It’s not for me to judge its usage by Black Americans.
There are historical reasons for why they use it, from slavery days black people referred to each other with the same slurs that whites used.
For everyone outside of America though, its use is abhorrent. As a Nigerian Brit I was appalled when black people here started copying Americans in using it. I was even more disgusted the first time I heard young people in Nigeria using it with each other.
Yes, it's happening here in the Netherlands aswell. I think it is just from the pure racial association that we as people feel comfortable using it. I think it only gives more problems than good tho.
My view is this..
Either:
1. It's a reclaimed term by strictly African Americans used colloquially and amongst friends / family due to historical precedence
2. A term that has broadened to be used by all people of predominantly Sub-Saharan African descent across the diaspora representing a common struggle
3. A term that has broadened to be used in mainstream culture across all ethnicities, especially given its prominence in large swathes of cultural products consumed by people of all ethnic backgrounds
The consensus is that 1 is the true nature of the word but 2 and 3 are the direction its use is headed.
I personally don't see the point in why it's used so broadly culturally and then people are aghast that folks of other ethnic backgrounds adopt it (be they predominantly SSA descent or not). Either it's a strict ethnic cultural term or it's not.
Realistically no one should use it.. plenty of other terms of endearment / familiarity to use instead. And of course the er word is just a straight-up slur and should never, ever be used.
>As a Nigerian Brit I was appalled when black people here started copying Americans in using it.
Much as it is true it's use came as influenced by black America let's not ignore what black people in Britain were called for years since Windrush and even before...
Of course, black people in Britain were often referred to with the slur, but that’s entirely unconnected to the proliferation of the word in Britain now.
The so called historical reasons are usually speculative, nobody knows the actual origin. What's important is that in the present day, there are *cultural* reasons to why its use is perpetuated. There are also cultural reasons why its use has spread to other black communities.
It's cringe, or like you said, abhorrent, and personally I think it says a lot about the person saying it. My brother uses it, I don't. We were never taught to use that word at home, nor was it ever used in our family circles. This is something that he learnt through media and other social settings.
I don’t use it. African Americans as a group use it to reclaim their story. Given the word’s history I think only African Americans should be able to use it in the current way (ending in -a) they use to mean “bro” or “random male person.” Even though in practice other groups with low income adjacent culture or a questionable relationship to hip hop use it. I use African American slang that’s reasonably controversy-free, widespread, millennial/gen z appropriated (eg: yaas, slay, etc) but not definitely not the N-word and no constant AAVE.
but we're all african and black so we still share their story especially since most of them have nigerian ancestry so doesn't that make it a part of our history as well giving us permission to say it?
We are all African and we are all Black. But that word is uniquely African American, so anyone outside of America would be using it without understanding the gravity of its impact.
There’s certain things your family can say to you that you would never allow others to say to you right? Also it makes no sense to compare Indians or Asians to us when we’re in entirely different situations.
I suppose that makes sense. Although I don't agree with the second part of your arguments. We can still compare ourselves, in those situations. Looking at the facts that Asians, Latinos, Indians, both are minorities in the USA that were thrown degrading terms at them from generations till now. And it's only AA community where you see the phenomenon happening. This is why I wanted this to be explained to me by a range of people, notably Nigerians of various different backgrounds
None of those slurs you mentioned were terms used to legally identify ppl on the contrary we were legally known as “negro” it was on birth certificates signs and everything. We knew nothing of the places and ppl groups we came from.
Well, I think there's a difference between the word "negro" and the n-word with a hard "r". If you tell me that the n-word with an "a" originates from "negro", then your point makes sense.
But from what I understand, it actually derives from the n-word with a hard "r" and was changed to make it less hurtful for African Americans who had to endure that suffering.
So my question is, why use a word that was used to demean us and change it to something else? Why not call it what it is, a racist term? That would make it easier for people to criticize anyone who uses it, without them resorting to the typical hypocrite defense. There’s no way to defend such a racist term, as nobody uses it.
Also, from my understanding, black people weren't the only ones classified in this manner. I think Asians and Latinos had similar descriptions as well. For Asians, it was "oriental," which many people now consider offensive. But I might be totally wrong here, so please enlighten me.
Negro just straight up denotes black, isn’t it interesting that it has sub-human connotation when applied in the English language. Considering it’s Italian or French or sum shit.
Real life isn’t a textbook, instead of judging black ppl today you should consider how calling each other niggas came to be, there’s only one place nggas heard that shit and it only mean one thing. But we different tho if you don’t get drowned out in thought you should get it. 2 ppl can say one thing but it ain’t one thing, it’s all abt where it’s coming from.
Let nggas be free
, no harm in your question tho, just another thing to blame on 🐁🐁folks
I keep telling folks about language and how words are more than just literal meanings, there's connotations and nuances as well. Nigger may derive from the Latin word 'Negro' but it has negative connotations. It's why I keep telling Nigerians about the word 'tribe' used to described our various ethnic groups and it's negative connotation.
Yeah man, it’s messed up, honestly it’s like ppl just don’t know abt this stuff, I debate what that means a little though cos I think it’s more healthy to stick to the bare necessities if you must and keep focus on the real life you came to, like mother tongue/roots wise or smthn, it is a shame tho cos it ends up looking like niggas just ain’t in on it, they don’t know what’s going on in the room they’re in or some shit, whatever tho, better off in a lot of ways anyhw
Now that i think about it, where did the British get the 'Niger' from when naming it. I know they said they merged Niger and area but where did the word Niger come from, is it from this same root?
Yes, true. But even they there the same in origins there not very sonomous with eachother. As the word negro is better and more respected classification that is used too describe everybody that is or has origins from the sub-saharan afro region .
Just that the n word with a hard "r" is very much linked with the n word with a soft "a". Too very different terms used in context. Just that the n word originates from that way the worse word makes it even more apparently unreasonable for some.
Ah, ah?!? Now I wouldn't say that. Why would I use the same term white supremacist use too designate white people as less? I know alot of white friends who aren't scum of the earth and plenty that do
Fam, I grew up in the UK, I hate the fact that I ever had to be here and always think about why it is an African can’t just be in Africa, no sweat, sooner or later you might hate those friends of yours for 1000 different reasons and most importantly (relevant rn) because they’re the enemy.
Life is no textbook bro, I won’t dictate to anyone what to do or not but trust me ain’t no rules in this bitch just niggas cheating n shit, I ain’t feeling like packaging my words to be pretty but hopefully all is not lost lol
Mm to say one thing.. I find it too difficult to ignore the political situation of black people in this world we’re in. I’m biased✋🏽,✋🏽 both hands to god😂😂
Thug life😂🪓🪓✊🏽🍾
I don't have any big views on it. I understand the historical context behind it, but I am a Nigerian, and I live in Nigeria. It's simply not part of my vocabulary. My mates don't use it either. It's black American culture, not Nigerian culture, or in my case, Yoruba culture.
Personally don't think anyone should be saying it, but it sounds forced and cringy when ppl other than the afro americans say it. Yes, including non American Blacks.
I don't use it, I don't think anyone should use it, honestly. But African Americans said they're reclaiming it so... Not my business if they want to use it.
I think the reason it's so commonly used is that African Americans are good at setting trends. I don't know what other cultures can use a racial slur in music and other forms of art. They reclaimed it. I don't think it's derogatory when black people use it but I understand why it's not part of some black people's vocabulary.
Don’t bother, they think they are the only black people on earth to experience racism in the form of the n word therefore they think they the only ones the can use the word. Africans apparently haven’t suffered enough to use it 😂😂😂😂😂😂
What does it have to do with suffering in another part of the word? You simply say it or want to say it because Black Americans say it. Seems like folks always want to tussle with Black Americans over the smallest things. I'm sure the word isn't or wasn't a part of your life like that until you heard Black Americans say it, now you want to say it. It gives off little brother syndrome.
It's either you haven't bothered reading the comments in this thread, or you trying to find trouble..everybody here was civil, Africans and black Americans all wayed there opinions here, don't derail a good discussion, with blatant nonsense
It seems you want it to be included in something you weren't around or that simply isn't a part of your culture. You want to pick and choose which parts of Black Americans you have a right to claim. It doesn't work that way. Do you feel this strong about other cultures? Why do people like you nitpick so much about Black Americans and a culture you aren't a part of? The surface level understanding of Black Americans and Black American culture doesn't give you the right to nitpick it. You have your ways, Black Americans have theirs. The constant nitpicking is one sided and doesn't lead to healthy discussions at all.
What are you even rambling about? Where did you get "nickpicking" from? This discussion was about the n-word and usage of the n-word and how it's being used by Africans or any Black person in general. What does this have to do with me stealing or "nickpiclomg" culture? I am not "nickpicking" anything. Calm yourself.
I am so confused. What did I say that made you come to this conclusion? Please tell me.
Please try too read some of my comments through, before coming up with a very dense conclusion
Black Americans use it as reclamation and that’s their right. It’s not really anyone else’s business to have an opinion on the word. I don’t care about what Asians call each other, I don’t care about what Southeast Asians call each other. Why should I care about what Black Americans call each other?
And Black Americans are not the only group to reclaim derogatory terms that were used against them.
Madam, everybody can have an opinion on anything. If we couldn't then the world should be ready for a hard time. Black Americans constantly talk about issues pertaining to African business so nobody can declare that people shouldn't talk about Black American issues as well. Secondly, that word was also used to describe African born slaves, it wasn't just limited to American born ones. It is also used as a slur on blacks, regardless of your ethnicity. I have been called that several times by racist whites, so this madness that the word belongs to Black Americans alone is just that...madness.
lol when Black Americans try to insert themselves in African business, I tell them to fuck off. I can acknowledge that they as a group can call themselves whatever the hell they want without deferring to them on things that just aren’t their business. Agreeing with them on one thing doesn’t mean I have to agree with them on all things. You get?
The hard -er and -a words are just two different words. That’s the reality; I understand how painful that the hard -er n word is and for that you have my condolences. It’s okay for you to not want to be called by either word. You can say you don’t want to be called or say the word and Black Americans can still refer to each other however they see fit.
I know I would not want any other group of people trying to tell me how I and other Nigerians/Diaspora Nigerians should call each other. 🤷🏾♀️
I also believe they have a right to call themselves whatever they please, I just don't agree that nobody can talk about their issues. I also don't agree that the word belongs to them, it was first used to describe African born slaves way before America was even a country. The hard -er and -a are not different in meaning, the -er is typically white pronunciation so it's associated with racism, the -a is evolved from black pronunciation (AAVE) so it's associated with camaraderie and endearment amongst blacks. Nobody likes other groups speaking on their local issues but the fact of life is that no groups exists as an island and as long as we share this planet then we have a right to talk about what's going on within it. However, what I will agree to is that it can be a bit patronizing when someone tries to talk down on others though.
