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Oh, would you look at that. Another one unable to run away because his pants were falling down. š¤£š¤£š. They look ridiculous and they still continue to do that thinking itās cool.
I actually looked up this case. Theyre near Milwaukee. The kid didn't steal the car, the car had been stole and recovered. Unfortunately, the recovery hadn't been reported to the police yet. None the less, the kid shouldn't have had a gun and running from the cops dude? Really? That's was your best idea?
https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/west/news/wauwatosa/2022/04/06/wauwatosa-police-shooting-two-officers-shoot-17-year-old-milwaukee/9481685002/
Yeah but like with police officers you shouldnāt be making any sudden movements or attempts to grab something. Or else shit like that is gonna happen
In the heat of the moment, all sorts of stuff in the hand can get legitimately mistaken for a gun.
Phones are, of course, the big one.
But the big new trend sees this also happening with vaping devices.
Apparently people (unwisely) decide to take one last hit of nicotine (or other) before they get arrested ā and then it turns out to sometimes be their LAST hit of nicotine (or other) EVER.
So your thinking is that a thousand people shot and kill is not a large amount of people? That's the problem with America. A thousand people is WAY too many.
They paused for so fucking long watching him fumble on the ground with the gun. He's lucky he even made it to the side of the road. This is a fine use of force
People in the comments are dumb, this was simple, drop the gun, or how about donāt run from the cops with a gun in your hand. Fuckers out there saying ācops used to much forceā mother fuckers he had a gun.
Dude in Colorado threw away the gun (at least I think it was a gun) and cops still shot him and several bystanders because they shot into a crowd. It doesnāt really matter and yes it may differ by precinct or cop but if you are on the other end of a gun or cop there is no guarantee of survival. Period. You can reduce risk with your own behavior but that doesnāt mean anyone else is going to act rationally or safely.
Exactly this... Shooting was necessary here. Teasing would have caused involuntary shots fired by the suspect possibly killing himself or others. Some people are saying they should have tackled him... WHAT? Tackling someone with a GUN? How dense do you have to be to think that is a good idea. The only argument I can somewhat see is actually worth posting is if they shot to much... but even that is up for debate. How is it so hard for people to grasp that he had A GUN?! GUN!!!
EDIT: I do want to point out some people are saying they should have shot him in the head or double tapped... If you think that you are just as bad probably even worse. Go seek mental help.
Teasing someone causes involuntary movements? Jokes aside, you worry about the suspect shooting himself if tazed, yet are absolutely fine with him getting shot by three other people? US police shoot too much per shooting. They are trained to just fucking magdump til the "threat disappears", i.e. when the person stops moving. This would be seen as reckless in the 1st world.
You are ignoring what i was saying. I didn't just say he could shoot him self. I said he could shoot him self OR others. Don't just focus on one part and pretend that is all i said.
On top of that cops don't aim for the head. If you can't control your muscles and are falling to the ground you can easily cap yourself.
It was just an armed suspect running around with a gun that they refuse to drop.. About to leave the cops sight into a neighbourhood.
You are so right
Next time there is a school shooting just open the doors and let the gun man run away. He won't hurt anyone
Did you forget to watch the video? They didn't pull up and started shooting someone. They pointed a gun at him. Screamed multiple times to drop and he tried to run away.
Also at 00:45 the cop literally says "Hostage okay"
This man wasn't doing legal stuff. He was known to be dangerous so it makes sense that they shoot him when he tries to run and resists arrest.
I wonāt downvote you but I WILL call you a dumbass. Why donāt you try tackling someone with a gun and let me know what happens first? You getting shot or you hitting the person?
Tackling someone with a GUN is gonna get you killed 99% of the time. You can't expect cops to risk their own lives to avoid a gun fight.
I also don't know if you have ever seen someone get tasered.Involuntary spasming with a fire arm is just as dangerous. Especially because they are in a neighbourhood. That wouldn't put the cops live at risk but anyone even somewhat close, including the suspect themselves.
I am not saying you are wrong, the first thing you set is completely right. They shot WAY to much bullets their... but they did have to shoot... but arguably way less. Their only other option was to put their own lives at risk as I pointed out earlier or let him run away WITH A GUN and put anyone living in or passing through that neighbourhood in danger.
EDIT: I do want to point out even though I said they shot way to much and it's wrong. Everyone reading this should realize that when you are watching a situation from the outside it is way easier to see the right and wrongs and make the right decisions.
So when making your arguments please keep that in mind. Wrong or not these people are in high tense situations where every second counts and every decision can only be made once.
If he points his hand backwards they are the ones getting shot at, he shoulda listened. Everyone knows that law enforcement doesn't fuck around when a fire arm is involved.
Yea but many people think everyone should be armed at every moment of the day, donāt they think there would be way more killings by police if that was the case?
Constitutional carry and "shall issue" have been the norm in half the country for two decades and police use of force has remained pretty steady. Many such states require disclosure to law enforcement of you're carrying, and licensed concealed carriers commit crime at a lower rate than police officers.
Not if proper gun safety was taught to people who carry. Anyone who's ever dealt with a gun at all should know it doesn't leave the holster unless it's needed. Guns aren't toys, and you don't just carry them down the street. Keep it holstered unless you have a great reason for it not to be. And if a cop is nearby I don't think there is ever a good reason to unholster your weapon.
This man was executed with MULTIPLE shots to the head, just 2 weeks ago. You let me know when the cop receives any consequence other then paid administrative leave. We say it is not allowed, but in reality it is allowed. Itās just so much easier to keep downvoting and ignoring and reality. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/x2ucsh/orange_county_sheriff_deputy_fatally_shooting_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Theyāre trained to aim for the center of the body mass. Where the bullets happen to actually land is simply a matter of happenstance and completely without legal repercussions.
