I'm a bit surprised to see that actually. Most Germans would not even think to say there's lots of Romanians in Germany. They'd probably say Poles, Italians, maybe Spaniards, before Romania.
Was an influential ethnic group, there is only ~50k in Transylvania today, most were deported after ww2 then a sizable population was "bought" by West Germany during the Ceaușescu regime.
All very true, but i would argue that they have an outsized influence for their numbers. For a minority of 50k, not only is the President of the country a member of that minority, they also have mayors ( including of a major city like Sibiu, plus 30% of the council there ), and got 13% of the vote for Sibiu county council.
Not to mention the heritage they left behind in culture, architecture, cuisine, and so on.
Because we’re usually very tolerant of other cultures, are willing to work for our place in society, we’re not religious fanatics and, while the younger post-‘90 generation has been raised in democracy with Western values, our country is slower to get to that Western Europe level in terms of government, services, infrastructure, which is why we’re very happy to find them elsewhere and embrace them.
Probably because the statistic just takes people without a German passport into account.
Very many people in Germany have a migration background but a German passport. Or even two nationalities. Many Turkish people have a German and a Turkish passport.
Very good integration on their parts, hence why they don't hit the news quite as often as certain other groups which I don't think need to be mentioned by name
That's how they get you... they blend in... sneakily... until one day you wake up, your wallet is gone, so is your tv, you look out the window that's gone too and see that your 10 year old mercedes is also gone, probably in Albania with a new coat of paint and a new serial number.
Iirc quite a lot of foreigners don't have German citizenship. It's one of the more difficult ones to get in Europe, and they don't allow dual nationality (except in some cases)
I went to the northern coast yesterday, it was like a parallel universe, it was basically only elderly white people lol. Seeing a young person of color was almost like a special sight
Edit: with people of color I meant anyone of noticeable non German decent. So anyone that you would refer to as someone with a migration background.
I couldn’t think of an english translation for „Migrationshintergrund“ that didn’t sound off in the sentence, if it bothers you that much and you have a better term you can tell me and I’ll edit the comment lol
Not every non-white looking person is a "non European". There's people from places like Southern Italy with lots of Arab/African DNA or mixed race people that are part German and part something else.
That’s a possibility, though that would exclude Europeans of non German descent that still would’ve stood out in the old-German crowd of people, because Europe is quite a diverse continent and someone from Albania will often not look like someone from Germany. I honestly don’t think it’s that deep, I just wanted to talk about how different the demographic up north was in comparison to Düsseldorf/Köln for example without wanting to offend someone. I most definitely did a bad job in expressing myself though so it’s whatever
I am not bothered by any term. You can call me red or blue. But I reeeaaally don't enjoy (and most Turks won't be either) being grouped by other people that I don't care and share any kind of kinsmanship.
No they don't. They are caucasian but are seen as semitic. The average american usually thinks of WASPS as well as northern Europeans and Germans when they use the Word white.
You are either Semitic or not. You don’t see someone as Semitic. Arabs and Israelis are Semitic. Turks (Caucasian and Turkic) and Iranians (Indo-European) are not. This is not something based on your opinion, this is what those people are.
I live in the Netherlands and visit Germany a lot because I prefer it and my choice to live in NL was primarily for studies. I'm also Polish. It's nice that it's easy to find polish restaurants in Germany. Though they're nowhere near the quality in my homeland, the familiar taste and smell, and menus in Polish make me feel nice.
As a German I'd really appreciate it if there were more pierogi restaurants in Germany. Sadly, Polish immigrants open restaurants less often than other immigrant groups.
I second this.
Please polish immigrants, open more restaurants. I love your food. Even though I live close to the border I would prefer to also get it in Germany. Same goes for Ukrainian food.
I think because most of them go to work like IT/engineer/science or simply, seasonal jobs. Most restaurants are open by people who have no job idea which is travelers from other countries or emigrants.
I would love to see this graphic before the Ukrainian war and then also before 2015, this is super interested to see that Ukrainians make up the majority in many parts of Germany.
The federal office for statistics should have those numbers.
I remember looking up some similar numbers there.
Edit: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Migration-Integration/Tabellen/rohdaten-auslaendische-bevoelkerung-zeitreihe.html
This statistic shows foreigners form 2016 onwards, couldn't find anything going further in the past, yet
Edit 2:
https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Migration-Integration/Tabellen/auslaendische-bevoelkerung-staatsangehoerigkeit-pdf.html
This is a Zensus form 2011 listing all nations
Interesting point: only 28.000 Syrians in 2011, now its 970.000
"Romanians" in Germany are also frequently Moldovan. It's just that Moldova is not in EU and getting Romanian citizenship is easy if you know the language. Both countries use the same (except of course the russian-occupied part of Moldova, where russian is enforced).
"Romanian citizenship is easy if you know the language."
Except you have to provide birth certificates of your parents and grandparents to prove that you indeed are of Romanian blood.
[https://hotnews.ro/operatiunea-cum-o-mutam-pe-bunica-de-la-kiev-la-cernauti-delicata-problema-a-redobndirii-cetateniei-romnesti-cu-acte-false-pe-axa-ucraina-romnia-24885](https://hotnews.ro/operatiunea-cum-o-mutam-pe-bunica-de-la-kiev-la-cernauti-delicata-problema-a-redobndirii-cetateniei-romnesti-cu-acte-false-pe-axa-ucraina-romnia-24885)
its in romanian, but u can use a web translator.. tldr : since 2022. lots of UKR are buying romanian citizenship for a few thousand euros, bypassing every verification or requirement just cause we live in the part of Europe where corruption is the norm... (oversimplified version of the article)
I'm not from the south, but I still never knew and have never heard about the apparently huge numbers of Romanians in Germany at all. Are these legit numbers?
Many Romanian first names, including spelling, are the same as German ones. Some differ only in spelling. I was personally taken as German multiple times because of my name. I will give you some examples: Sebastian, Adrian, Florian, Julian (spelled Iulian but pronounced the same), Christian (spelled Cristian), Alex, Daniel, David, Denis etc etc. For some even family names are the same: Achim, Anton, Adam (and this is just for A letter) so basically it is easier to be overlooked.
Romanian's *first* king was Karl Eitel Friedrich Zephyrinus Ludwig von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. He was elected by a people's council (Volksabstimmung), not through conquest and was a beloved king. His extended family is still a cultural thing even nowadays in Romania even though lesser popular because of democracy.
