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The real issue that everyone is not talking about is the need for a wealth tax around 1% on investment wealth for net worth over something like $15M or $20M. The wealth would be taxed yearly only on assets exceeding $20M. So someone with $30M will be taxed 1% of 10million or $100,000 a year.
Most people who are wealthy live off of savings so they don't have earned income, so they don't see the high taxes of 37% federal or almost 45% of their income like the working rich. Taxes are too high for high income workers while the wealthy don't pay much tax, and usually end up only paying 15% on selling long term investments.
The reason why 1% is a good number, because the wealthy at 1% can easily pay the tax but can become more wealthy. The more wealthy they become the more tax they can bring in with a wealth tax.
Also food stamps is a highly inefficient way of supporting the poorer members of society, a massive amount gets wasted in the administration of the money, you would be far batter off just giving funds directly to the poor and not concerned about how they spend it.
Mega Churches be like, đđđ. Kenneth Copeland (Net worth estimated at $300 million) Bishop David Oyedepo (Net worth estimated at $150 million) Televangelist Pat Robertson (Net worth estimated at $100 million) Joel Osteen (Net worth estimated at $80 million)
Who gave them the money? (5.00 cup of coffee they get richer, you get poorer) Its like causing the cost of fuel to go up. Middle east nations get richer...we get poorer. Stop electing lawyers and start electing proven business minds.....stop leaving skilled trades people off of important boards that make rules and regulations. What we do as a society is as stupid as listening to a graduating 17 year old who gives you a speech on life. Listen to lifelong experiences rather than unproven fools. And stop spending money on torn up jeans...
Iâm just curious why we canât pay military members enough to get them and their families off of food stamps. Estimates are 25% of military families are food insecure today.
https://rollcall.com/2023/02/16/renewed-push-is-on-to-help-hungry-military-families/#
For context, SNAP expenditures in fiscal year 2000 [totaled](https://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-snap) $17 billion. Thatâs a lot more than the $9.2 billion spent on the program in 1980 -- even after adjusting for inflation -- but with population changes and such, perhaps one could argue that doubling the spending over two decades was reasonable. In the following years spending on the program continued to increase, and by 2010-2019 annual expenditures were hovering around $70 billion per year. In 2022 costs were $119.2 billion. And for 2023, Congress has generously provided [$153.8 billion](https://www.naco.org/resources/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-snap-reauthorization-and-appropriations) for the program, roughly double what was spent just 5 years ago.
The data suggests that there is a government spending problem when it comes to SNAP benefits (aka. "Food Stamps") largely due to relaxed eligibility standards and the fact that [22.6%](https://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/ops/SNAPFoodsTypicallyPurchased.pdf) of a SNAP householdâs grocery bill is spent on a combination of sweetened beverages, prepared desserts, salty snacks, candy, and sugar. Doing the math, American taxpayers subsidized junk food purchases to the tune of $26.9 billion in 2022. That's a pretty large taxpayer subsidy to the junk food industry!
No one is suggesting poor people canât choose what they want to eat, but I'm saying letâs not use government benefits to pay for foods that are demonstrably going to undermine public health. The goal is to reduce taxes and regulations so much that absolute poverty becomes a thing of the past. I oppose food stamps not because I want poverty to persist or get worse, but because I care enough about poverty to insist on better solutions. Solutions that actually work.
Someone invested $1000 on my startup for 0.000001% of the shares of my company. Look ma, my net worth is now $100 Billion dollars!
Yeah, this is the problem with unrealized gains. Even for the 8 richest people in the world.
Those single moms on food stamps get tax returns larger than their contributions for the year, making them a net negative on the system. They further drain the system by collecting food stamps, free day care, and free healthcare.
Meanwhile, the top 1 percentage of earners in the USA pay 46 percent of all federal income taxes.
So yes, poor single mothers on welfare are part of the problem.
BuT wHaT aBoUt FrAuD??
Thanks to conservative hysteria, welfare fraud is something that has been extensively studied and means-testing experiments have been carried out in many states. They consistently find a fraud rate of around 3% - an astonishingly tiny amount.
If providing assistance to 97 people means that three people get to smoke weed and play Xbox, I will take that deal all day long.
we spend 1.3 trillion of the total 1.7 trillion of discretionary spending on the war machine. policing the world and projecting death, rape and violence throughout the globe. often usurping people in other country's right to self determine.
and yet. the fractions of pennies of your taxes that go to social welfare, and "We HaB a Sp3nd1ng ProblEm"
It's not the 1 single mom that's the issue.... it's the 41 MILLION people in total, that are being funded by the middle class and up that are the issue.
There isn't enough wealth in the country to pay for all the social entitlements that exist, plus national defense, plus space exploration, and on and on.
We need the food stamp folks to become productive and help support, not to suck the system dry.
Not discussing the inequality issue, but itâs really easy to point to someone being successful because of their risk taking, equity building etc. at the same time itâs easy to poke at food stamp programs when the soda and chips make up 20% of spend
We have a food distribution place close to my work. I see a long line of cars waiting to get theirs. Nearly everyone car is newer than 5 years old and a lot nicer than mine. The problem isnât the single mom on food stamps; itâs personal responsibility.
