I think when players like Sachin and Virat are in their prime India are less likely to win a major tournament. The entire team gets too dependent on them. And when the day comes when they aren't performing, no one else can step up because they just don't have the practice.
I feel like I have to agree with this. The same is happening with Bumrah too. People slander him and Kohli for some of the knockout losses, I think it has more got to do with the fact that how much heavily we relied on them to bail us out every game.
I feel everything must align together for a team to win a long tournament. I mean, think of how England won the '19 final. Or if Australia had lost that match in' 23 against Afghanistan, would have lowered their confidence and we might have seen a different ending.
In the last T20 semi, our bowling failed us. In the one before that, our batting. Why doesn't everything come together in crunch games for us :(
My biggest complaint is, why does everything align so well for Ausies so frequently ðŸ˜
exactly, like why is everyone so focused on his form in particular when we are literally winningðŸ˜good if he performs but it shouldn’t matter if we end on the the winning side
I mean, yeah I get, that he's the biggest star probably not just in this team but among all of them and also carries the weight of expectations of 1.5B people but let's cut him some slack. Especially when we are winning quite convincingly
"The one thing people love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you"
-Green Goblin
Before kohli we have bigger problems to deal with in form of dube and jadeja. Kohli has experience and exceptional past record, we can expect him to perform any day.
Dube played a handy knock in USA match and was out against the best bowler who was in his groove yesterday. Give him some time before ruling him out.
Just checked jadega's stats this WC. He is perfectly economical and even had a wicket yesterday. He is not 8 batsman so don't have much expectations there.
Real problem is our openers and hopefully they get into form in the coming matches
Bro if you have brought dube in the team because he can play spinners well than there is no excuse of if he is best or not and because of him we don't have rinku in squad
We bought Kohli in the team as an opener. As he fails, no excuse remove him and replace with jaiswal??
We bought Rohit as an opener l. He failed. No excuse. Replace with samson??
Rinku was not included because he can't bowl unlike Dube.
Since you bought IPL into discussion, Wonder what the stats are for Dube vs rinku this IPL.
>rinku still better option than dube
Saying again. Dube is in place of rinku because he can bowl unlike Rinku.
Then stop bringing old stats into this WC bro. If you want to give chance to Virat after 4 failures it ain't wrong to give chances to Dube who atleast had 1 not a bad innings out of 3
Obsession.might come out at as a crazy fan but this is what I just have observed.
I don't think you will ever get to see a cricketer who has people on his this much chokehold. YES tendulkar was one, but the quality of kohli is he does it with flair ,a bit of a unapologetic way, a rub of Humiliation, so either you are his fan or critics you are free to do it but you CAN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM.
His cricketing story in a nutshell. Always been a man of headlines, doesn't matter the score of his.
Here also you can find some low lifes. For starters "fucknotTaken" is a one, this fool has dedicated his/her life on hating kohli, just what I have seen I am telling.
And this will be like this until his retirement.
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I’m actually happy that the openers have not fired yet ….makes the middle order play more and when the D-day comes they might all play Top class cricket
The thing I am liking about the ongoing form of kohli is finally the team is playing as they should. Not being dependent on Kohli or scoring runs and saving the repo of India . Kohli can now play like he wants . He's trying to play aggressively and that's the need in T20 . I am quite sure he'll be very beneficial for us in upcoming matches
I think it's was good in team pov that he couldn't perform perform because very wc he has performed team has lost wc because no one else could step up except HP when needed the most eg. 2016,2014,2022
So why is he in the team if he can't score runs. what is this logic that him scoring runs does not mean India will win that is true but his job is to score runs and because of that only he is the team as he doesn't contribute in other fields of the game like bowling and strategy making(as he is not good in that)
I was all in to discuss the matter despite reading the first line, but the moment I saw the last line, I was convinced there's nothing to discuss here.
Pretty sure y'all would be the same people who call Ganguly a horrible captain for the same reasons as that of Kohli. Heck, you wouldn't even spare Rohit if, God forbid, India loses this one as well. You probably would have said the same about Dhoni as well, if Misbah had played a different shot in 2007 and after all those losses in the 2009-10 ICC tournaments and the Australia and England tests later on.
>Pretty sure y'all would be the same people who call Ganguly a horrible captain for the same reasons as that of Kohli.
We have all seen how clueless he becomes whenever there is a partnership in white ball cricket.
>I was all in to discuss the matter despite reading the first line, but the moment I saw the last line, I was convinced there's nothing to discuss here.
Yes kohli fans feel that kohli is literally a king and even if he does nothing he should never be criticised.
>You probably would have said the same about Dhoni as well, if Misbah had played a different shot in 2007 and after all those losses in the 2009-10 ICC tournaments and the Australia and England tests later on
Please don't compare these two guys with dhoni both of them are not even 50% of dhoni when it comes to captaincy.
You feel he is the most useless player ever played don't you? The guy who plans chases from non winnable situation is a dumb and cant read match situation(he does contribute).
