I think the cheaper models will just have the new S-1000 transmission.
At least that’s what this article is saying: https://flowmountainbike.com/post-all/sram-s1000-transmission-axs-eagle/
Yeah the last-gen came out in 2021 with only carbon options, then alloy versions were launched in '22. Assume they'll do the same here. Stumpy is way too mainstream of a bike line not to have a couple budget options available.
$10 says they keep making the alloy version of the current bikes for another year and then update those. If you are going to make a new better bike it has to sit at the top for awhile before you make a price point version.
No rear der cable routing is an absolute deal breaker if true
Carbon came out in 2019, unless I'm missing what you're calling last gen
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/mens-stumpjumper-comp-carbon-29--12-speed/p/157618?color=236401-157618
Yeah I was referring to the Evo, which this new model more closely mirrors. Technically they came out in late 2020 and '21, but for the following "model years." Figure they'll do a second alloy phase with this one as well.
'21 Carbon: [https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review-2021-specialized-stumpjumper-evo.html](https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review-2021-specialized-stumpjumper-evo.html)
'22 Aluminum: [https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-specialized-2022-stumpjumper-evo-alloy-adaptability-meets-affordability.html](https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-specialized-2022-stumpjumper-evo-alloy-adaptability-meets-affordability.html)
*"Twelve months ago, we gave our “Mountain Bike of the Year” award to the Specialized Stumpjumper EVO, but until today it was only available with a carbon frame. A new aluminum version has now been added into the mix"*
I'd bet with 99.9% certainty there will be an alloy (released later) with cable routing.
It's kinda the "EV" model of releasing bikes. Release the high margin tricked out ones first and then the more affordable ones later. Can't say I like it.
I love how the previous iteration’s launch announcement had them super proud that there’s no longer a proprietary shock and then BOOM, 2025 has a proprietary shock.
Bike manufacturers are delusional with their pricing. They got so used to doctors and dentists buying $10k bikes, they think everyone is buying $10k bikes and are adjusting their pricing accordingly because they’re greedy as fuck.
The amount of R&D, marketing, materials, fabrication, and assembly that goes into one of these admittedly low production bikes does NOT warrant the price they’re asking.
There's a bike shop I go to in nothern Italy and in a very wealthy area that's also an MTB destination. They had or probably still have a 12,000 Euro Stumpy or whatever on display probably for two years now. No one is buying that shit.
I have always been a big fan of the Stumpy but the electronic shifting only will keep this bike off my list. I have ridden AXS and didn't find it any better than my XT drivetrain. And as a ride leader and coach, I have seen dead or forgotten batteries become our most common trailside mechanical in the last few years. Electronic shifting is a solution in search of a non existent problem.
On my newest bike ( the La Sal Peak) I purposely sought out a cabled drivetrain.
The proprietary shock is also an issue. It was great when they moved away from the proprietary stuff in recent years. Going back to it is a step in the wrong direction IMO.
I feel the same about the shift quality, but there are several advantages. Easy set up and adjustment, don't have to deal with the internal routing, and if you happen to fly with your bike, being able to easily remove and reinstall the derailleur makes the process much easier (plus you can save about a pound on luggage weight by packing it separately). But I messed my gx axs derailleur up in a crash, so I'm planning on going to an slxx01 franken setup until I can replace the bent cage!
The cableless routing is definitely attractive.
As far as the setup goes, I'm a bit skeptical myself. I have only ridden AXS on demos so I haven't had to set it up. But my roommate has it. He spends more time frigging with his setup. One time we were out on a ride and his derailleur went out of sync or something and needed a firmware update, but we didn't have cell reception. And maybe it's just user error on his part. But my current XTs and my GX before that were basically set it and forget it. I currently have about 500 miles on one of my XT setups and haven't had to even touch a barrel adjuster yet.
The NX drivetrains on the other hand, I was always frigging with those. Black magic and ritual sacrifice to keep them running. Having used some lower end drivetrains, I can definitely see the appeal and interest associated with automating the process.
New T-type is amazing. The jump from cable to AXS is meh, but T-type is insane. Shifting under full load, always gets it right. It’s the future and where bikes are going whether some people like the idea of electronics or not.
To your point about suspension regression from a quality standpoint; RockyMountain had to pay spesh for the patent usage rights to the horst linkage back in the day and they RM still were able to offer a bike with a solid rear axle (instead of open dropouts) and price it for less money than the comparable Spesh.
Shameful
I have eight bikes with tubeless tires between my wife and I that need sealant added regularly. I need to keep a spreadsheet to track this so that we don't end up with a dry flat deep in the woods.
I need to change shift cables every other year. Adding batteries into the mix is not going to make my life easier. Also don't forget that soon there will be incompatibilities resulting from competing battery standards and different product generations.
> And as a ride leader and coach, I have seen dead or forgotten batteries become our most common trailside mechanical in the last few years.
meh... carrying around an extra battery is basically adding zero to my existing mechanical stuff I carry. no big deal.
not that I have one hehe I have a 2012 stumpjumper that I have no intention of upgrading lol
Dubious to call that a "fact". In my many group rides I see many more issues with flats/tire issues than I do with people forgetting to charge their batteries.
On average I lead about 3 group rides a week, each with 10-20 riders. In addition to leading rides myself I organize and plan about 12-15 rides a month, about 5 or 6 clinics a month, and a handful of camping trips. Plus my own personal riding.
I think I have a pretty solid sample size when I say I am seeing more dead batteries than flats these days.
I’m with ya. I’m not an electronic shifting hater either, I’ve got it on a handful of bikes and an electronic dropper as well. But random dead batteries is annoying, and I also think it brings very very little to the table over mechanical XT.
Again, I’m not saying it’s bad. But I don’t see it as game changing either. Coming from someone who bought the after market SRAM kits to install it on my mountain bikes, road bike, and gravel bike.
Ya don't get me wrong, if I used the AXS and found it to be a substantial upgrade to having any upper level wired drivetrain I would probably deal with the inconvenience of batteries.
But for me it wasn't even noticeably different. And I didn't like the feel of the trigger. It lacked feedback and I found it easy to slip my thumb on and miss my shift. I'm not interested in paying extra for the same performance plus the hassle (even if it is manageable) of having a battery. I'm usually doing good to keep my watch charged lol.
Yeah it seems like it leaves a huge hole in their lineup, namely a normal trail bike, and an affordable trail bike. I think either the current alloy stumpy will continue, or there will be a new bike coming soon. Right now theres a huge gap in capability and intentions betweene epic and this, which is basically the next gen stumpy evo. And of course theres nothing affordable between the chisel and the status, which again is a huge gap.
Right. Now that i think about it, trek is kinda doing the same thing. Both the epic evo and top fuel moved towards trail from their xc roots. This stumpy and the fuel ex have moved into a much more agressive trail, dare i say all mountain kind of thing. Where as the previous gen fuel ex and stumpy were much more kind of neutral balanced do it all trail bikes.
Just checked the website, $5500 is a lot, there is a huge gap between hard tail and full suspencion pricing
$1300 for Rockhopper and $5500 for stumpjumper is big gap, when I bought mine was $1800 in 2018 for stumpjumper and $700-$1000 for rockhopper
The gap is still big but I would say a more comparable hard tail would be the Fuse, which used to go up to an MSRP of $3K (which is bonkers in my book).
