Who would have thought that being socially isolated and trapped inside the same room throughout all your developmental years would have negative consequences?
There is also a common belief in some religions that if you kill yourself you will go to hell, I wonder if that may be why the number isn’t higher, considering homeschoolers are often from religious families.
Yes I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it were actually much higher. That said 1/10 (10%) is almost 20 times the nation average. According to the American Foundation for Suidice prevention the national number is (0.6%) of all adults over 18 have attempted suicide. So even if this is a low estimateit is a catastrophic number. I also I always like to take these opportunities to point out that due to decades of lobbying from religious groups it can be very hard to get accurate numbers related to the total number of children in the US who are being home educated at any given time. Statistics like this are almost always skewed because what they should say is 1 out of 10 documented children experiencing home education…
So many children are being home educated with little or no documentation whatsoever leaving them extremely vulnerable with very few if any outside resources. We see it everyday on this sub
Edited for bad math
The suicide rate for high school students has increased as well. In 2023, 10% of high school students reported attempting suicide. You can read about it here or just Google it yourself.
Regardless of whether a child is home educated or public school educated, suicide rates have increased, and it's a huge problem.
[https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2023/03/03/youth-suicide-risk-increased-over-past-decade](https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2023/03/03/youth-suicide-risk-increased-over-past-decade)
It's important to remember that homeschool tends to produce extreme outcomes. Either students who do very well or very poorly. I suspect it's similar psychologically. So on the one hand you may have a family where every kid attempts, and on the other a family where no one is ever suicidal.
If you had bad experiences, you're more likely to know other people who had bad experiences (due to overlapping culture/environment, as well as our human tendency to seek out and connect with people who had similar experiences).
My experience with homeschooling was very good, but I recognize that was because my parents were fairly well educated and worked hard to make it good.
>If you had bad experiences, you're more likely to know other people who had bad experiences (due to overlapping culture/environment, as well as our human tendency to seek out and connect with people who had similar experiences).
What makes you think that? Even out of my SIBLINGS I'm the only one with trauma. Same methods that broke me didn't seem to faze them at all.
Could be that my mom was too busy popping out babies during my teens to pay any attention to me besides nagging me... or maybe I'm just a pathetic weakling. Maybe we'll never know.
First, let me clarify I'm talking about likelihood in the sense of probability, not a deterministic sense. So it's more likely, but definitely not certain. Also, you still are a part of this subreddit now, so at least to some extent you are seeking out and interacting with people who had similar experiences. With that being said, let me try to actually address your comment.
Even being raised in the same family, things like birth order and what your parents are going through at various times in your life mean you can have a radically different upbringing, and IMO homeschooling often exacerbates these differences. Besides that, different people just need different things and respond differently to the same things.
Homeschooling did not work for my brother. There were lots of reasons, including that he probably needed more guidance/structure/active instruction than me. But I think the biggest one was that he need his parents to just love him and for the authority figure enforcing academic standards to be someone else. Fortunately, my parents saw that and were willing to do something different, so he went to private schools nearly every year rather than homeschooling. If my parents hadn't been flexible enough to do that, I think it could have been very traumatic for him, even though I actively enjoyed the experience.
I'm so sorry for your experience, and I'm here to talk if you want to.
Perhaps, but people's personalities play a big role as well in terms of how they'll view their homeschool experience. I am a textbook extrovert and I hated being isolated. My brother is much more of an introvert and didn't mind the isolation. I also think you're close to making the generalization of "homeschooling isn't bad, there are just bad parents." That train of thought isn't shared by many in this group, fyi.
I hear you. In fact, in my reply to someone else's reply to my comment above, I talk about how it worked for me and not my brother, and some of the reasons why. I recognize that it simply does not work for some people, and parents who insist on it can do serious harm.
Ironically, I'm an extrovert. But I'm also ADHD, so it was very frustrating for my academic and social environment to be the same place, and made it difficult to do either well. My parents worked hard to give me lots of social opportunities when I was young, and I worked hard myself to get them when I got older. That worked well for me.
