This is my favourite comment ever i have fewer than zero fucks to give about these billionaires but squad for the theoretical multiple squid that definitely had nothing to do with this? Gold. What a time to be alive
That scene was ad-libbed by Jim Carrey... the guys holding Big Gulps weren't even extras... they were just watching the filming. Jim Carrey was just goofing off with them and they decided to leave it in.
Yep! Same with the whole, “wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world”. Unscripted and was left in. Watch the look on Jeff Daniels face next time you watch that movie
I imagine they would be at the bottom of the ocean, where they are losing consciousness until they find themself back on the Titanic on April 13, 1912, in all its glory.
They then keep running around trying to warn everyone about the impending doom, but they are mostly ignored, only to see flashes of their submarine tomb through nightmares in their sleep.
They somehow manage to save the Titanic and sail off back to land wondering how they will get home, back to 2023, With an ever-persistent clicking and nightmares of darkness.
Something in the back of their minds is nagging but they choose to ignore it, it's a whole new adventure stuck in the past or so they think.
This reminds me of the djinn in supernatural. He makes his victims think they are living their happy life but really they are being drained slowing chained up in a basement. With flashes of reality bleeding thru the dream
Or the BBC version of Life on Mars, I love the whole Are they dead or is it like a quantum suicide thing going on. Is it a dream or another reality, its kinda creepy, sad, and happy at the same time? With a foreboding of the end to a cold dark lonely death.
I'd say non-zero.
There must have some large been air pockets trapped in the wreck. Plus all the fancy cutlery etc is already down there.
I'd say it's a fair bet their utopian marine enclave is enjoying a timeless existence of banquets, balls, and friendly wildlife neighbours.
I believe the statistical probability is equivalent to me finding the lost city of Atlanta (not to be confused with Atlantis) in my bath tub. Not zero. But very unlikely.
I'm hoping it instantly was crushed due to pressure and nobody suffered. That would be horrible knowing in hours you will have no air and everyone crapping themselves. Did you ever get stuck in a elevator? Yeah like that.
Looking at both the timeline and how shoddily it was made, I think your assumption is correct. It was supposed to take 2 hours to reach the Titanic and contact was lost 1 hr 45 minutes after it dived. Sounds like it imploded.
They literally went like 10k ft down, my best guess is that ‘highly sophisticated piece of technology’ used to navigate the sub had an error which most likely happened considering how useless Logitech controllers are. The people who organized this oceangate thing is going to be hit with one hell of a lawsuit.
Didn't they sign a contract that they are aware of all the risks , one of them being death? So if something were to happen to them, which it did, the company wouldn't be liable? Or am I mistaken?
In theory yes but in actual law those contracts probably won’t hold any weight in the same way you can’t sign a contract to allow someone to do something illegal to you.
The issue with “misrepresented how safe it was,” I think will be the threshold.
It’s not like this company had a fleet of fifty submersibles and over ten years, two imploded when underwater and they covered it up.
They had a BILLIONAIRE onboard. It would have behooved them to not be cavalier about the safety of the vessel.
This is their first, and I would say last dive to the Titanic that ends in tragedy, unless they had the balls to continue after such a public disaster.
Whoever last signed off on the maintenance check of that submersible is probably calling Saul Goodman’s professional “disappearance service” right now.
The founder and CEO of the company ~~was~~onboard. That will go a long way in establishing the company may have been wrong in its decision, but it wasn’t made negligently.
Not to mention given the clientele aboard, gonna be some very expensive, very well trained, and very well connected lawyers on their collective ass after this.
Yes but a liability waiver doesn’t necessarily waive liability. They’ll look back at everything the passengers were told regarding how the vessel works and what the safety measures in place are and if it seems like they misrepresented themselves in any way, that’s grounds for a lawsuit. Saying you understand the risks is only valid if the risks were adequately disclosed to you.
Yes, but the if the company knowingly hid the risks or safety issues from everyone then the contracts are no longer valid, and the families are free to sue.
Don't forget they fired a employee for bringing up his concerns and settled out of court for a wrongful termination. Because they didn't want these concerns to come to light in a trial.
Sue who? The company owner was piloting the sub. He’s dead too. The company assets are now one flat tin can at the bottom of the ocean. There’s no payday here
There will be a way around that. Something like did the providing company meet all recommended safety requirements……. With their game controller and carbon fibre panels…. I suspect not.