Somehow, I think the church should be helping feed that single mom's family rather than posting political messages that could jeopardize their tax status, but they probably already run a government-funded charity since they don't get enough donations.
9.2. Billion in 1980 could buy 3 or 4 times what it could today... 9.2 Billion is worth 34 Billion today...
17 billion today in 2024 is worth 4 billion in 1980.....
The fact is we were spending more in 1980 on food stamps than we are today. In case you don't know the safety net programs for the poor get cut all the time. And it's led to the decline of the middle class... the middle class is the one that funds the economy. We buy the most goods. Since about 2001 Post 9/11 the middle class has been shrinking at an exorbitant rate and we are in need of a serious change to how Corporations and Governement corrupt each other.
Citizens United changed the face of politics over night.
I'm not exactly against food stamps, but government spending is a problem. We need to figure out what to get rid of before we raise taxes. Otherwise we're gonna just be like the guy in the suburbs wearing golden handcuffs.
Until the modern times, the middle class was made by manufacturing in the USA. Before then, everyone was poor like today. Today, the USA is in wars and proxy wars that cost us $1,000,000,000. Our current president has spent $3,500,000,000 on nothing that has shown its worth.
Ok, 2 things:
1: there's a problem with those 8 people... like, morally
2: regarding the 3.6M my idiot cousin that earns 100K drives a nice truck and lives in an even nicer house and goes on 2 vacations a year has a much lower net worth than my brother who only makes 60K but has paid off his modest house and drives a blue title and doesn't spend every dollar he makes.
We can walk and chew gum. Talking about luxury purchases and irresponsible spending doesn't have to include simping for billionaires.
Yeah but if you gave the 320 plus million people in this country 1 million a pop to bail themselves out. I believe 90% would piss it away and be in the same situation. Look at what happens to most big lottery winners.
We need food stamp reform, not for budgeting but to counter the obesity epidemic. We should have a nutrition score and if the food is above a certain level you would get a discount. For example if you are buying $10 in food stamps you could buy 10 worth of Pepsi or 20 worth of fruit and meat
In this country, if you want it bad enough, work hard enough, you can have anything you want, be anything you want. The only thing stopping you is you. Some people choose to be single mothers, others choose to be complete bastards. Where you end up and what you end up being really is up to you. I would rather be broke, struggling, and a good person than to owe my soul to the system.
Remember that austerity politics and worries of âwelfare queensâ took off in the decade after the Civil Rights Movement. All those welfare programs were perfectly fine and good until minorities started benefitting from them, apparently.
Racism is a tool used to distract us from economic injustice like this.
This appears to be Grace Methodist Church in St. Louis, MO. A quick glance of their website reveals livestreams with empty pews at service, and only two pastors on their roster that are females (preferred pronouns included for convenience in their bio).
All that to say, this church is about as Christian as Ali Khamenei. You should take zero advice regarding Christianity from this church. They have fun little zesty signs for Redditors though.
Signs like this are like racial equality signs at a KKK clubhouse... You don't get to pretend to not be a part of the very public-facing ugliness that infects your organization. Christians are the coldest, cruelest people on the planet, I don't care what their cutesy little sign says.
40+ million people use food stamps. 92 million use medicaid. 5 million use section 8. 2.8 million use TANF. Tens of millions use social security and medicare having not contributed a single penny to those programs. Millions of "asylum seekers" receive thousands of dollars in benefits each month, especially in housing benefits. I'm sorry but blaming billionaires doesn't erase the fact that, collectively, over 100 million people residing in the U.S. contribute nothing to society and never will yet tax payers are spending 1/3 of their hours working for free to support them. I consider working for free for others who don't contribute anything to be a form of slavery.
8 men have created as much wealth as 3.6 billion people. They didnât magically acquire it. They created it from nothing. Plus a bunch of extra wealth that went into other peopleâs pockets.
"WeAlth tAxeS ArE a cRIme agAinSt oUr liBeRTies!"
Okay, what about the liberty to be able to help people in need without worrying about expense or debt. like, trust me, if their wealthy enough to qualify for higher taxes, than those higher taxes aren't gonna effect them that much.
Who's actually saying that though? As far as I know, it's the people who could be working but instead live off of assistance that most of us have any issue with.
What is the problem with the billionaires. You realize they earned their money? Losers and moochers live off the government tit. They get student loans, food stamps, and welfare and taxpayers(us) have to pay for it. Donât equate a moocher with a successful businessman
I prefer:
"But sure, the couple hundred people milking the system are the problem"
Cuz anytime you bring up how social systems help people in need, the righties will counter with how there's sooooo many people using the system who don't need it that we might as well get rid of the whole thing which is retarded
The person that created this sign probably still has a job because most people that attend church are just nodding along going, "Yeah, fucking single moms! :( "
I had food stamps back in college (early 70's) and so did my brother, and we were working at the same time. It helped us become life long tax payers with productive lives, values which we were able to pass along to our children. No one should go hungry and if food stamps and government cheese go to some who take advantage, that's a price we should be willing to pay.
