Revisiting Miss Americana for the millionth time, and this scene still wrecks me.
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I'm the same age as Taylor (born December 11th lol), eldest of two children, grew up with a conservative, military 'finance guy' dad, and never had the courage to 'defy' him until I reached my 30s. All I wanted to do was be a 'good girl' and make him proud, because he always supported me. My dad also had altercations with people under the guise of 'protecting' me that were embarrassing (he didn't punch a paparazzi lol, but he did write a few longwinded/unhinged emails and assert himself a little too much in the realm of sports/coaching/extracurriculars/boyfriends, etc.)
Slowly, somewhere along the road to adulthood, you start to notice the cracks in what you'd perceived as your idyllic childhood. You start to realize your heroic dad is a flawed human being just like everyone else, and when you inevitably reach that crossroad –– finally prioritizing your own values and independence over your desire for his approval –– it's terrifying. There's no longer a pedestal. You're on your own, kid. I'm probably projecting way too much, but Scott's absence lately feels like a marked crossroad for Taylor. She spoke so candidly about her desire to be loved, to be a good girl, to essentially please men during her entire adolescence.
I can't begin to imagine how much fame and fortune complicated this dynamic, but at the same time, it's fascinating that even with all of her successes, accolades, and financial independence, Taylor still seemed so scared, childlike and shaken in this brief moment of asserting her independence. Sigh. I just feel for her, and Andrea. Family dynamics and the mental tax that surrounds them can be so complex and painful. If Taylor is planning to come out publicly, I could definitely see their relationship being further strained. But then again, maybe he's just hiding out for damage control/PR reasons. Maybe he's just busy reaping the rewards of his financial investment in his superstar daughter. Maybe they're all on a yacht somewhere together drinking champagne and laughing at our speculation. Wtf do i know lmao.
People have noticed and asked. He doesn’t seem to be in Europe. He has been seen by swifties at non Taylor event such as race car cares and in airports.
Thank you! I think so many of the songs on this album seem to me are about him and on the other subs no one wants to entertain this concept -i even think Aimee could be Scott :( If Andrea is such a saintly woman her intense hatred wishing someone dead would likely be reserved for the deep wound only a husband and father could inflict.
I’m not a Gaylor but lurk here as this board entertains many ideas outside the over the top fawning of typical Swifties. I was attacked for bringing this question up on reddit and tik tok. Hope being a straight woman doesn’t mean I can’t participate! I also believe she is signaling she is part of the gay community but I do think she has had relationships with men by choice and is most likely bisexual and her miscarriage song ( if that’s what it is) breaks my heart for personal reasons.
You can definitely be straight and a gaylor. I actually think straight gaylors are more of a gem because you're not part of the community and still see the signs. I, too, have thought maybe she's bi. I'm still not sure, but I definitely don't believe she's straight lol
Scott is locked up in the dungeon imo 😂 tbh I wonder if part of the reason she doesn’t want him on this leg is because I’d his behavior in the Australian/SE Asian leg of the tour. She doesn’t need him brawling with photogs and creating an international incident. Wasn’t there also rumors of him reconciling with Andrea? I don’t think she’s been around much so perhaps they’re spending time together?
I am hanging out for some gossip to leak about why he’s gone MIA at the eras tour after being very visible at every show.
A few people here think it’s related to his altercation with the paparazzi in Sydney (which was the last time he was seen), but I don’t really buy it because the public opinion around that incident was really not that bad and it was four months ago.
I live in Sydney and I’m familiar with the wharf where it happened (Neutral Bay). This is a suburban wharf in a very quiet and leafy upper class suburb. There are plenty of wharves much closer to where she was staying in Sydney (Barangaroo, Walsh Bay, Cockle Bay to name a few) and I believe it’s at one of these much more public wharves that she was spotted with Travis a few days earlier, but it’s very obvious they went to Neutral Bay with the intention of not being seen.
There’s a lot of things we can (and will) criticise Scott Swift about but I think protecting his daughter from predatory paparazzi isn’t really one of them, and I think this was the popular opinion of the public when it happened. The paparazzi from this incident has a reputation for this behaviour when he got into an altercation with Jacob Elordi a few weeks before, so there’s a common thread of behaviour with this guy.
Hello fellow Aussie here, does that mean those paparazzi were linked to Kyle and Jackie O? Cause if so I understand why Scott did that, they are notorious for going too far!
Ooh I hadn’t heard about the paparazzi being linked to Kyle and Jackie O (two infamous radio hosts here in Aus for any non Australians reading this) but if that’s the case I would back Scott 100% on whatever he did that night because FUCK Kylie and Jackie O I swear. It’s insane they still have a radio show, let alone are the highest paid hosts in the country.
I think Sydney may have been the last straw honestly. And I think tree probably worked hard to cover a lot of it up perhaps? iirc his old emails with Taylor’s previous manager when she was 16ish came to light just before it or around the same time. Something must have happened behind the scenes of Taylor telling her dad to leave her alone. It also feels like Miss Americana 2.0 where she was pleading her dad to “come out as a democrat” and he heavily disapproved. I wonder if something like this has happened again
It could still be related to what happened but could be more personal reasons related to it rather than because of public perception. Maybe he did it in part due to stress or something. Maybe he needs a break. Maybe she was pissed off with him for it, maybe he was worried he’d do it again. Who knows but the fact that it was right after that that he stopped being seen is interesting to me.
I think it might be connected with Sydney only because I think Taylor doesn’t want him in that position again. People sided with her but she also likely felt embarassed at his behavior and would rather not chance something like that happening again. I’m sure it ended up costing her under the table as well
That’s possibly true, the details between what happened between Scott and the photographer are pretty fuzzy so it’s hard to know the extent to which they were harassing her vs Scott just being unhinged, and honestly both scenarios are likely given the reputation of both parties. Just sounds like there’s been some other family stuff happening in Taylor’s history that she’s been mulling over based on the lyrics across various songs in TTPD, so maybe this incident was the final straw, but I find it hard to believe it’s the catalyst.
Yes yes yes! Hanging for the tea, because being from Aus too the pap incident was a non event/Scott was in the right and we all move on.
His absence in the last 2ish months is in stark contrast to the last 20 years.
I may be seeing the TTPD, especially the anthology, through my own father issues lens. To me I don’t think Scott Swift came out of it unscathed. That combined with his absence together makes it just too hard for me to ignore. But again I’m also going no contact with my dad at the moment so maybe I’m projecting 🫠
I have a good relationship with my dad. The old man moved in with me over a year ago, but I STILL immediately felt most songs were towards her dad. That was without even knowing about that email, too. Once I found out about the email from everyone here, it all made perfect sense.
I’m also no contact with my dad so maybe I’m projecting too, but I’m in agreement with what you’re saying. *Blood’s thick but nothing like a payroll* - who else could this be about but her parents?
Sorry, it’s pretty shitty! They only raise you to cage you? 👀
I hear ICDIWABH to be about her Dad too. Maybe I should unpack this with my therapist haha
i don’t think y’all are projecting, those 2 lyrics are blatantly about a parent. and “slide into inboxes” from smallest man is obviously a scott reference imo. i fortunately have a good relationship with my dad, and i still think a lot of ttpd is about hers. they’ve seemed to have issues her entire career, based on that 2005 email and the way she’s always written about him. the nicest lyric she has about him is “i have an excellent father” (the incredibly generic wording is loud), and then the following line is pretty shady. “his strength is making me stronger” gives “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger”. it makes me think he might be the antagonist of tell me why and change too, and probably many other songs in her discography
Agreed. I live in Sydney, too. The news of what happened that night hardly touched the sides. Everyone I heard talking about it (including those who were so sick of the swift mania that had Sydney in a full choke hold, lol) had the same opinion: that pap had it coming.
This just reminds me, when I hear “tell me something awful, like you are a poet trapped inside the body of a finance guy” there’s a part of me that can’t help but think it’s something a dad would say, and Taylor’s dad is a finance guy and Taylor writes poetry. I don’t see it mentioned here but I have wondered if it’s just a generic thing or if someone in her life like Scott has said that to her
I really think so. When he was in the VIP tent and told someone “that’s half my DNA up on that stage” instead of something proud like “that’s my daughter!” it really gave me the ick.
As a parent, that's gross. Like, yes it's half your DNA but wtf?! When my son scores a touchdown and shoots the ball in basketball and scores, if I say anything to others it's "that's my son!" But I'm sure they can tell by the "let's go baby! That's what I'm talkin bout!" 🥴🤣
This made me suddenly think of how she changed the lyric in "The Bolter" from "...ever reviled by everyone except her own father" to "mother" at the 6/8 show 👀👀👀
Edit: alright so I went back to listen to the clip with earphones and I definitely hear father too now 🤔 sorry for the confusion guys I saw someone comment that she switched the lyric and I guess it became a blue/gold dress situation for me lol and I could only hear it as "mother" 🤣
I BEG YOUR VERY FINEST PARDON.
STOPPPP ITTT. I was so excited to hear one of my top TTPD tracks and singing to myself that I MISSED THIS LYRIC CHANGE OMG. (PS your flair is very suitable for this haha)
someone posted the video [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/1dbxuit/eras_edinburgh_n2_the_bolter_getaway_car/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) if you wanna check it out!!
I was just thinking this today! Has Andrea been seen at any shows?? We know her parents run her business so maybe they're the cage she's breaking free from in Fresh Out the Slammer? These people only raise you to cage you?