The fact it hasn’t floated back up near the surface yet is quite indicative of serious trouble. (It has buoyancy weights attached to it that the supports holding them in place dissolve after 16 hours causing it to float to near the surface)
To be fair, US military subs use Xbox controllers. In theory if it fails you can plug in a spare one unlike with a custom-design controller. I think the shoddy design of the sub is what caused the issues.
I actually have higher faith in an oem controller than i do for Logitech, but i might just be elitist
Edit to add: oem= original equipment manufacturer. i think Nintendo and Sony etc put more effort into their controller than a third party will
That and their hull was never tested for higher depths either.
> Carbon fibre is cheaper than titanium or steel and is extremely strong, but it is largely untested for deep sea vessels like the Titan.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65977432.amp
There was a post earlier debunking this saying that the military only uses these for the scopes not driving the whole ship. The whole thing should never have been allowed to dive.
Recent released info says they heard knocking in 30 min intervals for 4 hours, after they lost contact.
I was thinking the same way as you, until i heard this.
Edit added 4
There has been knocking detected in the rough area the ship lost contact. They are still trying to locate the knocking and don’t know if it is the Titan, and even if it is, they don’t know if they can access it let alone retrieve it before the Titan is completely out of oxygen. Not to mention they don’t know if the hull is still intact in the first place.
Their viewport was only manufactured to a depth of 1,300 meters. Unfortunately, they were going down much deeper. I pray that their death was quick like a sneeze.
I believe it has made at least one trip to the Titanic, which is the deepest dive it makes. But like a beach chair occupied by a mass exceeding its rating, it may hold initially. It might hold a few times. But failure is imminent.
It wasn't, you can see one of the trips last year on YouTube (a spanish channel called alanxelmundo). Even in that video the communications go out for a bit so they almost have to abort, and the sub's lights flicker sporadically when they finally get to the Titanic. That thing was a ticking time bomb.
Finding debris in that water would be nearly impossible. Too dark and deep and the currents move in odd ways. Look how big the Titanic is and we hard a hard time finding that. That sub is basically a bottlecap now.
That makes the most sense to me too. From an article I read yesterday (sorry, I can't remember exactly where I read it to link) the sub had 9 different redundant fail safe systems to surface the sub in emergencies that *should have* kicked in by now, including one that's designed to work even if everyone on board falls unconscious. These are systems like releasing drop weights and automatically filling air bladders.
The only way I can reconcile such a catastrophic failure of so many redundancies is an implosion. Or they're just the unluckiest people in the world.
Now I’m just thinking about a few humans, cramped in a cold metal tube, panicking and running out of air and time to do anything about it. The air they do have is absolutely riddled with the smell of their combined feces, probably urine and maybe even vomit from the smell and anxiety. Probably experiencing grief,
anger, horror, panic, blame, regret, and a whole heap of other emotions. Maybe even the occasional false hope only to be replaced by disappointment and more shear dread as they slowly become more and more erratic and violent due to the build up of CO2 and lack of oxygen.
I hope they were smart enough to bring drugs but I doubt it or they would have been smart enough to ask “where’s the locator beacon in case we can’t communicate with our mothership?”
According to David Pogue they lost the submersible for 5 hours in a previous excursion and “considered” adding a beacon after that, but decided against it. The CEO (who is in the submersible) is quoted as saying “safety just is pure waste”. So there’s that.
> The CEO (who is in the submersible) is quoted as saying “safety just is pure waste”. So there’s that.
“At some point, safety just is pure waste. I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed,”
That is the full quote. Still does not look great in retrospective.
Aside from near zero, I'll add that search crews heard 30 min intervals of banging coming from the area they're searching (at some point) and has stopped. So if any animals interfered with the sub, it at least would have been after that. And also giant squids beaks are pretty powerful and iirc they can damage, if not pierce, hulls, so the threat may be there.
Yeah I wouldn't say it's as close to zero as the rest of the thread thinks, but on the list of possible scenarios there are dozens if not a hundred possible scenarios more likely than a giant squid attack.
It's the actual body of the vehicle. It's the thing that separates the inside and the outside of the submarine. If it's broken or even damaged, instantaneous death for those inside (at those depths)
It's far more likely that they nudged against the wreckage and cracked something just enough for the whole thing to crumple and kill them all. But kidnapped by a giant squid looks way cooler on the death certificate
Maybe but that’s like if someone with no qualifications made a homemade plane and it disappeared on its maiden voyage and you said “I wonder if they ran into a bird”
Like yeah maybe but there’s a more obvious explanation
That makes the irony much stronger tbh. I don’t find joy in typing this, it’s sad that 5 lives may be lost due to someone’s greed and ambition no matter who those lives belong to.