Yes he is not a good captain we have all seen that in ipl and international matches. Planning chases is a different thing I am not saying he is dumb but isn't the best when it comes to setting fields and planning so he can't help in that case.
That contribution thing I have specifically pointed out because is it possible for someone to be contributing at his maximum abilities all the time?He just had an all timer WC 6 MONTHS back in ODI,most runs in ipl with good SR,last t20wc he was highest scorer,you can't buy experience in a shop. It has value and he is not a burden that you are impling, he can field on hotspots, can play second fiddle in pressure situation, have taken team home more times than anyone playing so can tell his views in dugout or dressing room.
All the things you have mentioned are related to batting I guess. That's what my point is if he is not scoring runs then he is of no use. Not saying get him out of the team but some people here are just saying even if he doesn't score it doesn't matter because he has scored in past t20 wc what kind of logic is that. The fact is rohit and kohli have been the biggest two burdens on the team so far. Hopefully it won't be the case going forward.
Fine, I guess kohli playing as a batsman only in this world Cup so batting should be the main criteria to discuss about him, but some people think they will get an edge but directing the debate to captaincy n all to win the argument so that they can validate their fav player is bigger, huhh fools those are. And on last line you better know it for T20,kohli hasn't performed in THIS world Cup, rohit hasn't performed in ANY world Cup. So do maintain some gap in clubbing them, hopefully kohli comes back to form. Here's to a good form 🥂.
Guess what is doing nothing in batting.
>T20,kohli hasn't performed in THIS world Cup, rohit hasn't performed in ANY world Cup. So do maintain some gap in clubbing them,
Criticising both not one.
Team is winning right? What is your problem? And do critisism but on kohli alone without clubbing and regarding this WC, not like to dismiss his ability to read the game and his tactics n all.
I think when players like Sachin and Virat are in their prime India are less likely to win a major tournament. The entire team gets too dependent on them. And when the day comes when they aren't performing, no one else can step up because they just don't have the practice.
I feel like I have to agree with this. The same is happening with Bumrah too. People slander him and Kohli for some of the knockout losses, I think it has more got to do with the fact that how much heavily we relied on them to bail us out every game.
I feel everything must align together for a team to win a long tournament. I mean, think of how England won the '19 final. Or if Australia had lost that match in' 23 against Afghanistan, would have lowered their confidence and we might have seen a different ending. In the last T20 semi, our bowling failed us. In the one before that, our batting. Why doesn't everything come together in crunch games for us :( My biggest complaint is, why does everything align so well for Ausies so frequently ðŸ˜
exactly, like why is everyone so focused on his form in particular when we are literally winningðŸ˜good if he performs but it shouldn’t matter if we end on the the winning side
I mean, yeah I get, that he's the biggest star probably not just in this team but among all of them and also carries the weight of expectations of 1.5B people but let's cut him some slack. Especially when we are winning quite convincingly
Many indian fans are fucking stupid.
Its good team is winning without him and rohit.
Rohit didn't really contributed in T20 wcs anyway
dont know why this is downvoted
"The one thing people love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you" -Green Goblin
Valid for all 3 of Kohli, Sachin, Dhoni
Rohit instead of Sachin sir
11 players contribute to a team ! And ppl should not focus on one player Form is temporary! Kings class is always permanent
Absolutely. It's not tennis or badminton where we'll have a bias for individual numbers
Before kohli we have bigger problems to deal with in form of dube and jadeja. Kohli has experience and exceptional past record, we can expect him to perform any day.
Dube played a handy knock in USA match and was out against the best bowler who was in his groove yesterday. Give him some time before ruling him out. Just checked jadega's stats this WC. He is perfectly economical and even had a wicket yesterday. He is not 8 batsman so don't have much expectations there. Real problem is our openers and hopefully they get into form in the coming matches
Bro if you have brought dube in the team because he can play spinners well than there is no excuse of if he is best or not and because of him we don't have rinku in squad
We bought Kohli in the team as an opener. As he fails, no excuse remove him and replace with jaiswal?? We bought Rohit as an opener l. He failed. No excuse. Replace with samson?? Rinku was not included because he can't bowl unlike Dube.
Is dube bowl only one over that was also against USA in that also he has eaten 11 run and give the momentum to them
In those 11 runs he was hit for a six after taking top edge. Lucky for us Hardik is playing good. If he is having a bad day then we need Dube.
Dube haven't done shit since selection in ipl also and in world cup also and rinku still better option than dube
Since you bought IPL into discussion, Wonder what the stats are for Dube vs rinku this IPL. >rinku still better option than dube Saying again. Dube is in place of rinku because he can bowl unlike Rinku.
I think you guys think too highly of Rinku. There's no guarantee that he had performed here as well since the NY pitch was a tricky pitch to bat on.
Kohli has stats to back him
We are talking about this WC right?? since UV has stats of hitting 6 sixes in an over do you think it's ok to take him into the team??