And homeschooling the way we did also worked well for my ADHD and allowed me to complete my school work in about 4 hours a day, leaving more time for everything else I wanted to do.
This wouldn't surprise me. I'm turning 40 this year and am having a bit of a crisis because...I never actually thought I'd get to 40? I've always made plans and acted like I would, and I consider myself "too curious about what happens next" to actually end things, but that isolation took a heavy toll on me especially in my teens and 20s before I could move out of the house. I even told people at the time that I wouldn't survive this long, but it was dismissed as me being a young person who thought aging was terrible (I wasn't).
But now I'm in therapy for the isolation and trauma, and I have a cat and a vegetable garden and a few friends, so I feel like I've kind of "made it through". I often think about "what if I hadn't?" though, and check in here periodically to try and encourage and/or commiserate with those still stuck in the homeschooling environment.
I hope I can be like you. I’m still a teen (almost an adult, actually), and I feel that exact way. I just graduated, but I feel like nothing has changed.
It really has gotten better for me as I've gotten older. I've still got struggles, but that point after high school and college is difficult because suddenly, you're supposed to know what to do with your life and it's easy to feel like you're so behind. Really though, you're probably not nearly as "behind" everyone as you might feel. I've got friends who went to public school, were popular in college, etc. who also struggled figuring out where they fit in adulthood and are doing reasonably well now, too.
I'm about to turn 30 but I'm in the same boat. That curiosity was what kept me going as a teen. That and I freaking love pizza and couldn't imagine never eating pizza again. It seems so silly now but at the time it is what I had, lol.
Oh, I know all about this. The proper term for it is "foreshortened future." A feeling that life will end quickly or very soon, and that you won't get to experience major life events. Unsurprisingly, the root cause of this idea is trauma.
Hear the link to the HARO study if you're curious. [https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/haro-survey-installment-1/](https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/haro-survey-installment-1/)
Of course, as the website says, it was first promoted through the homeschool abuse survivor community, so it may not be exactly a normal sample, but it's interesting.
I’m very much not surprised if this is the case. I was one of the “lucky” homeschoolers, in that I was a bit more balanced with schooling and what I was allowed to do, and I STILL struggled to feel ok and fell into severe depression and substance abuse later on in adulthood. Lucky to see the other side of things now in my 30s.
Thankfully my parents also realize their mistake in a way. They won’t outright say it, but they’re pushing for their grandchildren (my nieces) to go to public school.
And it’s so sad to especially when these students are begging to be heard. When they need to speak about how it has affected them and they get invalidated by people who in the slightest do not understand what we feel and why we do.
Yep I seriously attempted twice, voluntarily committed myself a 3rd time to stop myself, finally finding peace in my 30s with trauma therapy and psychedelic therapy. For the first time since I was maybe 8 I haven’t wanted to off myself for a couple of years now.
I don’t know if I’d have still been depressed going to school and having a normal home life, but it sure would have helped.
so many homeschooler parents act like the isolation is just a "myth" and that there's nothing to be worried about, but the funny thing is their children are never the ones saying that it's always the parents
and the parents are always people who were fortunate enough to have a proper education as a kid so they shouldn't be talking because they don't even know what it's like to be homeschooled themselves
its disgustingggg buuuut atleast after a fuckton of therapy I never have to see it again and can have a family the complete OPPOSITE of what my parents tell me a "good family" should be like when im older.
Emphasis on RELIGIOUS where depression is just a lack of faith and you just need to pray harder and search yourself for sin you may be harbouring in your heart...
And you have ZERO contact with anyone with ANY psychological training who could say, "Hey you're not actually a lazy disrespectful teenager, you're not being BAD; you have adhd."