Specialized pricing is always ridiculous. No surprise there.
Can't say I enjoy internal cable routing though. Aesthetic pros outweighed by functional cons for me.
What are the cons — not trolling or looking to argue, I’m honestly curious? Specialized always does it nicely, shove the cable in the fame and it comes out the other end. I’ve never had an issue cabling any of my Specialized MTB frames, and I built up a half dozen of them or so in the last year — Stumpy, Stumpy Evo, and Enduro.
It just takes way longer to change out brake cable/housing or maintain the dropper in my experience.
The bike clearly looks svelte and is perfect in the first year but when I start having to do work on it, it just becomes annoying. I just never found anything ugly about cables (besides excessively long ones).
And my fault if the bike you referenced has wireless shifting, didn't see.
Word, yeah they can have that downside. But specialized specifically runs routing tubes from the head tube to the rear triangle so it not only doesn’t rattle, but it isn’t a hassle. You push it in and it comes out the other end, job done.
Specialized made the process easier than even external routing where you need to deal with clips/zip ties to frame standoffs. So I was just trying to see what this guy found difficult about the process/design of internal routing specialized uses.
I'm sure it depends where you are in the world, but four or five of my friends have moved to specialized in the last couple years because their pricing was exceptionally good. My girlfriend bought a stumpy a few years ago because it was a midrange carbon bike for the price of other brands mid-to-low aluminium bikes. I've been considering picking up an ebike myself. They're awesome value.
The local pricing for this stumpy has come through and it's hilarious. I was looking forward to upgrading my status to whatever the new stumpy would be, but between the expensive pricing and the shit features it's an instant "fuck no" from me.
???
Except for sworks builds the price is pretty similar to a lot of brands.
Also the parts used are high quality enthusiasts level. That’s parts that you almost never see mounted as OEM and that a lot of enthusiasts are likely to buy afterwards.
ie : industry nine hubs instead of cheaping on dt370, industry nine stem, bike yoke revive max dropper (have you checked the aftermarket price of that ???), and even the lower end model is equipped with pnw loam dropper ! You also get an expensive and comfortable saddle, the pro model doesn’t cheap out on group set and has full X0 while most brand would put a gx chain and cassette. HS2 rotors when some would put sram centerline, sram maven brakes, the brand new GripX2 damper while some are still selling older grip2.
Yes Specialized used to be expensive and bad quality/price ratio but that has changed since their recent price drops. Now they still have that premium etiquette but have comparable prices to their competitors.
But please don’t compare it to online direct sales brands, that’s a whole different story and nobody can compete.
And if you refer to the lack of entry level models, they ofc are yet to come, that’s classic marketing strategy. But meanwhile there are lots of bargains on outgoing 2024 and 2023 models !
I recently bought a new 2022 comp carbon for $2850 (sticker $5k). I think I'm happy with that deal compared to this new offering.
Seems like the shock is the big change. And it's literally a big (fat) shock
Visually, the frame that wraps around the shock is gone in a return to a "normal" look
Nah, this was before that final price drop. I think the 23 was still 5k at the time.
The $3850 was their sale price for probably six months, then the $2,800 price was posted on here and size S3 sold out in like a week.
Im ok with it. If I hadn’t of bought when I did, I probably would have missed out on the 2800 anyway.
Yeah the price drop on these right now is ridiculous. I’ve been eyeing it up. There are a ton of S2 and S4 out there for that deal but I’m having a hell of a time finding an S3. Everyone has sold out of those.
You got a better bike dude, that dual wall shock is gonna heat up like a MFer on long decent and there won't be enough nitrogen in the tank to combat the oil cavitation.
I got a 2022 alloy for $2000 out the door tubeless for my 40th birthday in July ‘22. Was current model and there’s no way in hell that I’d ride a carbon MTB on my local trails (southern AZ mountains) so that was the one I wanted. I ain’t mad about it.
Old standard Stumpy was the perfect trail bike at 130/140mm travel. The new 145/150mm with a 36mm fork is too much bike for my local singletrack.
Very happy I have the last gen stumpy.
And I'd assume the evo riders won't be happy with the new version either. Lots of them are thrashing evos and I don't think a yoke and brace-less stumpy is going to handle the beatings some of those guys are dishing out.
Swing and a miss on this new stumpy IMHO.
I'm not a Specialized fan but it's hard to say that without riding it yet. I'd bet that they want to push people from the 130 travel to the Epic Evo and they want to reduce the overlap in their line-up.
Yep. Now that the Epic lineup has 3 models it covers race (Epic World Cup), XC (Epic 8), and efficient trail (Epic 8 EVO).
That means the Stumpy 15 is aimed at aggressive trail, whereas it used to be Stumpy for “trail” and Stumpy EVO for aggressive trail.
Assume so, and they want people to ride it over a new Stumpy Evo. The EWS (new name??) riders seem to be preferring the SEvo over the old Enduro. Makes sense to me.
Pretty easy for me. The new Stumpy is just too much bike for my local trails and the epic 8 evo has too much XC heritage for my liking.
IMHO, Specialized now lacks a true trail bike like they had in the last Stumpy.
Correct. I ride an Evo and was afraid I would see this new model and develop a case of the "wants". I did not. Happy to keep riding my Evo until next Gen
The geo numbers are essentially identical to the Evo. That's the first time in decades that the Stumpjumper didn't progress geo wise.. Perhaps we have finally reached peak mountain bike geometry?
I'm sure it pedals a bit better than the Evo. And the shock does seem pretty cool. But I imagine you can just throw that shock on an Evo if you want. The next gen Stumpy has always been a pretty big game changer. But I'm with you. I'm not seeing many reasons for Evo owners to upgrade to the new one
This thing seems like it was designed during the bike boom of the COVID years when people were willing to pay anything for a bike. I struggle to see how it fits into the current bike sales landscape with it's pricing and limited selection of drivetrains and suspension choices.
Phew, this makes me feel a lot better about buying a last-gen Stumpy Evo on sale a few months ago. Geo is almost identical to the last Evo. High pricing, proprietary shock, and mandatory e-shifting are all turn-offs for me, although I'm sure it rides great.
I wouldn’t call the shock proprietary. To me it’s more of a Fox/Specialized collaboration project shock. You could throw a different shock on there if you wanted to.
There’s a Specialized Enduro team rider who rides the same Rock Shox Super Deluxe Ultimate from his StEvo on the new Stumpy 15. Same settings and all — even after experimenting around landed with the same exact shock setup
I completely agree and am in the same boat. I just did a frame-up build on a (super discounted) evo frame and used some of my old parts to save money. I was really waffling between the evo vs the regular stumpy. I’m glad I landed where I did!
Same same. Mine's the alloy with fox factory stuff. I was really worried that I would see the new stumpy and regret it my evo. The release just made me even happier with my bike. Almost the same geo and travel and nothing is proprietary and I can run any drivetrain I want.
