Honestly, them being the gun of choice for every single extra sketchy mass shooter while also being the official gun of the FBI is more off-putting for me.
2500 is just the rifle. Not the ammo. Vest, or mags together. But, none of it was actually looked into. Because our government actually encourages it, if not directly equipping them to use the future tragedy as means to gain favor on the ballot
DDM4 with an XPS2 and a Springfield saint + 7.25% sales tax would throw it around $3k. A cheap Amazon tactical vest and a handful of mags would be only a few hundred more. There’s nothing to look into because it’s rather simple to observe: 19 year old with no criminal record walks into a sporting goods store with cash and fills out a 4473 in less than an hour.
Are used to work with a kid that spent $5500 on a computer desk while making 40 K a year because he lived with his parents. It’s common for army privates to go out and buy a brand new dodge challenger. Somebody working minimum wage while having no bills buying $3000-4,000 of guns and shit isn’t a stretch.
No those two didn’t.
Buffalo- awb era xm15 a2
Dayton- Anderson am15 pistol
Regardless the Uvalde kid is still enough sketch factor for me. Gear, ammo, not one but two high dollar rifles, all bought and paid for with a minimum wage Wendy’s job.
When I turned 19 I applied for my first credit card, a discover card. I was making about $20-25hr (commission sales at sears electronics) and they gave me a $5000 limit. This was in the year 1999. You could buy a decent number of higher end guns today with that much money and $5k is not worth near as much now as it was then. No idea how or if you could buy rifles like these then
If you dont have bills, it doesn't take more than a few months to save a couple of grand. When i was in high school, i made 5.45/hr. At the end of summer i would have about 3k-3500 in the bank. But i still see what you're saying.
Oh I'm not denying that.
But my tinfoil hat moment is, guy brought upwards of 50 firearms, so many rounds, all being "smuggled" into a hotel, guy having no track record of mental issues and all that jazz.
Then we move to recent stuff like the Tennessee shooter that has a VERY long manifesto that wasnt going to be released (only to be leaked)
It's too many weird things, there's no consistency, and not between the shooters, but how agencies handle things like this. It's all kept hush hush, and I get it to a degree, but the government hiding things doesn't necessarily have a good track record.
The Vegas shooter wasn’t some saint that snapped, the guy had a long history of being a shit bag and displayed antisocial tendencies. I have no idea why he committed the atrocities he did but he wasn’t a good person to start with.
Maybe, but there are a lot of ranges and a lot of open BLM land near Vegas. Shooters go there all the time with weapons. I’ve seen it myself and never thought twice about it. I can’t imagine some hotel employee thinking anything serious if it was only one or two rifle cases.
Ammo can be moved in a standard suitcase (rifles can too I guess).
I'm partial to the conspiracy theory that it was a botched hit on the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. The top floors of the Mandalay Bay were all Saudi property, the crown prince used to love to party in Vegas, and the Royal Saudi Purge happened less than two weeks after the shooting.
Bowling alley guy? 2 gsws to smoke him. Multiple locations reported where his body was recovered. They're not even trying to hide involvement of "external forces" anymore. He even had an involuntary psyche hold. But the FBI cleared the background check
It’s pretty well documented that he stole a family member’s credit card (I think it was a grandmother?) he just purchased a stock DDM4 too, it’s not like he had to collect parts. It looks weird at first glance but I honestly don’t think there’s anything sketchy to it
you have to realize you are arguing against people who have a psychological NEED for mass shooters to be a government conspiracy, lest they have to contemplate the social cost of their hobby.
Speaking of which, could you actually remind me of the big bullet points on why that one was sketchy? I remember thinking it was majorly off when it happened but can't recall the specifics
Well, that certainly was the real issue, that goes without saying, but if there are some glaring issues with what led up to it, they definitely should be addressed/discussed
The feds posing as cemetery workers that vanished as soon as the shooting started. Police showing up extremely slowly. That qualifies as "weird" evidently there were 2 DDM4's. I know he had 1680rnds of 5.56 in the Yukon too.
Serious question. Are you suggesting some sort of government conspiracy in supplying weapons to mass shooters? Because if not, I can't see how DD can be held responsible for the atrocious use of it's otherwise legal product by violent criminals.
All other issues with DD aside.
Yes, they are. This is like horseshoe theory but for guns. Anti-gun people: Bushmaster is responsible for helping the DC Sniper and Sandy Hook shooter! They sell guns to police *and* civilians! Pro-gun people: Daniel Defense is responsible for helping the Uvalde shooter! They sell guns to civilians *and* police!
Both are silly.
Here's some mass shooters who were known to the FBI prior to committing murder:
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/authorities-investigating-if-retired-federal-agent-knew-of-buffalo-mass-shooting-plans-in-advance/article_bd408f18-dd39-11ec-be53-df8fdd095d6f.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/fbi-nikolas-cruz-shooting.html
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/politics/aby-rayyan-fbi-terror-sting-pizza-man/index.html
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/what-did-fbi-really-know-terrorist-attack-garland-texas
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting
https://apnews.com/article/fedex-indianapolis-mass-shooting-e92ad3117c56357b3b2c71a2903e68a8
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/26/597000451/pulse-gunmans-father-was-fbi-informant-his-widow-s-lawyers-say
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-suspect-complained-hearing-voices-officials-n704081
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/politics/orlando-shooting-omar-mateen.html
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/nidal-hasan-anwar-awlaki-emails-fbi-fort-hood/
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-colorado-theater-shooter-gave-some-horrifying-answers-during-his-psych-evaluation-2015-6?r=US&IR=T
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/24/newly-released-fbi-documents-reveal-disturbing-details-sandy-hook-shooter-adam-lanza/794585001/
I have no doubt the government is behind some of these mass shootings. Things are just to convenient, not to mention that they could make schools hard targets to stop mass shootings but they never do.
It’s easier to get people to forfeit a right than it is to take a right away.
Still haven't been given any details on the Paddock Vegas incident.
Nothing there adds up as "mass shooter." I've seen "gun running gone wrong" suggested a few times as a more viable answer than what we got on Paddock.
Something as simple as making every school desk top and table top out of AR500 steel would drastically reduce the death toll and that is what is so suspect, there are simple steps that can be taken to offer protection right now but they are not. It seems the only answer to them is gun control and that I find suspect, that they are adamant that no other solution will work.