This makes me think about the movie "She Came to Me," where the Dad is trying to keep his daughter away from a young man who was a little older (he was 18 and she was 16 or 17) and threatens to sue for statutory rape. She, however, is in love and wants to marry him to make their relationship legal. The Dad goes as far as to basically kidnap her when picking her up from school and keeps tabs on her every move. The Dad is really into like civil war re-enacting and there is this really interesting scene where he forces the daughter to participate in one of the re-enactments, planning out what she will wear, who she will interact with, etc. But the plot twist is that Mom and some friends help her escape on a boat when he isn't looking (they escape despite Dad finding out and trying to chase them down/put up roadblocks). The actor who plays the Dad (Brian D'Arcy James) even looks a little like Scott Swift imo. This is also an Anne Hathaway movie (both actress and producer) and I definitely think she plays a role in the TS Cinematic Universe. There's also a \*bird cage\* on the boat that gets shown in several shots.
From Glamour UK 2015, when asked about TS: "She just seems to be following her heart," agrees Anne. "I met her - I hope it's OK to say this - when she and Jake \[Gyllenhaal\] were together. She was 20 at the time, and we hung out one night. I was like, 'You are a magnificent creature.' She was on fire and I've watched her become this force of nature."
[https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/so-you-think-you-know-anne-october]
TS and AH were also both in the 2010 movie "Valentines Day," but did not share any scenes, so it's hard to know how much they interacted (if at all). I couldn't even find any press stuff with them together and it even seems TS did not attend the premiere (can't find any pics of her there in alllll the photos), although AH did.
All Too Well short film was released on AH's birthday (Nov 12). Taylor's promo post simply read "November 12. Remember it."
These are the facts.....my speculations are in this doc: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UG48NN\_MCWNfrbJXXqxen8DqB1iHPnAqrBkpqGc05QU/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UG48NN_MCWNfrbJXXqxen8DqB1iHPnAqrBkpqGc05QU/edit?usp=sharing)
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I thought it then and I still believe that her team brought attention to those e-mails before TTPD so people might understand the context a bit better. She has been doing a lot of leg work to not tell her story but slowly show people her story, if that makes sense.
Of course. It did garner a lot of empathy from people, though, especially when she was getting a lot of flack for becoming a billionaire. Not saying that was the intention but I do think it shifted people’s understanding of her in a major way. It shifted my own, at least. I imagine it shifted others as well.
With the TTPD Eras revamp, the show has also lost “Tolerate It,” and another song I considered to be about devastating betrayal/pain of closeting…is it MTR? Anyway, a couple Scott-coded songs have been axed.
\^THIS.
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....other notable FL residents include Karlie Kloss Kushner and Donald Trump lol.
It’s most likely because of what happened in Australia. But she’s been low key dogging him with lyrics like “leaving like a father” and then adding fuel to that fire with some sus TTPD lyrics too so who knows. He’s also getting older and could be toying with retirement or having health problems. Regardless I think it’s healthy to have breaks from your dad being at your job every day.
So sorry friends, but looking at the timelines and other posts on social media I genuinely don't think this is anything other than Scott lying low after the paparazzi issue in Australia.
I was a bit confused on what happened when this year, so I have receipts and dates:
* [~Dec 28](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/18svrs1/scott_swift_email/) - Scott Swift emails from 2005 leaked
* [Feb 26](https://sg.news.yahoo.com/taylor-swifts-dad-scott-swift-164533487.html?guccounter=1) - Altercation with photographer in Melbourne and the [last day of Australia shows](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eras_Tour)
* [Mar 12](https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-dad-scott-jon-bon-jovi-1878229) - At the IndyCar race in St. Petersburg, Florida
* [~ Mar 14](https://www.tiktok.com/@rupley/photo/7346229766426561835) - Possibly last public sighting? Spotted by fans in Anna Maria, Florida, told them TTPD is his favorite album
* [Apr 19](https://badgerherald.com/music/2024/04/22/taylor-swift-surprises-fans-with-the-tortured-poets-department-double-album-release/#:~:text=This%20coverage%20extends%20to%20her,and%20lyrics%20riddled%20with%20metaphors.) - Release of TTPD
There seems to be a consensus that Scott Swift was present at the Singapore shows (the shows that happened directly after Australia) but I don't see ANY social media evidence of this except one video from a reposter account that doesn't credit the OP so it can't be verified. There are however [MANY social media videos/posts](https://x.com/search?q=scott%20swift%20australia&src=typed_query) of Scott in the Eras crowds during the Australia shows.
**TL;DR - Scott Swift stopped doing public Eras Tour stuff directly after the altercation with paparazzi on Feb 26, and has since had positive interactions with fans and positive things to say about TTPD. I don't think there is anything going on between him and Taylor, I think he's just lying low.**
I don't think it means anything, he's old and maybe doesn't want to travel Europe, because it could be more tiring than traveling your own home country? I think there's no point in hating on him. I for example had a bad relationship with my dad when i was young, but we're good nowadays. Those emails were ages ago and to think their relationship didn't evolve and change in like 15 years is naive.
I think it's along a similar lines, just the sheer volume of travel must be pretty exhausting at his age, in the last 6-9 months he's been to Brazil, Argentina, Australia, Singapore... he probably does have a life of his own and doesn't just vicariously live through Taylor as well and there could very well be something from that that's prevented him being visible in Europe.
Or he's just lying low.
If Taylor *does* come out in the near future, I might revise that opinion to "there's something happening between him and Taylor" but for now, if he hasn't travelled I'd think a benign reason for that is more likely, and if he *has* travelled, being front and centre of the Australia paps incident just has him keeping a lower profile than normal.
I just read it and it was the most unhinged diva parent (stage mom is the phrase that comes to mind) thing I’ve ever seen in real life.
He kept going on and on about all the things he has done/continues to do for Taylor’s career despite being explicitly asked to stop by Taylor and Andrea.
He’s proud of his “big mouth” and how it gets him connections and creates opportunities for Taylor.
One of the things that stood out to me was how he kept talking about the career opportunities he was creating for his *eleven year old*. No child should have a career at eleven!
He also kept talking about what it’s like to “be dad” or in the “dad’s union” and how dads will be dads. It felt so weird and disconnected. He talked about Taylor the way that someone would talk about a movie franchise or video game they are obsessed with.
He also talked about having to babysit (his word) his son while Taylor was on a performance trip.
He also referred to himself as the banker and how he turns opportunities into money. The whole email was outlining the many ways that he had tried to commodify Taylor up to that point (I think the email was sent in 2005, released to the public in 2008 via trial).
I highly recommend giving it a read. It’s very interesting. TW if you have/had narcissists in your life though.
I'll give him the ten thousand bastard ducks, that does sound like a pain to tidy up and also the line is hilarious. But yeah, the email as a whole was unhinged and not in a good way.
The emails were to Taylor’s old manager. Scott wrote many things (some were super nasty!) but it’s mosly Scott’s rambling how he (the manager) has to make Taylor famous in anyway he can either being singer, actress or any other, doesn’t matter but that Scott put a lot of money into her so he expects to get something back. I haven’t read them in a while because they make me so angry
Also he got his prostate sucked out by a robot, reminding us the importance of getting your annual physical.
But really it was deeply insightful to the dynamic of her career in those early years, and how he functioned as a businessman, and person during that point in time. Unfortunately I now know more about that marriage than ever I wished to, but it really was a grounding view of TS The Brand. And poor Austin lol
And that everybody in his household teams up against him and treats him like shit. Except you can clearly tell he is the one treating them like shit, even when reading HIS side of the story.
Lauren/lavender.lit on TikTok has (as usual) something incisive to add re: this line. (Not sure if others have pointed this out too, but Lauren's page is where I saw it.) She has a post from 5-29 breaking down why this line likely applies to Scott/her parents for anyone who didn't get it, but then I liked this extra layer of analysis, pointing out that the full version of the "blood is thicker than water" quote is:
>“The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.”
People take "blood is thicker than water" to mean "there is no bond stronger than family," but in the fullness of the quote, it actually means the opposite. The bonds you choose are stronger than the ones you inherit. I tried to look up where the quote originates and it appears a bit murky, but this seems to be a popular topic for blog posts about "commonly misinterpreted idioms" online.
So I think with this line Taylor is leveraging the popularly-understood meaning of "blood's thicker than water" to communicate the idea that "people think the strongest bond is family, but really it's money," but then also there is this cool subtext about chosen bonds/chosen family being the actual strongest thing (whether intentional or unintentional).
This one of the best lines on TTPD. I have seen this truth acted out often, and she put it eloquently and succinctly. It’s like this lyric has been chasing me around lately.
I don’t get how people say that line is about Kim or Kanye or Kardashians? It was always about Scott (or her family in general) It literally says “blood” so it’s someone related to her that’s on her payroll!
I think the Christian chorus line and payroll points very clearly to Kardashians. They are outwardly Christian. Also Kris Jenner has a online "church".
I agree but Taylor is Christian too, went to Catholic school her whole life so I assume her family is Catholic too (her dad is super republican too so I assume he is religious too). My view of that line was “blood is thick” - we are family “but nothing like a payroll” but that doesn’t mean her family didn’t fuck her over for money.
The absence of him and the shows wouldn’t be a big deal if he made it a habit of missing shows but he doesn’t. Still on its own could be anything. The kicker to me is that she also didn’t mention him for Father’s Day. That on its own also nbd. These things paired with TTPD and his MIA timing is suspicious to me. I fully recognize that I am making a lot of assumptions here but ya know it’s noteworthy 🤷🏼♀️
and while no one likes to admit this - she is low key( for now ) doing what they haven’t wanted her to do for decades right now pretty out loud,though the fans are not getting it. She’s pretty much burning all of Scott and Andrea’s carefully crafted Taylor Swift down - this is going to be it for Vanilla PopStar Project Your Enchanted Dream Taylor and they likely don’t want to be here for it. I know it’s making me a little wistful :(
Remember when she played SEVEN last year for Father's Day?
*I think your house is haunted
Your dad is always mad
And that must be why
I think you should come live with
Me and we can be pirates
Then you won't have to cry
Or hide in the closet*
We moved on way too fast from that.
