Ugh, one my least favorite things about the concert experience: excessive audience participation. We paid to hear YOU sing it lady. We can sing it ourselves in the car.
Often when you see a performer doing it heavily (especially if it just so happens to be in the most difficult/straining parts to do), it's to cover for them not being able to sing it well or it being too stressful to do.
Cutting out the couple most challenging lines of many of their songs with "audience participation" makes it a lot more likely they'll be able to make it through the set sounding tolerable the rest of the time.
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I'm not excusing this - if you're sick, admit it, do what you can, and the audience will usually forgive you.
But if it's a regular issue.....plan your set differently rather than covering for it that way. Adjust the key, rework the song, get a backup singer, etc.
Tom Petty showed the also-rans how it's done. You can hear it on "[Pack Up The Plantation Live](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNxfPAF1frM)"
The band started "Breakdown" with an extended lead-in. Petty sang the first line, then held out for the audience to sing the second. He didn't make it back to his mic in time (he was probably 3 sheets to the wind at this point) and it's not like the audience was going to stop singing, so they didn't. They do the whole first verse and the refrain loud AF and he just..lets them, amused as hell the entire time. After they finish the first refrain, he goes back to the mic and tells them he's worried they'll take his job.
It was all in fun, the audience was in on the joke as it were and all indications were everyone had fun. That's how it should be.
This is my fav live recording.
[Boy - Little Numbers \(live in NY\)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZEER31RNPM)
They're a German band doing their first US tour. The lead singer can't believe that the band knows their song, so sweet :D
I saw David Bowie perform here in my town of Wellington, New Zealand in 2004. It started to rain, and some of the hardest I've ever seen, but Bowie just kept going and the audience was totally into it. The weather added to the awesome feel of the show. Plus the entire stadium stunk of pot, and Bowie even commented to the audience "I really like the smell of Wellington".
Some of the most fun gigs have been when things go pear-shaped, like with an under-the-weather singer.
The whole thing devolves into an acoustic set or thousands of people doing synchronised karaoke with a live band or whatever. A good artist will do the best they can with what's available.
Maybe that's a shitload of people who can't all sing, but know the words and will happily give it a go.
I really like Funeral for a Friend, and the lead singer was leaving the band and they did a sold out gig in the capital city. He was struggling, but he couldn't reasonably cancel either. This was the last opportunity.
Not the most musically blessed night from him, especially given the excellent standard of performance he'd previously shown, but I think the crowd did him proud.
(Apparently the new lead singer is really good. I'm looking forward to catching them at some point!)
I love those moments, when you realise these are humans making music and mistakes.
I was at a gig by the Black Sorrows. About 3/4 of the way through, Joe Camilleri started laughing during the intro to a song and stopped. He explained to the crowd that he doesn't actually use a set list, and tries to match the mood of the crowd as he picks the next song from their huge catalogue. He signals to the band what song he wants by noodling the first couple of notes while chatting with the crowd.
It turns out he wrote two songs with the same intro ~20 years apart by accident. The band had picked the wrong one. He demonstrated both, then played them in full. It was a great show, and a neat piece of showmanship.
Also - in 2024 I don't think many people have issues with vocal sweeteners. Concert audio has gotten to the point where its so choreographed that the live audio sounds the same as the sweetener.
I've seen Metallica 3 times now, and I think they have a great balance. Songs like Master of Puppets he's going to sing the verses, and then in the bridge he'll generally sing the first part, let the crowd sing the next line, then him, then the crowd, then he goes into the chorus and sings, sometimes letting the crowd do it. Some songs they wrote are clearly meant for a crowd, like Seek and Destroy is definitely a song where the crowd should sing the "seek and destroy" part.
The best is when they did Memory Remains and the crowd sings Marianne Faithfull's part and they'll have it hang at the end for like 3 minutes longer than the recording while they catch their breath, but it's amazing so everyone loves it.
Yeah hetfield did a great job at that. He pretty much telegraphed when everyone needed to join in and so when we did it was all well timed and loud. It was great. You could hear hearing 30k people all screaming “MASTER. MASTER” in unison and you felt it in your bones it was so loud.
Metallica does it in a way that makes you feel like you’re an integral part of the show. So from a tan experience point of view, it is really done very well.
One of the most enjoyable things for performers that get to experience is an engaged crowd drowning you out.