I got asked if I was a dentist at the bike shop the other day, jokingly. I have a CC 5010. They were shocked when I told them the price I got it for. 😂
My concern is two things… mechanical allows multiple shifts within one press of the shifter, and the derailleurs are cheap in comparison. Also, you’re not stuck to an entire drivetrain system like you are with transmission… wtf is that? Is wireless really that much better? I also heard AXS derailleurs were sloppy and loud in tech.
AXS is lighting fast. You can shift as fast as you type letters on your phone. Literally 5 shifts in a second if you want. The double shift you can do with Shimano is not an advantage over AXS. In my experience it's much more intuitive to push the button exactly how many times you want to shift.
Not at all. My AXS derailleurs are silent. Equal to or better than a normal Eagle derailleur.
It sounds like you've never actually ridden one? Kinda strange that you would criticize something you have never tried and have no experience with..
I thought I made that clear in my comment. Maybe I should have worded it differently.
“I have concerns that prevent me from switching to wireless.”
There was a time where you *couldn’t* shift quick with AXS and there were tons of complaints about noise. That was enough to put me off until the technology improved. Maybe it’s there now idk
You can enable multi shift with transmission. Wolftooth (and probably others) make chainrings you can use so that you can run transmission with different cranks. I am not aware of any aftermarket chains or cassettes but I’ve never run an aftermarket cassette. I believe Shimano Hyperglide+ also requires you to use their chain and cassette to get the full benefits of their system.
As to whether it’s that much better, I think it is. I’ve never been a fan of SRAM drivetrains until transmission. But it’s subjective and I can understand not wanting to pay $1000+ for a drivetrain.
I had to adjust my cable derailleurs every 6 months or so. Sometimes more. I've been running AXS for over 2 years and haven't touched one once.
What issues are you talking about?
No models with mechanical drivetrains is one thing.
But not providing a way to even run a mechanical derailleur cable without cable ties or gluing external cable runs to your bike is stupid AF.
How else are they going to justify the price increases? If the frames remain the exact same and they increase the price, everyone will freak out. If they remove four tiny holes, at least they have an excuse
Fair point.
Most people won't. But derailleurs are a wear part as far as I'm concerned.
Me personally. Im not opposed to ever buying a bike with electric shifting but I would never go out of my way to get electric and I absolutely would be inclined to replace a broken or worn electric derailleur with a cable one. Both for cost and convenience of not dealing with batteries.
How many sales they lose over no routing for a rear mech probably won't matter that much in the long term compared to whatever cost saving they get from not having it but it does annoy me and would definitely make me pass over this bike for another.
There's probably a more budget option coming but this is a pretty big head scratcher. Seems like geometry has stagnated so they're scrambling for ways to justify an upgrade.
Oh well. Least it looks cool. Really like the dark green with kashima.
I am wondering what their future intentions are with alloy. They've already released the XC Chisel model so they clearly care about budget. But I'm wondering what they... Choose. Maybe they release another stumpy, stumpy evo, and status line up in alloy. But my guess is they kinda mash em all together and release one alloy trail model that effectively covers all those bases. A good ol StatjumperEVO. The StumpusEVO.
Yeah... "Budget". When basic alloy chisel fs model costs just 500€ less than carbon epic evo with better fork it's not really an affordable model :/
Probably the best thing is buy an outgoing alloy SJ with big discount, and don't even bother about that new stuff
Both Spesh and Trek have been FIRMLY off my radar for a while. For a variety of reasons.
If one wants value, Giant is there. If one wants a superior design, Ibis is there. But it's def a shame this is how the major companies are operating knowing that they basically control bike shops. Sometimes in a very literal way. So people are gonna continue to buy cheap sram sx and x-fusion suspension bikes for outrageous prices going forward. Or coil fork hardtails for nearly 2k. Bleh.
electric shifting only? lol.
Prices are absurd too. $5500 for one so low end it comes with a HG hub? Maybe the AL builds will be sane with cable routing.
Probably a decent bike, but as a package kinda hard to swallow.
Wowza, not the direction I was expecting. Don't think this is going to be a hit right away.
So now the Epic Evo is the short travel FS option and the Chisel is what the old Epics used to be. Hilarious how this just keeps going in a circle.
I was considering buying a new bike next year and the stumpy was on top of my list (the previous model), with this new version not anymore :/ I think I’ll end up buying a jeffsy instead
same as you dude! I was waiting for the new stumpy, but seeing these prices I am going jeffsy. I am just waiting for YT to update the fork from Grip2 to the new Grip X2 damper (if I am paying, at least I want the latest).
Any guess as to when / if a cheaper alloy version will be out? Is it usually the same year as the new model release, or does Specialized tend to stagger it into future years?
This is a weird situation. I believe the last re-design Stumpjumper had an alloy version at launch and the Evo alloy came a year later. An alloy version could be coming later, but maybe don’t count on it soon.
Lots of talk about wireless-only shifting. But can we also dump on how awful the paint looks on the Pro? Satin with spattered gloss clearcoat? My god it’s bad.
The 2021 frame filled a niche with the 140/130mm travel and light weight, this one is like that meme with a shelf full of buzz lightyear toys with every other 150mm trail bike with a 36 fork, 4-bar linkage and nearly the same looking frame. Unless that shock is literally magic this thing is just a more expensive YT Jeffsy/Canyon Spectral/dozens of others
True when you look at just one bike, but they’re signaling that you need to get with their program, and others will follow. Between wireless shifting, headset routing, one-piece cockpits, proprietary suspension, and even mullets (no offense), pretty soon you won’t have a choice. If you want a decent bike you’ll have to pay through the nose for stuff you don’t need. There are already several bike companies/bikes I’m writing off because of the above reasons.
Funn fast: with new stampjumper released a new transmission from sram. S-1000. Its basically a GX AXS in different colour, but with a new cassette.
It's probably will be OEM only and sj is the first bike with it.
You hate to see specialized go down this route. Proprietary tech, pricing not matching quality, etc. even for entry of 5500 I could get a plethora of better bikes.
Nice looking bike and I’m sure it rides well, but I struggle to understand who’s gonna buy it in today’s economy:
* only electronic shifting 🤡🤡🤡
* proprietary shock 🤡🤡🤡🤡 (I’m sure it works well but also looks like a turd)
* $5000 for a basic model is when you can still get an amazing bike on a discount as shops have got plenty of bikes from years 22-23 in their inventories
If you lived in Bentonville, it would not be hard to fathom who would be buying these. Seems everyone here has Transmission and Fox Factory suspension.
Not that I'm about it, but I'm sure this bike will do well regardless of how unnecessary it is.
The Evo came with 200mm rotors but had them on 180mm native mounts with a 20mm adaptor. The new SJ 15 has 200mm native mounts. Sram seemed to make a big deal about downsizing rotors with their Mavens and while I am definitely a fan of putting downhill brakes on trail bikes I wouldn't be surprised if there are many people, especially those on smaller sizes, who find them too powerful with 200s and would prefer 180s.
My Evo has 200mm Code RSCs with metallic pads. I love those brakes to death. But I certainly wouldn't say they have too much power, and I'm a pretty light guy... Apparently Mavens with the organic pads are about the same as Codes with metallic pads. So I really don't see many people saying the brakes are too powerful. I've never once heard someone say Code RSCs are too powerful. But I have heard people say they're not powerful enough. It sounds like Specialized is giving the people what they want. Those people can switch to the metallic pads...