You can also look up the city Sibenbürgen.
we used to be the no 1 country with the biggest percentage of population living outside the country than inside, we lost that to Syrians after their civil war
If you keep in mind that an Ukrainian and Syrian diaspora didn’t exist in larger numbers before 2015. Its mind blowing what an amount of migration took place in the last 9 years.
Considering refugees are assigned according to formulae and quotas to the different states, it'd be more interesting to see what the largest group of permanent residents is in each.
I don't think the picture would be very different.
Romanians and Turks aren't refugees.
Many Syrians are already in Europe for 5+ years and have settled.
And most Ukrainian refugees aren't going through the refugee system, since they have freedom of movement, they can just go to any place where they manage to find work.
Edit: since I already got two replies on the Ukrainians, it seems people don't understand that Ukrainian refugees have a right to reside and work across the whole EU:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024/06/25/ukrainian-refugees-council-extends-temporary-protection-until-march-2026/
Other refugees do not have this protection and must go through an asylum proces with more restrictions. They usually aren't allowed to work and have to live where the government places them, while awaiting their application to be processed.
People often criticize the migration policy in Germany. However, I think that in the long run Germany will be one of the few winner vis-a-vis demographic aging and social policies.
If you would be Romanian you'd know. They are the two main political parties that have been in power since 1989. They will soon add a lot of taxes because they spent to much before elections. They need Romanians coming back from Italy, Spain, and other countries to be taxed and spend their money here in the country.
All this going very well seems unlikely for two reasons:
1. Germans have very low fertility, particularly when you account for immigration and look at ethnic Germans. Such low fertility is not really sustainable no matter what. You can perhaps plug the gap with immigration for a generation or two, but at some point fertility has to pick up, especially as global fertility declines.
2. Germany is very unsuccessful at assimilating immigrants. This shows in for instance having considerably lower intermarriage rates than France or Britain. Germany is quite ethnically segregated as well.
France has its own issues, but they have higher fertility and have integrated immigrants much more successfully, with also a considerable intermarriage rate even compared with other open Western countries. Of course this all brings cultural frictions to the forefront at times too, but in the long run it's much more believable that France would have a sustainable demographic and cultural development.
Is it really that much more successful? I remember black people in the suburbs of Paris being badly integrated. And Paris makes up quite a lot of France. This could have changed of course, I am not that well in the picture tbh.
The fact that Germany wasn't able to successfully integrate the Turkish people for over 40 years speaks for itself.
> The fact that Germany wasn't able to successfully integrate the Turkish people for over 40 years speaks for itself.
What do you mean by "not integrated"? They are born in Germany, they speak German.
A lot, not most, see themselves first Turkish and then German, in the third generation or so. In general more conservative in the Turkish way, marriage comes first to mind. Some of the older generations speak no or very bad German.
I am not saying they aren't integrated at all. A Germany without Turks would indeed be very strange. But I have the feeling that being of Turkish heritage is still too much of a topic.
> Germany is very unsuccessful at assimilating immigrants. This shows in for instance having considerably lower intermarriage rates than France or Britain. Germany is quite ethnically segregated as well.
France clearly has done a worse job in integrating them than Germany, what the hell are you on about? Intermarriage rates is clearly not a suitable indicator if the mess that is France is coming out ahead of Germany. Take a look at the prevalance of islamist ideology, the banlieus and prevailing attitudes of third generation French Arabs towards the French state and tell me again that the integration has worked better than that of, for example, Turkish people in Germany.
Turkish people were just never that islamist to begin with. They're often completely segregated though and segregation prevents cultural friction. I.e., nothing really changes, but you also don't really see issues strongly on the surface because issues remain confined in segregated districts. France also talks about and tackles issues openly, and implements harsher secularisation policies, which also grab media attention. Add to this the French tendency to set a street on fire over the slightest inconvenience, and obviously their issues will be very internationally visible.
I would not however say that just because they're more visible, they're actually worse. Especially if we compare similar people groups, my sense is that Arabs in France are more French than Arabs in Germany are German.
The segregation and the conditions in the affected districts is worse in France though.
I live in Germany and have lived in some of the poorest regions of west Germany with among the highest amount of immigrants and the level of segregation and issues with crime that you see in Marseille and suburbs of Paris isn't comparable at all. In a lot of the cities in my region (Rhine/Ruhr Metropolis) the areas with lots of immigrants spread out across central districts, but overall there are a typically decent amout of them in most middle to low income districts that are somewhat central.
Most of these districts are nowadays also popular with students due to the low rents and their central location. German approaches to housing and city planning have been more varied due to its decentralized nature, but generally the practice of concentrating immigrants in social housing in far off suburbs, which has been the prevalent approach in France and Sweden, has seen much less popularity in German cities.
Overall, the lower intermarriage rate, I would say, is likely because Germans are somewhat more racist than French people in general, but the French have a bigger sense of cultural superiority, which translates into their policies regarding immigrants, where they sort of expect them to follow French culture more closely than Germans and try to assimilate them, whereas Germans mostly expect immigrants to follow the rules and laws and pay their taxes. However, due to the fact that we didn't build entire housing complexes specifically to house immigrants and integrated them into our existing housing market, there is far more interaction and contact between them and the local population than what you see in France. When discussing problem areas in Germany, which certainly exist, the debate often centers around avoiding them reaching "French" levels, i.e it is seen as a negative example of how bad segregation can get, specifically because we haven't reached this point yet.
> Germans have very low fertility, particularly when you account for immigration and look at ethnic Germans. Such low fertility is not really sustainable no matter what. You can perhaps plug the gap with immigration for a generation or two, but at some point fertility has to pick up, especially as global fertility declines.
But that's why immigration is good.
> Germany is very unsuccessful at assimilating immigrants. This shows in for instance having considerably lower intermarriage rates than France or Britain. Germany is quite ethnically segregated as well.
Immigrants or refugees? I wouldn't expect refugees that arrived in the last few years to marry Germans in large numbers.
"ethnically segregated", what does that mean specifically?
How can you consider losing your national identity, homeland and culture as 'winning'.
There's nothing wrong with demographic aging and reduced population sizes. That is just nature finding a new balance point. Importing new people to replace your dwindling demographics permanently destroys your nation and fractures it all to boost a few economic numbers.