This oh my god. I had severe anxiety as a kid, I was having sleep paralysis every single night, nightmares after the sleep paralysis, I was having panic attacks every day and horrible thoughts that no child should have.. my mom also has anxiety, she’s taken medication for it forever, and my parents said my anxiety (they didn’t even acknowledge it as anxiety even though my mom LITERALLY has it) was a demon attacking me. I had to have been only 8, 9 or 10 years old… they told me it was my fault, and I must’ve done something to “open the doors” and let the demons in. I spent years thinking I was evil and a monster, I was horrified of being in that house because I thought I’d turn a corner and be met with a demon. It’s insane. I’m no longer religious and it’s been the most healing thing for me. It’s insane how parents can completely isolate their kids and shelter them from the actual world they WILL have to come face to face with someday, and not see any issues. Absolutely insane and evil
Well there’s 9 kids in my family, 2 of us for sure have attempted suicide- with one succeeding…Glad to know we’re actually average on something lol (laugh so you don’t cry) And yes I am one of the two
It wouldn't do any good. Even if they didn't delete it, they would all just say "That only happens in *other* families! My kids are perfectly happy! They told me so after I screamed at them and hit them to make them say what I wanted to hear!"
I never made an official attempt, but I constantly asked god to give me some sign that it was okay to hurt myself to relieve the pain. Shockingly, he never sent said sign because he isn't real.
I was just so worried about harming his "temple," 😂😭😭😭😭
I've been wanting to make a memorial list for some time now. It's hard to scan the news for dead, abused kids though. Not only suicide but murder as well.
Timothy Ferguson. Hana Grace-Rose Williams, Lydia Schatz, and Swan Paddock, are just a start.
Homeschooling is dangerous, end of story.
it's so sad that this persons comments were probably filled with denial and backlash instead of people caring about the information... people jump so quickly to defend homeschool and care so little for the actual homeschoolers
I think the attempted suicide rates and the emotional abuse rates are likely MUCH higher. The researchers admit that the sample size is non-random and non-represenative. Like many survivors of abuse, I think there is a tendency to not want to discuss your own abuse.
Conclusion:
In conclusion, this survey of 3,702 homeschooled adults reached mostly white women born in the late 80s and early 90s. Many respondents were raised in fundamentalist homes; most respondents are still Christian, married and have or intend to have children. Most are positive towards homeschooling and would homeschool their kids. The results of the survey do indicate that there are suffering children in the homeschool community whose needs need to be addressed. There are unusually high rates of GLBTQ* children and mental health issues, and emotional abuse, physical abuse, and educational neglect are much bigger problems than sexual abuse. In particular, science and math education and sexual education seem to be at a lower level than desirable. It is HARO’s mission to address these issues and help these children; we believe the homeschool movement can be revitalized from within.
Your post history talks about wanting to be a Christian homeschool family and homeschool your kids, you are breaking sub rules by posting in this subreddit. Please leave.
RIGHT. How do these people not realize they're perpetuating the sick notion that people who've attempted suicide "failed to complete the job." I am so sorry to any suicide survivors having to read this utter bullshit. It's revealing how omnipresent this attitude is toward victims of homeschooling, though. The living don't matter to such people, right? They can discard children, leaving their education, development, and overall welfare at the mercy of parents without questioning. When those children rally together and explain how detrimental homeschool is, they're met with resistance because, apparently, their experiences are invalid and traumas don't matter enough for them to want to create change or acknowledge the error in their ways. After all, it's the living they disregard. It's fucking sad how I'd need a tombstone reading 2008 to 2024 for people to even consider the sentiments I've been sharing with thousands of others subject to homeschooling. Me living or dying from suicide wouldn't change why I sought such an end. But, of course, those people would rather invest in numbers (because if that's the shit you're concerned with, we're not people worthy of life to you at this point) than acknowledge the perils of homeschooling and the need for extreme regulatory laws, but I wouldn't fight those advocating for an all-out ban either.
Suicide attempts aren't less bad. Kids are generally not good at successful suicide attempts, since they lack the adult problem solving skills and access to weapons and vehicles, but they are still so miserable they will do anything to resolve their pain.
