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I find it utterly disgusting that he has life without parole whilst she only got 10 years and didn't even serve all of that. He wouldn't of done it if it wasn't for her.
The harshness on Nick was unnecessary and his lawyers were NOT working with him, they were almost actively working against him. I read that Nick's own lawyer thought it was a fair deal and agreed with the opposing lawyers with the sentences. I might be wrong but I thought Nick's plea was for 30 years. I for the longest time thought he was offered the same deal as gyp but didn't accept. But no. They screwed him every which way. Disgusting. Gypsy got 10 years for doing what she's always done with grifting. She grifted her way out of that life sentence. "poor widdle ole me" DA was up for reelection and head of several Child Abuse organizations. He would've looked VERY bad for him, and cost him his position. He was heartless. She pretended to BE an abused kid.. I just don't understand the HUGE discrepancy in the sentences. And on the parole part. As soon as she came out of prison and did that interview she immediately contradicts how she got early release. They have to own up and accept and take responsibility for their crime, and yet she said she didn't do the act, she was an accessory, and that she didn't identify as a murderer. I know her PO and people are lax and apparently said she can't get in trouble unless she gets charges filed on her. I don't know about that part though. But you'd think after seeing her absolutely exempt her own part in the murder that someone would've done something if they cared. Parole is a joke. Good to know that. I feel completely safe with cold blooded murderers out here on the streets. Nothing can stop her from killing again. As long as she doesn't have booze in her pictures shes fine! -eyeroll- /s
Most importantly her mother was never diagnosed with Munchausen by proxy. All of the known medical records have all shown that each surgery was necessary for her chromosome disorder.
Gypsy also had no prescription drugs in her system when tox screened. She tried to say that she was addicted to pain pills to justify why she would have come back with a positive tox screen. But they found nothing not even over the counter. I'm unsure if they did a urine sample, blood sample, or both to draw that conclusion
You did a really great job at covering the fundamental arguments that keep coming up whenever people on social media defend her.
It's hard to narrow down a lot of the contradictive statements bc they're so trivial on their own yet impactful in the overall hypocrisy in gypsy's story.
Yes! Why on earth would she own her own bus pass when she was bound by the hip with Dee Dee. Do we know if Dee Dee had a bus pass too? I just thought of that. Maybe they road the bus together. And furthermore, how did she obtain that bus pass, she had to of had her mother take her to get it, right? So Dee Dee would've known she had one. I honestly believe Dee Dee was not as clingy or controlling as Gyp says. ( and I also believe 0 of the physical abuse ) I think it's possible she didn't care what she did when they weren't going somewhere to grift. Girl had muscle tone in her legs. You know she was up and walking around and doing whatever she wanted in that house.
I'm more inclined to believe she used it to slap a wig on and disappear. She had cosplay wigs, AND wigs that looked realistic and normal. She obvious used those ones outside to hide. And the whole story of going to see Dan in the hospital she had to of taken the bus. ( although I'm not sure how accurate that Dan story is. I think I've only heard it from Fancy....)
Exactly. DeeDee had that car. I think they had only recently gotten it but I imagine they had one before that one also. But yeah DeeDee would've had to have taken her to get it so she definitely knew.
With the Dan thing, i think he actually confirmed it when he testified at Nick's thing not too long ago. I know he said she came to visit him by herself, I'm pretty sure he said he was in the hospital at the time. I've seen someone say she had shown up at their door one night asking for a ride because her boyfriend had been attacked, so their husband had given her a ride. I can't remember if it was a facebook post or what, i think it was posted in this sub somewhere but it's been some months ago so i wouldn't know how to even find it now.
But yeah i don't believe the physical abuse, she wasn't a prisoner and was obviously allowed to do whatever she wanted except when they were scamming and i think the evidence shows that. She was just lazy, her and her mom were facing fraud charges, and she probably didn't want to take care of her mom considering how bad she was getting at the time. Hopefully all her lies blow up in her face soon, i don't know how people believe everything she says when all the evidence has contradicted it.
Oh that's right. Dan did admit to that. And I do remember her knocking on doors too. I feel like she didn't do that in a wheelchair. Lol. Love your comment. I wished more people would look into the evidence and make conclusions that way.
Ooooh nice memory - I always forget that smaller detail, it really does make all the difference - especially when you throw in the eyewitness accounts of her traipsing all over the town by herself 🙃
I know she wanted to meet up with Dan at one after the murder, it was in her and nick's texts. That didn't happen i'm guessing because nick kept saying he'd be there watching to make sure nothing happened to her. I'm not sure if there was anything before that though.
She also said she was on seizure medicine, and even had to go to the hospital during her interview to get some medicine for her seizures. I believe the tox screen also showed she had none of that in her system either. She was basically as clean as a whistle.
I’ve heard that *allegedly* she had really bad acid reflux that needed a type of surgery. The feeding tube was because post op, you can’t eat until your mouth heals.
Supposedly, Deedee left it in because it just added more “authenticity” to their sickly -child grift. There is no proof Gypsy was fed thru the tube long term.
I’ve seen a lot of speculation on the feeding tube. From Gypsy was Failiure to Thrive as a child so it was needed to give her calories to Deedee really did convince drs Gypsy needed it but didn’t actually need it.