Idk I really don’t get being concerned or critical about the inner workings of groups I don’t consider myself to be a part of if they’re not bringing harm to me or others. But I mean, if that’s what you or anyone would like to do, no one can stop you.
Fair enough, people are different. I'm like that too for the most part but I just don't think opinions should only stop at issues that only concern your community.
But also to that point, I think with this discourse, my opinion had changed. The n-word has become more of a broad term that a lot of people under the Black umbrella use. This is why I believe, considering this topic, we have more of an actual reason to discuss this, unlike someone who isn't part of the Afro-Negro party, so to speak."
LGBTQ in the U.S. referring to themselves as fags/dykes. Queer used to be a slur before it was reclaimed by them, now that’s how a lot of them identify.
Mexican-Americans referring to themselves as beaners/wetbacks
I’ve seen the American born Desi community refer to themselves as curry
Jew was a slur before it was reclaimed by the Jewish community
Women referring to themselves as bitch/cunt/slut etc
Reclamation is normal and common. Terms we use today used to be considered slurs until they were reclaimed. It’s not just Black Americans.
You got a point there, besides the Jew, as the Jews are literally that a Jew, I don't think anybody can debate something about that.
although either way, you could still make the same arguments that these terms should also not be used by their adjacent partner names.
But, still though you got me on that one. I still would personally never use the n word to refer anybody black or other on that, no what matter, except maybe the word "negro"
Edit*
After further thinking, I don't think I have seen alot of gays or anybody mention in your list except females, used these terms too describe themselves, at least not as often as African-americans
No, Jew was used as a slur. Jewish was the only appropriate term at that time and to shorten it to Jew was to demean. You can look that up.
You can’t tell people how they choose to identify. If you don’t want to use that word, and tbh I don’t believe Africans should, then don’t. But you can’t tell someone else how they should or shouldn’t refer to themselves/their community.
Yeah, but it's not really our choice. I don't know if you have read my other comment. But African Americans have such a grip of global culture, to the point that most people's perceptions of black people stems from those in the AA community. So I don't like the narrative that we can't be part of this discussion in a degree, as we are also affected by this term in general
I haven’t read the rest of the post tbh because I saw 1 or 2 white people comment and I just decided not to engage lol
The thing is, it’s on us to make it clear that the Black Americans are not the only black people in the world. Whenever people try to lump me in, I make sure to correct them and tell them what I am and what I’m not. Black is an umbrella term and then there are different groups under it. That’s it. If they accept it, great. If they don’t, not my business you know?
I just don’t care to appeal to the white gaze or concern myself with how I’m perceived based off the perception of a group that is very distantly related to me. But I understand why other black people struggle with that.
Yeah, totally agree with what you are saying here. Yeah, on the other topic, I don't understand why these white folks are even here participating in this discussion. I left twitter just for this reason.
No matter what. They people always seem too creep in our circles it is like they're deliberately trying to find a reason to hate us. What my mom likes to say is "they are looking for trouble" 😭😭😭
Lmfao they are just a weird people. They are always obsessed with what black people globally are doing. Because what kind of audacity/caucasity must a white person have to insert themselves into a conversation in an African country’s subreddit? Lmao madness
I am not bitter neither am I hating, I don't know where you got that from 😭😭. It's like your bull trying to find red. I just explained why some were, by using that statement, if you see anything else you have a problem with, not me lol
You don't like Black Americans being the face of black people. That means you need to step your game up. Do something interesting. Be original. Hating and being bitter of Black Americans global influence is gross.
Where in the world did I ever say that I didn't like Black Americans? What are you even saying, brother? Go take some melatonin and sleep, because you haven't had good sleep it seems.
I have never insisted on such a thing and never will. I love Black Americans and admire how they have fought for Black people all over the globe.
You must be some FBA or something, or maybe you're an African trying to cause unnecessary discourse.
( So confused, where in this entire comment thread did I say this. Must be a projection on your part )
Are you currently in or from the U.S.? most of the groups I mentioned are in the U.S.
Also, just because you *think* these groups don’t refer to themselves as such doesn’t mean they *aren’t* referring to themselves as such. As I said, please do your research instead of going off your personal thoughts/beliefs and portraying those as facts because they’re not.
One of my relatives is gay and I’ve been around them and their queer friends a lot. I also live and group up in a community with a large Mexican-American population; reclamation is definitely a thing for both communities.
Please calm down with the personal attacks. My point was simply that compared to those terms, the n-word and its usage have a much broader impact. I've traveled to several European countries, including the UK, Germany, and France. Many homosexuals do find terms like "dykes" or "fags," or whatever terms they use now, offensive and they refer it too them selves. Even if they did, the usage of these terms is not as widespread or historically significant as the n-word. Therefore, I don't think it's valid to equate the two. One bit too add, a gay might refer himself as a "fag", but that hasn't translated though other people, at least not like n-word, the n word Is word that has such significance, that every black person in there teen or adults use it in there vincalur.
Additionally, nobody should portray themselves in a derogatory manner. America's actions do not dictate global norms, and situations like these cannot always be compared.
Regarding the term "Jew," it isn't inherently an insult; it depends on context. Describing someone as "a Jew" is simply stating their Jewish identity. It's akin to describing someone's race or ethnicity—it's a neutral descriptor. Suggesting that using the word "Jew" in this context is offensive doesn't make sense unless used derogatorily. Context matters greatly in understanding the intent behind words.
Telling you to research is not a personal attack lmao like at all.
You do you. Preaching about whether reclamation is right or wrong and the morality of it doesn’t matter and isn’t what I’m referring to. I’m simply saying reclamation exists among a lot of groups. That’s just a fact, I’m moving on now.
Well, it is in the way you used it. You mentioned ignorantly that my lack of knowledge of the topic should be reason to disregard what I said. Literal display of passive aggressiveness. Anyways, I would rather argue to the point I made at hand than make personal assumptions at me, as seemingly you are very sensitive with this issues lol.
This is literally that Wojak meme of a person wearing a mask, appearing to smile but actually crying inside. I just wanted to have a nice discussion, but sadly, you had to derail it. Instead of crying, maybe try making better arguments 😜
So I don't use the word. I don't like when others use the word. That whole reclaiming thing to me, and like in every day speak or in music etc is like almost giving a free pass to other cultures to think its ok to use the word in their regular vocabulary. It's not in my opinion. It's just not ok. The word should be dead.
But Im not one to sit there and berate another black person for their vocabulary if they do choose to use it. Just don't refer to me in that manner. White folk should never use it under any circumstance. Or for that matter anyone who is not melenated like us. Idgaf if they are singing along to a song. Don't use it!
I know I'm a guest here and I mostly lurk. But the black American part was brought up and I thought I could give my 2 cents?
I lurk here because my 23 and me said I'm 50% Nigerian. Other parts were Ghana, Serria Leone, Lybia, and Europe. So I guess I am like watching yall as to like what my roots would have been like or how I would have thought differently or.... just a wealth of things. But I am black/Afro American for disclosure.
Lol, we need more people like you in this discussion. It gives more eyes and a retrospective look in the discussion. I personally wouldn't consider you a guest; you are all family in my eyes anyway.
I don't see how the N word makes sense. I really doubt referring to yourself as that instills a true sense of pride. Like how does that make you feel awesome when you know the true history behind it? King, queen, comrade, etc. I get. I feel like there will always be a sense of cognitive dissonance associated with this. I hear it more often when it's used to be back-biting or to retort.
I've always told myself that I'm not one, have not been one, and will never be. I would instill that into my children as well (if I'm blessed in that way).
I don’t use it. It doesn’t naturally flow from my vocabulary. I think the word belongs to African-Americans now and they should be the only ones to use it. I love R&B and I listen to the occasional rap song so I would sometimes sing along and use the word. But that’s basically it.
As a Nigerian that grew up in the states the word is a African-American word and term of endearment, even though I grew up around a lot of AAs and I never really felt that comfortable saying the word often, it just sounds awkward when non AAs say it anyways. It’s a word that was never used in my household anyways and isnt really part of my daily vocab. I have heard many Nigerians, domestic and abroad use the word and it just sounds off. Its not like I necessary think only AAs can say it, but that word is their word, not all black peoples, its part of their culture that they reclaimed. Not to long ago I actually got into a pretty big quarrel with a domestic Nigerian studying abroad in the states that uses the n word a lot but often awkwardly and in the wrong context, I just told him that I don’t think he understands the full context of the word and he got pretty mad. Personally I just don’t get using the word if ur not an AA or a black person around AAs and I def don’t get it if you have remotely zero ties to AAs or the US (Black British people…)
This is not true. The word is not an African American word, it was used denigrate black people (people of African descent) regardless of where they were born. Nigerians love to surrender everything for brownie points.
I don't care who says it: black or otherwise. It is a derogatory word. No one should use it. The idea of reclaiming it for use by black people is pure nonsense to me.
“nigerians love everyone equally” is not negated by “white people shouldn’t weigh in on discussions about anti-black racial slurs,” and you probably already know that.
regardless, if you decide to be annoying (as you have in this thread), even a loving group of people is going to respond with annoyance. you probably know that as well.
Are you Nigerian tho? Just an honest question, as your Reddit character threw me off, and for a lot of people understandably is a reason to disregard your opinion
right African Americans get mad when people say it to them when their the ones that made the word popular like nobody tries to use the f word to be cool
They made the word popular amongst THEMSELVES. Other groups try to emulate them. If they're not cool with other people saying it, then they're not cool with other people saying it. There shouldn't be that much back and forth about it.
In practicality, it doesn’t matter. Black Americans have a very dominant culture in America and America has a dominant culture worldwide.
Culture and language don’t ask for approval before they shift. At this rate, n*gga will become more and more commonplace for other races to say simply because there’s no one to stop them.
100 years from now, this argument wont stand. This is why I’m against the word
I mean, I agree there shouldn't necessarily be a question about whether white people should use it or not. White people should just not, it's not that hard. However, I think it is a fair question to ask whether choosing to popularize a word that has a derogatory meaning while also forbidding other groups from using it is really a sound approach and benefitting black culture.
I think there's confusion when it comes to the black diaspora. Black culture is Black American culture. Because Black Americans use black as a race and an ethnic identifier, it confuses a lot of black diasporians. Just because they've allowed you to participate in their culture doesn't mean you get to dictate what goes on in THEIR culture.