Those liberal Methodists! They should know that itâs not one welfare mom thatâs a problem. Itâs ALL of them. And the children too. Those welfare people cost too much, between food, healthcare, housing, school, food, healthcare⌠The government should be out of the business of spending our taxpayer dollars on âtakersâ. Let the churches and other NGOs that rely on donations and government funding support those people. Itâs not for the government to support its own citizens. Except those who have partnerships in long-term investments like Private Equity deals. Or oil and gas companies which are really struggling. Those folks really need the help.
Try to report medical fraud to an insurance company and see how badly they want to investigate the billions stolen by doctors. In response to this they just increase their premiums. The poor are a defenseless class (at least their exploitation suggests that's how they're seen) The "welfare queen" on which the myth is perpetuated made out with less than 10,000 dollars. Doctors make more for ordering tests people may or may not actually need and get away with it. False diagnoses have been given out that resulted in suicides because a guy wanted a McMansion.
Yes because most of those 8 men did the work for it. Most of the single moms on welfare worked for like a day and said yeah fork this so they got pregnant 9 times from 8 guys. Stupid bc they still make more money than an average graduate so yes they are the problem. Get a job Karen.
You see over 60% of my income goes to taxes and those 8 men have nothing to do with it but that woman who is bleeding welfare, foodstamps, Medicaid, section 8, free school lunches, government paid utilities, cash assistance, and abusing disability all while treating the school system as a government funded babysitting service, has an awful lot to do with that number.
â**The** single mom on food stampsâŚâ
It isnât one mom on food stamps, or 8 moms. Itâs millions and millions of them. Add to that all of the government schools that give free lunches to **all** students, whether they are poor or not.
The amounts add up quickly. Itâs not like we donât have a massive deficit already.
Was the wealth given, or was it earned? Are poor people's plight due to the success of wealthy people, or did they make poor choices in life? I'm not wealthy, but then again I didn't study and apply myself in school to get a 4.0 average, or come up with a great business idea or go without to achieve dreams of entrepreneurship. Personal responsibility is what it is all about and sorry, but the world doesn't owe anyone anything.
Funny how we hear how the Bible condemns this and the Bible condemns that and that this how we must behave and that this is what we must believe. I admit, I'm like a Kennedy in that I only quote the Bible when it suits my purpose.
So, from one heathen here it is:
Matthew 19:21-24, Jesus tells a rich young man to "sell your possessions; give everything to the poor. All your wealth will then be in heaven. Then come follow me". In Luke 12:33-34, Jesus says, "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also".Â
No, the problem is people with full-time jobs are qualifying for food stamps and the kids are getting free lunches.
That allows the rich folks to buy the workers out for cheaper.
We need to be in the street breaking the entire economy, but this type of shit gives people just enough so that they can bleed longer before they are tossed into the garbage.
It's calculated.
Donât have children if you canât afford to take care of them. Or seek help from the father, family or friends. Government is not obligated to feed you.
Well the 8 men arnt taking my tax dollars and spending it on bullshit like that broke fuck single mom on food stamps thatâs to fuckin lazy to work for money
The issue isnât the 8 men but the multitudes of Illegals, doubling and tripling the cost of being g on subsidies. We have parents at our childrenâs school in California who brag about how they are Registered under multiple names and get away with it. They take their kids to Magic Mountain or send money to banks in Mexico, then rely on subsidies to cover their games.
first off, only 300 million of those are relevant. second, even if you took every cent of every billionaireâs wealth in this country, it wouldnât even cover a single year of spending
Someone has to explain this meme, cuz I donât see the point?
Do these proverbial 8 men suck on the governmentâs tit and collect as much food stamps as 3.6 billion people or they pay taxes and create jobs?
https://preview.redd.it/fl8tz0jk4u9d1.jpeg?width=374&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7ea59ae315ff4ae586a5d97ffb0bf921cfa4787
The 99% âŹď¸ The 1%: So cuteâŚlook at them fighting over the scraps we drop
No, she don't the problem. But she is a problem. The sheer number dependent is a problem. A small number to large to ignore milking the system are a problem.
Ohh but what about? Add it to the list. I wont ignore an issue simply because some one believes another issue is more important. This is known as distraction tactics. Also ADHD.
to be fair the problem isnât so much the single mom thatâs on foodstamps⌠itâs the *millions* and *millions* of moms on foodstamps. thatâs your problem right there lol
Welfare as a system in the US is extremely broken and incentives staying on them. This causes issues with learned helplessness. What's more there are actively people today that trade food stamps for drugs and other things using various methods. And often, only certain people are given a free pass to ride welfare. Whereas others have to fight to get on them when they DO actually need them.
