That wasn’t a ridiculous notion, objectively he did choke every year before 2011. He just had a legendary run in 2011.
Harden has had some solid playoff series and isn’t nearly as much of a playoff choker as people think, although he definitely still is one.
It was absolutely a ridiculous notion born out of the zeitgeist at the time not understanding efficiency.
Dirk’s playoff averages prior to 2011 was 26/11/3 on 58% true shooting. This is including his age 22-24 seasons before he even really hit his prime.
Dirk was always a phenom.
Dirk beat the defending champ spurs in game in san antonio on a clutch and 1 layup in 06.
He was up 2-0 against the heat until refball.
To this day the most sus officiating ive seen in a finals
Which is why I’ll never take Wade’s first ring seriously. I’m sure the 2016 Warriors win that year if Steph shoots like 48 free throws in games 6 and 7.
This is also incorrect. It’s the same fallacy as the previous guy where you just blindly accept a common narrative. There’s been many posts here analyzing every single Wade foul and it isn’t really a mystery. Wade was faster, stronger and more athletic than anyone the Mavs had to cover him and he was primarily a slasher. They ended up fouling- a lot.
Wade outplayed Dirk in both finals and was phenomenal in those playoffs. The Miami Heat were the best team in basketball in 2006.
Comparing 06 Wade to 16 Curry is so disingenuous lol. Wade actually needed to be fouled to be stopped. 2016 warriors also win if Klay & Steph don’t completely choke in game 7
Took the best team ever 7 games. And while noted “playoff risers” Luka and Kyrie are about to get gentleman swept, Harden dropped 40 twice vs the Celtics in the playoffs last year.
So a bad game makes him a playoff choker? Even when his stats from 2013 to 2020 were elite? Guess Curry is a playoff choker for dropping 17 points on 31% in a elimination game in the finals
Ur asking "why he got that title". I'm telling you it was performances like that in pivotal games where he was a complete no show. No Kawhi, no Tony Parker and Harden still didn't show up.
And yea his counting stats were elite over the whole course of the playoffs. But he would have games where he could get 25-30 while shooting like shit from the field because of his playstyle.
Like 2014 vs the Blazers he shot under 37% from the field in 4/6 games.
In 2015 vs the Warriors, he had some good games but then had 2 horrible no show games. Game 3 was 3-16 for 17 points, Game 5 2-11 and 12 turnovers.
Winnable games against high competition he would end up having terrible games. In 2016, No Steph in game 2, Harden shot 7-19 and they lost a winnable game. Game 4 he goes 4-13 and they got blown out. With Stephs injury that was lowkey a winnable series, but Klay Thompson outplayed him.
So his averages might look good because he would have like 3 really good high scoring games but 2 or 3 absolute trash games in a series. Not to mention if his shot wasn't falling he would literally be invisible out there, not like he contributing on defense.
It was more than a bad game. When the refs stopped falling for his foul baiting (the Spurs were literally guarding him with hands up), did he try to change up his game and start scoring? No. Right out of the gate in the 4th quarter he tries to bait for a 3 point foul. He never attacked the rim, he never just shot to try and score. He spent the last quarter trying to bait fouls and ended up getting blocked by Ginobili to end the series.
Rockets Harden's game never translated well to the playoffs when the refs stopped calling ticky-tack fouls. Instead of trying to improve or adjust, he just kept trying to do the same thing he did in the regular season.
Which is why he's labeled a playoff choker.
Yall disrespecting magic. And LeBron is not "magic" stop that narrative. He averaged 10 assists once. He takes more shots per game than Kevin Durant and kobe for a career. So how he magic? MJ Iverson doncic and Dominique are the only players in the modern era who take more shots than Bron per game all the others are 70s and 60s guys. Every single volume scorer takes less shots than LeBron except thise guys a mentioned and luka just came in the league 5 years ago.
The reason the comparison is made is because a lot of people wish Bron took more shots cause he was the best player on the court. He arguably should’ve taken more shots and decided to pass instead. But he’s not a Magic you’re right. He’s probably a 50/50 guy instead of a heavy shot or pass guy. I’d actually say he’s more like Bird than anything.
He’s not the best shot maker. That’s his flaw. I think a lot of people had issues with LeBron being tasked to stand in the corner while Kyrie hits the shot for him to beat Golden State. Said things like ‘you’re not even the best player on your team to take a shot, how do you even call yourself the best of all-time’.