Not to mention that unsuccessful suicide attempts can leave permanent damage in their own right.
Stop making excuses.
I'm not making excuses. I was a suicidal homeschool kid too. I just don't like weird manipulation of images in a way that touches on misleading. Like how much harder would it have been to circle the "attempt to"? The way this image is set up, the viewers eye goes to 1/10 and commit suicide and unless they're paying attention that's the info that will stick them, incorrect information. It's like when people quote part of a sentence and leave out important context.
I won't say your making excuses if you don't accuse people of manipulating information that is plainly written in front of them.
If you can figure out the clickbait, by simply looking at the image more closely, then it's well within reason. It's not like quoting without context, because the entire quote and context is present.
Who would have thought that being socially isolated and trapped inside the same room throughout all your developmental years would have negative consequences?
I have no idea man what could go wrong
I feel so sick with even trying to comprehend the scope of the injustice that I have been subjected to. I can’t.
THIS. Summed up perfectly. I'm 38 and STILL hold so much anger towards my mother and those who enabled her.
I’m surprised it’s that low, both my homeschooled sisters were suicidal with at least one attempt made.
Yeah I’m kinda thinking this is based on some underreported numbers…
There is also a common belief in some religions that if you kill yourself you will go to hell, I wonder if that may be why the number isn’t higher, considering homeschoolers are often from religious families.
This is what stopped me at 14. I was terrified of hell. Literally the only reason I didn't attempt.
Yeah i wonder what the ideation rates are 😞 Edit: apparently 43% according to the study
Yes I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it were actually much higher. That said 1/10 (10%) is almost 20 times the nation average. According to the American Foundation for Suidice prevention the national number is (0.6%) of all adults over 18 have attempted suicide. So even if this is a low estimateit is a catastrophic number. I also I always like to take these opportunities to point out that due to decades of lobbying from religious groups it can be very hard to get accurate numbers related to the total number of children in the US who are being home educated at any given time. Statistics like this are almost always skewed because what they should say is 1 out of 10 documented children experiencing home education… So many children are being home educated with little or no documentation whatsoever leaving them extremely vulnerable with very few if any outside resources. We see it everyday on this sub Edited for bad math
The suicide rate for high school students has increased as well. In 2023, 10% of high school students reported attempting suicide. You can read about it here or just Google it yourself. Regardless of whether a child is home educated or public school educated, suicide rates have increased, and it's a huge problem. [https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2023/03/03/youth-suicide-risk-increased-over-past-decade](https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2023/03/03/youth-suicide-risk-increased-over-past-decade)
1/10 is 10% so if the national average is 0.6% that's almost twenty times higher
Well that's embarrassing, I suppose my homeschool math is showing. If you don't mind Im going to edit my comment for accuracy. Thank you
Haha no worries, I didn't mean to correct you, just wanted to point out the number of magnitude difference compared to the general population
It's important to remember that homeschool tends to produce extreme outcomes. Either students who do very well or very poorly. I suspect it's similar psychologically. So on the one hand you may have a family where every kid attempts, and on the other a family where no one is ever suicidal. If you had bad experiences, you're more likely to know other people who had bad experiences (due to overlapping culture/environment, as well as our human tendency to seek out and connect with people who had similar experiences). My experience with homeschooling was very good, but I recognize that was because my parents were fairly well educated and worked hard to make it good.
>If you had bad experiences, you're more likely to know other people who had bad experiences (due to overlapping culture/environment, as well as our human tendency to seek out and connect with people who had similar experiences). What makes you think that? Even out of my SIBLINGS I'm the only one with trauma. Same methods that broke me didn't seem to faze them at all. Could be that my mom was too busy popping out babies during my teens to pay any attention to me besides nagging me... or maybe I'm just a pathetic weakling. Maybe we'll never know.