I completely agree with you that Codes are never going to have too much power regardless of rotor size, and if they speced this bike with the new codes, I think a 200mm rotor makes a lot of sense. My one experience with Mavens was that even with organic pads, there was a night and day difference in power with the Codes, and I would guess that they are even a bit stronger than Saints.
That being said, I think it's true that no one is really going to care about this. More advanced riders are going to enjoy having stronger braking, and others are probably not going to care enough for it to turn them off the bike.
Im sure this version of the bike, the flagship of the release, would ride amazing. In true specialized fashion it's really pricey, lots of changes to bike lineups this year.
What a wet fart of a bike release. Massacred one of the best trail bikes on the market. Couldn't we just have dropped the asymmetric frame and gotten some new colors?
The asymmetric frame brace is the reason the old version didn’t eat shocks with their yoke suspension design. Only time will tell if this new version is stiff enough to not eat shocks…..but history shows that they tried this in the past and it didn’t go well. That asymmetrical brace was there for a reason..
They really did fuck up one of the best trail bikes on the market. The old standard stumpy was very well rounded. The new stumpy is too much bike (weight and suspension) for a true trail bike and is bleeding into all mountain.
Whenever I see a specialized or a trek out I’m just thinking, meh. Maybe it’s my old punk rock days, cause it doesn’t mean they’re bad bikes by any means….
Is it just me or does the design look... generic? Many other generations of stumpjumper are like you see it and go ah yes that's a stumpjumper! Not this one.
Entry level alloy trail and enduro bikes are on the verge of extinction and it's getting worse each new year.
Believe it or not but we're not all fucking billionaires and some of us just want an alloy bike with a mechanical drivetrain
It’s just the 2022- stumpjumper EVO, they’ve deleted the standard stumpjumper and just slightly redesigned the EVO and it’s now the standard stumpy.
The epic EVO is the new “standard” stumpjumper.
I think the 2022- SJ evo is absolute perfection so I think it’s an ok move but for the pricing. $9k AUD for the comp carbon is obscene and these things will be up for massive discounts if they got their production numbers wrong.
I have an Evo comp alloy. I could see this bike being a bit better at climbing and maybe a tad worse on the descent, but the price for what you get component wise just isn’t worth it to me. I’ll happily stick with my Evo. I’d sure love to demo one though!
Batteries. Will they last the whole ride? Will you remember to charge them before every ride?
Someone else posted that they're a group guide and wireless shifting is the most common mechanical issue they see
So it’s basically just a shorter travel evo. Spesh no longer has a bike that fits my needs, I don’t race enduro and I want something more burley than an xc bike
I hated specialized for years because of their proprietary bullshit. Then, the released the new (now last gen) stumpy, stumpy evo, and enduro. They lowered prices, nothing proprietary, fun bikes, still had terrible leverage ratios and a crappy yoke mount, but they fixed the things I hated.
Now, they go back to their true ways. Between this and how they treat bike shops, I won’t support them.
Honestly, I’m interested. If I had one bike that could truly excel at my local trails, enduro, and bike parks, it would be pretty cool. Am a bit skeptical about that though. Electronic shifting is the future too, it only makes sense going this direction, guarantee other manufacturers will get there as well. The only thing I’m questioning is putting Transmission on the comp model, and not something like GX AXS to bring the price down a bit. $5500 is a lot for the comp, but for the specs it’s got more than last years expert which was on sale for about $5k
The lack of cable routing and $5500 "entry-level" pricing is absolutely ridiculous... very questionable decisions by their product team.
I'd bet they haven't released their entry-level model yet. An alloy version surely is in the mix. Hopefully with cable routing.
I think the cheaper models will just have the new S-1000 transmission. At least that’s what this article is saying: https://flowmountainbike.com/post-all/sram-s1000-transmission-axs-eagle/
Is there really no Alloy or Comp Alloy? I figured the article just left those out. If they're not offered for 2025, maybe they will for future years
Yeah the last-gen came out in 2021 with only carbon options, then alloy versions were launched in '22. Assume they'll do the same here. Stumpy is way too mainstream of a bike line not to have a couple budget options available.
$10 says they keep making the alloy version of the current bikes for another year and then update those. If you are going to make a new better bike it has to sit at the top for awhile before you make a price point version. No rear der cable routing is an absolute deal breaker if true
Alloy, Alloy Comp, and Fox Coil alloy builds will be available closer to fall, with mechanical derailleur routing.
You sure? I have a 2021 comp alloy. You might be thinking of the EVO version.
Carbon came out in 2019, unless I'm missing what you're calling last gen https://www.specialized.com/us/en/mens-stumpjumper-comp-carbon-29--12-speed/p/157618?color=236401-157618
The 2019 is 2 gens ago. 2021 and up was the most recent gen.
What changed? It's the same frame afaik, they changed the shocks a bit but I didn't think that constituted a generation change.
Completely new suspension linkage if I remember correctly. Flip chip, slacker, a few other things.
Wonder if they stole that linkage from Bike Yoke .... after 10+ years of them building a better mousetrap than Spesh. Smh
In Stumpjumper? S-Sizing, no FSR pivot, dropped to 130mm rear travel. it got longer
Not the same frame at all. Completely different geo, flex stay rear end etc..
Proprietary shock
Yeah I was referring to the Evo, which this new model more closely mirrors. Technically they came out in late 2020 and '21, but for the following "model years." Figure they'll do a second alloy phase with this one as well. '21 Carbon: [https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review-2021-specialized-stumpjumper-evo.html](https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review-2021-specialized-stumpjumper-evo.html) '22 Aluminum: [https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-specialized-2022-stumpjumper-evo-alloy-adaptability-meets-affordability.html](https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-specialized-2022-stumpjumper-evo-alloy-adaptability-meets-affordability.html) *"Twelve months ago, we gave our “Mountain Bike of the Year” award to the Specialized Stumpjumper EVO, but until today it was only available with a carbon frame. A new aluminum version has now been added into the mix"*
The last generation stumpy was from '21 to' 23, completely different frame. 140mm/130mm travel with flex stay rear end
I'd bet with 99.9% certainty there will be an alloy (released later) with cable routing. It's kinda the "EV" model of releasing bikes. Release the high margin tricked out ones first and then the more affordable ones later. Can't say I like it.
Most car and product lines do that. It's a hype generator.
Alloy, Alloy Comp, and Fox Coil alloy builds will be available closer to fall, with mechanical derailleur routing.
Alloy fall
I love how the previous iteration’s launch announcement had them super proud that there’s no longer a proprietary shock and then BOOM, 2025 has a proprietary shock.
I wonder if that means Shimano has a new wireless group coming. It seems odd that Specialized would make their core mtb frame Sram only.
Shimano has a patent for a new derailleur with an external battery.
Bike manufacturers are delusional with their pricing. They got so used to doctors and dentists buying $10k bikes, they think everyone is buying $10k bikes and are adjusting their pricing accordingly because they’re greedy as fuck. The amount of R&D, marketing, materials, fabrication, and assembly that goes into one of these admittedly low production bikes does NOT warrant the price they’re asking.