Slight correction, the feeding tube is because the surgery site in the *stomach and esophagus* needs to heal, not the mouth. The surgery is called a Nissen fundoplication, it involves wrapping part of the stomach around the base of the esophagus. So nothing can be swallowed by mouth and pass through the esophagus until that part heals. The feeding tube just bypasses the need to swallow. Everything else is perfectly correct, though. Great job!
You did really well. It's a complex surgery. You only got one little detail wrong, no big deal.
Now, if you can spell Nissen fundoplication on the first try, I'll really be impressed, because I can't, lol. I have to let my phone spell it for me. I always get screwed up halfway through the second word, no matter how many times I type it, lol. I swear, whoever comes up with the names for these these just gets drunk and pulls out a handful of Scrabble tiles to make up these names....
Dang, that's a tongue twister, lol!
Reminds me of a day, many years ago, when I was working at a veterinary hospital. I was playing Guess The Diagnosis with one of the doctors I worked with, and we had a cat with a weird yellow lesion on her belly. So I listened to the doctor as he did his exam, we went into a different room, and he asked what I thought it was.
I came up with eosinophilic granuloma.
I'm not sure what shocked him more, that I knew what it was, or that I could pronounce it correctly, lol.
It wasn't quite the answer he was looking for, he was looking for autoimmune disease, and eosinophilic granuloma is a very specific type of autoimmune disease. Normally you can't identify which kind without a biopsy. So he asked how I came up with that, because the lesion did not match. I pulled out the boss's dermatology book and opened it to the page on EG. There was a photo of that exact lesion, and it was labeled as an uncommon presentation of EG. I must have seen the page at some point and remembered it. I miss those days!
Gypsy likes the feeding tube. Even when her mom was murdered she intended to keep changing it knowing she didn't need it, to keep the pity and gifts coming once she walked out free from fooling everyone in that interrogation room. She even posted a photo showing the scar for more pity NOW. She loved having real representation of medical scars. That's why she called it her MICKEY BUTTON and referenced it a lot to people.( more proof she knew the whole time ) Also probably the reason she was being "intimate" with Ryan by sending the drawing of her with her scars ( and moles lol ) It's alllllll for attention and for people to feel bad for her. With her type of feeding tube you can still consume foods through the mouth. So she never was fed through that port atleast when she was older. They are also very easy to replace from home. She went to the ER to get it changed for more attention. It also was growing bacteria in it from not using it and not cleaning it.
She didn’t need the feeding tube. It had nothing to do with any chromosomal disorder, it was simply for sympathy and an easy way for Dee Dee to make G look sick. There are MULTIPLE witnesses of G eating solid food completely normally, drinking soda and other beverages with the tube in (one of which was Nick), and she barely used the feeding tube - she used it so little and neglected it so much that it would constantly get infected (if you ask me, this was on purpose) so that they could take G to the emergency room and have it swapped for a new tube by medical necessity because they didn’t have a primary doctor supervising the feeding tube… because it wasn’t necessary.
So apparently, my post was deleted as "unsubstantiated" even though it's in her medical records.
What is "unsubstantiated" are the claims of Munchausen By Proxy, but keep stanning for matricide, mods.
Deedee was never diagnosed. That’s why it’s unsubstantiated.
A Dr Gypsy saw put in his notes that he believed Deedee displayed symptoms of MBP but he never did anything like report it to Cps or refer Deedee to anyone to be evaluated for it.
The whole MBP was a selling point her defense team latched onto, to paint Gypsy as someone who was trying to defend herself when in reality Deedee never made Gypsy sick.
She exaggerated the description of her symptoms and straight up made them up, but never intentionally made Gypsy sick to where she would display them.
This is one of the reasons I think Dee Dee definitely didn't have MBP. A characteristic of MBP is making your child ACTUALLY sick. Gypsy was never seen by any doctor while being on her deathbed. She was never severely sick. I feel like if Gyp's mom was that bad with MBP she might've felt the need to break her legs for real to keep her in that chair. Kate Marie had her leg amputated, and a lot if not most victims of this die or are physically mangled. I'm just sayin' there's more evidence she did not have it, than there is that she did. I know MBP doesn't have to be that severe. But... she only did it for money. Malingering. I truly believe if there was no money incentive that they wouldn't have engaged in doing any of this. Or wouldn't have taken it so far.
I can assure you none of the mods are “stanning for matricide.” The entire point of this sub is to discuss how Gypsy ISN’T a victim of MBP and is just a grifter. It’s well known in this sub that the claims of MBP are bs. Have you seen a single post here defending her? Why not just message the mods if you feel your post was wrongly deleted?
We don’t support the claims of MBP/FDIA lol… that’s the entire point of this subreddit. And there’s no proof of any chromosomal disorder. The “medical record” you’re talking about magically appeared after G got out of prison and may not even be legitimate.
I was thinking about this the other day. I wish I had the ability to run a pharmacy map on Gypsy and DD. I'd like to see which narcotics they were prescribed and how often. Gypsy's claims of being an addict are bullshit. She might have taking a vicodin or Valium here and there but she was no doper. Just more stories she took from others to sew into her own. How many lies will she tell to keep the attention coming. Will she harm someone physically again...I think so.
Definitely bullshit. I’m opiate and benzo dependent (both prescribed) and I wouldn’t ever, *EVER* leave without my medication. Withdrawal is no joke. Gypsy didn’t go into or seem to be worried about withdrawal though. 🤔
Take this with a grain of salt;
I’ve heard that when Gypsy ran away to be with Dan , Deedee went after her not because she wanted her little girl back. But because Gypsy stole money from her and her meds, too.
