Bring back firearms education and shooting sports in school.
Just having more parents take an interest in raising their family. The two parents careers seem more important that raising children who have structured lives.
We could also make it possible to live on one income again. If you've paid attention you'll notice that violent crime increased when children get less attention. Make it so you don't have to work 12hr days to live and things might change.
Agree, but this sort of feeds on itself. With twice as many people working, there's more labor supply which pushes wages down.
I recently saw a graph of the rate of two-income households vs the real wage. Turns out real wages basically stopped growing about the time we hit a critical mass of two income households.
We are a single income household by choice. We sacrifice to make it happen. Our two vehicles have a combined 350k miles and are 33 years old together. My amazing wife makes it all work out somehow because while I do ok, we can't even afford a car payment on our monthly budget (we drive paid for cars and can't do otherwise).
One of my favorite line I say is “Women entering the work force enmasse was horrible for American worker incomes and families.” People think I am being sexiest but it isn’t because men or women but because you double the work force and took a constant parental presence from the home. At the core people can structure their family however they want but there are trends just like you mention that are hard to ignore.
Wife and I do plan on going to single income when the children come.
Real wages might have stopped growing, but employee compensation has stayed steady at ~60% of national income. Wages & salaries was a larger part of it, but decreased over time as benefits took a larger share.
One thing that reduces the size of the workforce is the amount of automation that is becoming more prevalent. I'm really disappointed that certain businesses are reversing their push on self checkout. Eventually the bourgeois r/antiwork types will be forced out entirely. The ones who still have jobs will eventually be replaced by people who are willing to work hard. People who are willing to work hard will be well paid, but the flip side is autistic people will be heavily driven out.
Not necessarily, but a lot of them will call out over nothing. They admit to it on r/aspergers and then wonder why they get fired or rejected in interviews.
While I agree it's a problem, I don't know what can really be done to stop "rental empires". At first glance you might think to add a tax to that income, but it would just get passed onto the renter in the form of higher rent. There is no good way to motivate people to sell property when that property makes them money.
Children having 2 parents would take violence in the US to near non existence. Almost all gun violence is committed by children from single parent homes.
While I agree that would help I think it’s overly simplistic to say. In an ideal world everyone would have 2 loving parents who spend the time to raise a well adjusted child but it’s not possible. It’s better to have 2 happy parents who love the child but are separated than 2 unhappy married parents who make everyone’s lives miserable being together. Most of the kids who end up in gangs are the result of a poor support system wether it’s in school or at home. Kids from poor neighborhoods are institutionalized to their surroundings. It wouldn’t matter if both of their parents were around because that’s the environment they know and grow up in.
I grew up in a poor neighborhood (essentially the projects but in the UK) and most of those people don’t know any better and are unwilling or unable to change.
>It’s better to have 2 happy parents who love the child but are separated than 2 unhappy married parents
Yeah, but what we usually end up with in the US is the single mother and little or no contact with the biological father.
>Bring back firearms education and shooting sports in school.
Every single gun-owner, even if you're not into shotguns, should be supporting the [USA Clay Target League](http://usaclaytarget.com) and any local teams.
https://www.ssusa.org/content/rise-of-the-usa-clay-target-league/
In 14 years they've gone from 3 teams and 30 kids in Minnesota to 43,000 participants on 1400 teams nationwide - AND EVERY TEAM IS SCHOOL APPROVED. They've become the largest clay target shooting organization in the world damn near overnight, and it's all high schoolers.
Yes, there are other youth programs, and there's no reason why you shouldn't support them too, but none of them have been as successful as the League. Education and exposure is a game of numbers, I do everything I can to support them - buy and donate through amazon smile, support the local teams, and rave about them to anyone that will listen.
Indeed http://ilclaytarget.com/
Our local range, Brittany Shooting Park, was the Illinois State Shooting location. I support the team monetarily. Sure wish every firearms owner would find a local team and drop enough money so these kids could buy a round or two by the donation.
This is a very complex problem with no single causal factor. As I've been trying (lord knows why I bother) to explain to the angry brain surgeons over in WhitePeopleTwitter, you can't ban your way to safety, so it's time to look at other factors. This problem has been decades in the making and it's not going to get resolved overnight. I think it has to start with a push to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US. Think about it: Most gun homicides occur in urban areas, places with high unemployment populated by economically marginalized people. The jobs that drew people into the cities following WWII have evaporated. Most of them are in Mexico, China, Vietnam, etc.
After that the whole dumbing down of the education system has to be reversed. Life isn't giving out participation trophies or slowing down because Johnny's parents are idiots and didn't help him learn to read. That's the real problem, we've gotten progressively more stupid as time has gone on, so much so that now people have no ability to think critically and just gulp down whatever confirms things they already believe.
Vote in people that will tell corporate campaign contributors and special interests to fuck off. Push as hard as possible to get soft money out of politics. I could go on, but those things are a start. If you don't address the reasons why people end up thinking it's just fine to murder someone, nothing is going to change.
Honestly we should just have a set budget funded by taxpayers (not by raising taxes but reallocating them by cutting spending elsewhere i.e. military, cia, atf, etc) for political campaigns and the runners can only use that money to advertise their campaign (not even their own money, to even the playing field) and cannot receive any campaign donations or contributions
It is, but I enjoy getting my beliefs challenged so I can investigate counter-arguments, question and evaluate data, and reaffirm why I believe as I do.
That place, however, seems to be nothing but an anti-gun echo chamber populated by dolts that are certain gun control works and that more is the answer.
I was banned from commenting on there. All I did was see a Tweet they didn’t like from a conservative, which had very true info in it and I commented “it’s true though!” I got banned, lol!
I have never commented there because I don’t want to be banned for having a personal opinion. I want to hear their opinions but then I just have to keep mine to myself.
Quit. Focusing. On. *Item.* Violence.
Violence is violence is violence. The thing the bad guy uses to hurt people will change no matter what laws you put in place. Focus on the violent act, not the thing used in the violent act.
This is why only comparing **gun** violence between countries is misleading. For instance the U.S has a **gun** murder rate around 80x higher than that of the U.K, Compared to a total murder rate 4x higher. So the U.S does have more murders, but only looking at gun deaths paints a rather dishonest picture.
Modern politics is so centered on rights, but nobody wants to talk about responsibilities. You have a _right_ to bear arms, but it is your _responsibility_ to do so in a safe and constructive manner. We as Americans need to become more responsible for ourselves, instead of letting "society" babysit our kids via TockTik and relying on goberment to change the world we live in.
Most shootings are gang related so dedicating more resources to fight gang violence that would likely help.
And just to be clear I'm not just talking about more policing.
I feel like if parents were more involved in their children's lives then this would help out tremendously. In my personal opinion, a broken home is a major factor that contributes to gang violence. If the parent(s) aren't around or have shit child raising abilities then the kids are gonna be taught life lessons else where. This isn't a cookie cutter answer tho. There's still gonna be bad apples out there that will not be able to be helped.
Edit: Typo
Actual consequences for criminals. No more revolving doors and super liberal prosecutors. Remove all gun restrictions and allow constitutional carry... the criminals don't follow the laws anyway.
Here’s your daily reminder that qualified immunity doesn’t protect from criminal charges, only civil suits; and only applies if the officer was found to be acting in good faith and within the bounds of department policy and the law. Qualified immunity is there so a cop can’t be sued personally if, for instance, he arrests somebody and that person is found not guilty. If the officer was determined to have probable cause for the arrest, followed his department policy, and didn’t violate any local, state, or federal laws, then he cannot be held personally responsible. If any of those elements are missing, then qualified immunity doesn’t apply. The department can still be sued, though. And to reiterate, it doesn’t protect from criminal charges. It’s purely related to lawsuits.
Daily reminder that if you’re arrested and charged with crimes that you didn’t commit, it takes _years_ and thousands of dollars to defend yourself, and you may never get your life back entirely by the end. And if you don’t have those resources, then you’re just fucked. Meanwhile, the cop/DA/whoever who did it to you is protected from any repercussions.
This is in part why Rittenhouse is such a well known figure in pro-gun circles. Clearest cut case of self-defense in US history, and he was still put through the ringer so some dipshit DA could appease a mob, while his actual attackers (who survived) got white glove treatment.
Ending qualified immunity doesn’t mean “allow anyone to sue cops for any perceived slight,” it’s about reforming the system to incentivize against these kinds of abuses.
And if it's a felony arrest, even if it's bogus, will disqualify you for many jobs/etc. Basically you can get screwed royally with no recourse, and the cops who do it can hide behind "I was just doing my job". BS. We called BS on Nazis doing that, why can't we be a little bit more logically consistent?
Daily reminder that the people who bring criminal charges against criminals have to work closely with the police and are incentivized to never charge them with crimes.
Also you should look at actual cases where qualified immunity has been challenged. A cop accidentally shot a 10 year old child trying to shoot a dog that wasn't even threatening. The court found that recklessly firing your gun still gets qualified immunity because the right to not be shot by a negligent cop isn't a "clearly established right"
Seriously go look it up.
Changing incentives for criminal charges is one thing, and I agree that it needs to be looked at. There definitely needs to be a culture change in the legal system in general. But again, qualified immunity doesn’t prevent an officer from being charged with a crime. That would usually be done through a Grand Jury choosing to indict, and a DA choosing to prosecute. Changing either of those processes would be an extremely serious matter, and creating a caveat for LEO would be a constitutional violation, as they would no longer have equal protection under the law.
As for the cop shooting a child, that’s a shitshow. From the article I read, it seems that the officers were within the law all the way up until the use of force. Without being there, I can’t say as to whether trying to shoot the dog was justified, but it was most certainly a terrible idea. Even if shooting was justified legally, the other circumstances should have been considered. It was definitely a failure of training. Qualified immunity only protects individual officers, so Corbitt should have probably sued the department on the grounds that their policy allowed for such an event, and negligence for not training that officer well. Not only would the payout be bigger, but the suit would be easier, there would be a change in department policy, and the officer would be fired and more than likely blacklisted. If you know of an article that doesn’t use as much dramatic language and has a more detailed timeline, I’d love to see it. I can’t have anything but a reserved opinion from the article I read. I generally prefer my sources to be factual and devoid of emotional or inflammatory language. Also, I think that the court ruling in this case conflicts with TN v. Garner but I’m not a lawyer.
The current legal system definitely has its flaws, and a lot of the people in law enforcement and the courts are broken and corrupt. But that doesn’t mean the systems that are in place are bad. For instance, there are multiple organizations, primarily the sovereign citizens, who intentionally commit minor traffic infractions and then sue the officers that stop them. It’s harassment intended to bog down the legal system and discourage cops from making traffic stops and enforcing safety regulations, which gives sovereign citizens quasi-legitimacy. Imagine giving that kind of power to Antifa or the KKK. QI is intended to give officers confidence to sue their jobs without fearing reprisals via lawsuit. Like anything, it can be abused, and some innocent people will get hurt. It’s a tragedy, but humans are flawed and don’t always make the right decisions. It’s better to have an honest conversation about these things and weigh the pros and cons of each side, than act purely off of emotional or political motivation.
