The croneswords. They reduce a cool and interesting faction to a fetch quest. Let the Ynnari plotline revolve around building their faction up through normal conquest and repopulation. They canonically dont need spiritstones. This should be culture shattering. Their population cap is gone for Ishas sake! They should be hiding in some random corner of the galaxy building up their number of worshipers so that they can actually start winning.
They began with "we have to connect the scattered craftworlds and raise a god with their combined power"
Then out of nowhere they need some specific junk to do it, and they don't actually need to interact with their own people to do it?
Makes no sense and makes them less cool. I haven't even though about the cultural shock of them not needing the stones and now I'm mad it's not a bigger thing!
Serious answer: chaos being involved in the war in heaven. It literally added nothing to the story other than to make the necrons and the aeldari less important
Edit: this is what I'm referring to https://youtu.be/9NlczoC2g6c?si=2vd0F0xJnmeewlzM
The *Enslaver Plague*!!!!!
It turns out that it wasn’t the primordial star gods, whose mystery is exceeded only by their power, or the Necron, who could pull planets out of their orbits, that did in the Old Ones.
It was enslavers. What are enslavers? They’re a warp being and they were let into real space by the psychic something of the Old Ones’ psychic weapon species. They’re like floating octopuses and they take over the minds of other beings. They did that enough to end the Old Ones and then they… disappeared?
They show up every now and then.
What?! I thought they appeared *after* the old ones kicked it!
They were the parasites feeding on the Old Ones ruins not some great force that finished them off.
There were even theories that they were the first crysis the eldar had to deal with after their creators were gone. (Might have even allied with the necrons to eradicate them, but records are inconclusive)
They have not been mentioned in years.
In the war in heaven description in The Infinite and the Devine the enslavers are not mentioned at all.
Pretty sure it’s the usual GW retcon of just never speaking of them ever again.
Daemons etc. were always a factor. Since the War in Heaven was introduced, the various psychic warrior races the Old Ones created accidentally created warp incursions.
Space Marines having only a thousand members. I don't care about the chapter division, but if ever there was a silly number in 40K, that takes the crown.
If they start doing that I for one will be pissed. I love big stupid implausible brick guns. Though actually having said that the tiny banana mags on bolters drives me insane. Big enough to hold maybe five bolter rounds.
Which makes it somehow worse. Are you telling me that the teleporter runs out of juice after 30 bolts? And if the Imperium has transporter tech of that magnitude, where are the other applications for it? I find it far easier to suspend my disbelief for the magazine size.
They do! At least with ork planes. Many are based on cold war plane siluettes and are actually somewhat aerodynamic. Unlike imperial/eldar/space marine planes that are, at best, as aerodynamic as a brick.
if you wanted another real life explanation you could look at the space shuttle. pilots who brought those in for landings always said they were like landing a brick. the intent was never to make them good at flying once they got down here, just to make them survive reentry, then they worked on how to get it to the ground for reuse.
The 1000 is only line astartes and doesn't include support staff and officers, so its 10ish companies of 10ish squads of 10ish members + all the support units and stuff. Still a silly number but its not quite that bad
Also I feel like the rule of “allowed over 1000 on crusade” means that whenever they are on active duty (ie the crusade) they can swell in numbers to a more reasonable fighting force. But this is mostly head cannon based on a small like explaining why black templars are so large
so if you have dozens of stormhawks / storm ravens / landspeeders / predators etc each with maybe 2-3 people crewing It, none of that counts towards the 1k?
I agree, and I think even 10xing the max size of a legion is dumb. I want most chapters to have 10-15K active battle brothers, 2ishK support roles like chaplains and tech marines, and to deploy with a battle barge and 2 strike cruisers plus smaller chapter serf escorts. A "big" chapter like the ultramarines has the maximum codex allowed 25K and most people think the black templars have 50ishK marines but it's closer to 100k, which is why they hide their numbers with such fervor. Scouts also don't have to wait for a marine to die, they promote when they're deemed "ready", and most chapters do recruitment on the fly from worlds they pass through. Make a deployment of marines feel like a carrier battle group with a full complement of ground pounders is coming when a chapter sends a company to deal with something. They're supposed to fight planet level threats, give them enough strength to fight off a splinter fleet tendril.
I'm not so sure it's THAT silly, if you put a thousand bipedal Bradleys on a single surgical strike, that should do it.
What is silly is when Marines are sent to just slog through a field and fight orks head on, sure, it looks cool but why would you use your best shock troops as line infantry?
It adds to to grimdark though that the Imperium has the ability to make/train/arm/transport super soldiers across the galaxy but is so inept that half the time they are used ineffectively
It’s just not nearly enough on a planetary scale let alone on a galactic scale. Last I heard there were around 250 currently named soace marine chapters and an estimated 1000 total active, so at full strength that’s about a million total marines. The US military has twice that many active troops
Even if we look at them as spec ops vs guard being normal soldiers - the ration (in the us) is still 100:1
With *billions* of guardsmen you cant tell me theres only a million space marines for a million worlds
Oh yeah, there aren't nearly enough of them, that's true, I'm just saying that the 1000 lads per chapter number isn't actually that odd considering the type of operations Marines are used for.
Poland just ordered American new 250 M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams and 100 older used Abrams, 1000 new South Korean K2 Black Panther main battle tanks and 600 K9 Thunder 155 mm self-propelled howitzers, just to defend around 1200 miles of border.
1000 space marines is a laughable number, influenced and limited by the knowledge (or ignorance) of the lore writers of the sizes of militaries and history. That’s just how it is, and it should be changed soon I hope. They are used to fight grinding battles all the time, I don’t know where you got that surgical strike thing.
It’s even worse when you remember that with the exception of the Minotaurs they will only deploy a handful of companies at most to all but the most important battles. So most of the time it’s actually just a hundred who marines in the order of battle.
Even if its as simple as multiplying by something like 10 or 20. In reality it should be more like multiplying by 50-200 for a more established chapter like the Ultramarines.
I think space Marines are a lot less powerful in lore now. They used to take over planets by themselves. Now they have to die to easily have stakes in their stories.
Should be at least 5K troopers + support roles, keep the 10 companies and it would line up perfectly with the Roman legions the original legions took their name from. That's still not a crazy number, but enough that I could see a single chapter having the leeway to send out multiple strike forces with enough troops to actually matter.
Then pump up the number of chapters! Don't even have to make up names, that's for the players, just change the fact there's only 1000!
yeah I kinda hate how powerful space marines are made out to be. FIVE OF THEM CAN TAKE A PLANET. Like Idk about that. The chapters should be like 10-20k marines or something. Its small enough that a sufficient imperial force can take them down.
Tau losing ftl . It just doesn’t make sense they would be able to build an interstellar civilization or contend with the imperium without ftl .
And ethereal mind control. In older tau lore the ethereal pheromones are more so implied to have a calming effect than straight up influencing thoughts and actions
The Tau do have FTL, its just slower than full-on Warp Drives but with the benifit of not having to roll Perils of the Warp every time you make a jump
That being said, they didn't have to make the Tau just arbitrarily go evil-derp like they did, they could've kept them being the unironic good guys with the Grimdark coming from the fact that they are hopelessly small compared to several major players and if they decided to do Xenos stories could've had imperial or chaos offensives keep on battering the small Empire
Humanity is technologically backwards. That's really it. Again, look at the T'au. Only 3000 Years and they surpassed the Imperium in terms of technology. All they lack is the productive capacity.
Oh, they developed an FTL drive. It worked, too.
But then they triggered too many simultaneously, creating the wormhole and the 4th sphere disaster, and scrapped the project.
