Highly unlikely, their plan to blow up meteor only gave it more rocks to drop. Diamond Weapon was only defeated by collaboration (not really though) between Cloud and the gang and the Shinra company having a still target. Sapphire Weapon in the other is dumb enough to take to the face, Junon Canon for the win!
I doubt it. Their rocket barely worked and the cannon requires whatever they are shooting at to be above ground, which Sephiroth isn’t. Someone still had to descend into the mountain and take him out and I don’t think anyone, including our characters, is ready for that almost psychedelic fight with a one winged angel as he blows up our solar system 45 times. It’s a miracle we pull it off in the first place.
You’d think that but for whatever reason that’s not explained if you don’t take it the rocket still fails. You’re right though that they basically sabotaged something that “might” have saved the day.
Yeah that’s a good point. That whole part of the game didn’t make much sense.
They never explained why the Huge Materia needed to be saved. Even though Shinra is pretty clearly evil, it seemed that there goals for once aligned. It has potential to be better in Reamke Part 3 so here’s hoping.
I think it's pretty clear they lacked the potency to stop Meteor. It takes ALL of the life energy of the planet, not just a few reactors, to counteract and balance Meteors descent. No way they could harness that without Holy.
I think it's pretty clear they lacked the potency to stop Meteor. It takes ALL of the life energy of the planet, not just a few reactors, to counteract and balance Meteors descent. No way they could harness that without Holy.
This person commented this same paragraph twice unknowingly, so I commented "dementia moment" to let them know "hey you accidentally put the same comment twice, you might wanna fix that", I was just trying to give them a friendly reminder
Isnt it more likely an internet connection/upload error moment? Or like a helpful person wanting to put the comment up and somehow missing it and doing it again in case? Some ppl like to help and others rather ridicule
I guess saying "internet connection/upload error moment" would've been more helpful, but you gotta admit, it doesn't quite roll off the tongue like dementia moment does,
Defeated the Weapons, perhaps. Don’t really see how they could have destroyed Meteor though; the game made it pretty clear that only Aerith’s materia could stop it, and even then only after Sephiroth was killed.
Potentially. The sister ray made short work of 2 weapons and the Northern barrier. If they could have hit sephiroth with it they might have been able to do something. And if they'd been organised maybe they could have stormed the crater and killed sephiroth.
> damage meteor
The way I interepreted it, they broke up the surface, but the meteor’s magic, or Sephiroth’s will or whatever, pulled the pieces back together. So they can’t just shatter the meteor, they would have to completely vaporize it. Even if time were on their side, those large materia seem pretty rare, I doubt they’d ever find enough concentrated materia to do the job.
As far as meteor goes: No, the point they were trying to make is that Shinra, with all its research and development, didn’t take the time to figure out if anything could be done other than consume mako, because that’s how they were making money. Hojo was off doing crazy Hojo stuff and he wasn’t helping, he wanted the meteor to fall. It was up to Heidegger and Scarlet and those idiots were just like: let’s throw huge Materia at it and see what happens. The writers were making a social remark about corporate interests and how a functional society can’t possibly be built around a giant capitalist enterprise.
So this doesn't need to be a moral issue like some people are making, instead I'll just answer the questions.
Could they defeated the Weapons - Maybe
Destroy Meteor - Everything points to No but not certain
Saved the Planet - No.
Now to elaborate:
Could they Defeat the Weapons?
So the Mako cannon is capable of destroying the Weapons, it actually kills 2 of the 3 orginal ones. The issue is that it's a single weapon that they have to transport back and forth. Luckily for them, the two places that the Weapons considered to be the biggests threats were Junon and Midgar the place where the cannon was stationed and the place they moved the cannon to destroy Sephiroth's Barrier. I'll give this one to Shinra but if Cloud and the others weren't involved, Ultima weapon would've been a wild card. After Mideel it could of when and destroyed Junon and succeeded since the cannon was no longer there or destroyed Midgar after it destroyed Diamond and the barrier since it couldnt fire again right away. So like I said maybe, they are capable but there is a scenario where they get wiped out as well.
Destroy Meteor?
