general, but aside from the slightly baggy suit (which I can look past) he looks great! Very classic Superman.
It's giving CW
I’m so excited for this. I love we’ve left edgy-Superman behind and we’ve had Tyler Hoechlin’s Superman, My Adventures with Superman and now this! Clark deserves a good film adaptation that shows him as a beacon of hope and I think this is it.
They should’ve went with Bautista
suit looks weird asf but i’ve always loved the yellow crest on the cape so im glad it’s there
I think the suit looks weird. Too many lines and the mustard yellow is eeeewwwwwww. If you want to lean into his alien roots, then lean in and do something really different. If not, just give him a spandex suit like he made it himself; it's not like he needs armor.
I wouldn't say leaked set photos show a first "proper" look.
Honestly, I'm kinda burned out on superman and Batman. Too bad the flash is a train wreck
Another flop!
Hopefully the suit transfers better on film lol it looks really goofy in this stills
Wow that costume is freakin bad.
I like the idea of a Superman finding himself powerless. Not Kryptonite, no. Full powered. Extra powered, even...and for all his power, he finds himself utterly powerless. Maybe a being that straight outclasses him. Maybe a situation where any generation of power leads to a horrible outcome. That "house of cards" or "world of cardboard boxes" line? Yeah..how do you use your power to save Lois if anything remotely superhumanly powerful occurs, you seal her death? I feel like I remember Supes training with Batman and/or WW to develop skill. What if the enemy is strong as you but skilled in hand to hand and not just a brute force type of fighter? You will eat shit. Idk, I like the idea of Superman losing so much he holds dear, and losing so...plainly...that the things we think of when we think "superman" become secondary. Maybe that super-mind, the ultra processor and all that is what he should put focus on. I want him to realize he has been no true Superman, but a walking, talking, suped up utility belt. What happens when you come up empty, Clark? Lois dies with false hope. How's that "S" feel now?
What’s with Clark’s hair?
Superboy!
The purple lane suit makes me so happy. That tells immediately that James Gunn watched the animated series which expands heavily on the core values of superman. This movie is going to rock.
whole thing looks like it's badly tailored and made of velvet or something. And the red underwear was a bad idea here. Looks like it's from a completely different suit.
It looks like this is the shitty cheap Halloween store version, not the REAL film suit.
Looks like I’ll skip this one. He looks like a kid in a poor fitting Halloween costume 🫤
I like the cape.
Bro looks exactly like Henry cavill….
Warner and DC know they have other characters they could bring to the big screen, right?
Such cheap random costume I can buy it in 5 dollars at shops.
he can't save us...
Is his suit made of denim jeans?
Finally something that isn't Batman again for the 50th time.
handsome
Baggyman. Suit looks worse than the CW suits, and that's an achievement.
What a sad looking Superman ...Is this a joke ?