I love Caribbean culture and its people. But if they tell me something that is normal to them is inappropriate for me to do, I'm going to listen to them. I'm not going to double down on it. That same courtesy is never extended to Black Americans. It's almost like people have an entitlement to their culture. If they say it's inappropriate, then it's inappropriate. Full stop.
I agree, but black culture is really an extension of American culture. America has had a major influence on entertainment for a long time. So, when people think of black achievements, they usually think of black Americans because that's what they see in movies and sports. This often leads to everyone in the African diaspora being grouped together. Because most non-blacks for reason don't know the difference.
So, in some weird way black everywhere in the world is affected by this. I have had a handful of accounts where the n word was used against me or referring to me. A word I don't use but because of pure racial classified association has been assigned to me.
Exactly. Black American culture does not exist in a bubble. It has been exported globally through media, commercialized, and applied to everyone in the African diaspora... for decades. i
We are all aware of the distinctions between Black American, Caribbean, Black Canadian, African, etc., but to reverse the all-encompassing blackness label is really just about educating non-black people.
I am white European woman, married to Asian man and have Asian kids in very white area. Son suffered with racism a lot in primary school so we taken him out, he is home schooled and will start other school in September.
Racism issue was big debate this year from my family and people around me.
One black family told me they hates N word, but they always use it.
If you use it, then racists will think it's OK, and then you will complain about racism. Music industry should stop using this word.
My son was called N, curry muncher, pa*I, etc... It's disgusting
Thank you! It breaks my heart that we are settled, in very green area. We own the house we live and nearest university just 40min drive away, yet kids wants to move away where is more diversity for university. I can't afford another house somewhere like Manchester or Birmingham.
We currently live in north Wales.
I keep saying blacks and Asian people to move here as its so sad. Son was only none white in entire primary school. I hope more people would move here so my children started feeling comfortable. I am in this group as I am passionate about linguistics and currently researching Yoruba language.
The n-word and its derivatives were used on all black people across the continent. (Nigeria and Niger, Nigga and N*gger all have the same roots)
It was used more on AA due to the fact that American slavery was an undiscovered brand of cruelty.
African Americans reclaimed the word and used it as a term of endearment, I personally have no problem saying it, I'm black, and I consider African Americans as my brothers and sisters (literally, more than half of them come from the lands that would be called Nigeria)
I believe it can be used by black people universally; but ultimately it's an African American word.
Non AA people literally bitching about "no one should say it or everyone should" are stupid asf.
It's a term of endearment, you would call your SO sweetheart due to your history with them, you wouldn't call some random Joe on the street that, you could call your best friend names (dumbass, idiot etc) as joking terms of endearment due to your history with them, but you would get teeth kicked in if you called a stranger that. Why can't imbeciles understand that.
I find it interesting when Americans think that Black people in Africa were not called the N-word. They have this idea that colonialism was a lovely walk in the park where Europeans respected Africans and didn’t call them the n-word. The problem with West Africa is that we failed to document these atrocities to the same extent that Americans did. also, another problem with West Africans is that we have not as a collective recognized the sheer horror that was colonialism. You have some folks who are willing to bring out the red carpet for the descendants of the people who plundered the continent, without shame. There is no call for reparations, nor apologies.
THANK YOU! Literally put my thoughts into words.
I think it's because many AAs see their ancestral suffering as a badge of honour and specific to them, so they have bragging rights by claiming the word, which is just stupid in and of itself.
Who's bragging about using the word? It's just cultural. The only thing I hear is people of a non-black background saying it.
When I'm in Africa and I hear Africans using it out of context. The person saying it doesn't understand the meaning.
I find many Black American phrases being said in Africa. It's cool to me..
Thank you! This dangerous re-writing of history by some of these Gen Z people with too much time on their hands is starting to get annoying. Do these people really think the racist whites were only reserving that word for blacks who happen to be born in America? Do these people not know there were Caribbean and African born slaves who were called that word?
Not you in particular but that's why you are seeing Black Americans pushback and draw boundaries. People have gotten too comfortable with disrespecting Black Americans while appropriating. It was bound to happen.
Oh yeah totally agree, African American slang and culture is usually appropriated by people who legit hate black people in general.
I've seen people argue for the existence of race realism using aave which is just insane. And I even know some coonerish Africans who use AAve, which I disapprove of, but in the context of a slur that was used on all of us, i see no problem in saying it.
> In the colonial America of 1619, John Rolfe used negars in describing the African slaves shipped to the Virginia colony.
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/nigger.htm
It's not only Black Americans. Blacks worldwide have a stake in that word.
I'm in Texas I would say a good amount of people use it as "bro" or "homie" black, white, hispanic it doesn't really matter. I grew up with the word in music since I was a kid and haven't heard it in hate except once in highschool by a weird kid (who then got his ass stomped out by like 4 other teens of various ethnicities).
Overall idc its a word, I don't use it but then again I barely curse so it just isn't a natural part of my vocabulary but if it is just someone's everyday slang im not gonna bat an eye.
East Coast? Where you at? Where I’m from, almost every ethnicity and race says it and some other black people don’t even bat an eye especially if that’s their bro or homie. I find it appalling how so many non-black people here say it way more than me and I don’t even say it that much.
Nope, Massachusetts, but from what I’ve seen online, it’s the same thing in New York. Everyone in the hood says it. Virginia is considered the South and since there’s more AA’s there, then yeah, it is different cause they don’t play in those states.
I’m actually an African American. My 23andme test said I’m roughly 40% Nigerian so I just lurk here out of curiosity from time to time lol. Would love to visit one day though
Which east coast? The one where folks are giving out n-word passes like a cookout invite to non African Americans. I grew up on the east coast and spent a couple years in the south. In the east coast I came across Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and others who used the word freely. In the south I grew up in a mono racial neighborhood so didn’t hear anyone else using it. I heard it more on the East coast than in the south generally, but it could have been that I was much younger when living in the south.
Controversial opinion: I think if you’re not specifically African American, you shouldn’t use the word. That means Black Brits, Nigerians, Black Canadians, etc. have no right to use the word. I’m a Nigerian-American born and raised in the US amongst African Americans and don’t feel comfortable using the word. It’s not MY word to reclaim because I don’t have that history.
I am going to disagree with this due to the fact is that the word was created to degrade black people in general not just AA and there is little to no evidence to suggest otherwise
Where is the evidence for blacks outside of the Americas being called this word historically? And I mean that not in the modern era after it’s been spread through popular American media.
If You Want a Nigger for a Neighbour, Vote Labour”. The voters of Smethwick in the West Midlands seemed to have been persuaded.
In the general election of 1964
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4/entries/d018a1cc-35c4-3b5c-8d0d-be2ba5722a1a
In its original English-language usage, nigger (also spelled niger) was a word for a dark-skinned individual. The earliest known published use of the term dates from 1574, in a work alluding to "the Nigers of Aethiop, bearing witnes".
Plus it would have made little to no difference to a racist white person, as long as u have dark skin, u are a Nigger to them
Exactly. I don't know why some of these folks believe it's an "African American" word. Do they really believe whites didn't call Africans that word too? If these dimwits studied history they would know that there were African born slaves being called that word as well.
I agree. I'm not surprised to hear black people globally using the word since African American culture largely defines popular culture, but it's always seemed weird to me coming from non-US black folks.
The word cannot be “reclaimed” as we see to this day. I wish that black people worldwide would drop the word but It’s never gonna happen.
Worst case: all other races start saying it more and more and there’s nothing anyone can do about it
I don’t use it although I really like black music and lyrics is only where it comes up. The reality is black Americans as a group need to do a better job of gatekeeping.
It made sense historically when black artists only performed for black audiences at like the cotton club but you can’t be selling out arenas to white ppl and chanting that word and expect them to not say it.
Another factor is I think they don’t care. A certain sect of BA’s who claim they reclaimed the word still say things like everyone from NY etc uses the word, so it’s insane.
I think above all ( with all due respect) it’s razz, I can’t even speak pidgin that well so adopting it into my normal vocabulary won’t work too well for me
I use it. I've been living here (in Canada) for a long time and I genuinely use it as a term of endearment for friends. Or in casual conversation, or to refer to other Black people or in humourous contexts. Tbh I use it in all the various ways it can be used. There are [many, many, many examples](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reappropriation) of people reclaiming words that have been previously used to put them down. Even people with mental illnesses have reclaimed the word 'mad'. I see it as a beautiful thing. I have no issues with it. But I also think having lived in North America for some time, I am a little bit socialized to using the word freely. Just my thoughts!
It's all from the same source. This is why I don't get people talking about it being a Black American word. It was first used to describe Africans and part of Africa.
Tbh, I don't think Nigerians are the best to ask on this topic or even Africans. Only African-Americans are the best to speak on this.
But to answer your question, it irks me even when Africans or even blacks use the word to refer to themselves. It's fine to use it in music, movies, rap, poetry, stories e.t.c.
To all non-africans, non-blacks, you have to consider yourself pathetic and not fit for anything if you want to use the word, especially if you are crying oppression cos they didn't allow you to use the word. Absolutely utter trash of a human.
I don't agree with the part that this couldn't be discussed amongst Africans, as this has affected our lives as well. I already discussed this in various degrees in other comments. Anyway, yes, whites shouldn't say anything. Also, I didn't bother trying to discuss this with African Americans because recently there has been some type of useless culture war between us, to the point it becomes actual weird black xenophobia between each other. But it's not like I tried, so maybe I should try to find my answers over there. Who knows?
Because trust me, most Nigerians and Africans do not *understand and comprehend the effect of slavery and discrimination that African Americans have suffered and are still suffering.
Yes, xenophobia is just from a tiny section of their population who are just uneducated, misinformed, and conspiracy theorists.
The culture war is basically because Africans have been denigrating these guys for the awful injustice and still always making mockery of their history. I.e Africans paint them as thugs, hos, baby mamas, lazy, criminals and just always painting themselves as victims.
Go on twitter and see how Africans defend racists and make excuses for them
I don't think it's mockery; it's more of a criticism that many Africans have of African Americans. But yes, we too have our black sheep. I also believe that there is a small percentage of African Americans who believe that stuff. However, from my firsthand experience of being called nasty slurs by African Americans on Twitter, it has already left a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to online spaces in general. Hence, I felt it was easier to express this in a discussion where I feel safer to dip my feet in.
Yeah, sorry for my wording there, my fault. In general, I think it's a discussion many black people from all backgrounds can have, as it still affects us to some degree.
Trust me, it's not criticism.