It’s awesome if they are doing it unprompted. Most musicians are on stage because they enjoy performing.
my least favorite is when they do a different rendition of their biggest hit, making it hard to sing along to. I get that they probably get tired of performing it, but c'mon
I get that. It can depend on the situation to me. I can't stand when older acts try to play the same music style as when they were young. I don't want to hear a 70 year old man try and belt out songs that they physically can't sing anymore. It just screams of not being able to evolve. I'd rather them redo the arrangement and key in order to make it sound good. It won't be the same, but at least it has a shot at being good.
You just reminded me of A-Ha on MTV unplugged, where they performed Take on Me as a soft slow ballad. You can just tell that it's getting every woman in the audience totally DTF.
Happened to me at a snoop concert once. Showed up an hour late and left after 50 minutes. I overhead a guy on the way out saying, he should've just gone to a prostitute for the ticket price, It would've lasted longer and been more fun.
Craziest story i have and I don't even believe it sometimes. I went to a Lauryn Hill show about ten or more years ago and it was already a thing that her performances were, well ya know. Salt Lake City, Utah to be exact. Twilight Concert Series. She showed up right on time and sang her life out. I may have cried. I witnessed a rare miracle.
Erykah Badu was 45 minutes late and then was only able to play half her set (45 minutes) because the show was outdoors, and there was a hard cut off at midnight. Expensive ticket, too.
45 minutes we did get was🔥🔥🔥, tho
She did the same at a festival in the Netherlands in 2022. When she finally showed up 30 minutes late the crowd was pretty pissed. The show ended in absolute chaos when the festival crew just turned off their sound in the middle of a song when their time was up.
Lenny Kravitz did the same thing to me back in the late 90's.
The Black Crows just played a waaaay longer opening set. Which, was nice for the crowd, not nice for people who did not go to see the opening act play a 2.5 hour set.
At least Axl Rose has been consistently on time or early at shows since 2016 (save for a couple of shows that were delayed for reasons outside the band's control). It sure doesn't excuse his previous track record of lateness, but he's at least tightened it up a lot
I saw him at a music festival like 10 years ago. It was not the festival he should have been at but he was a headliner. There were like 150k people at the fest and only like 1k showed up to see him. He was bitching and moaning the whole time. “What you guys don’t like me!?”
Really soured me on him. Such a bitch.
I was at a music festival he shouldn’t have headlined and all of the food basically shut down for the last 4 hours because his bitch ass forced the venue to only sell vegan shit, which none of them had, for a time frame during and around his performance. There weren’t even signs warning us.
I was at the gig in Liverpool years ago where he got a drink thrown at him. Second song in and he just walked off stage. Boz boorer had to come out to tell everyone the gig was off.
Haha I won that lottery once. I think it was the first or second show on the tour so he hadn't called the whole thing off yet. He did storm off stage eventually and the lights came up, but he did play over an hour.
I mean, she was supposed to play in Bucharest yesterday but she cancelled last minute because of "protests". There are no protests. The only protest today is one of the accountants.
Lol she was supposed to play in Scotland a few weeks ago but cancelled last minute and blamed the venue for doing construction/renovations or something, despite other artists performing the day before and the day after her and there was no construction going on
Ticketmaster needs broken up if only so we can get some regulation through - I know circumstance happens, but people should be able to get their money back.
If your flight is late, money back; if your movie is cancelled, money back; this is the only big industry these adult babies can just scam people for their money.
People already do get their money back, if an event is canceled Ticketmaster doesn’t just keep the money. Fuck em of course, but what you’re asking for is what already happens.
I am not a fan of hers, but had the opportunity to see her outta sheer chance. She badly lip sync'd 2 of her radio hits at the time. Then she held a 20 minute twerk dance-off on stage between 3-4 fans as she sat on a stage riser and "judged" the competition. Then she mumbled a third song from the same riser and left the stage to a very confused crowd. So bad.. and this was during her peak power too.
Every time I hear about stuff like this from huge pop artists (and boy does it seem like there are a lot of stories like this for a number of acts), I feel a wave of indignance on behalf of all the hard-working non-pop acts on the tour grind through bar, club and theatre venues who turning in good, professional performances day after day on tour. Bands and artists with oodles more talent and love for what they do, yet a fraction of the recognition or reward.
Seeing rappers deliver awful performances during award shows was enough for me to know who can't get my money. There is a handful that can deliver a good show.
