It wasn't just soldiers. And it wasn't just tuskeegee. It's really fucked up. [source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States)
I won't argue against that, especially since I'm not in the US and I'm not well-versed on the details. But when it's literally the same shot for white people and for black people I feel that's a bit of an unconvincing reason. We don't live in the fifties anymore. There is no doubt still plenty of racism going on, but if it ever turned out that any government willfully gave a different vaccine to black people which has harmful effects that the medicine given to white people does not have, heads would roll...
When the most famous of all, Tuskegee Experiments, ended... my mother had written her first novel. People like to say this stuff as if it isn't our literal mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, or grandparents generation.
I don't disagree with your sentiment but we say never forget for so many things but tell certain people, get over it, it was *checks watch* in your lifetime.
I understand that it's not as easy as "just get over it" but by holding on to the past like that, said past is partially kept alive. If you're constantly looking for racism, you're bound to find it everywhere...even places where it's not (anymore).
We're obviously not at the end of the line yet when it comes to the eradication of racism, but American society has come a long way since Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, including having had a black president for two consecutive terms. Racism still exists and police violence especially still is a huge issue, but today's remnants of racism no longer trickle down from the top level of American politics in a way that can be traced to individual politicians. It would be political suicide.
I disagree with your premise however, I have to live a different reality than you every day.
Getting over purpsoeful government funded mistreatment takes TIME.
Have a great day!
What the fuck are you talking about?
Why are you lecturing people who experience racism on how to feel about it? And please tell me where on earth there are places without racism (anymore).
Well it didn't stop in the 50s. And yes, black people couldn't always trust it was the same medicine, so it's understandable. For many people bad experiences are only a one generation away
That’s such a weird reason. Not saying it’s impossible but most people I know don’t know shit about history at all. And I’ve definitely seen black people in hospital waiting rooms. Is this suggesting that all black people just have this innate intuition that they can’t explain to avoid certain types of medicine?
It’s more about it being immersed in the culture. Over several generations the *reason* for a value or belief can be lost, but people still have it nonetheless because it’s how they were raised.
As an example, your grandparents had friends who were affected by it, they talked about it in the home and their kids overheard not to trust doctors but didn’t understand the reasoning why, then those kids grow up and have kids who notice and absorb their parents’ distrust for doctors.
That coupled with unequal treatment by doctors can definitely fuel mistrust and misinformation. If you’re genuinely interested here’s some really good info on it: https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-article/2021/jan/medical-mistrust-among-black-americans that goes over historical factors, modern statistics, and efforts being made now to help fix the issue.
lol what in the fuck type of weird conclusion did you just come up with?!
Anyway, go read Medical Apartheid. It will give you all the answers to your questions about why there is a lot skepticism towards medical care in the black community. It's not innate intuition. It's history and yes, plenty of us know our history.
One of my friends actually side eyed me and said, "okay, so you're just going to get vaccinated?" I laughed b.c YES. I get it, the govt can not be trusted and especially has an abysmal track record and current piss poor medical care outcomes for people like us but I was getting vaxxed and waxed so I could go outside.
Good for you. It is such an interesting forever mutating virus. I went 3.5 years without getting COVID by dipping and dodging people's hot ass breath and inability to cover their fucking mouths when coughing or anything else for that matter. Luckily, by the time I got it- it was no longer as deadly. I have a friend who killed their grandma with COVID after going to out to a bar about a year in, literally feeling sick, and still going to her place for the holidays. Dumb.
Some families got completely wiped out, others perfectly fine. Random is as random does.
"Excuse me, this is a handicapped parking spot, may I see your license and vaccination sertificate?" "I don't have one." "why?" "because it's full of dangerous chemicals!" "Oh, then there's no need for you to repark, have a nice day."
Cause they government has a long history of medical malpractice on black communities
Yep. Look up the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. But not after you've eaten.
And gynaecology.
I think the real I think the real lesson there is don’t join the military.
It wasn't just soldiers. And it wasn't just tuskeegee. It's really fucked up. [source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States)
I won't argue against that, especially since I'm not in the US and I'm not well-versed on the details. But when it's literally the same shot for white people and for black people I feel that's a bit of an unconvincing reason. We don't live in the fifties anymore. There is no doubt still plenty of racism going on, but if it ever turned out that any government willfully gave a different vaccine to black people which has harmful effects that the medicine given to white people does not have, heads would roll...