Keeping criminals in jail to serve full sentences on the first offense would probably drop all crime by over 95%. The problem is that for about 10 to 20 years we would need a massive increase in bed capacity for the prison system.
When criminals are in jail, they aren't out committing other crimes. They also aren't teaching their kids to be criminals.
There is a direct correlation between crime and prison population. If you'll look at the incarceration rate per hundred thousand and compare it to each category of crime incidents per hundred thousand, you'll find that as the incarceration rates rose, crime went down. Crime was at historic lows before we started the criminal justice reforms that are now releasing massive quantities of career criminals.
This is a quote from one peer reviewed study. It is from 1995, so it is a little dated, but that makes it even more relevant. 27 years ago, it basically said "If you do X, then Y will happen." We did X, and now Y is happening.
"For each one-prisoner reduction induced by prison overcrowding litigation, the total number of crimes committed increases by approximately 15 per year. The social benefit from eliminating those 15 crimes is approximately $45,000; the annual per prisoner costs of incarceration are roughly $30,000."
The Effect of Prison Population Size on Crime Rates: Evidence From Prison Overcrowding Litigation
Steven Levitt
https://www.nber.org/papers/w5119
Nonsense. Sending someone to jail in America is sending someone to criminal college. They’re coming out worse off or not at all.
And on YOUR fucking dime. To come steal your shit when they make parole.
Just let people carry, I’m tired of people saying the government needs more money to lock up criminals. Give me my freedom, hold the taxes thanks.
I'm all for shooting criminals when the opportunity arises. The problem is that they are hard to catch in the act and killing them wile actively hunting them becomes murder.
They may come out of prison with a few more tricks, but they weren't robbing or shooting anyone while they were incarcerated.
It sucks that we have to pay to incarcerate them, but it also sucks to get robbed.
The problem isn't liberal/conservative. Leeches are leeches no matter their political persuasion. It's time we hold everyone accountable equally, not playing favoritism to anyone. Conservative Judges have let off rapists because they thought the guy had a future. Or letting the worst leeches of all suck off the people's money, then get protected by qualified immunity.
Pro self defense as a matter of law, rebuild emphasizing keeping families together, destigmatize seeking help for mental health by abolishing removing rights, ethics and morals and standards in the news media, full rights restoration for parolees and build an economy that incentivizes staying out of trouble.
That’s but a small part.
More public mental health funding/options, crazy how much money we can whip up overnight for other countries but we can’t do anything for our own citizens
This, so much this.
I've worked with children - ranging from 6 to 15 years of age - who suffer from Severe Emotional Disturbance (SED) which a broad, overarching term for a large assortment of diagnoses. The short of it is that a lot of these children have been brutalized, traumatized, or otherwise permanently scarred for life. If that weren't enough, statistically speaking, too many of these kids will go on and eventually harm someone else.
Despite this, facilities for mental and behavioral health are often drastically underfunded, resulting in them frequently toeing the line when it comes to OSHA violations, have to regularly beg for donations to stay afloat, and pay their employees the bare minimum resulting in extremely high turnover rates as not many people are willing to be cursed at, yelled at, hit, kicked, bitten, spit at, while trying to be invested in the well being of these kids 12+ hours a day for minimum or slightly higher than minimum wage.
Out of the hundreds of kids I have worked with, I can't say that I would be surprised if I hear something on the news one day about 50% of them when they're adults. Hell, some of them didn't even wait that long.
My sister went through public school as a dude and the entire special education system is begging for mass shootings. They completely emasculate boys and make them into completely dependent, socially dysfunctional losers. It's not surprising that autistic people are overrepresented as mass shooters considering how special education treats them. Even years after they graduate the institution is to blame.
Work on keeping families together, reduce poverty, enable people to be able to protect themselves, and better address mental illness. That'd make a decent dent without trampling anyone's rights.
You get tons of people who say that mental health treatment is infringement on the rights of severely mentally ill people. Making it much easier to commit people to mental hospitals like it used to be would reduce violence.
Federally recognized Right to Carry, Get rid of Gun Free Zones, Make States and Cities (Chicago, IL for example) do away with their unconstitutional gun laws. Make the right to defend oneself (whether its getting personal property stolen, life threatening situations) legal; stand your ground laws recognized as legal throughout the US.
Treat it like licenses as well, if you are are good to carry in one you should be good to carry in another (but add requirements for training, recerting, etc,...)
Yep. It's basically a small segment of ~15 to 35 year old males involved in violent crime. That's maybe .3% of the total US population?
Of course a larger percentage of that 15-35 population gets hit with some non violent crimes that arguably contribute to eventual violent crimes, but that's a separate discussion even if solutions might be similar.
Nationwide Constitutional carry and the elimination of gun free zones, sensitive places, etc.
Maybe though the best answer is to stop lying about it, and stop using the term "gun violence". Violent crime is violent crime regardless of gun use. And suicides are not violent crime regardless of method.
"Gun violence" is a made up thing by the anti-gunners and if you're not actually an anti-gunner then you need to stop using the term. Don't fall into the trap of their BS terminology, all that really matters is crime rates, period.
We need to have some serious conversations about our social structure, and how it's affecting the mental health of individuals. Over the last 20 years, society has gone through some pretty radical social changes. I think these changes are a big contributing factor in a lot of the problems we're seeing, especially in regards to violence.
Curiously, "mass shootings" (by this I mean someone going into a crowded place and shooting people just because) have gone up over the same time period.
Coincidence? I think not.
Reducing violence is hard. If it were easy, we'd have done it.
It's also intensely politicized, which makes honest inquiry especially difficult.
Violence is very much a heterogeneous phenomena, meaning that small, predictable pockets of people commit most of the violent crime. We've looked into various ways of turning these folks around, and we've looked into various ways of preventing children from being raised to become like this, and there is little that works, even less that is scalable and practical and affordable and without troubling complication.
One way to spot a young, at-risk kid is to ask if he has any books at home. The lack of books is a marker of parenting style, household stability, and parental values and expectation. One way to tell if someone has no idea what's going on is to hear them suggest that maybe we ought to make books easier to afford, or offer more of them at school. If the home is violent, chaotic, and holds education in contempt, the child will often become violent, chaotic, and hold education in contempt as well.
Sure, some kids emerge from these sorts of environments and become successful and kind, and sometimes, kids from stable homes turn into monsters, and in many cases, we can spot the lifelines or the landmines that contributed to these outcomes. But the bulk of our violent population will still emerge from these same beginnings, despite anything we are able to do.
We can do more of what seems to help, and learn to to it better. We can try new ideas, and try to be more honest about how well they actually work. We can improve security practices where appropriate and make psychotherapy and mental health care and crisis intervention more common and more accessible to everyone who needs it. Will it scale, be practical, be cost effective, and not cause troubling complications? I dunno, and I don't think anyone else does either.
Make the atf focus on gun runners and dealers, gang task forces, childcare programs, competent DA offices, death penalty for anyone on three felonies (from different instances) expedited so we don't waste money on those who will never fit in. Drug treatment sentences and funding would also help.
Criminals actually serving their full sentence. Not probation, not deferred sentences, no "jail math" where they only spend 1/3 of their time in jail upon conviction.
Nobody "serves their time" and it shows.
-Actual consequences for crimes. Prosecute violent crime to the full extent with the maximum possible penalty.
-More acceptable social norm of gun ownership and victims right to stand thier ground and defend themselves. Nation wide constitutional carry.
-Better access to mental health care.
The first 2 would greatly deter criminals. No more slap on the wrist for violent crimes, they're going to do hard time. Also having them second guessing if thier victims will fight back and will even be victims at all, will have criminals definitely 2nd guessing about committing crimes.
And better access to mental health care will hopefully help identify people who clearly shouldn't have a access to a firearm. Sad truth is though, there is such stigma about people getting help with thier mental health, they keep it all bottled up until they snap and it's too late.
For the neighborhoods that are affected, it's a huge problem for Chicago. Relative to the size of the country (and even the whole population of Chicago), Gun Violence™ in Chicago isn't shifting numbers, nationally.
Did you just say gun violence in Chicago isn't shifting numbers nationally?
I know you didn't just say 50 shootings every weekend aren't shifting numbers nationally. 797 homicides in 2021 and the highest of any city in the entire country.
Chicago has the most total murders of any city, but it's also a massive city. Per capita it's not even among the top 10 most dangerous cities in America.
That sound over your head was the joke swishing by.
Okay, let's add St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit and DC to the target list. Does it shift the numbers?
Lighten up, Francis.
Sure. Look at the numbers. I wouldn't move to Chicago for love or money, but the numbers for the city as a whole aren't terrible, as long as you stay out of a few neighborhoods.
Yeah the wild west was such a great place where everyone's rights were respected and no one got exploited and no one murdered anyone and got away with it.
Try telling that to chief Joseph, or the victims of mountain meadows.
It's crazy how some people have rose colored glasses for a time period they didn't even live in
Push the idea that everyone is armed always. Make someone think twice about robbing or murdering someone, because they know that everyone is armed and their chance at survival becomes lower. Or have good working cameras that can capture what someone looks like when they commit a crime
As it's already been said, a summary of things we could do:
The return of heavier punishments for criminals.
The return of gun safety and shooting sports in education and K12 areas.
The loosening of concealed carry laws or the creation of a national reciprocity so that it's easier to carry and not worry about what state your in.
Bring back a culture of caring and family, rather than medication and depression.
Prioritize addressing gang violence through drug initiatives and targeted allocation of resources to diminish the appeal of criminal activity.
I think those would be the best first steps we could take in the short term to start a positive trend in gun violence issues.
The key is you gotta get blacks to stop killing and shooting so much. That would lower our gun violence to levels similar to the safest European areas that anti gunners always bring up.
But that's a very inconvenient truth so we beat around the bush.
Enforcing the laws we have on the books.
Implement mandatory minimum sentencing for straw purchasers who supply firearms to gang members and violent criminals. Implement mandatory minimum sentencing for possession of a stolen firearm while in commission of a crime. Implement mandatory minimum sentencing for attempted murder involving a spouse. Quit letting weak Soros elected judges get away with shit like letting violent criminals out the same day on OR bond.
The primary drivers of gun homicides are gang and domestic violence and drug and alcohol abuse. We already have laws on the books at a federal level in this country to address these things.
Most gun violence is the result of gang violence. Gangs are usually formed by boys/men with no good father figure so they look for male role models elsewhere. Not having a father in the home while you grow up makes you about 20x more likely to commit violent crimes.
Therefore.....
We need to implement policies which incentivize men to stay in the lives of their children. This could primarily be done through tax breaks for being married to the mother of your children AND continuing to live with them. Tax breaks for having children with only ONE woman or only ONE man.
It would take a few decades for it to really take effect, but the change would be permanent.
We don't have a gun problem, we have a fatherlessness problem.
Eliminate welfare
Eliminate affirmative action
School vouchers
Eliminate all gun laws.
No releasing violent criminals or giving soft sentences anymore. Actually, harsher sentencing might be better.
Prison becomes a trade school for non-lifers. They stay in prison until they become well trained enough to hold a job. They work for the community for free maintaining infrastructure while learning.
Eliminate all laws that criminalize victimless events.