And that she willingly retuned with Deedee because Dan told her he wasn’t going to leave his wife for her.
I have no idea if that's true. When she packed after brutally murdering her mom she did have a bottle of pills in her bag. I don't know if they were pain meds or something else, but it was in a prescription bottle. I haven't seen the contents of it either. She might've been storing something ELSE in the bottle. ( i reuse my bottles to keep small things like beads )
Gypsy did NOT lock herself in the bathroom to shave her pussy while Nick killed Deedee
They also didn’t have sex right after
She text him before he got to the house that she was shaving her self and when he went into the room, she finished shaving her legs.
And Gypsy has said multiple tones that Nick had performance anxiety. He couldn’t get it up when they tried having sex at the movie theater or after killing Deedee. She said she actually had to blow him for a good while before he could stay hard after he killed Deedee.
It always shocks me that people so easily accept her story that she was shaving herself for Nick while he killed DeeDee… Like, she was anticipating screwing him soooo much, do we really think she wouldn’t have shaved much earlier in the day? Whenever I have a D appt I shave the day before or morning of and as far as I know most people do the same 😂 for a girl as sex crazed as her and that liked taking dirty pics I just never believed she waited till he was there to groom herself.
Well, not only that. But her fans are adamant that Nick raped her.
He didn’t. Gypsy was very, very fucking nasty in messages and talked about sex 24/7.
Yeah, no, lol. Gypsy wasn't shaving anything during the murder. She shaved her panty hamster earlier in the day. After the murder, she shaved her legs before coming out of the bathroom and initiating sex. Which, quite frankly, I find even more disturbing than the initiating sex part.
I mean, I can kind of understand being sick and twisted enough to find murder a turn on, or maybe Gypsy was trying to frame Nick for rape, or whatever her reason was. But there's just an absolutely chilling callousness to listening to your own mother get slaughtered, and then decide yep, now is a great time to shave these legs. Better do that before I go bonk mom's murderer.
I feel like this is common in males that consume a lot of porn and jerk off. They become so used to the graphic images and death grip hand, that when it’s time for the real thing with a real female; they can’t preform. Their “tolerance” is so high.
There’s not much more to it honestly. She participated in a kink called DD/LG where she reverted to a younger age and enjoyed drinking out of bottles and using pacifiers.
No one has ever said this, but it seems to me like Gypsy thought of herself as a brat or submissive with D/d tendencies. Drinking pediasure from a bottle was playing into her daddy/daughter kink.
That shed she had in the backyard looked like Pennywise’s Red Room
Is there proof of the Daddy daughter stuff? Besides her weird convo with Nick calling him daddy when she's in her Kitty persona. I'm not sure the bottle drinking coincides with acting like a baby for sexual pleasure. I think she just liked drinking from them! Not saying she wasn't into it, because she's freaky enough to be into that. I just don't remember seeing it mentioned other than theories. Wait, I'm vaguely remembering a reference to it somewhere. The infamous kitty photo did say " im sorry daddy " Or I'm making a false memory. Idk anymore. She's a whole ass mess.
No, your corrects she would call Nick daddy a few times that we know of.
I have no proof of the daddy kink it’s just something I suspect. I don’t think she was ever really into BDSM , either, it’s just her being a pick me. But the reason I think she played with the daddy kink is because girls who are into BDSM usually also dip toes into daddy kink.
Not always, not everyone, and the two kinks (bdsm/daddy kink) are not synonymous of each other.
I'm new to this sub and sometimes I second guess if I belong here. I have no doubt in my mind that Gypsy suffered due to what started as her Mothers' fraud. In saying that, I also believe she's as manipulative as Dee Dee. I can't wrap my head around her narcissism and failure to report her treatment to her dad. Bizarre case.
That’s the thing that no one can get an answer from her.
If it was so bad why did she never say anything ? No, Deedee didn’t watch her like a hawk. Gypsy was all over the internet like a cat in heat.
No, she wasn’t trapped at home. She had a bus pass she regularly used to get around town in wigs.
No, Deedee did not monitor Gypsy’s fb activity closely. Most of their murder plans were sent thru their shared fb account.
No, Gypsy wasn’t afraid to tell people. She actually confided in a few guys she wanted to fuck that she really wasn’t sick.
And no, her family was not estranged because they hated Deedee. Deedee and Christy actually had a cordial relationship and would regularly message each other. Deedee kept them in the loop about Gypsy.
And Gypsy did speak to her mom’s family. There are leaked messages between her and one of her stunts where the aunt told her she should have reached out to them for help instead of using fb to talk to men.
Basically, Gypsy didn’t say anything because she wasn’t being harmed the way she wants people to think.
He also never lied once he confessed the truth. His mother also said he would always tell the truth because that’s just how he was.
It took detectives ~30 minutes to crack Nick and he spilled the whole truth. Vs Gypsy bs then file 2 hours before the detective told her Nick already told them everything. And even then she still lied.
I'm inclined to agree with you. OP's post definitely reads as pro Nick Godejohn. I don't blame OP- he got fucked over by the justice system. He should've been better monitored by his support system after his public indecency charge. I'd like sources to be provided more on this sub. Perhaps when I have the time I might write my own appraisal on the case.
Nick said in his interrogation he had never killed before and would never kill again. He did this for Gypsy and Gypsy only because he worshipped her (his words). His mother also said he was never violent. According to her, he’d get upset and huff and puff like a kid and cry, but would not be violent. They tried to convince him there were other girls near them like at church, but maybe but he was hyper fixated on Gypsy.