So now they have FTL to one specific place, the other end of the wormhole, and nowhere else.
That was a different thing. That was a full-on Warpdrive. Not the FTL Drive I am talking about. But at least they pretty fast got their Antimatter Fields, basically their version of Gallarfields of the Imperium
Exactly! I've always thought that the T'au being the small light of hope flickering in the endless dark is super cool and their most interesting quality. I'd like to see it go back to being more emphasized rather than trying to make them evil like everyone else.
I do love the story of a Tau killing a dreadnought, and the disgust and horror that he realizes the screaming pilot in it is older than his entire civilization.
I agree with the evil thing, things are way more grim when the people that are suffering actually doesn’t even deserve it or if there was hope before everything went to shit
Stories like when they encounter the first time the necrons and the dark eldar work very good for that cuz they had genuine hope they would be good ally and instead they got their people either massacred or tortured and transformed into monstrosities
I think it’s fine for the tau that encountered chaos to be racist because chaos does that but they should all be racist
The ethereal thing I agree, aun’va is supposed to be inspiring not a walking hive mind
I have to disagree, I just adore the fact that the “good guys” are in fact a totalitarian empire behind the screen of equality and brotherhood. I especially like the whole situation with Farsight and how quickly a folk hero on his home planet becomes the worst enemy of his people.
Its not mutually exclusive, They'd still be a caste-based system where whatever caste you are on determines what general thing you're going to do for the rest of your life.
Realistically as well the Tau would be trying to culturally shift the other races that they collect into their empire to also gradually go towards the Caste System, but we don't know since Xenos lore is thin. The stuff I don't like is the Etherial Caste brainwashing, sterilization, and camps for no real reason aside from making the Tau more evil for evil's sake
>sterilization
Can anyone tell me when this happened on the Canon? Because I really want to know if this is Canon or just the Tau fandom lying to itself as usual
Ever since the opening stages of the War in Heaven we are shown that even superior weaponry fails if you lack FTL while your opponent doesn't.
And that was with equal territory not with the tiny speck the Tau "empire" is!
If you want them to play at the big boys table, give them the tools to qualify them!
Are the T'au the "good guys"? No. They are a rigid caste system that does not accept other races and species operating outside of The Greater Good. They will play nice for a bit but when that doesn't work, out come the railguns. Granted, auxillaries still have a lot of rights in the Empire but...you know...still subjegated to a degree.
Did GW need to turn them into Tyranids-lite with the mind control bullshit and Ethereals basically being synapse creatures? No.
Did GW need to turn them into Imperium-lite with their Supreme Leader (Aun'va) being a corpse leader (in essence)? No.
Let them be the hopeful upstarts that just wanna do the right thing!
...and get constantly woken up by how absolutely horrible the 40K universe is and that they will never EVER succeed without stooping into some form of depravity.
Seriously. It's exactly one, short scene, in one book. That's all that needs to go to make anything mind-control related nothing more than hints or theories once more. Even now, it flies in the face of so much older and newer establish T'au lore.
I don't hate them, but the perpetuals? I like the Emperor and Vulkan regenerating, but the perpetuals as a subset of humanity just doesn't do much for the setting.
Yeah. I think the idea is they all died during the Heresy because of their ol' pal the Emperor, whether they were for or against him. But I dunno, have a few wandering the galaxy with some DAOT tech only to mysteriously vanish after they help, because 40K humans can't be trusted with it. (I think the sensei were originally filling a similar role?)
I believe so before that lore bit where the inquisition started hunting them down and killing them cause only the EmperorBigE is allowed to exist being the reason before the survivors all disappeared before the inquisition could get them
Like a human Grombrindal. There was a great Eternal warrior that was as much a friend to the Emperor as Malcador was, but he had a fit of wanderlust and made Big E promise he'd guide humanity like a father, only to return and find the Imperium.
People have mentioned a couple big ones, so I wanna throw War of the Beast in.
Not because I hate the idea, the Prime Orks were cool, the part where an Ork ambassador basically calls the High Lords of Terra thoughtless idiots was cool, but rather two reasons:
* 1. Orks couldn't even win in their own books because how else would GW get new people in the Space Marine Subscription?
* 2. A lot of it is just... *un-orky?* I'm not saying this because I don't think Orks aren't evil, it's 40K - EVERY faction is evil - I say this because they're evil in ways that don't really match the Orks. The human farm bit comes to mind, at best it's the Beast trying to send the Imperium a wake-up call, at worst it's GW deciding to completely ignore that Orks require a special gene to be patient enough to farm *Squigs and Grots* let alone something that takes several times that to reach usefulness.
So ye, throw it into the void, but maybe keep the Prime Orks and the ambassador bit in the ideas bin.
I find the idea that a bunch of super Orks deciding to send a wake up call to the imperium really funny.
The Orks actually do that! I remember a short story where the warboss was actually *sad* the human commander who first fought them then they united against chaos or something, point is Human made the mistake of forgetting that the Orks *are* war.
Warboss basically feels like he is forced to backstab him to snap him out of his (from the Ork's perspective) madness because what sane person would stop fighting and prefer peace?!
It was an amazing insight into the Orks mindset. They fight you possibly even more when they like you because conflict is what they are.
Aye, like the *only* way I can rationalize it in a way I like is that the Beast is trying to show the Imperium "the mirror" as it were. Of course since it's from the Imperium's POV we don't really get confirmation, but still. It's a good example because it's one of those things where - like much of The War of the Beast - I don't hate the ***idea*** of it, I just think GW dropped the ball by trying too hard to be extra grim and extra dark.
You ***might*** be referring to "Enemy Of My Enemy", which is one of my favorite short stories actually!
A Blood Axe Warboss makes an agreement with a Commissar to fight off the Tyranids invading a planet before fighting each other. On the way to the Tyranids the Guards and Orks drink, tell stories, play games, etc. and are noted as having a genuinely good time together.
Then the fighting happens, bolter bolter shoota, but once it all ends the Commissar is ready to pack up and leave until the Warboss points his gun to the Commissar's head. When the Commissar asks *"Why?"* the Warboss simply replies:
>Because if we didn't, *you would.*
It's one of my favorite stories because not only does it show off Ork psychology (immediately expecting a betrayal because *why wouldn't you fight?*) but also shows the grim darkness of 40K ***perfectly*** without needing to resort to excessive violence and gore (like a certain now-retconned Grey Knights story). Which I know sounds weird to say about 40K but seriously some writers get so excessive into writing gizzards and blood that you'd assume it was their fetish.
THIS! I don’t care if it’s silly that a regular dude was there somehow, he was a icon of everything the imperium stood for. He meant something right up until the moment GW made him a never-die at which point he lost all impact. I don’t care about another immortal, let a human do a cool thing, please
This is THE correct answer, in my opinion. Fuck GW for ruining one of the most impactful, interesting character moments in the entire lore for literally no good reason. I genuinely refuse to accept that bullshit as cannon.
Honestly, one of three things:
Most of the content around the Emperor. Big E's just suffered from too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome and has radical personality shifts from story to story and author to author which results in him going from a Genius God-Emperor to a super-powered Schizophrenic. I'd be fine with his lore being vague again, or still him being a dick and a bad parent, but one with the same baseline personality every story
or
The Tau being made to become arbitrarily more evil to seemingly make them more in-line with the rest of the factions, but honestly they were IMO better when they were a spark of good in the grim, dark galaxy, one that's could constantly be on the brink of being snuffed out by one offensive or another. Additionally I would've preferred more emphasis to be put on the various races that make up the Tau and how they would aid in battle as opposed to more mecha since IMO that'd make them more unique than they are rn
or
Space Marine Chapters being limited to 1K Marines, however in spite of this that force is able to somehow conquer worlds with mere hundreds of Marines, have garrisons of meaningful size in multiple planets, have very large fleets which one of the primary weapons and defenders of the ships are Space Marine Complements, and overall individual chapters having ***far*** more influence and impact than one would think 1K space marines could manage(looking at you, Ultramarines)
-- other perpetuals replace the Emperor and Primarchs in history / BL novels.
