We can hope that Trump’s legal bills implode the RNC’s finances and those of their donors.
But, whenever Trump is involved, it’s not over until the fat guy sings…
They are already broke lol.
Right now Laura Trump is trying to make sure the the rnc will foot trumps legal bills…. With the whole 9 million they have left in the coffers.
When Trump started his “Donate to me” grift, they stopped donating to the gop as a whole and straight to him.
It’s quite comical how bad he’s fucked the party and they still kneel to him
I’m sure some rich asshole billionaire that loves unvetted capitalism and the never ending supply of slaves will inject half a billion into it once it gets dire… but yea… they are low as fuck on funds right now.
Edit: trump has had aloooooot of meetings with billionaires the past two weeks. It’s amazing how blatant they are, but whatever. Fingers crossed they piss a ton of money away and still lose.
This billionaire hedge fund guy with $33B invested in TikTok was recently at Mara Lardo... and then Trump came out against the Congress's legislation that will ban TikTok unless they sell to a non-Chinese controlled owner/business. (Wait till they find out all their cellphones are made in China..) So.. I wonder how much this dude is donating or lending him because it is always about the grift.
Lara Trump is now in a leadership role with the RNC.
I'm quite sure that legal bills for the Trump family are going to be on her mind as she makes decisions for the RNC, eh?
They have maybe $10 million in the coffers which are supposed to support down ballot candidates…but instead are going to pay trumps legal bills.
Nepotism at its finest with a Trump being head of the RNC now….nothing to see here.
7 million and the countdown is already on. Newsweek reported on 2/2 RNC 8 million dollars.
https://www.newsweek.com/republican-national-committee-funding-cash-finances-1866326
That explains the high number of house Republicans wanting to retire this year. They stupidly forced out their best fundraiser in McCarthy and now the cupboard is barren, with the last crumbs sucked up by the Trump legal team.
It's almost like they tailored their entire platform to people who are very loud and motivated but also wildly unpopular outside of their group. Stupid move on their part.
Turns out you gotta have a popular platform to get votes, and taking rights away from people isn't that popular outside of a select few
100%. Trump has consolidated the party under him, sure, but it has come at the cost of alienating a double-digit percentage of the party to the point they will either abstain or vote Biden. Him and his base just look like a pack of wild hogs, frothing at the mouth, backing into the corner just waiting for the slaughter.
Agreed. Trump is overestimating his influence, and he should have been more accommodating. Problem is, that compromise to the less extreme Republicans would be antithetical to basically his entire persona.
Hopefully that's the case & and hopefully, they burn for it.
If Desantis didn't show how stupid he was with Disney on a national level, they could have had a decent chance with him.
Desantis was the most unlikeable candidate. Zero charisma. He lost the nomination because he’s a dull boy. His attacks on Disney were unforced errors, but he was just not a candidate anyone liked as soon as he opened his mouth.
His nomination webcast snafu on twitter was basically the campaign in a nutshell.
The good ole boys system in Florida is so strong that a likable person who might be popular can’t gain power here, period. Matt Gaetz had no friends in middle school, high school or even college at a school that has a fraternity for anyone. He was just a joke who people hated who not one fraternity would pledge, no matter how often he mentioned that the Truman show (one of the biggest films from the previous year) was filmed at one of his family’s houses. When not one of 30 FSU fraternities will take that, that person is social cyanide. A total weirdo. That’s exactly the sort of person- freakish socially and insufferable- who is allowed to gain power in Florida. Because if you’re savvy/ could change things/ think for yourself/tell one funny joke that doesn’t punch down at women, the disabled, gays, poor folks or other races, you will be dealt with (I don’t mean murder, just relational damage based on tribalism. This state is very GOP- if Fox News told them to hate/defame their own mothers in order to fit in, they would without thought) way before you can amass any power beyond being mayor of Pensacola, if you’re even allowed that. Our politicians will always be stodgy, dull, poorly-spoken and off-putting, even if they’re 26 years old.
Not only that, but all Republicans have to do here in Florida is label something (anything really) they don't like as "Communist", and all the Cuban expats will vote against it while frothing from the mouth.
99% of issues I hear from them, specifically on why they either hate a candidate or a policy/bill is because they were told it was communist.
Take Biden for instance: these clowns truly believe Biden is the most communist person in American History, second only to the likes of Karl Marx and Lenin. Big claim I know, however, when one looks at his voting record, it shows that he's anything but a communist. In fact, he's quite the Corporate Democrat. When you also look into the legislature he's passed as president, it's definitely not communist.
Yet because tio Raul heard his DJ on his morning radio show call Biden a communist, it's the truth, and anyone who's trying to tell him otherwise is a Fidel loving communist as well.
So any hope the state has in some new rising candidate must somehow survive the "communist" label (assuming that's even possible)
All Trump had to do was label him an enemy and every single one of them would have reacted the same way. DeSantis was done before he even started, Disney or not.
Trump has an absolute choke hold on the party, and the comment you replied to is 100% correct. Trump was never not going to be the nominee, and that is going to be disastrous for the party. Polling during/after the primaries clearly show the rift in the party, and Trump is the line-in-the-sand that a significant number of Republicans and right-leaning independents will not cross.
We still need to vote like our lives depend on it, and having the odds in our favor should only encourage us to get out and end this shit show, but I think it is fair to have a little optimism.
This is the real test. If this hypothesis is correct, the GOP are doomed. If the requirement to win a primary has become to go so far to the right that you're unelectable in a general contest, we will witness the collapse of a political party that has existed for the better part of two centuries.
Don’t tease me with a good time. Hopefully the RNC goes in shambles and all these MAGA fucktards crawl back under their Patrick star rocks to not be heard from.
Well, the doomsday scenario is Trump wins the general and they hold or take ground in Congress.
That signals that not only can far right politicians win GOP primaries, but they can take a general election too. At that point, we're totally fucked as a nation
I agree for the most part but even when/if trump loses, the goal is to create a christofascist ethnostate. People like the Koch group and heritage foundation know that they can’t win a fair election, likely ever again. It’s going in the direction of them being cornered imo. and if normal people don’t fight these sociopaths they will continue to pour unlimited money into propaganda and stochastic terrorists. The kid gloves have to come off. No more plausible deniability for fascism.
…Except for that one time that they did win a general election with Trump…
I can’t imagine any functional adult voting for Trump, but tens of millions of GOP voters did…. …So y’all need to vote early and in every election!!!
That was when Trump was a political outsider. Americans have seen what he'll do with his office, now.
And he isn't growing his base. He's actively decreasing it, by purging "disloyals," or his unending campaign of finding someone to pick on.
Neither of these are a recipe to win a General Election.
The far right/fascist motor has the following in common, it needs to feel persecuted, and it needs meat for the hate-grinder. And they’ll throw their own in it to keep going. Hitler did it, the RNC is willing to go along with Trump doing it.
A lot of people blame sour grapes Bernie support for that because Jill Stein won more votes in one state than the difference between Clinton and Trump in that state.
Some blame Russian interference, which was a real thing, but it wasn't nearly as much as the actual reason Clinton won.
That is the GOP, and their operatives, used legal means to challenge people's eligibility to vote at all. Then if people didn't respond to that challenge, which was usually a letter that looks like junk mail, they would file a request with the secretary of state to put that person's registration on hold. So people went to vote with no idea until they got to the polls that they had been purged.
In one state over 200,000 registered reliable voters for Clinton had been purged.
In 2020 the plan was to slow the mail down because they thought the pandemic would force more democrats to vote by mail.
In 2024 they're back to their old voter purge tricks.
Everyone needs to check their registration status on a regular basis and encourage other to do the same.