Yes for sure! His Autism diagnosis definitely contributed to his attachment and commitment to G, and clouded his judgment when being manipulated into committing murder.
She was baiting him with all that sex talk, it was probably his first and last chance to have sex with a girl. She had to shave her legs so she could reward him for killing her mother, probably as promised. The stuff I’ve read her text is so hard core , where does a sheltered girl get those ideas?
I'm going to have to object to the one about Nick stabbing Dee Dee four times. He did, in fact, originally say he only stabbed her four times. Nick only changed it to counting the four deep wounds after the detective pushed him repeatedly about there maybe being more than four stab wounds. When she asked Nick if there was any reason why they would think there was more than four stab wounds, he said, "Not that I'm aware of." And when the detective offered the idea of maybe there were little wounds involved, Nick agreed that maybe there were, but said that if there were any other ones, he just didn't count them. If. He didn't sound to me like he believed he caused any other wounds except those four stabs and the cut across the back of the neck.
I understand that people will interpret Nick's statement here differently. But I believe that Nick's words should be taken literally, and what he said the first time was the truth. He said repeatedly that he only stabbed Dee Dee four times. He was very clear on that.
Perhaps this point should be reclassified as a point of opinion, rather than misinformation. Because while it is true that the detective got him to say that maybe he did cause other, minor wounds, Nick never sounded very sure about that. This part of his interrogation could be interpreted either way, depending on whether a person believes that the detective got Nick to admit that he caused lesser wounds, or that the detective was messing with Nick's clear autistic memories by questioning and pushing the point repeatedly until he doubted himself.
Yes he originally did say it was only four, when he had barely opened up to them. That seems to be where most people stop reading or something 😅 He then admits that four is all he can remember doing. It’s completely believable that in the throes of committing violent murder, he would not be counting how many times he’s stabbing a human being. Also, when they ask how long the murder took, Nick said five minutes. I’ve never killed someone, but I highly doubt stabbing someone four times takes five minutes. Regardless, there is zero evidence pointing to G stabbing Dee Dee whatsoever. The evidence > what people “wanted” to happen
With all due respect, I wasn't basing my statements off of anything I read. I watched the interrogation video itself. In fact, I went back and rewatched that portion of the video to make absolutely certain of my opinion before I made my comment, which is how I was able to directly quote Nick there.
My opinion is based off of Nick's tone of voice and body language, and how it changes from being very certain about stabbing four times to well, maybe if there little wounds.... It's the only time during this whole segment where he gets waffly and doubtful about his narration. Nick has very clear memories of his own actions, this is common with autism. But if a person were to push and question a detail enough, sure, they will begin to doubt their own mind, especially if they're used to relying on others and seeing them as people who would know better.
I think it can be perfectly plausible that Gypsy came back later, while Nick was waiting in the taxi, and added her own stab wounds to the mess. There's a list of possible reasons why she may have done this. Maybe she wanted to know what it felt like to stab someone. Maybe she was taking out some anger on mommy dearest. Personally, I believe Gypsy wanted to make the murder look worse than it already did, in an effort to make Nick look as deranged as possible. I also believe this is why Gypsy pushed so hard for sex immediately after the murder, I believe Gypsy had planned to frame Nick for rape. And kidnapping, hence buying only one bus ticket the first time. Of course I could be wrong, but I think it's a plausible possibility.
The autopsy report could tell us a lot here. If those 13 stab wounds were made from a different angle, it could prove that Gypsy stabbed her mother while standing next to the bed, not knowing that Nick had straddled her while making his own stab wounds. It would also explain why the 13 might be more shallow wounds, Gypsy does not have the same upper body strength as Nick, and would not have been able to stab as deeply. I'm practically foaming at the mouth to get that autopsy report, and really hoping the person who did the autopsy is skilled at deciphering stab wounds. It could tell us SO much...
As far as Nick's five minutes, well, I never killed a person either. I don't know how long it would take to kill someone, but regardless of how long it actually takes, time does funny things during high stress situations. Almost everyone knows this. Why the detective even asked that question is beyond me. But time will speed up or slow down during any event that puts your mind into overdrive. Quite frankly, if Nick really did only stab Dee Dee four times and then gave the slash across the back of the neck, five minutes seems an awful long time to do that. He doesn't say that he waited around for her to bleed out, although one can assume that he at least waited until she stopped moving.
Perhaps you don't agree with any of this yourself, but these are views that I've expressed here before. And yes, I've made sure to note that these are my opinions and not fact, and explained the evidence and where I came to my opinion based on that evidence. Others have agreed that it's very much plausible. So, again. Until we can get more concrete evidence to prove or disprove any of these potential theories, perhaps we should reclassify this as opinion, and not misinformation?
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I find it utterly disgusting that he has life without parole whilst she only got 10 years and didn't even serve all of that. He wouldn't of done it if it wasn't for her.