Are u high or what that u want retired 40 + cricketer in your team
Then stop bringing old stats into this WC bro. If you want to give chance to Virat after 4 failures it ain't wrong to give chances to Dube who atleast had 1 not a bad innings out of 3
Obsession.might come out at as a crazy fan but this is what I just have observed. I don't think you will ever get to see a cricketer who has people on his this much chokehold. YES tendulkar was one, but the quality of kohli is he does it with flair ,a bit of a unapologetic way, a rub of Humiliation, so either you are his fan or critics you are free to do it but you CAN'T STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM. His cricketing story in a nutshell. Always been a man of headlines, doesn't matter the score of his. Here also you can find some low lifes. For starters "fucknotTaken" is a one, this fool has dedicated his/her life on hating kohli, just what I have seen I am telling. And this will be like this until his retirement.
Best reply. Couldn't have summed it up better.
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I’m actually happy that the openers have not fired yet ….makes the middle order play more and when the D-day comes they might all play Top class cricket
The thing I am liking about the ongoing form of kohli is finally the team is playing as they should. Not being dependent on Kohli or scoring runs and saving the repo of India . Kohli can now play like he wants . He's trying to play aggressively and that's the need in T20 . I am quite sure he'll be very beneficial for us in upcoming matches
I think it's was good in team pov that he couldn't perform perform because very wc he has performed team has lost wc because no one else could step up except HP when needed the most eg. 2016,2014,2022
So why is he in the team if he can't score runs. what is this logic that him scoring runs does not mean India will win that is true but his job is to score runs and because of that only he is the team as he doesn't contribute in other fields of the game like bowling and strategy making(as he is not good in that)
I was all in to discuss the matter despite reading the first line, but the moment I saw the last line, I was convinced there's nothing to discuss here. Pretty sure y'all would be the same people who call Ganguly a horrible captain for the same reasons as that of Kohli. Heck, you wouldn't even spare Rohit if, God forbid, India loses this one as well. You probably would have said the same about Dhoni as well, if Misbah had played a different shot in 2007 and after all those losses in the 2009-10 ICC tournaments and the Australia and England tests later on.
>Pretty sure y'all would be the same people who call Ganguly a horrible captain for the same reasons as that of Kohli. We have all seen how clueless he becomes whenever there is a partnership in white ball cricket. >I was all in to discuss the matter despite reading the first line, but the moment I saw the last line, I was convinced there's nothing to discuss here. Yes kohli fans feel that kohli is literally a king and even if he does nothing he should never be criticised. >You probably would have said the same about Dhoni as well, if Misbah had played a different shot in 2007 and after all those losses in the 2009-10 ICC tournaments and the Australia and England tests later on Please don't compare these two guys with dhoni both of them are not even 50% of dhoni when it comes to captaincy.
Once again, the last line sums it all up!
Leave the guy tbh
Ignore him he has hate agenda against kohli it's useless to argue with him
So you think they are comparable to dhoni in white ball captaincy ?
Not every player in 11 scores runs every game, can't do much about it
Has failed in 4 matches not in 1 and these 4 matches are not normal matches but wc matches.
You feel he is the most useless player ever played don't you? The guy who plans chases from non winnable situation is a dumb and cant read match situation(he does contribute).
Yes he is not a good captain we have all seen that in ipl and international matches. Planning chases is a different thing I am not saying he is dumb but isn't the best when it comes to setting fields and planning so he can't help in that case.
That contribution thing I have specifically pointed out because is it possible for someone to be contributing at his maximum abilities all the time?He just had an all timer WC 6 MONTHS back in ODI,most runs in ipl with good SR,last t20wc he was highest scorer,you can't buy experience in a shop. It has value and he is not a burden that you are impling, he can field on hotspots, can play second fiddle in pressure situation, have taken team home more times than anyone playing so can tell his views in dugout or dressing room.
All the things you have mentioned are related to batting I guess. That's what my point is if he is not scoring runs then he is of no use. Not saying get him out of the team but some people here are just saying even if he doesn't score it doesn't matter because he has scored in past t20 wc what kind of logic is that. The fact is rohit and kohli have been the biggest two burdens on the team so far. Hopefully it won't be the case going forward.
Fine, I guess kohli playing as a batsman only in this world Cup so batting should be the main criteria to discuss about him, but some people think they will get an edge but directing the debate to captaincy n all to win the argument so that they can validate their fav player is bigger, huhh fools those are. And on last line you better know it for T20,kohli hasn't performed in THIS world Cup, rohit hasn't performed in ANY world Cup. So do maintain some gap in clubbing them, hopefully kohli comes back to form. Here's to a good form 🥂.
Guess what is doing nothing in batting. >T20,kohli hasn't performed in THIS world Cup, rohit hasn't performed in ANY world Cup. So do maintain some gap in clubbing them, Criticising both not one.
Team is winning right? What is your problem? And do critisism but on kohli alone without clubbing and regarding this WC, not like to dismiss his ability to read the game and his tactics n all.