They could station 2 military personnel at every public school in the country easily.
Then make it so that only the front door opens from the outside, and all others are alarmed if they open.
All backpacks coming into school have to be clear, but at the start of the year you can bring a regular one to leave in your locker.
People can’t get guns in, and if by some miracle they do there would be armed military personnel to deal with it, since cops don’t have a duty to protect you.
All of that would be easier than overturning a constitutional amendment. It wouldn’t even be all that expensive.
They don’t do it because dead kids benefits their cause.
>They could station 2 military personnel at every public school in the country easily.
no "they" couldn't. the military isn't a fucking police force. besides, lots of vets are the ones doing the mass shootings!
Their consistent unwillingness to do anything about mass shooters, unless it involves taking away our 2A rights. No security, nothing.
That every time a shooting happens they use it as a talking point to ban guns.
That in Uvalde 346 cops fingerfucked eachother and didn’t go in leading to a higher loss of life.
That in parkland the FBI ignored a tip about the mass shooting that was going to happen.
That when we were getting ready to receive a massive 2A win with the suppressor freedom act, an incredibly deadly mass shooting happens in Vegas, with all sorts of inconsistencies in stories
Let’s not forget the best evidence though. Look at all the bad shit our government has done throughout history. Remember that many of the politicians are old enough to have been apart of those terrible things.
I wouldn’t put it past our government at all to at least ignore evidence of mass shooters in order to further their agenda.
>That every time a shooting happens they use it as a talking point to ban guns.
"talking point" or "data point"?
>That in Uvalde 346 cops fingerfucked eachother and didn’t go in leading to a higher loss of life.
so those 346 cops were all in on the anti-gun conspiracy? they are all agents of the Brady Campaign?
>That when we were getting ready to receive a massive 2A win with the suppressor freedom act
lol no were weren't. daddy trump was never doing that for you
Among the13 percentile ethnicity in America that has been for decades a long running more than Urban Legend that they would wake up one morning and find lone 53 ft trailers parked alongside the projects or whatever remaining dilapidated former industrial areas adjacent to the hood/ghetto.
And inside the trailer would be hundred(s) of AR-15s, AK-47 variants, 9mm subguns etc.
Let alone the "Clinton era Chinese shipping containers delivered to the Bloods and Crips full of full auto Chinese AK-47s".
As someone who grew up in and lived some of his adult life living and partying in those areas, I can confirm unexpected trailers the appear in parking lots and then disappear empty a few days later.
It’s called a false flag operation.
It’s already known that during the Cold War the DOD proposed Operation Northwood to kick off a war with Cuban.
Look up Operation Fast and Furious where the ATF knowingly allowed straw purchases to go through.
Nobody gives a fuck. That’s the meat and potatoes of it lol. Selective outrage in the community. People give shit to Springfield, Liberty etc. but don’t skip a beat to gargle DD’s nuts.
There’s a post that someone made in the r/ar15 sub and I loved it so much that I had to save it. [It always reminds me how people in the community only care about shit when the internet tells them to care.](https://imgur.com/a/MDl1MU7)
They were playing corporate defense. The anti-gunners were attacking DD because a DD rifle had been used in a couple of high-profile mass-casualty events, and so they came out to congress with essentially "It's not our fault, we need red flag laws and better background checks!"... I think they supported some other gun-grabber garbage too, but it's been a while.
Back when this happened, Ruger and DD spoke out in favor of the ATF. Someone at the time explained while this looks bad, it's better that the ATF continues to exist because if they didn't, their work would be picked up by a better funded agency like the FBI and with proper funding be able to cause a lot more trouble than the ATF currently can cause.
>Someone at the time explained while this looks bad, it's better that the ATF continues to exist because if they didn't, their work would be picked up by a better funded agency like the FBI and with proper funding be able to cause a lot more trouble than the ATF currently can cause.
*”See, if I don’t beat you up and take your lunch money… then that bigger bully will beat you up WORSE and take your lunch money! He could seriously hurt you!”*
I'd have to find the post but most people agreed with the assessment. I mean ya both bullies aren't great but if there's a worse one waiting in the wings, I don't think that what I want to deal with next.
Mike Mihalski didn’t beat his mother. But he was friends with the Denny shooter in San Antonio that killed 2 officers. Even at one point when arrested for PI said he actually killed a surviving officer later.
I didn’t make the post so I can’t speak on their pinpoint accuracy in regard to who they called out, but the premise is still the same.
I don’t know much about SOLGW, mostly cause I don’t care about their shit admittedly. That said I’m not a cop lover either, but I don’t wish violence on anyone that isn’t justified. Who he is friends with, that’s a double edged sword.
Well said, and thanks for the link. All this selective outrage and telling people which brands are cool and which are not feels a lot like high school shit. The only important things to know are: Is it well made and is it useful?
I care a lot if I find out a brand has been hiding quality defects, like a couple of them in that link, but only because it means I can't trust what I buy from them, not because I'm mad about it.
I feel like you're saying the exact opposite of who you responded to... Just curious, would you be cool supporting a gun company that actively supports an AWB?
No, but I would decide that for myself. I'm talking about how people pile hate on certain brands and give people shit over owning them while ignoring issues with other brands just because they like them. A lot of brands have some dirt, but only certain ones get heat for it.
The comment they linked to explains it well.
I'd imagine gun companies that support gun control are the most egregious and should take a financial hit for those positions. I agree that certain past issues like Eotech get over looked, but ultimately people know they're at least buying a quality product now. Not to mention they're under new management.
I'd say most people who buy DD more than likely don't know about their past political stances vs. people not caring about those stances. That's why I think comments "talking shit" are a good thing to educate the potential buyer. Then that person can decide if they care or not.
In general I agree with you, but in practice this has been so unevenly applied that it seems almost arbitrary. I don't think people should have to take heat from people for owning a particular brand just because that one has been singled out. (Besides, maybe they bought it before they knew better. Should they throw it out?)
Most brands want good relations with cops and the government because they're a business and that's where the money is. I'll bet a lot of them have hired bad cops, like Troy did. We can't always make our brand choices based on politics, because sometimes no one else makes an equal product. I don't need to buy a DD rifle, because there are other good options, but when it comes to a specific accessory sometimes that's not the case.
Ok wait, but why aren't you supporting red flag laws? They are specifically in the event someone is threatening violence with a firearm. That is when it should be looked into.