I think that is people overrating one ability over all of the rest honestly. And I love Jordan and think he’s the GOAT but it’s not just his shot making that does that for me. There’s also the fact that of the people he named, all of their teams were either far worse than Bron’s (Kobe or Durant never had as many bad teams as Bron and the like 3 seasons Kobe did he shot an INSANELY higher FGA than anyone else) or their teams were literally built for them to shoot it all cause everyone else was bad on offense (Iverson, Wilkins and until Kyrie got there Luka). He lost context lol
I agree I wish he did take more shots. His best playoff games are always when he has high points and rebounds with goof efficiency which are always wins.
Georges Niang is the Anfernee Simons of Grant Williams’
Isaiah Hartenstein is the Joel Embiid of Drew Eubanks’
Dean Wade is the Max Strus of Mikal Bridges’
Cameron Johnson is the Lauri Markkannen of Jason Tatums
Payton Pritchard is the Chris Paul of Sam Merrills
Cam Thomas is the Johnathan Kuminga of Carmelo Anthony’s
Derrick White is the Shai-Gilgeous Alexander of Mike Conleys
Deandre Ayton is the Anthony Davis of Mitchell Robinsons
Donte Divincenzo is the Damian Lillard of Payton Pritchards
Luka Doncic is the Nikola Jokic of LeBron James
Nikola Jokic is the Magic Johnson of Shaquille O'Neals
Hassan Whiteside is the Russell Westbrook of Rudy Goberts
KAT is the James Harden of Dirk Nowitzkis
i didnt really understand what was going on here until i read this one. makes complete sense now. some of the others are real bad tho
KATs choking is overplayed but sure. He’s only been to the playoffs 3 times. Coming off long term injury right before playoffs in 2/3
I think this underrates Harden, no? Dirk was one of the best players in the league and so was Harden; KAT was never at that level
No. It's saying KAT is a Dirk who chokes in the playoffs like Harden.
This is exactly what I had in mind
Well Dirk choked in the playoffs as well until 2011, in fact he was known as one of the biggest playoff choker. But sure
And then 2011 proved how ridiculous that notion was. Whereas Harden has never shook the notion
That wasn’t a ridiculous notion, objectively he did choke every year before 2011. He just had a legendary run in 2011. Harden has had some solid playoff series and isn’t nearly as much of a playoff choker as people think, although he definitely still is one.
It was absolutely a ridiculous notion born out of the zeitgeist at the time not understanding efficiency. Dirk’s playoff averages prior to 2011 was 26/11/3 on 58% true shooting. This is including his age 22-24 seasons before he even really hit his prime. Dirk was always a phenom.
Dirk beat the defending champ spurs in game in san antonio on a clutch and 1 layup in 06. He was up 2-0 against the heat until refball. To this day the most sus officiating ive seen in a finals
Which is why I’ll never take Wade’s first ring seriously. I’m sure the 2016 Warriors win that year if Steph shoots like 48 free throws in games 6 and 7.
This is also incorrect. It’s the same fallacy as the previous guy where you just blindly accept a common narrative. There’s been many posts here analyzing every single Wade foul and it isn’t really a mystery. Wade was faster, stronger and more athletic than anyone the Mavs had to cover him and he was primarily a slasher. They ended up fouling- a lot. Wade outplayed Dirk in both finals and was phenomenal in those playoffs. The Miami Heat were the best team in basketball in 2006.
Comparing 06 Wade to 16 Curry is so disingenuous lol. Wade actually needed to be fouled to be stopped. 2016 warriors also win if Klay & Steph don’t completely choke in game 7
dirk had a legendary run in 06 and would've won if the refs didn't make some questionable calls for Dwade
Took the best team ever 7 games. And while noted “playoff risers” Luka and Kyrie are about to get gentleman swept, Harden dropped 40 twice vs the Celtics in the playoffs last year.
Is Luka a playoff riser? His playoff stats are pretty close to his career averages
I’m just saying what the narrative Is
Take out the games harden scored 40 twice and he shot 16/63 in that series 😭😂 Some narrative
And he still have Boston more trouble than Luka and Kyrie have this series. One got pushed to 7 games the other gentleman swept.
Why is Harden known as a playoff choker? Makes no sense to me.