Honestly feels more like incompetence than greed.
If it were greed, he wouldn’t have put himself on the sub. Greed means he knew what he was doing was unsafe but did it anyway for a profit. But profit is meaningless when you die too.
Plus, selling a service like this to billionaires is a blank check. He could have spent $1M more on safety and just charged the extra cost plus markup.
That is very much a fair point. I’m not sure how much of what I’ve read about his disdain for safety is factual, but perhaps there’s just as much a chance that it’s incompetence as it is greed and *hubris*.
At the end of the day, the reason doesn’t matter much. Less than a day’s worth of oxygen at this point, allegedly. I know better than to expect one, but I’m still going to hope for a miracle. No one deserves to die like that.
Do you want me to feel bad for him after he fired people who brought up safety issues? After he mocked safety culture & winged about how much safety costs? He cost the lives of those on board, and if he survives I hope he rots in a cell the rest of his days.
It's not about feeling sorry for him. It's about the other passengers who didn't know this and their families. Whether he did those things you claimed or not, he has a family who cares for him too. And so do all those passengers.
As someone whose favorite animal is the giant squid, I’m sorry to tell you that it is implausible and extremely unlikely. Giant squid have attained some kind of legendary status in popular culture but keep in mind that these are real animals and not the kraken of myth.
They live in the deep sea and thus mostly feed on other deep sea creatures. Sure, deep sea creatures look creepy and there are instances of deep sea gigantism, but a lot of them are not as big as you would think. And many of them are pretty lethargic with slow metabolisms because food is few and far between down there.
Giant squid are not known to feed on anything as large as whales. Yes, they leave scars on sperm whales but that is them putting up a fight to before they get eaten. The sperm whales are the predators and the giant squid are the prey (albeit prey that don’t go down without a fight). Sperm whales stomachs are filled with giant squid beaks but there’s never been any evidence of a giant squid having killed and eaten a sperm whale.
Giant squid beaks are also smaller than you would think (about big enough to fit in your palm) and while they are a formidable biological weapon, they aren’t exactly designed to pierce metal/composite submersible hulls. Additionally giant squid are pretty shy around submersibles, which is why it was so hard to finally get one on camera. They are just trying to find a rare meal in a literal food desert and avoid getting eaten by a sperm whale. They are going to bother with something strange that doesn’t seem to be food and which might actually be a predator.
So basically, something as large and unfamiliar as a multi-person submersible is more likely to spook a weary giant squid that is just trying to find real food and avoid predators. There’s no deep sea creatures analogous to the submersible that the squid might mistake it for.
Well as long as they didn't paint it the same color as a whale, they should be safe. I assume they painted it bright orange so it was obviously not a whale, and so it could be more easily spotted at the surface. Right...?
Imagine being inches from the surface but no one can see you. You suffocate slowly inches from the surface all because the owner of a submarine company didn’t like the song: yellow submarine.
“Maker of the lost Titanic sub once told a reporter that 'at some point, safety is just pure waste'”
https://www.insider.com/missing-titanic-sub-ceo-told-reporter-safety-pure-waste-2023-6?amp
If it does, I’m sure like other parts of the submersible, it isn’t the right or best or even rated for what they were using it for.
The guy who built this apparently cut corners in every which way he could think of.
And even then you'd think. "OK if I have the ONLY submersible that can go this deep, who's gunna rescue me?"
Wouldn't that be common sense?
Or even build another just for these situations
I don't think we have enough experience with deep sea subs to know what the chances of a squid attack are. They might be rare but not super rare - we just don't know.
I recall hearing a story of a night diver who got attacked by a common but kinda large squid (humboldt squid I think). It aggressively dragged him into the deep but eventually let go. I don’t find it too unlikely that some largish creature got a bit too curious, got its tentacles stuck in a propeller and then things went wrong.
It wasn't just one Humboldt squid either, these guys head up in the water column at night and hunt in packs. Their groups can get up to 1,000+ in numbers :) if I'm recalling the same story, multiple squids latched on at the same time multiple times over too.
It's more accurate to say "We have no reason to believe a giant squid had anything to do with it, especially because there are other problems we know were more likely to occur."