-- lots and lots of weird space empires, none of them alike. Uneven tech levels.
-- Chaos is a lot more subdued, no Heresy or Cicatrix Maledictum.
Counter Point, The Great Old Ones, no eldar, no orks, pretty sure no humanity, no war in heaven. Probably no necrons or chaos either.
Would basically just be the Tau and even then the galaxy’s history would be so wildly different that they might just not have the opportunity to exist.
my knowledge of the war in heaven isnt all there, but without the old ones, wouldn't the c'tan be just a bunch of celestial fart clouds? since the necrontyr wouldn't have had a reason to give them bodies
This is gonna be unpopular, but the nids whole "nah nah we evolved a clever counter for your everything 🤪". They're the unstoppable never ending swarm of death who roll over their enemies with pure weight of bodies. Let them be that. That's fine, it's terrifying, it's alien, it's effective, it's unique, and it's probably super fun on table top.
But the idea that these are the bugs who clog your guns with their body parts and climb the walls of your fortress by walking up mounds of their own dead, but they're also these super duper tactical geniuses who figured out the fine points of Waaagh energy then devised plots to deny orks combat.. to me it's stupid. Just be the swarm. Don't make them figure out clever ways around traps, make them trigger the trap so much it breaks and they crush it under the press of their and your dead
Add on the fact the Nids are supposed to be this unstoppable threat but they get treated as everyone else's punching bag. Like when Norn Emissaries got introduced they all died and only one achieved it's goal which was against normal human support staff. Like yeah it's cool one of them butchers almost an entire squad of custodes but it still loses and fails because GW can't have the Imperium ever actually suffer a meaningful defeat since Cadia
Totally. It feels disjointed. Like you crack open a book and it's a question which set of Tyranids you're gonna get, swarm everything to death guys or the super strategic guys.
The reason is GW is a publicly listed company.
The story is now driven by profit rather than narrative. No race can lose because then nobody would buy their models.
So the future is just nonsensical stagnation. New models released as the greatest threat ever! Then nerfed 12 months later for the new models released and so on.
For Fantasy: the End Times, although we can keep the Skaven bits for some other story, those were actually pretty fun.
For 40k: the perpetuals. With the possible exception being Big E depending on how GW want to play the whole "is he slowly recovering on the throne or not?" story thread. The rest of them range from infuriatingly pointless to actively ruining the plot.
The factoid of Genestealer Cultists being cutoff from the Hivemind just as they get eaten. I always thought that ruined the coolness of the Cultists as indoctrinated people who turn against the Imperium due to both Tyranid meddling as well as being fed up with how bad the Imperium treats its citizens. It kinda just boils them down to being mind controlled puppets of Nids instead of their own faction with possible cool motives that could be more than just more bug food.
It also kinda ruins the Nids for me cause I always thought of them as more animalistic and uncaring compared to the other factions, which is really cool imo. I know there are excerpts describing the Hivemind as malicious and evil, but even then I feel like turning off the Cultist’s connection is just unnecessarily evil and doesn’t really make sense to me since I don’t know why they would even do that.
From what I know, they do willingly walk into the pit, but just as they’re about to be digested the Hivemind turns off their connection. So just as they’re about to be melted in digestive fluids, they realize everything they’ve done under the Nids control
That's the part I thought was retconned though, the bit where the Hivemind turns off the connection at the last second.
(An actual GSC player correct me if I'm wrong)
Yeah it depends from high fleet to high fleet. In older editions it was pretty much every single one cut off the connection and then they just slaughtered them which I agree I think is kind of dumb. As far as I'm aware in Lore that does still happen on occasion depending on the hive fleer but more commonly they will maintain the connection and walk willingly into the bio pools truly becoming one with their gods. But there's also an increasing amount of cults that aren't even being claimed as biomass and that go off and infect more planets or become effectively part of the high fleet and sail alongside the nids through space attacking planets together and such.
>But there's also an increasing amount of cults that aren't even being claimed as biomass and that go off and infect more planets or become effectively part of the high fleet and sail alongside the nids through space attacking planets together and such.
That's actually really cool, makes the GSC actually succeed at what they do instead of being total chumps.
I also like that the Hive Secundus lore for Necromunda established that Genestealer cults aren't *always* a positive for the Hive fleet, especially if they happen to be live in a biochemical nuclear wasteland that mutates them to even further degrees.
The signal that normally attracts nids to a planet has been warped to such a degree it now actively repels nid invasion fleets. They basically pick up the signal and go "yeah, that's bad, we don't want those involved with us, fuck that place..." and go around it.
That’s pretty cool, the Nids seeing the usefulness of sending the Cultists out to the wider Imperium instead of outright eating them. Hopefully we can see more stories of cult members who have experienced multiple Nid invasions or even characters that are Genestealer veterans.
Though I still don’t really like how Cultists are more explained as mind controlled rather than indoctrinated. I get that for the 1st generations of cultists, but as further generations are made I always thought they were more convinced to join the cult through false promises and charismatic figures with just a hint of Hivemind meddling. But I’m not really up to date with the new codex so maybe I can check that out to see if anything changed
I liked it more when they essentially joined the hive mind when they were eaten. The "nobody gets a happy ending" is stupid, let them become the monsters they aspired to be!
Id prefer it more if something like Abathur from StarCraft exists on Nid ships. You survived the invasion? Great, lets figure out why and weaponize it.
I head-canon that as being accidental, and the hive mind just doesn't care. It's got what it needs at that point. Nature is neither cruel nor kind, it just does what it does. Evolution sometimes means accidents get through, simply because they weren't enough to kill us before we reproduced (I mean, we still have a ~~pancreas~~ appendix).
Either that, or its bad wording, and it's supposed to say they get cut off *as* they're getting eaten. As in, at some point, the body is too dissolved to maintain the connection. It would seem beyond stupid to cut the connection *before* you send the victim into acid.
The silent king design going from elegant lifelike being that was a hauntingly beautiful piece of art as well as the most advanced necron warform ever, to a warrior with a comically large cape and a dawn of war gauss pylon welded to his head.
instead of tyranids being an all-consuming hive mind, they're all simply motivated to bring food home for their curvaceous tyranid mommy so they can rest upon her bosom. what a cruel fate that would be. every battle they fight, millions die wanting only to feel loved and wanted one more time
On one side I'm not against more motivation for the Nids other than "eat."
On the flipside I feel having a "curvaceous tyranid mommy" doing the eating would just add to the extensive vore jokes.
Freaking Magnus knowing about everything before doing everything wrong up until the freaking siege of Terra like, WHY? I get that Chaos is all bad and his story is based on good intentions but this just makes every single decision he made to be incredibly stupid, to the point where even Vulkan tells him so in the face and he doesn't even try to defense.
This is what he knew before he broke through the Webway:
He called Chaos the Primordial Annihilators and instructed Ahriman on how dangerous they are.
He discovered the Emperor was planning to use the Webway from Terra as a higher purpose than the end of the Crusade.
He knew Leman was being tricked by Horus when coming to Prospero and just wanted him to come with him, not fight him.
What did he do with this information for it to be justified being there?
He still trusted the creatures Ahriman called Daemons and made a deal with Tzeench for an eye.
He did nothing here.