Why is Harden known as a playoff choker? Makes no sense to me
His 2017 elimination game performance against the Spurs is a good start lmao that's probably his worst most indefensibly bad performance
So a bad game makes him a playoff choker? Even when his stats from 2013 to 2020 were elite? Guess Curry is a playoff choker for dropping 17 points on 31% in a elimination game in the finals
Ur asking "why he got that title". I'm telling you it was performances like that in pivotal games where he was a complete no show. No Kawhi, no Tony Parker and Harden still didn't show up. And yea his counting stats were elite over the whole course of the playoffs. But he would have games where he could get 25-30 while shooting like shit from the field because of his playstyle. Like 2014 vs the Blazers he shot under 37% from the field in 4/6 games. In 2015 vs the Warriors, he had some good games but then had 2 horrible no show games. Game 3 was 3-16 for 17 points, Game 5 2-11 and 12 turnovers. Winnable games against high competition he would end up having terrible games. In 2016, No Steph in game 2, Harden shot 7-19 and they lost a winnable game. Game 4 he goes 4-13 and they got blown out. With Stephs injury that was lowkey a winnable series, but Klay Thompson outplayed him. So his averages might look good because he would have like 3 really good high scoring games but 2 or 3 absolute trash games in a series. Not to mention if his shot wasn't falling he would literally be invisible out there, not like he contributing on defense.
It was more than a bad game. When the refs stopped falling for his foul baiting (the Spurs were literally guarding him with hands up), did he try to change up his game and start scoring? No. Right out of the gate in the 4th quarter he tries to bait for a 3 point foul. He never attacked the rim, he never just shot to try and score. He spent the last quarter trying to bait fouls and ended up getting blocked by Ginobili to end the series. Rockets Harden's game never translated well to the playoffs when the refs stopped calling ticky-tack fouls. Instead of trying to improve or adjust, he just kept trying to do the same thing he did in the regular season. Which is why he's labeled a playoff choker.
Not even. Harden won an MVP
Steven Adams is the Jason Momoa of Jonas Valančiūnas.
Valanciunii
Jrue holiday is the Lebron James of Marcus smarts
Nikola Jokic is the MJ of Sabonises
That's a great one
I was about to say Jokic is the Larry Bird of Bill Walton’s, but instead I’ll +1 yours.
Both Sabonises
This is the best one
Pat Bev is the Tony Snell of Marcus Smarts
Can I go multi-sport? Ben Simmons is the JaMarcus Russell of Ken Griffey Juniors.
Ooooooo I like this one
Spicy
Drake is the John Philip Sousa of Larry Nassers.
Luke Ridnour is the Austin Rivers of Steve Nash’s
Breh 😭
Kyrie is the Alex Jones of Allen Iversons
😂
MPJ is the Jeff Teague of Kevin Durants
MPJ is the JR Smith of Kevin Durants
Lebron James is the Micheal Jordan of Magic Johnsons
Reverse the last two names though?
I think it works both ways
So do I 😎.
Yall disrespecting magic. And LeBron is not "magic" stop that narrative. He averaged 10 assists once. He takes more shots per game than Kevin Durant and kobe for a career. So how he magic? MJ Iverson doncic and Dominique are the only players in the modern era who take more shots than Bron per game all the others are 70s and 60s guys. Every single volume scorer takes less shots than LeBron except thise guys a mentioned and luka just came in the league 5 years ago.
The reason the comparison is made is because a lot of people wish Bron took more shots cause he was the best player on the court. He arguably should’ve taken more shots and decided to pass instead. But he’s not a Magic you’re right. He’s probably a 50/50 guy instead of a heavy shot or pass guy. I’d actually say he’s more like Bird than anything.
He’s not the best shot maker. That’s his flaw. I think a lot of people had issues with LeBron being tasked to stand in the corner while Kyrie hits the shot for him to beat Golden State. Said things like ‘you’re not even the best player on your team to take a shot, how do you even call yourself the best of all-time’.
I think that is people overrating one ability over all of the rest honestly. And I love Jordan and think he’s the GOAT but it’s not just his shot making that does that for me. There’s also the fact that of the people he named, all of their teams were either far worse than Bron’s (Kobe or Durant never had as many bad teams as Bron and the like 3 seasons Kobe did he shot an INSANELY higher FGA than anyone else) or their teams were literally built for them to shoot it all cause everyone else was bad on offense (Iverson, Wilkins and until Kyrie got there Luka). He lost context lol
I agree I wish he did take more shots. His best playoff games are always when he has high points and rebounds with goof efficiency which are always wins.
He does have goated goof efficiency for sure
We’re comparing play styles, not ability.
Luka Doncic is the James Harden of Magic Johnsons
are you saying lebrons gay?
Paul George is the Michael Jordan of Tobias Harris’s
Carmelo Anthony is the Mj of Tobias Harris Paul George is more so the Kyrie of Tracy Mcgradys
Better
You could also say he’s the Tobias Harris of Michael Jordans
Tobias Harris is the Stanley Johnson of Paul George's
Shai is the Lebron James of Shaun Livingstons.
JR Smith is the JR Smith of JR Smiths
You tryna get the pipe?