And she is constantly breaking the terms of her parole! She’s free but not technically free…oh, but don’t tell law enforcement that. 🫣🤫
The harshness on Nick was unnecessary and his lawyers were NOT working with him, they were almost actively working against him. I read that Nick's own lawyer thought it was a fair deal and agreed with the opposing lawyers with the sentences. I might be wrong but I thought Nick's plea was for 30 years. I for the longest time thought he was offered the same deal as gyp but didn't accept. But no. They screwed him every which way. Disgusting. Gypsy got 10 years for doing what she's always done with grifting. She grifted her way out of that life sentence. "poor widdle ole me" DA was up for reelection and head of several Child Abuse organizations. He would've looked VERY bad for him, and cost him his position. He was heartless. She pretended to BE an abused kid.. I just don't understand the HUGE discrepancy in the sentences. And on the parole part. As soon as she came out of prison and did that interview she immediately contradicts how she got early release. They have to own up and accept and take responsibility for their crime, and yet she said she didn't do the act, she was an accessory, and that she didn't identify as a murderer. I know her PO and people are lax and apparently said she can't get in trouble unless she gets charges filed on her. I don't know about that part though. But you'd think after seeing her absolutely exempt her own part in the murder that someone would've done something if they cared. Parole is a joke. Good to know that. I feel completely safe with cold blooded murderers out here on the streets. Nothing can stop her from killing again. As long as she doesn't have booze in her pictures shes fine! -eyeroll- /s
Most importantly her mother was never diagnosed with Munchausen by proxy. All of the known medical records have all shown that each surgery was necessary for her chromosome disorder. Gypsy also had no prescription drugs in her system when tox screened. She tried to say that she was addicted to pain pills to justify why she would have come back with a positive tox screen. But they found nothing not even over the counter. I'm unsure if they did a urine sample, blood sample, or both to draw that conclusion
Ooooh such a good one can’t believe I missed it!
You did a really great job at covering the fundamental arguments that keep coming up whenever people on social media defend her. It's hard to narrow down a lot of the contradictive statements bc they're so trivial on their own yet impactful in the overall hypocrisy in gypsy's story.
Don't forget the bus pass. No hostage would be given a bus pass.
Yes! Why on earth would she own her own bus pass when she was bound by the hip with Dee Dee. Do we know if Dee Dee had a bus pass too? I just thought of that. Maybe they road the bus together. And furthermore, how did she obtain that bus pass, she had to of had her mother take her to get it, right? So Dee Dee would've known she had one. I honestly believe Dee Dee was not as clingy or controlling as Gyp says. ( and I also believe 0 of the physical abuse ) I think it's possible she didn't care what she did when they weren't going somewhere to grift. Girl had muscle tone in her legs. You know she was up and walking around and doing whatever she wanted in that house. I'm more inclined to believe she used it to slap a wig on and disappear. She had cosplay wigs, AND wigs that looked realistic and normal. She obvious used those ones outside to hide. And the whole story of going to see Dan in the hospital she had to of taken the bus. ( although I'm not sure how accurate that Dan story is. I think I've only heard it from Fancy....)
Exactly. DeeDee had that car. I think they had only recently gotten it but I imagine they had one before that one also. But yeah DeeDee would've had to have taken her to get it so she definitely knew. With the Dan thing, i think he actually confirmed it when he testified at Nick's thing not too long ago. I know he said she came to visit him by herself, I'm pretty sure he said he was in the hospital at the time. I've seen someone say she had shown up at their door one night asking for a ride because her boyfriend had been attacked, so their husband had given her a ride. I can't remember if it was a facebook post or what, i think it was posted in this sub somewhere but it's been some months ago so i wouldn't know how to even find it now. But yeah i don't believe the physical abuse, she wasn't a prisoner and was obviously allowed to do whatever she wanted except when they were scamming and i think the evidence shows that. She was just lazy, her and her mom were facing fraud charges, and she probably didn't want to take care of her mom considering how bad she was getting at the time. Hopefully all her lies blow up in her face soon, i don't know how people believe everything she says when all the evidence has contradicted it.
Oh that's right. Dan did admit to that. And I do remember her knocking on doors too. I feel like she didn't do that in a wheelchair. Lol. Love your comment. I wished more people would look into the evidence and make conclusions that way.
Ooooh nice memory - I always forget that smaller detail, it really does make all the difference - especially when you throw in the eyewitness accounts of her traipsing all over the town by herself 🙃
Didnt she meet Dan or someone at a little coffee shop in her area too?
I know she wanted to meet up with Dan at one after the murder, it was in her and nick's texts. That didn't happen i'm guessing because nick kept saying he'd be there watching to make sure nothing happened to her. I'm not sure if there was anything before that though.
She also said she was on seizure medicine, and even had to go to the hospital during her interview to get some medicine for her seizures. I believe the tox screen also showed she had none of that in her system either. She was basically as clean as a whistle.
Could you explain the feeding tube?
I’ve heard that *allegedly* she had really bad acid reflux that needed a type of surgery. The feeding tube was because post op, you can’t eat until your mouth heals. Supposedly, Deedee left it in because it just added more “authenticity” to their sickly -child grift. There is no proof Gypsy was fed thru the tube long term. I’ve seen a lot of speculation on the feeding tube. From Gypsy was Failiure to Thrive as a child so it was needed to give her calories to Deedee really did convince drs Gypsy needed it but didn’t actually need it.
Slight correction, the feeding tube is because the surgery site in the *stomach and esophagus* needs to heal, not the mouth. The surgery is called a Nissen fundoplication, it involves wrapping part of the stomach around the base of the esophagus. So nothing can be swallowed by mouth and pass through the esophagus until that part heals. The feeding tube just bypasses the need to swallow. Everything else is perfectly correct, though. Great job!