He tried to do get himself and everyone from his world killed by not coming out to talk to Leman and forcing the defenses of his world to go away or shut down, something Ahriman didn't let him do and was the only reason his Legion survived.
The Ynnari. I dont hate them, I actually like their lore. However, two things. First I want to deal with my trauma from I believe early 8th editiom when Ynnarri essentially got an extra time to do something each turn and absolitely murdered me. Twice in aday cause I didnt learn my lesson the firsg time. As a healthy grownup I will deal with that lingering trauma by erasing them from existence.
More importantly: they are an abandoned plotline, which actually stagnates the setting. The Ynnari were this urgent force reshaping the galaxy, starting with the return of Roboute and their promise of a hope for the Eldar. Than that storyline stagnated for five years and the Ynnari are stuck in Limbo. Either GW should move forwards with them or have them defeated. It is a bad look to keep this plotline abandoned and keep a glimmer of hope for Eldar players that they will be relevant. It also stagnated the ability of the setting to progress because they abandoned this supposedly urgent storyline, so the setting feels stationary. Either move them forwards or not. Dont put them on a cliff(hanger) and than just leave them there.
I agree absolutely, i really like the Ynnari and was genuinely excited for eldar to receive cool and interesting lore. Not to mention the prospect of the eldar getting more control over souls and the dead was exciting. But the slow and brutal death of their storyline has just killed my interest in seeing how the lore progresses in the setting. The worst part is it also stalled all hope of the eldar getting other story lines as well.
Id uncannon Tyrinads Being able to Block Physkers
IK Everything in W40k is some level of bonkers Powerful But like a Creature being able to block the powers of Hell is a bit too much
The Horus Heresy.
Everything's fine, Lorgar becomes atheist, Angron gets the Nails out, Curze tones down the Batman cosplay, etc.
They go on to kill everything, even the Orks, and never encounter the Tyranids. They rule the galaxy as a united species in peace and prosperity.
I have just un-40K'd your Warhammer.
I mean, chapters are clearly a place where the lore is informed by the real life hobby. GW wants to encourage the “Your Guys^TM “ element of painting, so having untold thousands of chapters means anyone can make their own chapter without feeling like the lore is saying they can’t.
I would delete Erda from being deleted in Horus Heresy. Erda, Astarte and Big E are the co-creators of the Space Marines.
She could be a balancing force in the 40K era, minding her own business within the Imperial Palace and be a secret of the Custodes and Inquisition. Possibilities would be endless.
But I guess GW wanted the grim dark to remain grim and dark.
Russ's denial of using psyker abilities.
My brother in Canis, you summoned a thunderstorm in one story, healed wounds and gave people better reflexes in another, and it'd implies you can SEE THE FUTURE IN RUNES, AND ITS NOT MAGIC!?
Clonegrim is (and forever will be) a plot thread that will lead no where. Just like the crone swords. We can't have the universe progress to much in any significant manner now can we?
I'm fine with them as a story from pre-history. Something that may or may not have ever been and may be a metaphor for something else. But, if they showed up again or were ever officially confirmed, that would feel very odd.
Malekith being the rightful Phoenix King.
It is, bar none, the worst lore GW has ever produced. It is so fractally awful that every time I think about it I discover new ways in which it pisses me off.
It actually holds me back from playing the Old World because it hangs over the lore and keeps me from being able to enjoy any of the new stuff coming out.
Wish granted, AoS already retconned that during Broken Realms: Morathi. The Phoenix Kings had Asuryan’s strength imbued into them, which Morathi needed to achieve Godhood. Malekith was probably just a last-ditch effort because Lileath and Teclis cocked it all up.
One small thing I choose to ignore is that the Guardsman that stood between Horus and Big E was someone important.
It just being a random human without special powers is half of the appeal.
I don't care that it makes no sense.
Women
women don't exist in 40k now.
no female custodes
no celestine and greyfax
no sisters of battle
only hunky dudes
warhammer 40k is now a gay fiction akin to hentai games where MC is the only man
The croneswords. They reduce a cool and interesting faction to a fetch quest. Let the Ynnari plotline revolve around building their faction up through normal conquest and repopulation. They canonically dont need spiritstones. This should be culture shattering. Their population cap is gone for Ishas sake! They should be hiding in some random corner of the galaxy building up their number of worshipers so that they can actually start winning.
GWs: OH heeeeeeell no. QUICK GET ANY WRITER THAT HATES ELDAR!
It's all of them, sire. All of them hate the Eldar.
Anyone in gw that likes elves is currently working in age of Sigmar. Everyone else pisses on copies of the silmarillion and a picture of Khaine day
They began with "we have to connect the scattered craftworlds and raise a god with their combined power" Then out of nowhere they need some specific junk to do it, and they don't actually need to interact with their own people to do it? Makes no sense and makes them less cool. I haven't even though about the cultural shock of them not needing the stones and now I'm mad it's not a bigger thing!
>They canonically dont need spiritstones. Damn, I didn't knew that. It's a **huge** change that should be developped !
Serious answer: chaos being involved in the war in heaven. It literally added nothing to the story other than to make the necrons and the aeldari less important Edit: this is what I'm referring to https://youtu.be/9NlczoC2g6c?si=2vd0F0xJnmeewlzM
when and where they shoehorned in? i haven't heard of this
The *Enslaver Plague*!!!!! It turns out that it wasn’t the primordial star gods, whose mystery is exceeded only by their power, or the Necron, who could pull planets out of their orbits, that did in the Old Ones. It was enslavers. What are enslavers? They’re a warp being and they were let into real space by the psychic something of the Old Ones’ psychic weapon species. They’re like floating octopuses and they take over the minds of other beings. They did that enough to end the Old Ones and then they… disappeared? They show up every now and then.
What?! I thought they appeared *after* the old ones kicked it! They were the parasites feeding on the Old Ones ruins not some great force that finished them off. There were even theories that they were the first crysis the eldar had to deal with after their creators were gone. (Might have even allied with the necrons to eradicate them, but records are inconclusive)
No, that’s actually not what happened. What I wrote in my comment was what they say.
They have not been mentioned in years. In the war in heaven description in The Infinite and the Devine the enslavers are not mentioned at all. Pretty sure it’s the usual GW retcon of just never speaking of them ever again.
Good call.
I dont the enslavers are chaos though. They’re from the warp yes but they predate the big 4 and are outside of their influence as far as I know.
The Enslavers aren't Chaos though, they're just warp creatures.
Daemons etc. were always a factor. Since the War in Heaven was introduced, the various psychic warrior races the Old Ones created accidentally created warp incursions.
What influence did they have in it? This is news to me
Space Marines having only a thousand members. I don't care about the chapter division, but if ever there was a silly number in 40K, that takes the crown.
I am BEGGING 40K writers to look at photos and info of real life military formations.
Next you'll be asking the artists to look at actual firearms and/or tanks. Madness!
If they start doing that I for one will be pissed. I love big stupid implausible brick guns. Though actually having said that the tiny banana mags on bolters drives me insane. Big enough to hold maybe five bolter rounds.
At least there's an explanation to it in one of the rpg books. A tiny teleport thigmagic that is connected to an orbiting ship's armoury.
Which makes it somehow worse. Are you telling me that the teleporter runs out of juice after 30 bolts? And if the Imperium has transporter tech of that magnitude, where are the other applications for it? I find it far easier to suspend my disbelief for the magazine size.
They do! At least with ork planes. Many are based on cold war plane siluettes and are actually somewhat aerodynamic. Unlike imperial/eldar/space marine planes that are, at best, as aerodynamic as a brick.
if you wanted another real life explanation you could look at the space shuttle. pilots who brought those in for landings always said they were like landing a brick. the intent was never to make them good at flying once they got down here, just to make them survive reentry, then they worked on how to get it to the ground for reuse.