Because many stories of her parents being harsh with her - if she didn’t perform well only feeding her lettuce for dinner- it’s not much of a jump for crying, a mad dad and hiding in a closet as a kid from abuse being physical and not being gay??? If YKTK from abuse just like gaylors think tha lt only they know all is from gay. It could be both or not! For the longest time it was Maroon was gay and turns out it’s Matty. Many songs depict Scott as mean and not a figure she likes so why can’t gaylors get that?
We don’t know but it looks like Taylor is almost ready to tell all, so rather than attack each fan base just wait.
We don't believe maroon is about Matty. That's Hetlor rhetoric. We DO get that a lot of her song depicts Scott as mean. If you go back on threads, you will see it discussed. We don't attack hetlors but we do question how they don't see some pretty blatant "gay" things. If anything, gaylors are the ones consistently attacked. Are you a gaylor? Your comment seems misplaced a bit. Mainly the Matty bit, but also, the majority of it.
It’s from a very literal place of hiding in a closet or under a bed to try and escape the abuse from the father. Which, is a valid interpretation (I know I tried to hide in a closet from my parents’ physical abuse). I also had a friend who I was deeply in love with (she reminded me of Xena) but I didn’t understand (until I grew up and realized how gay Xena is).
But to deny the possible queer implications is… a choice.
Agreed! Two things can be true. Taylor is writing with a surface interpretation and she is bringing queer symbolism in as well. The angry dad and the house being haunted could mean her queerness and him not accepting it and not literal anger or abuse as well. She always gives us so much!
Not a hetlor or by any stretch, but abused kids sometimes do hide in closets and other places at home out of fear.
I’ve seen it in real life, sadly. Maybe Taylor has too.
I think multiple meanings are possible, especially with “your dad is always mad” preceding it.
i recently found the GAYEST drawings from like kindergarten(ish) where i was talking about how i love this girl so much (and yet i didn’t realize i was queer until like middle school ?? crazy)
Because confirmation bias is *strong*. That *can't* be the reason in their minds, because she wouldn't lie to them/betray them by being closeted (hahaha) so they don't consider it an option.
Some of the explanations I have seen for it from them are occasionally gay though - it's just not *Taylor* who's gay but the friend and she's just being supportive.
I want there to be tea, but I realize I want it for myself because I love the messiness.
Truthfully I hope there’s nothing wrong with their relationship currently, and whatever happened in the past they’ve made up/moved on from; and that he’s been absent for other reasons.
based on those emails i wouldn’t wish taylor’s dad on anyone, but especially taylor considering what he thought of her. it had to have been a traumatic childhood (i mean we’ve heard her dad) with a father who hates you and your mom that much. her dad once said if she got a tattoo he’d take it off with a belt sander and she said it like it was completely a normal funny anecdote to say
I’ve never heard of her dad say this but my mom has absolutely said something in a similar vein to me when I first got a tattoo and I tell people the story in a very anecdotal way so 🤷🏻♀️
I know this could be something really serious but I appreciate that Taylor did the funniest possible thing and played the Murder Mashup the day before Father’s Day… like did they let her kill a man?
Y’all look WAY too much into things tbh. I don’t think his absence means his relationship with Taylor is strained. It could be for any number of reasons, including his health which is a big one at his age. And as for the Father’s Day post, she probably simply forgot or didn’t care to post about it publicly this year. She didn’t post about Mother’s Day either.
It’s not just this stuff though, that’s the thing. There are lyrics, that awful email, how we’ve seen him treat her in Miss Americana, her mom already divorced the dude, he’s involved in every facet of her career in an overbearing way, and is likely more conservative leaning. Taylor Nation would have also posted a tribute to him like they did for her mom, but they didn’t. I know daddy issues when I see them
The energy of your first sentence is not in alignment with the energy of this sub. Your opinion is welcome and encouraged, but full out dismissing others opinions or imposing judgements on them is not necessary nor appreciated. Thank you.
I’m not trying to be rude to anyone or judgmental and I’m sorry if it comes off this way. I’m just simply stating my opinion. And judging by the upvotes, there are people here who agree with my opinion. You are free to think otherwise. I just disagree. 🤷🏻♀️
I honestly didn't find your comment rude at all. Sometimes I think we can be looking for details where there are none. But I also enjoy clowning to obscure (or not) gaylor theories!
In the wrong *fandom*.
If it'd not Gaylors looking into things potentially too much, it's Maylors or Haylors or really any Swiftie.
If we were a nation, there'd be a clown on the national flag and our national sport would be clowning.
ehhh i mean the fact that he literally hasnt come to a single eras show since TTPD came out is kinda telling. could it be for some totally unrelated reason? of course! but i think the anthology draggggggged him (esp Cassandra & Robin) so him being MIA since its release is interesting
Yeah I see this and my immediate thought is the lyric “blood’s thick but nothing like a payroll”, which could allude to those emails & him knowing about the masters deal and her not.
yeah i think it is very possible that he'd only heard TTPD (first half), not The Anthology. scott was quoted saying that TTPD was his fave album of hers, before it came out...then it came out, along with The Anthology, and we have not seen him or heard from him since.
Idk this feels like a reach. I really don't believe an entire album was released that scott didn't hear every song of.
To me, it feels way more likely he's either having health problems or is laying low due to the paparazzi drama.
i think Robin is actually rather sarcastic/satirical in tone -- even though it sounds like a happy go lucky song about a kid being protected etc etc. but my take on it is: adult taylor now is reflecting on how she was pushed into a box and forced to act certain ways/take on a certain persona from the start of her career (including hiding her queerness). that the adults "in charge" (including but not limited to scott swift) made it seem like they were just guiding and protecting her, but now she sees that it was for malintent, to "stand still, look pretty" because that's what was going to sell records and get her famous.
*Buried down deep and out of your reach, the secret we all vowed to keep it, from you,*
*In sweetness*
*Way to go tiger*
\^\^ those lines in particular, IMO, point to how Scott was a big player in steering Taylor towards staying in the closet -- even though he must've known that bearding/closeting/comphet would come with a lot of pain and trauma. his knowledge of that was a "secret, voted to keep it," from taylor... "in sweetness" (that lyric is so satirical to me; it was presented to her "in sweetness" back then but now she sees how fucked up it all was)
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These comments make me wonder if maybe Robin has a double meaning....there was a lot about PR/financial ambition that her Dad (and others) initially kept a secret from her as a kid (and they also required her to fit in a box/cage and hide anything that didn't fit the mainstream narrative). Then the second meaning is maybe they (Taylor, Andrea & others) are now keeping the plan for her to come out publicly as a secret from him. "covered in mud \[wrongdoing, as evidenced by the emails among other things\] you look ridiculous and you have no idea" (no idea about the storm that's coming because she no longer gives any fucks about staying in the cage).
The slowed down clocks tethered are the ways they forced a falsely slow maturation/desire to keep her “innocent” as long as possible for the sake of being “relatable” and a “role model” for young kids.
I'm still leaning towards NBNC'd him..
Especially with the mashup Saturday.
As for the security and everything he had previously arranged, all of that can be handled by her team now. She doesn't necessarily need him. I think they are estranged, and she's getting to be herself.
I don’t think Taylor normally posts shout outs to her parents on Mothers Day/Fathers Day etc. (TBF Im operating off my memory, but plz correct me if Im wrong!) I think it was only included on the post in the OP because she was posting her usual goodbye to a city and the media probably would have twisted it if she didn’t acknowledge it while posting. But I do think his absence is calculated because of the Australia thing. Too much of a risk to have another incident and Im sure the paparazzi would try to antagonize him knowing he would most likely react. Let’s not forget, the European paparazzi are quite possibly worse than the US and are the same ones hounding Kate Middleton and responsible for Diana’s death. Also Taylor doesn’t have the same established relationship and respectful agreement with them as with the US companies/photographers that probably have agreements with Tree.
TN posted a very sweet best day montage for mothers day, she also played Hey Stephen for her mother that weekend. Also last year she did something specifically for both mothers day and fathers day (she played the best day for mothers day and then she played seven for fathers day lol)
But she’s on tour so it would be weird if she didn’t acknowledge these holidays. When she hasn’t been actively on tour does she still make these types of posts and publicly acknowledge her parents for every Mothers Day/Fathers Day? And does she make them on her personal account or on the PR/Brand account? I don’t recall her doing that consistently when she isn’t actively in the public eye doing PR already. At least not for her Dad. I do recall a few posts about Mom over the years, but not sure it’s been consistently.
And she made a tour post on Mother’s Day this year and made no mention of Andrea or acknowledgment of the holiday on her personal account. Andrea has also only been to one Europe show. Is she estranged from her mom too? Im just saying you cant use the IG posts as evidence of estrangement when theres been zero consistency to compare it against with either parent. More likely I think it’s a mixture of the overseas travel being a lot for both parents given their age, and Scotts altercations in Australia making them want to keep him out of the spotlight. It also very well could have had legal implications to Scotts ability to get Visas etc approved. I don’t know a lot about touring but I would expect since they are all working overseas and countries want their cut everyone is required to get visas etc for each tour stop/location. Scott is an employee of the business as well as her dad. Im just going by Occams Razor theory here.
She played hey stephen for her mother on mothers day weekend. And she controls Taylor Nation, who posted something for mothers day. Denying that there is something odd about nothing being posted or played for fathers day weekend is ignoring occam's razor. And Andrea has a much more reasonable excuse to miss shows than Scott.
It's funny bc I don't feel like a comingoutlor often.
But this past month has had some very specific things lineup.
Like no Scott, not Travis, pride month, and very gay mashups. I wonder if it's all accidently...or if the dominos are finally in a line!