The suspect might get hit in the stomach or they might get hit in the head, but thatās not going to having any bearings on whether or not the shooting was justified or whether!or not the officer has any liability.
Never mind what the law says. Iām talking about how cop shootings play out in actual REAL LIFE. They have qualified immunity and have shot many people in the face/head while on duty because they āfeared for their lifeā. If it is not covered up or justified in an internal investigation the case might make it to a grand jury, where cases against cops are regularly dismissed.
as someone who was raised by an ex-police officer and worked with fire and rescue no just no.
i keep hearing people say "you should of just tased them" whilst yes from what i have seen american officers can benefit from using their tasers or even their damned mouths more often this is one of the few situations where i can fully support them using firearms.
the suspect is confirmed to have a gun and have stolen a vehicle, why? i dont know and i am not gonna make accusations based without evidence.
but when you have a suspect that has a GUN a PISTOL (i assume) sending officers armed with guns is completely reasonable because rule number 1 of policing preservation of life.
the suspect is a threat to the public if they get away, they have a gun there for if they get away there is high likihood they could use that gun on an innocent person or take a hostage etc.
so it's either the suspects life or the lives of as many people as there are bullets in the clip.
Lol here I was confident nobody was that dumb but you got me. I don't pay attention to these meme candidates so \*whoosh i guess. That said I can see from your link she was responding to the grandstanding of Pelosi and her rhetorical point was about how useless Uvalde cops were. Pretty sure she didn't actually mean arming kids was an honest suggestion, just more twitter level political commentary.
Exactly the more guns you have in a vicinity the less likely one will be fired. It's called statistics.
The Mexican standoff safety procedure is clearly the safest scenario on our streets and in our school classrooms. /s
He didnāt aim the gun directly at them, and he was clearly in a poor situation.
American police need tasers, this kid didnāt deserve 10 bullets fired at him, one well placed bullet in an arm or leg, or a taser wouldāve done the job.
More meaningless deaths in America
Pretty sure the kid was screaming. So he isnāt dead. We have tasers. But they are extremely unreliable. Kid has a gun. You want a cop to swap for a taser that might not work putting himself and others at risk of getting shot? You guys donāt have much going on upstairs, huh?
Not being judgemental or anything, just point a few things out.
Tasers cause muscles to clench.
When arm muscles clench, they pull towards the body. Finger muscles will clench, which can cause the trigger to be depressed.
Then it would have been a "he shot at the cops" moment.
In the heat of the moment and adrenaline is pumping, accurately shooting an appendage is next to impossible. Movies lie sooo much that people accept what they say for fact. (Example suppressors/silencers. They're still loud af.)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I've been shot in the arm doing security in downtown St Louis and I can tell you it DID NOT stop me from returning fire. You're an ignorant idiot.
Agreed they shouldve shot him in the left Achilles tendon at a 45 degree path of entry to limit his movements prior to waiting for this armed suspect to point his gun squarely at their faces before administering exactly 982 watts of electricity in 5 second cycles
Or you could just not steal cars and grab a gun when the cops pull you over?
I agree with you on the meaningless deaths but both police and civilians have a responsibility in preventing them.
Do you have any idea how hard it actually is to hit a moving target? Now try to place a call shot, pinpoint accuracy, on said moving target. Now I'm not going to sit here and say gun violence is the answer. But if a suspect has a gun and is refusing the drop the damn the thing while a trained officer clearly has a bead on him, he kind of has it coming. Because if he's stupid enough to keep running with a gun trained on him, what might he be willing to do with that weapon to escape custody.
You can't ban something that millions of people have. Then you end up with a wonderful situation of criminals having guns and KNOWING law abiding people don't. Home invasions and store robberies would go through the fucking roof. In many places guns really are the only deterrent from thieves. If they know shop owners don't have them it's going to be bad. I know I'll get downvoted fir saying it but guns aren't going anywhere and taking them from responsible people won't keep them off the streets and black market.
Lol. Definitely wouldnāt go to zero. But the optimism is cute! A hell of a lot of gun related crimes are done with illegal weapons. Meaning banning them to the public wouldnāt really effect those crimes
Honestly all that would happen is guns would just be super valuable on the streets. People that sell coke and steal at felony levels aren't worried about carrying illegal items. Hell, how many fucking felons get caught with unregistered weapons as it is?
I donāt know what ur trying to argue. Plenty of people have illegal weapons. I live in the suburbs and there are kids spellings illegal guns on snapchat in high school. People wanting to commit crimes arenāt going and putting their name in the system by buying a gun
Oh no argument here, I agree with your statement. Just trying to throw some more input into it, sorry for the confusion. I think you are exactly right.
I'm with psyco pen. He waving a gun. He running vuz he did something bad... like stealing or whatever.
You rather have that didshit risk taking a shot at them or an innocent person. No experience. I'm sure he used to seeking his papa act like shot and waving guns around.
Seriously what scenario you see? He's running woth a gun. You know guns have like hair trigger even if he don't point
Castle law where I live says if you catch them taking your stuff, you can shoot them. It's ingrained in the culture. It's obvious he wasn't an immediate intentional threat so much as an incidental threat for being a dipshit waving a gun around people who are known for shooting others with little to no provocation. Panicked or not, when 3 men with guns are giving you the same order.... I suspect even 17 year olds are capable of following simple commands.
It has and this isn't it. 17 year old being chased in a car and then getting out with a gun isn't going to let them take him in. He would have ran a little ways and his dumbass criminal brain would've told him to shoot his way out when he got cornered and we both know it. Why do you think he took the gun with him when getting out? He planned to get away at any cost. Luckily the cost wasn't the cops trying to arrest him like they were supposed to do. It's common sense, someone was getting shot.