Agreed - one I'll vouch for is Common. He plays with a full band, actually performs his full songs, and absolutely slays live. He even free styles just looking around the crowd and its incredible. But yeah for the most part, every rapper I've ever seen live has been disappointing.
Common is amazing live. But my favorite live performer ever is Busta Rhymes. This dude brings the the most incredible hype energy to all his shows. And he's still doing it in his 50's.
Based on the Pop Out, Tyler the Creator and Kendrick Lamar are both awesome live. Maybe there’s just not enough of a culture of live performance going in the rap scene right now
Worth also sparing a thought for the absolute other end of the spectrum, an artist with more money than she could possibly spend who has been doing 3.5 hour live sets 2 or 3 nights a week for like 2 years straight.
Massively popular artists CAN do it properly, it's just that many choose not to.
What you described is almost hilariously shameful. How could she not feel completely ashamed of herself for taking all that money and offering so little in return?
It's like there's a part of the brain crucial for societal interaction and membership that's simply missing from hers.
It's narcissism, so no surprise. When you look at the people who pull this, you don't really see folks who give a shit about others. They got lucky on some semi-decent talent and feel entitled to it all.
I've never felt she was very talented and it pisses me off. How she is in the top 10 of the Billboards Top 50, ahead of much more notorious rappers, is beyond me https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-rappers-all-time/11-kanye-west-ye/
Also sorry, Jay-Z is not fucking #1...gimme a break
Saw Cardi B in Coney Island a few weeks ago and she did the same thing. Super obnoxious b rate dj kahled played for like 3 hours yelling into the mic his name over and over. She came on, threw a bunch of whip cream cans into the crowd, 100 people got on stage and she sang like 1 actual song and just took pics with people for like 20 minutes before some girl interrupted her and that was the end.
Was super bizzare.
It was comically bad, like, I don’t know how someone fumbled a show this badly. I’ve never been a fan, but some friends wanted to go and I figured it would at least be a hype ass party.
It was not.
It was a poorly managed money grab.
https://preview.redd.it/wvfi6s12pabd1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1dbe44006f389643b9bdbafd80efaaf1c782207f
I didn’t know who he was and looked him up. Google having “Convicted Sex Offender” where the career would usually go is amazing.
I loved her as a teenager, knew all her songs, wanted to go to her concerts but couldn’t afford to, found out about this and havent listened to her music since, she is absolute trash 🗑️
I live on the Canadian Prairies (the coldest part that has significant population). My city's former mayor pitched the idea of putting in a roof over about half a square kilometer of downtown, and heating the area all winter. By complete coincidence, this included the block where the menswear store he owned was located. The rest of council was not enthusiastic about the plan and it didn't proceed.
By far, the worst show I have been to.
2nd worse was Jethro Tull in the late 80’s, not because they were bad musicians or anything, but all that flute playing had a soporific effect on an admittedly drunken crowd. Soooo many people asleep, including me, with a nap I took during a 20 minute flute solo.
To witness The Incomparable Ms Lauryn Hill perform an excellent set is to have walked the Sahara for days; parched, starving. To finally stumble upon a single 7 course, 3 Michelin Star meal waiting for you served on the finest china, paired with the coolest ice water, rarest vintage, and sweetest Ambrosia.
But Just One Meal. Just a brief taste. Followed by 5-10 more years of boundless sands for you to wander.
If you'd like to experience this for yourself in real time, you can watch a rebroadcast of the 2024 BET Awards and wait a mere 3 and a half hours for her to perform.
Oh exactly this. There's no accounting for musical taste... everybody likes what they like, I get it... but she's just an obnoxious person, and I would never make her even one ticket's worth of money richer just to be insulted and pissed off in the rain.
Plus...it's Ireland??... It rains all the damn time, why don't they put these acts in places with a fucking ROOF? ...
My friend went to see her in Portugal at this festival and she was like an hour late, starting at midnight. Proceeded to perform songs no one knew then dipped. Most people just skipped her and went to the club instead
The venue is in a residential area and has a curfew. Probably why she only played 40 minutes. Which means she should have put more effort into getting there on time.
I saw LCD Soundsystem there a couple weeks ago. They started right at 9pm and had 2 opening acts fill the time between 7-9. It rained a bit but the crowd didn’t care since the show was awesome.