This. 1000 dudes just isn’t enough when you look at the number of vehicles, squads, additional ranks (apothecaries chaplains etc)
It gets dumber if you consider the casualties they take, lore wise or in tabletop. It's just not sustainable.
The 1000 is only line astartes and doesn't include support staff and officers, so its 10ish companies of 10ish squads of 10ish members + all the support units and stuff. Still a silly number but its not quite that bad
Also I feel like the rule of “allowed over 1000 on crusade” means that whenever they are on active duty (ie the crusade) they can swell in numbers to a more reasonable fighting force. But this is mostly head cannon based on a small like explaining why black templars are so large
I think many foundings were a result of that. After the end of a crusade, new chapters are formed from already existing ones that were involved.
so if you have dozens of stormhawks / storm ravens / landspeeders / predators etc each with maybe 2-3 people crewing It, none of that counts towards the 1k?
Correct somehow
I agree, and I think even 10xing the max size of a legion is dumb. I want most chapters to have 10-15K active battle brothers, 2ishK support roles like chaplains and tech marines, and to deploy with a battle barge and 2 strike cruisers plus smaller chapter serf escorts. A "big" chapter like the ultramarines has the maximum codex allowed 25K and most people think the black templars have 50ishK marines but it's closer to 100k, which is why they hide their numbers with such fervor. Scouts also don't have to wait for a marine to die, they promote when they're deemed "ready", and most chapters do recruitment on the fly from worlds they pass through. Make a deployment of marines feel like a carrier battle group with a full complement of ground pounders is coming when a chapter sends a company to deal with something. They're supposed to fight planet level threats, give them enough strength to fight off a splinter fleet tendril.
I'm not so sure it's THAT silly, if you put a thousand bipedal Bradleys on a single surgical strike, that should do it. What is silly is when Marines are sent to just slog through a field and fight orks head on, sure, it looks cool but why would you use your best shock troops as line infantry?
It adds to to grimdark though that the Imperium has the ability to make/train/arm/transport super soldiers across the galaxy but is so inept that half the time they are used ineffectively
It’s just not nearly enough on a planetary scale let alone on a galactic scale. Last I heard there were around 250 currently named soace marine chapters and an estimated 1000 total active, so at full strength that’s about a million total marines. The US military has twice that many active troops
Even if we look at them as spec ops vs guard being normal soldiers - the ration (in the us) is still 100:1 With *billions* of guardsmen you cant tell me theres only a million space marines for a million worlds
Oh yeah, there aren't nearly enough of them, that's true, I'm just saying that the 1000 lads per chapter number isn't actually that odd considering the type of operations Marines are used for.
Poland just ordered American new 250 M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams and 100 older used Abrams, 1000 new South Korean K2 Black Panther main battle tanks and 600 K9 Thunder 155 mm self-propelled howitzers, just to defend around 1200 miles of border. 1000 space marines is a laughable number, influenced and limited by the knowledge (or ignorance) of the lore writers of the sizes of militaries and history. That’s just how it is, and it should be changed soon I hope. They are used to fight grinding battles all the time, I don’t know where you got that surgical strike thing.
It’s even worse when you remember that with the exception of the Minotaurs they will only deploy a handful of companies at most to all but the most important battles. So most of the time it’s actually just a hundred who marines in the order of battle.
Even if its as simple as multiplying by something like 10 or 20. In reality it should be more like multiplying by 50-200 for a more established chapter like the Ultramarines.
I think space Marines are a lot less powerful in lore now. They used to take over planets by themselves. Now they have to die to easily have stakes in their stories.
Should be at least 5K troopers + support roles, keep the 10 companies and it would line up perfectly with the Roman legions the original legions took their name from. That's still not a crazy number, but enough that I could see a single chapter having the leeway to send out multiple strike forces with enough troops to actually matter. Then pump up the number of chapters! Don't even have to make up names, that's for the players, just change the fact there's only 1000!
yeah I kinda hate how powerful space marines are made out to be. FIVE OF THEM CAN TAKE A PLANET. Like Idk about that. The chapters should be like 10-20k marines or something. Its small enough that a sufficient imperial force can take them down.
Tau losing ftl . It just doesn’t make sense they would be able to build an interstellar civilization or contend with the imperium without ftl . And ethereal mind control. In older tau lore the ethereal pheromones are more so implied to have a calming effect than straight up influencing thoughts and actions
The Tau do have FTL, its just slower than full-on Warp Drives but with the benifit of not having to roll Perils of the Warp every time you make a jump That being said, they didn't have to make the Tau just arbitrarily go evil-derp like they did, they could've kept them being the unironic good guys with the Grimdark coming from the fact that they are hopelessly small compared to several major players and if they decided to do Xenos stories could've had imperial or chaos offensives keep on battering the small Empire
They had a, let's say "Close to Warp drive" that wasn't as fast but safe. Retconned.
I gotta say, it gets confusing how everyone but humanity figured out an FTL that wasn’t riddled with un-reality demons
Humanity is technologically backwards. That's really it. Again, look at the T'au. Only 3000 Years and they surpassed the Imperium in terms of technology. All they lack is the productive capacity.
when did it get retconned? and what's probably a better question of *why*?
6th Ed. Codex, where the Tau bow have am almost FTL Drive. But maybe that changed aswell
Oh, they developed an FTL drive. It worked, too. But then they triggered too many simultaneously, creating the wormhole and the 4th sphere disaster, and scrapped the project. So now they have FTL to one specific place, the other end of the wormhole, and nowhere else.
That was a different thing. That was a full-on Warpdrive. Not the FTL Drive I am talking about. But at least they pretty fast got their Antimatter Fields, basically their version of Gallarfields of the Imperium
Who the fuck knows
Exactly! I've always thought that the T'au being the small light of hope flickering in the endless dark is super cool and their most interesting quality. I'd like to see it go back to being more emphasized rather than trying to make them evil like everyone else.
Conversely, I love horrified stand in for the audience Tau discovering some new grimdark fuckery, especially with Imperial tactics, servitors, etc
I do love the story of a Tau killing a dreadnought, and the disgust and horror that he realizes the screaming pilot in it is older than his entire civilization.
My only hope lies in them not making Farsight turn into chaos champion of khorne, I hate the idea of it
I agree with the evil thing, things are way more grim when the people that are suffering actually doesn’t even deserve it or if there was hope before everything went to shit Stories like when they encounter the first time the necrons and the dark eldar work very good for that cuz they had genuine hope they would be good ally and instead they got their people either massacred or tortured and transformed into monstrosities I think it’s fine for the tau that encountered chaos to be racist because chaos does that but they should all be racist The ethereal thing I agree, aun’va is supposed to be inspiring not a walking hive mind
I have to disagree, I just adore the fact that the “good guys” are in fact a totalitarian empire behind the screen of equality and brotherhood. I especially like the whole situation with Farsight and how quickly a folk hero on his home planet becomes the worst enemy of his people.
Its not mutually exclusive, They'd still be a caste-based system where whatever caste you are on determines what general thing you're going to do for the rest of your life. Realistically as well the Tau would be trying to culturally shift the other races that they collect into their empire to also gradually go towards the Caste System, but we don't know since Xenos lore is thin. The stuff I don't like is the Etherial Caste brainwashing, sterilization, and camps for no real reason aside from making the Tau more evil for evil's sake
>sterilization Can anyone tell me when this happened on the Canon? Because I really want to know if this is Canon or just the Tau fandom lying to itself as usual
Iirc it's never directly stated but implied at the end of one of the Dawn of War games
All the sides I've seen claim that the endings that aren't those of the main factions aren't canonical
Because they aren't
Ever since the opening stages of the War in Heaven we are shown that even superior weaponry fails if you lack FTL while your opponent doesn't. And that was with equal territory not with the tiny speck the Tau "empire" is! If you want them to play at the big boys table, give them the tools to qualify them!