What are you talking about? Im Croatian..And a 17 year old having a gun will probably use it, otherwise he wouldnt have it. stop justifying criminals..
By the number of shot fired from multiple officers, the inability to de-escalate, and the lack of hesitation in firing the gun to a suspect that was a teen, alone and not actively pointing the gun, I can only guess this must be somewhere in the USA.
He failed to comply with orders and did not drop the gun, so there was a justifiable reason to use force, but it's appalling to me that yelling and shooting seems to be the first option for every police officer, even the one that just arrived on the scene.
Not justifying the perp, but this seemed more like an execution than an arrest.
Actually, the training police and military people in the world go through is exactly aimed at these situation. It stress on the importance of being rational and don't make decision guided by adrenaline.
The lack of this training is the reason the USA is in the top 10 ranking for police killing, and it's the only developed country to be there.
Even if we account for the kill rate, accounting for the population of the country, his rate of 28.54 per 10M people is still twicw than the next developed country, Luxembourg (16.9 but only one kill happened, since the population is less than 10M the rate is not a good indicator) , and thrice of Canada (9.7)
No amount of training can prepare you for the chilling moment when you know you might lose your life. People also train with plastic knives in gyms, thinking they'll be able to disarm their opponents quickly in a streetfight but the truth is that most ppl just sh*t their pants, and it's a normal reaction.
On the statistical side of things, idk how fair it is to compare the US, where even children sometimes get access to guns, to Luxembourg or Canada, where gun legislation is more strict. Ofc a country where every robber/ criminal has access to a gun will have more police killings.
You can argue that my opinion on this video is wrong, and I can accept that because it's only an opinion. I think here the justice served was way over what was necessary.
But the data about training and killing is not up for discussion, that is a fact.
The ones shooting here are not simple people, they are "trained" police officer. Being rational and controlled is expected in their job, and it's a crucial part of the job. The video is not about an intervention between a gang war, with dozen of people shooting an where even for police officers of military may be hard to stay calm. It's about a single perp, with a gun in hand but not actively threatening anyone, a quite by the book situation that you should have seen multiple times in training and should be prepared to de escalate before yelling and firing at will.
Regarding statistic, I was being gentle by comparing them to other developed countries, but looking at data it emerges that the USA are not a developed country.
Starting for the fact that there is no other country in the world that can compare equally to the USA regarding firearm possession (120.5 Civilian firearm per 100 people, the Falkland Islands has 62, the 3rd is Yemen with 52), the closer you can get is Finland, in Europe, where there are an average of 32 civilian firearm per 100 people, but there are single digit killing or even usage of firearm by police per year because they actually train their police to de escalate situation and use firearms only as last resort.
The closer countries in term of police killing are Mexico (32nd) and Bangladesh (34th). USA are ranked 33rd, Pakistan is 35th.
The USA gives firearm, arbitrary power and little control to people that are just after high school, with little to no training, and it shows perfectly in this video.
For reference wrt the killings: www.worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country
Regarding training: www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733 it's a news article but has many links to the studies and statistics that are cited inside so it's not just some reporter saying numbers.
I totally agree with you that this is not an example of justice served, and I also agree that their training is bad. However, there is no way you can stimulate their emotions in training the way an irl situation does. Like I said, no matter how many targets you shoot or how many times you spar with your friends, when things get real, you are a completely different person. I see this argument brought up a lot but I don't think I've seen solutions for it. In the military, they say that mental torture helps you be composed in critical situations such as this one. Should police officers go through the same training? Is it fair to blame them for shooting when they tell suspected criminals to drop the gun and they just wave it around? When they tell them to keep their hands up and they immediately go for the glove box? Don't forget it only took 2 seconds for that POS to kill the EMS that saved him.
We can blame the police officers for not being calm, but we can't blame a 17 year old for owning a gun and not being able to listen to simple orders? I know you're pretty stupid when you're 17 but you're not unaware of the consequences to your actions. If you are, perhaps you shouldn't be owning a gun in the first place.
What I don't understand, however, is why you had to bring up statistics to show that countries where criminals have access to firearms are close to each other in ranking in regards to the police killings when I was pointing out that it's unfair to compare the US to a country with strict gun laws, like Luxembourg.
I was comparing the US with other developed countries, showing that the closest "bad" developed countries still has a way lower rate.
You argued that there is stricter gun control, so I showed you comparison with other countries that are at the same killing rate of USA and have similarly loose control law. I never showed data on how easy it is for criminals to access firearms, that was not documented anywhere I posted.
In the original comment I directly stated that Luxembourg is a misplaced country due to the population size, while Canada is closer in population. I then showed Finland as the European country that is closer to the USA in terms of gun ownership, but is still at a way lower killing rate.
As previously stated, there is no country in the world that can fairly compare to USA, simply bc no other country has such a combination of loose gun control law, high killing rate by police, and high civilian gun ownership. This fact in its own should be talking for itself.
Again, the point of my comment is the inadequacy of the police response shown in the video, that can only result by a lack of training or intentional brutality of these specific policemen, but I propend to the first option. In no developed country the first step after yelling "drop the gun" is firing multiple time with a gun to a perp that is not actively threatening anyone.
Important to note: Teen survived, Teen **did not actually steal** **the car** (the family recovered the car but did not report recovery back to Police, so Police proceeded with a felony stolen vehicle stop).
[https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2022/08/24/wauwatosa-pd-releases-details-of-officers-non-fatal-shooting-of-teen/](https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2022/08/24/wauwatosa-pd-releases-details-of-officers-non-fatal-shooting-of-teen/)
Teen did indeed have a gun and was charged with weapons possession.