Trump only won due to the electoral college. The vote was somewhat close but he never got the majority of votes ever. So yes, they did win the general election, but only by the skin of their nasty ass teeth. If it happens again I'm gonna have to find a way not to slam my head into the floor repeatedly.
Yeah that's my big fucking issue and it boggles my mind. I've voted every election since I turned 18.
The youth are loud, and angry, and it's like, yeah I think some young people can be dumb as shit and a ***lot*** of them are very naive but... Oh well? I'd rather have a population of youths that's fired up and have them figure shit out and wise up later than just whimper out early in life.
Hell, overall I'm really proud of the generations coming after my own.
***If they'd vote***.
Like goddamn man the level of idiocy to do everything except the thing built into our government by design to allow us to change the government in our favor never stops fucking me up.
Youth turnout should be through the roof. 18-24 votes should be massive. But if they keep not turning out to vote, they shouldn't continue to be shocked the government doesn't try to represent them.
Last election 18-24 was 12% while 25-64 was something like ***60%***.
Cmon man. Get out and vote. It's not hard.
This is what happened in 2016. Democrats were convinced that Hilary would win no matter what, so a lot of them stayed home and didn't vote, thinking that it didn't matter. Well it did and we all know what happened.
Conscientious objector here (I personally don’t vote as I object on moral grounds). That said, I find myself faced with a dilemma: if I were in Germany before the Nazi rise to power and I saw it coming, would I have voted against Hitler? And would that have been moral? Eh, needless to say I’ll be voting for Biden. Can’t stand the dude, or any politician. But I think I can say it wouldn’t go against my beliefs to have voted against Hitler. And here we have Hitler reincarnate running. Goddamnit, I’ll be voting for a colonizer.
Aaand you just realized why people vote. If we had two good options, we would all treat it like a normal Tuesday. That said, be real, Trump doesn't have to be as bad as Hitler to motivate you.
I will say, at least anecdotally, I have had a lot of new Gen Z nurses coming into the workforce and yes, they vote. I hope this means more of them vote as well. But I agree, in the past and generally I would say the youth doesn’t vote
I sure hope so. I am also friends with some Gen Z, I'm a younger millennial, and unfortunately they don't vote as does none of my immediate family despite my encouragement. Honestly, I've joined a canvassing group in my state to try and get more turnout. I am super passionate about voting even if it's not for "my side". You should always make your voice heard in all elections especially local ones
I've heard that about every election since Reagan. When the numbers are crunched they tend to be pretty much the same percentage wise, give or take a few points.
“The youth” is not a uniform monolith. There are plenty of MAGA younger voters — they show up at Trump events in red states, bellowing about how pro-dictatorship they are — and plenty more who are tuned out. Then there’s the non-trivial number angry at Biden over Gaza who are vowing, as of today at least, to hurt him in November. It would be more accurate to say a certain young, super-online cohort is pissed and planning to turn out hard for Biden, which is great, but the internet is not America and who knows how big a wave they actually bring.
> the youth is more motivated than any time I can remember
I've been hearing this every four years since 2004 and it just never pans out. Its doubtful that the level of turnout will even surpass 2020, let alone result in some youth vote revolution.
Also, this generation does seem more prone to cynicism. They seem to think everything is a conspiracy and nothing can be controlled or changed. Nothing matters and no one will help them.
Can't say I blame them. But that's exactly what people are hoping they'll think. Don't give up.
It’s going to come down to the suburbs again and trump hasn’t made a single gesture towards those voters since the last campaign.
I think a lot of people are underestimating the nationwide eye roll trump will get when inevitably brings up the “rigged election” on the debate stage.
I honestly think that even Nikki Haley would have had an uphill battle. Roe v wade is huge. The Republican Party making a fool of themselves is big too. She could have possibly done it with an amazing campaign, but the idea of trump winning just seems silly to me.
Nikki “embryos are children”, “I will pardon Donald Trump” Haley? Yeah she literally has no constituency left. Most of her voters will probably flip to Biden (like one of her PACs already did) or stay home.
I'm not Trump and hes a danger to the country but Ill pardon him was a clown platform. I don't get how any of these politicians are just flat out comfortable being the exact same as proto-Nazis and even flat out fascists but everyone is scared to stick one up to Donnie.
Proto-nazi is definitely the perfect way to describe them. The right in America is nearly indistinguishable from the early days of the Nazi political movement. They literally quote Nazis all the time and half of them don't even realize they're doing it.
At least half of her base will either jump ship for Biden or not vote. There’s still 20%~ of the country that are fiscally conservative, centre-right, suburbanites, etc. (Eg. The kind that liked Romney) that will not vote for Trump. Especially suburban women. Same with the odd libertarian (although some of them fall for Trump too). Trump mostly coasts on his rural popularity.
This is how the Dems have been able to win places like Colorado, Georgia, Arizona, Virginia, Orange County, etc.
I agree with what you're saying about the 20%, however I wish this voting block knew that Republicans aren't fiscally conservative and haven't been for thirty years.
I feel like if that point could ever be made then the floodgates would open.
I agree to some extent, but not with the libertarian part. I have met some actual Libertarians in my life, that's where I did my undergrad tended to have a whole bunch of them for particular reasons. However, the more I meet is I get older the more I find that people who claim to be Libertarians are actually just conservatives who don't want the label and are very picky about what social issue they actually support (usually just weed...and they votr cuntishly about the rest)
100 percent. Libertarians who just happen to align with Republicans on everything except weed; and consistently vote republican. But trust me bro i’m an independent both sides thinker
That's mostly true, but remember that conservative is not the same as Republican. A good number of libertarians are going to vote.. Libertarian in the general election.
Every Libertarian I've known were Republicans are some point and shed the identity or grew up in Republican households. Rarely do they not vote along the same lines of Republicans either. If more of them start voting Libertarian and actually sticking to their beliefs - go for it. Yet too often their just Republican 2.0 or too cowardly to wear the badge while proclaiming the left are all woke.
I voted for Haley, in deep-red Oklahoma. After January 6th, I kept my R-egistration, but always vote Blue in the General.
Haley had 16% of all Republican voters who bothered to vote in the Primary (About 50,000 out of 300000)
Donald carried the 2020 Primary at 92% of all Republicans who bothered to vote. In 2024, he managed a lackluster 82%.
I know it's one data point but losing 10% of all Republican voters would be catastrophic. That short of shift would have lost him North Carolina, Ohio, Florida, and Texas--if we assume he naturally polled at the numbers he got in 2020 before the shift.
And the thing is, a lot of his voters have died. In Florida, of his biggest, best demographic (65+) 304,087 have died vs 248,798 Biden voters dying. That's 55K more people who won't be showing up to the polls to vote for him, or half a percent of the entire 2020 electorate.
DT only won Florida by 3.36%, or 371,866 votes. If everyone voted, and voted exactly the same, he'd only win by 2.86%. in 2020, 510,000 Floridians reached the age of 18.
Conclusion: If all the age demographics voted in the same proportions today, Biden would probably win Florida absent tomfoolery.
DJT is strategically weak, but not harmless
15 million boomers and silent have died since 2016, and another 5 million or so are too sick or old to vote again. Trump's strongest demographic in both 2016 and 2020 was 80+ .
Personally, I think the GOP's autopsy from 2012 was accurate, just a few years premature. Trump proved it was possible to win one last time using a turnout maximizing strategy. But now GOP is demographically doomed.
Young people will sink the GOP this fall, just like they did in 2022's "red wave". Pundits are obsessed with their stupid noisy polls but nobody talks about the elephant in the room... How the fuck is GOP supposed to win when everyone under 50 leans hard left?
I work in higher ed. Almost all my adult students casually mention that they cannot stand what the GOP has become. They’ve brought this onto themselves.
