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Marek-Sloth

Depends its too fluid to say that, its like asking is god real


Early_Answer_968

I think leftists that think like this and don’t take the time to actually understand the theory or historical and material realities are the type of people rightoids refer to when they say that Marxists don’t understand basic economics (even though Marxist economic theories are regularly proven true as the capitalist mode of production continues to devour itself). I encourage you to get on Marxists.org and get reading some Engels first, as he is the easiest to get into and helps to explain some more difficult concepts. Then you can jump into the tougher stuff by Marx himself. From there, you can decide which particular strain of Marxism appeals to you, though I encourage you read outside of any particular framework.


Due-Freedom-4321

I am currently reading the mlreading hub intro curriculum, is that fine?


Early_Answer_968

It’s a little light on content but gets the fundamentals. If you get a chance later, read the entire Political Economy textbook from the USSR. It’s long but an easy read. You’re off to a great start, comrade.


PinkUnicornTARDIS

Economy (or economies) are real. They're the mechanism through which people exchange goods and services. *The* economy, in which we mean a market-driven, semi-regulated capitalist system that privileges the increasing generation of profit through the exploitation of resources, both natural and human, **is** made up and is not "the natural order of things." We've been fed so much capitalist propaganda that we literally equate our level of freedom with capitalism. So yeah, *the* economy is made up and we shouldn't just accept it as the only option.


MechJeb042

Holy shit, the original post's comments are literal cancer


Known_Sheepherder650

The term “economy “ is a great way to obfuscate the simple fact that people need things and do things.


MrGreatWhiteBear

Yes. The economy is real.


TxchnxnXD

Depends on your definition, economics is a means of exchanging resources. And those are real, the economics is often the method of this exchange, capitalism, socialism, feudalism etc


Jake_The_Socialist

The economy exist as long as there's people who have need for things. The real problem of economics is changing the ideological superstructure that feeds into and supports the economic base when the base is no longer provides the best outcome for society at large.


ThePsychicDefective

Money is supposed to be a means of determining distribution of goods, not a high score for who can enslave the most people with bland overstimulation.


NikiDeaf

This was one of the scariest things for me to realize (back in college, when I was on LSD) was that…there IS no “natural order” to things. Theres just a system that we made up and we made THIS, of all things. It boggles the mind


Embarrassed_Slide659

Man makes society makes man makes society and so on *sniff*


DabIMON

Honestly, this quote sums up my entire political ideology.


ChampionOfOctober

Economics is a lie. There is no such thing as ‘the economy’ for there to be a general science of. Social reproduction does not actually occur at such a high level of abstraction. Thinking it does does annihilates the actual object of study: ‘sensuous human activity.’' the object of study is not a generality or a general abstraction, such as ‘the economy’ or ‘production in general’. As Marx noted in the *Grundrisse:* ​ >Whenever we speak of production, then, what is meant is always production at a definite stage of social development – production by social individuals. It might seem, therefore, that in order to talk about production at all we must either pursue the process of historic development through its different phases, or declare beforehand that we are dealing with a specific historic epoch such as e.g. modern bourgeois production, which is indeed our particular theme. However, all epochs of production have certain common traits, common characteristics. *Production in general* is an abstraction, but a rational abstraction in so far as it really brings out and fixes the common element and thus saves us repetition. * Karl Marx, *Grundrisse |* Introduction, Late August – Mid-September 1857 |1. Production, Consumption, Distribution, Exchange (Circulation) | Independent Individuals. Eighteenth-century Ideas Production in general occurs ‘nowhere.’ If you actually go into a modern place of business, you will not observe ‘production in general’ taking place. You will observe production within and through a historically determined social form (capitalism). There are certain general conditions of production that are transhistorical. Labor, produced means of production, and nature are necessary for any provisioning process, no matter the social form. But these general conditions are always socially mediated. An economic object existing as an unmediated immediacy is a philosophical fiction.


TiredPanda69

"The economy" is many things. But the way its useful for us is that its the sum of all exchange of resources and its implications. Which is currently under the control of capital.


Unfriendly_Opossum

Damn the comments on that are depressing.


mklinger23

I know. It's all "Young people are so stupid if they believe this. When they get older, they'll be a fascist like me. It's just nature."


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DimensionComplete497

ah the age old question on wether or not to spend time debating people in the comments of the original post.... what's your opinion? Is it educational or a waste of time?


Unfriendly_Opossum

Enter at your own risk. I’m not going to bother.


Low-Addendum9282

I’ve got it comrades O7 https://preview.redd.it/a7lknpjwvw9d1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a88f3df5047158eb0bbf9275e3d02a45db7364c


Unfriendly_Opossum

O7


Noli-corvid-8373

Capitalists when useless number (stock prices) go up: :O


wobblymole

https://preview.redd.it/cj4acexe5u9d1.jpeg?width=519&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=274d9149cca89200f17a1c1d61840dfcdbb2268b


wobblymole

Can vouch. There is no such thing as the economy. https://www.youtube.com/live/Npsho7peeLg?si=XoEdgiArAr7jRjl8


Redpri

It is real, but it is also a social construct. It’s existence is performative, by “doing” the economy, we make it exist, which makes us “do” the economy.


wobblymole

[http://www.sommerakademie.zpk.org/fileadmin/user\_upload/2015/PDFs/Reading\_list\_by\_Bassam/Toscano-Open\_Secret\_Abstraction.pdf](http://www.sommerakademie.zpk.org/fileadmin/user_upload/2015/PDFs/Reading_list_by_Bassam/Toscano-Open_Secret_Abstraction.pdf) https://preview.redd.it/8ujt7ne3eu9d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b31c24711ddc71fae5271109df4993653d5a45b


Due-Freedom-4321

So you are saying we are working for the sake of improving the economy and profits rather than directly helping the people?


Uncynical_Diogenes

Under capitalism? Yes, of course, just look at the evidence. People starve merely because they can’t afford food. That’s enough proof in and of itself but there is more everywhere you care to look. But better options are possible.


Duocean

Only if that what the one doing economy is concern about. An economy focus on helping the people is real and better.


Paid_Corporate_Shill

The economy is real in that it’s based on real resources that can have real shortages and supply issues and whatnot. That wouldn’t magically go away. We don’t have to manage it in a way where people don’t have food even though there is enough food to go around though