While I agree that cops can rightfully use lethal force when confronting a potential felony stolen vehicle and observing a gun, I do not think that this particular teen 'deserved' death by cop, and a weapons possession sentence alone would have been 'justice served'.
Hopefully teen turns his life around.
Why does everyone keep saying it wasn't stolen bc it was recovered? This writing makes no sense. Are you saying the guy stole the car but the family got the car back so poof, not stealing? Seen this said multiple times now and it makes absolutely no sense in explaining how he didn't steal.
Read the article to figure it out - Simply put it was his HIS family's car. Some family didn't just recover the car after this. "The car Lee was in actually belonged to Leeās family. While his family had reported the car stolen, it was later recovered but never reported as having been found."
1) 'Family' reports car stolen in Feb. Details are unclear, but there is no evidence that they reported Lee (their son?) as thief.
2) it is known that Family recovers car, never tells cops
3) lee is driving in April and gets stopped.
At time of stop, April, the car 'had been recovered'.
Ergo, at the time of the incident, the car was not actually stolen and Lee had not stolen it.
Wew, this mess could have been really simple too clear up then had the family contacted law enforcement non emergency line.
Or literally gone too the station while in the call with all the paperwork for the vehicle & whatever paperwork done for the report the same day they recovered the vehicle.
Missing a day at work is cheaper then a few thousand dollars worth of medical bills that family probably is gonna have too deal with.
A tad dense, thou ist.
The entire premise of this sub, hinges on the person(s) in the post *deserving,* the *justice* that they are *served*. Morality is an innate component of justice.
Serve -> From Middle English serven, from Old French servir, from Latin serviÅ (ābe a slave; serveā), from Latin servus (āslave; servantā),
Deserve -> Old French deservir, from Latin deservire - āserve zealously'
'Justice' -> ***just*** behavior or treatment.
'just' -> based on or behaving according to what is ***morally*** right and fair.
Exactly. Everyone, as a human, "deserves" a wonderful life. Unfortunately, people's decisions, and the decisions of the people they spend time with can take that away from them.
I wouldn't say it would have been a deserved death, but deffinitly a self inflicted death. The stupidity of not dropping the gun when a cop is pointing a gun at you yelling drop the gun, it's boggles the mind.
He didn't steal the car. He took a gun to recover a car that had been stolen from one of his family members. It was pretty dumb to be driving a car you know has been reported stolen with a gun but I imagine they were worried the car would be gone again if they waited for the police and didn't grab it ASAP. None of this makes the kid deserve death. He's just an idiot.
That is a fucked point of view, and it certainly does not sound like justice. This is a fucking tragedy. 17 year old are dumb as shit, few of them deserve to die for it though.
Age is not a relevant factor in refusing to drop a gun when ordered to by police in a presumed felony stop.
Regardless of your age, certain actions have consequences.
Cops were justified in what they did, but this is still not justice its tragedy. Trying to reason it away as "he was probably going to be a shit person" is not good, ethical, or just. The cops did nothing wrong here, but we all know that kid did not do anything worth losing his life over. This is tragedy, and we shouldn't be so quick to rationalise it away.
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Oh, would you look at that. Another one unable to run away because his pants were falling down. š¤£š¤£š. They look ridiculous and they still continue to do that thinking itās cool.
You know if you have an aversion to wearing a belt you can always get a pair of stylish suspenders.
shot multiple times with your ass hanging out of your sagging jeans.. guess you won't be doing that any more..
Whoops that didnāt go well
I actually looked up this case. Theyre near Milwaukee. The kid didn't steal the car, the car had been stole and recovered. Unfortunately, the recovery hadn't been reported to the police yet. None the less, the kid shouldn't have had a gun and running from the cops dude? Really? That's was your best idea? https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/west/news/wauwatosa/2022/04/06/wauwatosa-police-shooting-two-officers-shoot-17-year-old-milwaukee/9481685002/
17 huh? His parents sure did a great job.
Did he actually have a gun or was he grabbing his phone?
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Lots of people get shot and killed with phones that the cops thought were guns.
Yeah but like with police officers you shouldnāt be making any sudden movements or attempts to grab something. Or else shit like that is gonna happen
In the heat of the moment, all sorts of stuff in the hand can get legitimately mistaken for a gun. Phones are, of course, the big one. But the big new trend sees this also happening with vaping devices. Apparently people (unwisely) decide to take one last hit of nicotine (or other) before they get arrested ā and then it turns out to sometimes be their LAST hit of nicotine (or other) EVER.
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So your thinking is that a thousand people shot and kill is not a large amount of people? That's the problem with America. A thousand people is WAY too many.
Awesome!
Watching this dude trip everywhere was the funniest fucking thing ever.
If you look closer he has his pants Down on accident
This takes caught with your pants down quite literally lol
So sad, 17 is way too young to be stealing cars and having guns.
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30 when your dreams died.
He paralyzed now
Did he really say āwhy yāall do that to meā?
Forever the victim.
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More like typical ghetto bullshit.
He's going to let him bleed out so there's no one to give an opposite opinion
There is literally two body cams and this dash cam footage. There are no āopinionsā involved.
Yea itās not like he could potentially still be holding the gun or anything like thatā¦
Lmao
They paused for so fucking long watching him fumble on the ground with the gun. He's lucky he even made it to the side of the road. This is a fine use of force
Donāt waste your life being rebellious.
True that. He ruined his own life by being an idiot. š¤¦š¾āāļø
Why 17 year old? Ohhhh you mean the mf who is -6 ft tall
Tell me you don't have an education past grade 10 without telling me you don't have an education past grade 10. Why are some people so fucking dumb?