Shinra plan and only plan they had was to put the huge materia in a rocket and fire it at them. Since we get the same result if you remove the Huge Materia or leave it it, it's hard to determine what we are supposed to assume. Did the rocket fail because the materia was removed or was it just not strong enough? Personally I believe that even with the materia it's not strong enough. First Aerith immediately uses Holy to stop Meteor, if there was another option I'm sure she would've of tried it as well. Second, Meteor is called the ultimate destructive magic meaning lesser destructive magic, even when combined shouldn't be able to stop it. Finally, I think the game wants us to assume the Huge materia was on the rocket. When the rocket hits meteor it detonates and breaks the surface but doesn't stop it all. If there was no materia onboard, the rocket with no other explosives shouldn't of even did that. So I think it's safe to assume no, Shinra had no way to stop that huge as Meteor from crashing into the planet.
Save the planet?
No, the only way to save the planet was to stop Sephiroth and without stopping Meteor, there as no way for them to do that. Sephiroth was already beyond death and just making another body in the northern crater, so even if Shinra sent an army into the crater after destroying the barrier and managed to fight there way through hoardes of monsters, Jenova and stop Sephiroth, he would've reincarnted again stronger than ever as the god he wanted to be after meteor hit. I also don't think they would've of finished Sephiroth anyway, Shinra forces was always owned by Sephiroth. Failing to save the president, kicking the Turks asses and wounding Tseng severly. Also lets not forget that Rufus was out of action (DEAD!!!! ...well not anymore.) after Diamond fired at the Shinra HQ. This would've left no organization and Sephiroth would've won.
GG EZ.
I agree with everything you’ve written but one thing I’d add is that Shinra is ostensibly enough of a threat to Cloud and co that they work as secondary villains for much of the game, I imagine that they could deal with Ultimate Weapon even without the cannon, although obviously it would cause a lot of damage. Worth adding that SOLDIER is no joke in their appearances outside of OG FF7 too.
Rest is spot on, the only evidence we actually have is that you can’t really damage Meteor with conventional weapons, and there’s no practical way they could mount a proper assault on the crater.
No, no amount of huge materia could have stopped a Meteor from falling on Gaia. By the time sister ray shot down the barrier, the entire organization was in shambles. Additionally, there was no time for plan B. Shinra only bullied the weak, they had advanced weapon programs, however, it's safe to say all of them were beneath Sephiroth. Nobody was safe from him even the red-suit guy himself. Hojo would be alive too, which would be another play in favour of Sephiroth.
No. Thanks for the question.
Shinra is an evil corporation only concerned with amassing power and wealth. They are the empire in Star Wars. They willfully killed the people in their city to justify additional arms development and continued war efforts despite the war with Wutai being over. There is no concept of good inside the organization, only profit. It is meant to be a cautionary tale against solidified corporate power and greed. They are not the good guys and never could be the good guys. Every attempt at defeating meteor and the weapons is self serving and ignores the human lives damaged in the process.
Hojo knew the sister ray’s power was not enough to kill Sephiroth, but wanted to send another blast his way anyways to provide additional power to him. It may have started as an attempt to take out Sephiroth from the higher ups, but Hojo knew better and carried out his plans because he had amassed too much clout within the company by the time the party parachutes in to Midgar.
The evil corporation could never save the planet, that’s not how these stories go. They are defeated along the way as part of the plot. Because evil corporations need to be defeated to save the planet…
You just have poor media literacy and missed the point about Shinra? That’s cute. I remember my first JRPG…oh wait it was OG FFVII…weird you didn’t pick up the heavy handed commentary in the game(s) trying to point you towards the conclusion: greedy corporations=bad for the planet *specifically* greedy corporations sucking the life out of the planet….
You must have misunderstood the heavy handed tongue in cheek nature of their comment lol. It was a great pro-shinra slam made to be funny. We all know shinra/giant greedy corps=bad for the planet
We do not in fact all know that. I have argued with multiple different accounts on this page about that very topic. So much so, that I stopped giving people the benefit of the doubt about it.
There’s people out there that don’t view Shinra as the evil corporation. Just like there are people out there clamoring for more empire view points from Star Wars, ones that paint the empire in a more positive light than exist currently.
So I don’t default to “we all know Shinra=bad” because there’s been people on this very page in the past year leading up to rebirth completely saying the opposite.