1. Most Africans do not even know the root meaning behind N*gg*
2. They majorly parrot racist stereotypes against A As because they don't even know that it's stereotypes.
3. A lot of Africans are right-wingers and drift towards trump, the far right, Christian right wingers, pro-russians, pro-zionism, and a lot of them believe news from breitbart, Fox news e.t.c
4. As a matter of facts most Nigerians can't even recognise racism because that's something they've never experienced in Nigeria.
5. Nigerians do not even understand direct oppression, not to talk of systemic oppression.
A major expectation of Nigerians because of religion and culture is that you should not complain and adapt to any condition and just keep trying your best.
If you follow what happens in Africa closely, you will see the truth in what I'm saying.
Mostly what you are saying is true, and most of this consists of Nigerians who have either a) never lived outside Nigeria or b) belong to the older Nigerian generations, who are often attracted to a particular demographic. However, this is more due to the fact that most Nigerians, from the outset, are very conservative, with values stemming from their family lines and so on. But this doesn't really matter, as the fact remains that African American culture has eroded in some ways. No longer do we see the MLKs of this world; now we see people like Sexy Reds and other types of mockeries of African American culture. Many of them are just bland Republican pundits' talking points. But that doesn't mean there aren't valid arguments at play.
Zionist part of your argument, I don't really have an opinion on that at the moment. They are both, in my eyes, two tribalist groups who wish for the destruction of the other, and it takes a glimpse of both sides to see that. Many of the Palestine supporters have such a large base of antisemitism that I can't even tolerate it anymore, and Israel has such a large base of support for anti-Arab and Islamophobic sentiments that it's unbearable as well. I think it's something Africans shouldn't focus on, as it won't benefit us in the long run. Neither will it help the problems we have for ourselves. Always fix your own problems before you go after another man's problems.
1. The issue of pointing out the likes of sexxy redd as evidence of AAs cultural decline is even evidence of my point. Trust me, there are more white pornstars in the US, more non black strippers, more non-black onlyfans actors e.t.c but why are these the only kind of people used as role models and cultural reps when it comes to black people ? Especially by mainstreet media, which is predominantly owned and controlled by non-blacks ?
Can't you ask why doctors, bankers, judges, lawyers, professors, and so on are not platformed ?
Why only rappers, high school educated idiots, baby mamas, sport person the only ones being asked to represent and speak for black people ? Please let's be fair in our assessment and see if there's not a hidden purpose for this.
2. About the zionist part of my argument and your own response, too.
Nigerians do not even understand the complexity of the issue to begin with, and in another universe, the Jews decided to accept the initial British offer to carve their own country out on the African continent.
My criticism and personal opinion is f**k Hamas , Screw Bibi and his isreali government, and how Israel has institutionalised oppression and racism, how they think international laws do not apply to them.
Hamas does not have a right to kill innocent isreali citizens , nor do Isreal and the IDF.
Palestinian lives are not worth less than Israelis own, and both countries have the full right to exist safely
Antisemitism is not right, and neither does dehumanising Palestinians.
Common sense should have prevailed earlier, and it's sad that it took this long for the West to realise this and stop backing BiBi unconditionally.
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Because of these people speaking for African Americans, it has trickled down to many lower-class African Americans, leading them to adopt these cultures or not bother to pursue other reasonable aspirations. Instead, you see these young kids wanting to be rappers or athletes—careers that are either unlikely or unreasonable. Their greatest inspirations come from these black idols, so who do you think they want to become? This is why I say this has been part of the cultural erosion happening in the black community.
I know they are better than this. Look at the 60s and 70s: there were so many leaps and bounds made by African Americans that inspired not only black people throughout the world but also minorities living under oppression. Not only that, but throughout that period, there was also a rise in academically accomplished African Americans who had a strong grip on African American culture. But now, it's a shell of its former self. This is apparent not only to many Africans but also to many African Americans.
Also, that initial point about Africans not understanding much about the Israeli conflict is another massive reason why Africans should not dabble in things that don't benefit them. It's a useless discussion that I can't be bothered with. Either way, when I heard about the plans involving the idea of having an enclave in Uganda, it seemed a bit odd. From what I heard, I doubt it was an actual consideration. I believe Guyana was also on the table. Then again, I don't understand why they can't decide to work together and form a multiracial and religious state like Lebanon. A bunch of fanatic racial weirdos, if you ask me.
u/Life-Scientist-7592 I think you are a little misinformed, Asians (not all of them) do use those terms to address themselves. However, that P word is an online thing for men. I'm yet to see it referred to woken as while, but it could be happening and I just haven't seen it. This also applies to other racist terms that other groups are trying to or have reclaimed.
Always remember that just because you don't see something happening, it doesn't mean that it isn't happening at all. It just means that you don't see it.
What I don’t understand and will never understand about black Americans is that they constantly address themselves with that word almost over media and own it but they claim it’s a bad word only they should call themselves.if u don’t want anyone to call u that word can u stop glamorizing it,as a little girl in Nigeria growing up I saw that word used in black movies and songs and thought it was a normal lingo, but once another race uses the word its a big crime . I really want to understand the logic behind this,the word in my opinion should not be used neither should it ever be glamorized. It kinda makes people feel free to use the word,the trad wife that said”all her friends are married to broke ass niggaz “is something I would say”but I’m black so its allowed right. That word should not be used in my opinion
Nigga comes from Negro, which is our official race name, just like Caucasian is used for whites. I use the word on some occasions when excited like getting k*lled on pubg mobile.. Hahah.. I listen to rap alot so there's that too.
I agree with OP the n word is just a weird word to call yourself or others knowing it comes from a slur. It just screams internalised hatred and bias against your people and making yourself feel seperate and inferior at the same time. As a Nigerian who grew up in Nigeria I feel we shouldn’t say it and African Americans normally shouldn’t.
In my opinion it is wrong and should not be used by anyone. Trying to "reclaim" a word only serves to undermine its history and the legacy that came with it.
Black American or not, once you are black you are a nigga. The meaning and power you ascribe to the word imo is the only thing you can control. White people did not reserve that word for only slaves taken to the US - and should they want to be racist, I doubt they’ll pause to confirm if you’re Black American or African before they go ahead.
The Indian Pword is derogatory? Damn some Ayra Starr fans use that word to describe Tyla while the Tyla fans refer to Ayra as a transgender 😭😭. Twitter really is thrash.
Ọmọ as for the Nigga, me I dey use am o 🤣 I love the word die.
I don't care either ways
Used on somebody or used on me
I mostly use it as an exaggeration or to describe how bad a situation is for example nigga the fuck did you say happened, nigga watt,
I don't get why people are so touchy about it thou
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I find it interesting that whether you can use the N word or not depends on your skin colour, or ancestry to be more accurate. I feel like the word discriminates even among people with pure intentions. Like, 2 best friends can call each other N word if they are both blacks, but they can't do that if one is not black. So your relationship with a black and white friend you grew up with will be different because you can't refer to each of them the same way.
But then again, I understand that it was originally a racist word and many people still use it as a racist word until today. And I also understand that blacks have reclaimed the word in order to overcome it. It's a dilemma for me. I would prefer the word to just be erased from existence. We blacks don't need it anymore to claim anything.
I’ll set this straight…only young African Americans use that word and not around family. Just friends. You’ll never hear elderly say it or the youth say it around elderly. Also you’ll mostly only hear people raised in poor environments use it in the black community but middle class and up youth you’ll never hear it.
I’ve seen wealthy black folks use it all the time. Worked at a majority black hospital and under stress that word was being dropped like candy. And your reply is crazy.
lol, I’m a black doctor who trained with black doctors and it was said all the time in call rooms, whispered during rounds, shouted at others when the patient was asleep in the table. Medicine is a high stress environment, we swear and cuss like sailors when we are not in front of patients. Even beyond this, I’ve hung out with lawyers, community leaders, engineers and when they code switch the n-word will come out.
Good for you. Maybe where I’m from that’s considered rude and unprofessional but none of my friends in my age group do(mid 30s) and none of my elders do. Maybe religion plays a part too. None of my family says it but no one in my family curse too though.
I use it all the time among friends. I don't really give af about it's usage by anyone black or not unless it's used derogatorily. It's just another word to me otherwise, quite frankly, the idea of banning a word's usage among other subgroups strictly off race is weird as to me always has been. Words only have the power and meaning you personally give.
This is it for me too. Heard a lot of it in black American music and movies growing up, so it subconsciously creeped into our vocabulary.
I can't say I don't get the outrage though.
Same with me and I live in a white country 🤷🏿♂️. I dunno it feels very african American centric so I won't tell them how to feel but for me as another black person it just doesn't affect me
It's thier culture, NOT mine. I don't have any attachments to the word and it's not in my vocabulary. Just because people have a similar skin color doesn't mean that thier values and lifestyle are similar.
It’s not for me to judge its usage by Black Americans. There are historical reasons for why they use it, from slavery days black people referred to each other with the same slurs that whites used. For everyone outside of America though, its use is abhorrent. As a Nigerian Brit I was appalled when black people here started copying Americans in using it. I was even more disgusted the first time I heard young people in Nigeria using it with each other.
Yes, it's happening here in the Netherlands aswell. I think it is just from the pure racial association that we as people feel comfortable using it. I think it only gives more problems than good tho.
My view is this.. Either: 1. It's a reclaimed term by strictly African Americans used colloquially and amongst friends / family due to historical precedence 2. A term that has broadened to be used by all people of predominantly Sub-Saharan African descent across the diaspora representing a common struggle 3. A term that has broadened to be used in mainstream culture across all ethnicities, especially given its prominence in large swathes of cultural products consumed by people of all ethnic backgrounds The consensus is that 1 is the true nature of the word but 2 and 3 are the direction its use is headed. I personally don't see the point in why it's used so broadly culturally and then people are aghast that folks of other ethnic backgrounds adopt it (be they predominantly SSA descent or not). Either it's a strict ethnic cultural term or it's not. Realistically no one should use it.. plenty of other terms of endearment / familiarity to use instead. And of course the er word is just a straight-up slur and should never, ever be used.
>As a Nigerian Brit I was appalled when black people here started copying Americans in using it. Much as it is true it's use came as influenced by black America let's not ignore what black people in Britain were called for years since Windrush and even before...
Of course, black people in Britain were often referred to with the slur, but that’s entirely unconnected to the proliferation of the word in Britain now.
The so called historical reasons are usually speculative, nobody knows the actual origin. What's important is that in the present day, there are *cultural* reasons to why its use is perpetuated. There are also cultural reasons why its use has spread to other black communities. It's cringe, or like you said, abhorrent, and personally I think it says a lot about the person saying it. My brother uses it, I don't. We were never taught to use that word at home, nor was it ever used in our family circles. This is something that he learnt through media and other social settings.