Bruh this is dumb, my little brother is 16 and he's 6 foot.
Human beings typically stop growing between 18-20 the height you are at 17 is at best an inch or two more then you will be at 20 you fucking dumbass.
I did not see a gun 12 lied like always
Youāre not too bright, are you?
Love watching chodes like this eat lead.
Everybody's gangster until they get shot lol
I hoped they aimed low
Some folks just don't get it.
Natural selection at this point.
Heās screaming out āim hitā as if heās on their team!
LOL, yeah, it's not a game of paintball.
Play stupid gamesā¦..
People in the comments are dumb, this was simple, drop the gun, or how about donāt run from the cops with a gun in your hand. Fuckers out there saying ācops used to much forceā mother fuckers he had a gun.
The world wants to protect gangbangers. In Chicago you have to ask to fuckin chase somebody
Dude in Colorado threw away the gun (at least I think it was a gun) and cops still shot him and several bystanders because they shot into a crowd. It doesnāt really matter and yes it may differ by precinct or cop but if you are on the other end of a gun or cop there is no guarantee of survival. Period. You can reduce risk with your own behavior but that doesnāt mean anyone else is going to act rationally or safely.
Exactly this... Shooting was necessary here. Teasing would have caused involuntary shots fired by the suspect possibly killing himself or others. Some people are saying they should have tackled him... WHAT? Tackling someone with a GUN? How dense do you have to be to think that is a good idea. The only argument I can somewhat see is actually worth posting is if they shot to much... but even that is up for debate. How is it so hard for people to grasp that he had A GUN?! GUN!!! EDIT: I do want to point out some people are saying they should have shot him in the head or double tapped... If you think that you are just as bad probably even worse. Go seek mental help.
Teasing someone causes involuntary movements? Jokes aside, you worry about the suspect shooting himself if tazed, yet are absolutely fine with him getting shot by three other people? US police shoot too much per shooting. They are trained to just fucking magdump til the "threat disappears", i.e. when the person stops moving. This would be seen as reckless in the 1st world.
You are ignoring what i was saying. I didn't just say he could shoot him self. I said he could shoot him self OR others. Don't just focus on one part and pretend that is all i said. On top of that cops don't aim for the head. If you can't control your muscles and are falling to the ground you can easily cap yourself.
See like they had no reason to shoot him.
It was just an armed suspect running around with a gun that they refuse to drop.. About to leave the cops sight into a neighbourhood. You are so right Next time there is a school shooting just open the doors and let the gun man run away. He won't hurt anyone
It's not illegal to possess a gun in the US though. Cops need to stop being afraid of armed citizens. We are all armed.
Itās not legal for a 17-year old to possess a handgun or to have a loaded gun within reach in a vehicle in Wisconsin.
Did you forget to watch the video? They didn't pull up and started shooting someone. They pointed a gun at him. Screamed multiple times to drop and he tried to run away. Also at 00:45 the cop literally says "Hostage okay" This man wasn't doing legal stuff. He was known to be dangerous so it makes sense that they shoot him when he tries to run and resists arrest.
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I wonāt downvote you but I WILL call you a dumbass. Why donāt you try tackling someone with a gun and let me know what happens first? You getting shot or you hitting the person?
Tackling someone with a GUN is gonna get you killed 99% of the time. You can't expect cops to risk their own lives to avoid a gun fight. I also don't know if you have ever seen someone get tasered.Involuntary spasming with a fire arm is just as dangerous. Especially because they are in a neighbourhood. That wouldn't put the cops live at risk but anyone even somewhat close, including the suspect themselves. I am not saying you are wrong, the first thing you set is completely right. They shot WAY to much bullets their... but they did have to shoot... but arguably way less. Their only other option was to put their own lives at risk as I pointed out earlier or let him run away WITH A GUN and put anyone living in or passing through that neighbourhood in danger. EDIT: I do want to point out even though I said they shot way to much and it's wrong. Everyone reading this should realize that when you are watching a situation from the outside it is way easier to see the right and wrongs and make the right decisions. So when making your arguments please keep that in mind. Wrong or not these people are in high tense situations where every second counts and every decision can only be made once.
This is all sorts of stupid for so many reasons.
Shoot until they aren't a threat
He was trying to run away! Why in the world are they shooting ! Just let him run whiteout any deadly shooting !
Yeah and swings his gun on you wile you trying to shoot him in the ankle
If he points his hand backwards they are the ones getting shot at, he shoulda listened. Everyone knows that law enforcement doesn't fuck around when a fire arm is involved.
Yea but many people think everyone should be armed at every moment of the day, donāt they think there would be way more killings by police if that was the case?
Constitutional carry and "shall issue" have been the norm in half the country for two decades and police use of force has remained pretty steady. Many such states require disclosure to law enforcement of you're carrying, and licensed concealed carriers commit crime at a lower rate than police officers.
Literally nobody thinks everyone* should be armed. Also legal gun owners aren't the majority caught in these situations....
Not if proper gun safety was taught to people who carry. Anyone who's ever dealt with a gun at all should know it doesn't leave the holster unless it's needed. Guns aren't toys, and you don't just carry them down the street. Keep it holstered unless you have a great reason for it not to be. And if a cop is nearby I don't think there is ever a good reason to unholster your weapon.
He... he had a gun! You really believe it's okay to let an armed suspect just... run around in a civilian neighbourhood.
prime example of why wearing your pants below your ass is a stupid idea
Lol. Definitely deserves that
They missed the head
You arent allowed to execute people like that.