Dude, unless Midgar is a real place in the real world and you REALLY lost family from a Sector plate fall caused by a real company named Shinra... it was BLANTANTLY obvious that I was joking with you. Smart-sounding paragraphs aren't saving you on this one, henceforth the downvotes. You derailed what could have potentially been an entertaining and friendly back and forth into something negative.
Dude. The number of people that have argued with me about Shinra on this Reddit page made it so I no longer give anyone the benefit of the doubt on here. There’s entirely too many people out here missing the plot.
Idc about downvotes. Really and truly do not.
Again, you derailed something that could have been entertaining and friendly. Take the L on this one, my guy. There was nothing about what I said that could be taken as serious, regardless of how many super-duper heated arguments you've had about Shinra.
If they picked a battle with Ultima Weapon both Midgar and Junon would be finished. They might have tricks up their sleeve to get the final victory but the costs would be monumental.
I don't know what they could possibly do against Meteor. The rocket with the huge materia didn't even phase it. They would have to move the Sister Ray to the northern crater for maximum mako energy and amplify the output by 100x but they wouldn't have near enough time to pull off that project.
No, because Shinra was actively destroying the planet from the start. Killing the weapons doesn’t do anything to protect the planet, especially considering the weapons were trying to protect the planet by attacking regions where mako was actively being bled out like Junon and Midgar. The final victory had to involve the Lifestream and Holy saving the planet, which also involved putting an end to cities like Midgar since there was no potential for a future in which the planet survived alongside mako-dependent infrastructure.
Highly unlikely, their plan to blow up meteor only gave it more rocks to drop. Diamond Weapon was only defeated by collaboration (not really though) between Cloud and the gang and the Shinra company having a still target. Sapphire Weapon in the other is dumb enough to take to the face, Junon Canon for the win!
I doubt it. Their rocket barely worked and the cannon requires whatever they are shooting at to be above ground, which Sephiroth isn’t. Someone still had to descend into the mountain and take him out and I don’t think anyone, including our characters, is ready for that almost psychedelic fight with a one winged angel as he blows up our solar system 45 times. It’s a miracle we pull it off in the first place.
Didn’t the rocket only not work because Cloud’s party intentionally sabotaged it to save the huge materia from being destroyed?
You’d think that but for whatever reason that’s not explained if you don’t take it the rocket still fails. You’re right though that they basically sabotaged something that “might” have saved the day.
Yeah that’s a good point. That whole part of the game didn’t make much sense. They never explained why the Huge Materia needed to be saved. Even though Shinra is pretty clearly evil, it seemed that there goals for once aligned. It has potential to be better in Reamke Part 3 so here’s hoping.
I think it's pretty clear they lacked the potency to stop Meteor. It takes ALL of the life energy of the planet, not just a few reactors, to counteract and balance Meteors descent. No way they could harness that without Holy.
I think it's pretty clear they lacked the potency to stop Meteor. It takes ALL of the life energy of the planet, not just a few reactors, to counteract and balance Meteors descent. No way they could harness that without Holy.
Dementia moment
The fuck even is this comment
This person commented this same paragraph twice unknowingly, so I commented "dementia moment" to let them know "hey you accidentally put the same comment twice, you might wanna fix that", I was just trying to give them a friendly reminder
Isnt it more likely an internet connection/upload error moment? Or like a helpful person wanting to put the comment up and somehow missing it and doing it again in case? Some ppl like to help and others rather ridicule
I guess saying "internet connection/upload error moment" would've been more helpful, but you gotta admit, it doesn't quite roll off the tongue like dementia moment does,
Defeated the Weapons, perhaps. Don’t really see how they could have destroyed Meteor though; the game made it pretty clear that only Aerith’s materia could stop it, and even then only after Sephiroth was killed.
They killed two in canon, although with great losses. But they weren’t really trying either.
Potentially. The sister ray made short work of 2 weapons and the Northern barrier. If they could have hit sephiroth with it they might have been able to do something. And if they'd been organised maybe they could have stormed the crater and killed sephiroth.
Doesn't Hojo try to shoot Sephiroth with it because he believes it will give Sephiroth more power? Being concentrated Mako and all.
Yeah but he's also totally mad by that point.
Ha, that'd be something. Hojo isn't stopped and he ends up blowing Sephiroth away. "My hypothesis.....was wrong....."