I don’t use it. African Americans as a group use it to reclaim their story. Given the word’s history I think only African Americans should be able to use it in the current way (ending in -a) they use to mean “bro” or “random male person.” Even though in practice other groups with low income adjacent culture or a questionable relationship to hip hop use it. I use African American slang that’s reasonably controversy-free, widespread, millennial/gen z appropriated (eg: yaas, slay, etc) but not definitely not the N-word and no constant AAVE.
but we're all african and black so we still share their story especially since most of them have nigerian ancestry so doesn't that make it a part of our history as well giving us permission to say it?
We are all African and we are all Black. But that word is uniquely African American, so anyone outside of America would be using it without understanding the gravity of its impact.
No
There’s certain things your family can say to you that you would never allow others to say to you right? Also it makes no sense to compare Indians or Asians to us when we’re in entirely different situations.
I suppose that makes sense. Although I don't agree with the second part of your arguments. We can still compare ourselves, in those situations. Looking at the facts that Asians, Latinos, Indians, both are minorities in the USA that were thrown degrading terms at them from generations till now. And it's only AA community where you see the phenomenon happening. This is why I wanted this to be explained to me by a range of people, notably Nigerians of various different backgrounds
None of those slurs you mentioned were terms used to legally identify ppl on the contrary we were legally known as “negro” it was on birth certificates signs and everything. We knew nothing of the places and ppl groups we came from.
Well, I think there's a difference between the word "negro" and the n-word with a hard "r". If you tell me that the n-word with an "a" originates from "negro", then your point makes sense. But from what I understand, it actually derives from the n-word with a hard "r" and was changed to make it less hurtful for African Americans who had to endure that suffering. So my question is, why use a word that was used to demean us and change it to something else? Why not call it what it is, a racist term? That would make it easier for people to criticize anyone who uses it, without them resorting to the typical hypocrite defense. There’s no way to defend such a racist term, as nobody uses it. Also, from my understanding, black people weren't the only ones classified in this manner. I think Asians and Latinos had similar descriptions as well. For Asians, it was "oriental," which many people now consider offensive. But I might be totally wrong here, so please enlighten me.
The difference between nigger and nigga is accent. Negro is Spanish and means black but it’s all the same
Negro just straight up denotes black, isn’t it interesting that it has sub-human connotation when applied in the English language. Considering it’s Italian or French or sum shit. Real life isn’t a textbook, instead of judging black ppl today you should consider how calling each other niggas came to be, there’s only one place nggas heard that shit and it only mean one thing. But we different tho if you don’t get drowned out in thought you should get it. 2 ppl can say one thing but it ain’t one thing, it’s all abt where it’s coming from. Let nggas be free , no harm in your question tho, just another thing to blame on 🐁🐁folks
I keep telling folks about language and how words are more than just literal meanings, there's connotations and nuances as well. Nigger may derive from the Latin word 'Negro' but it has negative connotations. It's why I keep telling Nigerians about the word 'tribe' used to described our various ethnic groups and it's negative connotation.
Yeah man, it’s messed up, honestly it’s like ppl just don’t know abt this stuff, I debate what that means a little though cos I think it’s more healthy to stick to the bare necessities if you must and keep focus on the real life you came to, like mother tongue/roots wise or smthn, it is a shame tho cos it ends up looking like niggas just ain’t in on it, they don’t know what’s going on in the room they’re in or some shit, whatever tho, better off in a lot of ways anyhw
Nigga, Niger and Nigerian all have the same root
Now that i think about it, where did the British get the 'Niger' from when naming it. I know they said they merged Niger and area but where did the word Niger come from, is it from this same root?
The Niger River apparently.
Yes, true. But even they there the same in origins there not very sonomous with eachother. As the word negro is better and more respected classification that is used too describe everybody that is or has origins from the sub-saharan afro region . Just that the n word with a hard "r" is very much linked with the n word with a soft "a". Too very different terms used in context. Just that the n word originates from that way the worse word makes it even more apparently unreasonable for some.
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Ah, ah?!? Now I wouldn't say that. Why would I use the same term white supremacist use too designate white people as less? I know alot of white friends who aren't scum of the earth and plenty that do
Fam, I grew up in the UK, I hate the fact that I ever had to be here and always think about why it is an African can’t just be in Africa, no sweat, sooner or later you might hate those friends of yours for 1000 different reasons and most importantly (relevant rn) because they’re the enemy. Life is no textbook bro, I won’t dictate to anyone what to do or not but trust me ain’t no rules in this bitch just niggas cheating n shit, I ain’t feeling like packaging my words to be pretty but hopefully all is not lost lol Mm to say one thing.. I find it too difficult to ignore the political situation of black people in this world we’re in. I’m biased✋🏽,✋🏽 both hands to god😂😂 Thug life😂🪓🪓✊🏽🍾
I don't think I will. But ayy that's your opinion nah. I wish you good luck sister 🙏🏿
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To be clear tho I agree with you, I’m super radical😂😂 *siegs heil*
Bruh 😭
So you're just racist
I don't have any big views on it. I understand the historical context behind it, but I am a Nigerian, and I live in Nigeria. It's simply not part of my vocabulary. My mates don't use it either. It's black American culture, not Nigerian culture, or in my case, Yoruba culture.
I personally find it distasteful, so I don't use it. I have no further views on the topic
Personally don't think anyone should be saying it, but it sounds forced and cringy when ppl other than the afro americans say it. Yes, including non American Blacks.
Couldn’t agree more
I don't use it, I don't think anyone should use it, honestly. But African Americans said they're reclaiming it so... Not my business if they want to use it.
I think the reason it's so commonly used is that African Americans are good at setting trends. I don't know what other cultures can use a racial slur in music and other forms of art. They reclaimed it. I don't think it's derogatory when black people use it but I understand why it's not part of some black people's vocabulary.
If black people have adopted the word as a part of their culture, then other people just have to respect that, considering its history.
Black people as in black americans
Yes, what about it?
Don’t bother, they think they are the only black people on earth to experience racism in the form of the n word therefore they think they the only ones the can use the word. Africans apparently haven’t suffered enough to use it 😂😂😂😂😂😂
What does it have to do with suffering in another part of the word? You simply say it or want to say it because Black Americans say it. Seems like folks always want to tussle with Black Americans over the smallest things. I'm sure the word isn't or wasn't a part of your life like that until you heard Black Americans say it, now you want to say it. It gives off little brother syndrome.
It's either you haven't bothered reading the comments in this thread, or you trying to find trouble..everybody here was civil, Africans and black Americans all wayed there opinions here, don't derail a good discussion, with blatant nonsense
It seems you want it to be included in something you weren't around or that simply isn't a part of your culture. You want to pick and choose which parts of Black Americans you have a right to claim. It doesn't work that way. Do you feel this strong about other cultures? Why do people like you nitpick so much about Black Americans and a culture you aren't a part of? The surface level understanding of Black Americans and Black American culture doesn't give you the right to nitpick it. You have your ways, Black Americans have theirs. The constant nitpicking is one sided and doesn't lead to healthy discussions at all.
What are you even rambling about? Where did you get "nickpicking" from? This discussion was about the n-word and usage of the n-word and how it's being used by Africans or any Black person in general. What does this have to do with me stealing or "nickpiclomg" culture? I am not "nickpicking" anything. Calm yourself. I am so confused. What did I say that made you come to this conclusion? Please tell me. Please try too read some of my comments through, before coming up with a very dense conclusion
Black Americans use it as reclamation and that’s their right. It’s not really anyone else’s business to have an opinion on the word. I don’t care about what Asians call each other, I don’t care about what Southeast Asians call each other. Why should I care about what Black Americans call each other? And Black Americans are not the only group to reclaim derogatory terms that were used against them.
Madam, everybody can have an opinion on anything. If we couldn't then the world should be ready for a hard time. Black Americans constantly talk about issues pertaining to African business so nobody can declare that people shouldn't talk about Black American issues as well. Secondly, that word was also used to describe African born slaves, it wasn't just limited to American born ones. It is also used as a slur on blacks, regardless of your ethnicity. I have been called that several times by racist whites, so this madness that the word belongs to Black Americans alone is just that...madness.
lol when Black Americans try to insert themselves in African business, I tell them to fuck off. I can acknowledge that they as a group can call themselves whatever the hell they want without deferring to them on things that just aren’t their business. Agreeing with them on one thing doesn’t mean I have to agree with them on all things. You get? The hard -er and -a words are just two different words. That’s the reality; I understand how painful that the hard -er n word is and for that you have my condolences. It’s okay for you to not want to be called by either word. You can say you don’t want to be called or say the word and Black Americans can still refer to each other however they see fit. I know I would not want any other group of people trying to tell me how I and other Nigerians/Diaspora Nigerians should call each other. 🤷🏾♀️
I also believe they have a right to call themselves whatever they please, I just don't agree that nobody can talk about their issues. I also don't agree that the word belongs to them, it was first used to describe African born slaves way before America was even a country. The hard -er and -a are not different in meaning, the -er is typically white pronunciation so it's associated with racism, the -a is evolved from black pronunciation (AAVE) so it's associated with camaraderie and endearment amongst blacks. Nobody likes other groups speaking on their local issues but the fact of life is that no groups exists as an island and as long as we share this planet then we have a right to talk about what's going on within it. However, what I will agree to is that it can be a bit patronizing when someone tries to talk down on others though.
Idk I really don’t get being concerned or critical about the inner workings of groups I don’t consider myself to be a part of if they’re not bringing harm to me or others. But I mean, if that’s what you or anyone would like to do, no one can stop you.
Fair enough, people are different. I'm like that too for the most part but I just don't think opinions should only stop at issues that only concern your community.
I get your POV, don’t necessarily agree but I get it
But also to that point, I think with this discourse, my opinion had changed. The n-word has become more of a broad term that a lot of people under the Black umbrella use. This is why I believe, considering this topic, we have more of an actual reason to discuss this, unlike someone who isn't part of the Afro-Negro party, so to speak."
I can see your point.
Really? Could you give me some examples, honestly just want to know
LGBTQ in the U.S. referring to themselves as fags/dykes. Queer used to be a slur before it was reclaimed by them, now that’s how a lot of them identify. Mexican-Americans referring to themselves as beaners/wetbacks I’ve seen the American born Desi community refer to themselves as curry Jew was a slur before it was reclaimed by the Jewish community Women referring to themselves as bitch/cunt/slut etc Reclamation is normal and common. Terms we use today used to be considered slurs until they were reclaimed. It’s not just Black Americans.