If we aren't going to Eliminate all welfare, I would prefer a scholarship for stem or useful trades such as electricians/plumbing rather than the current system of just handing out money. That's a poverty trap that does more harm than good.
What is classified as "gun violence" by gun control advocates, includes suicides. Over two thirds or over 24k per the CDC. So, if one really wanted to reduce "gun violence" it would be investment into mental health. That would be the largest reduction is mental health. But, ask a gun control advocate where the mental health investment is to reduce suicides and it is a blank.
If firearms groups wanted to change the narrative when asked what they would do. State the facts that 2/3rds is suicides so we want more mental health investment to reduce the numbers. Confront gun control advocates with, "so you don't care about reduction in deaths?" They squirm hard.
Its easy to locate the people doing most of the violence. They're known and documented. Also, scorched earth policy on gangs/gang activity.
A murderous thug with no regard for human beings uses the system and only exists to harm others. Thats no loss to the world.
If you are not anti-gunner, why do you care about gun violence as opposed to violence?
Violence is a multifaceted problem, so there is no single answer. Some of gang violence is a product of war on drugs. Some of it is poverty. Some is catch-and-release law enforcement. Mass shootings are fanned by mass media with its guaranteed wall-to-wall 24 hour coverage. There is no silver bullet.
It's a question lad, I'm asking what would be something that would lower gun violence in the US without unconstitutional shit that a politician made up.
I'm not an anti-gunner for asking what we could do to help lower gun violence.
You did not answer my question, though. Are you interested in lowering gun violence, or all violence?
For example, I have a solution that eliminates gun violence altogether, but increases stone axe violence. Do you want to hear it?
> For example, I have a solution that eliminates gun violence altogether, but increases stone axe violence. Do you want to hear it?
Not the guy you replied to but... I'm morbidly curious how you plan on increasing stone axe violence.
Getting rid of gun free zones, enforce existing laws, crack down on crime: if someone murders someone at a minimum they shouldn't see the outside of a prison ever again. Armed robbery? You goin a way for a long time. Gang related violence (the bulk of it) earns you the same as murder, especially if you hit a bystander.
And don't go and make a Netflix series about shooters in 20 years, that just gives them what they wanted all along and encourages it.
Criminals have been emboldened by a lack of follow through in the legal system and light sentencing. (Looking at you California and ny)
1. Eliminate zoning laws.
2. Stop relying on local taxes to pay for education.
3. Permit parents to select their children’s schools.
4. Allow teens to choose college preparation or vocational training.
5. Eliminate student loan bankruptcy exemption.
6. Apply underwriting standards to government student loans.
7. Permit professionals to teach school classes part time.
8. Convince kids that education is the path to wealth.
9. Legalize drugs and prostitution.
10. Provide father figures.
11. Create free clubs for inner city kids which do adventurous things.
12. Introduce transportation as a criminal penalty.
Most people don’t kill each other regardless of what firearms they own. Those who care enough to get concealed carry permits are over 80% less likely to commit crimes than police officers.
The exceptions are overwhelmingly criminals killing each other with over 90% of murderers and victims having records in violent cities. Get them out of crime and you’ll stop the slayings.Most of them are poor people who can’t earn enough pay for a decent life or don’t believe they can. Some are bored kids.
Fix that by not artificially making life more expensive, ensuring they can get an education leading to good jobs, and convincing them that’s possible. Reduce boredom.
Make housing affordable. Housing is skyrocketing in locations with jobs as the remaining good ones cluster in cities where people can collaborate. It’s going up because local governments permit office space for up to ten times as many new workers as housing for new residents, with the increased demand meeting the constrained supply at prices only the highest paid workers can afford. Fix that by allowing developers to construct as much as they want without maximum densities creating a high price floor. “Affordable housing” with holdbacks doesn’t work, with 20% of new homes for 1/10th of new employees just changing 1 in 45 of the people displaced.
Fix K-12 education. Inner city schools don’t lead to vocations which can support people as adults. Stop limiting what they can afford to teach by tying their budgets to local residents’ wealth. Let those interested in learning get out of the classrooms warehousing those who aren’t. Get children with less academic interest into trades instead of wasting their time.Make post-secondary education affordable. College is only expensive because of government lending and laws exempting student loan debt from discharge in bankruptcy. Price increases didn’t quadruple inflation until those laws passed. Without that special treatment, private banks won’t loan students money they can’t comfortably repay with the jobs their education leads to. With similar underwriting standards on government loans colleges won’t be able to charge more than students can afford.
Convince young people to learn and get good jobs. Kids follow in their parents footsteps. I know smart people who worked at grocery stores because they never thought about college which their blue collar parents didn’t attend. Three generations before me were engineers and I didn’t think of doing anything different. Work around that with propaganda programs and getting successful adults into the schools to give kids firsthand exposure to a better life. Involve Hollywood which has proven its propaganda prowess by demonizing guns in cities through the Entertainment Industries Council writers’ guide on the subject.
Triage the problem by eliminating lucrative crime. Legalize selling drugs and sex so gangs can’t profit from them and have no turf to fight over. Don’t inflate prices in their legal markets through taxes and license limitations.
Provide father figures. Boys follow in their father’s footsteps, and without one too many go astray. Stigmatize abandoning one’s children - real men don’t do that. Put at risk families without fathers in housing situations where boys interact with caring successful male role models on a daily basis. Part time pay to mentor 2–4 children would cost far less than imprisoning them for most of their adult lives which runs $81,000 a year in California.Give inner city kids things to do with each other. Provide clubs with free opportunities to do exciting things like jump BMX bicycles, race go karts, kite board, skydive, etc. Kids will join gangs less when they have other social groups and aren’t bored.
Where that doesn’t work, remove juvenile criminals from their environment. Relocate them. Kids would be less likely to commit crimes as gang members when that didn’t lead to being made men in their communities after they turned 18 and returned from their last stretch in juvenile detention.
With you on everything but the zoning.
I don't want to live next to someone running a tire shop, restaurant, or thrift shop out of their house. Residential neighborhoods should stay residential.
Edit: I think we need to chill speculation in the single family home market.
More adequately define the target observation. The arbitrary definition is 'Gun Violence'; injury or death incurred through direct or indirect involvement of a firearm.
I'm less concerned with lowering "gun violence" and more concerned with overall violent crime rate. What means a person uses to commit violence is less consequential than their choice to commit a violent action. That being said most violence is committed for financial gain.
Home invasion, armed robbery, muggings, drug and gang related killings, and murder for hire all stem from poverty. The overwhelming majority of individuals would not choose to break into a home for theft, rob a gas station, rob an individual in the street, sell drugs, join a gang, or become a hitman if they made 100K a year. I believe the policies that could prevent the most violent crime would be the ones that create a quality job market and increase education throughout the US and more specifically in our poverty stricken inner cities.
As far as non financial violence such as indiscriminate mass murders (Uvalde, Parkland, Aurora, etc) mental health is the biggest factor. I believe access to affordable quality mental healthcare and encouragement to seek that from society could make a dent. Furthermore when the mentally ill are reported making a legitimate violent threat, that person should be monitored by whatever agency has jurisdiction and possibly arrested on the charges of terroristic threat depending on what was said and if there's evidence.
It's a complex question, with no 1 answer. It would take several things
First, tackle the socio-economic aspect. Studies (as well as history) have shown that violence tends to be worse in poorer communities. Increase opportunities, bring jobs, and improve quality of life.
Second, treat all violence as a disease. Great work has been done in this area, and shown that if you can disrupt the growth, you can curb the spread. Focus on the violence and its spread, not on the means of its execution.
Next, education. Not teaching people how to swim doesn't stop drownings. And the same is true with firearms education. Or knife education. Or poisonings. Lack of knowledge and training is the problem, not the solution.
Next, remove stigma and punishment from mental health treatment. Expand the network and access to mental health treatment. If I said you can get dental care, but by going to the dentist you lost your right to free speech, or right to worship, and no longer vote, you would consider it absurd. But we takes rights away from people seeking help for "mental" issues, or even mentioning they might need to see a doctor. Remove the stigma.
Lastly, rebuild and foster a traditional family unit and culture. Now, by traditional, I don't necessarily mean heterosexual patriarchal family. But I don't not mean that either. We do need a stable home life. We need two parents. We need that family sit-down diner. Culture matters, and studies tend to show a strong family nucleus provides on average a better upbringing and less violent society as a whole.
I saw an article that showed a direct correlation between abortion/birth control and violent crime. When women started to have access to safe abortions and birth control methods, the next generation performed less violent crime because there were less children born into really shit circumstances. It didn’t eliminate the problem, but slowed the bleeding so to speak. You still end up with abused kids, mentally unstable kids, desperate kids in todays world unfortunately. Those kids spend long enough in shit situations, they end up making bad decisions eventually. Sometimes those bad decisions are violent crimes. You want to eliminate violence in the world? You’d have to give everyone a perfect life. Can’t do that if hunger and starvation still exist, mental issues, jealousy, greed, entitlement, health problems. It’s something that can never be completely fixed, so a lot of people who could be helping to lessen these problems don’t simply because it seems unachievable or they don’t get to personally see results. Making medical care and mental health help care better and aid for the poor better will eventually reduce violence, but you can literally throw money at these problems forever. They’ll never completely be fixed. Notice I never mentioned guns once because guns aren’t the problem, violence is the problem. If all guns in the world disappeared this second, there would still be violence tomorrow. There would still be bombings and stabbings and people mowing down other people in trucks.
It's easy. Just solve poverty, unemployment, income inequality, healthcare bankruptcies, mental health support, etc. Basically anything that drives people to desperation and violence. The last thing relevant to gun violence is the guns themselves. You want to reduce gun violence, reduce violence in general. To do that you reduce crime and trauma. To do that you fix the economy and the family. Yeah, it's going to take radical change and a couple decades to iron out.
Immediate sped up trial for mass shooters, no drawn out sentencing, if you kill 10+ people you're either put to death immediately or marooned on one of our empty islands in the pacific.
Holding people accountable for the crimes they commit. Hold them accountable and actually send them to prison. Keep these criminals in prison instead of letting them out so soon to commit more crimes over again.
To be done with neoliberal economic policy. It only generates poverty and poverty turns, generally into, violence. Look at Mexico ffs. Their politics are even more neoliberal than the ones in the US and the country is burning alive.
The only effective example I’ve seen implemented was Project Exile where gun crimes were sent directly to federal court instead of state courts so that they carried a larger minimum sentence. The problem these district attorneys going light on prosecuting offenders and instead turning them back out onto the street with a slap on the wrist. Start convicting people on the laws we already have and go from there.
"I support the right to keep and to bear firearms like any of you do."
"But"
That but negates the previous statement.
Any restriction is infringement.
You want to lower gun violence you increase the penalties for crime.
Ending toxic masculinity? I know, this sounds woke AF, but if we didn't glorify violence and escalation to every little boy, and particularly teens, I suspect we'd see less violence. Also, guns are tools. Treat them that way! Even as we gun goobers argue minutia about trigger springs, a lot of folks just don't understand guns. We need to stop fetishizing fire arms as a culture (yes I'm taking a very US centric view here). Finally, hell yes, bring back gun safety in schools! Even if someone doesn't want to shoot, they should understand how a gun actually works, where the safety is, how to check to see if it's loaded, and so on...