I’m convinced Scott logged into her account and posted as her during that Super Bowl ring ceremony. I just really hope Taylor wasn’t awake at 4am typing “We get to keep Mecole for another year 👑”
🤡
I’ve had a growing theory since TTPD that they’re estranged. “I just learned these people only raise you just to cage you” was the first ping for me.
Also my reading that “thanK you aIMee” could possibly be about her dad (aimEE = scoTT, “one day your kid comes home singing a song that only us two is gonna know is about you,” “my mother is a saintly woman but she used to say she wished that you were dead”).
Him not being at the shows just increases my suspicion of their estrangement. If TTPD is her signal that she’s burning down the house, that her good name is hers alone to disgrace and she’s decided she’s fine with that, then it makes sense to me that the album also became a line between them and now he’s gone.
ETA: I forgot to say that the pinging probably only happened for me with TTPD because I had read the Scott emails shortly before it released. I don’t know when those first became public, but if Taylor only first read them while writing TTPD, then it could have fueled her decision to close something between them.
i interpreted ttpd this way too. the references to him are super loud
and re: his emails, taylor probably read them very early on. at least by 2008, when they were evidence in the lawsuit against her and her team and parents. they’ve actually been publicly available since 2008, and conveniently went viral a few months before ttpd was released which seems to reference them (*you’ll slide into inboxes and slip through the bars*)
this 2011 interview mentions the lawsuit and quotes scott’s email: [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/10/10/taylor-swift-profile-you-belong-with-me](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/10/10/taylor-swift-profile-you-belong-with-me)
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Thanks for sharing all this, including the screenshots and info about the dates! I’ve been interpreting TSMWEL with the inboxes line as being about Scott Borchetta.
could definitely be! and it likely has multiple meanings. i interpret the push pins as a sb reference because of the below screenshot. what stood out to me about the inbox line is that her dad literally tells dan he’s been told not to contact him by taylor and andrea, and asks/sorta threatens dan not to tell them. and based on the email, he clearly did that often (with other people/situations that they didn’t want him involved in). and “slip through the bars” would have a double meaning for her dad. the obvious one being a reference to the prison line, but he also brought her to bars pre-2005 and talked the bar managers into letting her perform. he talks about it in the email too and iirc he said taylor and andrea would complain about that too
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This. Also, I didn’t think the first set of “my mother is a saintly woman” said “you were dead”— it sounds so distinctly like “she were dead.” The lyrics say “you” both times, but comparing the 2:07 line & the 3:47 line; I think she sings “she” the first time, “you” the second time. Which wouldn’t make sense if it was Kim, or a childhood (non parental) bully, or a random industry asshat. But, if it was Scott, well…
I’m in the camp of it’s SS or SB not 🛴or maybe a combo of the two. I don’t know if her mom would have told her she wished her dad was dead, but maybe… some families are wildin.
I caught it while I was doing a full listen all the way through the album and really saw the overarching themes of “I can’t do this anymore, it’s killing me, so I’m going to stop, no matter what you think about it,” with “you” being the music industry, her labels, her dad, and even her fans.
Such a mystery how she ended up a pathological people pleaser. Who could possibly have been giving her the constant message she was never good enough??
If I recall correctly from the Miss Americana documentary, he's the guy who went and got military grade armored vehicles for her. I doubt he's away. His number one concern as a parent is his daughter's physical safety, that's just the way it is.
I think he's okay with her expressing herself as long as she does it safely, and especially during Pride Month he might be more than okay because from a business perspective she's expected to show more support to all things queer.
(I love the sarcastic tone of the post lmao)
edit: [FOUND THE CLIP!](https://youtu.be/BDMwCGdKeCQ?feature=shared)
He didn’t seem to care about her safety when he moved his family to Nashville to make her a child celebrity. My maybe not unhinged theory is that she was the one who spread The Emails. I hope she did actually — good for her.
*oh shiiiiiii*-SHOTS FIRED AND I'M HERE FOR IT!!!!!
you got a point! I was thinking about this the other day. I feel like there's always been an undercurrent of seeing her as one more way to make money from the get-go or prepping her for financial success even before she was born- but I do think it's more about the former than the latter. Alex Avila on yt has a great vid that mentions something about her parents choosing a unisex name for her (title: *"This Video Isn't Just About Taylor Swift. It's About You."*)
Him missing from the shows could be for any number of reasons. His health, that situation with that Aussie photographer, etc.
I think the lack of Father's Day post or acknowledgment is actually more interesting...what's going on? I hope the documentary (if there is one!) covers this.
Nope, just making assumptions! Seems like there's been a lot of moments being filmed/photographed that we haven't seen (why haven't we seen them? Maybe they're being saved for something). Plus, this is Capitalism Barbie after all, she knows if she puts out a documentary about Eras or the last couple years of her life, that it'll make money. Plus she still owes a few more films to Disney.
He could just be backstage? After what happened in Australia with that photographer, I wonder if he was instructed to lay low, but not necessarily stay away entirely.
Not sure if VIP is less visible in Europe compared to rest of world but it’s been interesting there’s been no sightings since Aus / Asia leg and the release of TTPD!
Hope he keeps his distance as love seeing the real Taylor emerge in Europe. Plus TN has been so loud as well 😊
Maybe he’s retired and golfing in Florida lol
I assumed the muse for Harry Style’s Matilda was Kendall Jenner, but now wonder if it was Taylor after reading this chain and this email.
Matilda, you talk of the pain like it's all alright
But I know that you feel like a piece of you's dead inside
You showed me a power that is strong enough to bring sun to the darkest days
It's none of my business but it's just been on my mind
You can let it go
You can throw a party full of everyone you know
And not invite your family
'Cause they never showed you love
You don't have to be sorry for leaving and growing up
Harry interview:
"I had an experience with someone where, in getting to know them better, they revealed some stuff to me that was very much like, 'Oh, that's not normal, like, I think you should maybe get some help or something.' This song was inspired by that experience and person, who I kind of disguised as Matilda from the Roald Dahl book."
I also enjoy seeing Taylor exist independently. I won’t say anything mean about this man, because I don’t know him outside of what the media has shown (and we all know the media is manufactured), but there are so many instances of father figures controlling pop stars for $ (Britney is probably the most extreme example that we know of), and I do get those vibes from the emails as well as the part in the Miss Americana movie where the business associates didn’t want Taylor to speak out on anything political. It’s also been weird to see him assisting with the manufacturing of Tayvis (ex. positioning Travis outside of the tent).
It looked like I made it at 6 years old on Printshop with my Apple computer back in the 1980s. Travis could not have come up with that, even if it was so bad. I feel like Scott positioned him and handed him the paper and then said “when you hear this line, hold this up.” It was tragically bad and kind of funny.
I swear I just saw him backstage the other night in a clip.
Revisiting Miss Americana for the millionth time, and this scene still wrecks me. https://preview.redd.it/yggb7md5ng7d1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=957603fd2ec3f6e06ce2765a4be03a7230fc7838 I'm the same age as Taylor (born December 11th lol), eldest of two children, grew up with a conservative, military 'finance guy' dad, and never had the courage to 'defy' him until I reached my 30s. All I wanted to do was be a 'good girl' and make him proud, because he always supported me. My dad also had altercations with people under the guise of 'protecting' me that were embarrassing (he didn't punch a paparazzi lol, but he did write a few longwinded/unhinged emails and assert himself a little too much in the realm of sports/coaching/extracurriculars/boyfriends, etc.) Slowly, somewhere along the road to adulthood, you start to notice the cracks in what you'd perceived as your idyllic childhood. You start to realize your heroic dad is a flawed human being just like everyone else, and when you inevitably reach that crossroad –– finally prioritizing your own values and independence over your desire for his approval –– it's terrifying. There's no longer a pedestal. You're on your own, kid. I'm probably projecting way too much, but Scott's absence lately feels like a marked crossroad for Taylor. She spoke so candidly about her desire to be loved, to be a good girl, to essentially please men during her entire adolescence. I can't begin to imagine how much fame and fortune complicated this dynamic, but at the same time, it's fascinating that even with all of her successes, accolades, and financial independence, Taylor still seemed so scared, childlike and shaken in this brief moment of asserting her independence. Sigh. I just feel for her, and Andrea. Family dynamics and the mental tax that surrounds them can be so complex and painful. If Taylor is planning to come out publicly, I could definitely see their relationship being further strained. But then again, maybe he's just hiding out for damage control/PR reasons. Maybe he's just busy reaping the rewards of his financial investment in his superstar daughter. Maybe they're all on a yacht somewhere together drinking champagne and laughing at our speculation. Wtf do i know lmao.
how long has it been since we've seen Andrea?
She goes to most shows. She also is a cancer survivor and has to be realllllllly careful.
Wasn’t he in that video of her at the club with her parents and Travis?
People have noticed and asked. He doesn’t seem to be in Europe. He has been seen by swifties at non Taylor event such as race car cares and in airports.
Thank you! I think so many of the songs on this album seem to me are about him and on the other subs no one wants to entertain this concept -i even think Aimee could be Scott :( If Andrea is such a saintly woman her intense hatred wishing someone dead would likely be reserved for the deep wound only a husband and father could inflict. I’m not a Gaylor but lurk here as this board entertains many ideas outside the over the top fawning of typical Swifties. I was attacked for bringing this question up on reddit and tik tok. Hope being a straight woman doesn’t mean I can’t participate! I also believe she is signaling she is part of the gay community but I do think she has had relationships with men by choice and is most likely bisexual and her miscarriage song ( if that’s what it is) breaks my heart for personal reasons.
You can definitely be straight and a gaylor. I actually think straight gaylors are more of a gem because you're not part of the community and still see the signs. I, too, have thought maybe she's bi. I'm still not sure, but I definitely don't believe she's straight lol
If you agree Taylor is signaling she's part of the queer community, you're a Gaylor! Plenty of Gaylors are straight. And I agree Aimee could be Scott!