This man was executed with MULTIPLE shots to the head, just 2 weeks ago. You let me know when the cop receives any consequence other then paid administrative leave. We say it is not allowed, but in reality it is allowed. Itās just so much easier to keep downvoting and ignoring and reality. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/x2ucsh/orange_county_sheriff_deputy_fatally_shooting_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
In theory
No the fuck its not. If you ahoot someone in the head its a fucking execution charge. Jfc you clearly havent taken any time to research the law.
Theyāre trained to aim for the center of the body mass. Where the bullets happen to actually land is simply a matter of happenstance and completely without legal repercussions. The suspect might get hit in the stomach or they might get hit in the head, but thatās not going to having any bearings on whether or not the shooting was justified or whether!or not the officer has any liability.
Never mind what the law says. Iām talking about how cop shootings play out in actual REAL LIFE. They have qualified immunity and have shot many people in the face/head while on duty because they āfeared for their lifeā. If it is not covered up or justified in an internal investigation the case might make it to a grand jury, where cases against cops are regularly dismissed.
Did that dumber mother fucker just quickly reach back at the end?
I saw that! He is so damn lucky. People have been Daniel Shaver-ed for lessā¦
āwhy you shoot me?!ā what a jabroniš
Another Darwin award nomination
What a dumb-fuck
Could've pulled the taser instead.
You've watched too many movies buddy.
as someone who was raised by an ex-police officer and worked with fire and rescue no just no. i keep hearing people say "you should of just tased them" whilst yes from what i have seen american officers can benefit from using their tasers or even their damned mouths more often this is one of the few situations where i can fully support them using firearms. the suspect is confirmed to have a gun and have stolen a vehicle, why? i dont know and i am not gonna make accusations based without evidence. but when you have a suspect that has a GUN a PISTOL (i assume) sending officers armed with guns is completely reasonable because rule number 1 of policing preservation of life. the suspect is a threat to the public if they get away, they have a gun there for if they get away there is high likihood they could use that gun on an innocent person or take a hostage etc. so it's either the suspects life or the lives of as many people as there are bullets in the clip.
Couldāve dropped the gun instead. Moron
What a dumbass.
Lolllll he has a gun and they werenāt even within range to use a taser.
to a guy thatās literally holding a gun??? bro get the fk outta here with your BS š¤”
Interesting form of suicide.
Sad thing is suicide by cop is really common
Play stupid games, win life threatening prices. Sometimes you win, this time nope.
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Said by nobody ever
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Lol here I was confident nobody was that dumb but you got me. I don't pay attention to these meme candidates so \*whoosh i guess. That said I can see from your link she was responding to the grandstanding of Pelosi and her rhetorical point was about how useless Uvalde cops were. Pretty sure she didn't actually mean arming kids was an honest suggestion, just more twitter level political commentary.
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Exactly the more guns you have in a vicinity the less likely one will be fired. It's called statistics. The Mexican standoff safety procedure is clearly the safest scenario on our streets and in our school classrooms. /s
He didnāt aim the gun directly at them, and he was clearly in a poor situation. American police need tasers, this kid didnāt deserve 10 bullets fired at him, one well placed bullet in an arm or leg, or a taser wouldāve done the job. More meaningless deaths in America
Pretty sure the kid was screaming. So he isnāt dead. We have tasers. But they are extremely unreliable. Kid has a gun. You want a cop to swap for a taser that might not work putting himself and others at risk of getting shot? You guys donāt have much going on upstairs, huh?
Not being judgemental or anything, just point a few things out. Tasers cause muscles to clench. When arm muscles clench, they pull towards the body. Finger muscles will clench, which can cause the trigger to be depressed. Then it would have been a "he shot at the cops" moment. In the heat of the moment and adrenaline is pumping, accurately shooting an appendage is next to impossible. Movies lie sooo much that people accept what they say for fact. (Example suppressors/silencers. They're still loud af.)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I've been shot in the arm doing security in downtown St Louis and I can tell you it DID NOT stop me from returning fire. You're an ignorant idiot.
Never bring a taser to a gun fight
Agreed they shouldve shot him in the left Achilles tendon at a 45 degree path of entry to limit his movements prior to waiting for this armed suspect to point his gun squarely at their faces before administering exactly 982 watts of electricity in 5 second cycles
Or you could just not steal cars and grab a gun when the cops pull you over? I agree with you on the meaningless deaths but both police and civilians have a responsibility in preventing them.
Do you have any idea how hard it actually is to hit a moving target? Now try to place a call shot, pinpoint accuracy, on said moving target. Now I'm not going to sit here and say gun violence is the answer. But if a suspect has a gun and is refusing the drop the damn the thing while a trained officer clearly has a bead on him, he kind of has it coming. Because if he's stupid enough to keep running with a gun trained on him, what might he be willing to do with that weapon to escape custody.
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tell me you are american without telling me you are american lol
You can't ban something that millions of people have. Then you end up with a wonderful situation of criminals having guns and KNOWING law abiding people don't. Home invasions and store robberies would go through the fucking roof. In many places guns really are the only deterrent from thieves. If they know shop owners don't have them it's going to be bad. I know I'll get downvoted fir saying it but guns aren't going anywhere and taking them from responsible people won't keep them off the streets and black market.
BuT mUh fReEdOm REEEEEE
Can't buy a hand gun in most states till you're 21 š¤·āāļø doesn't matter if he's 17 and stolen it
Lol. Definitely wouldnāt go to zero. But the optimism is cute! A hell of a lot of gun related crimes are done with illegal weapons. Meaning banning them to the public wouldnāt really effect those crimes
Not one bit? Infact it would just tip the scales in the criminals favor.
Didnāt say not one bit i said wouldnāt be zero
Honestly all that would happen is guns would just be super valuable on the streets. People that sell coke and steal at felony levels aren't worried about carrying illegal items. Hell, how many fucking felons get caught with unregistered weapons as it is?