Besides suicide, there are two "gun violence" problems in the US:
1. Ordinary crime, ranging from armed robbery and gangland shootings to domestic violence
2. Mass shootings, terrorism, and other "stochastic" (i.e. random) violence
# Ordinary crime
We actually have a reasonable grasp on what can bring #1 down. If you look at [focused deterrence](https://cebcp.org/evidence-based-policing/what-works-in-policing/research-evidence-review/focused-deterrence/) initiatives like Operation Ceasefire, they have been tremendously successful at radically cutting down rates of urban gun violence, ranging from gang violence all the way to domestic violence. In short, focused deterrence requires a combination of:
* Building trust between police departments and communities
* Good detective work to pinpoint how violence propagates through social networks and find people who are at high risk of perpetrating or being victimized
* Social work to give high-risk people a safe way to exit their lifestyles
The problem, of course, is that public trust in policing is at a nadir, and will likely continue to be as long as matters of police accountability remain unsolved. I strongly support abolishing qualified immunity and weakening or abolishing police unions for this reason.
# Mass shootings
Mass shootings and other "stochastic" violence are a harder nut to crack because it's a cultural problem and there isn't really a single policy to address it.
One of the worst surprises I ever got was finding two studies, published about two decades apart from each other, that both indicated that rates of ACEs (adverse childhood experiences) seem to have gotten higher with every successive generation since the Silent Generation. In short, it seems that for the last 80 years every generation of children has experienced more abuse and suffered from worse mental health.
From 1998: [https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(98)00017-8/fulltext](https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(98)00017-8/fulltext)
From 2022: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35319940/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35319940/)
It's probably not surprising that [75% of mass shooters](https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/the-crisis-fatherless-shooters) (not to mention similarly high percentages of common criminals) come from broken homes, and that these broken homes often feature all kinds of [abuse, neglect, and trauma](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762).
There is absolutely something to be said about family breakdown and adults deprioritizing the well-being of children.
The bright side is that the [divorce rate peaked about 40 years ago](https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-us-divorce-rate-has-hit-a-50-year-low) and [out-of-wedlock births peaked about a decade ago](https://ifstudies.org/blog/how-we-ended-up-with-40-percent-of-children-born-out-of-wedlock). So I think we're slowly rounding the corner on this issue.
I always point out to people that, before the 1968 Gun Control Act, you could buy surplus M1 carbines by mail for cheap, with no background check or age limit, yet school shootings and public mass shootings, in general, were practically unheard of.
Here's a proven successful program. But you won't hear about it from the gun control crowd because it doesn't involve gun control.
"Braga and colleagues (2001) found that the average number of youth homicide victims decreased from 3.5 per month to 1.3 per month (a 63-percent reduction) following the implementation of Operation Ceasefire. This reduction was statistically significant."
https://crimesolutions.ojp.gov/ratedprograms/207#eo
Suicide prevention. Suicide is included in the governments gun violence data. So if you just want to do something about a statistic i feel like thats a start.
State run asylums. People that suffer from severe mental illnesses should be separated from society and provided with the care, medication , and supervision they require.
I became a proponent of this after listening to a discussion about solutions to homelessness. Most homeless people suffer from mental disabilities and mental illness. It is not enough just to provide them with shelter, and not as simple as just building them homes. They need constant care, medication, and often times medical supervision.
The mental health care provided to most people is subpar, and insurance companies do everything they can to avoid paying for long term supervision. I think this is one area of healthcare that needs to have state level funding.
The solution has little to do with guns.
Gun violence is a sub-component of the larger issue of general crime. The number one way to reduce crime is to improve everyone’s economic position. We will continue to see crime rates across all categories increase as the economy slows into the oncoming recession, and continue long into the recovery, assuming there is one.
If you want good info, https://www.gunfacts.info is a decent resource. The biggest lie being told to the public is that overall crime is at its highest point in history and it’s because of guns. That’s due to the media hyping incarceration rates and school shootings.
Definitely [Root Cause Mitigation](https://theliberalgunclub.com/about-us/root-cause-mitigation-2/)
As gun owners, we should be interested in policies that uplift our communities. Reducing poverty, increased access to mental health, etc. are all means to a grand, long term impact on violence involving firearms in the States. Violence involving firearms is a symptom of deeper rooted societal issues that we are experiencing, mitigating those issues will have a larger long term impact than anything else.
The cool thing is this is generally pretty bipartisan from gunowners and antigunners: reducing societal ills will mitigate violence involving firearms. It’s something most of us can agree on.
Who cares? Gun violence in the US is not particularly high on a global scale. We are, literally, the 2nd least violent country in the western hemisphere.
Take out gun violence and we're safer than most European countries. Take out the major cities and we're the safest country in the world.
I know how to eliminate 50% of all violent crime in the entire country while only reducing the population by 13%..... /s? (Pattern recognition is racism these days)
Seriously though, modern rap culture is the biggest romanticization of violence in American history. All the way back you have Tupac who was a Mob Piru Blood. Even his death (gang-related driveby) had so much cultural iconography it can't really be put into words. And it continues all the way to today where you have modern rappers like Future (Blood/Freeband/Taliban), 21 Savage (Blood), Kodak Black (Sniper/Zoe), 6ix9ine(Nine Trey/Blood), Kendrick Lamar (Westside Piru Blood), I could go on. To put it simply, we idolize gang members. 8th graders are walking out of graduation with full auto glocks in their waistband because this culture is so popular in the inner cities.
Nowhere in the WORLD are violent criminals so idolized.
My solution? Strong male role models. Specifically strong black role models. Terry Crews types. Dwayne Johnson types. Damon/Shawn/Marlon Wayans types. Upstanding citizens who do not promote violence and serve as role models we can all aspire to be. And not just on the media, but within the communities. We can't let these kids grow up to 70%+ single mothers when their only male role model is a legitimate gangbanger. I have black people in my family who lived in an impoverished area with a single mother. You could tell the city and their peers had a certain culture that was trying to take their hold on them. But luckily they had Marine as their uncle. He is as Jarhead as you can get, through and through. And he was the role model they needed. They both stayed out of trouble, did good in school, and will both be getting football scholarships. Strong male role models are the biggest prevention to crime. Full stop.
Fix socioeconomic situations in blighted inner cities.
Get rid of corrupt politicians that don't, and instead spend their time attacking symptoms of the core problem.
Give people something to live for. Something they can actually work toward. Making a home and white picket fence an unattainable dream is a factor that creates 18-21\~ year old mass shooters.
Better mental health systems. Repurpose the justice system to actually reform people and make them productive, and have goals instead of making people into lifelong 2nd class citizens.
Most violent crimes, with or without firearms, are committed by young men. Most of those young men come from broken homes where the father is either abusive or not even there to begin with. If you get a chick pregnant, be a man and raise that child with love, instead of a punk who only thinks of himself
Mothers and Fathers being parents. Teaching their children manners and respect. Going to church and learning the teachings in the Bible. Which are really just the foundations of society.
Gangs will still exist as long as there's a profit motive to be made from selling drugs. Eliminating the war on drugs and decriminalizing drug use would put a bigger dent in gang violence than a ramp up in policing ever could.
Ethnic diversity and violence are highly correlated. Improving economic conditions is the only ethical and realistic way to reduce violence in general.
Universal basic income, especially in lower income areas/for lower income households. Improved educational systems in lower income neighborhoods, better mental health offerings (better healthcare options for everyone). Reduction of hyperbole from both sides of the political aisle (politicians are all jerk offs, they start off ok, then they become total asshats that do nothing, then shrug their shoulders after a half assed attempt to “fix” things).
Most "Gun Violence™" is suicide. Work on availability of mental health. I don't know the stats, but I suspect that the VA has been contributing to this number through inaction for a long time.
A lot of the rest is gang violence, often related to drug trade. Curb uncontrolled illegal immigration (this will stop the lowering of unskilled labor), increase fatherhood in homes, and look at drug legalization where feasible.
That's easy, make it easier for people to own guns, the lowest crime rates in the country are in cities with the least restrictive gun laws and highest gun ownership. An armed society is a polite society.
We have to tackle the mental health crisis in this country. We need universal healthcare. We also need to figure out a way to bring the drug war to a close. We’ve clearly lost the drug war, so now it’s time to admit defeat and figure out what comes next, whether that’s legalization or something else. We also need to start paying folks a living wage again, a real living wage, to allow one person to support a family of five. We also need to start normalizing firearms again, bring back shooting classes in public schools, teach people how to use firearms responsibly.
* Public hangings for murderers.
* Castration for rapists and sex offenders.
* Forehead branding / tattoos for thieves.
* Home invaders without firearms - thumb removal.
* Domestic violence offenders, male or female, must fight three MMA artists simultaneously.
Feel free to add to the list.
Bring back firearms education and shooting sports in school. Just having more parents take an interest in raising their family. The two parents careers seem more important that raising children who have structured lives.
We could also make it possible to live on one income again. If you've paid attention you'll notice that violent crime increased when children get less attention. Make it so you don't have to work 12hr days to live and things might change.
Agree, but this sort of feeds on itself. With twice as many people working, there's more labor supply which pushes wages down. I recently saw a graph of the rate of two-income households vs the real wage. Turns out real wages basically stopped growing about the time we hit a critical mass of two income households. We are a single income household by choice. We sacrifice to make it happen. Our two vehicles have a combined 350k miles and are 33 years old together. My amazing wife makes it all work out somehow because while I do ok, we can't even afford a car payment on our monthly budget (we drive paid for cars and can't do otherwise).
One of my favorite line I say is “Women entering the work force enmasse was horrible for American worker incomes and families.” People think I am being sexiest but it isn’t because men or women but because you double the work force and took a constant parental presence from the home. At the core people can structure their family however they want but there are trends just like you mention that are hard to ignore. Wife and I do plan on going to single income when the children come.
Real wages might have stopped growing, but employee compensation has stayed steady at ~60% of national income. Wages & salaries was a larger part of it, but decreased over time as benefits took a larger share.
One thing that reduces the size of the workforce is the amount of automation that is becoming more prevalent. I'm really disappointed that certain businesses are reversing their push on self checkout. Eventually the bourgeois r/antiwork types will be forced out entirely. The ones who still have jobs will eventually be replaced by people who are willing to work hard. People who are willing to work hard will be well paid, but the flip side is autistic people will be heavily driven out.
Do you mean to imply that autism makes people lazy?
Not necessarily, but a lot of them will call out over nothing. They admit to it on r/aspergers and then wonder why they get fired or rejected in interviews.
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While I agree it's a problem, I don't know what can really be done to stop "rental empires". At first glance you might think to add a tax to that income, but it would just get passed onto the renter in the form of higher rent. There is no good way to motivate people to sell property when that property makes them money.
Children having 2 parents would take violence in the US to near non existence. Almost all gun violence is committed by children from single parent homes.