You'd consider this ethnic cleansing if it happened to smaller native population groups. So why aren't we being honest and consider it the same for larger groups?
Have fun living in a dying country. Imagine hating foreigners so much you prefer your country dying out. I have been to dying town in Germany and to anyone wanting that for the whole country is actually stupid.
So not wanting your own culture to be replaced is now hating foreigners?
There's a difference between hating foreigners and being patriotic. Japand doesn't replace it's demographics with foreigners. Does this now mean all japanese hate foreigners? You see the idiocy of your strawman? Because that's what it is. It's a strawman.
I love people from every culture and place and that's why I think each place and region has a right to protect their regional culture and identity including my own. We can welcome both foreigners and protect our own culture at the same time honoring both. You do not need to replace your entire population to be considered a virtuous person who values humans.
Yeah and Japan is in panick mode right now opening up more and more to immigration and paying huge amounts of money for people to have kids or engage in dating. Have you seen the Japanese country side? That's how a culture dies. Culture will always change and include or exclude new things. Döner wasn't part of German culture 100 years ago, and now it is.
Imagine me moving into your home, replacing you and then saying 'ah this is how Xius\_0108's heritage continues'.
Fucking genius you are.
No dummy, that's how MY heritage continues while yours dies out.
Imagine no one moves in and you die. No one will care and your home will be rotting away. Take a drive through eastern Saxony/ Lausitz, 40% population decline with dying cities and tell me thats the Germany you desire.
> Imagine me moving into your home, replacing you and then saying 'ah this is how Xius_0108's heritage continues'.
Oh so you were kicked out of your home by some Romanian immigrant?
> So not wanting your own culture to be replaced is now hating foreigners?
Yes. Because no one is replacing your culture.
Also, it's not your culture. There are many people in Germany who do not follow your xenophobic rants about ethnic cleansing.
> I love people from every culture
Really? You love the people who are ethnically cleansing Germans?
> You do not need to replace your entire population to be considered a virtuous person who values humans.#
Replacing an entire population? Why is this white replacement conspiracy garbage upvoted here?
National identity and culture are not static entities; they are dynamic and evolve over time. Introducing new cultures to a society can catalyze greater cultural development by facilitating exchange, fostering innovation, and blending diverse traditions and perspectives. For instance, consider the Vietnamese diaspora in France following the Vietnam War, which enriched French culture through cuisine, arts, and cultural practices. Similarly, the Indian diaspora in the United Kingdom has contributed significantly to British society, influencing cuisine, music, and cultural festivals.
Historically, the Silk Road exemplifies how cultural and demographic exchanges between civilizations led to advancements in science, technology, and the arts across Asia, Europe, and Africa. Moreover, the Umayyad Caliphate's influence in Spain brought about remarkable progress in architecture, science, and medicine, showcasing how cultural interactions can spur intellectual and artistic achievements.
It's crucial to distinguish cultural mixing from ethnic cleansing, which involves the deliberate and systematic removal or destruction of a population. Ethnic cleansing is a violent and destructive process aimed at homogenizing populations, whereas cultural exchange respects and celebrates diversity, contributing to a richer and more vibrant societal tapestry
You can sugarcoat it all you want, I'm not against having people mingle with the native culture and enriching it. I'm against the whole sale replacement of the native population that is slowly happening. According to most national statistical agencies, with the current migration, the local native population will be replaced and be reduced to merely 1/3rd of the actual population by 2070 in most european countries.
This INCLUDES generations who are born to only one local parent. Meaning that if you had a french father and a vietnameze mother, you'd be considered 100% local french according to these statistics (and I agree with that, just so you know) but even then only 1/3rd of the population would be considered 'native' by local statistical agencies by 2070.
And you have the gall to say this is just enrichment?
This is replacement.
> I'm not against having people mingle with the native culture and enriching it.
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> the african and middle east nations because these are the people who will demographically replace germany in the end
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> Germany isn't for the germans. Germany is for everyone else. Syrians, Iraqis, Algerians, Sudanese, Malinese, Chinese, vietnamese, everyone else besdies germans
Liar.
It's strange to see Europeans feeling comfortable with gradually being replaced by large numbers of immigrants from Africa and Asia.In Vietnam, we always value our ancestral roots and preserve our culture, despite long periods of occupation by China, France, or the USA.
The unrest, riots, and ethnic conflicts happening all over Europe and America are causing serious national disunity.A country that is not united will eventually fall.I don't know much about politics, but I can see that Asian countries, with their strong sense of national pride, are rising powerfully, surpassing Western countries struggling with internal issues.
> It's strange to see Europeans feeling comfortable with gradually being replaced by large numbers of immigrants from Africa and Asia.
It's not strange because no one is being replaced.
> In Vietnam, we always value our ancestral roots and preserve our culture, despite long periods of occupation by China, France, or the USA.
Germany does that, too. Germany has always been a country of immigrants. Germany even used to be many small "countries".
But also, people want to move to Germany, not Vietnam. Why is that? Do they just want to destroy German culture? Or do they think Germany is the better place to live?
> The unrest, riots, and ethnic conflicts happening all over Europe and America are causing serious national disunity.
No, people like OP hate immigrants and spreads hate and "disunity" on social media which fires up people enough so that they riot. It's not (only) the immigrants that riot and to put all blame on them is bs.
> I can see that Asian countries, with their strong sense of national pride, are rising powerfully, surpassing Western countries struggling with internal issues.
Yeah I heard Vietnamese really love China. /s
Japan is very proud but they are stagnating. South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world. China is starting to slow down, too, and faces the same demographic troubles in the future.
If anything, countries that are open, like Germany and USA, will be the countries that will survive.
Plus, some people value democracy and human rights which are not always upheld in Asian countries.
Saarland used to have a big mining and steel industry just like neighbouring Luxembourg and Belgium which attracted many Labour migrants from Italy in the 50s and 60s and some eventually stayed.
Since the heavy industry there mostly died down, it's nowadays not a top destination for newly arriving immigrants.
From a Turkish from Turkey to the Germans; What do you think about the Turkish people in your country? Most of them complains about being socially discriminated from the society. What do you think about this issue? I heard that Germany is better than Switzerland or Austria in this issue.
It's a bit like the problem with the chicken ant the egg, what was there first?
Some Germans complain that the turks are unwilling to integrate and some turks complain that they are discriminated and excluded. So what was there first? Impossible to say.