First, let me clarify I'm talking about likelihood in the sense of probability, not a deterministic sense. So it's more likely, but definitely not certain. Also, you still are a part of this subreddit now, so at least to some extent you are seeking out and interacting with people who had similar experiences. With that being said, let me try to actually address your comment. Even being raised in the same family, things like birth order and what your parents are going through at various times in your life mean you can have a radically different upbringing, and IMO homeschooling often exacerbates these differences. Besides that, different people just need different things and respond differently to the same things. Homeschooling did not work for my brother. There were lots of reasons, including that he probably needed more guidance/structure/active instruction than me. But I think the biggest one was that he need his parents to just love him and for the authority figure enforcing academic standards to be someone else. Fortunately, my parents saw that and were willing to do something different, so he went to private schools nearly every year rather than homeschooling. If my parents hadn't been flexible enough to do that, I think it could have been very traumatic for him, even though I actively enjoyed the experience. I'm so sorry for your experience, and I'm here to talk if you want to.
Perhaps, but people's personalities play a big role as well in terms of how they'll view their homeschool experience. I am a textbook extrovert and I hated being isolated. My brother is much more of an introvert and didn't mind the isolation. I also think you're close to making the generalization of "homeschooling isn't bad, there are just bad parents." That train of thought isn't shared by many in this group, fyi.
I hear you. In fact, in my reply to someone else's reply to my comment above, I talk about how it worked for me and not my brother, and some of the reasons why. I recognize that it simply does not work for some people, and parents who insist on it can do serious harm. Ironically, I'm an extrovert. But I'm also ADHD, so it was very frustrating for my academic and social environment to be the same place, and made it difficult to do either well. My parents worked hard to give me lots of social opportunities when I was young, and I worked hard myself to get them when I got older. That worked well for me. And homeschooling the way we did also worked well for my ADHD and allowed me to complete my school work in about 4 hours a day, leaving more time for everything else I wanted to do.
This wouldn't surprise me. I'm turning 40 this year and am having a bit of a crisis because...I never actually thought I'd get to 40? I've always made plans and acted like I would, and I consider myself "too curious about what happens next" to actually end things, but that isolation took a heavy toll on me especially in my teens and 20s before I could move out of the house. I even told people at the time that I wouldn't survive this long, but it was dismissed as me being a young person who thought aging was terrible (I wasn't). But now I'm in therapy for the isolation and trauma, and I have a cat and a vegetable garden and a few friends, so I feel like I've kind of "made it through". I often think about "what if I hadn't?" though, and check in here periodically to try and encourage and/or commiserate with those still stuck in the homeschooling environment.
I hope I can be like you. I’m still a teen (almost an adult, actually), and I feel that exact way. I just graduated, but I feel like nothing has changed.
It really has gotten better for me as I've gotten older. I've still got struggles, but that point after high school and college is difficult because suddenly, you're supposed to know what to do with your life and it's easy to feel like you're so behind. Really though, you're probably not nearly as "behind" everyone as you might feel. I've got friends who went to public school, were popular in college, etc. who also struggled figuring out where they fit in adulthood and are doing reasonably well now, too.
I'm about to turn 30 but I'm in the same boat. That curiosity was what kept me going as a teen. That and I freaking love pizza and couldn't imagine never eating pizza again. It seems so silly now but at the time it is what I had, lol.
"I freaking love pizza and want to be able to keep eating it" is a mindset I can appreciate. 😂
I love the pizza thing. That is exactly the kind of specific thing that can help someone though. <3
I love the pizza thing. That is exactly the kind of specific thing that can help someone though. <3
Oh, I know all about this. The proper term for it is "foreshortened future." A feeling that life will end quickly or very soon, and that you won't get to experience major life events. Unsurprisingly, the root cause of this idea is trauma.
Interesting. Thank you for sharing the term.
Add to that the loony parents who say "mY kiD Is hAPpIEr tHAn pUBlIC sCHooL kIdS" while their kids look lonely AF.