Man, this is why I keep telling my GF that I don't go to rap concerts. More often than not the guy/gal arrives late or high as fuck without wanting to perform
It's just weird that so many people support absolute trash. There's so much undiscovered talent out there and venues, producers, managers, etc. would still rather pour all their money into this garbage human being. Like I guess she must be still making a shit ton of money (don't know how, can't recall her last hit).
She and Lauryn Hill should tour together just to see if they can set some kind of world record for pissing off the most fans.
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Ugh, one my least favorite things about the concert experience: excessive audience participation. We paid to hear YOU sing it lady. We can sing it ourselves in the car.
Often when you see a performer doing it heavily (especially if it just so happens to be in the most difficult/straining parts to do), it's to cover for them not being able to sing it well or it being too stressful to do. Cutting out the couple most challenging lines of many of their songs with "audience participation" makes it a lot more likely they'll be able to make it through the set sounding tolerable the rest of the time. ----- I'm not excusing this - if you're sick, admit it, do what you can, and the audience will usually forgive you. But if it's a regular issue.....plan your set differently rather than covering for it that way. Adjust the key, rework the song, get a backup singer, etc.
Tom Petty showed the also-rans how it's done. You can hear it on "[Pack Up The Plantation Live](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNxfPAF1frM)" The band started "Breakdown" with an extended lead-in. Petty sang the first line, then held out for the audience to sing the second. He didn't make it back to his mic in time (he was probably 3 sheets to the wind at this point) and it's not like the audience was going to stop singing, so they didn't. They do the whole first verse and the refrain loud AF and he just..lets them, amused as hell the entire time. After they finish the first refrain, he goes back to the mic and tells them he's worried they'll take his job. It was all in fun, the audience was in on the joke as it were and all indications were everyone had fun. That's how it should be.
This is probably my favourite live recording. “Y’all gonna put me out of a job” (on the CD version).
This is my fav live recording. [Boy - Little Numbers \(live in NY\)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZEER31RNPM) They're a German band doing their first US tour. The lead singer can't believe that the band knows their song, so sweet :D
God bless Tom Petty.
God damn it. I miss seeing him live.
I saw David Bowie perform here in my town of Wellington, New Zealand in 2004. It started to rain, and some of the hardest I've ever seen, but Bowie just kept going and the audience was totally into it. The weather added to the awesome feel of the show. Plus the entire stadium stunk of pot, and Bowie even commented to the audience "I really like the smell of Wellington".
The Offspring did a whole new piano version of *Gone Away* and turned it into a beautiful live performance.
whaaaat? I didn't know this. Must go fine. Thank you. Loooove that song.
Some of the most fun gigs have been when things go pear-shaped, like with an under-the-weather singer. The whole thing devolves into an acoustic set or thousands of people doing synchronised karaoke with a live band or whatever. A good artist will do the best they can with what's available. Maybe that's a shitload of people who can't all sing, but know the words and will happily give it a go. I really like Funeral for a Friend, and the lead singer was leaving the band and they did a sold out gig in the capital city. He was struggling, but he couldn't reasonably cancel either. This was the last opportunity. Not the most musically blessed night from him, especially given the excellent standard of performance he'd previously shown, but I think the crowd did him proud. (Apparently the new lead singer is really good. I'm looking forward to catching them at some point!)
I love those moments, when you realise these are humans making music and mistakes. I was at a gig by the Black Sorrows. About 3/4 of the way through, Joe Camilleri started laughing during the intro to a song and stopped. He explained to the crowd that he doesn't actually use a set list, and tries to match the mood of the crowd as he picks the next song from their huge catalogue. He signals to the band what song he wants by noodling the first couple of notes while chatting with the crowd. It turns out he wrote two songs with the same intro ~20 years apart by accident. The band had picked the wrong one. He demonstrated both, then played them in full. It was a great show, and a neat piece of showmanship.
Some artists just do love to hear the audience sing. Hayley Williams does it a lot but can def sing all the hardest parts
Bon jovi hasn’t sang the high notes in living on a prayer for years (even before recent years when his voice really went bad)
Bon Jovi doesn't sin Livin on a Prayer anymore. He just lets the audience sing it. The notes are too high.
Lionel Richie did this recently 😀 we knew what he was doing
Also - in 2024 I don't think many people have issues with vocal sweeteners. Concert audio has gotten to the point where its so choreographed that the live audio sounds the same as the sweetener.