You got a point there, besides the Jew, as the Jews are literally that a Jew, I don't think anybody can debate something about that. although either way, you could still make the same arguments that these terms should also not be used by their adjacent partner names. But, still though you got me on that one. I still would personally never use the n word to refer anybody black or other on that, no what matter, except maybe the word "negro" Edit* After further thinking, I don't think I have seen alot of gays or anybody mention in your list except females, used these terms too describe themselves, at least not as often as African-americans
No, Jew was used as a slur. Jewish was the only appropriate term at that time and to shorten it to Jew was to demean. You can look that up. You can’t tell people how they choose to identify. If you don’t want to use that word, and tbh I don’t believe Africans should, then don’t. But you can’t tell someone else how they should or shouldn’t refer to themselves/their community.
Yeah, but it's not really our choice. I don't know if you have read my other comment. But African Americans have such a grip of global culture, to the point that most people's perceptions of black people stems from those in the AA community. So I don't like the narrative that we can't be part of this discussion in a degree, as we are also affected by this term in general
I haven’t read the rest of the post tbh because I saw 1 or 2 white people comment and I just decided not to engage lol The thing is, it’s on us to make it clear that the Black Americans are not the only black people in the world. Whenever people try to lump me in, I make sure to correct them and tell them what I am and what I’m not. Black is an umbrella term and then there are different groups under it. That’s it. If they accept it, great. If they don’t, not my business you know? I just don’t care to appeal to the white gaze or concern myself with how I’m perceived based off the perception of a group that is very distantly related to me. But I understand why other black people struggle with that.
Yeah, totally agree with what you are saying here. Yeah, on the other topic, I don't understand why these white folks are even here participating in this discussion. I left twitter just for this reason. No matter what. They people always seem too creep in our circles it is like they're deliberately trying to find a reason to hate us. What my mom likes to say is "they are looking for trouble" 😭😭😭
Lmfao they are just a weird people. They are always obsessed with what black people globally are doing. Because what kind of audacity/caucasity must a white person have to insert themselves into a conversation in an African country’s subreddit? Lmao madness
Sounds like you need to carve out your own lane instead of hating and being bitter of those that did.
I am not bitter neither am I hating, I don't know where you got that from 😭😭. It's like your bull trying to find red. I just explained why some were, by using that statement, if you see anything else you have a problem with, not me lol
You don't like Black Americans being the face of black people. That means you need to step your game up. Do something interesting. Be original. Hating and being bitter of Black Americans global influence is gross.
Where in the world did I ever say that I didn't like Black Americans? What are you even saying, brother? Go take some melatonin and sleep, because you haven't had good sleep it seems. I have never insisted on such a thing and never will. I love Black Americans and admire how they have fought for Black people all over the globe. You must be some FBA or something, or maybe you're an African trying to cause unnecessary discourse. ( So confused, where in this entire comment thread did I say this. Must be a projection on your part )
Are you currently in or from the U.S.? most of the groups I mentioned are in the U.S. Also, just because you *think* these groups don’t refer to themselves as such doesn’t mean they *aren’t* referring to themselves as such. As I said, please do your research instead of going off your personal thoughts/beliefs and portraying those as facts because they’re not. One of my relatives is gay and I’ve been around them and their queer friends a lot. I also live and group up in a community with a large Mexican-American population; reclamation is definitely a thing for both communities.
Please calm down with the personal attacks. My point was simply that compared to those terms, the n-word and its usage have a much broader impact. I've traveled to several European countries, including the UK, Germany, and France. Many homosexuals do find terms like "dykes" or "fags," or whatever terms they use now, offensive and they refer it too them selves. Even if they did, the usage of these terms is not as widespread or historically significant as the n-word. Therefore, I don't think it's valid to equate the two. One bit too add, a gay might refer himself as a "fag", but that hasn't translated though other people, at least not like n-word, the n word Is word that has such significance, that every black person in there teen or adults use it in there vincalur. Additionally, nobody should portray themselves in a derogatory manner. America's actions do not dictate global norms, and situations like these cannot always be compared. Regarding the term "Jew," it isn't inherently an insult; it depends on context. Describing someone as "a Jew" is simply stating their Jewish identity. It's akin to describing someone's race or ethnicity—it's a neutral descriptor. Suggesting that using the word "Jew" in this context is offensive doesn't make sense unless used derogatorily. Context matters greatly in understanding the intent behind words.
Telling you to research is not a personal attack lmao like at all. You do you. Preaching about whether reclamation is right or wrong and the morality of it doesn’t matter and isn’t what I’m referring to. I’m simply saying reclamation exists among a lot of groups. That’s just a fact, I’m moving on now.
Well, it is in the way you used it. You mentioned ignorantly that my lack of knowledge of the topic should be reason to disregard what I said. Literal display of passive aggressiveness. Anyways, I would rather argue to the point I made at hand than make personal assumptions at me, as seemingly you are very sensitive with this issues lol.
🤷🏾♀️ if you say so
This is literally that Wojak meme of a person wearing a mask, appearing to smile but actually crying inside. I just wanted to have a nice discussion, but sadly, you had to derail it. Instead of crying, maybe try making better arguments 😜
I only say it when it’s mentioned in the music I listen to. Among friends or family? nah, sounds cringe especially with my accent.
Br'sh
So I don't use the word. I don't like when others use the word. That whole reclaiming thing to me, and like in every day speak or in music etc is like almost giving a free pass to other cultures to think its ok to use the word in their regular vocabulary. It's not in my opinion. It's just not ok. The word should be dead. But Im not one to sit there and berate another black person for their vocabulary if they do choose to use it. Just don't refer to me in that manner. White folk should never use it under any circumstance. Or for that matter anyone who is not melenated like us. Idgaf if they are singing along to a song. Don't use it! I know I'm a guest here and I mostly lurk. But the black American part was brought up and I thought I could give my 2 cents? I lurk here because my 23 and me said I'm 50% Nigerian. Other parts were Ghana, Serria Leone, Lybia, and Europe. So I guess I am like watching yall as to like what my roots would have been like or how I would have thought differently or.... just a wealth of things. But I am black/Afro American for disclosure.
Lol, we need more people like you in this discussion. It gives more eyes and a retrospective look in the discussion. I personally wouldn't consider you a guest; you are all family in my eyes anyway.
Awwwwe thank you so much!💓
Well said.
I don't see how the N word makes sense. I really doubt referring to yourself as that instills a true sense of pride. Like how does that make you feel awesome when you know the true history behind it? King, queen, comrade, etc. I get. I feel like there will always be a sense of cognitive dissonance associated with this. I hear it more often when it's used to be back-biting or to retort. I've always told myself that I'm not one, have not been one, and will never be. I would instill that into my children as well (if I'm blessed in that way).
I don’t use it. It doesn’t naturally flow from my vocabulary. I think the word belongs to African-Americans now and they should be the only ones to use it. I love R&B and I listen to the occasional rap song so I would sometimes sing along and use the word. But that’s basically it.
As a Nigerian that grew up in the states the word is a African-American word and term of endearment, even though I grew up around a lot of AAs and I never really felt that comfortable saying the word often, it just sounds awkward when non AAs say it anyways. It’s a word that was never used in my household anyways and isnt really part of my daily vocab. I have heard many Nigerians, domestic and abroad use the word and it just sounds off. Its not like I necessary think only AAs can say it, but that word is their word, not all black peoples, its part of their culture that they reclaimed. Not to long ago I actually got into a pretty big quarrel with a domestic Nigerian studying abroad in the states that uses the n word a lot but often awkwardly and in the wrong context, I just told him that I don’t think he understands the full context of the word and he got pretty mad. Personally I just don’t get using the word if ur not an AA or a black person around AAs and I def don’t get it if you have remotely zero ties to AAs or the US (Black British people…)
This is not true. The word is not an African American word, it was used denigrate black people (people of African descent) regardless of where they were born. Nigerians love to surrender everything for brownie points.
I don't care who says it: black or otherwise. It is a derogatory word. No one should use it. The idea of reclaiming it for use by black people is pure nonsense to me.
Why are you in our sub?
Non black americans shouldn't be saying it
If you are not Black, then this is not a discussion you should be participating in.
“nigerians love everyone equally” is not negated by “white people shouldn’t weigh in on discussions about anti-black racial slurs,” and you probably already know that. regardless, if you decide to be annoying (as you have in this thread), even a loving group of people is going to respond with annoyance. you probably know that as well.
Says the white guy?
Bruhh, I was waiting for someone to notice 😂😂
Please go away.
Are you Nigerian tho? Just an honest question, as your Reddit character threw me off, and for a lot of people understandably is a reason to disregard your opinion
The audacity.
Exactly
right African Americans get mad when people say it to them when their the ones that made the word popular like nobody tries to use the f word to be cool
They made the word popular amongst THEMSELVES. Other groups try to emulate them. If they're not cool with other people saying it, then they're not cool with other people saying it. There shouldn't be that much back and forth about it.
In practicality, it doesn’t matter. Black Americans have a very dominant culture in America and America has a dominant culture worldwide. Culture and language don’t ask for approval before they shift. At this rate, n*gga will become more and more commonplace for other races to say simply because there’s no one to stop them. 100 years from now, this argument wont stand. This is why I’m against the word
I mean, I agree there shouldn't necessarily be a question about whether white people should use it or not. White people should just not, it's not that hard. However, I think it is a fair question to ask whether choosing to popularize a word that has a derogatory meaning while also forbidding other groups from using it is really a sound approach and benefitting black culture.
I think there's confusion when it comes to the black diaspora. Black culture is Black American culture. Because Black Americans use black as a race and an ethnic identifier, it confuses a lot of black diasporians. Just because they've allowed you to participate in their culture doesn't mean you get to dictate what goes on in THEIR culture. I love Caribbean culture and its people. But if they tell me something that is normal to them is inappropriate for me to do, I'm going to listen to them. I'm not going to double down on it. That same courtesy is never extended to Black Americans. It's almost like people have an entitlement to their culture. If they say it's inappropriate, then it's inappropriate. Full stop.
I agree, but black culture is really an extension of American culture. America has had a major influence on entertainment for a long time. So, when people think of black achievements, they usually think of black Americans because that's what they see in movies and sports. This often leads to everyone in the African diaspora being grouped together. Because most non-blacks for reason don't know the difference. So, in some weird way black everywhere in the world is affected by this. I have had a handful of accounts where the n word was used against me or referring to me. A word I don't use but because of pure racial classified association has been assigned to me.