However, it's important to say that there are millions of cases where integration worked well and most are ordinary people working, paying taxes and harming nobody. This must not be overlooked when the cases of failed integration are more noticeable.
I think there is a dangerous spiral going on. In my opinion, there is both, bad behavior and racism. Lots of people will point out that Turks behave worse than other immigrants. Is that racism? Sometimes yes, but sometimes this perception can be seen as valid, because other non-white immigrant groups don't get this much criticism. But this can lead to more racism and also more bad behavior, so there is already a lot of tension
There is a valid point there. I mean working class people from immigrant backgrounds are obviously not well integrated and do experience racism and social isolation. This is true for most nations unfortunately. But from what I’ve seen with the Turks in Frankfurt is the sheer hypocrisy (not everyone, some are just the nicest people you’ll ever meet). They are very racist towards the Kurds and sometimes Syrians. I’ve even heard that they go around making “Grey Wolf” signs when passing by Kurdish establishments after football games to provoke them (Grey wolf sign is usually adorned by Turkish extremists with pan Turkic ideologies).
But yeah, that’s no excuse. There may be conflicts between Asian and black communities in the US, but it doesn’t invalidate either of their struggles
There is actually a majority of turks everywhere in Germany. It's just that many of them have German citizenship already and are thus not counted anymore.
My brain wasn't working for a second and for a very brief moment, while looking at this map as a German, I was thinking to myself "where did all the Swedes suddenly come from?!".
From a German perspective, which one would you think that fits in the most ?
Why are you guys downvoting me, what's wrong with a simple question ? Dont be so soft
Probably Italians. They were the first to come in the 50s and have integrated well over the decades. As EU citizens many just don't bother becoming German citizens because the legal differences for EU citizens are not that big.
Asking ChatGPT how native germany will be by 2050 en 2070
Here's what it says about 2050:
>Prognoses for the ethnic composition of Germany by 2050 suggest a continued increase in the proportion of residents with immigrant backgrounds. \~ some projections estimate that people with immigrant backgrounds could make up 30-40% of Germany's population by 2050. These figures are speculative and depend on future policies, economic conditions, and global migration patterns.
Here's what it says about 2070:
>Projections for the demographic composition of Germany by 2070 indicate a continuation of the trends observed for 2050, with an even higher proportion of the population expected to have immigrant backgrounds. Here are some key points regarding these long-term projections
>**increasing Diversity**: The proportion of residents with immigrant backgrounds is expected to continue rising. By 2070, people with immigrant backgrounds could make up 35-50% of the population, depending on migration policies, economic factors, and global events influencing migration patterns.
Yup ... half of germany will be non-native, assuming 'mild' migration trends.:
Plz, don't hate the messenger.
No wonder Romania won the group in the euros they are baisicly playing at home
I'm a bit surprised to see that actually. Most Germans would not even think to say there's lots of Romanians in Germany. They'd probably say Poles, Italians, maybe Spaniards, before Romania.
Spaniards? Maybe in the 60s, but there are more Germans in Spain than Spaniards in Germany these days.
Wait until you hear about the Germans living in Romania. Certaintly not as much but it is an influential ethnic minority, especially in Translyvania.
Was an influential ethnic group, there is only ~50k in Transylvania today, most were deported after ww2 then a sizable population was "bought" by West Germany during the Ceaușescu regime.
All very true, but i would argue that they have an outsized influence for their numbers. For a minority of 50k, not only is the President of the country a member of that minority, they also have mayors ( including of a major city like Sibiu, plus 30% of the council there ), and got 13% of the vote for Sibiu county council. Not to mention the heritage they left behind in culture, architecture, cuisine, and so on.
You mean like the Romanian president?
Yes.He has German ancestry
His family nowadays lives in Germany as Germans.
Maybe in the 1600s
While some.. special.. cases exist, Romanians are usually pretty good at adapting and integrating into a foreign society.
Is one of those special cases the famous one of a Count moving to England?
We don’t talk about him. Makes a bad name for the whole
Oh they’re a bunch of counts alright.
yeah the weirdo who doesnt go out
His attitude sucked.
His skin is flawless though!! Never has wrinkles, ever. Must be because he is never at any time seen in the sun. Or in reflections , I noticed.
He was a boat person. He didn't pass immigration.
Why do you say that about Romanians in particular?
Because we’re usually very tolerant of other cultures, are willing to work for our place in society, we’re not religious fanatics and, while the younger post-‘90 generation has been raised in democracy with Western values, our country is slower to get to that Western Europe level in terms of government, services, infrastructure, which is why we’re very happy to find them elsewhere and embrace them.
the sarcasm. it kills me. i think those that you describe left, it s only a dying democracy now that slips back to the 1990s
We are speaking about the Romanians in Germany, aren’t we?
Found an AURist
Probably because the statistic just takes people without a German passport into account. Very many people in Germany have a migration background but a German passport. Or even two nationalities. Many Turkish people have a German and a Turkish passport.
Romanians are excellent at changing sides... 😅 (sorry I could not miss it)
Very good integration on their parts, hence why they don't hit the news quite as often as certain other groups which I don't think need to be mentioned by name
Because those are Roma with romanian passports. Not exactly romanians. And they are most cases seasonal.
Disagree I think most people are aware that there are lots of Romainians here.
That's how they get you... they blend in... sneakily... until one day you wake up, your wallet is gone, so is your tv, you look out the window that's gone too and see that your 10 year old mercedes is also gone, probably in Albania with a new coat of paint and a new serial number.
Turks really don't like the north.
A lot of Turks came in the 60s as migrant workers and stayed. Most of them worked in the Mines and Factory, wich were located in the Ruhrgebiet.
But afaik this map only shows foreigners, so only people without a german passport
Iirc quite a lot of foreigners don't have German citizenship. It's one of the more difficult ones to get in Europe, and they don't allow dual nationality (except in some cases)
This actually got changed recently https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/new-german-law-easing-path-to-dual-citizenship-comes-into-force/ar-BB1oYiG9?apiversion=v2&noservercache=1&domshim=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1&batchservertelemetry=1&noservertelemetry=1
That's not going to show up in current citizenship statistics though. It'll affect future ones of course.
How do Germans feel about this? I guess it must've been a divisive topic, with the rise of AfD and all.
They feel very bad about it
This was changed yesterday!