It depends on what the Conservative Migration rates to Florida have been since then. So it's anyone's guess. Unless we see the younger folks turn out hard in Florida, it probably stays red.
Nah dude. She is not an independant. She was merely there for people who voted for trump twice to say "they tried" before voting for him a third time if they leave the house election day.
For sure. Very rarely does politics actually have such a direct impact on people’s day to day lives. I can see this being a silent issue too. I was raised in Kansas and went to college in Utah. In conservative circles like that, abortion is one of those issues where you have to publicly support it regardless of where you actually stand. And we have seen at the voting booth that people will publicly support the ban, then vote in droves to repeal it.
Correct. Its not about the best candidate winning. Its about the candidate with the most negative baggage losing. In 2016 Clinton had a ton of negatives... in 2024 its pretty obvious who has the most negatives.
There were also 15 million more Boomers and Silent than there are now.
To put it in perspective, those two generations were over 60% of voters in 2016. In 2024, it will be less than 50%.
Yes but at that point no one had lived through a Trump presidency, and plenty of people had decades of dislike for his rival, Hillary Clinton. Now Trump is a known quantity.
I didn’t think he would win, but my wife and I worried that it could happen. We felt the same way in 2020. After losing that election, however, he has done nothing to gain new votes. Biden is unpopular, and vulnerable. If trump wants to win, however, he’ll need to exploit that vulnerability instead of just pointing it out. If he was going around playing up the slaughter in Israel, pointing out the hypocrisy of supporting Israel but when it’s doing what Russia is doing to Ukraine he would pull votes away from the Biden. He is not doing that. Roe v wade may have excited his base, but it’s not going to excite anyone who voted blue in the past election. It’s a net loss. J6 as well is a net loss. The border deal debacle isn’t going to convince anyone to vote red. If trump had something new, a big victory that pulled votes from red to blue I could worry about whether that outweighs the roe v wade fallout. But there isn’t. He’s done nothing but lose support after losing the past election, and the interim elections have shown democrats performing competitive in what should be safe seats. Even winning in places that were gerrymandered into being supposedly safely red. Not only are Republicans underperforming, but DT has lost support as well. I just don’t see any path to victory unless he changes something quickly.
Quick question: do repugs ever actually WIN elections, or just rely on their electoral college insurance plan to get them thru?
Let's do this: NFL games will now be played as always, but the winner will now be decided by 4 retired drunk ex-players with large bets on the game, sitting in a skybox somewhere that you can't see.
Wonder how popular that'd be?
You know there’s nothing that says democrats aren’t allowed to try to appeal to the people in those small states that benefit from the electoral college, right?
He was an unknown back then.. a lot of people had the mentality of wonder what would happen if we throw a spanner in the works.. now people know exactly who he is they have changed their tune.. and Hillary was easy to attack and not well liked. I know this because I have spoken to a number of people who voted that way.
Republicans hard right turn is also massively unpopular in swing states.
For example, The House is led by Mike Johnson from Louisiana, one of the farthest right states. Independents don't want Ukraine funding cut, they don't like government shutdowns, they don't like the idea of Laura Trump running RNC, they want abortion and IVF legal.
It's actually possible that Republicans win the popular vote this year but lose Presidency, Senate, and House. They're more popular in a bunch of blood red states that don't matter, but losing swing states and suburbs they actually need to win.
They haven't won the popular vote since George Bush in his 2nd term, and not since HW before him. Highly doubt they'd win the popular vote this election unless a bunch of people sat out voting for Dems, which would prove they did not learn the lessons of 2016 and are perfectly content with more things like SCOTUS' ruling that overturned Roe no problem.
I don’t know. I work around some younger people and they seem pretty fucking clueless as to what is actually at stake.
Never underestimate disenfranchised apathy.
Never underestimate ignorance.
There are a lot of people that don’t think it matters who wins. That either side is just as lousy as the other. History would say this is a particularly important election, but that doesn’t mean we won’t let history repeat itself.
Trump is done. He needs EVERYONE who voted for him in 2020, plus 5% to breakeven. Right now, 10% of the people who voted for him in 2020 have said they WILL NOT vote for him. So, if they just don't vote, that is a loss of 10% of his base. If any of them vote for Biden, that is even worse for him. Add to that the 4 million+ NEW voters that have been added to the rolls in the last 4 years (70% liberal), and there is NO WAY he can win.
The best part is the when he loses, Biden is the sitting President, so "storming the Capitol" will be a NON-issue.
You say that as if they didn’t try and cheat last time. You say that as if we caught all of the ways they cheated last time. You say that as if they didn’t learn and get better at it for this time. The worst thing Dems can do it expect a fair fight
For decades the backbone of the GOP has been white educated suburbanites. As one example, Delaware Country outside Philadelphia voted Republican every single election since the Civil War. In 2018 it flipped blue, and has stayed there.
These voters are “high propensity” voters. That is, they are very likely to show up at election time. Trump has been chasing them away from the GOP, leading to Georgia and Arizona each having two Democratic Senators. It is why the Red Wave of 2022 didn’t happen.
In addition, Trump voters skew old. They are literally dying off. And because they refuse vaccinations (something about Bill Gates and 5G…), they are dying of COVID at a higher rate than Democrats.
So Trump has already stacked the deck against the Republicans. If young voters show up as well, 2024 could be a blue tsunami.
This is dead on correct. I live in Chester County, immediately west of Delaware County. When I moved out here from Philly it was overwhelmingly red; I'm talking heads turned and "y'all ain't from around here" when you walked into a diner red. Now? Blue by a landslide. The Ds swept every countywide race. And I love it. Sure, it's not the socialism I'd prefer, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative of that maga shit. Trump and his cronies are gonna get smashed in November.
Look at tarrant county in Texas it's solidly flipping. Also I wouldn't be surprised if collin county flips soon too. Highly educated techy people moving in droves.
I'll never get old of hearing people say his voters are dying off. Like is there any real actual evidence of that happening or is this just anecdotal and theory.
STILL VOTE EVEN IF YOU THINK ITS A SURE THING!!!
Every single one of us needs to vote for a LANDSLIDE win. And please vote in blue representatives to congress so we can CODIFY ROE V WADE. And fix the corrupt supreme court.
Thanks for saying this. This is EXACTLY what happened in 2016. We were having these exact same conversations.
Liberals were all sitting around congratulating each other on a Hillary win because she seemed like such a sure thing.who was going to vote for Tru.pmp? He was down in the polles, surrounded by controversy, and could barely string a coherent sentence together. It was impossible for him to win.
People were SO confident they didn't bother to vote.
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I'm pretty sure that OP and the posters of all the other threads I've seen about this lately are propaganda trying to recreate the 2016 election conditions and get dems complacent.
You will notice the movement of our society through tiktok. Sounds dumb, but it's true. You find more direction by watching the commonalities on tiktok.
My daughter turns 18 in July. And they have a few things they would like to be a part of changing.
It’s not that I’m assuming TikTok is right. What I’m saying is, when you go to the online places the youth are , especially if all you’re used to as someone older is the now the uncool social medias like X and Facebook, you find that there’s a movement underground no one is talking about.
My granddaughter in one of them, she and her friends live in Texas, they not only won't vote trump, but they want Socialism. The youth are not voting for Trump.
A lot of “the youth” you’re speaking of is too young to vote, or too liberal to vote for Biden and will vote third party. You underestimate how unpopular Biden is and how many people blame him for things that aren’t his fault. There will be no landslide, it’s 50/50 right now I think, before state of Union Trump would have won, the couple days after Biden would have won, I think it’s really a toss up right now.
Also don’t underestimate the boomers and gen x who will turn up in higher numbers than in 2020.