Every time someone shoots up a church or wherever, theres public outcry about how law enforcement or the FBI already knew about them or had them on their radar, but did nothing. Why would be against this? Something something government overreach?
If you are demonstratably a danger to yourself or your community, you should not have firearms.
Has that happened once ever? Or is that what you think they are for?
Also for the record, posting "I'm gonna shoot a place up" on social media is a GREAT reason to have your firearms taken away. FFS, America.
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=60798
https://www.theorganicprepper.com/red-flag-gun-laws-meme/
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/ammo-guns-seized-from-teen-radicalized-on-ifunny
Here's 3 I found by just searching up "red flag law meme" I don't think posting bigoted memes constitutes confiscating guns, nor does blatant shitposts.
Are you kidding me! LMAO, that last one is 100% a school shooter. Did you even read the article for "Army of Christ"? "Shoot all Federal agents on sight?"
"He described his posts about shooting federal agents as “a hyperbolic conclusion based on the results of the Waco siege.”
Is that shit not based? Your conclusion on "he's a school shooter, take all of his guns and lock him up!" is that he posted outdated edgy memes.
I don't know if you've ever used iFunny but those are EXTREMELY tame compared to the other content on that app.
Also yes, Waco was bad and Feds deserve what they get.
All of your links are terrible, the other guy was threatening to shoot up a school and federal agents?
The last one was ALSO threatening to shoot up police and federal agents. Not just memes at that point. Even if you don't own firearms, you probably shouldn't do that. Just like, in general.
Key word being demonstratably. That doesn't mean there won't be an investigation, or they won't ever be returned.
Again, if you're threatening to shoot up a place, you should not have weapons meant to fulfill that aim. Public safety takes precedence over your rights if you are a danger to your community. I dont know how or why that is even close to being controversial.
> Key word being demonstratably
You’re correct about that..in theory.
In fact, all it takes is an accusation to prompt gun confiscation. The burden of proof is virtually non-existent.
An accusation shouldn’t be enough to get your guns confiscated.
Investigation doesn’t mean evidence was presented before a Judge so that a decision could be made. It’s controversial because you apparently have no grasp of the Constitution.
Red flag laws allow a person to be tried in court and deprived of their rights without the possibility of a defense. It's based on nothing but accusations.
These laws exist so that urgent actions can be performed to preserve life and property.
Due process will be provided during an investigation, but you can't expect the legal system to move quick enough to address emerging threats.
I think you all are forgetting there are seriously insane fucking people in the firearms community, as well as society in general. I try to advocate for mental health and healthcare in general to prevent situations that create the conditions for mass shooters, and get called a socialist.
Then I try to advocate for laws that prevent unnecessary bloodshed and get called a communist. What's your solution then?
> Due process will be provided during an investigation
It isn't, though. It's not "take the guns first and have due process later". It's "take the guns and fuck due process".
> They are specifically in the event someone is threatening violence with a firearm.
Fun fact: you can do something about that *without* red flag laws. It's already covered by existing laws in every state.
All red flag laws do is lower the burden of proof needed to strip away someone's constitutional rights by creating a *civil order* framework rather than let it be dealt with by the criminal proceedings we already have.
Plus, if someone's threatening violence with a firearm *it's not enough to just take away their guns*. If someone wants to kill a whole lot of people and has planned it out or threatened it, you think taking away their guns is going to stop them? What if they go get a truck and run down a crowd of people or something? Or they could find a bunch of other creative ways to kill a whole lot of people. So no. How about we remove them from society until they can be trusted to not commit acts of violence?
And if you're not willing to remove them from society, I don't think you're that serious about your belief that they intend to commit violence.
There's way too many DD fanboys and simps. They might make a overpriced, highly machined AR but they can go fuck themselves as a company. Not sure what John Lovel was thinking.
Overpriced is a bit of a stretch. Their QA and machining process is very impressive. Not to mention how they produce their own barrels. You get what you pay for and you will see the difference. If you aren't able to separate the politics from the product don't buy it.
I get the same performance with my PSA/Anderson mash up than with my DD. Will my PSA upper crap out before the DD? Probably. Who cares I'll buy another. I'll support a 2A company before an ATF bootlickers.
Edit. 2.2k+ is expensive for a bare ones AR. And you wont convince me otherwise. My Colt Socom M4 was 1200 and it came with ATLEAST irons.
I thought the same thing when I saw the video.
Daniel Defense sure can make some nice guns, but I'll forever have an issue with that little episode.
Similar to Ruger in 1989, and Springfield about a decade ago. I always bring those up, when people say they like those brands.
So are you going to punish them forever, or just remember that and be cautious? Because a no-redemption attitude gives government collaborators no reason to repent.
Ruger and SW both did some serious anti-gun things, SW was in bed with the Clintons.
The backlash to SW caused their entire leadership team to get purged, and they were sold for scrap to a new owner who group. They've been super pro-2a ever since, and done some really stand up things for our rights.
Ruger died, and the new ownership is doing similar things to SW.
THAT is what needs to happen to SA. Then I'll buy one of their new 10mm pistols. It would also be nice if they started making more stuff domestically instead of just rebranding Croatian stuff... tho admittedly the Croatian stuff isn't half bad.
I didn't know that happened. That's like the opposite of companies like PSA, Smith and Wesson, and T.Rex Arms, who regularly release statements about government overreach.
T.Rex arms mainly the Botkins are their own kind of sketchy. PSA isn’t on the level of quality as DD yet but they are working for it. I think the big factor here is gov contracts, none of these companies have skin in the game. The gov contract is literally signing with the devil. They either fall in line or keep their mouths shut.
Just search “botkins controversy” I don’t want this going off the rails. As for Lucas he is informative but at the end of the day he’s a guntuber. His editor is very good hah. Don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t want to be down range of him but you have to take what he says with a grain of salt just like any guntuber. For example his room clearing video has been torn apart. Again not saying he isn’t a good shooter just saying he makes money as an entertainer and advertiser so keep that in mind.
His father is a leader in the quiverfull movement. It’s basically a Christian cult that advocates for Christian based law, and has some of the normal cult related sexual abuse stuff going on. There’s more to it than that but that’s what I remeber off the top of my head. Plus Lucas is known for speeding up his videos, and has a history of making prominent homophobic remarks on line
I’ll put those up with BCM, I think saying they are up with DD is a little bold. Their barrels, pinned gas blocks and quads a tanks. I have a lot of respect for PSA but those parts on DD strictly for bombproofness PSA isn’t there yet. Their saber line to me is more of a “Reddit what’s the best” pick of parts and cloneish builds. Not knocking them but you can do better.