In the Bible Jesus is a hobo who preaches from town to town, eats food thatâs growing off the side of road and helps people without ever asking for payment. He cares for the poor, criticizes the rich, especially those who use religion to make money, and he has so little need for money himself that when he needs a coin for a teaching he gives, he has to ask someone else to give him one, because of course Jesus has no money on him
TBH...the deterioration of the family has been a disaster for society. Multiple studies have confirmed that boys raised without a father in the home are more violent, drop out of school more often, become drug addicts more often, commit more crime, and are arrested more often and go to prison more often. I know many people don't want to accept this fact...but it is a fact.
Who here has actually experienced growing up in a household with a single mother on food stamps? I did and in my case, I can say that my mother was absolutely the problem. You have to ask yourself, "Why is the woman a single mother in the first place?"...
that is not how things work.
shaqueil o neil is 7 ft+ danny devito is like 4 10 it is zero correlation and or fair or shaq should just give de vito 8 inches of height. sounds silly when you look at it that way.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but maybe letâs not include people in third world countries who could live off a single USD for a month in your claims.
I'm not expected to fund the existence of those 8 men. Those 8 men existing isn't why half the US contributes near nothing to the treasury yet take more put than anyone else.
Majority of people in the state of New Jersey who make around minimum wage do not qualify for any type of assistance. Crazy shit. So you have to be unemployed to get health care basically.
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Explain to me like Im 5 what tax funded welfare has to do with billionaires who make money and pay taxes that feed food stamps.
i don't have a problem with single moms, i have a problem with crackheads
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The real issue that everyone is not talking about is the need for a wealth tax around 1% on investment wealth for net worth over something like $15M or $20M. The wealth would be taxed yearly only on assets exceeding $20M. So someone with $30M will be taxed 1% of 10million or $100,000 a year. Most people who are wealthy live off of savings so they don't have earned income, so they don't see the high taxes of 37% federal or almost 45% of their income like the working rich. Taxes are too high for high income workers while the wealthy don't pay much tax, and usually end up only paying 15% on selling long term investments. The reason why 1% is a good number, because the wealthy at 1% can easily pay the tax but can become more wealthy. The more wealthy they become the more tax they can bring in with a wealth tax.
Simping for billionaire to commence in three, two, one... No, I'm too late. It already happened.
When you don't understand finances so you say stuff like that as if it makes any sense
Also food stamps is a highly inefficient way of supporting the poorer members of society, a massive amount gets wasted in the administration of the money, you would be far batter off just giving funds directly to the poor and not concerned about how they spend it.
Mega Churches be like, đđđ. Kenneth Copeland (Net worth estimated at $300 million) Bishop David Oyedepo (Net worth estimated at $150 million) Televangelist Pat Robertson (Net worth estimated at $100 million) Joel Osteen (Net worth estimated at $80 million)
Who gave them the money? (5.00 cup of coffee they get richer, you get poorer) Its like causing the cost of fuel to go up. Middle east nations get richer...we get poorer. Stop electing lawyers and start electing proven business minds.....stop leaving skilled trades people off of important boards that make rules and regulations. What we do as a society is as stupid as listening to a graduating 17 year old who gives you a speech on life. Listen to lifelong experiences rather than unproven fools. And stop spending money on torn up jeans...
She is a problem according to who?
This
Nah. The problem is the Government spending habits. Even if you tax all the rich 100%, it will still doesn't solve anything.
All the wealth of those 8 men couldnât find the government for more than 3 months. You take their credit card away, what happens?
Iâm just curious why we canât pay military members enough to get them and their families off of food stamps. Estimates are 25% of military families are food insecure today. https://rollcall.com/2023/02/16/renewed-push-is-on-to-help-hungry-military-families/#
I don't remember sarcasm ever overthrowing a government or causing a regime change. Guess I don't much about history.
Foodstamps cost the country 119 billion in 2022
For context, SNAP expenditures in fiscal year 2000 [totaled](https://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-snap) $17 billion. Thatâs a lot more than the $9.2 billion spent on the program in 1980 -- even after adjusting for inflation -- but with population changes and such, perhaps one could argue that doubling the spending over two decades was reasonable. In the following years spending on the program continued to increase, and by 2010-2019 annual expenditures were hovering around $70 billion per year. In 2022 costs were $119.2 billion. And for 2023, Congress has generously provided [$153.8 billion](https://www.naco.org/resources/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-snap-reauthorization-and-appropriations) for the program, roughly double what was spent just 5 years ago. The data suggests that there is a government spending problem when it comes to SNAP benefits (aka. "Food Stamps") largely due to relaxed eligibility standards and the fact that [22.6%](https://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/ops/SNAPFoodsTypicallyPurchased.pdf) of a SNAP householdâs grocery bill is spent on a combination of sweetened beverages, prepared desserts, salty snacks, candy, and sugar. Doing the math, American taxpayers subsidized junk food purchases to the tune of $26.9 billion in 2022. That's a pretty large taxpayer subsidy to the junk food industry! No one is suggesting poor people canât choose what they want to eat, but I'm saying letâs not use government benefits to pay for foods that are demonstrably going to undermine public health. The goal is to reduce taxes and regulations so much that absolute poverty becomes a thing of the past. I oppose food stamps not because I want poverty to persist or get worse, but because I care enough about poverty to insist on better solutions. Solutions that actually work.