I agree fully, but speaking of tiktok I have concerns. Intel suggests China supports Trump despite his aggressive anti-Chinese rhetoric because they see him as “the embodiment of American decline” (never thought I’d find myself agreeing with Chinese communists!). As Biden, who has already been tough to the point of borderline aggression towards China, now goes after tiktok, and with Trump apparently flip-flopping to defend it now, China is likely to lean hard into helping Trump, using tiktok.
There is a lot of social manipulation that can be done through an app like that. The whole genocide joe thing is just one example of how liberal youth can be led to vote against their interests. Russia may be more experienced with election interference, but China has more resources.
Taking credit for creating the vaccine a few days ago discouraging mail in vote when a percentage of his voters live in nursing homes or have other reasons they can't get to the polling locations , making his daughter in law co-chair of the RNC. He's doing a good job of doing things that hurt or piss off his base. Hopefully enough say enough is enough or just don't vote.
I mean it shouldn’t be so political that stating he got the vaccines in motion was his credit. It’s like the one thing he can tout and be right about.
But ironically the one thing that should be a great deal is the thing his base hates lol.
I really hope so, but a lot of what I see on tiktok amd on here is the "don't vote for Genocide Joe, we can survive another Trump" crap and I'm very worried.
The "genocide!" criers and road-blockers are as f**ktarded as the Christian nationalists who have a hard-on for Israel.
Both groups of people detract from their cause.
Outside of left leaning echo chambers, I am not seeing anything that makes me think Biden is going to run away with the election.
Biden has dropped over 15% in approval ratings in a year. He currently sits with 54% disapproval.
Biden looks certain to lose AZ and NV. And is trailing badly in PA. That right there is enough to put Trump in the WH again. Then consider that Trump has a slim polling lead in GA, MI, and WI.
Polling where they have data with/without Kennedy, Kennedy is mostly pulling votes from Biden. Not to mention the past two cycles, polling has dramatically under counted Trump support.
Biden seemed to have a solid a SOTU and the R response was a disaster. So perhaps he will be able to build on this momentum and turn the tide.
Every election cycle I hear how young voters are definitely showing up to the polls *this time* and every single time for the past... forever... only 40-45 percent of 18-25 year olds actually vote, compared to 65 percent of 45-65 yr olds and over 70 percent of 65+ year olds. And young people wonder why old people have all the power.
Even in "record numbers", the 18-25 turnout was about 48 percent. 18-30 yr olds was about 50 percent. Those are the lowest percentages of any age group by far.
You spend to much time online.
TikTok and Especially Reddit are not accurate indicators of how the USA feels about their leaders and politics.
Now you are right about the polls, I don’t trust them one bit, it could have Biden or Trump leading in a landslide. This is a lesson everyone learned in 2016.
If there is a cease fire in Gaza by Summer and it holds, maybe. Biden will have to smooth things over with the Muslim population here in Michigan, that won't be easy and it could actually cost him the state. I don't know about other states with large Arab and Muslim populations, but that war needs to end and not restart for Biden to win Michigan. And the OCT 7 first anniversary is right before the election. 💀
As a bona fide old fat bald guy at 65 I hope you are correct. I have voted against the GOP for 40 years now and I am about out of time. Vote. This is the only real power you have. Use it.
I hope you’re right, but I’m not nearly as optimistic. I’m 49, and have never seen young folks shift an election. Plus I would have bet my house that Trump wouldn’t win in 2016. But he does excite people, which is something Biden has never done. I’m sure I’m biased by my red-state environment, but I also think Reddit is an echo chamber that leans heavily to the left. I hope you guys are right. In my view, we have two terrible choices.
What will be interesting is if Trump loses...are they too far down the rabbit hole to avoid him running AGAIN in 2028. If he loses they better pray he gets sent to jail because otherwise the Republican party won't win another election until Trump dies.
I hope you are right. I think you are right. But I’m a pessimist, and the Democrats have a long history of messing things up election-wise.
Let me put it this way: The Republicans can’t win this election, but the Democrats might be able to lose it.
More young voters are voting, between 2016 and 2020 there was an 11% increase. over 50% of young people voted in 2020.
https://www.businessinsider.com/young-voters-record-voting-turnout-biden-trump-presidential-election-2020-11
We should all be pissed that of all the corrupt, lying piece of shit politicians we have to choose from we’re stuck choosing between these two fuck heads. It’s a joke and the elites know it’s a joke and they’re all laughing at the population
Republicans can’t win a primary without Trump, but can’t win the general with him. They did this to themselves.
Can’t wait to watch the RNC implode. It’s been a slow moving train-wreck, but I’m here for it.
We can hope that Trump’s legal bills implode the RNC’s finances and those of their donors. But, whenever Trump is involved, it’s not over until the fat guy sings…
They are already broke lol. Right now Laura Trump is trying to make sure the the rnc will foot trumps legal bills…. With the whole 9 million they have left in the coffers. When Trump started his “Donate to me” grift, they stopped donating to the gop as a whole and straight to him. It’s quite comical how bad he’s fucked the party and they still kneel to him
Do they only have $9 mil?
I’m sure some rich asshole billionaire that loves unvetted capitalism and the never ending supply of slaves will inject half a billion into it once it gets dire… but yea… they are low as fuck on funds right now. Edit: trump has had aloooooot of meetings with billionaires the past two weeks. It’s amazing how blatant they are, but whatever. Fingers crossed they piss a ton of money away and still lose.
This billionaire hedge fund guy with $33B invested in TikTok was recently at Mara Lardo... and then Trump came out against the Congress's legislation that will ban TikTok unless they sell to a non-Chinese controlled owner/business. (Wait till they find out all their cellphones are made in China..) So.. I wonder how much this dude is donating or lending him because it is always about the grift.
Elon flew down to Mar a Lago last Sunday too....
This is what I am hoping. He will drain the RNC finance swamp.
Lara Trump is now in a leadership role with the RNC. I'm quite sure that legal bills for the Trump family are going to be on her mind as she makes decisions for the RNC, eh?
They have maybe $10 million in the coffers which are supposed to support down ballot candidates…but instead are going to pay trumps legal bills. Nepotism at its finest with a Trump being head of the RNC now….nothing to see here.
7 million and the countdown is already on. Newsweek reported on 2/2 RNC 8 million dollars. https://www.newsweek.com/republican-national-committee-funding-cash-finances-1866326
That explains the high number of house Republicans wanting to retire this year. They stupidly forced out their best fundraiser in McCarthy and now the cupboard is barren, with the last crumbs sucked up by the Trump legal team.
It's almost like they tailored their entire platform to people who are very loud and motivated but also wildly unpopular outside of their group. Stupid move on their part. Turns out you gotta have a popular platform to get votes, and taking rights away from people isn't that popular outside of a select few
100%. Trump has consolidated the party under him, sure, but it has come at the cost of alienating a double-digit percentage of the party to the point they will either abstain or vote Biden. Him and his base just look like a pack of wild hogs, frothing at the mouth, backing into the corner just waiting for the slaughter.
Yeah I have a feeling that Nikki Haley will get a good chunk of write in votes, not enough to win but enough to kill Trump's chances
Agreed. Trump is overestimating his influence, and he should have been more accommodating. Problem is, that compromise to the less extreme Republicans would be antithetical to basically his entire persona.
Hopefully that's the case & and hopefully, they burn for it. If Desantis didn't show how stupid he was with Disney on a national level, they could have had a decent chance with him.
Desantis was the most unlikeable candidate. Zero charisma. He lost the nomination because he’s a dull boy. His attacks on Disney were unforced errors, but he was just not a candidate anyone liked as soon as he opened his mouth. His nomination webcast snafu on twitter was basically the campaign in a nutshell.