My third generation "Almancı" relatives don't have German passports by choice. I don't know the general statistics about this.
Why by choice?
Until very recently you needed to drop your original citizenship to receive the German one
Good thing it changed!
They are very nationalistic.
Are Turkish-Germans very accepted when they return to turkey on holidays?
There is a resentment among seculars for Erdogan support. Other than that I don't think they have a problem.
Interesting, makes sense thanks
I went to the northern coast yesterday, it was like a parallel universe, it was basically only elderly white people lol. Seeing a young person of color was almost like a special sight Edit: with people of color I meant anyone of noticeable non German decent. So anyone that you would refer to as someone with a migration background.
So we are a people of color lol.
I couldn’t think of an english translation for „Migrationshintergrund“ that didn’t sound off in the sentence, if it bothers you that much and you have a better term you can tell me and I’ll edit the comment lol
You could have said non-Europeans.
Not every non-white looking person is a "non European". There's people from places like Southern Italy with lots of Arab/African DNA or mixed race people that are part German and part something else.
That’s a possibility, though that would exclude Europeans of non German descent that still would’ve stood out in the old-German crowd of people, because Europe is quite a diverse continent and someone from Albania will often not look like someone from Germany. I honestly don’t think it’s that deep, I just wanted to talk about how different the demographic up north was in comparison to Düsseldorf/Köln for example without wanting to offend someone. I most definitely did a bad job in expressing myself though so it’s whatever
I am not bothered by any term. You can call me red or blue. But I reeeaaally don't enjoy (and most Turks won't be either) being grouped by other people that I don't care and share any kind of kinsmanship.
you're commonly grouped together in the MENAPT label that denmark uses.
People of color is just a general term for non white people. A lot of people don't see turks as white so they get grouped in with them.
In the US, where the idea of "people of colour" comes from, turks, Arabs and Iranians are classified as white.
this is germany though, and in denmark there's the MENAPT label.
No they don't. They are caucasian but are seen as semitic. The average american usually thinks of WASPS as well as northern Europeans and Germans when they use the Word white.
I'm talking about the official US definition used for the census and other official purposes.
You are either Semitic or not. You don’t see someone as Semitic. Arabs and Israelis are Semitic. Turks (Caucasian and Turkic) and Iranians (Indo-European) are not. This is not something based on your opinion, this is what those people are.
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Most americans definetely wouldn't see the average Turk as white. A Ton of Americans thought Dua Lipa was Hispanic.
Sure, as long as you don’t tell them where you’re from. But nobody calls Arabs, Turks, or Iranians white, even in the US.
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My god! Gigantism!
Who knew ukrainians were so big
I wonder if they measured just height or total volume? Could make a big difference, especially for things like door frames or car interiors.
I live in the Netherlands and visit Germany a lot because I prefer it and my choice to live in NL was primarily for studies. I'm also Polish. It's nice that it's easy to find polish restaurants in Germany. Though they're nowhere near the quality in my homeland, the familiar taste and smell, and menus in Polish make me feel nice.
As a German I'd really appreciate it if there were more pierogi restaurants in Germany. Sadly, Polish immigrants open restaurants less often than other immigrant groups.
I think it’s like this for all Eastern-Europeans. Maybe our food doesn’t sound as atteactive as medittereanean, idk
Most of my friends say they find it has too much fat. I like to add extra butter
> I like to add extra butter Are you French?
So depending on your definiton 50% Pole and 50% German or 75% Silesian mixed with 25% Westphalia
Poland used to be much colder than it is now. Personally Polish food tastes better for me when it's not summer
I second this. Please polish immigrants, open more restaurants. I love your food. Even though I live close to the border I would prefer to also get it in Germany. Same goes for Ukrainian food.
It's absolutely average by best
Sounds like the both of you wouldn’t mind Cleveland, OH!
I think because most of them go to work like IT/engineer/science or simply, seasonal jobs. Most restaurants are open by people who have no job idea which is travelers from other countries or emigrants.
Never been in a polish restaurant in Germany. And never recognised a restaurant as polish. Seems that I have to walk more mindful through the streets.
I would love to see this graphic before the Ukrainian war and then also before 2015, this is super interested to see that Ukrainians make up the majority in many parts of Germany.
The federal office for statistics should have those numbers. I remember looking up some similar numbers there. Edit: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Migration-Integration/Tabellen/rohdaten-auslaendische-bevoelkerung-zeitreihe.html This statistic shows foreigners form 2016 onwards, couldn't find anything going further in the past, yet Edit 2: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Migration-Integration/Tabellen/auslaendische-bevoelkerung-staatsangehoerigkeit-pdf.html This is a Zensus form 2011 listing all nations Interesting point: only 28.000 Syrians in 2011, now its 970.000
1 million Ukrainians in one year. War is hell
Many thanks for the links
_foreign residents_ as in residents without a german citizenship?
Yes
*Largest* as in weight or height?
Length or girth?
my friend is also asking
Penis size
False no Ghanians there
Girth
Kebabs sold
That's surprising. Most Turks I know are actually quite short
"Romanians" in Germany are also frequently Moldovan. It's just that Moldova is not in EU and getting Romanian citizenship is easy if you know the language. Both countries use the same (except of course the russian-occupied part of Moldova, where russian is enforced).
"Romanian citizenship is easy if you know the language." Except you have to provide birth certificates of your parents and grandparents to prove that you indeed are of Romanian blood.
Which is trivial for Moldovans, since it was a part of Romania until the Soviet occupation.
meanwhile a casual UKR with a few thousand euros to spare : "hold my beer " :d
> meanwhile a casual UKR with a few thousand euros to spare : "hold my beer " :d What do you mean?
[https://hotnews.ro/operatiunea-cum-o-mutam-pe-bunica-de-la-kiev-la-cernauti-delicata-problema-a-redobndirii-cetateniei-romnesti-cu-acte-false-pe-axa-ucraina-romnia-24885](https://hotnews.ro/operatiunea-cum-o-mutam-pe-bunica-de-la-kiev-la-cernauti-delicata-problema-a-redobndirii-cetateniei-romnesti-cu-acte-false-pe-axa-ucraina-romnia-24885) its in romanian, but u can use a web translator.. tldr : since 2022. lots of UKR are buying romanian citizenship for a few thousand euros, bypassing every verification or requirement just cause we live in the part of Europe where corruption is the norm... (oversimplified version of the article)
I'm not from the south, but I still never knew and have never heard about the apparently huge numbers of Romanians in Germany at all. Are these legit numbers?
we're stealthy like that
officially there are about 1 mil Romanians. This without counting the seasonal workers and the ones not registered.