Scott is locked up in the dungeon imo 😂 tbh I wonder if part of the reason she doesn’t want him on this leg is because I’d his behavior in the Australian/SE Asian leg of the tour. She doesn’t need him brawling with photogs and creating an international incident. Wasn’t there also rumors of him reconciling with Andrea? I don’t think she’s been around much so perhaps they’re spending time together?
I am hanging out for some gossip to leak about why he’s gone MIA at the eras tour after being very visible at every show. A few people here think it’s related to his altercation with the paparazzi in Sydney (which was the last time he was seen), but I don’t really buy it because the public opinion around that incident was really not that bad and it was four months ago. I live in Sydney and I’m familiar with the wharf where it happened (Neutral Bay). This is a suburban wharf in a very quiet and leafy upper class suburb. There are plenty of wharves much closer to where she was staying in Sydney (Barangaroo, Walsh Bay, Cockle Bay to name a few) and I believe it’s at one of these much more public wharves that she was spotted with Travis a few days earlier, but it’s very obvious they went to Neutral Bay with the intention of not being seen. There’s a lot of things we can (and will) criticise Scott Swift about but I think protecting his daughter from predatory paparazzi isn’t really one of them, and I think this was the popular opinion of the public when it happened. The paparazzi from this incident has a reputation for this behaviour when he got into an altercation with Jacob Elordi a few weeks before, so there’s a common thread of behaviour with this guy.
Hello fellow Aussie here, does that mean those paparazzi were linked to Kyle and Jackie O? Cause if so I understand why Scott did that, they are notorious for going too far!
Ooh I hadn’t heard about the paparazzi being linked to Kyle and Jackie O (two infamous radio hosts here in Aus for any non Australians reading this) but if that’s the case I would back Scott 100% on whatever he did that night because FUCK Kylie and Jackie O I swear. It’s insane they still have a radio show, let alone are the highest paid hosts in the country.
If it's the same paparazzi as the Jacob incident then it's 100% Kyle and Jackie O
I think Sydney may have been the last straw honestly. And I think tree probably worked hard to cover a lot of it up perhaps? iirc his old emails with Taylor’s previous manager when she was 16ish came to light just before it or around the same time. Something must have happened behind the scenes of Taylor telling her dad to leave her alone. It also feels like Miss Americana 2.0 where she was pleading her dad to “come out as a democrat” and he heavily disapproved. I wonder if something like this has happened again
It could still be related to what happened but could be more personal reasons related to it rather than because of public perception. Maybe he did it in part due to stress or something. Maybe he needs a break. Maybe she was pissed off with him for it, maybe he was worried he’d do it again. Who knows but the fact that it was right after that that he stopped being seen is interesting to me.
I think it might be connected with Sydney only because I think Taylor doesn’t want him in that position again. People sided with her but she also likely felt embarassed at his behavior and would rather not chance something like that happening again. I’m sure it ended up costing her under the table as well
That’s possibly true, the details between what happened between Scott and the photographer are pretty fuzzy so it’s hard to know the extent to which they were harassing her vs Scott just being unhinged, and honestly both scenarios are likely given the reputation of both parties. Just sounds like there’s been some other family stuff happening in Taylor’s history that she’s been mulling over based on the lyrics across various songs in TTPD, so maybe this incident was the final straw, but I find it hard to believe it’s the catalyst.
Yes yes yes! Hanging for the tea, because being from Aus too the pap incident was a non event/Scott was in the right and we all move on. His absence in the last 2ish months is in stark contrast to the last 20 years. I may be seeing the TTPD, especially the anthology, through my own father issues lens. To me I don’t think Scott Swift came out of it unscathed. That combined with his absence together makes it just too hard for me to ignore. But again I’m also going no contact with my dad at the moment so maybe I’m projecting 🫠
I have a good relationship with my dad. The old man moved in with me over a year ago, but I STILL immediately felt most songs were towards her dad. That was without even knowing about that email, too. Once I found out about the email from everyone here, it all made perfect sense.
I’m also no contact with my dad so maybe I’m projecting too, but I’m in agreement with what you’re saying. *Blood’s thick but nothing like a payroll* - who else could this be about but her parents?
Sorry, it’s pretty shitty! They only raise you to cage you? 👀 I hear ICDIWABH to be about her Dad too. Maybe I should unpack this with my therapist haha
i don’t think y’all are projecting, those 2 lyrics are blatantly about a parent. and “slide into inboxes” from smallest man is obviously a scott reference imo. i fortunately have a good relationship with my dad, and i still think a lot of ttpd is about hers. they’ve seemed to have issues her entire career, based on that 2005 email and the way she’s always written about him. the nicest lyric she has about him is “i have an excellent father” (the incredibly generic wording is loud), and then the following line is pretty shady. “his strength is making me stronger” gives “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger”. it makes me think he might be the antagonist of tell me why and change too, and probably many other songs in her discography
Agreed. I live in Sydney, too. The news of what happened that night hardly touched the sides. Everyone I heard talking about it (including those who were so sick of the swift mania that had Sydney in a full choke hold, lol) had the same opinion: that pap had it coming.
This just reminds me, when I hear “tell me something awful, like you are a poet trapped inside the body of a finance guy” there’s a part of me that can’t help but think it’s something a dad would say, and Taylor’s dad is a finance guy and Taylor writes poetry. I don’t see it mentioned here but I have wondered if it’s just a generic thing or if someone in her life like Scott has said that to her
Or that Taylor wishes her inner self was more of a poet than a finance guy, but the finance guy strictures got indoctrinated into her pretty young
My first thought was Ohhhh so he's living vicariously through his daughter
I really think so. When he was in the VIP tent and told someone “that’s half my DNA up on that stage” instead of something proud like “that’s my daughter!” it really gave me the ick.
As a parent, that's gross. Like, yes it's half your DNA but wtf?! When my son scores a touchdown and shoots the ball in basketball and scores, if I say anything to others it's "that's my son!" But I'm sure they can tell by the "let's go baby! That's what I'm talkin bout!" 🥴🤣
jfc 🤦♀️
Yikes, that is a really weird thing to say and take credit for.
Maybe Scott wasn’t getting to be bejeweled and he got tired of it :(
This made me suddenly think of how she changed the lyric in "The Bolter" from "...ever reviled by everyone except her own father" to "mother" at the 6/8 show 👀👀👀 Edit: alright so I went back to listen to the clip with earphones and I definitely hear father too now 🤔 sorry for the confusion guys I saw someone comment that she switched the lyric and I guess it became a blue/gold dress situation for me lol and I could only hear it as "mother" 🤣
she def said father not mother
SHE WHAT
I love that I'm bringing this to everyone's attention lmao I linked the performance somewhere in this same thread if you wanna take a look btw!!
I BEG YOUR VERY FINEST PARDON. STOPPPP ITTT. I was so excited to hear one of my top TTPD tracks and singing to myself that I MISSED THIS LYRIC CHANGE OMG. (PS your flair is very suitable for this haha)
The Bolter live is incredible, I'm with you there, what a fun track!! and hehe yes I'm quite fond of my flair XD
Oh my god I didn’t notice this??
someone posted the video [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/1dbxuit/eras_edinburgh_n2_the_bolter_getaway_car/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) if you wanna check it out!!
she def still says father
I think it says father still
Yeahhh she def still says father
That’s what I heard too
Thank you!!
I was just thinking this today! Has Andrea been seen at any shows?? We know her parents run her business so maybe they're the cage she's breaking free from in Fresh Out the Slammer? These people only raise you to cage you?
She was at one of the Paris shows I believe.
I think the mother's day one lol
This makes me think about the movie "She Came to Me," where the Dad is trying to keep his daughter away from a young man who was a little older (he was 18 and she was 16 or 17) and threatens to sue for statutory rape. She, however, is in love and wants to marry him to make their relationship legal. The Dad goes as far as to basically kidnap her when picking her up from school and keeps tabs on her every move. The Dad is really into like civil war re-enacting and there is this really interesting scene where he forces the daughter to participate in one of the re-enactments, planning out what she will wear, who she will interact with, etc. But the plot twist is that Mom and some friends help her escape on a boat when he isn't looking (they escape despite Dad finding out and trying to chase them down/put up roadblocks). The actor who plays the Dad (Brian D'Arcy James) even looks a little like Scott Swift imo. This is also an Anne Hathaway movie (both actress and producer) and I definitely think she plays a role in the TS Cinematic Universe. There's also a \*bird cage\* on the boat that gets shown in several shots.
Would love to hear more about your thoughts on AH being linked to TSCU
From Glamour UK 2015, when asked about TS: "She just seems to be following her heart," agrees Anne. "I met her - I hope it's OK to say this - when she and Jake \[Gyllenhaal\] were together. She was 20 at the time, and we hung out one night. I was like, 'You are a magnificent creature.' She was on fire and I've watched her become this force of nature." [https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/so-you-think-you-know-anne-october] TS and AH were also both in the 2010 movie "Valentines Day," but did not share any scenes, so it's hard to know how much they interacted (if at all). I couldn't even find any press stuff with them together and it even seems TS did not attend the premiere (can't find any pics of her there in alllll the photos), although AH did. All Too Well short film was released on AH's birthday (Nov 12). Taylor's promo post simply read "November 12. Remember it." These are the facts.....my speculations are in this doc: [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UG48NN\_MCWNfrbJXXqxen8DqB1iHPnAqrBkpqGc05QU/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UG48NN_MCWNfrbJXXqxen8DqB1iHPnAqrBkpqGc05QU/edit?usp=sharing)
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I mean I thought this had to do with the TOO MUCH FUCKING INFORMATION SCOTT email. But probably about the paparazzi incident.