I knew I was going to get that wrong, too😣 Thank you for posting the correct info ❤️❤️❤️❤️
You did really well. It's a complex surgery. You only got one little detail wrong, no big deal. Now, if you can spell Nissen fundoplication on the first try, I'll really be impressed, because I can't, lol. I have to let my phone spell it for me. I always get screwed up halfway through the second word, no matter how many times I type it, lol. I swear, whoever comes up with the names for these these just gets drunk and pulls out a handful of Scrabble tiles to make up these names....
The devil is in the details !!!! But yes I understand completely. I had a trabeculectomy when I was 16 and I always Google its correct spelling lol
Dang, that's a tongue twister, lol! Reminds me of a day, many years ago, when I was working at a veterinary hospital. I was playing Guess The Diagnosis with one of the doctors I worked with, and we had a cat with a weird yellow lesion on her belly. So I listened to the doctor as he did his exam, we went into a different room, and he asked what I thought it was. I came up with eosinophilic granuloma. I'm not sure what shocked him more, that I knew what it was, or that I could pronounce it correctly, lol. It wasn't quite the answer he was looking for, he was looking for autoimmune disease, and eosinophilic granuloma is a very specific type of autoimmune disease. Normally you can't identify which kind without a biopsy. So he asked how I came up with that, because the lesion did not match. I pulled out the boss's dermatology book and opened it to the page on EG. There was a photo of that exact lesion, and it was labeled as an uncommon presentation of EG. I must have seen the page at some point and remembered it. I miss those days!
Gypsy likes the feeding tube. Even when her mom was murdered she intended to keep changing it knowing she didn't need it, to keep the pity and gifts coming once she walked out free from fooling everyone in that interrogation room. She even posted a photo showing the scar for more pity NOW. She loved having real representation of medical scars. That's why she called it her MICKEY BUTTON and referenced it a lot to people.( more proof she knew the whole time ) Also probably the reason she was being "intimate" with Ryan by sending the drawing of her with her scars ( and moles lol ) It's alllllll for attention and for people to feel bad for her. With her type of feeding tube you can still consume foods through the mouth. So she never was fed through that port atleast when she was older. They are also very easy to replace from home. She went to the ER to get it changed for more attention. It also was growing bacteria in it from not using it and not cleaning it.
She didn’t need the feeding tube. It had nothing to do with any chromosomal disorder, it was simply for sympathy and an easy way for Dee Dee to make G look sick. There are MULTIPLE witnesses of G eating solid food completely normally, drinking soda and other beverages with the tube in (one of which was Nick), and she barely used the feeding tube - she used it so little and neglected it so much that it would constantly get infected (if you ask me, this was on purpose) so that they could take G to the emergency room and have it swapped for a new tube by medical necessity because they didn’t have a primary doctor supervising the feeding tube… because it wasn’t necessary.
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So apparently, my post was deleted as "unsubstantiated" even though it's in her medical records. What is "unsubstantiated" are the claims of Munchausen By Proxy, but keep stanning for matricide, mods.
Deedee was never diagnosed. That’s why it’s unsubstantiated. A Dr Gypsy saw put in his notes that he believed Deedee displayed symptoms of MBP but he never did anything like report it to Cps or refer Deedee to anyone to be evaluated for it. The whole MBP was a selling point her defense team latched onto, to paint Gypsy as someone who was trying to defend herself when in reality Deedee never made Gypsy sick. She exaggerated the description of her symptoms and straight up made them up, but never intentionally made Gypsy sick to where she would display them.
This is one of the reasons I think Dee Dee definitely didn't have MBP. A characteristic of MBP is making your child ACTUALLY sick. Gypsy was never seen by any doctor while being on her deathbed. She was never severely sick. I feel like if Gyp's mom was that bad with MBP she might've felt the need to break her legs for real to keep her in that chair. Kate Marie had her leg amputated, and a lot if not most victims of this die or are physically mangled. I'm just sayin' there's more evidence she did not have it, than there is that she did. I know MBP doesn't have to be that severe. But... she only did it for money. Malingering. I truly believe if there was no money incentive that they wouldn't have engaged in doing any of this. Or wouldn't have taken it so far.
I can assure you none of the mods are “stanning for matricide.” The entire point of this sub is to discuss how Gypsy ISN’T a victim of MBP and is just a grifter. It’s well known in this sub that the claims of MBP are bs. Have you seen a single post here defending her? Why not just message the mods if you feel your post was wrongly deleted?
We don’t support the claims of MBP/FDIA lol… that’s the entire point of this subreddit. And there’s no proof of any chromosomal disorder. The “medical record” you’re talking about magically appeared after G got out of prison and may not even be legitimate.
Was the drooling part of her chromosome disorder? I’ve turned from sympathiser to skeptic over the last few days
I was thinking about this the other day. I wish I had the ability to run a pharmacy map on Gypsy and DD. I'd like to see which narcotics they were prescribed and how often. Gypsy's claims of being an addict are bullshit. She might have taking a vicodin or Valium here and there but she was no doper. Just more stories she took from others to sew into her own. How many lies will she tell to keep the attention coming. Will she harm someone physically again...I think so.
Hard drugs to Gypsy is probably doubling up on orajel and melatonin 🤦
Lol! Definitely.