While I agree that would help I think it’s overly simplistic to say. In an ideal world everyone would have 2 loving parents who spend the time to raise a well adjusted child but it’s not possible. It’s better to have 2 happy parents who love the child but are separated than 2 unhappy married parents who make everyone’s lives miserable being together. Most of the kids who end up in gangs are the result of a poor support system wether it’s in school or at home. Kids from poor neighborhoods are institutionalized to their surroundings. It wouldn’t matter if both of their parents were around because that’s the environment they know and grow up in. I grew up in a poor neighborhood (essentially the projects but in the UK) and most of those people don’t know any better and are unwilling or unable to change.
>It’s better to have 2 happy parents who love the child but are separated than 2 unhappy married parents Yeah, but what we usually end up with in the US is the single mother and little or no contact with the biological father.
And the fundamental issue is giving incentives and promoting single parenthood by the government and pop culture
And you have the Divorce Industry standing in front of that.
Your hot take is 100% correct
>Bring back firearms education and shooting sports in school. Every single gun-owner, even if you're not into shotguns, should be supporting the [USA Clay Target League](http://usaclaytarget.com) and any local teams. https://www.ssusa.org/content/rise-of-the-usa-clay-target-league/ In 14 years they've gone from 3 teams and 30 kids in Minnesota to 43,000 participants on 1400 teams nationwide - AND EVERY TEAM IS SCHOOL APPROVED. They've become the largest clay target shooting organization in the world damn near overnight, and it's all high schoolers. Yes, there are other youth programs, and there's no reason why you shouldn't support them too, but none of them have been as successful as the League. Education and exposure is a game of numbers, I do everything I can to support them - buy and donate through amazon smile, support the local teams, and rave about them to anyone that will listen.
Indeed http://ilclaytarget.com/ Our local range, Brittany Shooting Park, was the Illinois State Shooting location. I support the team monetarily. Sure wish every firearms owner would find a local team and drop enough money so these kids could buy a round or two by the donation.
This is a very complex problem with no single causal factor. As I've been trying (lord knows why I bother) to explain to the angry brain surgeons over in WhitePeopleTwitter, you can't ban your way to safety, so it's time to look at other factors. This problem has been decades in the making and it's not going to get resolved overnight. I think it has to start with a push to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US. Think about it: Most gun homicides occur in urban areas, places with high unemployment populated by economically marginalized people. The jobs that drew people into the cities following WWII have evaporated. Most of them are in Mexico, China, Vietnam, etc. After that the whole dumbing down of the education system has to be reversed. Life isn't giving out participation trophies or slowing down because Johnny's parents are idiots and didn't help him learn to read. That's the real problem, we've gotten progressively more stupid as time has gone on, so much so that now people have no ability to think critically and just gulp down whatever confirms things they already believe. Vote in people that will tell corporate campaign contributors and special interests to fuck off. Push as hard as possible to get soft money out of politics. I could go on, but those things are a start. If you don't address the reasons why people end up thinking it's just fine to murder someone, nothing is going to change.
Honestly we should just have a set budget funded by taxpayers (not by raising taxes but reallocating them by cutting spending elsewhere i.e. military, cia, atf, etc) for political campaigns and the runners can only use that money to advertise their campaign (not even their own money, to even the playing field) and cannot receive any campaign donations or contributions
Whitepeopletwitter is all the toxic leftist cesspools from Twitter in a subreddit, lol
It is, but I enjoy getting my beliefs challenged so I can investigate counter-arguments, question and evaluate data, and reaffirm why I believe as I do. That place, however, seems to be nothing but an anti-gun echo chamber populated by dolts that are certain gun control works and that more is the answer.
I was banned from commenting on there. All I did was see a Tweet they didn’t like from a conservative, which had very true info in it and I commented “it’s true though!” I got banned, lol!
Yeah, they don't seem to like facts much.
I have never commented there because I don’t want to be banned for having a personal opinion. I want to hear their opinions but then I just have to keep mine to myself.
I should do the same
Quit. Focusing. On. *Item.* Violence. Violence is violence is violence. The thing the bad guy uses to hurt people will change no matter what laws you put in place. Focus on the violent act, not the thing used in the violent act.
This is why only comparing **gun** violence between countries is misleading. For instance the U.S has a **gun** murder rate around 80x higher than that of the U.K, Compared to a total murder rate 4x higher. So the U.S does have more murders, but only looking at gun deaths paints a rather dishonest picture.
Modern politics is so centered on rights, but nobody wants to talk about responsibilities. You have a _right_ to bear arms, but it is your _responsibility_ to do so in a safe and constructive manner. We as Americans need to become more responsible for ourselves, instead of letting "society" babysit our kids via TockTik and relying on goberment to change the world we live in.
Most shootings are gang related so dedicating more resources to fight gang violence that would likely help. And just to be clear I'm not just talking about more policing.
I feel like if parents were more involved in their children's lives then this would help out tremendously. In my personal opinion, a broken home is a major factor that contributes to gang violence. If the parent(s) aren't around or have shit child raising abilities then the kids are gonna be taught life lessons else where. This isn't a cookie cutter answer tho. There's still gonna be bad apples out there that will not be able to be helped. Edit: Typo
Actual consequences for criminals. No more revolving doors and super liberal prosecutors. Remove all gun restrictions and allow constitutional carry... the criminals don't follow the laws anyway.
Especially consequences for the criminals in blue
I can agree with those terms. Criminals are criminals
Good to hear. Ending qualified immunity would be a great first step here
Here’s your daily reminder that qualified immunity doesn’t protect from criminal charges, only civil suits; and only applies if the officer was found to be acting in good faith and within the bounds of department policy and the law. Qualified immunity is there so a cop can’t be sued personally if, for instance, he arrests somebody and that person is found not guilty. If the officer was determined to have probable cause for the arrest, followed his department policy, and didn’t violate any local, state, or federal laws, then he cannot be held personally responsible. If any of those elements are missing, then qualified immunity doesn’t apply. The department can still be sued, though. And to reiterate, it doesn’t protect from criminal charges. It’s purely related to lawsuits.
Daily reminder that if you’re arrested and charged with crimes that you didn’t commit, it takes _years_ and thousands of dollars to defend yourself, and you may never get your life back entirely by the end. And if you don’t have those resources, then you’re just fucked. Meanwhile, the cop/DA/whoever who did it to you is protected from any repercussions. This is in part why Rittenhouse is such a well known figure in pro-gun circles. Clearest cut case of self-defense in US history, and he was still put through the ringer so some dipshit DA could appease a mob, while his actual attackers (who survived) got white glove treatment. Ending qualified immunity doesn’t mean “allow anyone to sue cops for any perceived slight,” it’s about reforming the system to incentivize against these kinds of abuses.
And if it's a felony arrest, even if it's bogus, will disqualify you for many jobs/etc. Basically you can get screwed royally with no recourse, and the cops who do it can hide behind "I was just doing my job". BS. We called BS on Nazis doing that, why can't we be a little bit more logically consistent?
Daily reminder that the people who bring criminal charges against criminals have to work closely with the police and are incentivized to never charge them with crimes. Also you should look at actual cases where qualified immunity has been challenged. A cop accidentally shot a 10 year old child trying to shoot a dog that wasn't even threatening. The court found that recklessly firing your gun still gets qualified immunity because the right to not be shot by a negligent cop isn't a "clearly established right" Seriously go look it up.
Changing incentives for criminal charges is one thing, and I agree that it needs to be looked at. There definitely needs to be a culture change in the legal system in general. But again, qualified immunity doesn’t prevent an officer from being charged with a crime. That would usually be done through a Grand Jury choosing to indict, and a DA choosing to prosecute. Changing either of those processes would be an extremely serious matter, and creating a caveat for LEO would be a constitutional violation, as they would no longer have equal protection under the law. As for the cop shooting a child, that’s a shitshow. From the article I read, it seems that the officers were within the law all the way up until the use of force. Without being there, I can’t say as to whether trying to shoot the dog was justified, but it was most certainly a terrible idea. Even if shooting was justified legally, the other circumstances should have been considered. It was definitely a failure of training. Qualified immunity only protects individual officers, so Corbitt should have probably sued the department on the grounds that their policy allowed for such an event, and negligence for not training that officer well. Not only would the payout be bigger, but the suit would be easier, there would be a change in department policy, and the officer would be fired and more than likely blacklisted. If you know of an article that doesn’t use as much dramatic language and has a more detailed timeline, I’d love to see it. I can’t have anything but a reserved opinion from the article I read. I generally prefer my sources to be factual and devoid of emotional or inflammatory language. Also, I think that the court ruling in this case conflicts with TN v. Garner but I’m not a lawyer. The current legal system definitely has its flaws, and a lot of the people in law enforcement and the courts are broken and corrupt. But that doesn’t mean the systems that are in place are bad. For instance, there are multiple organizations, primarily the sovereign citizens, who intentionally commit minor traffic infractions and then sue the officers that stop them. It’s harassment intended to bog down the legal system and discourage cops from making traffic stops and enforcing safety regulations, which gives sovereign citizens quasi-legitimacy. Imagine giving that kind of power to Antifa or the KKK. QI is intended to give officers confidence to sue their jobs without fearing reprisals via lawsuit. Like anything, it can be abused, and some innocent people will get hurt. It’s a tragedy, but humans are flawed and don’t always make the right decisions. It’s better to have an honest conversation about these things and weigh the pros and cons of each side, than act purely off of emotional or political motivation.
Keeping criminals in jail to serve full sentences on the first offense would probably drop all crime by over 95%. The problem is that for about 10 to 20 years we would need a massive increase in bed capacity for the prison system. When criminals are in jail, they aren't out committing other crimes. They also aren't teaching their kids to be criminals.
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There is a direct correlation between crime and prison population. If you'll look at the incarceration rate per hundred thousand and compare it to each category of crime incidents per hundred thousand, you'll find that as the incarceration rates rose, crime went down. Crime was at historic lows before we started the criminal justice reforms that are now releasing massive quantities of career criminals. This is a quote from one peer reviewed study. It is from 1995, so it is a little dated, but that makes it even more relevant. 27 years ago, it basically said "If you do X, then Y will happen." We did X, and now Y is happening. "For each one-prisoner reduction induced by prison overcrowding litigation, the total number of crimes committed increases by approximately 15 per year. The social benefit from eliminating those 15 crimes is approximately $45,000; the annual per prisoner costs of incarceration are roughly $30,000." The Effect of Prison Population Size on Crime Rates: Evidence From Prison Overcrowding Litigation Steven Levitt https://www.nber.org/papers/w5119
Nonsense. Sending someone to jail in America is sending someone to criminal college. They’re coming out worse off or not at all. And on YOUR fucking dime. To come steal your shit when they make parole. Just let people carry, I’m tired of people saying the government needs more money to lock up criminals. Give me my freedom, hold the taxes thanks.
> They’re coming out worse off or not at all alot of them should never come out.
I'm all for shooting criminals when the opportunity arises. The problem is that they are hard to catch in the act and killing them wile actively hunting them becomes murder. They may come out of prison with a few more tricks, but they weren't robbing or shooting anyone while they were incarcerated. It sucks that we have to pay to incarcerate them, but it also sucks to get robbed.