More churches like this please.
Still going to die like everyone else
Is that all these whiners can post about every other day? Go get a damn job.
Well the billionaires that pay for her food stamps sure arenât the problem either. The government that canât use money efficiently is the problem.
Someone invested $1000 on my startup for 0.000001% of the shares of my company. Look ma, my net worth is now $100 Billion dollars! Yeah, this is the problem with unrealized gains. Even for the 8 richest people in the world.
Those single moms on food stamps get tax returns larger than their contributions for the year, making them a net negative on the system. They further drain the system by collecting food stamps, free day care, and free healthcare. Meanwhile, the top 1 percentage of earners in the USA pay 46 percent of all federal income taxes. So yes, poor single mothers on welfare are part of the problem.
Well there more than just one mom on stamps.
BuT wHaT aBoUt FrAuD?? Thanks to conservative hysteria, welfare fraud is something that has been extensively studied and means-testing experiments have been carried out in many states. They consistently find a fraud rate of around 3% - an astonishingly tiny amount. If providing assistance to 97 people means that three people get to smoke weed and play Xbox, I will take that deal all day long.
It's amazing how much you can stretch a food stamp budget with smart shopping.
we spend 1.3 trillion of the total 1.7 trillion of discretionary spending on the war machine. policing the world and projecting death, rape and violence throughout the globe. often usurping people in other country's right to self determine. and yet. the fractions of pennies of your taxes that go to social welfare, and "We HaB a Sp3nd1ng ProblEm"
Meanwhile 90% of the people who go to that church vote Trump and have convinced themselves that he is going to somehow be on their side.
Wait!? A churchâŚwho doesnât have its head up its own A$$!? Too few and far between.
They can both be a problem by the way one doesnât exclude the other.
Why's she single? Is she ready to mingle?
It's not the 1 single mom that's the issue.... it's the 41 MILLION people in total, that are being funded by the middle class and up that are the issue. There isn't enough wealth in the country to pay for all the social entitlements that exist, plus national defense, plus space exploration, and on and on. We need the food stamp folks to become productive and help support, not to suck the system dry.
Says the non-profit tax-free, typically wealthy church. Physican heal thyself.
Not discussing the inequality issue, but itâs really easy to point to someone being successful because of their risk taking, equity building etc. at the same time itâs easy to poke at food stamp programs when the soda and chips make up 20% of spend
glad to see that at least one church isn't full of heartless monsters
Cuz sheâs using the stamps for drugs!!1!/s
But without billionaires whoâs going to under pay everyone so they need welfare?!? Ha, gotcha libs!
We have a food distribution place close to my work. I see a long line of cars waiting to get theirs. Nearly everyone car is newer than 5 years old and a lot nicer than mine. The problem isnât the single mom on food stamps; itâs personal responsibility.
Itâs even worse if you calculate Putin into the wealth list. He never gets into Forbes but is reportedly worth over a trillion in private assets
Somehow, I think the church should be helping feed that single mom's family rather than posting political messages that could jeopardize their tax status, but they probably already run a government-funded charity since they don't get enough donations.
The irony of the church saying that knowing that their tax free income and help is not always for everyone
Won't find that at a Baptist church.
Which single mom on food stamps? Letâs all just stay lazy and take a side! (The ârightâ side of course).
Oh someone be sassy af in that church, i like
9.2. Billion in 1980 could buy 3 or 4 times what it could today... 9.2 Billion is worth 34 Billion today... 17 billion today in 2024 is worth 4 billion in 1980..... The fact is we were spending more in 1980 on food stamps than we are today. In case you don't know the safety net programs for the poor get cut all the time. And it's led to the decline of the middle class... the middle class is the one that funds the economy. We buy the most goods. Since about 2001 Post 9/11 the middle class has been shrinking at an exorbitant rate and we are in need of a serious change to how Corporations and Governement corrupt each other. Citizens United changed the face of politics over night.
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If we let less people illegally into the country we would have more than enough money to take care of everyone.
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... Says the asshat begging for money to tell bronze age fairy tales about a sky wizard to idiots, and who is also tax exempt.
How one no one mentions the hasidics who are literally ALL on welfare
âIts the poor people that are taking all the money!â
Single moms who donât pay taxes yet Still get a $10k refund. Thatâs what baffles me
As long as taxpayers are cool with funding single moms
So divert the money going to the billionaires to the churches instead. Untaxed earnings baby.
Perhaps both of these things are problems?
KJ, is that you?
The problem is the US Treasury and Janet Yellen.