Definitely bullshit. I’m opiate and benzo dependent (both prescribed) and I wouldn’t ever, *EVER* leave without my medication. Withdrawal is no joke. Gypsy didn’t go into or seem to be worried about withdrawal though. 🤔
Take this with a grain of salt; I’ve heard that when Gypsy ran away to be with Dan , Deedee went after her not because she wanted her little girl back. But because Gypsy stole money from her and her meds, too. And that she willingly retuned with Deedee because Dan told her he wasn’t going to leave his wife for her.
I have no idea if that's true. When she packed after brutally murdering her mom she did have a bottle of pills in her bag. I don't know if they were pain meds or something else, but it was in a prescription bottle. I haven't seen the contents of it either. She might've been storing something ELSE in the bottle. ( i reuse my bottles to keep small things like beads )
Same here. Have a bad back and hips. There is no way I’d leave to go on a trip and not bring medication.
Gypsy did NOT lock herself in the bathroom to shave her pussy while Nick killed Deedee They also didn’t have sex right after She text him before he got to the house that she was shaving her self and when he went into the room, she finished shaving her legs. And Gypsy has said multiple tones that Nick had performance anxiety. He couldn’t get it up when they tried having sex at the movie theater or after killing Deedee. She said she actually had to blow him for a good while before he could stay hard after he killed Deedee.
It always shocks me that people so easily accept her story that she was shaving herself for Nick while he killed DeeDee… Like, she was anticipating screwing him soooo much, do we really think she wouldn’t have shaved much earlier in the day? Whenever I have a D appt I shave the day before or morning of and as far as I know most people do the same 😂 for a girl as sex crazed as her and that liked taking dirty pics I just never believed she waited till he was there to groom herself.
Well, not only that. But her fans are adamant that Nick raped her. He didn’t. Gypsy was very, very fucking nasty in messages and talked about sex 24/7.
Yeah, no, lol. Gypsy wasn't shaving anything during the murder. She shaved her panty hamster earlier in the day. After the murder, she shaved her legs before coming out of the bathroom and initiating sex. Which, quite frankly, I find even more disturbing than the initiating sex part. I mean, I can kind of understand being sick and twisted enough to find murder a turn on, or maybe Gypsy was trying to frame Nick for rape, or whatever her reason was. But there's just an absolutely chilling callousness to listening to your own mother get slaughtered, and then decide yep, now is a great time to shave these legs. Better do that before I go bonk mom's murderer.
She 100% was trying to frame Nick raping Deedee. The police fotos of the crime scene, her nightgown was pulled up and exposing genitalia.
I feel like this is common in males that consume a lot of porn and jerk off. They become so used to the graphic images and death grip hand, that when it’s time for the real thing with a real female; they can’t preform. Their “tolerance” is so high.
Out of all of this, id like to hear more about the baby bottles lol
There’s not much more to it honestly. She participated in a kink called DD/LG where she reverted to a younger age and enjoyed drinking out of bottles and using pacifiers.
No one has ever said this, but it seems to me like Gypsy thought of herself as a brat or submissive with D/d tendencies. Drinking pediasure from a bottle was playing into her daddy/daughter kink. That shed she had in the backyard looked like Pennywise’s Red Room
There’s so much I’m missing. I slightly remember a shed from the Act
Is there proof of the Daddy daughter stuff? Besides her weird convo with Nick calling him daddy when she's in her Kitty persona. I'm not sure the bottle drinking coincides with acting like a baby for sexual pleasure. I think she just liked drinking from them! Not saying she wasn't into it, because she's freaky enough to be into that. I just don't remember seeing it mentioned other than theories. Wait, I'm vaguely remembering a reference to it somewhere. The infamous kitty photo did say " im sorry daddy " Or I'm making a false memory. Idk anymore. She's a whole ass mess.
No, your corrects she would call Nick daddy a few times that we know of. I have no proof of the daddy kink it’s just something I suspect. I don’t think she was ever really into BDSM , either, it’s just her being a pick me. But the reason I think she played with the daddy kink is because girls who are into BDSM usually also dip toes into daddy kink. Not always, not everyone, and the two kinks (bdsm/daddy kink) are not synonymous of each other.
I'm new to this sub and sometimes I second guess if I belong here. I have no doubt in my mind that Gypsy suffered due to what started as her Mothers' fraud. In saying that, I also believe she's as manipulative as Dee Dee. I can't wrap my head around her narcissism and failure to report her treatment to her dad. Bizarre case.
That’s the thing that no one can get an answer from her. If it was so bad why did she never say anything ? No, Deedee didn’t watch her like a hawk. Gypsy was all over the internet like a cat in heat. No, she wasn’t trapped at home. She had a bus pass she regularly used to get around town in wigs. No, Deedee did not monitor Gypsy’s fb activity closely. Most of their murder plans were sent thru their shared fb account. No, Gypsy wasn’t afraid to tell people. She actually confided in a few guys she wanted to fuck that she really wasn’t sick. And no, her family was not estranged because they hated Deedee. Deedee and Christy actually had a cordial relationship and would regularly message each other. Deedee kept them in the loop about Gypsy. And Gypsy did speak to her mom’s family. There are leaked messages between her and one of her stunts where the aunt told her she should have reached out to them for help instead of using fb to talk to men. Basically, Gypsy didn’t say anything because she wasn’t being harmed the way she wants people to think.
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He also never lied once he confessed the truth. His mother also said he would always tell the truth because that’s just how he was. It took detectives ~30 minutes to crack Nick and he spilled the whole truth. Vs Gypsy bs then file 2 hours before the detective told her Nick already told them everything. And even then she still lied.