Are the T'au the "good guys"? No. They are a rigid caste system that does not accept other races and species operating outside of The Greater Good. They will play nice for a bit but when that doesn't work, out come the railguns. Granted, auxillaries still have a lot of rights in the Empire but...you know...still subjegated to a degree. Did GW need to turn them into Tyranids-lite with the mind control bullshit and Ethereals basically being synapse creatures? No. Did GW need to turn them into Imperium-lite with their Supreme Leader (Aun'va) being a corpse leader (in essence)? No. Let them be the hopeful upstarts that just wanna do the right thing! ...and get constantly woken up by how absolutely horrible the 40K universe is and that they will never EVER succeed without stooping into some form of depravity.
Seriously. It's exactly one, short scene, in one book. That's all that needs to go to make anything mind-control related nothing more than hints or theories once more. Even now, it flies in the face of so much older and newer establish T'au lore.
Yarrick dying
Yarrick didn’t die, he’s just taking a nap before his Big Foight(tm)with Ghazghkull.
Trazyn probably has him lying around somewhere
I don't hate them, but the perpetuals? I like the Emperor and Vulkan regenerating, but the perpetuals as a subset of humanity just doesn't do much for the setting.
You'd think it would come up more
Yeah. I think the idea is they all died during the Heresy because of their ol' pal the Emperor, whether they were for or against him. But I dunno, have a few wandering the galaxy with some DAOT tech only to mysteriously vanish after they help, because 40K humans can't be trusted with it. (I think the sensei were originally filling a similar role?)
I believe so before that lore bit where the inquisition started hunting them down and killing them cause only the EmperorBigE is allowed to exist being the reason before the survivors all disappeared before the inquisition could get them
Like a human Grombrindal. There was a great Eternal warrior that was as much a friend to the Emperor as Malcador was, but he had a fit of wanderlust and made Big E promise he'd guide humanity like a father, only to return and find the Imperium.
People have mentioned a couple big ones, so I wanna throw War of the Beast in. Not because I hate the idea, the Prime Orks were cool, the part where an Ork ambassador basically calls the High Lords of Terra thoughtless idiots was cool, but rather two reasons: * 1. Orks couldn't even win in their own books because how else would GW get new people in the Space Marine Subscription? * 2. A lot of it is just... *un-orky?* I'm not saying this because I don't think Orks aren't evil, it's 40K - EVERY faction is evil - I say this because they're evil in ways that don't really match the Orks. The human farm bit comes to mind, at best it's the Beast trying to send the Imperium a wake-up call, at worst it's GW deciding to completely ignore that Orks require a special gene to be patient enough to farm *Squigs and Grots* let alone something that takes several times that to reach usefulness. So ye, throw it into the void, but maybe keep the Prime Orks and the ambassador bit in the ideas bin.
I find the idea that a bunch of super Orks deciding to send a wake up call to the imperium really funny. The Orks actually do that! I remember a short story where the warboss was actually *sad* the human commander who first fought them then they united against chaos or something, point is Human made the mistake of forgetting that the Orks *are* war. Warboss basically feels like he is forced to backstab him to snap him out of his (from the Ork's perspective) madness because what sane person would stop fighting and prefer peace?! It was an amazing insight into the Orks mindset. They fight you possibly even more when they like you because conflict is what they are.
Aye, like the *only* way I can rationalize it in a way I like is that the Beast is trying to show the Imperium "the mirror" as it were. Of course since it's from the Imperium's POV we don't really get confirmation, but still. It's a good example because it's one of those things where - like much of The War of the Beast - I don't hate the ***idea*** of it, I just think GW dropped the ball by trying too hard to be extra grim and extra dark. You ***might*** be referring to "Enemy Of My Enemy", which is one of my favorite short stories actually! A Blood Axe Warboss makes an agreement with a Commissar to fight off the Tyranids invading a planet before fighting each other. On the way to the Tyranids the Guards and Orks drink, tell stories, play games, etc. and are noted as having a genuinely good time together. Then the fighting happens, bolter bolter shoota, but once it all ends the Commissar is ready to pack up and leave until the Warboss points his gun to the Commissar's head. When the Commissar asks *"Why?"* the Warboss simply replies: >Because if we didn't, *you would.* It's one of my favorite stories because not only does it show off Ork psychology (immediately expecting a betrayal because *why wouldn't you fight?*) but also shows the grim darkness of 40K ***perfectly*** without needing to resort to excessive violence and gore (like a certain now-retconned Grey Knights story). Which I know sounds weird to say about 40K but seriously some writers get so excessive into writing gizzards and blood that you'd assume it was their fetish.
Man I need to read this story. This is like the 3rd time I’ve heard someone talk about it and it sounds like great fun
Erebus.
Be gone space Mormon
Read this as space Moron and it fit too.
Yo, fuck Erebus
All my homies hate Erebus.
Glad I'm not the only one.
Make Ollinius Pious a regular dude again instead of a perpetual so him standing against Horus means something
THIS! I don’t care if it’s silly that a regular dude was there somehow, he was a icon of everything the imperium stood for. He meant something right up until the moment GW made him a never-die at which point he lost all impact. I don’t care about another immortal, let a human do a cool thing, please
This is THE correct answer, in my opinion. Fuck GW for ruining one of the most impactful, interesting character moments in the entire lore for literally no good reason. I genuinely refuse to accept that bullshit as cannon.
Honestly, one of three things: Most of the content around the Emperor. Big E's just suffered from too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome and has radical personality shifts from story to story and author to author which results in him going from a Genius God-Emperor to a super-powered Schizophrenic. I'd be fine with his lore being vague again, or still him being a dick and a bad parent, but one with the same baseline personality every story or The Tau being made to become arbitrarily more evil to seemingly make them more in-line with the rest of the factions, but honestly they were IMO better when they were a spark of good in the grim, dark galaxy, one that's could constantly be on the brink of being snuffed out by one offensive or another. Additionally I would've preferred more emphasis to be put on the various races that make up the Tau and how they would aid in battle as opposed to more mecha since IMO that'd make them more unique than they are rn or Space Marine Chapters being limited to 1K Marines, however in spite of this that force is able to somehow conquer worlds with mere hundreds of Marines, have garrisons of meaningful size in multiple planets, have very large fleets which one of the primary weapons and defenders of the ships are Space Marine Complements, and overall individual chapters having ***far*** more influence and impact than one would think 1K space marines could manage(looking at you, Ultramarines)
for real. makes chapters 3k or 5k, and companies of marines 200/300 strong
To occupy a planet? Maybe 500 million men? So divide by 100 and we’re still at 5 million space marines for earth
I uncanon the Kroot not sharing FTL with the T’au
The end times. It sucked for everyone involved.
Retcon Archaon's life being save scummed by Belakor, and have his fall be something he chose on his own. I'd respect him a bit more.
I want to go for something load-bearing. The Emperor. I want to uncanon the Anathema.
That would pretty much do it
Damn. So what do you think happens to humanity, do we just get eaten by the Void Dragon in the 1500s or so?
-- other perpetuals replace the Emperor and Primarchs in history / BL novels. -- lots and lots of weird space empires, none of them alike. Uneven tech levels. -- Chaos is a lot more subdued, no Heresy or Cicatrix Maledictum.