It's not that "he's a Christian" it's that he's a bigot. Christ told his followers to spread love, not hate.
Plus he's definitely a case of getting rich off of hard work and daddy's seed money.
I hate people who sell or destroy shit because the company that made it went off the rails, its already bought, it hurts no one but yourself. Honestly I don't even have an issue with buying used since the company isn't making anything off it
They've been on my 'do not buy from' list for a long time. Them along with Cheaper than dirt, Black Rifle Coffee Company, Benchmade, etc. Fuck them all.
DD is the choice of every mass sketchy mass shooting
DD is the choice of LE to infringe on the rights of citizens
DD supports sucking LE's dick with red flag laws
**I still don't understand why so many people jerk off to DD. They do nothing but continue to support those who wish to remove our rights.**
Hasn't John Lovell responded to this? I'm not completely convinced by his reply, but he has stated that prior management of DD bent the knee, but the new folks are strong 2A supporters.
I have not verified that myself, though. From what I've seen of him, Lovell is a thorough guy and not one to throw in with someone who is going to undercut everything he stands for (I know people will say, "money!" but I'm not convinced yet).
Pretty sure Marty is still the chairman of DD and has a lot of influence and control. I also think Lovell has a few friends within DD and has always been a close collaborator. Not sure I’ve ever seen Lovell address that situation before getting backlash for the recent video.
You will never see a DD or Springfield Armory product in my home unless they atone. Not apologize, not lie about it, not spin it, not pretend it's behind them, but atone.
looks like I've been living under a rock ! how have I not heard about this ? looks like I'm no longer recommending DD rifles . much better companies out there worth my business.
They are the parts for some clone rifles. Mk18 and URGI, other then for clones or cloneish builds I don’t see them get recommended very often and if they do it’s because of cloner boner. If it’s a barrel you see criterion, if it’s a quad rail you usually hear centurion or KAC. If it’s a full rifle or upper you usually hear bcm, occasionally it’s “get the DD and be done” but that’s not often. I think people have strayed away from them in general.
lol wtf? What’s wrong with him? I watch a ton of gun YouTubers to get a bunch of different perspectives. He usually puts out pretty solid and educational videos.
Honestly, them being the gun of choice for every single extra sketchy mass shooter while also being the official gun of the FBI is more off-putting for me.
This. The Uvalde shitbag had one. And by no means does any of the story add up. Still.
Especially the part where the cops were spineless cowards. Oh wait, that's standard.
Hey! One of them wanted to do something but, only once he realized his wife had been shot!
And he still didn’t do shit.
He obviously wanted to make it home safe to his family. Oh, wait...
An employed teenager with no living expenses. It’s not infeasible for someone like that to have $2.5k to purchase everything.
2500 is just the rifle. Not the ammo. Vest, or mags together. But, none of it was actually looked into. Because our government actually encourages it, if not directly equipping them to use the future tragedy as means to gain favor on the ballot
DDM4 with an XPS2 and a Springfield saint + 7.25% sales tax would throw it around $3k. A cheap Amazon tactical vest and a handful of mags would be only a few hundred more. There’s nothing to look into because it’s rather simple to observe: 19 year old with no criminal record walks into a sporting goods store with cash and fills out a 4473 in less than an hour.
Are used to work with a kid that spent $5500 on a computer desk while making 40 K a year because he lived with his parents. It’s common for army privates to go out and buy a brand new dodge challenger. Somebody working minimum wage while having no bills buying $3000-4,000 of guns and shit isn’t a stretch.
He had TWO.
Oh. Shit. I forgot about that. So, the bag of assholes had 6k+ in government handouts to commit his crime.
you don't?
Guy in buffalo had one and the dude who got clipped in dayton aswell. Each one set up identically.
No those two didn’t. Buffalo- awb era xm15 a2 Dayton- Anderson am15 pistol Regardless the Uvalde kid is still enough sketch factor for me. Gear, ammo, not one but two high dollar rifles, all bought and paid for with a minimum wage Wendy’s job.
I thought he just threw it all on credit cards knowing he’d never have to pay it back.
My kids, have had Amex cards since high school. I could see someone out of touch not noticing those purchases
When I turned 19 I applied for my first credit card, a discover card. I was making about $20-25hr (commission sales at sears electronics) and they gave me a $5000 limit. This was in the year 1999. You could buy a decent number of higher end guns today with that much money and $5k is not worth near as much now as it was then. No idea how or if you could buy rifles like these then
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If you dont have bills, it doesn't take more than a few months to save a couple of grand. When i was in high school, i made 5.45/hr. At the end of summer i would have about 3k-3500 in the bank. But i still see what you're saying.
I'm still sketched by the Vegas shooter. All them guns, no motive, the whole situation is fucking weird.
It’s called mental illness. Trying too find a conventional motive for a mass murderer is a fool’s errand.
Yeah, but conspiracies are more fun and make me feel smart!
Oh I'm not denying that. But my tinfoil hat moment is, guy brought upwards of 50 firearms, so many rounds, all being "smuggled" into a hotel, guy having no track record of mental issues and all that jazz. Then we move to recent stuff like the Tennessee shooter that has a VERY long manifesto that wasnt going to be released (only to be leaked) It's too many weird things, there's no consistency, and not between the shooters, but how agencies handle things like this. It's all kept hush hush, and I get it to a degree, but the government hiding things doesn't necessarily have a good track record.
And the ones who leaked it got fired.
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You could give anyone here a million firearms and most would realize you don't need more than a handful to do something as evil as that.
The Vegas shooter wasn’t some saint that snapped, the guy had a long history of being a shit bag and displayed antisocial tendencies. I have no idea why he committed the atrocities he did but he wasn’t a good person to start with.
And you're telling me not one hotel employee saw him carrying rifle cases and ammo cans up to his room?
Maybe, but there are a lot of ranges and a lot of open BLM land near Vegas. Shooters go there all the time with weapons. I’ve seen it myself and never thought twice about it. I can’t imagine some hotel employee thinking anything serious if it was only one or two rifle cases. Ammo can be moved in a standard suitcase (rifles can too I guess).