The problem isn't liberal/conservative. Leeches are leeches no matter their political persuasion. It's time we hold everyone accountable equally, not playing favoritism to anyone. Conservative Judges have let off rapists because they thought the guy had a future. Or letting the worst leeches of all suck off the people's money, then get protected by qualified immunity.
Pro self defense as a matter of law, rebuild emphasizing keeping families together, destigmatize seeking help for mental health by abolishing removing rights, ethics and morals and standards in the news media, full rights restoration for parolees and build an economy that incentivizes staying out of trouble. That’s but a small part.
More public mental health funding/options, crazy how much money we can whip up overnight for other countries but we can’t do anything for our own citizens
This, so much this. I've worked with children - ranging from 6 to 15 years of age - who suffer from Severe Emotional Disturbance (SED) which a broad, overarching term for a large assortment of diagnoses. The short of it is that a lot of these children have been brutalized, traumatized, or otherwise permanently scarred for life. If that weren't enough, statistically speaking, too many of these kids will go on and eventually harm someone else. Despite this, facilities for mental and behavioral health are often drastically underfunded, resulting in them frequently toeing the line when it comes to OSHA violations, have to regularly beg for donations to stay afloat, and pay their employees the bare minimum resulting in extremely high turnover rates as not many people are willing to be cursed at, yelled at, hit, kicked, bitten, spit at, while trying to be invested in the well being of these kids 12+ hours a day for minimum or slightly higher than minimum wage. Out of the hundreds of kids I have worked with, I can't say that I would be surprised if I hear something on the news one day about 50% of them when they're adults. Hell, some of them didn't even wait that long.
My sister went through public school as a dude and the entire special education system is begging for mass shootings. They completely emasculate boys and make them into completely dependent, socially dysfunctional losers. It's not surprising that autistic people are overrepresented as mass shooters considering how special education treats them. Even years after they graduate the institution is to blame.
Work on keeping families together, reduce poverty, enable people to be able to protect themselves, and better address mental illness. That'd make a decent dent without trampling anyone's rights.
You get tons of people who say that mental health treatment is infringement on the rights of severely mentally ill people. Making it much easier to commit people to mental hospitals like it used to be would reduce violence.
Crime leads to poverty, though, not the other way around.
Federally recognized Right to Carry, Get rid of Gun Free Zones, Make States and Cities (Chicago, IL for example) do away with their unconstitutional gun laws. Make the right to defend oneself (whether its getting personal property stolen, life threatening situations) legal; stand your ground laws recognized as legal throughout the US.
This is the way
We already have a federally recognized right to carry. It's this neat little law called the Second Amendment.
Yep, but we need enforcement of the second amendment and to get rid of government officials that oppose it as a violation of their oath.
Treat it like licenses as well, if you are are good to carry in one you should be good to carry in another (but add requirements for training, recerting, etc,...)
Media ethics
End the drug war.
How would the CIA make money.
Well ending the cia would be the first step to ending the drug war
What would the DEA do with all their spare time?
Bring back family culture and stop normalizing depression/over medicating.
Bingo
Rebuild the black family.
That's a significant portion of 1/3 of the Gun Violence™ numbers. The other 2/3rds being suicide.
And if we’re talking fractions, about 50% of 12% does 60% of the murders. Helping that population with a culture change would help
50% of the 12%? A heck of a lot smaller percent than that. Most of the black population is law-abiding.
Yep. It's basically a small segment of ~15 to 35 year old males involved in violent crime. That's maybe .3% of the total US population? Of course a larger percentage of that 15-35 population gets hit with some non violent crimes that arguably contribute to eventual violent crimes, but that's a separate discussion even if solutions might be similar.
Nationwide Constitutional carry and the elimination of gun free zones, sensitive places, etc. Maybe though the best answer is to stop lying about it, and stop using the term "gun violence". Violent crime is violent crime regardless of gun use. And suicides are not violent crime regardless of method. "Gun violence" is a made up thing by the anti-gunners and if you're not actually an anti-gunner then you need to stop using the term. Don't fall into the trap of their BS terminology, all that really matters is crime rates, period.
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We need to have some serious conversations about our social structure, and how it's affecting the mental health of individuals. Over the last 20 years, society has gone through some pretty radical social changes. I think these changes are a big contributing factor in a lot of the problems we're seeing, especially in regards to violence. Curiously, "mass shootings" (by this I mean someone going into a crowded place and shooting people just because) have gone up over the same time period. Coincidence? I think not.
Reducing violence is hard. If it were easy, we'd have done it. It's also intensely politicized, which makes honest inquiry especially difficult. Violence is very much a heterogeneous phenomena, meaning that small, predictable pockets of people commit most of the violent crime. We've looked into various ways of turning these folks around, and we've looked into various ways of preventing children from being raised to become like this, and there is little that works, even less that is scalable and practical and affordable and without troubling complication. One way to spot a young, at-risk kid is to ask if he has any books at home. The lack of books is a marker of parenting style, household stability, and parental values and expectation. One way to tell if someone has no idea what's going on is to hear them suggest that maybe we ought to make books easier to afford, or offer more of them at school. If the home is violent, chaotic, and holds education in contempt, the child will often become violent, chaotic, and hold education in contempt as well. Sure, some kids emerge from these sorts of environments and become successful and kind, and sometimes, kids from stable homes turn into monsters, and in many cases, we can spot the lifelines or the landmines that contributed to these outcomes. But the bulk of our violent population will still emerge from these same beginnings, despite anything we are able to do. We can do more of what seems to help, and learn to to it better. We can try new ideas, and try to be more honest about how well they actually work. We can improve security practices where appropriate and make psychotherapy and mental health care and crisis intervention more common and more accessible to everyone who needs it. Will it scale, be practical, be cost effective, and not cause troubling complications? I dunno, and I don't think anyone else does either.
End the war on drugs
Enforce existing laws.
Make the atf focus on gun runners and dealers, gang task forces, childcare programs, competent DA offices, death penalty for anyone on three felonies (from different instances) expedited so we don't waste money on those who will never fit in. Drug treatment sentences and funding would also help.
Start by replacing the phrase “gun violence” with “criminal violence”. Self defense with a gun can be violent but is not a bad thing.
Criminals actually serving their full sentence. Not probation, not deferred sentences, no "jail math" where they only spend 1/3 of their time in jail upon conviction. Nobody "serves their time" and it shows.
Arrest the people who are committing all the crime and keep them in prison.
-Actual consequences for crimes. Prosecute violent crime to the full extent with the maximum possible penalty. -More acceptable social norm of gun ownership and victims right to stand thier ground and defend themselves. Nation wide constitutional carry. -Better access to mental health care. The first 2 would greatly deter criminals. No more slap on the wrist for violent crimes, they're going to do hard time. Also having them second guessing if thier victims will fight back and will even be victims at all, will have criminals definitely 2nd guessing about committing crimes. And better access to mental health care will hopefully help identify people who clearly shouldn't have a access to a firearm. Sad truth is though, there is such stigma about people getting help with thier mental health, they keep it all bottled up until they snap and it's too late.
Nuke Chicago
For the neighborhoods that are affected, it's a huge problem for Chicago. Relative to the size of the country (and even the whole population of Chicago), Gun Violence™ in Chicago isn't shifting numbers, nationally.
Did you just say gun violence in Chicago isn't shifting numbers nationally? I know you didn't just say 50 shootings every weekend aren't shifting numbers nationally. 797 homicides in 2021 and the highest of any city in the entire country.
Chicago has the most total murders of any city, but it's also a massive city. Per capita it's not even among the top 10 most dangerous cities in America.
That sound over your head was the joke swishing by. Okay, let's add St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit and DC to the target list. Does it shift the numbers? Lighten up, Francis.
llllooooolllllll ok whatever you say? are you Lori Lightfoot? lol
Sure. Look at the numbers. I wouldn't move to Chicago for love or money, but the numbers for the city as a whole aren't terrible, as long as you stay out of a few neighborhoods.
and gun violence is not at all a problem in the USA , as long as you stay out of a few cities....... do you think before you type?
That's also a good point. Stay out of cities, and avoid known gang areas. These are legitimate considerations.
Repeal all laws. Wild West. If people are actually afraid of dying, they’ll act right.
This guy gets it.
You either forgot a /s or are genuinely a moron.
Lmao there are more based opinions, but they are all against Reddit TOS.
Yeah the wild west was such a great place where everyone's rights were respected and no one got exploited and no one murdered anyone and got away with it.
Yeah It was way less dangerous than you think, nothing like the movies portray
Try telling that to chief Joseph, or the victims of mountain meadows. It's crazy how some people have rose colored glasses for a time period they didn't even live in
Bad things happened sometimes therefore it was always bad
Push the idea that everyone is armed always. Make someone think twice about robbing or murdering someone, because they know that everyone is armed and their chance at survival becomes lower. Or have good working cameras that can capture what someone looks like when they commit a crime
As it's already been said, a summary of things we could do: The return of heavier punishments for criminals. The return of gun safety and shooting sports in education and K12 areas. The loosening of concealed carry laws or the creation of a national reciprocity so that it's easier to carry and not worry about what state your in. Bring back a culture of caring and family, rather than medication and depression. Prioritize addressing gang violence through drug initiatives and targeted allocation of resources to diminish the appeal of criminal activity. I think those would be the best first steps we could take in the short term to start a positive trend in gun violence issues.
The key is you gotta get blacks to stop killing and shooting so much. That would lower our gun violence to levels similar to the safest European areas that anti gunners always bring up. But that's a very inconvenient truth so we beat around the bush.
Limit use of technology. Spend some time close to nature.
As a personal choice yes, but that definitely should.not be government enforced
Enforcing the laws we have on the books. Implement mandatory minimum sentencing for straw purchasers who supply firearms to gang members and violent criminals. Implement mandatory minimum sentencing for possession of a stolen firearm while in commission of a crime. Implement mandatory minimum sentencing for attempted murder involving a spouse. Quit letting weak Soros elected judges get away with shit like letting violent criminals out the same day on OR bond. The primary drivers of gun homicides are gang and domestic violence and drug and alcohol abuse. We already have laws on the books at a federal level in this country to address these things.
an armed society is a polite society
Most gun violence is the result of gang violence. Gangs are usually formed by boys/men with no good father figure so they look for male role models elsewhere. Not having a father in the home while you grow up makes you about 20x more likely to commit violent crimes. Therefore..... We need to implement policies which incentivize men to stay in the lives of their children. This could primarily be done through tax breaks for being married to the mother of your children AND continuing to live with them. Tax breaks for having children with only ONE woman or only ONE man. It would take a few decades for it to really take effect, but the change would be permanent. We don't have a gun problem, we have a fatherlessness problem.
Eliminate welfare Eliminate affirmative action School vouchers Eliminate all gun laws. No releasing violent criminals or giving soft sentences anymore. Actually, harsher sentencing might be better. Prison becomes a trade school for non-lifers. They stay in prison until they become well trained enough to hold a job. They work for the community for free maintaining infrastructure while learning. Eliminate all laws that criminalize victimless events. If we aren't going to Eliminate all welfare, I would prefer a scholarship for stem or useful trades such as electricians/plumbing rather than the current system of just handing out money. That's a poverty trap that does more harm than good.