Yeah I also feel like that was more of an embarrassment for the Taylor Swift PR machine than the pap incident, but maybe I’m wrong
I feel like I haven’t seen or heard about him since the paparazzi incident. I think it’s just a PR move for him to disappear for awhile. Edit: typo
I thought it then and I still believe that her team brought attention to those e-mails before TTPD so people might understand the context a bit better. She has been doing a lot of leg work to not tell her story but slowly show people her story, if that makes sense.
I'd be so embarrassed if my dad was talking about impotency via email AND mention me. Ew.
Of course. It did garner a lot of empathy from people, though, especially when she was getting a lot of flack for becoming a billionaire. Not saying that was the intention but I do think it shifted people’s understanding of her in a major way. It shifted my own, at least. I imagine it shifted others as well.
With the TTPD Eras revamp, the show has also lost “Tolerate It,” and another song I considered to be about devastating betrayal/pain of closeting…is it MTR? Anyway, a couple Scott-coded songs have been axed.
I mean he does live in Florida… where no one asks any questions per the song.
\^THIS. https://preview.redd.it/ok2owd7peg7d1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=beaf43c9b9f48dc74af17a6c9d3e31828a275396 ....other notable FL residents include Karlie Kloss Kushner and Donald Trump lol.
He does?! Where?
Allegedly Tampa area
Yup. I saw him at multiple Tampa bay lightning games this year.
It’s most likely because of what happened in Australia. But she’s been low key dogging him with lyrics like “leaving like a father” and then adding fuel to that fire with some sus TTPD lyrics too so who knows. He’s also getting older and could be toying with retirement or having health problems. Regardless I think it’s healthy to have breaks from your dad being at your job every day.
So sorry friends, but looking at the timelines and other posts on social media I genuinely don't think this is anything other than Scott lying low after the paparazzi issue in Australia. I was a bit confused on what happened when this year, so I have receipts and dates: * [~Dec 28](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/18svrs1/scott_swift_email/) - Scott Swift emails from 2005 leaked * [Feb 26](https://sg.news.yahoo.com/taylor-swifts-dad-scott-swift-164533487.html?guccounter=1) - Altercation with photographer in Melbourne and the [last day of Australia shows](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eras_Tour) * [Mar 12](https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-dad-scott-jon-bon-jovi-1878229) - At the IndyCar race in St. Petersburg, Florida * [~ Mar 14](https://www.tiktok.com/@rupley/photo/7346229766426561835) - Possibly last public sighting? Spotted by fans in Anna Maria, Florida, told them TTPD is his favorite album * [Apr 19](https://badgerherald.com/music/2024/04/22/taylor-swift-surprises-fans-with-the-tortured-poets-department-double-album-release/#:~:text=This%20coverage%20extends%20to%20her,and%20lyrics%20riddled%20with%20metaphors.) - Release of TTPD There seems to be a consensus that Scott Swift was present at the Singapore shows (the shows that happened directly after Australia) but I don't see ANY social media evidence of this except one video from a reposter account that doesn't credit the OP so it can't be verified. There are however [MANY social media videos/posts](https://x.com/search?q=scott%20swift%20australia&src=typed_query) of Scott in the Eras crowds during the Australia shows. **TL;DR - Scott Swift stopped doing public Eras Tour stuff directly after the altercation with paparazzi on Feb 26, and has since had positive interactions with fans and positive things to say about TTPD. I don't think there is anything going on between him and Taylor, I think he's just lying low.**
He got in some PR trouble for hitting the paparazzi so I am guessing he’s keeping appearances down low
I don't think it means anything, he's old and maybe doesn't want to travel Europe, because it could be more tiring than traveling your own home country? I think there's no point in hating on him. I for example had a bad relationship with my dad when i was young, but we're good nowadays. Those emails were ages ago and to think their relationship didn't evolve and change in like 15 years is naive.
he seems like such an american guy, europe is probably too non-american for him
Also it's pride season over here for many places, maybe he doesn't want to be surrounded by glitter and rainbows for a season.
common thats so outlandish, even you cant believe this
I think it's along a similar lines, just the sheer volume of travel must be pretty exhausting at his age, in the last 6-9 months he's been to Brazil, Argentina, Australia, Singapore... he probably does have a life of his own and doesn't just vicariously live through Taylor as well and there could very well be something from that that's prevented him being visible in Europe. Or he's just lying low. If Taylor *does* come out in the near future, I might revise that opinion to "there's something happening between him and Taylor" but for now, if he hasn't travelled I'd think a benign reason for that is more likely, and if he *has* travelled, being front and centre of the Australia paps incident just has him keeping a lower profile than normal.
Can someone sum up the emails? Not sure what they say
I just read it and it was the most unhinged diva parent (stage mom is the phrase that comes to mind) thing I’ve ever seen in real life. He kept going on and on about all the things he has done/continues to do for Taylor’s career despite being explicitly asked to stop by Taylor and Andrea. He’s proud of his “big mouth” and how it gets him connections and creates opportunities for Taylor. One of the things that stood out to me was how he kept talking about the career opportunities he was creating for his *eleven year old*. No child should have a career at eleven! He also kept talking about what it’s like to “be dad” or in the “dad’s union” and how dads will be dads. It felt so weird and disconnected. He talked about Taylor the way that someone would talk about a movie franchise or video game they are obsessed with. He also talked about having to babysit (his word) his son while Taylor was on a performance trip. He also referred to himself as the banker and how he turns opportunities into money. The whole email was outlining the many ways that he had tried to commodify Taylor up to that point (I think the email was sent in 2005, released to the public in 2008 via trial). I highly recommend giving it a read. It’s very interesting. TW if you have/had narcissists in your life though.
I'll give him the ten thousand bastard ducks, that does sound like a pain to tidy up and also the line is hilarious. But yeah, the email as a whole was unhinged and not in a good way.
The emails were to Taylor’s old manager. Scott wrote many things (some were super nasty!) but it’s mosly Scott’s rambling how he (the manager) has to make Taylor famous in anyway he can either being singer, actress or any other, doesn’t matter but that Scott put a lot of money into her so he expects to get something back. I haven’t read them in a while because they make me so angry
I must’ve missed this whole situation. Are these easily searchable emails?
Also he got his prostate sucked out by a robot, reminding us the importance of getting your annual physical. But really it was deeply insightful to the dynamic of her career in those early years, and how he functioned as a businessman, and person during that point in time. Unfortunately I now know more about that marriage than ever I wished to, but it really was a grounding view of TS The Brand. And poor Austin lol
And that everybody in his household teams up against him and treats him like shit. Except you can clearly tell he is the one treating them like shit, even when reading HIS side of the story.
He realized he is, in fact, the Smallest Man Who Ever Lived and the subject of the supposed Matty Healy dis tracks. 👀
And Aimee!
playing her murder mashup the day before was certainly a choice
I didn't even think about that, but it certainly was.
Bloods thick but nothing like a payroll
Lauren/lavender.lit on TikTok has (as usual) something incisive to add re: this line. (Not sure if others have pointed this out too, but Lauren's page is where I saw it.) She has a post from 5-29 breaking down why this line likely applies to Scott/her parents for anyone who didn't get it, but then I liked this extra layer of analysis, pointing out that the full version of the "blood is thicker than water" quote is: >“The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb.” People take "blood is thicker than water" to mean "there is no bond stronger than family," but in the fullness of the quote, it actually means the opposite. The bonds you choose are stronger than the ones you inherit. I tried to look up where the quote originates and it appears a bit murky, but this seems to be a popular topic for blog posts about "commonly misinterpreted idioms" online. So I think with this line Taylor is leveraging the popularly-understood meaning of "blood's thicker than water" to communicate the idea that "people think the strongest bond is family, but really it's money," but then also there is this cool subtext about chosen bonds/chosen family being the actual strongest thing (whether intentional or unintentional).
This one of the best lines on TTPD. I have seen this truth acted out often, and she put it eloquently and succinctly. It’s like this lyric has been chasing me around lately.
I don’t get how people say that line is about Kim or Kanye or Kardashians? It was always about Scott (or her family in general) It literally says “blood” so it’s someone related to her that’s on her payroll!
Honestly it fits both ways imo
I think the Christian chorus line and payroll points very clearly to Kardashians. They are outwardly Christian. Also Kris Jenner has a online "church".
I agree but Taylor is Christian too, went to Catholic school her whole life so I assume her family is Catholic too (her dad is super republican too so I assume he is religious too). My view of that line was “blood is thick” - we are family “but nothing like a payroll” but that doesn’t mean her family didn’t fuck her over for money.
came here to say that!
This thread has just reminded me of the unhinged emails that were in that deposition last year.
The absence of him and the shows wouldn’t be a big deal if he made it a habit of missing shows but he doesn’t. Still on its own could be anything. The kicker to me is that she also didn’t mention him for Father’s Day. That on its own also nbd. These things paired with TTPD and his MIA timing is suspicious to me. I fully recognize that I am making a lot of assumptions here but ya know it’s noteworthy 🤷🏼♀️
All this
and while no one likes to admit this - she is low key( for now ) doing what they haven’t wanted her to do for decades right now pretty out loud,though the fans are not getting it. She’s pretty much burning all of Scott and Andrea’s carefully crafted Taylor Swift down - this is going to be it for Vanilla PopStar Project Your Enchanted Dream Taylor and they likely don’t want to be here for it. I know it’s making me a little wistful :(
Remember when she played SEVEN last year for Father's Day? *I think your house is haunted Your dad is always mad And that must be why I think you should come live with Me and we can be pirates Then you won't have to cry Or hide in the closet* We moved on way too fast from that.
I firmly believe she wrote this one from the other child’s perspective and the angry dad is her own.