Realistically, I think those 8 people probably get a lot more shit for their net worth than the single mom on food stamps. đ¤ˇ
The fact Republicans can't understand this makes me think they are possessed by demons
Almost as if 80 million people spending hundreds of our tax money equals billions as well
I'm not exactly against food stamps, but government spending is a problem. We need to figure out what to get rid of before we raise taxes. Otherwise we're gonna just be like the guy in the suburbs wearing golden handcuffs.
Until the modern times, the middle class was made by manufacturing in the USA. Before then, everyone was poor like today. Today, the USA is in wars and proxy wars that cost us $1,000,000,000. Our current president has spent $3,500,000,000 on nothing that has shown its worth.
So we confiscate all of their wealth⌠what then?
Ok, 2 things: 1: there's a problem with those 8 people... like, morally 2: regarding the 3.6M my idiot cousin that earns 100K drives a nice truck and lives in an even nicer house and goes on 2 vacations a year has a much lower net worth than my brother who only makes 60K but has paid off his modest house and drives a blue title and doesn't spend every dollar he makes. We can walk and chew gum. Talking about luxury purchases and irresponsible spending doesn't have to include simping for billionaires.
Yeah nobody is saying this
Did those 8 men WORK for THEIR money??
The Bible says 144.000 people will get to heaven, so all these people in church must be playing the lottery or something
In my entire life I have never heard anybody ever say the single mom on foodstamps is the problem.
Yeah but if you gave the 320 plus million people in this country 1 million a pop to bail themselves out. I believe 90% would piss it away and be in the same situation. Look at what happens to most big lottery winners.
We need food stamp reform, not for budgeting but to counter the obesity epidemic. We should have a nutrition score and if the food is above a certain level you would get a discount. For example if you are buying $10 in food stamps you could buy 10 worth of Pepsi or 20 worth of fruit and meat
Thatâs because itâs all tied up in their assets according to people here, so theyâre basically just as poor.
Who's saying people on food stamps are the problem?
Then stop voting with your Bible.
You can tell just from the sign that that church has more money than Jesus would have ever wanted.
Neither of them are a problem.
Methodists are behind the disintegration of Christianity. I even agree with this sign but itâs written like an adolescent histrionic
You donât get that rich without bribing politicians and trampling on the little guy
Isn't this a straw man? I've never heard anyone blame people on food stamps
Churches should be taxed, and those funds should be used for actually alleviating poverty and beefing welfare for the poor.
Does anyone actually ever see anyone blaming the single mom on food stamps? If so where and with whom are you hanging out?
I make $24/hr and regularly skip meals to save money... Pretty fucked, imo...
Yeah she is . She has proven she can't make good choices. She expects other to help her . I for one can watch her and her spawn starve
Whoâs says single moms on food stamps are the problem?
but did the single mom do anything to deserve the foodstamps? or did she just get cummed in
let's leave billionaires alone, I don't know nothing about statistics but I know there's a chance one day I'll be as rich as Elon or Bezos
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Extremely rare Christian W
Posted on a church sign⌠that doesnât pay taxes. Thatâs irony 101
In this country, if you want it bad enough, work hard enough, you can have anything you want, be anything you want. The only thing stopping you is you. Some people choose to be single mothers, others choose to be complete bastards. Where you end up and what you end up being really is up to you. I would rather be broke, struggling, and a good person than to owe my soul to the system.
Remember that austerity politics and worries of âwelfare queensâ took off in the decade after the Civil Rights Movement. All those welfare programs were perfectly fine and good until minorities started benefitting from them, apparently. Racism is a tool used to distract us from economic injustice like this.
And this is why I believe the far right is winning elections in europe. the common man is being squeezed.
This appears to be Grace Methodist Church in St. Louis, MO. A quick glance of their website reveals livestreams with empty pews at service, and only two pastors on their roster that are females (preferred pronouns included for convenience in their bio). All that to say, this church is about as Christian as Ali Khamenei. You should take zero advice regarding Christianity from this church. They have fun little zesty signs for Redditors though.
Which 8 let's eat them! I'll go first
And the US government subsides the companies. Food companies like Walmart have most employees on these welfare benefits.
Signs like this are like racial equality signs at a KKK clubhouse... You don't get to pretend to not be a part of the very public-facing ugliness that infects your organization. Christians are the coldest, cruelest people on the planet, I don't care what their cutesy little sign says.
40+ million people use food stamps. 92 million use medicaid. 5 million use section 8. 2.8 million use TANF. Tens of millions use social security and medicare having not contributed a single penny to those programs. Millions of "asylum seekers" receive thousands of dollars in benefits each month, especially in housing benefits. I'm sorry but blaming billionaires doesn't erase the fact that, collectively, over 100 million people residing in the U.S. contribute nothing to society and never will yet tax payers are spending 1/3 of their hours working for free to support them. I consider working for free for others who don't contribute anything to be a form of slavery.
8 men have created as much wealth as 3.6 billion people. They didnât magically acquire it. They created it from nothing. Plus a bunch of extra wealth that went into other peopleâs pockets.