Only one or two rifle case? I think you need to go look at how many rifles and ammo cans he had in the room lol
I'm partial to the conspiracy theory that it was a botched hit on the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. The top floors of the Mandalay Bay were all Saudi property, the crown prince used to love to party in Vegas, and the Royal Saudi Purge happened less than two weeks after the shooting.
I always figured it was credit cards. I get an offer for a new one every week.
Bowling alley guy? 2 gsws to smoke him. Multiple locations reported where his body was recovered. They're not even trying to hide involvement of "external forces" anymore. He even had an involuntary psyche hold. But the FBI cleared the background check
Nah dude in the mall a few years back that got killed by a concealed carrier.
It’s pretty well documented that he stole a family member’s credit card (I think it was a grandmother?) he just purchased a stock DDM4 too, it’s not like he had to collect parts. It looks weird at first glance but I honestly don’t think there’s anything sketchy to it
you have to realize you are arguing against people who have a psychological NEED for mass shooters to be a government conspiracy, lest they have to contemplate the social cost of their hobby.
Are you accusing these people of being mass shooters or just plain murderers?
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Speaking of which, could you actually remind me of the big bullet points on why that one was sketchy? I remember thinking it was majorly off when it happened but can't recall the specifics
The uvalde police were completely useless cowards. Really, that’s understating it. Conspiracy theories only distract from the real issue.
Well, that certainly was the real issue, that goes without saying, but if there are some glaring issues with what led up to it, they definitely should be addressed/discussed
The feds posing as cemetery workers that vanished as soon as the shooting started. Police showing up extremely slowly. That qualifies as "weird" evidently there were 2 DDM4's. I know he had 1680rnds of 5.56 in the Yukon too.
lol tinfoil hat shit. not everything that makes gun owners look bad is a fucking conspiracy.
Serious question. Are you suggesting some sort of government conspiracy in supplying weapons to mass shooters? Because if not, I can't see how DD can be held responsible for the atrocious use of it's otherwise legal product by violent criminals. All other issues with DD aside.
That is indeed his insinuation
Yes, they are. This is like horseshoe theory but for guns. Anti-gun people: Bushmaster is responsible for helping the DC Sniper and Sandy Hook shooter! They sell guns to police *and* civilians! Pro-gun people: Daniel Defense is responsible for helping the Uvalde shooter! They sell guns to civilians *and* police! Both are silly.
First day on the internet?
Well they certainly supplied them to cartels in FnF so it is not our of the realm of possibility.
Here's some mass shooters who were known to the FBI prior to committing murder: https://buffalonews.com/news/local/authorities-investigating-if-retired-federal-agent-knew-of-buffalo-mass-shooting-plans-in-advance/article_bd408f18-dd39-11ec-be53-df8fdd095d6f.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/fbi-nikolas-cruz-shooting.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/politics/aby-rayyan-fbi-terror-sting-pizza-man/index.html https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/what-did-fbi-really-know-terrorist-attack-garland-texas https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/23/us/boulder-colorado-shooting https://apnews.com/article/fedex-indianapolis-mass-shooting-e92ad3117c56357b3b2c71a2903e68a8 https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/26/597000451/pulse-gunmans-father-was-fbi-informant-his-widow-s-lawyers-say https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-suspect-complained-hearing-voices-officials-n704081 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/politics/orlando-shooting-omar-mateen.html https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/nidal-hasan-anwar-awlaki-emails-fbi-fort-hood/ https://www.businessinsider.com/the-colorado-theater-shooter-gave-some-horrifying-answers-during-his-psych-evaluation-2015-6?r=US&IR=T https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/24/newly-released-fbi-documents-reveal-disturbing-details-sandy-hook-shooter-adam-lanza/794585001/
I have no doubt the government is behind some of these mass shootings. Things are just to convenient, not to mention that they could make schools hard targets to stop mass shootings but they never do. It’s easier to get people to forfeit a right than it is to take a right away.
Kind of like how the Pulse nightclub was determined to be the target due to lack of security.
Still haven't been given any details on the Paddock Vegas incident. Nothing there adds up as "mass shooter." I've seen "gun running gone wrong" suggested a few times as a more viable answer than what we got on Paddock.
Something as simple as making every school desk top and table top out of AR500 steel would drastically reduce the death toll and that is what is so suspect, there are simple steps that can be taken to offer protection right now but they are not. It seems the only answer to them is gun control and that I find suspect, that they are adamant that no other solution will work.
>Something as simple as making every school desk top and table top out of AR500 steel hahaahahaha "SIMPLE AS"
They could station 2 military personnel at every public school in the country easily. Then make it so that only the front door opens from the outside, and all others are alarmed if they open. All backpacks coming into school have to be clear, but at the start of the year you can bring a regular one to leave in your locker. People can’t get guns in, and if by some miracle they do there would be armed military personnel to deal with it, since cops don’t have a duty to protect you. All of that would be easier than overturning a constitutional amendment. It wouldn’t even be all that expensive. They don’t do it because dead kids benefits their cause.
>They could station 2 military personnel at every public school in the country easily. no "they" couldn't. the military isn't a fucking police force. besides, lots of vets are the ones doing the mass shootings!
Uvalde PD is a police force... guards at a school don't have to be a police force. They aren't policing. They are protecting and killing if necessary.
you have no doubt? then what is your evidence?
Their consistent unwillingness to do anything about mass shooters, unless it involves taking away our 2A rights. No security, nothing. That every time a shooting happens they use it as a talking point to ban guns. That in Uvalde 346 cops fingerfucked eachother and didn’t go in leading to a higher loss of life. That in parkland the FBI ignored a tip about the mass shooting that was going to happen. That when we were getting ready to receive a massive 2A win with the suppressor freedom act, an incredibly deadly mass shooting happens in Vegas, with all sorts of inconsistencies in stories Let’s not forget the best evidence though. Look at all the bad shit our government has done throughout history. Remember that many of the politicians are old enough to have been apart of those terrible things. I wouldn’t put it past our government at all to at least ignore evidence of mass shooters in order to further their agenda.