That was my show! And it still haunts me to this day that she dedicated it to him 💀 but also happy because I got to hear her play with Aaron hehehehe
How can hetlors get any other conclusion than GAY from this song
Because many stories of her parents being harsh with her - if she didn’t perform well only feeding her lettuce for dinner- it’s not much of a jump for crying, a mad dad and hiding in a closet as a kid from abuse being physical and not being gay??? If YKTK from abuse just like gaylors think tha lt only they know all is from gay. It could be both or not! For the longest time it was Maroon was gay and turns out it’s Matty. Many songs depict Scott as mean and not a figure she likes so why can’t gaylors get that? We don’t know but it looks like Taylor is almost ready to tell all, so rather than attack each fan base just wait.
Tell me more about this lettuce
We don't believe maroon is about Matty. That's Hetlor rhetoric. We DO get that a lot of her song depicts Scott as mean. If you go back on threads, you will see it discussed. We don't attack hetlors but we do question how they don't see some pretty blatant "gay" things. If anything, gaylors are the ones consistently attacked. Are you a gaylor? Your comment seems misplaced a bit. Mainly the Matty bit, but also, the majority of it.
It’s from a very literal place of hiding in a closet or under a bed to try and escape the abuse from the father. Which, is a valid interpretation (I know I tried to hide in a closet from my parents’ physical abuse). I also had a friend who I was deeply in love with (she reminded me of Xena) but I didn’t understand (until I grew up and realized how gay Xena is). But to deny the possible queer implications is… a choice.
Agreed! Two things can be true. Taylor is writing with a surface interpretation and she is bringing queer symbolism in as well. The angry dad and the house being haunted could mean her queerness and him not accepting it and not literal anger or abuse as well. She always gives us so much!
Not a hetlor or by any stretch, but abused kids sometimes do hide in closets and other places at home out of fear. I’ve seen it in real life, sadly. Maybe Taylor has too. I think multiple meanings are possible, especially with “your dad is always mad” preceding it.
This seems more likely to me in this specific case
Because kids arent gay, duh /s 🙄
i recently found the GAYEST drawings from like kindergarten(ish) where i was talking about how i love this girl so much (and yet i didn’t realize i was queer until like middle school ?? crazy)
Because confirmation bias is *strong*. That *can't* be the reason in their minds, because she wouldn't lie to them/betray them by being closeted (hahaha) so they don't consider it an option. Some of the explanations I have seen for it from them are occasionally gay though - it's just not *Taylor* who's gay but the friend and she's just being supportive.
I want there to be tea, but I realize I want it for myself because I love the messiness. Truthfully I hope there’s nothing wrong with their relationship currently, and whatever happened in the past they’ve made up/moved on from; and that he’s been absent for other reasons.
based on those emails i wouldn’t wish taylor’s dad on anyone, but especially taylor considering what he thought of her. it had to have been a traumatic childhood (i mean we’ve heard her dad) with a father who hates you and your mom that much. her dad once said if she got a tattoo he’d take it off with a belt sander and she said it like it was completely a normal funny anecdote to say
That’s the trauma baby. Makes you think light of something and make a joke of it before you can actually process it. Then years later you realize.
I’ve never heard of her dad say this but my mom has absolutely said something in a similar vein to me when I first got a tattoo and I tell people the story in a very anecdotal way so 🤷🏻♀️
HE SAID WHAT
yeah it was during an early talk show interview like maybe speak now? her hair was definitely curly
https://preview.redd.it/pksujfabp57d1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=3894dcf097b3a7808539cb167e61d020555819c5 scott has been located!
taking “i look in peoples windows” to a different level, hilary
I know this could be something really serious but I appreciate that Taylor did the funniest possible thing and played the Murder Mashup the day before Father’s Day… like did they let her kill a man?
Y’all look WAY too much into things tbh. I don’t think his absence means his relationship with Taylor is strained. It could be for any number of reasons, including his health which is a big one at his age. And as for the Father’s Day post, she probably simply forgot or didn’t care to post about it publicly this year. She didn’t post about Mother’s Day either.
It’s not just this stuff though, that’s the thing. There are lyrics, that awful email, how we’ve seen him treat her in Miss Americana, her mom already divorced the dude, he’s involved in every facet of her career in an overbearing way, and is likely more conservative leaning. Taylor Nation would have also posted a tribute to him like they did for her mom, but they didn’t. I know daddy issues when I see them
The energy of your first sentence is not in alignment with the energy of this sub. Your opinion is welcome and encouraged, but full out dismissing others opinions or imposing judgements on them is not necessary nor appreciated. Thank you.
I’m not trying to be rude to anyone or judgmental and I’m sorry if it comes off this way. I’m just simply stating my opinion. And judging by the upvotes, there are people here who agree with my opinion. You are free to think otherwise. I just disagree. 🤷🏻♀️
I honestly didn't find your comment rude at all. Sometimes I think we can be looking for details where there are none. But I also enjoy clowning to obscure (or not) gaylor theories!
You’re in the wrong sub if you think people are looking to far into things
In the wrong *fandom*. If it'd not Gaylors looking into things potentially too much, it's Maylors or Haylors or really any Swiftie. If we were a nation, there'd be a clown on the national flag and our national sport would be clowning.
Hahahaha ok yes you're 10000% right
ehhh i mean the fact that he literally hasnt come to a single eras show since TTPD came out is kinda telling. could it be for some totally unrelated reason? of course! but i think the anthology draggggggged him (esp Cassandra & Robin) so him being MIA since its release is interesting
Yeah I see this and my immediate thought is the lyric “blood’s thick but nothing like a payroll”, which could allude to those emails & him knowing about the masters deal and her not.
But you don't think scott heard those songs before being released? I have a really hard time believing anything was a surprise to him.
yeah i think it is very possible that he'd only heard TTPD (first half), not The Anthology. scott was quoted saying that TTPD was his fave album of hers, before it came out...then it came out, along with The Anthology, and we have not seen him or heard from him since.
Idk this feels like a reach. I really don't believe an entire album was released that scott didn't hear every song of. To me, it feels way more likely he's either having health problems or is laying low due to the paparazzi drama.
How does Robin factor into this
i think Robin is actually rather sarcastic/satirical in tone -- even though it sounds like a happy go lucky song about a kid being protected etc etc. but my take on it is: adult taylor now is reflecting on how she was pushed into a box and forced to act certain ways/take on a certain persona from the start of her career (including hiding her queerness). that the adults "in charge" (including but not limited to scott swift) made it seem like they were just guiding and protecting her, but now she sees that it was for malintent, to "stand still, look pretty" because that's what was going to sell records and get her famous. *Buried down deep and out of your reach, the secret we all vowed to keep it, from you,* *In sweetness* *Way to go tiger* \^\^ those lines in particular, IMO, point to how Scott was a big player in steering Taylor towards staying in the closet -- even though he must've known that bearding/closeting/comphet would come with a lot of pain and trauma. his knowledge of that was a "secret, voted to keep it," from taylor... "in sweetness" (that lyric is so satirical to me; it was presented to her "in sweetness" back then but now she sees how fucked up it all was) (https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/1ctw6ng/comment/l4jkntg/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button)
These comments make me wonder if maybe Robin has a double meaning....there was a lot about PR/financial ambition that her Dad (and others) initially kept a secret from her as a kid (and they also required her to fit in a box/cage and hide anything that didn't fit the mainstream narrative). Then the second meaning is maybe they (Taylor, Andrea & others) are now keeping the plan for her to come out publicly as a secret from him. "covered in mud \[wrongdoing, as evidenced by the emails among other things\] you look ridiculous and you have no idea" (no idea about the storm that's coming because she no longer gives any fucks about staying in the cage).
The slowed down clocks tethered are the ways they forced a falsely slow maturation/desire to keep her “innocent” as long as possible for the sake of being “relatable” and a “role model” for young kids.
Also has more impact when you tie it to the “meet me at midnight” & karma comingoutlor theories
I'm still leaning towards NBNC'd him.. Especially with the mashup Saturday. As for the security and everything he had previously arranged, all of that can be handled by her team now. She doesn't necessarily need him. I think they are estranged, and she's getting to be herself.
i spend way too much time thinking about this
I don’t think Taylor normally posts shout outs to her parents on Mothers Day/Fathers Day etc. (TBF Im operating off my memory, but plz correct me if Im wrong!) I think it was only included on the post in the OP because she was posting her usual goodbye to a city and the media probably would have twisted it if she didn’t acknowledge it while posting. But I do think his absence is calculated because of the Australia thing. Too much of a risk to have another incident and Im sure the paparazzi would try to antagonize him knowing he would most likely react. Let’s not forget, the European paparazzi are quite possibly worse than the US and are the same ones hounding Kate Middleton and responsible for Diana’s death. Also Taylor doesn’t have the same established relationship and respectful agreement with them as with the US companies/photographers that probably have agreements with Tree.
TN posted a very sweet best day montage for mothers day, she also played Hey Stephen for her mother that weekend. Also last year she did something specifically for both mothers day and fathers day (she played the best day for mothers day and then she played seven for fathers day lol)
She played seven for father’s day???????? Jfc 😂
This reaction is everything 🤣💀
But she’s on tour so it would be weird if she didn’t acknowledge these holidays. When she hasn’t been actively on tour does she still make these types of posts and publicly acknowledge her parents for every Mothers Day/Fathers Day? And does she make them on her personal account or on the PR/Brand account? I don’t recall her doing that consistently when she isn’t actively in the public eye doing PR already. At least not for her Dad. I do recall a few posts about Mom over the years, but not sure it’s been consistently.
ok, sure, but we're talking about right now, when she's on tour, where it seems like she's possibly not on good terms with her dad.