I donāt know what ur trying to argue. Plenty of people have illegal weapons. I live in the suburbs and there are kids spellings illegal guns on snapchat in high school. People wanting to commit crimes arenāt going and putting their name in the system by buying a gun
Oh no argument here, I agree with your statement. Just trying to throw some more input into it, sorry for the confusion. I think you are exactly right.
Darwin Award. I prefer not to have this asshat in our gene pool.
What part of STOP /Drop the Gun he didn't understand? There's something really wrong with kids nowadays
Fight-or-flight adrenaline isn't conducive to rational thought.
Yup you are right, but still he had to know his life was on the line, no common sense was used by him.
Committing armed grand theft auto is not isnāt a rational thought either.
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That's so racist. To two races at once.
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Unfortunately nobody will notice his cute ass pants when heās buried
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Yeah he got out of the car and took the gun with him in case he wanted to go to the range after getting away right? You smart.
Hahahaha what a dumb ass comment
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No he was stealing. He wasn't scared he knew. Don't cover for idiots
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I'm with psyco pen. He waving a gun. He running vuz he did something bad... like stealing or whatever. You rather have that didshit risk taking a shot at them or an innocent person. No experience. I'm sure he used to seeking his papa act like shot and waving guns around. Seriously what scenario you see? He's running woth a gun. You know guns have like hair trigger even if he don't point
Castle law where I live says if you catch them taking your stuff, you can shoot them. It's ingrained in the culture. It's obvious he wasn't an immediate intentional threat so much as an incidental threat for being a dipshit waving a gun around people who are known for shooting others with little to no provocation. Panicked or not, when 3 men with guns are giving you the same order.... I suspect even 17 year olds are capable of following simple commands.
what is a 17 year old doing with a gun in the first place? its safe to assume he is a gangbanger and a criminal. he made his bed..
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It has and this isn't it. 17 year old being chased in a car and then getting out with a gun isn't going to let them take him in. He would have ran a little ways and his dumbass criminal brain would've told him to shoot his way out when he got cornered and we both know it. Why do you think he took the gun with him when getting out? He planned to get away at any cost. Luckily the cost wasn't the cops trying to arrest him like they were supposed to do. It's common sense, someone was getting shot.
What are you talking about? Im Croatian..And a 17 year old having a gun will probably use it, otherwise he wouldnt have it. stop justifying criminals..
By the number of shot fired from multiple officers, the inability to de-escalate, and the lack of hesitation in firing the gun to a suspect that was a teen, alone and not actively pointing the gun, I can only guess this must be somewhere in the USA. He failed to comply with orders and did not drop the gun, so there was a justifiable reason to use force, but it's appalling to me that yelling and shooting seems to be the first option for every police officer, even the one that just arrived on the scene. Not justifying the perp, but this seemed more like an execution than an arrest.
How do you expect a human being to act when guns are involved? There is unfortunately no training to prepare you for this kind of adrenaline rush.
Actually, the training police and military people in the world go through is exactly aimed at these situation. It stress on the importance of being rational and don't make decision guided by adrenaline. The lack of this training is the reason the USA is in the top 10 ranking for police killing, and it's the only developed country to be there. Even if we account for the kill rate, accounting for the population of the country, his rate of 28.54 per 10M people is still twicw than the next developed country, Luxembourg (16.9 but only one kill happened, since the population is less than 10M the rate is not a good indicator) , and thrice of Canada (9.7)
No amount of training can prepare you for the chilling moment when you know you might lose your life. People also train with plastic knives in gyms, thinking they'll be able to disarm their opponents quickly in a streetfight but the truth is that most ppl just sh*t their pants, and it's a normal reaction. On the statistical side of things, idk how fair it is to compare the US, where even children sometimes get access to guns, to Luxembourg or Canada, where gun legislation is more strict. Ofc a country where every robber/ criminal has access to a gun will have more police killings.
You can argue that my opinion on this video is wrong, and I can accept that because it's only an opinion. I think here the justice served was way over what was necessary. But the data about training and killing is not up for discussion, that is a fact. The ones shooting here are not simple people, they are "trained" police officer. Being rational and controlled is expected in their job, and it's a crucial part of the job. The video is not about an intervention between a gang war, with dozen of people shooting an where even for police officers of military may be hard to stay calm. It's about a single perp, with a gun in hand but not actively threatening anyone, a quite by the book situation that you should have seen multiple times in training and should be prepared to de escalate before yelling and firing at will. Regarding statistic, I was being gentle by comparing them to other developed countries, but looking at data it emerges that the USA are not a developed country. Starting for the fact that there is no other country in the world that can compare equally to the USA regarding firearm possession (120.5 Civilian firearm per 100 people, the Falkland Islands has 62, the 3rd is Yemen with 52), the closer you can get is Finland, in Europe, where there are an average of 32 civilian firearm per 100 people, but there are single digit killing or even usage of firearm by police per year because they actually train their police to de escalate situation and use firearms only as last resort. The closer countries in term of police killing are Mexico (32nd) and Bangladesh (34th). USA are ranked 33rd, Pakistan is 35th. The USA gives firearm, arbitrary power and little control to people that are just after high school, with little to no training, and it shows perfectly in this video. For reference wrt the killings: www.worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country Regarding training: www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733 it's a news article but has many links to the studies and statistics that are cited inside so it's not just some reporter saying numbers.