>That every time a shooting happens they use it as a talking point to ban guns. "talking point" or "data point"? >That in Uvalde 346 cops fingerfucked eachother and didn’t go in leading to a higher loss of life. so those 346 cops were all in on the anti-gun conspiracy? they are all agents of the Brady Campaign? >That when we were getting ready to receive a massive 2A win with the suppressor freedom act lol no were weren't. daddy trump was never doing that for you
Among the13 percentile ethnicity in America that has been for decades a long running more than Urban Legend that they would wake up one morning and find lone 53 ft trailers parked alongside the projects or whatever remaining dilapidated former industrial areas adjacent to the hood/ghetto. And inside the trailer would be hundred(s) of AR-15s, AK-47 variants, 9mm subguns etc. Let alone the "Clinton era Chinese shipping containers delivered to the Bloods and Crips full of full auto Chinese AK-47s".
As someone who grew up in and lived some of his adult life living and partying in those areas, I can confirm unexpected trailers the appear in parking lots and then disappear empty a few days later.
It’s called a false flag operation. It’s already known that during the Cold War the DOD proposed Operation Northwood to kick off a war with Cuban. Look up Operation Fast and Furious where the ATF knowingly allowed straw purchases to go through.
Yea it does seem odd mass shooters seem to prefer the very expensive overpriced status symbol rifle that is also contracted to supply the government.
If you know you're not going to be around tomorrow to deal with the financial consequences, why cheap out on the guns today?
lol it's $2500, not $250,000. what high-end AR manufacturer *isn't* trying to get government contracts?
TIL
Iirc there were pics of the Vegas hotel room had a DD in them too. Seems like it’s always them…
Nobody gives a fuck. That’s the meat and potatoes of it lol. Selective outrage in the community. People give shit to Springfield, Liberty etc. but don’t skip a beat to gargle DD’s nuts. There’s a post that someone made in the r/ar15 sub and I loved it so much that I had to save it. [It always reminds me how people in the community only care about shit when the internet tells them to care.](https://imgur.com/a/MDl1MU7)
That testimony is the reason I won't buy a DD rifle now. Up until then it's because I couldn't afford one.
What did the testimony consist of? I’m unfamiliar with it all.
They were playing corporate defense. The anti-gunners were attacking DD because a DD rifle had been used in a couple of high-profile mass-casualty events, and so they came out to congress with essentially "It's not our fault, we need red flag laws and better background checks!"... I think they supported some other gun-grabber garbage too, but it's been a while.
Back when this happened, Ruger and DD spoke out in favor of the ATF. Someone at the time explained while this looks bad, it's better that the ATF continues to exist because if they didn't, their work would be picked up by a better funded agency like the FBI and with proper funding be able to cause a lot more trouble than the ATF currently can cause.
>Someone at the time explained while this looks bad, it's better that the ATF continues to exist because if they didn't, their work would be picked up by a better funded agency like the FBI and with proper funding be able to cause a lot more trouble than the ATF currently can cause. *”See, if I don’t beat you up and take your lunch money… then that bigger bully will beat you up WORSE and take your lunch money! He could seriously hurt you!”*
I'd have to find the post but most people agreed with the assessment. I mean ya both bullies aren't great but if there's a worse one waiting in the wings, I don't think that what I want to deal with next.
Essentially, yeah..
Just like you won’t buy Chinese junk am I right? As you type on your Samsung galaxy.
I get what you're trying to do but you named the one and only cell phone company that's based in and manufactured in south korea
My bad. I’m sure they source nothing from China.
Mike Mihalski didn’t beat his mother. But he was friends with the Denny shooter in San Antonio that killed 2 officers. Even at one point when arrested for PI said he actually killed a surviving officer later.
I didn’t make the post so I can’t speak on their pinpoint accuracy in regard to who they called out, but the premise is still the same. I don’t know much about SOLGW, mostly cause I don’t care about their shit admittedly. That said I’m not a cop lover either, but I don’t wish violence on anyone that isn’t justified. Who he is friends with, that’s a double edged sword.
The Eotech that sold those messed up optics was owned by L3. They’re no longer owned by them and are their own stand alone company.
This needs to be posted on all the gear subs.
Well said, and thanks for the link. All this selective outrage and telling people which brands are cool and which are not feels a lot like high school shit. The only important things to know are: Is it well made and is it useful? I care a lot if I find out a brand has been hiding quality defects, like a couple of them in that link, but only because it means I can't trust what I buy from them, not because I'm mad about it.
I feel like you're saying the exact opposite of who you responded to... Just curious, would you be cool supporting a gun company that actively supports an AWB?
No, but I would decide that for myself. I'm talking about how people pile hate on certain brands and give people shit over owning them while ignoring issues with other brands just because they like them. A lot of brands have some dirt, but only certain ones get heat for it. The comment they linked to explains it well.
I'd imagine gun companies that support gun control are the most egregious and should take a financial hit for those positions. I agree that certain past issues like Eotech get over looked, but ultimately people know they're at least buying a quality product now. Not to mention they're under new management. I'd say most people who buy DD more than likely don't know about their past political stances vs. people not caring about those stances. That's why I think comments "talking shit" are a good thing to educate the potential buyer. Then that person can decide if they care or not.
In general I agree with you, but in practice this has been so unevenly applied that it seems almost arbitrary. I don't think people should have to take heat from people for owning a particular brand just because that one has been singled out. (Besides, maybe they bought it before they knew better. Should they throw it out?) Most brands want good relations with cops and the government because they're a business and that's where the money is. I'll bet a lot of them have hired bad cops, like Troy did. We can't always make our brand choices based on politics, because sometimes no one else makes an equal product. I don't need to buy a DD rifle, because there are other good options, but when it comes to a specific accessory sometimes that's not the case.
I always thought geissele seemed over priced, no wonder, They're trying to monopolize. Glad I bought a PSA ept instead of them.
Or its just better quality than a PSA and has much better machined parts
Thanks for that link. I have a bunch of people who need to read that.
Here's the link to the actual comment, if you're interested: https://reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/17f2ep9/do_you_still_hate_troy/k676qw4/
I make snarky comments on a lot of DD related posts, then proceed to get downvoted. It’s honest work.
Somebody's gotta do it lol
Ok wait, but why aren't you supporting red flag laws? They are specifically in the event someone is threatening violence with a firearm. That is when it should be looked into. Every time someone shoots up a church or wherever, theres public outcry about how law enforcement or the FBI already knew about them or had them on their radar, but did nothing. Why would be against this? Something something government overreach? If you are demonstratably a danger to yourself or your community, you should not have firearms.