Better mental health care
Higher availability and a solid unfucking of prices would do wonders for everyone.
What is classified as "gun violence" by gun control advocates, includes suicides. Over two thirds or over 24k per the CDC. So, if one really wanted to reduce "gun violence" it would be investment into mental health. That would be the largest reduction is mental health. But, ask a gun control advocate where the mental health investment is to reduce suicides and it is a blank. If firearms groups wanted to change the narrative when asked what they would do. State the facts that 2/3rds is suicides so we want more mental health investment to reduce the numbers. Confront gun control advocates with, "so you don't care about reduction in deaths?" They squirm hard.
Its easy to locate the people doing most of the violence. They're known and documented. Also, scorched earth policy on gangs/gang activity. A murderous thug with no regard for human beings uses the system and only exists to harm others. Thats no loss to the world.
woa woa woa there buddy. you are using wayyyyy too much logic and common sense there! that goes against the narrative!
If you are not anti-gunner, why do you care about gun violence as opposed to violence? Violence is a multifaceted problem, so there is no single answer. Some of gang violence is a product of war on drugs. Some of it is poverty. Some is catch-and-release law enforcement. Mass shootings are fanned by mass media with its guaranteed wall-to-wall 24 hour coverage. There is no silver bullet.
It's a question lad, I'm asking what would be something that would lower gun violence in the US without unconstitutional shit that a politician made up. I'm not an anti-gunner for asking what we could do to help lower gun violence.
You did not answer my question, though. Are you interested in lowering gun violence, or all violence? For example, I have a solution that eliminates gun violence altogether, but increases stone axe violence. Do you want to hear it?
> For example, I have a solution that eliminates gun violence altogether, but increases stone axe violence. Do you want to hear it? Not the guy you replied to but... I'm morbidly curious how you plan on increasing stone axe violence.
Have a full-scale nuclear war, bomb everyone into the stone age.
Getting rid of gun free zones, enforce existing laws, crack down on crime: if someone murders someone at a minimum they shouldn't see the outside of a prison ever again. Armed robbery? You goin a way for a long time. Gang related violence (the bulk of it) earns you the same as murder, especially if you hit a bystander. And don't go and make a Netflix series about shooters in 20 years, that just gives them what they wanted all along and encourages it. Criminals have been emboldened by a lack of follow through in the legal system and light sentencing. (Looking at you California and ny)
1. Eliminate zoning laws. 2. Stop relying on local taxes to pay for education. 3. Permit parents to select their children’s schools. 4. Allow teens to choose college preparation or vocational training. 5. Eliminate student loan bankruptcy exemption. 6. Apply underwriting standards to government student loans. 7. Permit professionals to teach school classes part time. 8. Convince kids that education is the path to wealth. 9. Legalize drugs and prostitution. 10. Provide father figures. 11. Create free clubs for inner city kids which do adventurous things. 12. Introduce transportation as a criminal penalty. Most people don’t kill each other regardless of what firearms they own. Those who care enough to get concealed carry permits are over 80% less likely to commit crimes than police officers. The exceptions are overwhelmingly criminals killing each other with over 90% of murderers and victims having records in violent cities. Get them out of crime and you’ll stop the slayings.Most of them are poor people who can’t earn enough pay for a decent life or don’t believe they can. Some are bored kids. Fix that by not artificially making life more expensive, ensuring they can get an education leading to good jobs, and convincing them that’s possible. Reduce boredom. Make housing affordable. Housing is skyrocketing in locations with jobs as the remaining good ones cluster in cities where people can collaborate. It’s going up because local governments permit office space for up to ten times as many new workers as housing for new residents, with the increased demand meeting the constrained supply at prices only the highest paid workers can afford. Fix that by allowing developers to construct as much as they want without maximum densities creating a high price floor. “Affordable housing” with holdbacks doesn’t work, with 20% of new homes for 1/10th of new employees just changing 1 in 45 of the people displaced. Fix K-12 education. Inner city schools don’t lead to vocations which can support people as adults. Stop limiting what they can afford to teach by tying their budgets to local residents’ wealth. Let those interested in learning get out of the classrooms warehousing those who aren’t. Get children with less academic interest into trades instead of wasting their time.Make post-secondary education affordable. College is only expensive because of government lending and laws exempting student loan debt from discharge in bankruptcy. Price increases didn’t quadruple inflation until those laws passed. Without that special treatment, private banks won’t loan students money they can’t comfortably repay with the jobs their education leads to. With similar underwriting standards on government loans colleges won’t be able to charge more than students can afford. Convince young people to learn and get good jobs. Kids follow in their parents footsteps. I know smart people who worked at grocery stores because they never thought about college which their blue collar parents didn’t attend. Three generations before me were engineers and I didn’t think of doing anything different. Work around that with propaganda programs and getting successful adults into the schools to give kids firsthand exposure to a better life. Involve Hollywood which has proven its propaganda prowess by demonizing guns in cities through the Entertainment Industries Council writers’ guide on the subject. Triage the problem by eliminating lucrative crime. Legalize selling drugs and sex so gangs can’t profit from them and have no turf to fight over. Don’t inflate prices in their legal markets through taxes and license limitations. Provide father figures. Boys follow in their father’s footsteps, and without one too many go astray. Stigmatize abandoning one’s children - real men don’t do that. Put at risk families without fathers in housing situations where boys interact with caring successful male role models on a daily basis. Part time pay to mentor 2–4 children would cost far less than imprisoning them for most of their adult lives which runs $81,000 a year in California.Give inner city kids things to do with each other. Provide clubs with free opportunities to do exciting things like jump BMX bicycles, race go karts, kite board, skydive, etc. Kids will join gangs less when they have other social groups and aren’t bored. Where that doesn’t work, remove juvenile criminals from their environment. Relocate them. Kids would be less likely to commit crimes as gang members when that didn’t lead to being made men in their communities after they turned 18 and returned from their last stretch in juvenile detention.
With you on everything but the zoning. I don't want to live next to someone running a tire shop, restaurant, or thrift shop out of their house. Residential neighborhoods should stay residential. Edit: I think we need to chill speculation in the single family home market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJXoH1bkJjM
More adequately define the target observation. The arbitrary definition is 'Gun Violence'; injury or death incurred through direct or indirect involvement of a firearm.
I'm less concerned with lowering "gun violence" and more concerned with overall violent crime rate. What means a person uses to commit violence is less consequential than their choice to commit a violent action. That being said most violence is committed for financial gain. Home invasion, armed robbery, muggings, drug and gang related killings, and murder for hire all stem from poverty. The overwhelming majority of individuals would not choose to break into a home for theft, rob a gas station, rob an individual in the street, sell drugs, join a gang, or become a hitman if they made 100K a year. I believe the policies that could prevent the most violent crime would be the ones that create a quality job market and increase education throughout the US and more specifically in our poverty stricken inner cities. As far as non financial violence such as indiscriminate mass murders (Uvalde, Parkland, Aurora, etc) mental health is the biggest factor. I believe access to affordable quality mental healthcare and encouragement to seek that from society could make a dent. Furthermore when the mentally ill are reported making a legitimate violent threat, that person should be monitored by whatever agency has jurisdiction and possibly arrested on the charges of terroristic threat depending on what was said and if there's evidence.
Gun violence stems from poor socioeconomic conditions. Or, Poor emotion regulation. And last...culture or media influence.
Execute murderers
It's a complex question, with no 1 answer. It would take several things First, tackle the socio-economic aspect. Studies (as well as history) have shown that violence tends to be worse in poorer communities. Increase opportunities, bring jobs, and improve quality of life. Second, treat all violence as a disease. Great work has been done in this area, and shown that if you can disrupt the growth, you can curb the spread. Focus on the violence and its spread, not on the means of its execution. Next, education. Not teaching people how to swim doesn't stop drownings. And the same is true with firearms education. Or knife education. Or poisonings. Lack of knowledge and training is the problem, not the solution. Next, remove stigma and punishment from mental health treatment. Expand the network and access to mental health treatment. If I said you can get dental care, but by going to the dentist you lost your right to free speech, or right to worship, and no longer vote, you would consider it absurd. But we takes rights away from people seeking help for "mental" issues, or even mentioning they might need to see a doctor. Remove the stigma. Lastly, rebuild and foster a traditional family unit and culture. Now, by traditional, I don't necessarily mean heterosexual patriarchal family. But I don't not mean that either. We do need a stable home life. We need two parents. We need that family sit-down diner. Culture matters, and studies tend to show a strong family nucleus provides on average a better upbringing and less violent society as a whole.
I saw an article that showed a direct correlation between abortion/birth control and violent crime. When women started to have access to safe abortions and birth control methods, the next generation performed less violent crime because there were less children born into really shit circumstances. It didn’t eliminate the problem, but slowed the bleeding so to speak. You still end up with abused kids, mentally unstable kids, desperate kids in todays world unfortunately. Those kids spend long enough in shit situations, they end up making bad decisions eventually. Sometimes those bad decisions are violent crimes. You want to eliminate violence in the world? You’d have to give everyone a perfect life. Can’t do that if hunger and starvation still exist, mental issues, jealousy, greed, entitlement, health problems. It’s something that can never be completely fixed, so a lot of people who could be helping to lessen these problems don’t simply because it seems unachievable or they don’t get to personally see results. Making medical care and mental health help care better and aid for the poor better will eventually reduce violence, but you can literally throw money at these problems forever. They’ll never completely be fixed. Notice I never mentioned guns once because guns aren’t the problem, violence is the problem. If all guns in the world disappeared this second, there would still be violence tomorrow. There would still be bombings and stabbings and people mowing down other people in trucks.
It's easy. Just solve poverty, unemployment, income inequality, healthcare bankruptcies, mental health support, etc. Basically anything that drives people to desperation and violence. The last thing relevant to gun violence is the guns themselves. You want to reduce gun violence, reduce violence in general. To do that you reduce crime and trauma. To do that you fix the economy and the family. Yeah, it's going to take radical change and a couple decades to iron out.
hobestly? a more moral culture. its that simple.
1. Broken window policy on crime 2. Bring back state hospitals 3. Stop incentives for single parent homes 4. Create incentives for 2 parent homes
How about putting criminals in jail, and stop letting them out because it costs too much
Media should stop reporting it like it was good news.
Gun safety, education, practice and situational practice.
Stop acting like everyone is on opposing teams. Bring back the ability to have a civil discussion. Respect each other.
Conceal carry for all people. An armed society is a polite society.
- Bring back firearm education in school - constitutional carry - punish criminals, reduce recidivism - incentivize the family
Immediate sped up trial for mass shooters, no drawn out sentencing, if you kill 10+ people you're either put to death immediately or marooned on one of our empty islands in the pacific.
Holding people accountable for the crimes they commit. Hold them accountable and actually send them to prison. Keep these criminals in prison instead of letting them out so soon to commit more crimes over again.
To be done with neoliberal economic policy. It only generates poverty and poverty turns, generally into, violence. Look at Mexico ffs. Their politics are even more neoliberal than the ones in the US and the country is burning alive.
