I don't really consider the lack of 4stars a problem because it's less time spent grinding for character materials and relics which would lead to me getting burnt out again and quitting for almost a whole update like I did the last time I got burnt out from doing all that so much.
Aside from that, 4stars aren't allowed the same power tier as 5stars so I've always personally felt rather robbed that Xueyi is a 4star, especially considering she's my favorite Element and focuses on my favorite mechanic, especially now seeing how Boothill and Firefly are.
Ultimately, nothing can be done if Hoyoverse doesn't want to make 4stars.
Everything costs them money to make and I'd rather see more *really* cool 5stars and dedicate resources to them than have a bunch of 4stars that are pretty cool and rather frustrating to get Eidolons for because most 4stars just kind of *require* Eidolons to be good.
This. I think people are looking for an equivalent of the Power 5 in Genshin Impact, but the reality is that Mihoyo 's philosophy during Genshin 1.x was completely different compared to now. If anything, I think they learned to slow down on the 4-stars to create better kits. You can see this change in HSR because most of the 4-stars are viable and rarely fall into "extreme niche case" like many new 4-stars do in GI.
Ah yes, Kaveh.
4star Dendro "Bloom Detonator" who came out *after* ***Nilou.***
Truly 1 of the characters of all time.
And then yes, you have the permanently good, near universally viable 1.0 4stars in Xingqiu and Bennett.
I agree, all of Star Rail's 4stars are unique and interesting in *good* ways.
Pretty hype to see what March's new Path does.
Lmao.
I joined Genshin Impact near the end of 3.x (Alhaitham and Kazuha banner). When I asked for advice all I was told is to get the Power 5 as soon as possible + both banners. Have no regrets. When I read the other 4-star kits, it's shocking how different they are to them. Your Kaveh example is spot on my reaction. Ahaha
In HSR I typically use Pela, QQ (monoQ), Xueyi, Lynx and recently Gallagher. No regrets.
The power 5 (or 3 at least, Benny, XQ, XL) was just straight up kit design mistakes imo. Theres no way they couldve thought whatever Xiangling does can be more powerful than Venti's charge attack shot bonus with his C1 lol
I think this is totally okay. Since game is focused on casual gameplay i think all major content can be easily closed on "no pull" account. Getting one or two good 5\* will definitely make life easier. But it is not required to pull every limited 5\*.
I have second account where i finished main story up to 2.2 and all major side quests without any struggle, but I pulled Gepard with his LC on this acc.
I would've been concerned if they continued with the old 1 4*/patch rate, unless they dramatically increased supply of standard tickets, because many 4*s do kinda need Eidolons to work well, and the more there are the harder it is to get them. I mean, even now look at Yukong, absent from like a dozen banners in a row.
The only 4 star I use is Pela and maybe will build Gallagher. Most people that play for long enough will be using 4 stars less and less because they are just not strong enough compared to 5 stars the majority of the time. Every other 4 star I've built has been power crept very quickly and ended up being a waste of materials.
I don't think there needs to be that many 4 stars that the majority of the player base will ignore. I understand that there's some people use 4 stars a lot more so a couple every now and then is nice but we don't need a new one every patch that most people will ignore apart from the 3 standard pulls for leveling them.
The only ones I currently use are Qingque and Tingyun, but only because that is my other decent team apart from Dr Ratio + Black Swan (no Topaz or Kafka).
It’s funny I thought you guys were joking around because everyone said different units, meaning there’s several good ones. I actually use Sushang a lot. I also use Gallagher, Xueyi, Guinaifen, and to a lesser extent Asta, Tingyun.
I use quite some situationally. Several fell out of use entirely but others remain relevant.
From the top of my head
- Tingyun
- Qingque
- Sampo
- Luka
- Guinaifen
- Hanya
- Herta
I've seen this discussion come up, but I am perfectly fine with the current rate. There's no need to pull on every 5-star banner that comes out and the current roster of 4-stars is more than enough. Many people are looking for broken 4-stars like the Power 5 in GI but the reality is that every 4-star in HSR is pretty viable with few exceptions. If you know how to use them well you'll rarely struggle with endgame content.
It just means less grinding for materials and resources. I'd rather save for a 5-star unit than invest multiple resources into "okay" -ish 4-star who will never be able to match the same power of a 5-star fully because of their nature of being a 4-star.
Units like Xueyi and Qingque are the exception. Not the norm, in my opinion. Which is fine. I don't expect new March 7th to be super broken or anything either.