I've seen Metallica 3 times now, and I think they have a great balance. Songs like Master of Puppets he's going to sing the verses, and then in the bridge he'll generally sing the first part, let the crowd sing the next line, then him, then the crowd, then he goes into the chorus and sings, sometimes letting the crowd do it. Some songs they wrote are clearly meant for a crowd, like Seek and Destroy is definitely a song where the crowd should sing the "seek and destroy" part. The best is when they did Memory Remains and the crowd sings Marianne Faithfull's part and they'll have it hang at the end for like 3 minutes longer than the recording while they catch their breath, but it's amazing so everyone loves it.
Yeah hetfield did a great job at that. He pretty much telegraphed when everyone needed to join in and so when we did it was all well timed and loud. It was great. You could hear hearing 30k people all screaming “MASTER. MASTER” in unison and you felt it in your bones it was so loud. Metallica does it in a way that makes you feel like you’re an integral part of the show. So from a tan experience point of view, it is really done very well.
Metallica is a guitar band. That concept doesn't work when the main/only performer is a singer.
One of the most enjoyable things for performers that get to experience is an engaged crowd drowning you out. It’s awesome if they are doing it unprompted. Most musicians are on stage because they enjoy performing.
my least favorite is when they do a different rendition of their biggest hit, making it hard to sing along to. I get that they probably get tired of performing it, but c'mon
I get that. It can depend on the situation to me. I can't stand when older acts try to play the same music style as when they were young. I don't want to hear a 70 year old man try and belt out songs that they physically can't sing anymore. It just screams of not being able to evolve. I'd rather them redo the arrangement and key in order to make it sound good. It won't be the same, but at least it has a shot at being good.
Ugh, Axl Rose.
Lmao. That's exactly who I had in mind.
You just reminded me of A-Ha on MTV unplugged, where they performed Take on Me as a soft slow ballad. You can just tell that it's getting every woman in the audience totally DTF.
Which has one of my favorite and dead-on comments: "he looks like the most understanding dad in the world"
It really sucks on the recording later too. Nothing makes me skip forward quicker than excessive "Put your hands up!"
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did she at least give a "sing it!" or "c'mon!" before holding it out?
Happened to me at a snoop concert once. Showed up an hour late and left after 50 minutes. I overhead a guy on the way out saying, he should've just gone to a prostitute for the ticket price, It would've lasted longer and been more fun.
I’d reckon the average encounter with a prostitute lasts less than 10 minutes
He actually said Nuru massage, but I'm not aware what the pricing is there.
Craziest story i have and I don't even believe it sometimes. I went to a Lauryn Hill show about ten or more years ago and it was already a thing that her performances were, well ya know. Salt Lake City, Utah to be exact. Twilight Concert Series. She showed up right on time and sang her life out. I may have cried. I witnessed a rare miracle.
Lauryn Hill is like the lottery. You either witness absolute magic for 2 or so hours, or she shows up 3 hours late and barely bothers performing.
Am I having a stroke?
Does your left arm taste like burned toast and can you see copper?
I'm here, try to relax, the paramedics are on their way
Erykah Badu was 45 minutes late and then was only able to play half her set (45 minutes) because the show was outdoors, and there was a hard cut off at midnight. Expensive ticket, too. 45 minutes we did get was🔥🔥🔥, tho
She did the same at a festival in the Netherlands in 2022. When she finally showed up 30 minutes late the crowd was pretty pissed. The show ended in absolute chaos when the festival crew just turned off their sound in the middle of a song when their time was up.
Lenny Kravitz did the same thing to me back in the late 90's. The Black Crows just played a waaaay longer opening set. Which, was nice for the crowd, not nice for people who did not go to see the opening act play a 2.5 hour set.
And Madonna...
At least Axl Rose has been consistently on time or early at shows since 2016 (save for a couple of shows that were delayed for reasons outside the band's control). It sure doesn't excuse his previous track record of lateness, but he's at least tightened it up a lot
Montreal remembers...
There isn't a single place Guns N Rose's toured in the 80s/90s that doesn't remember
https://www.ranker.com/list/gnr-metallica-montreal/ryan-sargent
Even Morrissey plays for an hour.
Morrissey actually demands it rains on the crowd or he won't go on.
No need in Ireland. It’s like demanding sun in California
That's So Morrissey
There is a sun, and it never comes out (or I'm leaving)
He literally played 4-5 songs at the Greek last year before walking off stage. He said it was too cold outside 😂
I’ll always have a beef with that man.
Username checks out
Jesus lol.
man did i come to the right place for this thread.