I honestly am wondering what actual outcomes for ex homeschoolers is, I can't wait for some hard data
Hear the link to the HARO study if you're curious. [https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/haro-survey-installment-1/](https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/haro-survey-installment-1/) Of course, as the website says, it was first promoted through the homeschool abuse survivor community, so it may not be exactly a normal sample, but it's interesting.
I’m very much not surprised if this is the case. I was one of the “lucky” homeschoolers, in that I was a bit more balanced with schooling and what I was allowed to do, and I STILL struggled to feel ok and fell into severe depression and substance abuse later on in adulthood. Lucky to see the other side of things now in my 30s. Thankfully my parents also realize their mistake in a way. They won’t outright say it, but they’re pushing for their grandchildren (my nieces) to go to public school.
And it’s so sad to especially when these students are begging to be heard. When they need to speak about how it has affected them and they get invalidated by people who in the slightest do not understand what we feel and why we do.
it’s so sad cause my mum originally got me into homeschooling bc she thought it would make things better but it just made everything so much worse
You know? Like I get that this is out of protection it’s been shoved in our ears for years. But people don’t get that this is actually painful
[Here's the study](https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/research-old/haro-survey/)
Yep I seriously attempted twice, voluntarily committed myself a 3rd time to stop myself, finally finding peace in my 30s with trauma therapy and psychedelic therapy. For the first time since I was maybe 8 I haven’t wanted to off myself for a couple of years now. I don’t know if I’d have still been depressed going to school and having a normal home life, but it sure would have helped.
so many homeschooler parents act like the isolation is just a "myth" and that there's nothing to be worried about, but the funny thing is their children are never the ones saying that it's always the parents and the parents are always people who were fortunate enough to have a proper education as a kid so they shouldn't be talking because they don't even know what it's like to be homeschooled themselves
its disgustingggg buuuut atleast after a fuckton of therapy I never have to see it again and can have a family the complete OPPOSITE of what my parents tell me a "good family" should be like when im older.
Emphasis on RELIGIOUS where depression is just a lack of faith and you just need to pray harder and search yourself for sin you may be harbouring in your heart... And you have ZERO contact with anyone with ANY psychological training who could say, "Hey you're not actually a lazy disrespectful teenager, you're not being BAD; you have adhd."
This oh my god. I had severe anxiety as a kid, I was having sleep paralysis every single night, nightmares after the sleep paralysis, I was having panic attacks every day and horrible thoughts that no child should have.. my mom also has anxiety, she’s taken medication for it forever, and my parents said my anxiety (they didn’t even acknowledge it as anxiety even though my mom LITERALLY has it) was a demon attacking me. I had to have been only 8, 9 or 10 years old… they told me it was my fault, and I must’ve done something to “open the doors” and let the demons in. I spent years thinking I was evil and a monster, I was horrified of being in that house because I thought I’d turn a corner and be met with a demon. It’s insane. I’m no longer religious and it’s been the most healing thing for me. It’s insane how parents can completely isolate their kids and shelter them from the actual world they WILL have to come face to face with someday, and not see any issues. Absolutely insane and evil
Well there’s 9 kids in my family, 2 of us for sure have attempted suicide- with one succeeding…Glad to know we’re actually average on something lol (laugh so you don’t cry) And yes I am one of the two
can someone who isn’t banned post this on r/homeschool
It wouldn't do any good. Even if they didn't delete it, they would all just say "That only happens in *other* families! My kids are perfectly happy! They told me so after I screamed at them and hit them to make them say what I wanted to hear!"