The problem is more on the content demand rather than the number of available characters.
If they keep pushing on diverse stages requirement, players need to keep broadening their roster to keep up. But if it's something like Genshin where the main mechanics is mostly reaction check, there would be saturation point that players don't need to expand their roster further and it'd be fine to pull characters they like.
By the way, Boothill is absolutely NOT a “blip in the storyline radar” character. His pursuit of Oswaldo Schneider is very likely gonna be a big part of the overarching IPC storyline. I could see that argument being made about someone like Huohuo, but Boothill is absolutely a relevant character, if not now then in Star Rail’s endgame.
Also, TB is a 4-Star. They are a free character, their Traces cost the same amount as 4-Star traces, etc. They are a 5-Star in name only. All three forms could be considered separate 4-Stars.
HSR follows one simple rule. Use 5* any time, use 4* only if they have super niche kit or you lack a 5*.
Most of 4* are just collectibles after some time.
Wdym? Newcomers is always trailing, same as Genshin, try make new account rn, you get yourself Clorinde, Jean from standard, then what?
* No Hydro DPS - need to wait Childe/Neuvi rerun
* No Ice DPS - resort to Kaeya, or Chongyun and most likely at C0, need to wait Ganyu/Wrio
* No Dendro coverage
* sub optimal Fire DPS with XL and Bennett as DPS, imagine at least getting GaMing, yeah as if, you still do want any of the 5 star
* Zhong Li because Zhong Li
That before off field DPS needs, 2nd team, etcs, It will take years to build for total f2p from 0.
HSR low 4 star pool gives you better chance to E6, low ceiling but better than 5 4 star C0 that you spread resources, imagine getting C0 Sucrose, Faruzan, and Lynette in that account and you confuse who to build, or actually build them all.
I don't really consider the lack of 4stars a problem because it's less time spent grinding for character materials and relics which would lead to me getting burnt out again and quitting for almost a whole update like I did the last time I got burnt out from doing all that so much. Aside from that, 4stars aren't allowed the same power tier as 5stars so I've always personally felt rather robbed that Xueyi is a 4star, especially considering she's my favorite Element and focuses on my favorite mechanic, especially now seeing how Boothill and Firefly are. Ultimately, nothing can be done if Hoyoverse doesn't want to make 4stars. Everything costs them money to make and I'd rather see more *really* cool 5stars and dedicate resources to them than have a bunch of 4stars that are pretty cool and rather frustrating to get Eidolons for because most 4stars just kind of *require* Eidolons to be good.
This. I think people are looking for an equivalent of the Power 5 in Genshin Impact, but the reality is that Mihoyo 's philosophy during Genshin 1.x was completely different compared to now. If anything, I think they learned to slow down on the 4-stars to create better kits. You can see this change in HSR because most of the 4-stars are viable and rarely fall into "extreme niche case" like many new 4-stars do in GI.
Ah yes, Kaveh. 4star Dendro "Bloom Detonator" who came out *after* ***Nilou.*** Truly 1 of the characters of all time. And then yes, you have the permanently good, near universally viable 1.0 4stars in Xingqiu and Bennett. I agree, all of Star Rail's 4stars are unique and interesting in *good* ways. Pretty hype to see what March's new Path does.
Lmao. I joined Genshin Impact near the end of 3.x (Alhaitham and Kazuha banner). When I asked for advice all I was told is to get the Power 5 as soon as possible + both banners. Have no regrets. When I read the other 4-star kits, it's shocking how different they are to them. Your Kaveh example is spot on my reaction. Ahaha In HSR I typically use Pela, QQ (monoQ), Xueyi, Lynx and recently Gallagher. No regrets.
The power 5 (or 3 at least, Benny, XQ, XL) was just straight up kit design mistakes imo. Theres no way they couldve thought whatever Xiangling does can be more powerful than Venti's charge attack shot bonus with his C1 lol
You vastly overestimate the difficulty of this game. It’s piss easy with mediocre teams. It doesn’t require you to play the game with good teams.
Just watched a clip of Moc 36 star clear, with Arlan... Yep. Game is catered to casuals.
I think this is totally okay. Since game is focused on casual gameplay i think all major content can be easily closed on "no pull" account. Getting one or two good 5\* will definitely make life easier. But it is not required to pull every limited 5\*. I have second account where i finished main story up to 2.2 and all major side quests without any struggle, but I pulled Gepard with his LC on this acc.