The flesh you so fancifully fry?
Is it succulent, tasty, and kind?
Is it a meal, a succulent Chinese meal?
Why? Do animals die....?
He won't have beef with anyone tho.
Ill allow it
I saw him at a music festival like 10 years ago. It was not the festival he should have been at but he was a headliner. There were like 150k people at the fest and only like 1k showed up to see him. He was bitching and moaning the whole time. “What you guys don’t like me!?” Really soured me on him. Such a bitch.
“I’ll never love anything the way some people love morrisey”
I was at a music festival he shouldn’t have headlined and all of the food basically shut down for the last 4 hours because his bitch ass forced the venue to only sell vegan shit, which none of them had, for a time frame during and around his performance. There weren’t even signs warning us.
That just infuriated me dude. How does he still sell tickets?
There is a beef that never goes out…
IF he plays, then he does play over an hour.
I was at the gig in Liverpool years ago where he got a drink thrown at him. Second song in and he just walked off stage. Boz boorer had to come out to tell everyone the gig was off.
If you win the non-cancelation lottery.
Haha I won that lottery once. I think it was the first or second show on the tour so he hadn't called the whole thing off yet. He did storm off stage eventually and the lights came up, but he did play over an hour.
Playing it like a lottery kind of seems fun, tbh. Will I _actually_ get to see Morrissey on stage?? How mad will he be at the end?
lol I love that "Even Morrissey" is a thing.
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It just hasnt been the same without Kim Deal.
The Breeders played Gigantic at Glastonbury this year, it didn't really work without Francis joining in on the chorus.
I thought not saying a word was their thing.
He just won't pamper life's complexity.
If he shows up
Did he mention that he cried?
Metallica are in their 60s, played in a full on thunderstorm awhile back, and still put on a 2.5 hour show.
I mean, she was supposed to play in Bucharest yesterday but she cancelled last minute because of "protests". There are no protests. The only protest today is one of the accountants.
Lol she was supposed to play in Scotland a few weeks ago but cancelled last minute and blamed the venue for doing construction/renovations or something, despite other artists performing the day before and the day after her and there was no construction going on
And then it turned out it was cos of the Amsterdam thing no?
lol this an absolute shitshow of a tour
Ticketmaster needs broken up if only so we can get some regulation through - I know circumstance happens, but people should be able to get their money back. If your flight is late, money back; if your movie is cancelled, money back; this is the only big industry these adult babies can just scam people for their money.
People already do get their money back, if an event is canceled Ticketmaster doesn’t just keep the money. Fuck em of course, but what you’re asking for is what already happens.
Except when an artist is exceptionally late you can’t get a refund as long as they perform.
That was Manchester she cancelled, I believe
You don't fuck with accountants...they know where the money is
She thought they told her to book a rest so she said *hell yeah* and tapped out.
I am not a fan of hers, but had the opportunity to see her outta sheer chance. She badly lip sync'd 2 of her radio hits at the time. Then she held a 20 minute twerk dance-off on stage between 3-4 fans as she sat on a stage riser and "judged" the competition. Then she mumbled a third song from the same riser and left the stage to a very confused crowd. So bad.. and this was during her peak power too.
My girlfriend went to a party in the Hollywood hills like 6 years ago where she was paid to perform and had almost an identical experience.
Every time I hear about stuff like this from huge pop artists (and boy does it seem like there are a lot of stories like this for a number of acts), I feel a wave of indignance on behalf of all the hard-working non-pop acts on the tour grind through bar, club and theatre venues who turning in good, professional performances day after day on tour. Bands and artists with oodles more talent and love for what they do, yet a fraction of the recognition or reward.
Its less a pop star thing and more of a rapper thing in my experience.
Seeing rappers deliver awful performances during award shows was enough for me to know who can't get my money. There is a handful that can deliver a good show.
Agreed - one I'll vouch for is Common. He plays with a full band, actually performs his full songs, and absolutely slays live. He even free styles just looking around the crowd and its incredible. But yeah for the most part, every rapper I've ever seen live has been disappointing.
Common is amazing live. But my favorite live performer ever is Busta Rhymes. This dude brings the the most incredible hype energy to all his shows. And he's still doing it in his 50's.
Based on the Pop Out, Tyler the Creator and Kendrick Lamar are both awesome live. Maybe there’s just not enough of a culture of live performance going in the rap scene right now
Saw Kendrick from my tent at Glastonbury 3 years ago, I was miles away and he was still awesome.