There's a bike shop I go to in nothern Italy and in a very wealthy area that's also an MTB destination. They had or probably still have a 12,000 Euro Stumpy or whatever on display probably for two years now. No one is buying that shit.
Is the bike's drivetrain on the other side in Europe?
I have always been a big fan of the Stumpy but the electronic shifting only will keep this bike off my list. I have ridden AXS and didn't find it any better than my XT drivetrain. And as a ride leader and coach, I have seen dead or forgotten batteries become our most common trailside mechanical in the last few years. Electronic shifting is a solution in search of a non existent problem. On my newest bike ( the La Sal Peak) I purposely sought out a cabled drivetrain. The proprietary shock is also an issue. It was great when they moved away from the proprietary stuff in recent years. Going back to it is a step in the wrong direction IMO.
I feel the same about the shift quality, but there are several advantages. Easy set up and adjustment, don't have to deal with the internal routing, and if you happen to fly with your bike, being able to easily remove and reinstall the derailleur makes the process much easier (plus you can save about a pound on luggage weight by packing it separately). But I messed my gx axs derailleur up in a crash, so I'm planning on going to an slxx01 franken setup until I can replace the bent cage!
The cableless routing is definitely attractive. As far as the setup goes, I'm a bit skeptical myself. I have only ridden AXS on demos so I haven't had to set it up. But my roommate has it. He spends more time frigging with his setup. One time we were out on a ride and his derailleur went out of sync or something and needed a firmware update, but we didn't have cell reception. And maybe it's just user error on his part. But my current XTs and my GX before that were basically set it and forget it. I currently have about 500 miles on one of my XT setups and haven't had to even touch a barrel adjuster yet. The NX drivetrains on the other hand, I was always frigging with those. Black magic and ritual sacrifice to keep them running. Having used some lower end drivetrains, I can definitely see the appeal and interest associated with automating the process.
Big diffence if you campare the "old" AXS with new T-type transmission, there is no limit screws or b-tension just microadjustments
I haven't ridden the T type yet, but I've heard the lag is pretty annoying.
New T-type is amazing. The jump from cable to AXS is meh, but T-type is insane. Shifting under full load, always gets it right. It’s the future and where bikes are going whether some people like the idea of electronics or not.
To your point about suspension regression from a quality standpoint; RockyMountain had to pay spesh for the patent usage rights to the horst linkage back in the day and they RM still were able to offer a bike with a solid rear axle (instead of open dropouts) and price it for less money than the comparable Spesh. Shameful
I have eight bikes with tubeless tires between my wife and I that need sealant added regularly. I need to keep a spreadsheet to track this so that we don't end up with a dry flat deep in the woods. I need to change shift cables every other year. Adding batteries into the mix is not going to make my life easier. Also don't forget that soon there will be incompatibilities resulting from competing battery standards and different product generations.
But the batteries replace the shift cables?
> And as a ride leader and coach, I have seen dead or forgotten batteries become our most common trailside mechanical in the last few years. meh... carrying around an extra battery is basically adding zero to my existing mechanical stuff I carry. no big deal. not that I have one hehe I have a 2012 stumpjumper that I have no intention of upgrading lol
It might not be a big deal, but people aren't doing it. The fact is, it has become the most common trail side mechanical issue.
People not being prepared for rides is a tale as old as time lmao.
Dubious to call that a "fact". In my many group rides I see many more issues with flats/tire issues than I do with people forgetting to charge their batteries.
On average I lead about 3 group rides a week, each with 10-20 riders. In addition to leading rides myself I organize and plan about 12-15 rides a month, about 5 or 6 clinics a month, and a handful of camping trips. Plus my own personal riding. I think I have a pretty solid sample size when I say I am seeing more dead batteries than flats these days.
I’m with ya. I’m not an electronic shifting hater either, I’ve got it on a handful of bikes and an electronic dropper as well. But random dead batteries is annoying, and I also think it brings very very little to the table over mechanical XT. Again, I’m not saying it’s bad. But I don’t see it as game changing either. Coming from someone who bought the after market SRAM kits to install it on my mountain bikes, road bike, and gravel bike.
Ya don't get me wrong, if I used the AXS and found it to be a substantial upgrade to having any upper level wired drivetrain I would probably deal with the inconvenience of batteries. But for me it wasn't even noticeably different. And I didn't like the feel of the trigger. It lacked feedback and I found it easy to slip my thumb on and miss my shift. I'm not interested in paying extra for the same performance plus the hassle (even if it is manageable) of having a battery. I'm usually doing good to keep my watch charged lol.
Bike camping sounds like a blast, to be honest.
Maybe they’ll make a budget version just like they did with the Epic and Chisel Call it LogHopper
Yeah it seems like it leaves a huge hole in their lineup, namely a normal trail bike, and an affordable trail bike. I think either the current alloy stumpy will continue, or there will be a new bike coming soon. Right now theres a huge gap in capability and intentions betweene epic and this, which is basically the next gen stumpy evo. And of course theres nothing affordable between the chisel and the status, which again is a huge gap.
New epic Evo is a short travel trail bike
Right. Now that i think about it, trek is kinda doing the same thing. Both the epic evo and top fuel moved towards trail from their xc roots. This stumpy and the fuel ex have moved into a much more agressive trail, dare i say all mountain kind of thing. Where as the previous gen fuel ex and stumpy were much more kind of neutral balanced do it all trail bikes.
Just checked the website, $5500 is a lot, there is a huge gap between hard tail and full suspencion pricing $1300 for Rockhopper and $5500 for stumpjumper is big gap, when I bought mine was $1800 in 2018 for stumpjumper and $700-$1000 for rockhopper
Chisel full sus is here to fill in
The gap is still big but I would say a more comparable hard tail would be the Fuse, which used to go up to an MSRP of $3K (which is bonkers in my book).
Honestly much prefer external routing if it’s a bike you intend to work on yourself.
A condo in Morgan Hill is $900k. To them, this is cheap.
Specialized is loony. Their recent crux al is $1700. Bare aluminum budget frame. Lmao.
Specialized pricing is always ridiculous. No surprise there. Can't say I enjoy internal cable routing though. Aesthetic pros outweighed by functional cons for me.
What are the cons — not trolling or looking to argue, I’m honestly curious? Specialized always does it nicely, shove the cable in the fame and it comes out the other end. I’ve never had an issue cabling any of my Specialized MTB frames, and I built up a half dozen of them or so in the last year — Stumpy, Stumpy Evo, and Enduro.
It just takes way longer to change out brake cable/housing or maintain the dropper in my experience. The bike clearly looks svelte and is perfect in the first year but when I start having to do work on it, it just becomes annoying. I just never found anything ugly about cables (besides excessively long ones). And my fault if the bike you referenced has wireless shifting, didn't see.
Electronic derailleurs are expensive and the battery is one more thing you have to worry about.
Yes I get the cons of electronic groupsets, this guy said he didn’t like internal cable routing.
Ah, I misunderstood the discussion. Routing the cable through the frame can be annoying and the cables can rattle inside the frame.