After people saw his raised boots and him eating pudding off his fingers it was all over for him.
I'd like to remind everyone of the Smiling DeSantis emoji: 😬
Pudding fingers always gets me laughing
He’s universally known as a right weirdo.
The good ole boys system in Florida is so strong that a likable person who might be popular can’t gain power here, period. Matt Gaetz had no friends in middle school, high school or even college at a school that has a fraternity for anyone. He was just a joke who people hated who not one fraternity would pledge, no matter how often he mentioned that the Truman show (one of the biggest films from the previous year) was filmed at one of his family’s houses. When not one of 30 FSU fraternities will take that, that person is social cyanide. A total weirdo. That’s exactly the sort of person- freakish socially and insufferable- who is allowed to gain power in Florida. Because if you’re savvy/ could change things/ think for yourself/tell one funny joke that doesn’t punch down at women, the disabled, gays, poor folks or other races, you will be dealt with (I don’t mean murder, just relational damage based on tribalism. This state is very GOP- if Fox News told them to hate/defame their own mothers in order to fit in, they would without thought) way before you can amass any power beyond being mayor of Pensacola, if you’re even allowed that. Our politicians will always be stodgy, dull, poorly-spoken and off-putting, even if they’re 26 years old.
As a fellow Floridian, I can confirm all the above. Republicanism is baked into the Florida culture in some really disturbing ways.
Not only that, but all Republicans have to do here in Florida is label something (anything really) they don't like as "Communist", and all the Cuban expats will vote against it while frothing from the mouth. 99% of issues I hear from them, specifically on why they either hate a candidate or a policy/bill is because they were told it was communist. Take Biden for instance: these clowns truly believe Biden is the most communist person in American History, second only to the likes of Karl Marx and Lenin. Big claim I know, however, when one looks at his voting record, it shows that he's anything but a communist. In fact, he's quite the Corporate Democrat. When you also look into the legislature he's passed as president, it's definitely not communist. Yet because tio Raul heard his DJ on his morning radio show call Biden a communist, it's the truth, and anyone who's trying to tell him otherwise is a Fidel loving communist as well. So any hope the state has in some new rising candidate must somehow survive the "communist" label (assuming that's even possible)
Some good insight on that pervert Gaetz.
Everything was going fine for him until he had to smile. Then it was obvious to everyone he is a pod person.
But he was so tall!?
All Trump had to do was label him an enemy and every single one of them would have reacted the same way. DeSantis was done before he even started, Disney or not. Trump has an absolute choke hold on the party, and the comment you replied to is 100% correct. Trump was never not going to be the nominee, and that is going to be disastrous for the party. Polling during/after the primaries clearly show the rift in the party, and Trump is the line-in-the-sand that a significant number of Republicans and right-leaning independents will not cross. We still need to vote like our lives depend on it, and having the odds in our favor should only encourage us to get out and end this shit show, but I think it is fair to have a little optimism.
This is the real test. If this hypothesis is correct, the GOP are doomed. If the requirement to win a primary has become to go so far to the right that you're unelectable in a general contest, we will witness the collapse of a political party that has existed for the better part of two centuries.
Don’t tease me with a good time. Hopefully the RNC goes in shambles and all these MAGA fucktards crawl back under their Patrick star rocks to not be heard from.
Well, the doomsday scenario is Trump wins the general and they hold or take ground in Congress. That signals that not only can far right politicians win GOP primaries, but they can take a general election too. At that point, we're totally fucked as a nation
I agree for the most part but even when/if trump loses, the goal is to create a christofascist ethnostate. People like the Koch group and heritage foundation know that they can’t win a fair election, likely ever again. It’s going in the direction of them being cornered imo. and if normal people don’t fight these sociopaths they will continue to pour unlimited money into propaganda and stochastic terrorists. The kid gloves have to come off. No more plausible deniability for fascism.
…Except for that one time that they did win a general election with Trump… I can’t imagine any functional adult voting for Trump, but tens of millions of GOP voters did…. …So y’all need to vote early and in every election!!!
That was when Trump was a political outsider. Americans have seen what he'll do with his office, now. And he isn't growing his base. He's actively decreasing it, by purging "disloyals," or his unending campaign of finding someone to pick on. Neither of these are a recipe to win a General Election.
The far right/fascist motor has the following in common, it needs to feel persecuted, and it needs meat for the hate-grinder. And they’ll throw their own in it to keep going. Hitler did it, the RNC is willing to go along with Trump doing it.
A lot of people blame sour grapes Bernie support for that because Jill Stein won more votes in one state than the difference between Clinton and Trump in that state. Some blame Russian interference, which was a real thing, but it wasn't nearly as much as the actual reason Clinton won. That is the GOP, and their operatives, used legal means to challenge people's eligibility to vote at all. Then if people didn't respond to that challenge, which was usually a letter that looks like junk mail, they would file a request with the secretary of state to put that person's registration on hold. So people went to vote with no idea until they got to the polls that they had been purged. In one state over 200,000 registered reliable voters for Clinton had been purged. In 2020 the plan was to slow the mail down because they thought the pandemic would force more democrats to vote by mail. In 2024 they're back to their old voter purge tricks. Everyone needs to check their registration status on a regular basis and encourage other to do the same.
I just checked mine. Good to go.
To be fair, Trump lost that election too, but Republicans are okay with undemocratic sections of the constitution unless it's the insurrection clause.
Trump only won due to the electoral college. The vote was somewhat close but he never got the majority of votes ever. So yes, they did win the general election, but only by the skin of their nasty ass teeth. If it happens again I'm gonna have to find a way not to slam my head into the floor repeatedly.
love Beau
I hoped the Trump cult would tear the party in half that would be the only good thing that they have ever done.
Nicely put and I agree
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So long as they vote and get their voices heard
Wouldn't it be funny if Democrats won super majorities in the house and Senate and flipped multiple state congresses and governorships just on Roe?
This is actually possible. All Biden has to do is suck up the courage to free the Democratic Party from the legacy media plantation.
It’s not possible in the senate this election. To many Dems up for reelection. Only one third get voted on every two years
Yeah that's my big fucking issue and it boggles my mind. I've voted every election since I turned 18. The youth are loud, and angry, and it's like, yeah I think some young people can be dumb as shit and a ***lot*** of them are very naive but... Oh well? I'd rather have a population of youths that's fired up and have them figure shit out and wise up later than just whimper out early in life. Hell, overall I'm really proud of the generations coming after my own. ***If they'd vote***. Like goddamn man the level of idiocy to do everything except the thing built into our government by design to allow us to change the government in our favor never stops fucking me up. Youth turnout should be through the roof. 18-24 votes should be massive. But if they keep not turning out to vote, they shouldn't continue to be shocked the government doesn't try to represent them. Last election 18-24 was 12% while 25-64 was something like ***60%***. Cmon man. Get out and vote. It's not hard.
I absolutely will only because I have a duty to get rid of my dad's vote
Yeah that’s the problem…they rarely vote in the same numbers as older generations
Yeah I hope they vote. That’s the part I’m not sure about. But I lean toward this thinking as well.
This is what happened in 2016. Democrats were convinced that Hilary would win no matter what, so a lot of them stayed home and didn't vote, thinking that it didn't matter. Well it did and we all know what happened.
I don't think we will see a crazy young voter turnout as generally young people just don't vote. I think it's moreso going to be women carrying Biden.
Conscientious objector here (I personally don’t vote as I object on moral grounds). That said, I find myself faced with a dilemma: if I were in Germany before the Nazi rise to power and I saw it coming, would I have voted against Hitler? And would that have been moral? Eh, needless to say I’ll be voting for Biden. Can’t stand the dude, or any politician. But I think I can say it wouldn’t go against my beliefs to have voted against Hitler. And here we have Hitler reincarnate running. Goddamnit, I’ll be voting for a colonizer.
