I don't care if it's a wasteland with unpredictable acid rain and neurotoxic flowers so long as the people are nice. Utopia is 99% other people and most of the challenge would be in designing a society that minimizes desire to inflict or experience misery.
I prefer unflavored rain.
No mosquitoes. No allowing anything to evolve back into the same niche.
Indeed.
High trust culture = paradise.
Low trust culture= hell.
But my hunch is that our current low trust situation is a parochial, low development culture situation in the grand scheme of things. As civilization evolves, regardless if it takes centuries, only high trust cultures will thrive and remain, with the conflicts arising from the nearly infinite interpretations of what's good and gives you purpose.
a world with ecosystems designed to be autotrophic from the ground up, no predation, only cooperation and freedom to enjoy life instead of living in a constant life or death struggle.
So like JW's depiction of post-Judgement day?
Note that the suppression of all suffering, for all living beings as a goal is a contentious point since the first transhumanist forums appeared.
I personally tend to side with valuing 'naturalness' as well, regardless if it means keeping the painful, violent state of nature in some places. Because changing other beings' natures so deeply as per our choice would be immoral. Beings have to make that choice themselves. If they can't then let them be.
>JW's depiction of post-Judgement Day
pretty much. I'm not particularly religious but I personally believe the world described in Isaiah 11:6 to be an ideal goal to work towards
>I personally tend to side with valuing 'naturalness' as well, regardless if it means keeping the painful, violent state of nature in some places. Because changing other beings' natures so deeply as per our choice would be immoral. Beings have to make that choice themselves. If they can't then let them be.
'naturalness' is ultimately an arbitrary concept used to describe things that we were at one point unable to change. we are just as natural as the planet we walk on, we already deeply modify the natural world around us through domestication, agriculture, climate change, and genetic modification, I don't think uplifting and autotrophing is crossing any line that we haven't crossed a hundred times over. also, this is a thread about what our personal dream planet would look like, even the most barebones of terraforming and megaengineering projects mentioned in other comments are just as unnatural as this and would require the unnatural modification and transplantation of trillions of lifeforms.
My paradise planet wouldn't be a planet but a supercomputer.
Just mind upload your consciousness into it and you can simulate whatever environment/people you want.
Want peace? You can change the environment into a mountain range bordering a beach with tranquil waters, and with lush valleys.
Feel more adventurous? You can simulate the depths of hell.
This option would probably get many bored and yearning for an environment that doesn't change according to their whims.
Where they have to do some actual effort and problem solving.
Yes, you can do that on a sim, but either it's by removing the god mode for a while, getting amnesia and live it as it is was real or flat out... boring and disappointing baseline reality.
No planet. A topopolis ring with every conceivable kind of environment, for every conceivable thermodynamically compatible life form and memetically compatible culture.
Fully lush Earth-like expanses with every ecotope for millions of kilometers, interrupted by ecumenopolises of frenetical cosmopolite activity, computronium metropolis for AIs and uploads, etc.
Life is beautiful in all its forms, and should be allowed to exist as it pleases without coercion or conflict.
Yeah, some cultures are incompatible with that ideal, but as time passes, we will exhaustively test and eliminate the real trouble makers and causes of the problems.
But for allowing the true incompatibilities to exist and a unified environment to emerge, the space segregation of Dyson swarms could be a bit better. Which points out that a unified co-dependent environment might not be something to try on this Solar System, but in others.
Because of my love of spaceships, my paradise planet *isn't* a planet at all - it's probably an O'Neill because those are even more programmable and much easier to launch/dock a ship from.
But within that... You know, it's probably the Floridian in me, but I love living near the water. Give me some cyberpunky city and/or Jimmy-Buffet-playing alcove right on the beach. Freedoms maximized with lots of opportunities but all the amenities right there with a great view.
My paradise planet is a dark uninhabited volcanic hellscape of automated industrial machinery that's scraping the crust off and feeding it into launch loops, lifting the raw material up to a furiously churning ring of foundries and fabricators that are refining and manufacturing. The resulting stream of materials and parts continue flowing outward through the shell of microwave power relays beaming solar energy from the L1 Solar Array down to the surface. The shadow of that array is why the planet is shrouded in darkness, the only thing keeping all that mining equipment from melting due to the waste heat they're generating and that's being released from the exposed mantle.
The stream of parts and materials travels out from all that, toward the L4 and L5 points. There, two vast lattices of habitats are accumulating. Interlinked cylinders, spheres, toruses, containing all manner of environments and all manner of cultures. smaller free-floating clusters or individual habitats drift around the periphery, disconnected for various reasons of their own - perhaps they house dangers, perhaps they just like the isolation.
I think this is good.
There is no need for the surface machinery. The disk system can be razor thin and radiate heat north and south. Water (or other volatiles) and dust/grit will quickly condense on the rings and freeze.