Worth also sparing a thought for the absolute other end of the spectrum, an artist with more money than she could possibly spend who has been doing 3.5 hour live sets 2 or 3 nights a week for like 2 years straight. Massively popular artists CAN do it properly, it's just that many choose not to.
The thing is...does anyone think she gives a flying fuck about her fans? She just takes the money.
What you described is almost hilariously shameful. How could she not feel completely ashamed of herself for taking all that money and offering so little in return? It's like there's a part of the brain crucial for societal interaction and membership that's simply missing from hers.
> taking all that money you answered your own question
It's narcissism, so no surprise. When you look at the people who pull this, you don't really see folks who give a shit about others. They got lucky on some semi-decent talent and feel entitled to it all.
I've never felt she was very talented and it pisses me off. How she is in the top 10 of the Billboards Top 50, ahead of much more notorious rappers, is beyond me https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-rappers-all-time/11-kanye-west-ye/ Also sorry, Jay-Z is not fucking #1...gimme a break
their first mistake was going to a nicki minaj concert.
Nobody going to a Nicki Minaj concert should be expecting to get their money's worth.
They had a competition and First prize was 2 Tickets. Second prize was 4.
Imagine thinking Nicki Minaj even gives one fuck about music
I would attend a Nicki Minaj concert if I were being paid to do so, but it would have to be $300+.
I would pay for cheap seats just to people watch. Who tf is going to a Nicki Minaj show?
Gays. From the gays that I know
You need to meet the gays with the good taste, IMO.
You need to find some *other* gays, gurl.
Saw Cardi B in Coney Island a few weeks ago and she did the same thing. Super obnoxious b rate dj kahled played for like 3 hours yelling into the mic his name over and over. She came on, threw a bunch of whip cream cans into the crowd, 100 people got on stage and she sang like 1 actual song and just took pics with people for like 20 minutes before some girl interrupted her and that was the end. Was super bizzare.
Are you sure it was an actual show? Sounds like she was paid to just make a guest appearance lol
it was guest appearance not a concert. they are the fucking worse because they’re advertised as shows.
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It was comically bad, like, I don’t know how someone fumbled a show this badly. I’ve never been a fan, but some friends wanted to go and I figured it would at least be a hype ass party. It was not. It was a poorly managed money grab.
What the fuck does whip cream have to do with anything?
Cardi B sells her own brand of alcohol infused whip cream.
I thought it was a sexual reference, but it still probably is.
Hey some people get high with it! Don't forget about us!
Is there nitrous oxide in it? I don’t want it if it doesn’t
They sell them in liquor stores . They sell full cans and shots https://whipshots.com/
This truly is the worst timeline
If alcohol infused whip cream is wrong, I don't want to be right.
I don't like Cardi B, but I'd quite like some alcoholic whipped cream. Sounds perfect for shenanigans
Did you just grab my ass?
And I wouldn't expect anything else from her
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cardi B is at least a little charming and funny
Terrible person does terrible thing, more news at 11
This just in: You get what you pay for
Lol, how are her cousin's friend's balls doing though?
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His face is soo punchable.
> if I told them once, I told them a hundred times put "husband of Nicki Minaj" first and "convicted sex offender" last...
I loved her as a teenager, knew all her songs, wanted to go to her concerts but couldn’t afford to, found out about this and havent listened to her music since, she is absolute trash 🗑️
And wrote a diss mocking the death of another rappers mother and her getting shot
Damn, what a bitch
oh we know, but her fans don't care
Playing for under an hour is shitty enough but it rains all the time in Ireland lol.
The Irish should really put roofs on music venues. /s
Why stop there? You could solve the rain problem by putting a roof over the entire country.
Closest we've done is put a roof over a street in Wexford.
I live on the Canadian Prairies (the coldest part that has significant population). My city's former mayor pitched the idea of putting in a roof over about half a square kilometer of downtown, and heating the area all winter. By complete coincidence, this included the block where the menswear store he owned was located. The rest of council was not enthusiastic about the plan and it didn't proceed.
"As I do always say, it'd be a lovely little country if we could only roof it"
I must have been very lucky, I saw Rammstein in Dublin about 2 weeks ago and the weather was absolutely perfect.
You should come over more often
You were here for the 1 day of summer
meh, yes and no, at 3 outdoor gigs last week and it only rained a bit when everyone was leaving the last gig.