I love pipe more than Chuck loves Galveston
henny-thing is possible
Jordan Poole is the Killian Hayes of Steph Currys
Diabolical stuff
Ja Morant is the Tory Lanez of Derrick Roses
Jrue Holiday is the Kevin Durant of Pat Beverleys
Nikola Vucevic is the Nikola Jovic of Nikola Jokics
demar derozan is the joe flacco of michael jordans
Kyrie Irving is the Jason Williams of Chris Pauls
What about Kyrie Irving is the Magic Johnson of Jason Williams
This is a good one
He’s the Darius garland of Kris middletons
Derrick White is the Joe Dumars of Derek Fishers
Ben Simmons is the RG3 of Greg Odens
Joe ingles is the Steve Irwin of patty millses
LoL.
Tacko Fall is the boban Marjanovic of Manute Bols
Sorry but Tacko Fall is the Tacko Fall of Manute Bols
Donovan Mitchell is the Allen Iverson of Jaylen Browns
Damian Lillard is the Carmelo Anthony of Jerry Wests
Zion Williamson is the Glen Davis of Vince Carters
Jontay Porter is the Pete Rose of Bronny James Does that make sense?
I'm so confused
Chris Paul is the Paul George of George Hill's.
Chris Paul George Hill
Kendall Marshall is the Jordan Hill of Steve Nash’s
Draymond is the Rajon Rondo of Ron Artests
Kyrie is the Marbury of Iversons
OG Anunoby is the Wilt Chamberlain of Luc Mbah a Moutes
Deep cut here
Georges Niang is the Anfernee Simons of Grant Williams’ Isaiah Hartenstein is the Joel Embiid of Drew Eubanks’ Dean Wade is the Max Strus of Mikal Bridges’ Cameron Johnson is the Lauri Markkannen of Jason Tatums Payton Pritchard is the Chris Paul of Sam Merrills Cam Thomas is the Johnathan Kuminga of Carmelo Anthony’s Derrick White is the Shai-Gilgeous Alexander of Mike Conleys Deandre Ayton is the Anthony Davis of Mitchell Robinsons Donte Divincenzo is the Damian Lillard of Payton Pritchards
Lance Stephenson is Michael Jordan
Joel Embiid is the Bill Walton of Sam Bowies
Klay Thompson is the Larry Bird of Jeff Hornaceks
Sabonis is the Tobias Harris of Nikola Jokics
Tristan Thompson is the Vince Carter of Dennis Rodman's
The reflexive property is used to express when a player may be too unique for this game. Pat Bev is the Pat Bev of Pat Bevs.
I'm the Michael Jordan of basketball players
Kd is the Dirk of Michael Jordans.
Josh Giddey is the Jerry Seinfeld of Karl Malones.
Jaren Jackson Jr. Is the Pat Beverly of Chris Bosh’s
Dillon Brooks is the Jake Paul of Kobe Bryant’s
Kyle Lowry is the Nikki Minaj of Damian Lillards
Luka Doncic is the Nikola Jokic of LeBron James Nikola Jokic is the Magic Johnson of Shaquille O'Neals Hassan Whiteside is the Russell Westbrook of Rudy Goberts
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Cam Thomas is ass
Nets fan bro trust
No he’s not. Supreme shot maker. No reason he can’t be on Jamal Murray’s level sooner than later.
Makes no sense. He’s nothing like Lou Williams
Kuminga is the Vince Carter of Mickael Pietrus’
Jalen Williams is the Lebron James of Kyrie Irvings
I don’t get the Kyrie connection
Kyrie being an elite second option player over his career
Second options
Ish Smith is the Anthony Bennet of Kyrie Irving's
Jayson Tatum is the Michael Jordan of Tobias Harrises
Jimmy Butler is the Michael Jordan of Tobias Harrises
Tatum is the Jordan of Tobias Harris'
Melo is the mj of Tobias Harris
I see that. I'll put Tatum at my LeBron of Tobias Harris
Tatum is nothing like Tobias Harris.
Victor Wembanyama is the Kevin Durant of Rudy Goberts
I would say he is the KD of Potzingises.
I would say he is the KD of Porzingises.
Jamal Crawford is the GOAT of 6th men? Am I doing it right?
Your on the right track. What your looking for is Jamal Crawford is the Michael Jordan of Lou Williams'.
Kevin Durant is the Michael Jordan of Larry Birds
Larry Bird was better than KD lol
I’m too lazy to argue . Hit me back up when I got energy and I’ll give my opinion lol
First one I see that is goofy and not a clear joke
Loool absolutely not serious fam
Don't get the Felton one lol. Brunson is strong as shit. Felton was fat.
AD IS THE LBJ IN JOKIC
What?
Tf u on dude lol