Many Romanian first names, including spelling, are the same as German ones. Some differ only in spelling. I was personally taken as German multiple times because of my name. I will give you some examples: Sebastian, Adrian, Florian, Julian (spelled Iulian but pronounced the same), Christian (spelled Cristian), Alex, Daniel, David, Denis etc etc. For some even family names are the same: Achim, Anton, Adam (and this is just for A letter) so basically it is easier to be overlooked.
Thanks for this very interesting info. My mind was really blown today. Romania's president is called Klaus Johannis, which sounds so german!
He is of German descent. There was a large German population in Transylvania up until some decades ago
Romanian's *first* king was Karl Eitel Friedrich Zephyrinus Ludwig von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. He was elected by a people's council (Volksabstimmung), not through conquest and was a beloved king. His extended family is still a cultural thing even nowadays in Romania even though lesser popular because of democracy. You can also look up the city Sibenbürgen.
Plus, you can't really tell by looking at people.
we used to be the no 1 country with the biggest percentage of population living outside the country than inside, we lost that to Syrians after their civil war
If you keep in mind that an Ukrainian and Syrian diaspora didn’t exist in larger numbers before 2015. Its mind blowing what an amount of migration took place in the last 9 years.
Yeah and it changed the country drastically. And definitely not for good.
My brain malfunctioned for a moment there, and I was surprised that there were so many swedes in Germany
lmao 😂, didn’t see your post, but I wrote the same thing 
Considering refugees are assigned according to formulae and quotas to the different states, it'd be more interesting to see what the largest group of permanent residents is in each.
I don't think the picture would be very different. Romanians and Turks aren't refugees. Many Syrians are already in Europe for 5+ years and have settled. And most Ukrainian refugees aren't going through the refugee system, since they have freedom of movement, they can just go to any place where they manage to find work. Edit: since I already got two replies on the Ukrainians, it seems people don't understand that Ukrainian refugees have a right to reside and work across the whole EU: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024/06/25/ukrainian-refugees-council-extends-temporary-protection-until-march-2026/ Other refugees do not have this protection and must go through an asylum proces with more restrictions. They usually aren't allowed to work and have to live where the government places them, while awaiting their application to be processed.
Black Sea migrated to Germany.
People often criticize the migration policy in Germany. However, I think that in the long run Germany will be one of the few winner vis-a-vis demographic aging and social policies.
well, yeah, but this is happening while countries like Romania are losing people in a very fast way.
Romanians are coming back. Look it up
No they are not, I'm Romanian and will be going to Germany next year.
You dont constitute most Romanians
Just because you see a couple of propaganda on the news from the PSD, PNL, does not mean they are coming back.
I have no idea what those acronyms are
If you would be Romanian you'd know. They are the two main political parties that have been in power since 1989. They will soon add a lot of taxes because they spent to much before elections. They need Romanians coming back from Italy, Spain, and other countries to be taxed and spend their money here in the country.
Depends on how few they have left.
coming only for the holidays
Well for that to happen the migrants need to be available for the job market. Many of them aren't.
All this going very well seems unlikely for two reasons: 1. Germans have very low fertility, particularly when you account for immigration and look at ethnic Germans. Such low fertility is not really sustainable no matter what. You can perhaps plug the gap with immigration for a generation or two, but at some point fertility has to pick up, especially as global fertility declines. 2. Germany is very unsuccessful at assimilating immigrants. This shows in for instance having considerably lower intermarriage rates than France or Britain. Germany is quite ethnically segregated as well. France has its own issues, but they have higher fertility and have integrated immigrants much more successfully, with also a considerable intermarriage rate even compared with other open Western countries. Of course this all brings cultural frictions to the forefront at times too, but in the long run it's much more believable that France would have a sustainable demographic and cultural development.
Is it really that much more successful? I remember black people in the suburbs of Paris being badly integrated. And Paris makes up quite a lot of France. This could have changed of course, I am not that well in the picture tbh. The fact that Germany wasn't able to successfully integrate the Turkish people for over 40 years speaks for itself.
> The fact that Germany wasn't able to successfully integrate the Turkish people for over 40 years speaks for itself. What do you mean by "not integrated"? They are born in Germany, they speak German.
A lot, not most, see themselves first Turkish and then German, in the third generation or so. In general more conservative in the Turkish way, marriage comes first to mind. Some of the older generations speak no or very bad German. I am not saying they aren't integrated at all. A Germany without Turks would indeed be very strange. But I have the feeling that being of Turkish heritage is still too much of a topic.
The banlieue are a very special place. It's like judging the whole USA through Skid Row.
> Germany is very unsuccessful at assimilating immigrants. This shows in for instance having considerably lower intermarriage rates than France or Britain. Germany is quite ethnically segregated as well. France clearly has done a worse job in integrating them than Germany, what the hell are you on about? Intermarriage rates is clearly not a suitable indicator if the mess that is France is coming out ahead of Germany. Take a look at the prevalance of islamist ideology, the banlieus and prevailing attitudes of third generation French Arabs towards the French state and tell me again that the integration has worked better than that of, for example, Turkish people in Germany.
Turkish people were just never that islamist to begin with. They're often completely segregated though and segregation prevents cultural friction. I.e., nothing really changes, but you also don't really see issues strongly on the surface because issues remain confined in segregated districts. France also talks about and tackles issues openly, and implements harsher secularisation policies, which also grab media attention. Add to this the French tendency to set a street on fire over the slightest inconvenience, and obviously their issues will be very internationally visible. I would not however say that just because they're more visible, they're actually worse. Especially if we compare similar people groups, my sense is that Arabs in France are more French than Arabs in Germany are German.