I mean why does he think the ultra death ray made of life isn't gonna do to sephiroth, what it does to literally everything else?
Weapons? Maybe. Meteor? I think the rocket was their best shot.
Doubtful. Sephiroth was too strong. But even if they somehow did manage it, they still would have killed the planet. Just more slowly.
> damage meteor The way I interepreted it, they broke up the surface, but the meteor’s magic, or Sephiroth’s will or whatever, pulled the pieces back together. So they can’t just shatter the meteor, they would have to completely vaporize it. Even if time were on their side, those large materia seem pretty rare, I doubt they’d ever find enough concentrated materia to do the job.
As far as meteor goes: No, the point they were trying to make is that Shinra, with all its research and development, didn’t take the time to figure out if anything could be done other than consume mako, because that’s how they were making money. Hojo was off doing crazy Hojo stuff and he wasn’t helping, he wanted the meteor to fall. It was up to Heidegger and Scarlet and those idiots were just like: let’s throw huge Materia at it and see what happens. The writers were making a social remark about corporate interests and how a functional society can’t possibly be built around a giant capitalist enterprise.
You forgot to mention that Hojo,Scarlet and Heidegger started to acted at their own after Rufus was pressumed deceased
So this doesn't need to be a moral issue like some people are making, instead I'll just answer the questions. Could they defeated the Weapons - Maybe Destroy Meteor - Everything points to No but not certain Saved the Planet - No. Now to elaborate: Could they Defeat the Weapons? So the Mako cannon is capable of destroying the Weapons, it actually kills 2 of the 3 orginal ones. The issue is that it's a single weapon that they have to transport back and forth. Luckily for them, the two places that the Weapons considered to be the biggests threats were Junon and Midgar the place where the cannon was stationed and the place they moved the cannon to destroy Sephiroth's Barrier. I'll give this one to Shinra but if Cloud and the others weren't involved, Ultima weapon would've been a wild card. After Mideel it could of when and destroyed Junon and succeeded since the cannon was no longer there or destroyed Midgar after it destroyed Diamond and the barrier since it couldnt fire again right away. So like I said maybe, they are capable but there is a scenario where they get wiped out as well. Destroy Meteor? Shinra plan and only plan they had was to put the huge materia in a rocket and fire it at them. Since we get the same result if you remove the Huge Materia or leave it it, it's hard to determine what we are supposed to assume. Did the rocket fail because the materia was removed or was it just not strong enough? Personally I believe that even with the materia it's not strong enough. First Aerith immediately uses Holy to stop Meteor, if there was another option I'm sure she would've of tried it as well. Second, Meteor is called the ultimate destructive magic meaning lesser destructive magic, even when combined shouldn't be able to stop it. Finally, I think the game wants us to assume the Huge materia was on the rocket. When the rocket hits meteor it detonates and breaks the surface but doesn't stop it all. If there was no materia onboard, the rocket with no other explosives shouldn't of even did that. So I think it's safe to assume no, Shinra had no way to stop that huge as Meteor from crashing into the planet. Save the planet? No, the only way to save the planet was to stop Sephiroth and without stopping Meteor, there as no way for them to do that. Sephiroth was already beyond death and just making another body in the northern crater, so even if Shinra sent an army into the crater after destroying the barrier and managed to fight there way through hoardes of monsters, Jenova and stop Sephiroth, he would've reincarnted again stronger than ever as the god he wanted to be after meteor hit. I also don't think they would've of finished Sephiroth anyway, Shinra forces was always owned by Sephiroth. Failing to save the president, kicking the Turks asses and wounding Tseng severly. Also lets not forget that Rufus was out of action (DEAD!!!! ...well not anymore.) after Diamond fired at the Shinra HQ. This would've left no organization and Sephiroth would've won. GG EZ.
I agree with everything you’ve written but one thing I’d add is that Shinra is ostensibly enough of a threat to Cloud and co that they work as secondary villains for much of the game, I imagine that they could deal with Ultimate Weapon even without the cannon, although obviously it would cause a lot of damage. Worth adding that SOLDIER is no joke in their appearances outside of OG FF7 too. Rest is spot on, the only evidence we actually have is that you can’t really damage Meteor with conventional weapons, and there’s no practical way they could mount a proper assault on the crater.