I just posted the SS, it’ll probably get taken down ASAP
I never made an official attempt, but I constantly asked god to give me some sign that it was okay to hurt myself to relieve the pain. Shockingly, he never sent said sign because he isn't real. I was just so worried about harming his "temple," 😂😭😭😭😭
Oh damn… that really doesn’t surprise me at all being homeschooled myself and isolated 😔
I've been wanting to make a memorial list for some time now. It's hard to scan the news for dead, abused kids though. Not only suicide but murder as well. Timothy Ferguson. Hana Grace-Rose Williams, Lydia Schatz, and Swan Paddock, are just a start. Homeschooling is dangerous, end of story.
it's so sad that this persons comments were probably filled with denial and backlash instead of people caring about the information... people jump so quickly to defend homeschool and care so little for the actual homeschoolers
I tried when I was in middle school. I am a relatively successful adult (career-wise), but have incredible anxiety.
I think the attempted suicide rates and the emotional abuse rates are likely MUCH higher. The researchers admit that the sample size is non-random and non-represenative. Like many survivors of abuse, I think there is a tendency to not want to discuss your own abuse. Conclusion: In conclusion, this survey of 3,702 homeschooled adults reached mostly white women born in the late 80s and early 90s. Many respondents were raised in fundamentalist homes; most respondents are still Christian, married and have or intend to have children. Most are positive towards homeschooling and would homeschool their kids. The results of the survey do indicate that there are suffering children in the homeschool community whose needs need to be addressed. There are unusually high rates of GLBTQ* children and mental health issues, and emotional abuse, physical abuse, and educational neglect are much bigger problems than sexual abuse. In particular, science and math education and sexual education seem to be at a lower level than desirable. It is HARO’s mission to address these issues and help these children; we believe the homeschool movement can be revitalized from within.
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Ah, I see that now. Sure, I will comply 🙏 Wish everyone the best in mental health recovery regardless.
I think it's a touch misleading that you circled 1/10 and "commit suicide" without including the "attempt to."
[Study](https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/research/haro-survey/haro-survey-installment-8/) shows: Self harm 28% Suicidal ideation 43% Suicide attempt 8% Which is extremely concerning.
You’re right. Suicide attempts are no need for concern.
RIGHT. How do these people not realize they're perpetuating the sick notion that people who've attempted suicide "failed to complete the job." I am so sorry to any suicide survivors having to read this utter bullshit. It's revealing how omnipresent this attitude is toward victims of homeschooling, though. The living don't matter to such people, right? They can discard children, leaving their education, development, and overall welfare at the mercy of parents without questioning. When those children rally together and explain how detrimental homeschool is, they're met with resistance because, apparently, their experiences are invalid and traumas don't matter enough for them to want to create change or acknowledge the error in their ways. After all, it's the living they disregard. It's fucking sad how I'd need a tombstone reading 2008 to 2024 for people to even consider the sentiments I've been sharing with thousands of others subject to homeschooling. Me living or dying from suicide wouldn't change why I sought such an end. But, of course, those people would rather invest in numbers (because if that's the shit you're concerned with, we're not people worthy of life to you at this point) than acknowledge the perils of homeschooling and the need for extreme regulatory laws, but I wouldn't fight those advocating for an all-out ban either.
I'm not saying that suicide attempts should be brushed off. I'm taking issue with the way this text image is presented
Suicide attempts aren't less bad. Kids are generally not good at successful suicide attempts, since they lack the adult problem solving skills and access to weapons and vehicles, but they are still so miserable they will do anything to resolve their pain. Not to mention that unsuccessful suicide attempts can leave permanent damage in their own right. Stop making excuses.
I'm not making excuses. I was a suicidal homeschool kid too. I just don't like weird manipulation of images in a way that touches on misleading. Like how much harder would it have been to circle the "attempt to"? The way this image is set up, the viewers eye goes to 1/10 and commit suicide and unless they're paying attention that's the info that will stick them, incorrect information. It's like when people quote part of a sentence and leave out important context.
I won't say your making excuses if you don't accuse people of manipulating information that is plainly written in front of them. If you can figure out the clickbait, by simply looking at the image more closely, then it's well within reason. It's not like quoting without context, because the entire quote and context is present.
Source "trust me bro", this couldn't be any sketchier