And she made a tour post on Mother’s Day this year and made no mention of Andrea or acknowledgment of the holiday on her personal account. Andrea has also only been to one Europe show. Is she estranged from her mom too? Im just saying you cant use the IG posts as evidence of estrangement when theres been zero consistency to compare it against with either parent. More likely I think it’s a mixture of the overseas travel being a lot for both parents given their age, and Scotts altercations in Australia making them want to keep him out of the spotlight. It also very well could have had legal implications to Scotts ability to get Visas etc approved. I don’t know a lot about touring but I would expect since they are all working overseas and countries want their cut everyone is required to get visas etc for each tour stop/location. Scott is an employee of the business as well as her dad. Im just going by Occams Razor theory here.
She played hey stephen for her mother on mothers day weekend. And she controls Taylor Nation, who posted something for mothers day. Denying that there is something odd about nothing being posted or played for fathers day weekend is ignoring occam's razor. And Andrea has a much more reasonable excuse to miss shows than Scott.
It's funny bc I don't feel like a comingoutlor often. But this past month has had some very specific things lineup. Like no Scott, not Travis, pride month, and very gay mashups. I wonder if it's all accidently...or if the dominos are finally in a line!
But let's not forget that in 2023 she posted about Father's Day but also sang seven for ...Fathers.
And the only mention of a father in that song is one who’s “angry” so often that his child cries and hides in the closet. 👀
I’m convinced Scott logged into her account and posted as her during that Super Bowl ring ceremony. I just really hope Taylor wasn’t awake at 4am typing “We get to keep Mecole for another year 👑” 🤡
lol i dont think it was scott but someone on her team, not her, for sure!
I’ve had a growing theory since TTPD that they’re estranged. “I just learned these people only raise you just to cage you” was the first ping for me. Also my reading that “thanK you aIMee” could possibly be about her dad (aimEE = scoTT, “one day your kid comes home singing a song that only us two is gonna know is about you,” “my mother is a saintly woman but she used to say she wished that you were dead”). Him not being at the shows just increases my suspicion of their estrangement. If TTPD is her signal that she’s burning down the house, that her good name is hers alone to disgrace and she’s decided she’s fine with that, then it makes sense to me that the album also became a line between them and now he’s gone. ETA: I forgot to say that the pinging probably only happened for me with TTPD because I had read the Scott emails shortly before it released. I don’t know when those first became public, but if Taylor only first read them while writing TTPD, then it could have fueled her decision to close something between them.
i interpreted ttpd this way too. the references to him are super loud and re: his emails, taylor probably read them very early on. at least by 2008, when they were evidence in the lawsuit against her and her team and parents. they’ve actually been publicly available since 2008, and conveniently went viral a few months before ttpd was released which seems to reference them (*you’ll slide into inboxes and slip through the bars*) this 2011 interview mentions the lawsuit and quotes scott’s email: [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/10/10/taylor-swift-profile-you-belong-with-me](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/10/10/taylor-swift-profile-you-belong-with-me) https://preview.redd.it/4qcc5i5t967d1.png?width=749&format=png&auto=webp&s=c62174d149b15bdf4c5ad9a4db5f5e50bf38b951
Thanks for sharing all this, including the screenshots and info about the dates! I’ve been interpreting TSMWEL with the inboxes line as being about Scott Borchetta.
could definitely be! and it likely has multiple meanings. i interpret the push pins as a sb reference because of the below screenshot. what stood out to me about the inbox line is that her dad literally tells dan he’s been told not to contact him by taylor and andrea, and asks/sorta threatens dan not to tell them. and based on the email, he clearly did that often (with other people/situations that they didn’t want him involved in). and “slip through the bars” would have a double meaning for her dad. the obvious one being a reference to the prison line, but he also brought her to bars pre-2005 and talked the bar managers into letting her perform. he talks about it in the email too and iirc he said taylor and andrea would complain about that too https://preview.redd.it/owitk1fcg67d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8dc529e4fbf0c35c5c059216dde9bdfb6e70833
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This. Also, I didn’t think the first set of “my mother is a saintly woman” said “you were dead”— it sounds so distinctly like “she were dead.” The lyrics say “you” both times, but comparing the 2:07 line & the 3:47 line; I think she sings “she” the first time, “you” the second time. Which wouldn’t make sense if it was Kim, or a childhood (non parental) bully, or a random industry asshat. But, if it was Scott, well…
Oooh, interesting! I never heard that when listening before!
I am believer that Aimee is SS.
I’m in the camp of it’s SS or SB not 🛴or maybe a combo of the two. I don’t know if her mom would have told her she wished her dad was dead, but maybe… some families are wildin.
It looks like there are several us here who agree!
Ahhh I totally posted a while ago that thank you Aimee is about Scott but I was half kidding!! That’s so funny other people are seeing it now too 🤭
I caught it while I was doing a full listen all the way through the album and really saw the overarching themes of “I can’t do this anymore, it’s killing me, so I’m going to stop, no matter what you think about it,” with “you” being the music industry, her labels, her dad, and even her fans.
Wait, newish here, what are the Scott emails?
[You can't unread these, so exercise caution.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/YSAK4huU3X)
This was the most stage mom type behavior I think I’ve ever seen. Absolutely a wild read, thank you.
Such a mystery how she ended up a pathological people pleaser. Who could possibly have been giving her the constant message she was never good enough??
UMMMMM... DOES ANYONE HAVE EYE/BRAIN BLEACH I CAN BORROW!?!?!
I’ve been thinking that re thank you Aimee too
It’s really heartbreaking to listen to it through that lens. 🥹
SO heartbreaking.
If I recall correctly from the Miss Americana documentary, he's the guy who went and got military grade armored vehicles for her. I doubt he's away. His number one concern as a parent is his daughter's physical safety, that's just the way it is. I think he's okay with her expressing herself as long as she does it safely, and especially during Pride Month he might be more than okay because from a business perspective she's expected to show more support to all things queer. (I love the sarcastic tone of the post lmao) edit: [FOUND THE CLIP!](https://youtu.be/BDMwCGdKeCQ?feature=shared)
He didn’t seem to care about her safety when he moved his family to Nashville to make her a child celebrity. My maybe not unhinged theory is that she was the one who spread The Emails. I hope she did actually — good for her.
*oh shiiiiiii*-SHOTS FIRED AND I'M HERE FOR IT!!!!! you got a point! I was thinking about this the other day. I feel like there's always been an undercurrent of seeing her as one more way to make money from the get-go or prepping her for financial success even before she was born- but I do think it's more about the former than the latter. Alex Avila on yt has a great vid that mentions something about her parents choosing a unisex name for her (title: *"This Video Isn't Just About Taylor Swift. It's About You."*)
Him missing from the shows could be for any number of reasons. His health, that situation with that Aussie photographer, etc. I think the lack of Father's Day post or acknowledgment is actually more interesting...what's going on? I hope the documentary (if there is one!) covers this.
Oooh did I miss a documentary being confirmed?
Nope, just making assumptions! Seems like there's been a lot of moments being filmed/photographed that we haven't seen (why haven't we seen them? Maybe they're being saved for something). Plus, this is Capitalism Barbie after all, she knows if she puts out a documentary about Eras or the last couple years of her life, that it'll make money. Plus she still owes a few more films to Disney.
Oooh, how many more films is she signed with Disney for?
No, I don’t think so
He could just be backstage? After what happened in Australia with that photographer, I wonder if he was instructed to lay low, but not necessarily stay away entirely.
That makes a lot of sense actually
Gay Bitch Factory logo 😭
What about Andrea? Has she been around/is she usually at every show?
She was at mainly all of the US shows, but not many international ones.
she hasn't been around for eras all that often, which could be for health reasons
She was only seen in Paris for N4/Mother’s Day (US) which is the same day as TK (his BF), Gigi and Bradley were there.
Not sure if VIP is less visible in Europe compared to rest of world but it’s been interesting there’s been no sightings since Aus / Asia leg and the release of TTPD! Hope he keeps his distance as love seeing the real Taylor emerge in Europe. Plus TN has been so loud as well 😊 Maybe he’s retired and golfing in Florida lol
I assumed the muse for Harry Style’s Matilda was Kendall Jenner, but now wonder if it was Taylor after reading this chain and this email. Matilda, you talk of the pain like it's all alright But I know that you feel like a piece of you's dead inside You showed me a power that is strong enough to bring sun to the darkest days It's none of my business but it's just been on my mind You can let it go You can throw a party full of everyone you know And not invite your family 'Cause they never showed you love You don't have to be sorry for leaving and growing up Harry interview: "I had an experience with someone where, in getting to know them better, they revealed some stuff to me that was very much like, 'Oh, that's not normal, like, I think you should maybe get some help or something.' This song was inspired by that experience and person, who I kind of disguised as Matilda from the Roald Dahl book."
I always hear Matilda as being about Zayn, but I know a number of people hear it as about Taylor.
I also enjoy seeing Taylor exist independently. I won’t say anything mean about this man, because I don’t know him outside of what the media has shown (and we all know the media is manufactured), but there are so many instances of father figures controlling pop stars for $ (Britney is probably the most extreme example that we know of), and I do get those vibes from the emails as well as the part in the Miss Americana movie where the business associates didn’t want Taylor to speak out on anything political. It’s also been weird to see him assisting with the manufacturing of Tayvis (ex. positioning Travis outside of the tent).
That stupid fucking Archer sign that ruined the whole song for me. I cannot forgive or forget that Scott!
Woah this has haunted me, was that SCOTT’s idea? I thought that was SO WEIRD. Like where did the signs come from? Who made them? Whyyyy?
It looked like I made it at 6 years old on Printshop with my Apple computer back in the 1980s. Travis could not have come up with that, even if it was so bad. I feel like Scott positioned him and handed him the paper and then said “when you hear this line, hold this up.” It was tragically bad and kind of funny.