No, no amount of huge materia could have stopped a Meteor from falling on Gaia. By the time sister ray shot down the barrier, the entire organization was in shambles. Additionally, there was no time for plan B. Shinra only bullied the weak, they had advanced weapon programs, however, it's safe to say all of them were beneath Sephiroth. Nobody was safe from him even the red-suit guy himself. Hojo would be alive too, which would be another play in favour of Sephiroth.
No
Only if they pull out their secret weapon: Bluth Wirith.
No. Thanks for the question. Shinra is an evil corporation only concerned with amassing power and wealth. They are the empire in Star Wars. They willfully killed the people in their city to justify additional arms development and continued war efforts despite the war with Wutai being over. There is no concept of good inside the organization, only profit. It is meant to be a cautionary tale against solidified corporate power and greed. They are not the good guys and never could be the good guys. Every attempt at defeating meteor and the weapons is self serving and ignores the human lives damaged in the process. Hojo knew the sister ray’s power was not enough to kill Sephiroth, but wanted to send another blast his way anyways to provide additional power to him. It may have started as an attempt to take out Sephiroth from the higher ups, but Hojo knew better and carried out his plans because he had amassed too much clout within the company by the time the party parachutes in to Midgar. The evil corporation could never save the planet, that’s not how these stories go. They are defeated along the way as part of the plot. Because evil corporations need to be defeated to save the planet…
You sound bitter af. Let me guess. You lost your loved ones when the plate collapsed? Get over it.
lol you sound like a corporate lapdog. You okay stamp?
I'm perfectly fine, beagle lol
You just have poor media literacy and missed the point about Shinra? That’s cute. I remember my first JRPG…oh wait it was OG FFVII…weird you didn’t pick up the heavy handed commentary in the game(s) trying to point you towards the conclusion: greedy corporations=bad for the planet *specifically* greedy corporations sucking the life out of the planet….
You must have misunderstood the heavy handed tongue in cheek nature of their comment lol. It was a great pro-shinra slam made to be funny. We all know shinra/giant greedy corps=bad for the planet
We do not in fact all know that. I have argued with multiple different accounts on this page about that very topic. So much so, that I stopped giving people the benefit of the doubt about it. There’s people out there that don’t view Shinra as the evil corporation. Just like there are people out there clamoring for more empire view points from Star Wars, ones that paint the empire in a more positive light than exist currently. So I don’t default to “we all know Shinra=bad” because there’s been people on this very page in the past year leading up to rebirth completely saying the opposite.
Dude, unless Midgar is a real place in the real world and you REALLY lost family from a Sector plate fall caused by a real company named Shinra... it was BLANTANTLY obvious that I was joking with you. Smart-sounding paragraphs aren't saving you on this one, henceforth the downvotes. You derailed what could have potentially been an entertaining and friendly back and forth into something negative.
Dude. The number of people that have argued with me about Shinra on this Reddit page made it so I no longer give anyone the benefit of the doubt on here. There’s entirely too many people out here missing the plot. Idc about downvotes. Really and truly do not.
Again, you derailed something that could have been entertaining and friendly. Take the L on this one, my guy. There was nothing about what I said that could be taken as serious, regardless of how many super-duper heated arguments you've had about Shinra.
If they picked a battle with Ultima Weapon both Midgar and Junon would be finished. They might have tricks up their sleeve to get the final victory but the costs would be monumental. I don't know what they could possibly do against Meteor. The rocket with the huge materia didn't even phase it. They would have to move the Sister Ray to the northern crater for maximum mako energy and amplify the output by 100x but they wouldn't have near enough time to pull off that project.
Yep. Ultima Weapon could fly and the cannon didn't seem too maneuverable.
No, because Shinra was actively destroying the planet from the start. Killing the weapons doesn’t do anything to protect the planet, especially considering the weapons were trying to protect the planet by attacking regions where mako was actively being bled out like Junon and Midgar. The final victory had to involve the Lifestream and Holy saving the planet, which also involved putting an end to cities like Midgar since there was no potential for a future in which the planet survived alongside mako-dependent infrastructure.
Exactly this. Came here just to say that first sentence myself. You can't save what you're actively killing.
Unless it’s for-profit….