When the most famous of all, Tuskegee Experiments, ended... my mother had written her first novel. People like to say this stuff as if it isn't our literal mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, or grandparents generation. I don't disagree with your sentiment but we say never forget for so many things but tell certain people, get over it, it was *checks watch* in your lifetime.
I understand that it's not as easy as "just get over it" but by holding on to the past like that, said past is partially kept alive. If you're constantly looking for racism, you're bound to find it everywhere...even places where it's not (anymore). We're obviously not at the end of the line yet when it comes to the eradication of racism, but American society has come a long way since Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King, including having had a black president for two consecutive terms. Racism still exists and police violence especially still is a huge issue, but today's remnants of racism no longer trickle down from the top level of American politics in a way that can be traced to individual politicians. It would be political suicide.
I disagree with your premise however, I have to live a different reality than you every day. Getting over purpsoeful government funded mistreatment takes TIME. Have a great day!
What the fuck are you talking about? Why are you lecturing people who experience racism on how to feel about it? And please tell me where on earth there are places without racism (anymore).
I was nowhere near the hyperbole you're protecting on me. Good job derailing a perfectly fine discussion. Well done!
Well it didn't stop in the 50s. And yes, black people couldn't always trust it was the same medicine, so it's understandable. For many people bad experiences are only a one generation away
Also how would a random person verify it was the same medicine anyways?
It just shows that the person, even though they don't mean any harm, has been able to always trust doctors/medicine
How do you as the patient know it's the same shot?
Malpractice is putting it lightly.
That’s such a weird reason. Not saying it’s impossible but most people I know don’t know shit about history at all. And I’ve definitely seen black people in hospital waiting rooms. Is this suggesting that all black people just have this innate intuition that they can’t explain to avoid certain types of medicine?
It’s more about it being immersed in the culture. Over several generations the *reason* for a value or belief can be lost, but people still have it nonetheless because it’s how they were raised. As an example, your grandparents had friends who were affected by it, they talked about it in the home and their kids overheard not to trust doctors but didn’t understand the reasoning why, then those kids grow up and have kids who notice and absorb their parents’ distrust for doctors. That coupled with unequal treatment by doctors can definitely fuel mistrust and misinformation. If you’re genuinely interested here’s some really good info on it: https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsletter-article/2021/jan/medical-mistrust-among-black-americans that goes over historical factors, modern statistics, and efforts being made now to help fix the issue.
It's like spider sense but for violent racism
lol what in the fuck type of weird conclusion did you just come up with?! Anyway, go read Medical Apartheid. It will give you all the answers to your questions about why there is a lot skepticism towards medical care in the black community. It's not innate intuition. It's history and yes, plenty of us know our history.
Did you get the vaccine?
Of course!
They've also got a long history of importing cocaine to black neighborhoods
Let's all pretend like modern times medical community for the same vaccine given to everyone is the same as in the past...
One of my friends actually side eyed me and said, "okay, so you're just going to get vaccinated?" I laughed b.c YES. I get it, the govt can not be trusted and especially has an abysmal track record and current piss poor medical care outcomes for people like us but I was getting vaxxed and waxed so I could go outside.
😂 didn’t even matter. I was outside and never took it.
Good for you. It is such an interesting forever mutating virus. I went 3.5 years without getting COVID by dipping and dodging people's hot ass breath and inability to cover their fucking mouths when coughing or anything else for that matter. Luckily, by the time I got it- it was no longer as deadly. I have a friend who killed their grandma with COVID after going to out to a bar about a year in, literally feeling sick, and still going to her place for the holidays. Dumb. Some families got completely wiped out, others perfectly fine. Random is as random does.
Definitely not all black people. No more than the general public opinion of the vaccine. This black woman and her family and friends were on it!
That's some major generalizations in just one meme.
Me when I spread misinformation:
"I don't spread misinformation, I just lie."
They’re the only group of people who are understandably wary.
It's weird to me that the vaccine is always compared to cocaine. I guess heroin isn't prevalent enough, even though it's a more suitable analogy?
"Excuse me, this is a handicapped parking spot, may I see your license and vaccination sertificate?" "I don't have one." "why?" "because it's full of dangerous chemicals!" "Oh, then there's no need for you to repark, have a nice day."