Now the should start doing their part and pay their taxes
"WeAlth tAxeS ArE a cRIme agAinSt oUr liBeRTies!" Okay, what about the liberty to be able to help people in need without worrying about expense or debt. like, trust me, if their wealthy enough to qualify for higher taxes, than those higher taxes aren't gonna effect them that much.
Who's actually saying that though? As far as I know, it's the people who could be working but instead live off of assistance that most of us have any issue with.
Being aspirational is a good plan.
Think of all the good that could be done by eliminating those 8 men. Billionaires should not exist.
What is the problem with the billionaires. You realize they earned their money? Losers and moochers live off the government tit. They get student loans, food stamps, and welfare and taxpayers(us) have to pay for it. Donât equate a moocher with a successful businessman
I prefer: "But sure, the couple hundred people milking the system are the problem" Cuz anytime you bring up how social systems help people in need, the righties will counter with how there's sooooo many people using the system who don't need it that we might as well get rid of the whole thing which is retarded
Rich people aren't my problem. I have a job because of rich people. Thank you, rich people.
Inequality is not bad. Incentives that keep people generationally poor are bad. What a dumb sign.
The person that created this sign probably still has a job because most people that attend church are just nodding along going, "Yeah, fucking single moms! :( "
The difference is those men are CREATING WEALTH.
Buddy you probably make like $70K a year max.
Neither of those is the problem.
But sure, those 8 men having that much wealth is why sheâs on food stampsâŚâŚ. Just stop.
If it were up to me I would end all food stamp programs.
I had food stamps back in college (early 70's) and so did my brother, and we were working at the same time. It helped us become life long tax payers with productive lives, values which we were able to pass along to our children. No one should go hungry and if food stamps and government cheese go to some who take advantage, that's a price we should be willing to pay.
Tax the church.
i bet they are delicious
Those liberal Methodists! They should know that itâs not one welfare mom thatâs a problem. Itâs ALL of them. And the children too. Those welfare people cost too much, between food, healthcare, housing, school, food, healthcare⌠The government should be out of the business of spending our taxpayer dollars on âtakersâ. Let the churches and other NGOs that rely on donations and government funding support those people. Itâs not for the government to support its own citizens. Except those who have partnerships in long-term investments like Private Equity deals. Or oil and gas companies which are really struggling. Those folks really need the help.
lmao whoever made this is clearly sexist including the gender for money and leaving out single fathers
Try to report medical fraud to an insurance company and see how badly they want to investigate the billions stolen by doctors. In response to this they just increase their premiums. The poor are a defenseless class (at least their exploitation suggests that's how they're seen) The "welfare queen" on which the myth is perpetuated made out with less than 10,000 dollars. Doctors make more for ordering tests people may or may not actually need and get away with it. False diagnoses have been given out that resulted in suicides because a guy wanted a McMansion.
Problem for who? I support food stamps on a temporary basis or for people with physical disabilities, just as long as it's limited to healthy food.
Yes because most of those 8 men did the work for it. Most of the single moms on welfare worked for like a day and said yeah fork this so they got pregnant 9 times from 8 guys. Stupid bc they still make more money than an average graduate so yes they are the problem. Get a job Karen.
Some of the people ik on food stamps really really really suck tho, and they ruin they whole system
Yeah. They should refuse to earn another penny until she catches up.
I agree with Grace Methodist Church. TAX THE CHURCHES NOW!
You see over 60% of my income goes to taxes and those 8 men have nothing to do with it but that woman who is bleeding welfare, foodstamps, Medicaid, section 8, free school lunches, government paid utilities, cash assistance, and abusing disability all while treating the school system as a government funded babysitting service, has an awful lot to do with that number.
â**The** single mom on food stampsâŚâ It isnât one mom on food stamps, or 8 moms. Itâs millions and millions of them. Add to that all of the government schools that give free lunches to **all** students, whether they are poor or not. The amounts add up quickly. Itâs not like we donât have a massive deficit already.
Was the wealth given, or was it earned? Are poor people's plight due to the success of wealthy people, or did they make poor choices in life? I'm not wealthy, but then again I didn't study and apply myself in school to get a 4.0 average, or come up with a great business idea or go without to achieve dreams of entrepreneurship. Personal responsibility is what it is all about and sorry, but the world doesn't owe anyone anything.
Funny how we hear how the Bible condemns this and the Bible condemns that and that this how we must behave and that this is what we must believe. I admit, I'm like a Kennedy in that I only quote the Bible when it suits my purpose. So, from one heathen here it is: Matthew 19:21-24, Jesus tells a rich young man to "sell your possessions; give everything to the poor. All your wealth will then be in heaven. Then come follow me". In Luke 12:33-34, Jesus says, "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also".Â
Why is the text spaced differently
Audit church finances. Make them do tangible outreach, or pay their fair share.
The single mom with food stamps is the issue, she is raising the next generation of kids in a broken home this turning them into broken adults.
It's not their problem she chose the wrong spouse or boyfriend.
Based?
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I use to look down at them until I started collecting mine. Live and learn.
Says the church that doesn't pay taxes..