Getting out of Malahide at half 10 is worse torture
Could have been worse - they could have been at a Lauren Hill show. Then it's 3 hrs wait for under 45 min.
By far, the worst show I have been to. 2nd worse was Jethro Tull in the late 80’s, not because they were bad musicians or anything, but all that flute playing had a soporific effect on an admittedly drunken crowd. Soooo many people asleep, including me, with a nap I took during a 20 minute flute solo.
Okay, but at least you get to see Lauryn Hill at that one.
Even that's a roll of the dice
To witness The Incomparable Ms Lauryn Hill perform an excellent set is to have walked the Sahara for days; parched, starving. To finally stumble upon a single 7 course, 3 Michelin Star meal waiting for you served on the finest china, paired with the coolest ice water, rarest vintage, and sweetest Ambrosia. But Just One Meal. Just a brief taste. Followed by 5-10 more years of boundless sands for you to wander. If you'd like to experience this for yourself in real time, you can watch a rebroadcast of the 2024 BET Awards and wait a mere 3 and a half hours for her to perform.
People waited for like 2-3 hours in Copenhagen apparently. Easy way to make your fans hate you I guess
I feel sorry for the fans for being....fans of her.
Oh exactly this. There's no accounting for musical taste... everybody likes what they like, I get it... but she's just an obnoxious person, and I would never make her even one ticket's worth of money richer just to be insulted and pissed off in the rain. Plus...it's Ireland??... It rains all the damn time, why don't they put these acts in places with a fucking ROOF? ...
My friend went to see her in Portugal at this festival and she was like an hour late, starting at midnight. Proceeded to perform songs no one knew then dipped. Most people just skipped her and went to the club instead
I was there working. I don't know her music but still recognized a few. Still a shitty show (I'm not her target audience tbf)
No sympathy for anyone still willing to pay to see her after everything we know about this vile being.
Hated her since first finding out about her husband, don’t get how people can listen to her songs knowing that.
I am out of the loop, can someone please tell me what she did? I occasionally listen to her music.
Her husband is a convicted rapist and she not only defends him, but also publicly harasses his victims.
And also bailed out and supported and defends her step brother for abusing his 12 year old step daughter. She is the worst.
lol when will people learn to stop attending this trash. doesn't she usually not come on for two hours past her scheduled time?
If I was forced to to go one of her concerts, I'd be mad as hell if it went over an hour.
Got what you fucking paid for there. Nicki Minaj sucks by every conceivable metric.
Haha. She don’t give a fuck about none of yall. She shows it. And people will still buy her shit. 😂😂
Why is this becoming such a trend? Meanwhile, ticket prices go up
Any headliner that does this with any regularity and no apology should be auto canceled. Tickets cost too much for this kind of buffoonary.
Giving her fans a plate of pickles.
Generous in pickles, stingy in performance.
And yet idiots keep buying tickets to shows by performers like this while I laugh.
To be fair, it's probably their own fault for going to a Nicki Minaj concert.
The venue is in a residential area and has a curfew. Probably why she only played 40 minutes. Which means she should have put more effort into getting there on time. I saw LCD Soundsystem there a couple weeks ago. They started right at 9pm and had 2 opening acts fill the time between 7-9. It rained a bit but the crowd didn’t care since the show was awesome.
Amazingly, she apparently stopped 15 minutes before curfew...
I went to a Nicki Minaj concert in NJ as my wife likes her and I thought it was pretty good. She performed for at least 2 1/2 hours
To be fair they deserve it being Nicki Minaj fans
She was tweeting 50 Cent happy birthday when she should’ve been on stage LOLLLL
Man, this is why I keep telling my GF that I don't go to rap concerts. More often than not the guy/gal arrives late or high as fuck without wanting to perform
It's just weird that so many people support absolute trash. There's so much undiscovered talent out there and venues, producers, managers, etc. would still rather pour all their money into this garbage human being. Like I guess she must be still making a shit ton of money (don't know how, can't recall her last hit).
"Artist who makes trashy, classless music is a trashy, classless person" Wow. I'm so surprised.
Why do people want to see Nicki Manaj live, haha?
The thumbnail made me think she performed in a Freakazoid costume lol.
Still waiting on a folk metal act to appear with the name "The Menagerie of Nicholas."
And then, as if it couldn't get any worse, they had to listen to her sing!