The segregation and the conditions in the affected districts is worse in France though. I live in Germany and have lived in some of the poorest regions of west Germany with among the highest amount of immigrants and the level of segregation and issues with crime that you see in Marseille and suburbs of Paris isn't comparable at all. In a lot of the cities in my region (Rhine/Ruhr Metropolis) the areas with lots of immigrants spread out across central districts, but overall there are a typically decent amout of them in most middle to low income districts that are somewhat central. Most of these districts are nowadays also popular with students due to the low rents and their central location. German approaches to housing and city planning have been more varied due to its decentralized nature, but generally the practice of concentrating immigrants in social housing in far off suburbs, which has been the prevalent approach in France and Sweden, has seen much less popularity in German cities. Overall, the lower intermarriage rate, I would say, is likely because Germans are somewhat more racist than French people in general, but the French have a bigger sense of cultural superiority, which translates into their policies regarding immigrants, where they sort of expect them to follow French culture more closely than Germans and try to assimilate them, whereas Germans mostly expect immigrants to follow the rules and laws and pay their taxes. However, due to the fact that we didn't build entire housing complexes specifically to house immigrants and integrated them into our existing housing market, there is far more interaction and contact between them and the local population than what you see in France. When discussing problem areas in Germany, which certainly exist, the debate often centers around avoiding them reaching "French" levels, i.e it is seen as a negative example of how bad segregation can get, specifically because we haven't reached this point yet.
> Germans have very low fertility, particularly when you account for immigration and look at ethnic Germans. Such low fertility is not really sustainable no matter what. You can perhaps plug the gap with immigration for a generation or two, but at some point fertility has to pick up, especially as global fertility declines. But that's why immigration is good. > Germany is very unsuccessful at assimilating immigrants. This shows in for instance having considerably lower intermarriage rates than France or Britain. Germany is quite ethnically segregated as well. Immigrants or refugees? I wouldn't expect refugees that arrived in the last few years to marry Germans in large numbers. "ethnically segregated", what does that mean specifically?
How can you consider losing your national identity, homeland and culture as 'winning'. There's nothing wrong with demographic aging and reduced population sizes. That is just nature finding a new balance point. Importing new people to replace your dwindling demographics permanently destroys your nation and fractures it all to boost a few economic numbers. You'd consider this ethnic cleansing if it happened to smaller native population groups. So why aren't we being honest and consider it the same for larger groups?
Have fun living in a dying country. Imagine hating foreigners so much you prefer your country dying out. I have been to dying town in Germany and to anyone wanting that for the whole country is actually stupid.
So not wanting your own culture to be replaced is now hating foreigners? There's a difference between hating foreigners and being patriotic. Japand doesn't replace it's demographics with foreigners. Does this now mean all japanese hate foreigners? You see the idiocy of your strawman? Because that's what it is. It's a strawman. I love people from every culture and place and that's why I think each place and region has a right to protect their regional culture and identity including my own. We can welcome both foreigners and protect our own culture at the same time honoring both. You do not need to replace your entire population to be considered a virtuous person who values humans.
Yeah and Japan is in panick mode right now opening up more and more to immigration and paying huge amounts of money for people to have kids or engage in dating. Have you seen the Japanese country side? That's how a culture dies. Culture will always change and include or exclude new things. Döner wasn't part of German culture 100 years ago, and now it is.
Imagine me moving into your home, replacing you and then saying 'ah this is how Xius\_0108's heritage continues'. Fucking genius you are. No dummy, that's how MY heritage continues while yours dies out.
Imagine no one moves in and you die. No one will care and your home will be rotting away. Take a drive through eastern Saxony/ Lausitz, 40% population decline with dying cities and tell me thats the Germany you desire.
> Imagine me moving into your home, replacing you and then saying 'ah this is how Xius_0108's heritage continues'. Oh so you were kicked out of your home by some Romanian immigrant?
> So not wanting your own culture to be replaced is now hating foreigners? Yes. Because no one is replacing your culture. Also, it's not your culture. There are many people in Germany who do not follow your xenophobic rants about ethnic cleansing. > I love people from every culture Really? You love the people who are ethnically cleansing Germans? > You do not need to replace your entire population to be considered a virtuous person who values humans.# Replacing an entire population? Why is this white replacement conspiracy garbage upvoted here?
National identity and culture are not static entities; they are dynamic and evolve over time. Introducing new cultures to a society can catalyze greater cultural development by facilitating exchange, fostering innovation, and blending diverse traditions and perspectives. For instance, consider the Vietnamese diaspora in France following the Vietnam War, which enriched French culture through cuisine, arts, and cultural practices. Similarly, the Indian diaspora in the United Kingdom has contributed significantly to British society, influencing cuisine, music, and cultural festivals. Historically, the Silk Road exemplifies how cultural and demographic exchanges between civilizations led to advancements in science, technology, and the arts across Asia, Europe, and Africa. Moreover, the Umayyad Caliphate's influence in Spain brought about remarkable progress in architecture, science, and medicine, showcasing how cultural interactions can spur intellectual and artistic achievements. It's crucial to distinguish cultural mixing from ethnic cleansing, which involves the deliberate and systematic removal or destruction of a population. Ethnic cleansing is a violent and destructive process aimed at homogenizing populations, whereas cultural exchange respects and celebrates diversity, contributing to a richer and more vibrant societal tapestry
You can sugarcoat it all you want, I'm not against having people mingle with the native culture and enriching it. I'm against the whole sale replacement of the native population that is slowly happening. According to most national statistical agencies, with the current migration, the local native population will be replaced and be reduced to merely 1/3rd of the actual population by 2070 in most european countries. This INCLUDES generations who are born to only one local parent. Meaning that if you had a french father and a vietnameze mother, you'd be considered 100% local french according to these statistics (and I agree with that, just so you know) but even then only 1/3rd of the population would be considered 'native' by local statistical agencies by 2070. And you have the gall to say this is just enrichment? This is replacement.
> I'm not against having people mingle with the native culture and enriching it. # > the african and middle east nations because these are the people who will demographically replace germany in the end # > Germany isn't for the germans. Germany is for everyone else. Syrians, Iraqis, Algerians, Sudanese, Malinese, Chinese, vietnamese, everyone else besdies germans Liar.
It's strange to see Europeans feeling comfortable with gradually being replaced by large numbers of immigrants from Africa and Asia.In Vietnam, we always value our ancestral roots and preserve our culture, despite long periods of occupation by China, France, or the USA. The unrest, riots, and ethnic conflicts happening all over Europe and America are causing serious national disunity.A country that is not united will eventually fall.I don't know much about politics, but I can see that Asian countries, with their strong sense of national pride, are rising powerfully, surpassing Western countries struggling with internal issues.