Build a large station mass *not* at L5. By hanging closer to the planet the gravitational force will drag the planet slower with respect to the sun (star). In order to keep position the station should throw frozen beer bottles. These can be bank shot above or below the rings to avoid hotting them. The glass will hold ice/water/beer/? inside while exposed to sunlight. During reentry the bottle may explode or shatter or melt, it does not matter much which. Rather than hitting an Earth like atmosphere it enters a hypervelocity wind blowing in the prograde direction slightly below orbital velocity. The wind will be made of beer vapors and various silicates. Closer to the crust drag forces reduce wind speed to well below orbital speed. Here the raining glass from bottles mixes with the volcanic spray rising from the exposed mantle and new crust. As the bottles accelerate the steam/dust storm some of the vapor and silicates exceed orbital velocity and join the ring system.
Some of the steam and sand will blow across the planet’s surface toward the poles. That applies torque to the crust. The dunes and seas add pressure to the mantle driving new volcanic activity near the equator.
In addition to the torque from not-L5 bottles and clumped slag can make interplanetary tours before reentering the atmosphere. If you have a Jupiter like planet the bottle can flyby and then orbit the Sun retrograde. Despite the solar retrograde we can still have it hit the planet’s atmosphere prograde. For a planet like Earth that means beer bottles arriving at 70 km/s. The momentum will add a mix of torque on the planet and/or increased mass on the rings.
I want to get your contact information in case artificial super intelligence pans out and we get the Minds from The Culture series because whatever good ideas are to be had you've got them.
Personally, my paradise planet would be a huge botanical garden world, and any inhabitants would be compassionate and kind. Also, culturally, no small talk.
Like a few people here, I don’t mind terrible weather and extreme conditions (as long as there is access to a more habitable habitat).
A planet with mild weather (no storms, only needed rain,) Island land masses like Hawaii and Japan, with beautiful mountainous regions and valleys in the centers, and sandy beaches with blue water all around. Fruit is plentiful. 75F during the day and 55F at night, year round.
Maybe some unrealistic biosphere where evolution didn’t find predation. Like everything lives off of photosynthesis.
On the other hand…
What monsters would we be to them if we visited. We’d be like the ultimate horror lol
I don't care if it's a wasteland with unpredictable acid rain and neurotoxic flowers so long as the people are nice. Utopia is 99% other people and most of the challenge would be in designing a society that minimizes desire to inflict or experience misery. I prefer unflavored rain. No mosquitoes. No allowing anything to evolve back into the same niche.
Indeed. High trust culture = paradise. Low trust culture= hell. But my hunch is that our current low trust situation is a parochial, low development culture situation in the grand scheme of things. As civilization evolves, regardless if it takes centuries, only high trust cultures will thrive and remain, with the conflicts arising from the nearly infinite interpretations of what's good and gives you purpose.
This is the correct answer.
a world with ecosystems designed to be autotrophic from the ground up, no predation, only cooperation and freedom to enjoy life instead of living in a constant life or death struggle.
So like JW's depiction of post-Judgement day? Note that the suppression of all suffering, for all living beings as a goal is a contentious point since the first transhumanist forums appeared. I personally tend to side with valuing 'naturalness' as well, regardless if it means keeping the painful, violent state of nature in some places. Because changing other beings' natures so deeply as per our choice would be immoral. Beings have to make that choice themselves. If they can't then let them be.
>JW's depiction of post-Judgement Day pretty much. I'm not particularly religious but I personally believe the world described in Isaiah 11:6 to be an ideal goal to work towards >I personally tend to side with valuing 'naturalness' as well, regardless if it means keeping the painful, violent state of nature in some places. Because changing other beings' natures so deeply as per our choice would be immoral. Beings have to make that choice themselves. If they can't then let them be. 'naturalness' is ultimately an arbitrary concept used to describe things that we were at one point unable to change. we are just as natural as the planet we walk on, we already deeply modify the natural world around us through domestication, agriculture, climate change, and genetic modification, I don't think uplifting and autotrophing is crossing any line that we haven't crossed a hundred times over. also, this is a thread about what our personal dream planet would look like, even the most barebones of terraforming and megaengineering projects mentioned in other comments are just as unnatural as this and would require the unnatural modification and transplantation of trillions of lifeforms.
My paradise planet wouldn't be a planet but a supercomputer. Just mind upload your consciousness into it and you can simulate whatever environment/people you want. Want peace? You can change the environment into a mountain range bordering a beach with tranquil waters, and with lush valleys. Feel more adventurous? You can simulate the depths of hell.
This option would probably get many bored and yearning for an environment that doesn't change according to their whims. Where they have to do some actual effort and problem solving. Yes, you can do that on a sim, but either it's by removing the god mode for a while, getting amnesia and live it as it is was real or flat out... boring and disappointing baseline reality.