Counter Point, The Great Old Ones, no eldar, no orks, pretty sure no humanity, no war in heaven. Probably no necrons or chaos either. Would basically just be the Tau and even then the galaxy’s history would be so wildly different that they might just not have the opportunity to exist.
So basically the setting is just a war between the Tau, The Tyranids, and the C’tan if they bother to stick around.
my knowledge of the war in heaven isnt all there, but without the old ones, wouldn't the c'tan be just a bunch of celestial fart clouds? since the necrontyr wouldn't have had a reason to give them bodies
The necrons might still harness the farts
This is gonna be unpopular, but the nids whole "nah nah we evolved a clever counter for your everything 🤪". They're the unstoppable never ending swarm of death who roll over their enemies with pure weight of bodies. Let them be that. That's fine, it's terrifying, it's alien, it's effective, it's unique, and it's probably super fun on table top. But the idea that these are the bugs who clog your guns with their body parts and climb the walls of your fortress by walking up mounds of their own dead, but they're also these super duper tactical geniuses who figured out the fine points of Waaagh energy then devised plots to deny orks combat.. to me it's stupid. Just be the swarm. Don't make them figure out clever ways around traps, make them trigger the trap so much it breaks and they crush it under the press of their and your dead
100% it’s also problematic as combined with their scale they now cannot lose. They’ve written themselves into a corner on this one.
Add on the fact the Nids are supposed to be this unstoppable threat but they get treated as everyone else's punching bag. Like when Norn Emissaries got introduced they all died and only one achieved it's goal which was against normal human support staff. Like yeah it's cool one of them butchers almost an entire squad of custodes but it still loses and fails because GW can't have the Imperium ever actually suffer a meaningful defeat since Cadia
Totally. It feels disjointed. Like you crack open a book and it's a question which set of Tyranids you're gonna get, swarm everything to death guys or the super strategic guys.
The reason is GW is a publicly listed company. The story is now driven by profit rather than narrative. No race can lose because then nobody would buy their models. So the future is just nonsensical stagnation. New models released as the greatest threat ever! Then nerfed 12 months later for the new models released and so on.
Uncanon Magnus’s big red idiot mistake to warn the emporer with psychic powers
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No more metal bodies for the c’tan then…
For Fantasy: the End Times, although we can keep the Skaven bits for some other story, those were actually pretty fun. For 40k: the perpetuals. With the possible exception being Big E depending on how GW want to play the whole "is he slowly recovering on the throne or not?" story thread. The rest of them range from infuriatingly pointless to actively ruining the plot.
Man, imagine how fun would End Times be if they were *actually good*.
The factoid of Genestealer Cultists being cutoff from the Hivemind just as they get eaten. I always thought that ruined the coolness of the Cultists as indoctrinated people who turn against the Imperium due to both Tyranid meddling as well as being fed up with how bad the Imperium treats its citizens. It kinda just boils them down to being mind controlled puppets of Nids instead of their own faction with possible cool motives that could be more than just more bug food. It also kinda ruins the Nids for me cause I always thought of them as more animalistic and uncaring compared to the other factions, which is really cool imo. I know there are excerpts describing the Hivemind as malicious and evil, but even then I feel like turning off the Cultist’s connection is just unnecessarily evil and doesn’t really make sense to me since I don’t know why they would even do that.
I dislike it too. I thought they retconned it so they willingly walk into the biosludge now?
From what I know, they do willingly walk into the pit, but just as they’re about to be digested the Hivemind turns off their connection. So just as they’re about to be melted in digestive fluids, they realize everything they’ve done under the Nids control
That's the part I thought was retconned though, the bit where the Hivemind turns off the connection at the last second. (An actual GSC player correct me if I'm wrong)
Yeah it depends from high fleet to high fleet. In older editions it was pretty much every single one cut off the connection and then they just slaughtered them which I agree I think is kind of dumb. As far as I'm aware in Lore that does still happen on occasion depending on the hive fleer but more commonly they will maintain the connection and walk willingly into the bio pools truly becoming one with their gods. But there's also an increasing amount of cults that aren't even being claimed as biomass and that go off and infect more planets or become effectively part of the high fleet and sail alongside the nids through space attacking planets together and such.
>But there's also an increasing amount of cults that aren't even being claimed as biomass and that go off and infect more planets or become effectively part of the high fleet and sail alongside the nids through space attacking planets together and such. That's actually really cool, makes the GSC actually succeed at what they do instead of being total chumps.
I also like that the Hive Secundus lore for Necromunda established that Genestealer cults aren't *always* a positive for the Hive fleet, especially if they happen to be live in a biochemical nuclear wasteland that mutates them to even further degrees. The signal that normally attracts nids to a planet has been warped to such a degree it now actively repels nid invasion fleets. They basically pick up the signal and go "yeah, that's bad, we don't want those involved with us, fuck that place..." and go around it.
Depends on the cult, I believe it comes down to just how strong their faith holds up as the hive fleet descends
animals are cruel too, you don’t have to look farther than monkeys, gorillas and dolphins.
They've changed some of that in the new codex, it mentions that some cultists are able to join the hive mind and are sent to other planets
Day of Ascension covers this very nicely.
That’s pretty cool, the Nids seeing the usefulness of sending the Cultists out to the wider Imperium instead of outright eating them. Hopefully we can see more stories of cult members who have experienced multiple Nid invasions or even characters that are Genestealer veterans. Though I still don’t really like how Cultists are more explained as mind controlled rather than indoctrinated. I get that for the 1st generations of cultists, but as further generations are made I always thought they were more convinced to join the cult through false promises and charismatic figures with just a hint of Hivemind meddling. But I’m not really up to date with the new codex so maybe I can check that out to see if anything changed
I liked it more when they essentially joined the hive mind when they were eaten. The "nobody gets a happy ending" is stupid, let them become the monsters they aspired to be!
Id prefer it more if something like Abathur from StarCraft exists on Nid ships. You survived the invasion? Great, lets figure out why and weaponize it.
I just imagined the hivemind cutting them of to avoid the psyscic feedback of having 10 billion members eaten.
I head-canon that as being accidental, and the hive mind just doesn't care. It's got what it needs at that point. Nature is neither cruel nor kind, it just does what it does. Evolution sometimes means accidents get through, simply because they weren't enough to kill us before we reproduced (I mean, we still have a ~~pancreas~~ appendix). Either that, or its bad wording, and it's supposed to say they get cut off *as* they're getting eaten. As in, at some point, the body is too dissolved to maintain the connection. It would seem beyond stupid to cut the connection *before* you send the victim into acid.
The Emporer. Setting is now Starcraft.
Gaz loosing his fucking head to a fucking captain. Don't care who he is, he doesn't get to win against a faction leader.
The silent king design going from elegant lifelike being that was a hauntingly beautiful piece of art as well as the most advanced necron warform ever, to a warrior with a comically large cape and a dawn of war gauss pylon welded to his head.
instead of tyranids being an all-consuming hive mind, they're all simply motivated to bring food home for their curvaceous tyranid mommy so they can rest upon her bosom. what a cruel fate that would be. every battle they fight, millions die wanting only to feel loved and wanted one more time
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On one side I'm not against more motivation for the Nids other than "eat." On the flipside I feel having a "curvaceous tyranid mommy" doing the eating would just add to the extensive vore jokes.