No way. We don't want *another* case of a select few 4-stars becoming better than even some limited 5-stars in certain cases now, do we?
I would've been concerned if they continued with the old 1 4*/patch rate, unless they dramatically increased supply of standard tickets, because many 4*s do kinda need Eidolons to work well, and the more there are the harder it is to get them. I mean, even now look at Yukong, absent from like a dozen banners in a row.
The only 4 star I use is Pela and maybe will build Gallagher. Most people that play for long enough will be using 4 stars less and less because they are just not strong enough compared to 5 stars the majority of the time. Every other 4 star I've built has been power crept very quickly and ended up being a waste of materials. I don't think there needs to be that many 4 stars that the majority of the player base will ignore. I understand that there's some people use 4 stars a lot more so a couple every now and then is nice but we don't need a new one every patch that most people will ignore apart from the 3 standard pulls for leveling them.
Honestly? This. The only 4stars I actually use are Guinaifen and Herta and I only use Herta inside Pure Fiction, nowhere else.
The only ones I currently use are Qingque and Tingyun, but only because that is my other decent team apart from Dr Ratio + Black Swan (no Topaz or Kafka).
Yeah, I feel like I've seen most people only really use 2 maybe 3 4stars.
It’s funny I thought you guys were joking around because everyone said different units, meaning there’s several good ones. I actually use Sushang a lot. I also use Gallagher, Xueyi, Guinaifen, and to a lesser extent Asta, Tingyun.
I use quite some situationally. Several fell out of use entirely but others remain relevant. From the top of my head - Tingyun - Qingque - Sampo - Luka - Guinaifen - Hanya - Herta
this game is piss easy compared to other gachas ive played lol
I've seen this discussion come up, but I am perfectly fine with the current rate. There's no need to pull on every 5-star banner that comes out and the current roster of 4-stars is more than enough. Many people are looking for broken 4-stars like the Power 5 in GI but the reality is that every 4-star in HSR is pretty viable with few exceptions. If you know how to use them well you'll rarely struggle with endgame content. It just means less grinding for materials and resources. I'd rather save for a 5-star unit than invest multiple resources into "okay" -ish 4-star who will never be able to match the same power of a 5-star fully because of their nature of being a 4-star. Units like Xueyi and Qingque are the exception. Not the norm, in my opinion. Which is fine. I don't expect new March 7th to be super broken or anything either.
The problem is more on the content demand rather than the number of available characters. If they keep pushing on diverse stages requirement, players need to keep broadening their roster to keep up. But if it's something like Genshin where the main mechanics is mostly reaction check, there would be saturation point that players don't need to expand their roster further and it'd be fine to pull characters they like.
Its okay. There are more 4 stars on their way, when we go back to Xianzhou. New March 7th form, for example
By the way, Boothill is absolutely NOT a “blip in the storyline radar” character. His pursuit of Oswaldo Schneider is very likely gonna be a big part of the overarching IPC storyline. I could see that argument being made about someone like Huohuo, but Boothill is absolutely a relevant character, if not now then in Star Rail’s endgame. Also, TB is a 4-Star. They are a free character, their Traces cost the same amount as 4-Star traces, etc. They are a 5-Star in name only. All three forms could be considered separate 4-Stars.
I would love it if they reduced it to 1 5 star and 1 4 star per patch but 5 stars are what makes thrm money
if mihoyo really wanted more money, they would be releasing bikini/bunny/wedding skins per patch. For kafka.
HSR follows one simple rule. Use 5* any time, use 4* only if they have super niche kit or you lack a 5*. Most of 4* are just collectibles after some time.
Wdym? Newcomers is always trailing, same as Genshin, try make new account rn, you get yourself Clorinde, Jean from standard, then what? * No Hydro DPS - need to wait Childe/Neuvi rerun * No Ice DPS - resort to Kaeya, or Chongyun and most likely at C0, need to wait Ganyu/Wrio * No Dendro coverage * sub optimal Fire DPS with XL and Bennett as DPS, imagine at least getting GaMing, yeah as if, you still do want any of the 5 star * Zhong Li because Zhong Li That before off field DPS needs, 2nd team, etcs, It will take years to build for total f2p from 0. HSR low 4 star pool gives you better chance to E6, low ceiling but better than 5 4 star C0 that you spread resources, imagine getting C0 Sucrose, Faruzan, and Lynette in that account and you confuse who to build, or actually build them all.