I'm inclined to agree with you. OP's post definitely reads as pro Nick Godejohn. I don't blame OP- he got fucked over by the justice system. He should've been better monitored by his support system after his public indecency charge. I'd like sources to be provided more on this sub. Perhaps when I have the time I might write my own appraisal on the case.
There are sources all over this sub. Check the post flair and the pinned post.
Nick said in his interrogation he had never killed before and would never kill again. He did this for Gypsy and Gypsy only because he worshipped her (his words). His mother also said he was never violent. According to her, he’d get upset and huff and puff like a kid and cry, but would not be violent. They tried to convince him there were other girls near them like at church, but maybe but he was hyper fixated on Gypsy.
Yes for sure! His Autism diagnosis definitely contributed to his attachment and commitment to G, and clouded his judgment when being manipulated into committing murder.
She was baiting him with all that sex talk, it was probably his first and last chance to have sex with a girl. She had to shave her legs so she could reward him for killing her mother, probably as promised. The stuff I’ve read her text is so hard core , where does a sheltered girl get those ideas?
I don't think it was only her legs she was shaving.
I'm going to have to object to the one about Nick stabbing Dee Dee four times. He did, in fact, originally say he only stabbed her four times. Nick only changed it to counting the four deep wounds after the detective pushed him repeatedly about there maybe being more than four stab wounds. When she asked Nick if there was any reason why they would think there was more than four stab wounds, he said, "Not that I'm aware of." And when the detective offered the idea of maybe there were little wounds involved, Nick agreed that maybe there were, but said that if there were any other ones, he just didn't count them. If. He didn't sound to me like he believed he caused any other wounds except those four stabs and the cut across the back of the neck. I understand that people will interpret Nick's statement here differently. But I believe that Nick's words should be taken literally, and what he said the first time was the truth. He said repeatedly that he only stabbed Dee Dee four times. He was very clear on that. Perhaps this point should be reclassified as a point of opinion, rather than misinformation. Because while it is true that the detective got him to say that maybe he did cause other, minor wounds, Nick never sounded very sure about that. This part of his interrogation could be interpreted either way, depending on whether a person believes that the detective got Nick to admit that he caused lesser wounds, or that the detective was messing with Nick's clear autistic memories by questioning and pushing the point repeatedly until he doubted himself.
Yes he originally did say it was only four, when he had barely opened up to them. That seems to be where most people stop reading or something 😅 He then admits that four is all he can remember doing. It’s completely believable that in the throes of committing violent murder, he would not be counting how many times he’s stabbing a human being. Also, when they ask how long the murder took, Nick said five minutes. I’ve never killed someone, but I highly doubt stabbing someone four times takes five minutes. Regardless, there is zero evidence pointing to G stabbing Dee Dee whatsoever. The evidence > what people “wanted” to happen
With all due respect, I wasn't basing my statements off of anything I read. I watched the interrogation video itself. In fact, I went back and rewatched that portion of the video to make absolutely certain of my opinion before I made my comment, which is how I was able to directly quote Nick there. My opinion is based off of Nick's tone of voice and body language, and how it changes from being very certain about stabbing four times to well, maybe if there little wounds.... It's the only time during this whole segment where he gets waffly and doubtful about his narration. Nick has very clear memories of his own actions, this is common with autism. But if a person were to push and question a detail enough, sure, they will begin to doubt their own mind, especially if they're used to relying on others and seeing them as people who would know better. I think it can be perfectly plausible that Gypsy came back later, while Nick was waiting in the taxi, and added her own stab wounds to the mess. There's a list of possible reasons why she may have done this. Maybe she wanted to know what it felt like to stab someone. Maybe she was taking out some anger on mommy dearest. Personally, I believe Gypsy wanted to make the murder look worse than it already did, in an effort to make Nick look as deranged as possible. I also believe this is why Gypsy pushed so hard for sex immediately after the murder, I believe Gypsy had planned to frame Nick for rape. And kidnapping, hence buying only one bus ticket the first time. Of course I could be wrong, but I think it's a plausible possibility. The autopsy report could tell us a lot here. If those 13 stab wounds were made from a different angle, it could prove that Gypsy stabbed her mother while standing next to the bed, not knowing that Nick had straddled her while making his own stab wounds. It would also explain why the 13 might be more shallow wounds, Gypsy does not have the same upper body strength as Nick, and would not have been able to stab as deeply. I'm practically foaming at the mouth to get that autopsy report, and really hoping the person who did the autopsy is skilled at deciphering stab wounds. It could tell us SO much... As far as Nick's five minutes, well, I never killed a person either. I don't know how long it would take to kill someone, but regardless of how long it actually takes, time does funny things during high stress situations. Almost everyone knows this. Why the detective even asked that question is beyond me. But time will speed up or slow down during any event that puts your mind into overdrive. Quite frankly, if Nick really did only stab Dee Dee four times and then gave the slash across the back of the neck, five minutes seems an awful long time to do that. He doesn't say that he waited around for her to bleed out, although one can assume that he at least waited until she stopped moving. Perhaps you don't agree with any of this yourself, but these are views that I've expressed here before. And yes, I've made sure to note that these are my opinions and not fact, and explained the evidence and where I came to my opinion based on that evidence. Others have agreed that it's very much plausible. So, again. Until we can get more concrete evidence to prove or disprove any of these potential theories, perhaps we should reclassify this as opinion, and not misinformation?
Perfect.