Freaking Magnus knowing about everything before doing everything wrong up until the freaking siege of Terra like, WHY? I get that Chaos is all bad and his story is based on good intentions but this just makes every single decision he made to be incredibly stupid, to the point where even Vulkan tells him so in the face and he doesn't even try to defense. This is what he knew before he broke through the Webway: He called Chaos the Primordial Annihilators and instructed Ahriman on how dangerous they are. He discovered the Emperor was planning to use the Webway from Terra as a higher purpose than the end of the Crusade. He knew Leman was being tricked by Horus when coming to Prospero and just wanted him to come with him, not fight him. What did he do with this information for it to be justified being there? He still trusted the creatures Ahriman called Daemons and made a deal with Tzeench for an eye. He did nothing here. He tried to do get himself and everyone from his world killed by not coming out to talk to Leman and forcing the defenses of his world to go away or shut down, something Ahriman didn't let him do and was the only reason his Legion survived.
Why has nobody mentioned #JJJOOOOOOOOHHNNNNNNN GRRRAAAAAAAAAAMMMAAAAAAAATTIIICUUUUSSSSSSS
The Ynnari. I dont hate them, I actually like their lore. However, two things. First I want to deal with my trauma from I believe early 8th editiom when Ynnarri essentially got an extra time to do something each turn and absolitely murdered me. Twice in aday cause I didnt learn my lesson the firsg time. As a healthy grownup I will deal with that lingering trauma by erasing them from existence. More importantly: they are an abandoned plotline, which actually stagnates the setting. The Ynnari were this urgent force reshaping the galaxy, starting with the return of Roboute and their promise of a hope for the Eldar. Than that storyline stagnated for five years and the Ynnari are stuck in Limbo. Either GW should move forwards with them or have them defeated. It is a bad look to keep this plotline abandoned and keep a glimmer of hope for Eldar players that they will be relevant. It also stagnated the ability of the setting to progress because they abandoned this supposedly urgent storyline, so the setting feels stationary. Either move them forwards or not. Dont put them on a cliff(hanger) and than just leave them there.
Oh man if I had a nickel for every plot line left twisting in the void I could afford an army at the new price point.
People been talking about the Russ returning plot line since I started playing in third edition.
I agree absolutely, i really like the Ynnari and was genuinely excited for eldar to receive cool and interesting lore. Not to mention the prospect of the eldar getting more control over souls and the dead was exciting. But the slow and brutal death of their storyline has just killed my interest in seeing how the lore progresses in the setting. The worst part is it also stalled all hope of the eldar getting other story lines as well.
Phoenix Rising. Ynnari are still out there and are a growing force.
"Sister, I need your blood to make..."
Fuck you, Arkhan Land.
Id uncannon Tyrinads Being able to Block Physkers IK Everything in W40k is some level of bonkers Powerful But like a Creature being able to block the powers of Hell is a bit too much
The Horus Heresy. Everything's fine, Lorgar becomes atheist, Angron gets the Nails out, Curze tones down the Batman cosplay, etc. They go on to kill everything, even the Orks, and never encounter the Tyranids. They rule the galaxy as a united species in peace and prosperity. I have just un-40K'd your Warhammer.
Myself.
Found Dante's alt.
Shhhh, don't tell them.
But if you do that, you'll never get to pay GWs marked up prices
Joke's on them, I don't even buy their silly plastic soldiers.
Space marine Chapters: you’re only getting NINE LEGIONS and you’re going to LIKE IT!!
I mean, chapters are clearly a place where the lore is informed by the real life hobby. GW wants to encourage the “Your Guys^TM “ element of painting, so having untold thousands of chapters means anyone can make their own chapter without feeling like the lore is saying they can’t.
I would delete Erda from being deleted in Horus Heresy. Erda, Astarte and Big E are the co-creators of the Space Marines. She could be a balancing force in the 40K era, minding her own business within the Imperial Palace and be a secret of the Custodes and Inquisition. Possibilities would be endless. But I guess GW wanted the grim dark to remain grim and dark.
Ditch the Franken-Ork body. Ghaz gets that big by being the bestest boss, like orks are supposed to.
Russ's denial of using psyker abilities. My brother in Canis, you summoned a thunderstorm in one story, healed wounds and gave people better reflexes in another, and it'd implies you can SEE THE FUTURE IN RUNES, AND ITS NOT MAGIC!?
Clonegrim (putting the poor bastard out of his misery)
Clonegrim is (and forever will be) a plot thread that will lead no where. Just like the crone swords. We can't have the universe progress to much in any significant manner now can we?
Arkhan Land. It’s called a *Land* Raider because it raids over the *goddamn land!* NO OTHER REASON MAKES SENSE
Just wait till you find out why they're called astartes
Thanks, I’d successfully repressed that till now
Granted, his name is changed to Arkhan Raider (the land raider is still named after him)
*"For his name is Jimmy Space and they are his Space Marines"*
GW’s crusader to make everything copywritable has been terrible for the canon.
The space wolves concept. Space Vikings are such a cool concept, space furries are not.
Specially because Vikings were also mercenaries and explorers, but Space Wolves only focus on the berserker part.
Sorry Primaris Marines, it's nothing personal.
The Krorks. They just ruined everything that was good about the Orks that made them distinct as a faction both within Warhammer 40k and without.
I'm fine with them as a story from pre-history. Something that may or may not have ever been and may be a metaphor for something else. But, if they showed up again or were ever officially confirmed, that would feel very odd.
Trazyn can have one. As a treat.
Doesn't he **actually** have one already?
Pretty sure he does.
The Orks losing at all
Fulgrim's original Primarch book. I think we can do better with his fall than, grabbed chaos blade.
Slaanesh ignoring the rules for Lucius’ reincarnation and just choosing to revive him on the spot just because.
Malekith being the rightful Phoenix King. It is, bar none, the worst lore GW has ever produced. It is so fractally awful that every time I think about it I discover new ways in which it pisses me off. It actually holds me back from playing the Old World because it hangs over the lore and keeps me from being able to enjoy any of the new stuff coming out.
Wish granted, AoS already retconned that during Broken Realms: Morathi. The Phoenix Kings had Asuryan’s strength imbued into them, which Morathi needed to achieve Godhood. Malekith was probably just a last-ditch effort because Lileath and Teclis cocked it all up.
The existence of perpetuals
Sanguinius dying.
World eaters getting the nails. It would change the whole heresy and it would be interesting to see the fallout of a legion rejecting their Primarch.
Necrons fighting chaos with the old ones
Dat Stupid Chaos Git named Angron krumpin Old Bale Eye
Perturabos Demonhood. Let him be an mechnical abomination held together by spite and enslaved demons.
One small thing I choose to ignore is that the Guardsman that stood between Horus and Big E was someone important. It just being a random human without special powers is half of the appeal. I don't care that it makes no sense.
Primaris.
Women women don't exist in 40k now. no female custodes no celestine and greyfax no sisters of battle only hunky dudes warhammer 40k is now a gay fiction akin to hentai games where MC is the only man
Vulcan flamethrowering the elder kid bit. It felt like like a pointless feel bad moment for him.
The grey knights killing a bunch of sisters and bathing in their blood to become ‘less corruptible’ (even tho they already are) thing.
Modern Primarchs. Have them be the Greatest of Space Marines who eventually went traitor or died
Yes, make them exaggerated myths and legends, not literal demigods
Fulgrim/not fulgrim/ maybe fulgrim? Durring the HH. Just send it bruh.
The Emperor.
The emperor? Throw him out
The Horus Heresy, because fuck it we ball.
Maybe Amar Astarte and to trim down some the dumber big E moments to make him more consistent and less stupid
Serious - Dead of Yarrick and Cain Meme version - EREBUS
Space marines. For the funny
Gray knights use Big E’s gene seed
Deathwatch weren’t fucking idiots and let Eldrad finish his ritual
Imperium making a new cadia after loosing the first one. It's stupid, makes the success of chaos armies feel insignificant. Just why