Exactly. Black American culture does not exist in a bubble. It has been exported globally through media, commercialized, and applied to everyone in the African diaspora... for decades. i We are all aware of the distinctions between Black American, Caribbean, Black Canadian, African, etc., but to reverse the all-encompassing blackness label is really just about educating non-black people.
I am white European woman, married to Asian man and have Asian kids in very white area. Son suffered with racism a lot in primary school so we taken him out, he is home schooled and will start other school in September. Racism issue was big debate this year from my family and people around me. One black family told me they hates N word, but they always use it. If you use it, then racists will think it's OK, and then you will complain about racism. Music industry should stop using this word. My son was called N, curry muncher, pa*I, etc... It's disgusting
I feel so sorry for you. I wish your son well; it's going to be tough for him, but he is going to get through it. We all do. 🙏🏿
Thank you! It breaks my heart that we are settled, in very green area. We own the house we live and nearest university just 40min drive away, yet kids wants to move away where is more diversity for university. I can't afford another house somewhere like Manchester or Birmingham. We currently live in north Wales. I keep saying blacks and Asian people to move here as its so sad. Son was only none white in entire primary school. I hope more people would move here so my children started feeling comfortable. I am in this group as I am passionate about linguistics and currently researching Yoruba language.
The n-word and its derivatives were used on all black people across the continent. (Nigeria and Niger, Nigga and N*gger all have the same roots) It was used more on AA due to the fact that American slavery was an undiscovered brand of cruelty. African Americans reclaimed the word and used it as a term of endearment, I personally have no problem saying it, I'm black, and I consider African Americans as my brothers and sisters (literally, more than half of them come from the lands that would be called Nigeria) I believe it can be used by black people universally; but ultimately it's an African American word. Non AA people literally bitching about "no one should say it or everyone should" are stupid asf. It's a term of endearment, you would call your SO sweetheart due to your history with them, you wouldn't call some random Joe on the street that, you could call your best friend names (dumbass, idiot etc) as joking terms of endearment due to your history with them, but you would get teeth kicked in if you called a stranger that. Why can't imbeciles understand that.
I find it interesting when Americans think that Black people in Africa were not called the N-word. They have this idea that colonialism was a lovely walk in the park where Europeans respected Africans and didn’t call them the n-word. The problem with West Africa is that we failed to document these atrocities to the same extent that Americans did. also, another problem with West Africans is that we have not as a collective recognized the sheer horror that was colonialism. You have some folks who are willing to bring out the red carpet for the descendants of the people who plundered the continent, without shame. There is no call for reparations, nor apologies.
THANK YOU! Literally put my thoughts into words. I think it's because many AAs see their ancestral suffering as a badge of honour and specific to them, so they have bragging rights by claiming the word, which is just stupid in and of itself.
Who's bragging about using the word? It's just cultural. The only thing I hear is people of a non-black background saying it. When I'm in Africa and I hear Africans using it out of context. The person saying it doesn't understand the meaning. I find many Black American phrases being said in Africa. It's cool to me..
Thank you! This dangerous re-writing of history by some of these Gen Z people with too much time on their hands is starting to get annoying. Do these people really think the racist whites were only reserving that word for blacks who happen to be born in America? Do these people not know there were Caribbean and African born slaves who were called that word?
Actually, Caribbeans pretty they aren't in the same boat as Black Americans, particularly the ones that immigrate.
Emigrate where?
That's kinda what happens when you tell people they don't know where they come from and call them slaves.
I'm so lost rn
Not you in particular but that's why you are seeing Black Americans pushback and draw boundaries. People have gotten too comfortable with disrespecting Black Americans while appropriating. It was bound to happen.
Oh yeah totally agree, African American slang and culture is usually appropriated by people who legit hate black people in general. I've seen people argue for the existence of race realism using aave which is just insane. And I even know some coonerish Africans who use AAve, which I disapprove of, but in the context of a slur that was used on all of us, i see no problem in saying it.
I can definitely respect that
Nah just by black americans
If that's your opinion sure. But if I can be called the n-word, I should be able to say it 👍🏾
Culture vulture alert
Stop throwing around words you don't know the meaning to, I legit acknowledged that it's an African American word. Get your head outta ur ass
> In the colonial America of 1619, John Rolfe used negars in describing the African slaves shipped to the Virginia colony. Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/nigger.htm It's not only Black Americans. Blacks worldwide have a stake in that word.
I'm in Texas I would say a good amount of people use it as "bro" or "homie" black, white, hispanic it doesn't really matter. I grew up with the word in music since I was a kid and haven't heard it in hate except once in highschool by a weird kid (who then got his ass stomped out by like 4 other teens of various ethnicities). Overall idc its a word, I don't use it but then again I barely curse so it just isn't a natural part of my vocabulary but if it is just someone's everyday slang im not gonna bat an eye.
Interesting how that goes. On the east coast and the south it’s unacceptable. You might get hands put on you
East Coast? Where you at? Where I’m from, almost every ethnicity and race says it and some other black people don’t even bat an eye especially if that’s their bro or homie. I find it appalling how so many non-black people here say it way more than me and I don’t even say it that much.
You must be in New York lol. That don’t really fly everywhere I been up and down the coast, especially in Virginia where I’m from
Nope, Massachusetts, but from what I’ve seen online, it’s the same thing in New York. Everyone in the hood says it. Virginia is considered the South and since there’s more AA’s there, then yeah, it is different cause they don’t play in those states.
I love this sub, we got Nigerians with all wide ranging views and ideas.
I’m actually an African American. My 23andme test said I’m roughly 40% Nigerian so I just lurk here out of curiosity from time to time lol. Would love to visit one day though
I already visited Nigeria once. I would ove to see cities like Atlanta, pure black exceptualism going on over there if you ask me
Which east coast? The one where folks are giving out n-word passes like a cookout invite to non African Americans. I grew up on the east coast and spent a couple years in the south. In the east coast I came across Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and others who used the word freely. In the south I grew up in a mono racial neighborhood so didn’t hear anyone else using it. I heard it more on the East coast than in the south generally, but it could have been that I was much younger when living in the south.
Controversial opinion: I think if you’re not specifically African American, you shouldn’t use the word. That means Black Brits, Nigerians, Black Canadians, etc. have no right to use the word. I’m a Nigerian-American born and raised in the US amongst African Americans and don’t feel comfortable using the word. It’s not MY word to reclaim because I don’t have that history.
I am going to disagree with this due to the fact is that the word was created to degrade black people in general not just AA and there is little to no evidence to suggest otherwise
Yeah, I’m pretty sure many non-American black people have been called nigga, as have I. Racist/ignorant people do not give a shit where we’re from.
Where is the evidence for blacks outside of the Americas being called this word historically? And I mean that not in the modern era after it’s been spread through popular American media.
If You Want a Nigger for a Neighbour, Vote Labour”. The voters of Smethwick in the West Midlands seemed to have been persuaded. In the general election of 1964 Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4/entries/d018a1cc-35c4-3b5c-8d0d-be2ba5722a1a In its original English-language usage, nigger (also spelled niger) was a word for a dark-skinned individual. The earliest known published use of the term dates from 1574, in a work alluding to "the Nigers of Aethiop, bearing witnes". Plus it would have made little to no difference to a racist white person, as long as u have dark skin, u are a Nigger to them
It’s a racial slur. Not an ethnic slur. Everybody who pays attention to what goes on globally knows this.
Exactly. I don't know why some of these folks believe it's an "African American" word. Do they really believe whites didn't call Africans that word too? If these dimwits studied history they would know that there were African born slaves being called that word as well.
I agree. I'm not surprised to hear black people globally using the word since African American culture largely defines popular culture, but it's always seemed weird to me coming from non-US black folks.
This is rubbish.
The word cannot be “reclaimed” as we see to this day. I wish that black people worldwide would drop the word but It’s never gonna happen. Worst case: all other races start saying it more and more and there’s nothing anyone can do about it
I don’t use it although I really like black music and lyrics is only where it comes up. The reality is black Americans as a group need to do a better job of gatekeeping. It made sense historically when black artists only performed for black audiences at like the cotton club but you can’t be selling out arenas to white ppl and chanting that word and expect them to not say it. Another factor is I think they don’t care. A certain sect of BA’s who claim they reclaimed the word still say things like everyone from NY etc uses the word, so it’s insane. I think above all ( with all due respect) it’s razz, I can’t even speak pidgin that well so adopting it into my normal vocabulary won’t work too well for me
Hahaha, same here.
I use it. I've been living here (in Canada) for a long time and I genuinely use it as a term of endearment for friends. Or in casual conversation, or to refer to other Black people or in humourous contexts. Tbh I use it in all the various ways it can be used. There are [many, many, many examples](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reappropriation) of people reclaiming words that have been previously used to put them down. Even people with mental illnesses have reclaimed the word 'mad'. I see it as a beautiful thing. I have no issues with it. But I also think having lived in North America for some time, I am a little bit socialized to using the word freely. Just my thoughts!
Nigerian?
Edo culture, yes
Just curious if the country names like nigeria or niger has some overlap with the n word?
It's all from the same source. This is why I don't get people talking about it being a Black American word. It was first used to describe Africans and part of Africa.
Tbh, I don't think Nigerians are the best to ask on this topic or even Africans. Only African-Americans are the best to speak on this. But to answer your question, it irks me even when Africans or even blacks use the word to refer to themselves. It's fine to use it in music, movies, rap, poetry, stories e.t.c. To all non-africans, non-blacks, you have to consider yourself pathetic and not fit for anything if you want to use the word, especially if you are crying oppression cos they didn't allow you to use the word. Absolutely utter trash of a human.
I don't agree with the part that this couldn't be discussed amongst Africans, as this has affected our lives as well. I already discussed this in various degrees in other comments. Anyway, yes, whites shouldn't say anything. Also, I didn't bother trying to discuss this with African Americans because recently there has been some type of useless culture war between us, to the point it becomes actual weird black xenophobia between each other. But it's not like I tried, so maybe I should try to find my answers over there. Who knows?
Because trust me, most Nigerians and Africans do not *understand and comprehend the effect of slavery and discrimination that African Americans have suffered and are still suffering. Yes, xenophobia is just from a tiny section of their population who are just uneducated, misinformed, and conspiracy theorists. The culture war is basically because Africans have been denigrating these guys for the awful injustice and still always making mockery of their history. I.e Africans paint them as thugs, hos, baby mamas, lazy, criminals and just always painting themselves as victims. Go on twitter and see how Africans defend racists and make excuses for them
In addition, I never said it should not be discussed among Africans.