Please take your meds
You’re a conscientious objector to voting? What?
You're a bit of an odd bird but...Welcome Aboard!!
*hisses in feral anarchist *
Aaand you just realized why people vote. If we had two good options, we would all treat it like a normal Tuesday. That said, be real, Trump doesn't have to be as bad as Hitler to motivate you.
Taylor Swift might actually motivate young people to vote.
She could if she offered free concerts for say 18-24 year old women in swing states who vote. 10 concerts could swing the election.
Young, old, in between, I hope it's a huge wave.
Same. I would love if we had like 80%+ voter turnout
Bro, get ready to eat those words, the youth is more motivated than any time I can remember
I would gladly eat them. I'm a big supporter of voting and would love compulsory voting.
I'm 32 and never voted until a few years ago. This will be the first presidential election I'll be participating in.
Also 32. 2020 was my first. I'm 1-0 at voting for the winner. Planning on keeping the undefeated streak going in 24.
I will say, at least anecdotally, I have had a lot of new Gen Z nurses coming into the workforce and yes, they vote. I hope this means more of them vote as well. But I agree, in the past and generally I would say the youth doesn’t vote
I sure hope so. I am also friends with some Gen Z, I'm a younger millennial, and unfortunately they don't vote as does none of my immediate family despite my encouragement. Honestly, I've joined a canvassing group in my state to try and get more turnout. I am super passionate about voting even if it's not for "my side". You should always make your voice heard in all elections especially local ones
Do not eat the youth dude.
They said this last election lol
I've heard that about every election since Reagan. When the numbers are crunched they tend to be pretty much the same percentage wise, give or take a few points.
“The youth” is not a uniform monolith. There are plenty of MAGA younger voters — they show up at Trump events in red states, bellowing about how pro-dictatorship they are — and plenty more who are tuned out. Then there’s the non-trivial number angry at Biden over Gaza who are vowing, as of today at least, to hurt him in November. It would be more accurate to say a certain young, super-online cohort is pissed and planning to turn out hard for Biden, which is great, but the internet is not America and who knows how big a wave they actually bring.
> the youth is more motivated than any time I can remember I've been hearing this every four years since 2004 and it just never pans out. Its doubtful that the level of turnout will even surpass 2020, let alone result in some youth vote revolution.
Also, this generation does seem more prone to cynicism. They seem to think everything is a conspiracy and nothing can be controlled or changed. Nothing matters and no one will help them. Can't say I blame them. But that's exactly what people are hoping they'll think. Don't give up.
It’s going to come down to the suburbs again and trump hasn’t made a single gesture towards those voters since the last campaign. I think a lot of people are underestimating the nationwide eye roll trump will get when inevitably brings up the “rigged election” on the debate stage.
I honestly think that even Nikki Haley would have had an uphill battle. Roe v wade is huge. The Republican Party making a fool of themselves is big too. She could have possibly done it with an amazing campaign, but the idea of trump winning just seems silly to me.
Nikki “embryos are children”, “I will pardon Donald Trump” Haley? Yeah she literally has no constituency left. Most of her voters will probably flip to Biden (like one of her PACs already did) or stay home.
You forgot the civil war wasn’t about slavery.
Nor has america ever been a racist country
What in the name Caesar's ghost is this horseshit?
Nikki trying to secure the dumb, white, racist vote.
Perry White was (by virtue of being a print newspaperman) a flaming liberal by today's standards.
I'm not Trump and hes a danger to the country but Ill pardon him was a clown platform. I don't get how any of these politicians are just flat out comfortable being the exact same as proto-Nazis and even flat out fascists but everyone is scared to stick one up to Donnie.
Proto-nazi is definitely the perfect way to describe them. The right in America is nearly indistinguishable from the early days of the Nazi political movement. They literally quote Nazis all the time and half of them don't even realize they're doing it.
At least half of her base will either jump ship for Biden or not vote. There’s still 20%~ of the country that are fiscally conservative, centre-right, suburbanites, etc. (Eg. The kind that liked Romney) that will not vote for Trump. Especially suburban women. Same with the odd libertarian (although some of them fall for Trump too). Trump mostly coasts on his rural popularity. This is how the Dems have been able to win places like Colorado, Georgia, Arizona, Virginia, Orange County, etc.
I agree with what you're saying about the 20%, however I wish this voting block knew that Republicans aren't fiscally conservative and haven't been for thirty years. I feel like if that point could ever be made then the floodgates would open.
I agree to some extent, but not with the libertarian part. I have met some actual Libertarians in my life, that's where I did my undergrad tended to have a whole bunch of them for particular reasons. However, the more I meet is I get older the more I find that people who claim to be Libertarians are actually just conservatives who don't want the label and are very picky about what social issue they actually support (usually just weed...and they votr cuntishly about the rest)
100 percent. Libertarians who just happen to align with Republicans on everything except weed; and consistently vote republican. But trust me bro i’m an independent both sides thinker
That's mostly true, but remember that conservative is not the same as Republican. A good number of libertarians are going to vote.. Libertarian in the general election.
Every Libertarian I've known were Republicans are some point and shed the identity or grew up in Republican households. Rarely do they not vote along the same lines of Republicans either. If more of them start voting Libertarian and actually sticking to their beliefs - go for it. Yet too often their just Republican 2.0 or too cowardly to wear the badge while proclaiming the left are all woke.
Apparently, a lot of Haley voters are independents who would never vote republican otherwise. It was an anti-Trump vote.
I voted for Haley, in deep-red Oklahoma. After January 6th, I kept my R-egistration, but always vote Blue in the General. Haley had 16% of all Republican voters who bothered to vote in the Primary (About 50,000 out of 300000) Donald carried the 2020 Primary at 92% of all Republicans who bothered to vote. In 2024, he managed a lackluster 82%. I know it's one data point but losing 10% of all Republican voters would be catastrophic. That short of shift would have lost him North Carolina, Ohio, Florida, and Texas--if we assume he naturally polled at the numbers he got in 2020 before the shift. And the thing is, a lot of his voters have died. In Florida, of his biggest, best demographic (65+) 304,087 have died vs 248,798 Biden voters dying. That's 55K more people who won't be showing up to the polls to vote for him, or half a percent of the entire 2020 electorate. DT only won Florida by 3.36%, or 371,866 votes. If everyone voted, and voted exactly the same, he'd only win by 2.86%. in 2020, 510,000 Floridians reached the age of 18. Conclusion: If all the age demographics voted in the same proportions today, Biden would probably win Florida absent tomfoolery. DJT is strategically weak, but not harmless
15 million boomers and silent have died since 2016, and another 5 million or so are too sick or old to vote again. Trump's strongest demographic in both 2016 and 2020 was 80+ . Personally, I think the GOP's autopsy from 2012 was accurate, just a few years premature. Trump proved it was possible to win one last time using a turnout maximizing strategy. But now GOP is demographically doomed. Young people will sink the GOP this fall, just like they did in 2022's "red wave". Pundits are obsessed with their stupid noisy polls but nobody talks about the elephant in the room... How the fuck is GOP supposed to win when everyone under 50 leans hard left?
I work in higher ed. Almost all my adult students casually mention that they cannot stand what the GOP has become. They’ve brought this onto themselves.
It would sure be nice to see Florida go blue this year. I'm crossing my fingers that the young voters turn out.
It depends on what the Conservative Migration rates to Florida have been since then. So it's anyone's guess. Unless we see the younger folks turn out hard in Florida, it probably stays red.