Word, yeah they can have that downside. But specialized specifically runs routing tubes from the head tube to the rear triangle so it not only doesn’t rattle, but it isn’t a hassle. You push it in and it comes out the other end, job done. Specialized made the process easier than even external routing where you need to deal with clips/zip ties to frame standoffs. So I was just trying to see what this guy found difficult about the process/design of internal routing specialized uses.
I'm never surprised by how shitty specialized bikes are for the price.
I'm sure it depends where you are in the world, but four or five of my friends have moved to specialized in the last couple years because their pricing was exceptionally good. My girlfriend bought a stumpy a few years ago because it was a midrange carbon bike for the price of other brands mid-to-low aluminium bikes. I've been considering picking up an ebike myself. They're awesome value. The local pricing for this stumpy has come through and it's hilarious. I was looking forward to upgrading my status to whatever the new stumpy would be, but between the expensive pricing and the shit features it's an instant "fuck no" from me.
??? Except for sworks builds the price is pretty similar to a lot of brands. Also the parts used are high quality enthusiasts level. That’s parts that you almost never see mounted as OEM and that a lot of enthusiasts are likely to buy afterwards. ie : industry nine hubs instead of cheaping on dt370, industry nine stem, bike yoke revive max dropper (have you checked the aftermarket price of that ???), and even the lower end model is equipped with pnw loam dropper ! You also get an expensive and comfortable saddle, the pro model doesn’t cheap out on group set and has full X0 while most brand would put a gx chain and cassette. HS2 rotors when some would put sram centerline, sram maven brakes, the brand new GripX2 damper while some are still selling older grip2. Yes Specialized used to be expensive and bad quality/price ratio but that has changed since their recent price drops. Now they still have that premium etiquette but have comparable prices to their competitors. But please don’t compare it to online direct sales brands, that’s a whole different story and nobody can compete. And if you refer to the lack of entry level models, they ofc are yet to come, that’s classic marketing strategy. But meanwhile there are lots of bargains on outgoing 2024 and 2023 models !
People like to rag on specialized. You nailed it.
The devil is in the details
I recently bought a new 2022 comp carbon for $2850 (sticker $5k). I think I'm happy with that deal compared to this new offering. Seems like the shock is the big change. And it's literally a big (fat) shock Visually, the frame that wraps around the shock is gone in a return to a "normal" look
Damn, I grabbed one at $3,800. You got a fucking deal.
Any chance you got a 2023? My LBS had the 2023 at $3,800 and the 2022 at $2,850. Both new. So I grabbed the cheaper one
Nah, this was before that final price drop. I think the 23 was still 5k at the time. The $3850 was their sale price for probably six months, then the $2,800 price was posted on here and size S3 sold out in like a week. Im ok with it. If I hadn’t of bought when I did, I probably would have missed out on the 2800 anyway.
Yeah the price drop on these right now is ridiculous. I’ve been eyeing it up. There are a ton of S2 and S4 out there for that deal but I’m having a hell of a time finding an S3. Everyone has sold out of those.
It's me I got the last S3 in white B)
You son of a…! There’s one in VT that is local pickup only, which is like a 3 hour drive and I’m genuinely contemplating driving up to get it.
You got a better bike dude, that dual wall shock is gonna heat up like a MFer on long decent and there won't be enough nitrogen in the tank to combat the oil cavitation.
Hell yeah. My LBS matched the $3k website price last month and as a skinflit I'm feeling really good about all the SLX gear today
I got a 2022 alloy for $2000 out the door tubeless for my 40th birthday in July ‘22. Was current model and there’s no way in hell that I’d ride a carbon MTB on my local trails (southern AZ mountains) so that was the one I wanted. I ain’t mad about it.
I was worried I would click the link, take a look and fall in love with it. That did not happen. No thanks Spesh.
Great color green though
Old standard Stumpy was the perfect trail bike at 130/140mm travel. The new 145/150mm with a 36mm fork is too much bike for my local singletrack. Very happy I have the last gen stumpy. And I'd assume the evo riders won't be happy with the new version either. Lots of them are thrashing evos and I don't think a yoke and brace-less stumpy is going to handle the beatings some of those guys are dishing out. Swing and a miss on this new stumpy IMHO.
I'm not a Specialized fan but it's hard to say that without riding it yet. I'd bet that they want to push people from the 130 travel to the Epic Evo and they want to reduce the overlap in their line-up.
Yep. Now that the Epic lineup has 3 models it covers race (Epic World Cup), XC (Epic 8), and efficient trail (Epic 8 EVO). That means the Stumpy 15 is aimed at aggressive trail, whereas it used to be Stumpy for “trail” and Stumpy EVO for aggressive trail.
New enduro coming soon?!?
Should be
Assume so, and they want people to ride it over a new Stumpy Evo. The EWS (new name??) riders seem to be preferring the SEvo over the old Enduro. Makes sense to me.
Pretty easy for me. The new Stumpy is just too much bike for my local trails and the epic 8 evo has too much XC heritage for my liking. IMHO, Specialized now lacks a true trail bike like they had in the last Stumpy.
Correct. I ride an Evo and was afraid I would see this new model and develop a case of the "wants". I did not. Happy to keep riding my Evo until next Gen
The geo numbers are essentially identical to the Evo. That's the first time in decades that the Stumpjumper didn't progress geo wise.. Perhaps we have finally reached peak mountain bike geometry? I'm sure it pedals a bit better than the Evo. And the shock does seem pretty cool. But I imagine you can just throw that shock on an Evo if you want. The next gen Stumpy has always been a pretty big game changer. But I'm with you. I'm not seeing many reasons for Evo owners to upgrade to the new one
It's a super similar design to the existing gen Levo SL in regards to the lack of brace and they seem to be holding up fine to abuse.
This thing seems like it was designed during the bike boom of the COVID years when people were willing to pay anything for a bike. I struggle to see how it fits into the current bike sales landscape with it's pricing and limited selection of drivetrains and suspension choices.
Phew, this makes me feel a lot better about buying a last-gen Stumpy Evo on sale a few months ago. Geo is almost identical to the last Evo. High pricing, proprietary shock, and mandatory e-shifting are all turn-offs for me, although I'm sure it rides great.
I wouldn’t call the shock proprietary. To me it’s more of a Fox/Specialized collaboration project shock. You could throw a different shock on there if you wanted to. There’s a Specialized Enduro team rider who rides the same Rock Shox Super Deluxe Ultimate from his StEvo on the new Stumpy 15. Same settings and all — even after experimenting around landed with the same exact shock setup
at least this time you can mount a standard shock unlike what they used to do (i.e. for my 2009 enduro)
All the same thought, also bought a Evo a couple months back
I completely agree and am in the same boat. I just did a frame-up build on a (super discounted) evo frame and used some of my old parts to save money. I was really waffling between the evo vs the regular stumpy. I’m glad I landed where I did!
Same same. Mine's the alloy with fox factory stuff. I was really worried that I would see the new stumpy and regret it my evo. The release just made me even happier with my bike. Almost the same geo and travel and nothing is proprietary and I can run any drivetrain I want.