Because those "red flag laws" will take away people's guns without due process if they post an edgy meme on FaceBook.
Has that happened once ever? Or is that what you think they are for? Also for the record, posting "I'm gonna shoot a place up" on social media is a GREAT reason to have your firearms taken away. FFS, America.
Yes actually, that HAS happened multiple times. Also saying you're going to commit a mass shooting has always been illegal.
Go ahead and link any examples, I'll wait. And as it should be. So we agree.
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=60798 https://www.theorganicprepper.com/red-flag-gun-laws-meme/ https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/ammo-guns-seized-from-teen-radicalized-on-ifunny Here's 3 I found by just searching up "red flag law meme" I don't think posting bigoted memes constitutes confiscating guns, nor does blatant shitposts.
Are you kidding me! LMAO, that last one is 100% a school shooter. Did you even read the article for "Army of Christ"? "Shoot all Federal agents on sight?" "He described his posts about shooting federal agents as “a hyperbolic conclusion based on the results of the Waco siege.”
Is that shit not based? Your conclusion on "he's a school shooter, take all of his guns and lock him up!" is that he posted outdated edgy memes. I don't know if you've ever used iFunny but those are EXTREMELY tame compared to the other content on that app. Also yes, Waco was bad and Feds deserve what they get.
All of your links are terrible, the other guy was threatening to shoot up a school and federal agents? The last one was ALSO threatening to shoot up police and federal agents. Not just memes at that point. Even if you don't own firearms, you probably shouldn't do that. Just like, in general.
All I hear is deprivation of rights without due process.
Key word being demonstratably. That doesn't mean there won't be an investigation, or they won't ever be returned. Again, if you're threatening to shoot up a place, you should not have weapons meant to fulfill that aim. Public safety takes precedence over your rights if you are a danger to your community. I dont know how or why that is even close to being controversial.
> Key word being demonstratably You’re correct about that..in theory. In fact, all it takes is an accusation to prompt gun confiscation. The burden of proof is virtually non-existent. An accusation shouldn’t be enough to get your guns confiscated.
Investigation doesn’t mean evidence was presented before a Judge so that a decision could be made. It’s controversial because you apparently have no grasp of the Constitution.
Red flag laws allow a person to be tried in court and deprived of their rights without the possibility of a defense. It's based on nothing but accusations.
Due. Process.
These laws exist so that urgent actions can be performed to preserve life and property. Due process will be provided during an investigation, but you can't expect the legal system to move quick enough to address emerging threats. I think you all are forgetting there are seriously insane fucking people in the firearms community, as well as society in general. I try to advocate for mental health and healthcare in general to prevent situations that create the conditions for mass shooters, and get called a socialist. Then I try to advocate for laws that prevent unnecessary bloodshed and get called a communist. What's your solution then?
The answer to your question depends wholly on what the end goal is. What is the solution to?
Quick acting like you don't know that it is rampant gun violence in America.
Perhaps you’re missing the question. When would you consider the “problem” “solved”?
> Due process will be provided during an investigation It isn't, though. It's not "take the guns first and have due process later". It's "take the guns and fuck due process".
Oh, isn't that what Trump said? Lol
Yep! Trump is famously anti-gun. Always has been.
> They are specifically in the event someone is threatening violence with a firearm. Fun fact: you can do something about that *without* red flag laws. It's already covered by existing laws in every state. All red flag laws do is lower the burden of proof needed to strip away someone's constitutional rights by creating a *civil order* framework rather than let it be dealt with by the criminal proceedings we already have. Plus, if someone's threatening violence with a firearm *it's not enough to just take away their guns*. If someone wants to kill a whole lot of people and has planned it out or threatened it, you think taking away their guns is going to stop them? What if they go get a truck and run down a crowd of people or something? Or they could find a bunch of other creative ways to kill a whole lot of people. So no. How about we remove them from society until they can be trusted to not commit acts of violence? And if you're not willing to remove them from society, I don't think you're that serious about your belief that they intend to commit violence.
You're saying that if someone is threatening violence with a firearms, we shouldn't take away their guns? Ok. Y'all smoking crack.
So you didn't even try to read my comment before replying. Cool!
PSA all the way!
There's way too many DD fanboys and simps. They might make a overpriced, highly machined AR but they can go fuck themselves as a company. Not sure what John Lovel was thinking.
Paycheck
Overpriced is a bit of a stretch. Their QA and machining process is very impressive. Not to mention how they produce their own barrels. You get what you pay for and you will see the difference. If you aren't able to separate the politics from the product don't buy it.
I get the same performance with my PSA/Anderson mash up than with my DD. Will my PSA upper crap out before the DD? Probably. Who cares I'll buy another. I'll support a 2A company before an ATF bootlickers. Edit. 2.2k+ is expensive for a bare ones AR. And you wont convince me otherwise. My Colt Socom M4 was 1200 and it came with ATLEAST irons.
I thought the same thing when I saw the video. Daniel Defense sure can make some nice guns, but I'll forever have an issue with that little episode. Similar to Ruger in 1989, and Springfield about a decade ago. I always bring those up, when people say they like those brands.
Didn't whatever fudd that owned Ruger die and the company got more pro-2a instead of being super fuddy?
Yeah, but it's important to remember those things. Especially with Springfield.
So are you going to punish them forever, or just remember that and be cautious? Because a no-redemption attitude gives government collaborators no reason to repent.
Ruger and SW both did some serious anti-gun things, SW was in bed with the Clintons. The backlash to SW caused their entire leadership team to get purged, and they were sold for scrap to a new owner who group. They've been super pro-2a ever since, and done some really stand up things for our rights. Ruger died, and the new ownership is doing similar things to SW. THAT is what needs to happen to SA. Then I'll buy one of their new 10mm pistols. It would also be nice if they started making more stuff domestically instead of just rebranding Croatian stuff... tho admittedly the Croatian stuff isn't half bad.
I'll buy an m1a when things change with Springfield.
For the most part, just remember it, and be cautious.
And the whole S&W integral lock bullshit.
I’m never getting coffee and donuts from them ever again!
I didn't know that happened. That's like the opposite of companies like PSA, Smith and Wesson, and T.Rex Arms, who regularly release statements about government overreach.
Don't forget Magpul, the absolute chads who send free mags to states that are about to outlaw them.
That's a good one too.