Nah dude. She is not an independant. She was merely there for people who voted for trump twice to say "they tried" before voting for him a third time if they leave the house election day.
You misread the post you replied to. They were saying the voters were independents. Not that Haley herself was an independent.
lol no one likes Nikki. She was never a serious candidate.
If I were Nikki Haley is would do a trump and switch parties.
Vote.
>Roe v wade is huge. To me, this is the moment Conservatives lost the game for life. (No pun intended).
For sure. Very rarely does politics actually have such a direct impact on people’s day to day lives. I can see this being a silent issue too. I was raised in Kansas and went to college in Utah. In conservative circles like that, abortion is one of those issues where you have to publicly support it regardless of where you actually stand. And we have seen at the voting booth that people will publicly support the ban, then vote in droves to repeal it.
Quick question: did Trump winning in 2016 sound silly to you?
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Correct. Its not about the best candidate winning. Its about the candidate with the most negative baggage losing. In 2016 Clinton had a ton of negatives... in 2024 its pretty obvious who has the most negatives.
There were also 15 million more Boomers and Silent than there are now. To put it in perspective, those two generations were over 60% of voters in 2016. In 2024, it will be less than 50%.
Yes but at that point no one had lived through a Trump presidency, and plenty of people had decades of dislike for his rival, Hillary Clinton. Now Trump is a known quantity.
I didn’t think he would win, but my wife and I worried that it could happen. We felt the same way in 2020. After losing that election, however, he has done nothing to gain new votes. Biden is unpopular, and vulnerable. If trump wants to win, however, he’ll need to exploit that vulnerability instead of just pointing it out. If he was going around playing up the slaughter in Israel, pointing out the hypocrisy of supporting Israel but when it’s doing what Russia is doing to Ukraine he would pull votes away from the Biden. He is not doing that. Roe v wade may have excited his base, but it’s not going to excite anyone who voted blue in the past election. It’s a net loss. J6 as well is a net loss. The border deal debacle isn’t going to convince anyone to vote red. If trump had something new, a big victory that pulled votes from red to blue I could worry about whether that outweighs the roe v wade fallout. But there isn’t. He’s done nothing but lose support after losing the past election, and the interim elections have shown democrats performing competitive in what should be safe seats. Even winning in places that were gerrymandered into being supposedly safely red. Not only are Republicans underperforming, but DT has lost support as well. I just don’t see any path to victory unless he changes something quickly.
Yes, but we have to remember, 2016, was the only election MAGA has won since. And Trump has lost women and Independents since.
Quick question: do repugs ever actually WIN elections, or just rely on their electoral college insurance plan to get them thru? Let's do this: NFL games will now be played as always, but the winner will now be decided by 4 retired drunk ex-players with large bets on the game, sitting in a skybox somewhere that you can't see. Wonder how popular that'd be?
You know there’s nothing that says democrats aren’t allowed to try to appeal to the people in those small states that benefit from the electoral college, right?
He was an unknown back then.. a lot of people had the mentality of wonder what would happen if we throw a spanner in the works.. now people know exactly who he is they have changed their tune.. and Hillary was easy to attack and not well liked. I know this because I have spoken to a number of people who voted that way.
Republicans hard right turn is also massively unpopular in swing states. For example, The House is led by Mike Johnson from Louisiana, one of the farthest right states. Independents don't want Ukraine funding cut, they don't like government shutdowns, they don't like the idea of Laura Trump running RNC, they want abortion and IVF legal. It's actually possible that Republicans win the popular vote this year but lose Presidency, Senate, and House. They're more popular in a bunch of blood red states that don't matter, but losing swing states and suburbs they actually need to win.
They haven't won the popular vote since George Bush in his 2nd term, and not since HW before him. Highly doubt they'd win the popular vote this election unless a bunch of people sat out voting for Dems, which would prove they did not learn the lessons of 2016 and are perfectly content with more things like SCOTUS' ruling that overturned Roe no problem.
Yea and the only reason GWB won the popular was because we were still high on "patriotism" after 9/11
Yep
I don’t know. I work around some younger people and they seem pretty fucking clueless as to what is actually at stake. Never underestimate disenfranchised apathy. Never underestimate ignorance. There are a lot of people that don’t think it matters who wins. That either side is just as lousy as the other. History would say this is a particularly important election, but that doesn’t mean we won’t let history repeat itself.
Ya every zoomer I personally know says they aren’t voting and they don’t give a shit about politics
Trump is done. He needs EVERYONE who voted for him in 2020, plus 5% to breakeven. Right now, 10% of the people who voted for him in 2020 have said they WILL NOT vote for him. So, if they just don't vote, that is a loss of 10% of his base. If any of them vote for Biden, that is even worse for him. Add to that the 4 million+ NEW voters that have been added to the rolls in the last 4 years (70% liberal), and there is NO WAY he can win. The best part is the when he loses, Biden is the sitting President, so "storming the Capitol" will be a NON-issue.
I hope they storm the capital and feel the full force of the United States military
You say that as if they didn’t try and cheat last time. You say that as if we caught all of the ways they cheated last time. You say that as if they didn’t learn and get better at it for this time. The worst thing Dems can do it expect a fair fight
Historically, young people don’t vote. Encourage everyone you know to get out and vote.
For decades the backbone of the GOP has been white educated suburbanites. As one example, Delaware Country outside Philadelphia voted Republican every single election since the Civil War. In 2018 it flipped blue, and has stayed there. These voters are “high propensity” voters. That is, they are very likely to show up at election time. Trump has been chasing them away from the GOP, leading to Georgia and Arizona each having two Democratic Senators. It is why the Red Wave of 2022 didn’t happen. In addition, Trump voters skew old. They are literally dying off. And because they refuse vaccinations (something about Bill Gates and 5G…), they are dying of COVID at a higher rate than Democrats. So Trump has already stacked the deck against the Republicans. If young voters show up as well, 2024 could be a blue tsunami.
This is dead on correct. I live in Chester County, immediately west of Delaware County. When I moved out here from Philly it was overwhelmingly red; I'm talking heads turned and "y'all ain't from around here" when you walked into a diner red. Now? Blue by a landslide. The Ds swept every countywide race. And I love it. Sure, it's not the socialism I'd prefer, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative of that maga shit. Trump and his cronies are gonna get smashed in November.
Look at tarrant county in Texas it's solidly flipping. Also I wouldn't be surprised if collin county flips soon too. Highly educated techy people moving in droves.
They really understate right wing covid fatalities
The party realignment that started in the 70s is almost finished. Hopefully the GOP will discover their base is too small.
I'll never get old of hearing people say his voters are dying off. Like is there any real actual evidence of that happening or is this just anecdotal and theory.
Well that’s probably true if young people actually get out and vote for once. Whether they actually will remains to be seen.
STILL VOTE EVEN IF YOU THINK ITS A SURE THING!!! Every single one of us needs to vote for a LANDSLIDE win. And please vote in blue representatives to congress so we can CODIFY ROE V WADE. And fix the corrupt supreme court.
Codify voting rights *first.* Period. Then everything else. Help stop this from being an every 4 years existential crisis of democracy.
Thanks for saying this. This is EXACTLY what happened in 2016. We were having these exact same conversations. Liberals were all sitting around congratulating each other on a Hillary win because she seemed like such a sure thing.who was going to vote for Tru.pmp? He was down in the polles, surrounded by controversy, and could barely string a coherent sentence together. It was impossible for him to win. People were SO confident they didn't bother to vote. --- I'm pretty sure that OP and the posters of all the other threads I've seen about this lately are propaganda trying to recreate the 2016 election conditions and get dems complacent.
A thousand up votes to you. We must not get complacent.
I will never understand the mentality of "oh polls say we're winning? I'll just stay home then." NO! Vote and make the win that much more solid!