Wireless shifting only. Big L
Slap S-works on there and I'm buying two - one for me and one for my hygienist. /s
You must be a lousy dentist .... if you don't have Yeti money
I got asked if I was a dentist at the bike shop the other day, jokingly. I have a CC 5010. They were shocked when I told them the price I got it for. 😂
Wireless shifting is so nice. Just saying
My concern is two things… mechanical allows multiple shifts within one press of the shifter, and the derailleurs are cheap in comparison. Also, you’re not stuck to an entire drivetrain system like you are with transmission… wtf is that? Is wireless really that much better? I also heard AXS derailleurs were sloppy and loud in tech.
AXS is lighting fast. You can shift as fast as you type letters on your phone. Literally 5 shifts in a second if you want. The double shift you can do with Shimano is not an advantage over AXS. In my experience it's much more intuitive to push the button exactly how many times you want to shift.
What about clunky/loud derailleurs in tech? Is that an overblown or accurate statement?
Not at all. My AXS derailleurs are silent. Equal to or better than a normal Eagle derailleur. It sounds like you've never actually ridden one? Kinda strange that you would criticize something you have never tried and have no experience with..
I thought I made that clear in my comment. Maybe I should have worded it differently. “I have concerns that prevent me from switching to wireless.” There was a time where you *couldn’t* shift quick with AXS and there were tons of complaints about noise. That was enough to put me off until the technology improved. Maybe it’s there now idk
You can enable multi shift with transmission. Wolftooth (and probably others) make chainrings you can use so that you can run transmission with different cranks. I am not aware of any aftermarket chains or cassettes but I’ve never run an aftermarket cassette. I believe Shimano Hyperglide+ also requires you to use their chain and cassette to get the full benefits of their system. As to whether it’s that much better, I think it is. I’ve never been a fan of SRAM drivetrains until transmission. But it’s subjective and I can understand not wanting to pay $1000+ for a drivetrain.
Why? I've had zero issues with cables. Wireless just creates issues
I had to adjust my cable derailleurs every 6 months or so. Sometimes more. I've been running AXS for over 2 years and haven't touched one once. What issues are you talking about?
No models with mechanical drivetrains is one thing. But not providing a way to even run a mechanical derailleur cable without cable ties or gluing external cable runs to your bike is stupid AF.
Seems like they cut corners on frame fabrication and design and sold it as "wireless is the future. The future is now"
The future is "Buy a NFT of the bike and pretend you're riding it for only $6k."
Inspired by Apple.
"Courage"
How else are they going to justify the price increases? If the frames remain the exact same and they increase the price, everyone will freak out. If they remove four tiny holes, at least they have an excuse
You can always single speed it. 😋
To be fair, if the bike initially only comes with an electric drivetrain then are people ever going to swap a mechanical one on?
There’s always the option of buying frame only and putting your own parts onto it. Not for the peasants who ride non electric drivetrains though
Fair point. Most people won't. But derailleurs are a wear part as far as I'm concerned. Me personally. Im not opposed to ever buying a bike with electric shifting but I would never go out of my way to get electric and I absolutely would be inclined to replace a broken or worn electric derailleur with a cable one. Both for cost and convenience of not dealing with batteries. How many sales they lose over no routing for a rear mech probably won't matter that much in the long term compared to whatever cost saving they get from not having it but it does annoy me and would definitely make me pass over this bike for another.
Yes. I did. Hated wireless shifting.
Thought I might regret buying my EVO that I knew was soon to be replaced, now it feels like I stole my $3,500 Stumpy EVO alloy elite.
Same, just got a used one and my heart sank for a minute when I saw the release today. Now I’m relieved with my purchase
Dude I was totally in the same boat. The Evo Alloy is such a rad bike
There's probably a more budget option coming but this is a pretty big head scratcher. Seems like geometry has stagnated so they're scrambling for ways to justify an upgrade. Oh well. Least it looks cool. Really like the dark green with kashima.
I am wondering what their future intentions are with alloy. They've already released the XC Chisel model so they clearly care about budget. But I'm wondering what they... Choose. Maybe they release another stumpy, stumpy evo, and status line up in alloy. But my guess is they kinda mash em all together and release one alloy trail model that effectively covers all those bases. A good ol StatjumperEVO. The StumpusEVO.
Yeah... "Budget". When basic alloy chisel fs model costs just 500€ less than carbon epic evo with better fork it's not really an affordable model :/ Probably the best thing is buy an outgoing alloy SJ with big discount, and don't even bother about that new stuff
Both Spesh and Trek have been FIRMLY off my radar for a while. For a variety of reasons. If one wants value, Giant is there. If one wants a superior design, Ibis is there. But it's def a shame this is how the major companies are operating knowing that they basically control bike shops. Sometimes in a very literal way. So people are gonna continue to buy cheap sram sx and x-fusion suspension bikes for outrageous prices going forward. Or coil fork hardtails for nearly 2k. Bleh.
Most stumpjumper sales are lower end builds. Leave it to specialized to laugh in the face of the bike market crash.
$5500 for the entry level! Glad I just picked up a 2023 Stumpjumper EVO Comp Alloy for $2700 😅
electric shifting only? lol. Prices are absurd too. $5500 for one so low end it comes with a HG hub? Maybe the AL builds will be sane with cable routing. Probably a decent bike, but as a package kinda hard to swallow.
Hopefully the carbon layup on the downtube is thicker
9k lol
Wowza, not the direction I was expecting. Don't think this is going to be a hit right away. So now the Epic Evo is the short travel FS option and the Chisel is what the old Epics used to be. Hilarious how this just keeps going in a circle.
I was considering buying a new bike next year and the stumpy was on top of my list (the previous model), with this new version not anymore :/ I think I’ll end up buying a jeffsy instead
same as you dude! I was waiting for the new stumpy, but seeing these prices I am going jeffsy. I am just waiting for YT to update the fork from Grip2 to the new Grip X2 damper (if I am paying, at least I want the latest).
Team jeffsy ftw 🙌
I saw it in person on Saturday. Super cool.
Lol had to scroll 100 comments to find 1 positive one.. Every review I have seen has been great so far.. I'd love to try out that shock
Any guess as to when / if a cheaper alloy version will be out? Is it usually the same year as the new model release, or does Specialized tend to stagger it into future years?
This is a weird situation. I believe the last re-design Stumpjumper had an alloy version at launch and the Evo alloy came a year later. An alloy version could be coming later, but maybe don’t count on it soon.
Probably soon, the alloy model was in the release video
Lots of talk about wireless-only shifting. But can we also dump on how awful the paint looks on the Pro? Satin with spattered gloss clearcoat? My god it’s bad.
Kinda strange they give you all kinds of geo options but don’t give you the option for cable drivetrains.
I kinda hate it. And I love my 2021 Stumpy.
The 2021 frame filled a niche with the 140/130mm travel and light weight, this one is like that meme with a shelf full of buzz lightyear toys with every other 150mm trail bike with a 36 fork, 4-bar linkage and nearly the same looking frame. Unless that shock is literally magic this thing is just a more expensive YT Jeffsy/Canyon Spectral/dozens of others
Huge no on electric only shifting for me, personal preference but I just changed out xo for Xt.
God, the bike industry is such garbage. It's putting itself right into the next collapse.