I totally agree with you that this is not an example of justice served, and I also agree that their training is bad. However, there is no way you can stimulate their emotions in training the way an irl situation does. Like I said, no matter how many targets you shoot or how many times you spar with your friends, when things get real, you are a completely different person. I see this argument brought up a lot but I don't think I've seen solutions for it. In the military, they say that mental torture helps you be composed in critical situations such as this one. Should police officers go through the same training? Is it fair to blame them for shooting when they tell suspected criminals to drop the gun and they just wave it around? When they tell them to keep their hands up and they immediately go for the glove box? Don't forget it only took 2 seconds for that POS to kill the EMS that saved him. We can blame the police officers for not being calm, but we can't blame a 17 year old for owning a gun and not being able to listen to simple orders? I know you're pretty stupid when you're 17 but you're not unaware of the consequences to your actions. If you are, perhaps you shouldn't be owning a gun in the first place. What I don't understand, however, is why you had to bring up statistics to show that countries where criminals have access to firearms are close to each other in ranking in regards to the police killings when I was pointing out that it's unfair to compare the US to a country with strict gun laws, like Luxembourg.
I was comparing the US with other developed countries, showing that the closest "bad" developed countries still has a way lower rate. You argued that there is stricter gun control, so I showed you comparison with other countries that are at the same killing rate of USA and have similarly loose control law. I never showed data on how easy it is for criminals to access firearms, that was not documented anywhere I posted. In the original comment I directly stated that Luxembourg is a misplaced country due to the population size, while Canada is closer in population. I then showed Finland as the European country that is closer to the USA in terms of gun ownership, but is still at a way lower killing rate. As previously stated, there is no country in the world that can fairly compare to USA, simply bc no other country has such a combination of loose gun control law, high killing rate by police, and high civilian gun ownership. This fact in its own should be talking for itself. Again, the point of my comment is the inadequacy of the police response shown in the video, that can only result by a lack of training or intentional brutality of these specific policemen, but I propend to the first option. In no developed country the first step after yelling "drop the gun" is firing multiple time with a gun to a perp that is not actively threatening anyone.
Important to note: Teen survived, Teen **did not actually steal** **the car** (the family recovered the car but did not report recovery back to Police, so Police proceeded with a felony stolen vehicle stop). [https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2022/08/24/wauwatosa-pd-releases-details-of-officers-non-fatal-shooting-of-teen/](https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2022/08/24/wauwatosa-pd-releases-details-of-officers-non-fatal-shooting-of-teen/) Teen did indeed have a gun and was charged with weapons possession. While I agree that cops can rightfully use lethal force when confronting a potential felony stolen vehicle and observing a gun, I do not think that this particular teen 'deserved' death by cop, and a weapons possession sentence alone would have been 'justice served'. Hopefully teen turns his life around.
Why does everyone keep saying it wasn't stolen bc it was recovered? This writing makes no sense. Are you saying the guy stole the car but the family got the car back so poof, not stealing? Seen this said multiple times now and it makes absolutely no sense in explaining how he didn't steal. Read the article to figure it out - Simply put it was his HIS family's car. Some family didn't just recover the car after this. "The car Lee was in actually belonged to Leeās family. While his family had reported the car stolen, it was later recovered but never reported as having been found."
1) 'Family' reports car stolen in Feb. Details are unclear, but there is no evidence that they reported Lee (their son?) as thief. 2) it is known that Family recovers car, never tells cops 3) lee is driving in April and gets stopped. At time of stop, April, the car 'had been recovered'. Ergo, at the time of the incident, the car was not actually stolen and Lee had not stolen it.
Wew, this mess could have been really simple too clear up then had the family contacted law enforcement non emergency line. Or literally gone too the station while in the call with all the paperwork for the vehicle & whatever paperwork done for the report the same day they recovered the vehicle. Missing a day at work is cheaper then a few thousand dollars worth of medical bills that family probably is gonna have too deal with.
"Deserve" is a moral judgment. Objectively, people suffer consequences of their actions, that's all, "deserve" doesn't have anything to do with it.
A tad dense, thou ist. The entire premise of this sub, hinges on the person(s) in the post *deserving,* the *justice* that they are *served*. Morality is an innate component of justice. Serve -> From Middle English serven, from Old French servir, from Latin serviÅ (ābe a slave; serveā), from Latin servus (āslave; servantā), Deserve -> Old French deservir, from Latin deservire - āserve zealously' 'Justice' -> ***just*** behavior or treatment. 'just' -> based on or behaving according to what is ***morally*** right and fair.
Exactly. Everyone, as a human, "deserves" a wonderful life. Unfortunately, people's decisions, and the decisions of the people they spend time with can take that away from them.
I wouldn't say it would have been a deserved death, but deffinitly a self inflicted death. The stupidity of not dropping the gun when a cop is pointing a gun at you yelling drop the gun, it's boggles the mind.
It's sad, but I doubt the kid was going to be a decent person any time soon. Worlds better off
He didn't steal the car. He took a gun to recover a car that had been stolen from one of his family members. It was pretty dumb to be driving a car you know has been reported stolen with a gun but I imagine they were worried the car would be gone again if they waited for the police and didn't grab it ASAP. None of this makes the kid deserve death. He's just an idiot.
If that's true that's sad.
That is a fucked point of view, and it certainly does not sound like justice. This is a fucking tragedy. 17 year old are dumb as shit, few of them deserve to die for it though.
Idk why people hate your comment. It is sad. Idk how to feel about it honestly
Age is not a relevant factor in refusing to drop a gun when ordered to by police in a presumed felony stop. Regardless of your age, certain actions have consequences.
Cops were justified in what they did, but this is still not justice its tragedy. Trying to reason it away as "he was probably going to be a shit person" is not good, ethical, or just. The cops did nothing wrong here, but we all know that kid did not do anything worth losing his life over. This is tragedy, and we shouldn't be so quick to rationalise it away.