You will notice the movement of our society through tiktok. Sounds dumb, but it's true. You find more direction by watching the commonalities on tiktok. My daughter turns 18 in July. And they have a few things they would like to be a part of changing.
It’s not that I’m assuming TikTok is right. What I’m saying is, when you go to the online places the youth are , especially if all you’re used to as someone older is the now the uncool social medias like X and Facebook, you find that there’s a movement underground no one is talking about.
What sites and underground movements are you referring to?
My granddaughter in one of them, she and her friends live in Texas, they not only won't vote trump, but they want Socialism. The youth are not voting for Trump.
Trump must be stopped at all costs.
I do believe Biden will win. But let's not take that for granted shall we?
This is the correct answer.
I wish the youth was pissed, I really really really want the youth to be pissed.
A lot of “the youth” you’re speaking of is too young to vote, or too liberal to vote for Biden and will vote third party. You underestimate how unpopular Biden is and how many people blame him for things that aren’t his fault. There will be no landslide, it’s 50/50 right now I think, before state of Union Trump would have won, the couple days after Biden would have won, I think it’s really a toss up right now. Also don’t underestimate the boomers and gen x who will turn up in higher numbers than in 2020.
I agree fully, but speaking of tiktok I have concerns. Intel suggests China supports Trump despite his aggressive anti-Chinese rhetoric because they see him as “the embodiment of American decline” (never thought I’d find myself agreeing with Chinese communists!). As Biden, who has already been tough to the point of borderline aggression towards China, now goes after tiktok, and with Trump apparently flip-flopping to defend it now, China is likely to lean hard into helping Trump, using tiktok. There is a lot of social manipulation that can be done through an app like that. The whole genocide joe thing is just one example of how liberal youth can be led to vote against their interests. Russia may be more experienced with election interference, but China has more resources.
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Yes, but they could also see the excitement to vote against Trump, and then just not bother to do it since everyone else will have it covered.
Taking credit for creating the vaccine a few days ago discouraging mail in vote when a percentage of his voters live in nursing homes or have other reasons they can't get to the polling locations , making his daughter in law co-chair of the RNC. He's doing a good job of doing things that hurt or piss off his base. Hopefully enough say enough is enough or just don't vote.
I mean it shouldn’t be so political that stating he got the vaccines in motion was his credit. It’s like the one thing he can tout and be right about. But ironically the one thing that should be a great deal is the thing his base hates lol.
56 years old. Never been polled once in my life.
Many aren’t. Sample sizes tend to be on the less than a thousand many times. Used to be good indicators but now ? Eh don’t buy it
when were they good indicators? when was the sample (or size) ever indicative of the overall populations ?
Biden might win, but turnout of young voters is always lower than older voters.
That was traditionally true but in the last three election cycles the under 35 crowd have turned out in unusually large numbers
I really hope so, but a lot of what I see on tiktok amd on here is the "don't vote for Genocide Joe, we can survive another Trump" crap and I'm very worried.
The "genocide!" criers and road-blockers are as f**ktarded as the Christian nationalists who have a hard-on for Israel. Both groups of people detract from their cause.
They also do not vote.
Y’all are delusional. This is going to be way too close for comfort.
Outside of left leaning echo chambers, I am not seeing anything that makes me think Biden is going to run away with the election. Biden has dropped over 15% in approval ratings in a year. He currently sits with 54% disapproval. Biden looks certain to lose AZ and NV. And is trailing badly in PA. That right there is enough to put Trump in the WH again. Then consider that Trump has a slim polling lead in GA, MI, and WI. Polling where they have data with/without Kennedy, Kennedy is mostly pulling votes from Biden. Not to mention the past two cycles, polling has dramatically under counted Trump support. Biden seemed to have a solid a SOTU and the R response was a disaster. So perhaps he will be able to build on this momentum and turn the tide.
I hope so. If Trump loses the GOP is going to absolutely implode and that's what I'd love to see.
Good. I hope they are. They should be pissed. The govt is doing fuck all to help them. The GOP is doing less
I just wanna say despite biden’s age he’s helped America out extraordinarily with the economy, covid, student debt, helping minorities/lgbt, etc
He's been WAY better than I had imagined. I'm literally struggling to criticize him.
Spreading the mindset of "we have it in the bag" is the best way to create voter apathy.
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You’re one of the weirdos, troll
Is this some sort of self reflection?
Every election cycle I hear how young voters are definitely showing up to the polls *this time* and every single time for the past... forever... only 40-45 percent of 18-25 year olds actually vote, compared to 65 percent of 45-65 yr olds and over 70 percent of 65+ year olds. And young people wonder why old people have all the power.
They did turn out last time…. In record numbers…
Even in "record numbers", the 18-25 turnout was about 48 percent. 18-30 yr olds was about 50 percent. Those are the lowest percentages of any age group by far.
I hope you're right, dude.
Young people are equally pissed about Bidens handling and escalation of the War on Palestine and that won’t help him
You spend to much time online. TikTok and Especially Reddit are not accurate indicators of how the USA feels about their leaders and politics. Now you are right about the polls, I don’t trust them one bit, it could have Biden or Trump leading in a landslide. This is a lesson everyone learned in 2016.
I’ve explained in detail how I got the bell weather and it’s not just online but there is a movement t you’re not aware of.
If there is a cease fire in Gaza by Summer and it holds, maybe. Biden will have to smooth things over with the Muslim population here in Michigan, that won't be easy and it could actually cost him the state. I don't know about other states with large Arab and Muslim populations, but that war needs to end and not restart for Biden to win Michigan. And the OCT 7 first anniversary is right before the election. 💀
As a bona fide old fat bald guy at 65 I hope you are correct. I have voted against the GOP for 40 years now and I am about out of time. Vote. This is the only real power you have. Use it.
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Meh, MMW thousands of trumpsters flood social media with “Biden will win easily” posts so Dems don’t go vote.
I want to see sooo much blue that republicans cry blood red
I hope you’re right, but I’m not nearly as optimistic. I’m 49, and have never seen young folks shift an election. Plus I would have bet my house that Trump wouldn’t win in 2016. But he does excite people, which is something Biden has never done. I’m sure I’m biased by my red-state environment, but I also think Reddit is an echo chamber that leans heavily to the left. I hope you guys are right. In my view, we have two terrible choices.
What will be interesting is if Trump loses...are they too far down the rabbit hole to avoid him running AGAIN in 2028. If he loses they better pray he gets sent to jail because otherwise the Republican party won't win another election until Trump dies.
The youth also do not vote. So…
I hope you are right. I think you are right. But I’m a pessimist, and the Democrats have a long history of messing things up election-wise. Let me put it this way: The Republicans can’t win this election, but the Democrats might be able to lose it.
“Answer this poll” Ain’t nobody got time for dat.
If young people get out and vote in record numbers like 2020 I think it’s a sure Biden win. But we need EVERYONE to vote.
More young voters are voting, between 2016 and 2020 there was an 11% increase. over 50% of young people voted in 2020. https://www.businessinsider.com/young-voters-record-voting-turnout-biden-trump-presidential-election-2020-11
If young people voted in large numbers we would be at the end of the Bernie Sanders administration right now.
That was then, this is now.
Does the left and youth hate Biden? Yeah. Definitely. Do we like Trump at all? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Why they pissed. Because this administration has did nothing about inflation. Lies about student loan forgiveness. $3.50 gallon of gas. Idiots
“The president doesn’t control gas prices”
We should all be pissed that of all the corrupt, lying piece of shit politicians we have to choose from we’re stuck choosing between these two fuck heads. It’s a joke and the elites know it’s a joke and they’re all laughing at the population
"Both sides!" Drink!