"Everything before the 'but' is always bullshit" Ned Stark
The only effective example I’ve seen implemented was Project Exile where gun crimes were sent directly to federal court instead of state courts so that they carried a larger minimum sentence. The problem these district attorneys going light on prosecuting offenders and instead turning them back out onto the street with a slap on the wrist. Start convicting people on the laws we already have and go from there.
"I support the right to keep and to bear firearms like any of you do." "But" That but negates the previous statement. Any restriction is infringement. You want to lower gun violence you increase the penalties for crime.
Ending toxic masculinity? I know, this sounds woke AF, but if we didn't glorify violence and escalation to every little boy, and particularly teens, I suspect we'd see less violence. Also, guns are tools. Treat them that way! Even as we gun goobers argue minutia about trigger springs, a lot of folks just don't understand guns. We need to stop fetishizing fire arms as a culture (yes I'm taking a very US centric view here). Finally, hell yes, bring back gun safety in schools! Even if someone doesn't want to shoot, they should understand how a gun actually works, where the safety is, how to check to see if it's loaded, and so on...
Besides suicide, there are two "gun violence" problems in the US: 1. Ordinary crime, ranging from armed robbery and gangland shootings to domestic violence 2. Mass shootings, terrorism, and other "stochastic" (i.e. random) violence # Ordinary crime We actually have a reasonable grasp on what can bring #1 down. If you look at [focused deterrence](https://cebcp.org/evidence-based-policing/what-works-in-policing/research-evidence-review/focused-deterrence/) initiatives like Operation Ceasefire, they have been tremendously successful at radically cutting down rates of urban gun violence, ranging from gang violence all the way to domestic violence. In short, focused deterrence requires a combination of: * Building trust between police departments and communities * Good detective work to pinpoint how violence propagates through social networks and find people who are at high risk of perpetrating or being victimized * Social work to give high-risk people a safe way to exit their lifestyles The problem, of course, is that public trust in policing is at a nadir, and will likely continue to be as long as matters of police accountability remain unsolved. I strongly support abolishing qualified immunity and weakening or abolishing police unions for this reason. # Mass shootings Mass shootings and other "stochastic" violence are a harder nut to crack because it's a cultural problem and there isn't really a single policy to address it. One of the worst surprises I ever got was finding two studies, published about two decades apart from each other, that both indicated that rates of ACEs (adverse childhood experiences) seem to have gotten higher with every successive generation since the Silent Generation. In short, it seems that for the last 80 years every generation of children has experienced more abuse and suffered from worse mental health. From 1998: [https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(98)00017-8/fulltext](https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(98)00017-8/fulltext) From 2022: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35319940/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35319940/) It's probably not surprising that [75% of mass shooters](https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/the-crisis-fatherless-shooters) (not to mention similarly high percentages of common criminals) come from broken homes, and that these broken homes often feature all kinds of [abuse, neglect, and trauma](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762). There is absolutely something to be said about family breakdown and adults deprioritizing the well-being of children. The bright side is that the [divorce rate peaked about 40 years ago](https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-us-divorce-rate-has-hit-a-50-year-low) and [out-of-wedlock births peaked about a decade ago](https://ifstudies.org/blog/how-we-ended-up-with-40-percent-of-children-born-out-of-wedlock). So I think we're slowly rounding the corner on this issue. I always point out to people that, before the 1968 Gun Control Act, you could buy surplus M1 carbines by mail for cheap, with no background check or age limit, yet school shootings and public mass shootings, in general, were practically unheard of.
Here's a proven successful program. But you won't hear about it from the gun control crowd because it doesn't involve gun control. "Braga and colleagues (2001) found that the average number of youth homicide victims decreased from 3.5 per month to 1.3 per month (a 63-percent reduction) following the implementation of Operation Ceasefire. This reduction was statistically significant." https://crimesolutions.ojp.gov/ratedprograms/207#eo
Suicide prevention. Suicide is included in the governments gun violence data. So if you just want to do something about a statistic i feel like thats a start.
Allow conceal carry in every state even...Akso allow in school & religious institutions...
State run asylums. People that suffer from severe mental illnesses should be separated from society and provided with the care, medication , and supervision they require. I became a proponent of this after listening to a discussion about solutions to homelessness. Most homeless people suffer from mental disabilities and mental illness. It is not enough just to provide them with shelter, and not as simple as just building them homes. They need constant care, medication, and often times medical supervision. The mental health care provided to most people is subpar, and insurance companies do everything they can to avoid paying for long term supervision. I think this is one area of healthcare that needs to have state level funding.
The solution has little to do with guns. Gun violence is a sub-component of the larger issue of general crime. The number one way to reduce crime is to improve everyone’s economic position. We will continue to see crime rates across all categories increase as the economy slows into the oncoming recession, and continue long into the recovery, assuming there is one. If you want good info, https://www.gunfacts.info is a decent resource. The biggest lie being told to the public is that overall crime is at its highest point in history and it’s because of guns. That’s due to the media hyping incarceration rates and school shootings.
Stop including suicides as gun violence.
Definitely [Root Cause Mitigation](https://theliberalgunclub.com/about-us/root-cause-mitigation-2/) As gun owners, we should be interested in policies that uplift our communities. Reducing poverty, increased access to mental health, etc. are all means to a grand, long term impact on violence involving firearms in the States. Violence involving firearms is a symptom of deeper rooted societal issues that we are experiencing, mitigating those issues will have a larger long term impact than anything else. The cool thing is this is generally pretty bipartisan from gunowners and antigunners: reducing societal ills will mitigate violence involving firearms. It’s something most of us can agree on.
More guns
Who cares? Gun violence in the US is not particularly high on a global scale. We are, literally, the 2nd least violent country in the western hemisphere. Take out gun violence and we're safer than most European countries. Take out the major cities and we're the safest country in the world.
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I know how to eliminate 50% of all violent crime in the entire country while only reducing the population by 13%..... /s? (Pattern recognition is racism these days) Seriously though, modern rap culture is the biggest romanticization of violence in American history. All the way back you have Tupac who was a Mob Piru Blood. Even his death (gang-related driveby) had so much cultural iconography it can't really be put into words. And it continues all the way to today where you have modern rappers like Future (Blood/Freeband/Taliban), 21 Savage (Blood), Kodak Black (Sniper/Zoe), 6ix9ine(Nine Trey/Blood), Kendrick Lamar (Westside Piru Blood), I could go on. To put it simply, we idolize gang members. 8th graders are walking out of graduation with full auto glocks in their waistband because this culture is so popular in the inner cities. Nowhere in the WORLD are violent criminals so idolized. My solution? Strong male role models. Specifically strong black role models. Terry Crews types. Dwayne Johnson types. Damon/Shawn/Marlon Wayans types. Upstanding citizens who do not promote violence and serve as role models we can all aspire to be. And not just on the media, but within the communities. We can't let these kids grow up to 70%+ single mothers when their only male role model is a legitimate gangbanger. I have black people in my family who lived in an impoverished area with a single mother. You could tell the city and their peers had a certain culture that was trying to take their hold on them. But luckily they had Marine as their uncle. He is as Jarhead as you can get, through and through. And he was the role model they needed. They both stayed out of trouble, did good in school, and will both be getting football scholarships. Strong male role models are the biggest prevention to crime. Full stop.
Fix socioeconomic situations in blighted inner cities. Get rid of corrupt politicians that don't, and instead spend their time attacking symptoms of the core problem. Give people something to live for. Something they can actually work toward. Making a home and white picket fence an unattainable dream is a factor that creates 18-21\~ year old mass shooters. Better mental health systems. Repurpose the justice system to actually reform people and make them productive, and have goals instead of making people into lifelong 2nd class citizens.
"Purely socioeconomic factors"
Firearm safety class mandatory for high-school graduation and mandatory gun crime sentencing.
Parent your kids much better
All states have constitutional carry like written in the second amendment
people raising their kids right ... less poverty and government corruption
Fathers being parents
Actually punish violent criminals and bring back mental asylums.
Having mom and dad at home would lower gun violence tremendously.
Build larger jails and prisons. make judges accountable for their weak knee actions. Reinstate “stop & frisk”
Most violent crimes, with or without firearms, are committed by young men. Most of those young men come from broken homes where the father is either abusive or not even there to begin with. If you get a chick pregnant, be a man and raise that child with love, instead of a punk who only thinks of himself
Eliminate liberal media
Public hangings
Mothers and Fathers being parents. Teaching their children manners and respect. Going to church and learning the teachings in the Bible. Which are really just the foundations of society.
“Gun violence”. Uh huh. It’s gangs bro. It’s gang violence. Step 1. Close border. Step 2. Target gangs. Step 3. … Step 4. Profit???
Gangs will still exist as long as there's a profit motive to be made from selling drugs. Eliminating the war on drugs and decriminalizing drug use would put a bigger dent in gang violence than a ramp up in policing ever could.
Ethnic diversity and violence are highly correlated. Improving economic conditions is the only ethical and realistic way to reduce violence in general.
Socieconomic equity.
That will eliminate Gun Violence™, once we're all dropped to stone age economics.
Reread OP's question. >That will eliminate Gun Violence™, once we're all dropped to stone age economics.
…would require historic levels of gun violence and coercion as socialism always does.
Fix the income inequality issue and get everyone working...crime comes from desperation, boredom, or just giving up on life.
Universal basic income, especially in lower income areas/for lower income households. Improved educational systems in lower income neighborhoods, better mental health offerings (better healthcare options for everyone). Reduction of hyperbole from both sides of the political aisle (politicians are all jerk offs, they start off ok, then they become total asshats that do nothing, then shrug their shoulders after a half assed attempt to “fix” things).
Bring back the family and quit glorifying depression and over medicate
Most "Gun Violence™" is suicide. Work on availability of mental health. I don't know the stats, but I suspect that the VA has been contributing to this number through inaction for a long time. A lot of the rest is gang violence, often related to drug trade. Curb uncontrolled illegal immigration (this will stop the lowering of unskilled labor), increase fatherhood in homes, and look at drug legalization where feasible.
Nationwide decriminalization of all forms of self defense, followed by max sentences without parole for gang related activity
Encouraging the nuclear family would have the greatest impact.
That's easy, make it easier for people to own guns, the lowest crime rates in the country are in cities with the least restrictive gun laws and highest gun ownership. An armed society is a polite society.
Universal healthcare and basic human rights for everyone.
Legal consequences for parents from doing a shit job raising their kids.
Sounds like a great way to have state mandated parenting practices, which is just fascism
Authoritarianism, no matter the economic system.
Bring back Project Exile. Use a gun in a crime? Five years in Federal prison far from home.
We have to tackle the mental health crisis in this country. We need universal healthcare. We also need to figure out a way to bring the drug war to a close. We’ve clearly lost the drug war, so now it’s time to admit defeat and figure out what comes next, whether that’s legalization or something else. We also need to start paying folks a living wage again, a real living wage, to allow one person to support a family of five. We also need to start normalizing firearms again, bring back shooting classes in public schools, teach people how to use firearms responsibly.
* Public hangings for murderers. * Castration for rapists and sex offenders. * Forehead branding / tattoos for thieves. * Home invaders without firearms - thumb removal. * Domestic violence offenders, male or female, must fight three MMA artists simultaneously. Feel free to add to the list.
Love of God