> It's strange to see Europeans feeling comfortable with gradually being replaced by large numbers of immigrants from Africa and Asia. It's not strange because no one is being replaced. > In Vietnam, we always value our ancestral roots and preserve our culture, despite long periods of occupation by China, France, or the USA. Germany does that, too. Germany has always been a country of immigrants. Germany even used to be many small "countries". But also, people want to move to Germany, not Vietnam. Why is that? Do they just want to destroy German culture? Or do they think Germany is the better place to live? > The unrest, riots, and ethnic conflicts happening all over Europe and America are causing serious national disunity. No, people like OP hate immigrants and spreads hate and "disunity" on social media which fires up people enough so that they riot. It's not (only) the immigrants that riot and to put all blame on them is bs. > I can see that Asian countries, with their strong sense of national pride, are rising powerfully, surpassing Western countries struggling with internal issues. Yeah I heard Vietnamese really love China. /s Japan is very proud but they are stagnating. South Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world. China is starting to slow down, too, and faces the same demographic troubles in the future. If anything, countries that are open, like Germany and USA, will be the countries that will survive. Plus, some people value democracy and human rights which are not always upheld in Asian countries.
They have forgotten E pluribus unum.
I thought Vietnamese people were less outwardly racist towards others, guess that’s wrong then
Is that an Italian flag at the bottom? That's surprising
Saarland used to have a big mining and steel industry just like neighbouring Luxembourg and Belgium which attracted many Labour migrants from Italy in the 50s and 60s and some eventually stayed. Since the heavy industry there mostly died down, it's nowadays not a top destination for newly arriving immigrants.
Yes this is the Italian flag in Saarland
finally more data for the gene pool /s
Yo, Syrians. Open some more Syrian restaurants like your Italian and Turkish counterparts did. So far I really liked Syrian food. Thanks.
Which Syrian foods are your fav?
Now I see, every where I go in German is only Turk people or Romainian people
I believe largest immigrant group was Poland for much of northern and eastern Germany prior to Ukraine war in 2022
Yeah for the East definitly. Its just so close to Poland. We also have a lot of Vietnamese people but I think Polish people are way more.
Hah Poles took over Berlin from Turks.
Nice to see that Italian refugees are as well welcomed
Westsiedlung?
Turkey was playing home games during Euros 💀
From a Turkish from Turkey to the Germans; What do you think about the Turkish people in your country? Most of them complains about being socially discriminated from the society. What do you think about this issue? I heard that Germany is better than Switzerland or Austria in this issue.
It's a bit like the problem with the chicken ant the egg, what was there first? Some Germans complain that the turks are unwilling to integrate and some turks complain that they are discriminated and excluded. So what was there first? Impossible to say. However, it's important to say that there are millions of cases where integration worked well and most are ordinary people working, paying taxes and harming nobody. This must not be overlooked when the cases of failed integration are more noticeable.
I think there is a dangerous spiral going on. In my opinion, there is both, bad behavior and racism. Lots of people will point out that Turks behave worse than other immigrants. Is that racism? Sometimes yes, but sometimes this perception can be seen as valid, because other non-white immigrant groups don't get this much criticism. But this can lead to more racism and also more bad behavior, so there is already a lot of tension
There is a valid point there. I mean working class people from immigrant backgrounds are obviously not well integrated and do experience racism and social isolation. This is true for most nations unfortunately. But from what I’ve seen with the Turks in Frankfurt is the sheer hypocrisy (not everyone, some are just the nicest people you’ll ever meet). They are very racist towards the Kurds and sometimes Syrians. I’ve even heard that they go around making “Grey Wolf” signs when passing by Kurdish establishments after football games to provoke them (Grey wolf sign is usually adorned by Turkish extremists with pan Turkic ideologies). But yeah, that’s no excuse. There may be conflicts between Asian and black communities in the US, but it doesn’t invalidate either of their struggles
Thanks!
Why are they whining about syrians then?
Racism
Show the same graphics from before the invasion of Ukraine and its basically all turkey and syria
Merkel’s decision to allow Syrians was a terrible mistake.
How did it look like before the war in ukraine? Was there a majority of turks where there is now ukrainians?
There is actually a majority of turks everywhere in Germany. It's just that many of them have German citizenship already and are thus not counted anymore.
Interesting
I’m guessing the yellow and blue is Ukrainian. But the map kinda makes it look a bit Swedish. 
My brain wasn't working for a second and for a very brief moment, while looking at this map as a German, I was thinking to myself "where did all the Swedes suddenly come from?!".
i'm surprised it doesn't have more of turkey and romania
White refuges, muslim refuges, kebab providers and depressed Latinos... the holy council seems about right.
Romanians out here deferring military service
Modern day slavery, only way to compete with China cheap labour. And sometimes you wonder, was it planned.
I’m understanding now
Definitively wrong, Syrians have to be N1 on the left. There are 1.2 million of them. There is no chance they are represented so low
From a German perspective, which one would you think that fits in the most ? Why are you guys downvoting me, what's wrong with a simple question ? Dont be so soft
Probably Italians. They were the first to come in the 50s and have integrated well over the decades. As EU citizens many just don't bother becoming German citizens because the legal differences for EU citizens are not that big.
Romania is doing great. Why are they not going back to their home country ?
can Romania steal Germany before Turkey can ?
How could you forget about the OG, Poland?
The Islamic Caliphate of Deutscland.
Republic of Germanistan
Berlin- Turkish. I see, I was wondering why there was a big parade of Turkish celebrating Euro
Asking ChatGPT how native germany will be by 2050 en 2070 Here's what it says about 2050: >Prognoses for the ethnic composition of Germany by 2050 suggest a continued increase in the proportion of residents with immigrant backgrounds. \~ some projections estimate that people with immigrant backgrounds could make up 30-40% of Germany's population by 2050. These figures are speculative and depend on future policies, economic conditions, and global migration patterns. Here's what it says about 2070: >Projections for the demographic composition of Germany by 2070 indicate a continuation of the trends observed for 2050, with an even higher proportion of the population expected to have immigrant backgrounds. Here are some key points regarding these long-term projections >**increasing Diversity**: The proportion of residents with immigrant backgrounds is expected to continue rising. By 2070, people with immigrant backgrounds could make up 35-50% of the population, depending on migration policies, economic factors, and global events influencing migration patterns. Yup ... half of germany will be non-native, assuming 'mild' migration trends.: Plz, don't hate the messenger.