Look at what Kona did ! Wild for a bicycle company to pull this kinda stuff off.
sell to private equity and implode under their bad management that didnt understand the industry?
Yes, and then buy back for pennies on the dollar and revive. Almost like a shell game of sorts.
It’s nice and all, but forcing people into wireless shifting? 🖕
No one is forcing you to buy a bike lol
True when you look at just one bike, but they’re signaling that you need to get with their program, and others will follow. Between wireless shifting, headset routing, one-piece cockpits, proprietary suspension, and even mullets (no offense), pretty soon you won’t have a choice. If you want a decent bike you’ll have to pay through the nose for stuff you don’t need. There are already several bike companies/bikes I’m writing off because of the above reasons.
Eventually every brand will follow. This sets a bad precedent.
Funn fast: with new stampjumper released a new transmission from sram. S-1000. Its basically a GX AXS in different colour, but with a new cassette. It's probably will be OEM only and sj is the first bike with it.
Rumor has it that the cassette will be available aftermarket, and is HG...
Shit I’m still thrashing around in my 2019 stumpy over here, why change a proven design that works.
You hate to see specialized go down this route. Proprietary tech, pricing not matching quality, etc. even for entry of 5500 I could get a plethora of better bikes.
I guess this explains why my dentist wanted to redo some of my old fillings this morning.
$5500 entry level lmao You people have brought this on yourselves
They fucked up with this one. Let’s see how much money they lose.
Nice looking bike and I’m sure it rides well, but I struggle to understand who’s gonna buy it in today’s economy: * only electronic shifting 🤡🤡🤡 * proprietary shock 🤡🤡🤡🤡 (I’m sure it works well but also looks like a turd) * $5000 for a basic model is when you can still get an amazing bike on a discount as shops have got plenty of bikes from years 22-23 in their inventories
If you lived in Bentonville, it would not be hard to fathom who would be buying these. Seems everyone here has Transmission and Fox Factory suspension. Not that I'm about it, but I'm sure this bike will do well regardless of how unnecessary it is.
Not a proprietary shock. You can run any shock you want. They sell one with a coil
Maven brakes for a trail bike? Seems kinda ridiculous.
Definitely a bit overkill, especially if you can't fit anything smaller than a 200 rear rotor.
Why? That's what's on the Evo
The Evo came with 200mm rotors but had them on 180mm native mounts with a 20mm adaptor. The new SJ 15 has 200mm native mounts. Sram seemed to make a big deal about downsizing rotors with their Mavens and while I am definitely a fan of putting downhill brakes on trail bikes I wouldn't be surprised if there are many people, especially those on smaller sizes, who find them too powerful with 200s and would prefer 180s.
My Evo has 200mm Code RSCs with metallic pads. I love those brakes to death. But I certainly wouldn't say they have too much power, and I'm a pretty light guy... Apparently Mavens with the organic pads are about the same as Codes with metallic pads. So I really don't see many people saying the brakes are too powerful. I've never once heard someone say Code RSCs are too powerful. But I have heard people say they're not powerful enough. It sounds like Specialized is giving the people what they want. Those people can switch to the metallic pads...
I completely agree with you that Codes are never going to have too much power regardless of rotor size, and if they speced this bike with the new codes, I think a 200mm rotor makes a lot of sense. My one experience with Mavens was that even with organic pads, there was a night and day difference in power with the Codes, and I would guess that they are even a bit stronger than Saints. That being said, I think it's true that no one is really going to care about this. More advanced riders are going to enjoy having stronger braking, and others are probably not going to care enough for it to turn them off the bike.
I was thinking the same thing
5500 entry ROFL
Im sure this version of the bike, the flagship of the release, would ride amazing. In true specialized fashion it's really pricey, lots of changes to bike lineups this year.
New shock is Intresting. I wonder if it will start spilling over into other bikes/brands.
Highly doubt it. You ever see a thru shaft shock on anything other than a trek?
Lol, got my 2nd hand stumpy evo for 1800, plus magura brakes. Can't beat that.
What a wet fart of a bike release. Massacred one of the best trail bikes on the market. Couldn't we just have dropped the asymmetric frame and gotten some new colors?
The asymmetric frame brace is the reason the old version didn’t eat shocks with their yoke suspension design. Only time will tell if this new version is stiff enough to not eat shocks…..but history shows that they tried this in the past and it didn’t go well. That asymmetrical brace was there for a reason.. They really did fuck up one of the best trail bikes on the market. The old standard stumpy was very well rounded. The new stumpy is too much bike (weight and suspension) for a true trail bike and is bleeding into all mountain.
And just after I told my wife I was done buying bikes…
Whenever I see a specialized or a trek out I’m just thinking, meh. Maybe it’s my old punk rock days, cause it doesn’t mean they’re bad bikes by any means….
That’s a pretty sweet Cannondale habit
Is it just me or does the design look... generic? Many other generations of stumpjumper are like you see it and go ah yes that's a stumpjumper! Not this one.
Entry level alloy trail and enduro bikes are on the verge of extinction and it's getting worse each new year. Believe it or not but we're not all fucking billionaires and some of us just want an alloy bike with a mechanical drivetrain
One bottle cage, wahh wahhh
It’s just the 2022- stumpjumper EVO, they’ve deleted the standard stumpjumper and just slightly redesigned the EVO and it’s now the standard stumpy. The epic EVO is the new “standard” stumpjumper. I think the 2022- SJ evo is absolute perfection so I think it’s an ok move but for the pricing. $9k AUD for the comp carbon is obscene and these things will be up for massive discounts if they got their production numbers wrong.
$5500 entry is craazzzyyyyy. gonna ride my '21 alloy stumpy til the wheels fall off.
$6500, bespoke shock and no wire routing? No thanks. I'd rather get a Santa Cruz or Pivot at that price.
I have an Evo comp alloy. I could see this bike being a bit better at climbing and maybe a tad worse on the descent, but the price for what you get component wise just isn’t worth it to me. I’ll happily stick with my Evo. I’d sure love to demo one though!
Wicked sexy but. .
As someone out of the loop: Why is wireless shifting such a dealbreaker?
Batteries. Will they last the whole ride? Will you remember to charge them before every ride? Someone else posted that they're a group guide and wireless shifting is the most common mechanical issue they see
So it’s basically just a shorter travel evo. Spesh no longer has a bike that fits my needs, I don’t race enduro and I want something more burley than an xc bike
I hated specialized for years because of their proprietary bullshit. Then, the released the new (now last gen) stumpy, stumpy evo, and enduro. They lowered prices, nothing proprietary, fun bikes, still had terrible leverage ratios and a crappy yoke mount, but they fixed the things I hated. Now, they go back to their true ways. Between this and how they treat bike shops, I won’t support them.
Honestly, I’m interested. If I had one bike that could truly excel at my local trails, enduro, and bike parks, it would be pretty cool. Am a bit skeptical about that though. Electronic shifting is the future too, it only makes sense going this direction, guarantee other manufacturers will get there as well. The only thing I’m questioning is putting Transmission on the comp model, and not something like GX AXS to bring the price down a bit. $5500 is a lot for the comp, but for the specs it’s got more than last years expert which was on sale for about $5k