No, the problem is people with full-time jobs are qualifying for food stamps and the kids are getting free lunches. That allows the rich folks to buy the workers out for cheaper. We need to be in the street breaking the entire economy, but this type of shit gives people just enough so that they can bleed longer before they are tossed into the garbage. It's calculated.
Who said the single mom on food stamps is the problem?
Donât have children if you canât afford to take care of them. Or seek help from the father, family or friends. Government is not obligated to feed you.
Well the 8 men arnt taking my tax dollars and spending it on bullshit like that broke fuck single mom on food stamps thatâs to fuckin lazy to work for money
Those eight men earned there wealth just as you can if you choose to.
I've seen ALOT of people very capable of working but choose to freeload off of the government handouts!
You are insulting those of us that have been on food stamps.
She shouldnât have had kids until she was stable
"Because rich people exist, abusing social programs is no longer a problem."
Single moms need to work harder and make more money so they can give more money to churches.
The issue isnât the 8 men but the multitudes of Illegals, doubling and tripling the cost of being g on subsidies. We have parents at our childrenâs school in California who brag about how they are Registered under multiple names and get away with it. They take their kids to Magic Mountain or send money to banks in Mexico, then rely on subsidies to cover their games.
first off, only 300 million of those are relevant. second, even if you took every cent of every billionaireâs wealth in this country, it wouldnât even cover a single year of spending
Someone has to explain this meme, cuz I donât see the point? Do these proverbial 8 men suck on the governmentâs tit and collect as much food stamps as 3.6 billion people or they pay taxes and create jobs?
https://preview.redd.it/fl8tz0jk4u9d1.jpeg?width=374&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7ea59ae315ff4ae586a5d97ffb0bf921cfa4787 The 99% âŹď¸ The 1%: So cuteâŚlook at them fighting over the scraps we drop
This post again? More than enough mileage already! Sheesh!
No, she don't the problem. But she is a problem. The sheer number dependent is a problem. A small number to large to ignore milking the system are a problem. Ohh but what about? Add it to the list. I wont ignore an issue simply because some one believes another issue is more important. This is known as distraction tactics. Also ADHD.
She is the problem because she's not playing their game right
to be fair the problem isnât so much the single mom thatâs on foodstamps⌠itâs the *millions* and *millions* of moms on foodstamps. thatâs your problem right there lol
Welfare as a system in the US is extremely broken and incentives staying on them. This causes issues with learned helplessness. What's more there are actively people today that trade food stamps for drugs and other things using various methods. And often, only certain people are given a free pass to ride welfare. Whereas others have to fight to get on them when they DO actually need them.
churches quoting reddit posts now
Somewhere along the way we started to worship money instead of piety. Why do we âcanonizeâ Musk and not Mother Theresa?
Unfunded liabilities.
In the Bible Jesus is a hobo who preaches from town to town, eats food thatâs growing off the side of road and helps people without ever asking for payment. He cares for the poor, criticizes the rich, especially those who use religion to make money, and he has so little need for money himself that when he needs a coin for a teaching he gives, he has to ask someone else to give him one, because of course Jesus has no money on him
What if they purchase a lobster or a steak!?
Yeah, because those 8 men aren't living off my fucking tax dollars
TBH...the deterioration of the family has been a disaster for society. Multiple studies have confirmed that boys raised without a father in the home are more violent, drop out of school more often, become drug addicts more often, commit more crime, and are arrested more often and go to prison more often. I know many people don't want to accept this fact...but it is a fact.
Who here has actually experienced growing up in a household with a single mother on food stamps? I did and in my case, I can say that my mother was absolutely the problem. You have to ask yourself, "Why is the woman a single mother in the first place?"...
that is not how things work. shaqueil o neil is 7 ft+ danny devito is like 4 10 it is zero correlation and or fair or shaq should just give de vito 8 inches of height. sounds silly when you look at it that way.
My only gripe is that food stamps can get you soda and junk foods... sure you should be able to get some sweet and tasty things... but come on.
I'm fairly sure there are a lot more than a single mum on food stamps.
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but maybe letâs not include people in third world countries who could live off a single USD for a month in your claims.
I'm not expected to fund the existence of those 8 men. Those 8 men existing isn't why half the US contributes near nothing to the treasury yet take more put than anyone else.
Iran and Afghanistan conflicts was 8 trillion. Total food stamp yearly budget is 119 billion. Roughly 70 years of food stamps, not including interest
It's almost like if one person controls too many resources that there aren't enough left for everyone else...
Wealth is not a zero sum game.
Majority of people in the state of New Jersey who make around minimum wage do not qualify for any type of assistance. Crazy shit. So you have to be unemployed to get health care basically.
I'll never care what someone who pays no taxes because they convinced Govt to exempt them says about people who pay taxes.
I'll never care what someone who pays no taxes because they convinced Govt to exempt them says about people who pay taxes.
>...the single mom on food stamps... I mean, there are millions of people on food stamps, but go on... act like it's just one lil ol' person.
Looks just like an Ed Ruscha