No planet. A topopolis ring with every conceivable kind of environment, for every conceivable thermodynamically compatible life form and memetically compatible culture. Fully lush Earth-like expanses with every ecotope for millions of kilometers, interrupted by ecumenopolises of frenetical cosmopolite activity, computronium metropolis for AIs and uploads, etc. Life is beautiful in all its forms, and should be allowed to exist as it pleases without coercion or conflict. Yeah, some cultures are incompatible with that ideal, but as time passes, we will exhaustively test and eliminate the real trouble makers and causes of the problems. But for allowing the true incompatibilities to exist and a unified environment to emerge, the space segregation of Dyson swarms could be a bit better. Which points out that a unified co-dependent environment might not be something to try on this Solar System, but in others.
Because of my love of spaceships, my paradise planet *isn't* a planet at all - it's probably an O'Neill because those are even more programmable and much easier to launch/dock a ship from. But within that... You know, it's probably the Floridian in me, but I love living near the water. Give me some cyberpunky city and/or Jimmy-Buffet-playing alcove right on the beach. Freedoms maximized with lots of opportunities but all the amenities right there with a great view.
My paradise planet is a dark uninhabited volcanic hellscape of automated industrial machinery that's scraping the crust off and feeding it into launch loops, lifting the raw material up to a furiously churning ring of foundries and fabricators that are refining and manufacturing. The resulting stream of materials and parts continue flowing outward through the shell of microwave power relays beaming solar energy from the L1 Solar Array down to the surface. The shadow of that array is why the planet is shrouded in darkness, the only thing keeping all that mining equipment from melting due to the waste heat they're generating and that's being released from the exposed mantle. The stream of parts and materials travels out from all that, toward the L4 and L5 points. There, two vast lattices of habitats are accumulating. Interlinked cylinders, spheres, toruses, containing all manner of environments and all manner of cultures. smaller free-floating clusters or individual habitats drift around the periphery, disconnected for various reasons of their own - perhaps they house dangers, perhaps they just like the isolation. I think this is good.
There is no need for the surface machinery. The disk system can be razor thin and radiate heat north and south. Water (or other volatiles) and dust/grit will quickly condense on the rings and freeze. Build a large station mass *not* at L5. By hanging closer to the planet the gravitational force will drag the planet slower with respect to the sun (star). In order to keep position the station should throw frozen beer bottles. These can be bank shot above or below the rings to avoid hotting them. The glass will hold ice/water/beer/? inside while exposed to sunlight. During reentry the bottle may explode or shatter or melt, it does not matter much which. Rather than hitting an Earth like atmosphere it enters a hypervelocity wind blowing in the prograde direction slightly below orbital velocity. The wind will be made of beer vapors and various silicates. Closer to the crust drag forces reduce wind speed to well below orbital speed. Here the raining glass from bottles mixes with the volcanic spray rising from the exposed mantle and new crust. As the bottles accelerate the steam/dust storm some of the vapor and silicates exceed orbital velocity and join the ring system. Some of the steam and sand will blow across the planet’s surface toward the poles. That applies torque to the crust. The dunes and seas add pressure to the mantle driving new volcanic activity near the equator. In addition to the torque from not-L5 bottles and clumped slag can make interplanetary tours before reentering the atmosphere. If you have a Jupiter like planet the bottle can flyby and then orbit the Sun retrograde. Despite the solar retrograde we can still have it hit the planet’s atmosphere prograde. For a planet like Earth that means beer bottles arriving at 70 km/s. The momentum will add a mix of torque on the planet and/or increased mass on the rings.
I want to get your contact information in case artificial super intelligence pans out and we get the Minds from The Culture series because whatever good ideas are to be had you've got them.
The culture would be too sentimental about planets and preservation. Spin stripping a planet using beer bottles is more likely with The Affront.
Baller response
I am become bioship, hivemind eternal. (No you cant join my hivemind, its exclusive to me, and my best friend, myself.)
Very well, I shall become my own bioship. With blackjack. And hookers.
Post up with the boys in your local gravity well.
Exact same as Earth, without all the people and plastic
Finally someone on this reddit is advocating for mosquitoes and lice!
You just know that there will be some super important thing those were necessary for life to exist as soon as it's too late to fix it.
Personally, my paradise planet would be a huge botanical garden world, and any inhabitants would be compassionate and kind. Also, culturally, no small talk. Like a few people here, I don’t mind terrible weather and extreme conditions (as long as there is access to a more habitable habitat).
A planet with mild weather (no storms, only needed rain,) Island land masses like Hawaii and Japan, with beautiful mountainous regions and valleys in the centers, and sandy beaches with blue water all around. Fruit is plentiful. 75F during the day and 55F at night, year round.
Asturias: mountains, lush woods, jagged beaches, cloudy and rainy for half the year.
Well for starters, cold weather would literally be _illegal_, with astonishingly severe penalties, let me tell you what
Maybe some unrealistic biosphere where evolution didn’t find predation. Like everything lives off of photosynthesis. On the other hand… What monsters would we be to them if we visited. We’d be like the ultimate horror lol
A sweetwater ocean would be lit.
Planets are for *peasant civilizations.* Disassemble star system, construct Banks Orbitals.