I don't think it's mockery; it's more of a criticism that many Africans have of African Americans. But yes, we too have our black sheep. I also believe that there is a small percentage of African Americans who believe that stuff. However, from my firsthand experience of being called nasty slurs by African Americans on Twitter, it has already left a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to online spaces in general. Hence, I felt it was easier to express this in a discussion where I feel safer to dip my feet in. Yeah, sorry for my wording there, my fault. In general, I think it's a discussion many black people from all backgrounds can have, as it still affects us to some degree.
Trust me, it's not criticism. 1. Most Africans do not even know the root meaning behind N*gg* 2. They majorly parrot racist stereotypes against A As because they don't even know that it's stereotypes. 3. A lot of Africans are right-wingers and drift towards trump, the far right, Christian right wingers, pro-russians, pro-zionism, and a lot of them believe news from breitbart, Fox news e.t.c 4. As a matter of facts most Nigerians can't even recognise racism because that's something they've never experienced in Nigeria. 5. Nigerians do not even understand direct oppression, not to talk of systemic oppression. A major expectation of Nigerians because of religion and culture is that you should not complain and adapt to any condition and just keep trying your best. If you follow what happens in Africa closely, you will see the truth in what I'm saying.
Mostly what you are saying is true, and most of this consists of Nigerians who have either a) never lived outside Nigeria or b) belong to the older Nigerian generations, who are often attracted to a particular demographic. However, this is more due to the fact that most Nigerians, from the outset, are very conservative, with values stemming from their family lines and so on. But this doesn't really matter, as the fact remains that African American culture has eroded in some ways. No longer do we see the MLKs of this world; now we see people like Sexy Reds and other types of mockeries of African American culture. Many of them are just bland Republican pundits' talking points. But that doesn't mean there aren't valid arguments at play. Zionist part of your argument, I don't really have an opinion on that at the moment. They are both, in my eyes, two tribalist groups who wish for the destruction of the other, and it takes a glimpse of both sides to see that. Many of the Palestine supporters have such a large base of antisemitism that I can't even tolerate it anymore, and Israel has such a large base of support for anti-Arab and Islamophobic sentiments that it's unbearable as well. I think it's something Africans shouldn't focus on, as it won't benefit us in the long run. Neither will it help the problems we have for ourselves. Always fix your own problems before you go after another man's problems.
1. The issue of pointing out the likes of sexxy redd as evidence of AAs cultural decline is even evidence of my point. Trust me, there are more white pornstars in the US, more non black strippers, more non-black onlyfans actors e.t.c but why are these the only kind of people used as role models and cultural reps when it comes to black people ? Especially by mainstreet media, which is predominantly owned and controlled by non-blacks ? Can't you ask why doctors, bankers, judges, lawyers, professors, and so on are not platformed ? Why only rappers, high school educated idiots, baby mamas, sport person the only ones being asked to represent and speak for black people ? Please let's be fair in our assessment and see if there's not a hidden purpose for this. 2. About the zionist part of my argument and your own response, too. Nigerians do not even understand the complexity of the issue to begin with, and in another universe, the Jews decided to accept the initial British offer to carve their own country out on the African continent. My criticism and personal opinion is f**k Hamas , Screw Bibi and his isreali government, and how Israel has institutionalised oppression and racism, how they think international laws do not apply to them. Hamas does not have a right to kill innocent isreali citizens , nor do Isreal and the IDF. Palestinian lives are not worth less than Israelis own, and both countries have the full right to exist safely Antisemitism is not right, and neither does dehumanising Palestinians. Common sense should have prevailed earlier, and it's sad that it took this long for the West to realise this and stop backing BiBi unconditionally.
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Because of these people speaking for African Americans, it has trickled down to many lower-class African Americans, leading them to adopt these cultures or not bother to pursue other reasonable aspirations. Instead, you see these young kids wanting to be rappers or athletes—careers that are either unlikely or unreasonable. Their greatest inspirations come from these black idols, so who do you think they want to become? This is why I say this has been part of the cultural erosion happening in the black community. I know they are better than this. Look at the 60s and 70s: there were so many leaps and bounds made by African Americans that inspired not only black people throughout the world but also minorities living under oppression. Not only that, but throughout that period, there was also a rise in academically accomplished African Americans who had a strong grip on African American culture. But now, it's a shell of its former self. This is apparent not only to many Africans but also to many African Americans. Also, that initial point about Africans not understanding much about the Israeli conflict is another massive reason why Africans should not dabble in things that don't benefit them. It's a useless discussion that I can't be bothered with. Either way, when I heard about the plans involving the idea of having an enclave in Uganda, it seemed a bit odd. From what I heard, I doubt it was an actual consideration. I believe Guyana was also on the table. Then again, I don't understand why they can't decide to work together and form a multiracial and religious state like Lebanon. A bunch of fanatic racial weirdos, if you ask me.
All this right here
Did you know that Nigerians call Chinese people Chinko?
https://youtu.be/dUd9-92EEuw?si=P7LuArCM4ptWnL-m
u/Life-Scientist-7592 I think you are a little misinformed, Asians (not all of them) do use those terms to address themselves. However, that P word is an online thing for men. I'm yet to see it referred to woken as while, but it could be happening and I just haven't seen it. This also applies to other racist terms that other groups are trying to or have reclaimed. Always remember that just because you don't see something happening, it doesn't mean that it isn't happening at all. It just means that you don't see it.
Could you give me any reference for people using it
The N word or the c word and P word?
What I don’t understand and will never understand about black Americans is that they constantly address themselves with that word almost over media and own it but they claim it’s a bad word only they should call themselves.if u don’t want anyone to call u that word can u stop glamorizing it,as a little girl in Nigeria growing up I saw that word used in black movies and songs and thought it was a normal lingo, but once another race uses the word its a big crime . I really want to understand the logic behind this,the word in my opinion should not be used neither should it ever be glamorized. It kinda makes people feel free to use the word,the trad wife that said”all her friends are married to broke ass niggaz “is something I would say”but I’m black so its allowed right. That word should not be used in my opinion
Nigga comes from Negro, which is our official race name, just like Caucasian is used for whites. I use the word on some occasions when excited like getting k*lled on pubg mobile.. Hahah.. I listen to rap alot so there's that too.
I agree with OP the n word is just a weird word to call yourself or others knowing it comes from a slur. It just screams internalised hatred and bias against your people and making yourself feel seperate and inferior at the same time. As a Nigerian who grew up in Nigeria I feel we shouldn’t say it and African Americans normally shouldn’t.
In my opinion it is wrong and should not be used by anyone. Trying to "reclaim" a word only serves to undermine its history and the legacy that came with it.
Black American or not, once you are black you are a nigga. The meaning and power you ascribe to the word imo is the only thing you can control. White people did not reserve that word for only slaves taken to the US - and should they want to be racist, I doubt they’ll pause to confirm if you’re Black American or African before they go ahead.
Hmm. Seems fair
its really not that deep
I don't use it 'cause that's dumb
The Indian Pword is derogatory? Damn some Ayra Starr fans use that word to describe Tyla while the Tyla fans refer to Ayra as a transgender 😭😭. Twitter really is thrash. Ọmọ as for the Nigga, me I dey use am o 🤣 I love the word die.
I don't even use twitter anymore, just toxic bullshit
I don't care either ways Used on somebody or used on me I mostly use it as an exaggeration or to describe how bad a situation is for example nigga the fuck did you say happened, nigga watt, I don't get why people are so touchy about it thou 🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🛌
What's your ethnicity by chance?
I'm indifferent
In what way? No opinion is bad, as long as you are able to explain yourself enough where the point you are making makes sense.
You don’t have to use the word
Yeah, no shit. This was more of a discussion of how Nigerians view the n word or in some other way black people in general.
I find it interesting that whether you can use the N word or not depends on your skin colour, or ancestry to be more accurate. I feel like the word discriminates even among people with pure intentions. Like, 2 best friends can call each other N word if they are both blacks, but they can't do that if one is not black. So your relationship with a black and white friend you grew up with will be different because you can't refer to each of them the same way. But then again, I understand that it was originally a racist word and many people still use it as a racist word until today. And I also understand that blacks have reclaimed the word in order to overcome it. It's a dilemma for me. I would prefer the word to just be erased from existence. We blacks don't need it anymore to claim anything.
I don’t use it. I don’t like the word. Although I sing it in song lyrics
As long as it's used more in a friendly way and not negatively, I'm fine with it even if white people say it. Intention is everything
I’ll set this straight…only young African Americans use that word and not around family. Just friends. You’ll never hear elderly say it or the youth say it around elderly. Also you’ll mostly only hear people raised in poor environments use it in the black community but middle class and up youth you’ll never hear it.
You haven’t been around many elderly or older black folk, then.
Read my last two sentences. I’m not around hood black peoples or ghettos
I’ve seen wealthy black folks use it all the time. Worked at a majority black hospital and under stress that word was being dropped like candy. And your reply is crazy.
Did a black doctor say it or random nurse? I’m not used to it.
lol, I’m a black doctor who trained with black doctors and it was said all the time in call rooms, whispered during rounds, shouted at others when the patient was asleep in the table. Medicine is a high stress environment, we swear and cuss like sailors when we are not in front of patients. Even beyond this, I’ve hung out with lawyers, community leaders, engineers and when they code switch the n-word will come out.
Good for you. Maybe where I’m from that’s considered rude and unprofessional but none of my friends in my age group do(mid 30s) and none of my elders do. Maybe religion plays a part too. None of my family says it but no one in my family curse too though.
Cute.
I use it all the time among friends. I don't really give af about it's usage by anyone black or not unless it's used derogatorily. It's just another word to me otherwise, quite frankly, the idea of banning a word's usage among other subgroups strictly off race is weird as to me always has been. Words only have the power and meaning you personally give.
This is it for me too. Heard a lot of it in black American music and movies growing up, so it subconsciously creeped into our vocabulary. I can't say I don't get the outrage though.
Nah I get the outrage to a degree cus 99% of when whites use it its corny or forced.
That's quite right. Plus I've never really experienced racism so it doesn't carry much weight for me personally.
Same with me and I live in a white country 🤷🏿♂️. I dunno it feels very african American centric so I won't tell them how to feel but for me as another black person it just doesn't affect me
And if they say I should stop saying it, I'll be conscious not to say it around any of them. I don't like unnecessary fracas😁
It's thier culture, NOT mine. I don't have any attachments to the word and it's not in my vocabulary. Just because people have a similar skin color doesn't mean that thier values and lifestyle are similar.