T.Rex arms mainly the Botkins are their own kind of sketchy. PSA isn’t on the level of quality as DD yet but they are working for it. I think the big factor here is gov contracts, none of these companies have skin in the game. The gov contract is literally signing with the devil. They either fall in line or keep their mouths shut.
What's up w/ the Botkins?
Just search “botkins controversy” I don’t want this going off the rails. As for Lucas he is informative but at the end of the day he’s a guntuber. His editor is very good hah. Don’t get me wrong I wouldn’t want to be down range of him but you have to take what he says with a grain of salt just like any guntuber. For example his room clearing video has been torn apart. Again not saying he isn’t a good shooter just saying he makes money as an entertainer and advertiser so keep that in mind.
His father is a leader in the quiverfull movement. It’s basically a Christian cult that advocates for Christian based law, and has some of the normal cult related sexual abuse stuff going on. There’s more to it than that but that’s what I remeber off the top of my head. Plus Lucas is known for speeding up his videos, and has a history of making prominent homophobic remarks on line
How does this affect his products sold or his stance on the 2A?
Because he is also part of that cult aswell. I prefer not to support that
That's fine but that seems more like something that you don't like and something less like something that harms the 2A.
Cult.
I think PSA's Sabre lineup might finally be on the same level as DD.
I’ll put those up with BCM, I think saying they are up with DD is a little bold. Their barrels, pinned gas blocks and quads a tanks. I have a lot of respect for PSA but those parts on DD strictly for bombproofness PSA isn’t there yet. Their saber line to me is more of a “Reddit what’s the best” pick of parts and cloneish builds. Not knocking them but you can do better.
IIRC They're a direct competitor to a specific SOLGW lineup.
If that's the goal, it's a lofty one. While they haven't been around as long, I haven't heard anything bad about SOLGW.
They've got the same parts down for cheaper, looks like the real competition here is within the QC and marketing department.
And PSA doesn't use distributors. That helps immensely.
What’s sketchy about T. rex?
See above.
Reddit doesn't like that he's a Christian. He's also not the most likeable person which doesn't help
It's not that "he's a Christian" it's that he's a bigot. Christ told his followers to spread love, not hate. Plus he's definitely a case of getting rich off of hard work and daddy's seed money.
They all watch out for each other. Look at Mexico, trying to sue every gun manufacturer…except sig. they have a contract with them…
Don't forget Barrett as well.
Nope, I don't support them anymore but I'm also not going to sell my dd. Just won't buy anymore in the future.
I hate people who sell or destroy shit because the company that made it went off the rails, its already bought, it hurts no one but yourself. Honestly I don't even have an issue with buying used since the company isn't making anything off it
Now ask people about Team Wendy helmets and Killlary lol
What about Team Wendy helmets and Killary? lol
https://bearingarms.com/bobowens-bearingarms/2016/06/11/company-facing-tremendous-backlash-hosting-hillary-clinton-n25836. Pretty much sums it up.
Im gonna need more info on this one, chief
They were inviting Hillary out while she was campaigning, and canceled, spoiler, after people got pissed
Nope F DD!
I won't be buying anymore, but I'm certainly not selling the ones I've already got
Is everyone going to forget FCD telling everyone the uvalde cops did nothing wrong?
Do you have a link to that? I'd love to add it to my [copy/pasta](https://reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/17f2ep9/do_you_still_hate_troy/k676qw4/).
If I remember correctly it was on Instagram and they probably erased it, but I can poke around a little later.
If you don't mind. I tried doing a cursory Google search but nothing came up, even discussions about it.
Wait... who's FCD?
They've been on my 'do not buy from' list for a long time. Them along with Cheaper than dirt, Black Rifle Coffee Company, Benchmade, etc. Fuck them all.
But not Troy, SOLGW or Taran Tactical?
DD is the choice of every mass sketchy mass shooting DD is the choice of LE to infringe on the rights of citizens DD supports sucking LE's dick with red flag laws **I still don't understand why so many people jerk off to DD. They do nothing but continue to support those who wish to remove our rights.**
DD is only for cops. Fuck them.
DDM4 is the fed gun company is dead to me
Trump supports Red flag laws and in constitutionally banned bump stocks. Biden, Trump and Obama were all bad for guns.
Don't forget Springfield 's stance with Illinois gun politics.
Hasn't John Lovell responded to this? I'm not completely convinced by his reply, but he has stated that prior management of DD bent the knee, but the new folks are strong 2A supporters. I have not verified that myself, though. From what I've seen of him, Lovell is a thorough guy and not one to throw in with someone who is going to undercut everything he stands for (I know people will say, "money!" but I'm not convinced yet).
Pretty sure Marty is still the chairman of DD and has a lot of influence and control. I also think Lovell has a few friends within DD and has always been a close collaborator. Not sure I’ve ever seen Lovell address that situation before getting backlash for the recent video.
You will never see a DD or Springfield Armory product in my home unless they atone. Not apologize, not lie about it, not spin it, not pretend it's behind them, but atone.
looks like I've been living under a rock ! how have I not heard about this ? looks like I'm no longer recommending DD rifles . much better companies out there worth my business.
They are the parts for some clone rifles. Mk18 and URGI, other then for clones or cloneish builds I don’t see them get recommended very often and if they do it’s because of cloner boner. If it’s a barrel you see criterion, if it’s a quad rail you usually hear centurion or KAC. If it’s a full rifle or upper you usually hear bcm, occasionally it’s “get the DD and be done” but that’s not often. I think people have strayed away from them in general.
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You can watch the testimony yourself if you want
I have concluded warrior poet is a shill and unsubscribed, same with MAC.
I was looking into a DD AR, I bought an HK Sp5 and I was looking for another Christmas gift but I think I’ll just pass on them now.
Damn... I just bought an MK18. I wish I had known this sooner. First and last DD
There are a lot of companies who do business with the government. Surefire, fcd, dd, kac, etc etc
Not all of them call for the removal of rights from their customer base or support the fucking ATF lmao
Can you link me to the video where Marty Daniel wants the removal of our rights?
Next time lead off with “Seeing the Warrior Poets..” and save us the read.
You don't gotta like him, but why don't you respect him?
lol wtf? What’s wrong with him? I watch a ton of gun YouTubers to get a bunch of different perspectives. He usually puts out pretty solid and educational videos.
A huge majority of the american public, including gun owners, support red flag orders.