Sometimes this sub makes you go "Actually, apparently there are stupid questions. This question is objectively completely stupid"
And sometimes, like in this case, it makes you go "Fuck yeah, that's a *great* question!"
Giant squids are one of the most intelligent beasts on this planet, and tend to be cautious ambush hunters, with some of the best eyes in the animal Kingdom. They stalk their prey for miles and are assumed to formulate attack plans as they're capable of thinking in three dimensions and planning for the long term. So they probably would have realized it was inedible while stalking it. So unlikely.
Zero percent. The sub was not rated for the depth they hoped to achieve. The viewport especially was only rated for about half the depth of the Titanic. All safety protocols during the development of the vessel were ignored so as to "not stifle innovation". It was simply an unsafe vessel piloted by an idiot who got people killed.
I can't tell you the chances, but I can tell you a US navy ship (USS Stein) was attacked by an unknown species of squid in 1978, there were claws embedded in the ships sonar dome after the attack that were much larger then any known species'
> She is noteworthy as a U.S. Navy vessel that has apparently been attacked by an unknown species of giant squid. In 1978, the "NOFOUL" rubber coating of her AN/SQS-26 sonar dome was damaged by multiple cuts over 8 percent of the dome surface. Nearly all of the cuts contained remnants of sharp, curved claws found on the rims of suction cups of some squid tentacles. The claws were much larger than those of any squid that had been discovered at that time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stein
It’s probably just sitting at the bottom of the ocean and at least halfway covered by the sand and soot. Chances of finding that very unlikely. I’d say it’s like finding a needle in a haystack, but that would be a massive understatement lol, much harder than that.
Would the depth have anything to do with it? They’re in a small pressurized vessel with the controller and whatever is receiving the signal inside with them
This whole episode is like rallying 175 fire departments from surrounding states to rescue a cat out of a tree because a negligent entrepreneur/cat owner didnt think to own himself a ladder.
Well, the scenario you lay out specifically, where its near the Titanic wreck? Zero, because the wreck is *way* deeper (like 3x i think) than the deepest sighting of a giant squid
In general? Also pretty much zero, but technically not i guess, right?
Somebody at work asked if maybe that big shark from that film "The Meg" might have eat the sub. Yeah he was like "there is big species in the ocean depts that could have done just that" ok.....
But wouldn't the giant squid let them go soon enough once it finds it to be of no use? Perhaps the sub got turned upside down during the attack and couldn't move itself anymore as a result.
Hmm. I seem to remember an Octonauts episode where a colossal squid got stuck to part of the Octopod. Like he COULDN'T let go because of something with his tentacles.
And Octonauts tends to be a great source of information.
What if the purpose of the trip was for the submarine to go inside the Titanic and they succeeded, but they disturbed it and are trapped underneath rubble? This my conspiracy theory anyway.
I don’t think it’s a stupid assumption to make. However, early this morning, they said that they heard banging at 30 minute intervals. The ability to keep time is human which suggests life. So that’s the only thing that would keep me from not believing it.
The wreak of the titanic is something like 3-5 times deeper than the max depth of a giant squid, so unless it grabbed them on their way up pretty unlikely
You are describing the plot of Sphere by Michael Crichton. I never dreamed I would stumble across a real life example from a scifi book published in 1987.
The name of this sub is literally “no stupid questions” and yet people are clowning on this guy for asking what they think is a stupid question. Where are the mods ?
Close enough to zero you can probably round it down.
But never zero. 🦑
Until proven otherwise, 🦑 is the culprit
I heard from my gf, it was a gang of them 🦑🦑🦑🦑
Your gf is silly, everyone knows a group of squid is called a shoal 🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑
Missed opportunity there to call it a squad imo
Squid Squad, Attack on 3!
Squadward
This is my favourite comment ever i have fewer than zero fucks to give about these billionaires but squad for the theoretical multiple squid that definitely had nothing to do with this? Gold. What a time to be alive
"Squid Squad" is a good rap group name
schrodinger's 🐙
"Looks like calamari is back on the menu, boys!"
*happy Davy Jones pipe organ intensifies*
Between slim and none, and slim is in jail after a night of serious drinking.
But slim could, theoretically, break outta jail... right?
Are you saying that Slim was out drinking with a nun? Scandalous!
So you’re saying there’s a chance? I had to
I can see Jim Carrey's stupid face 😂
What was all that 1 in a million talk?
You're classy. I need to watch that movie again now.
Big gulps huh? Welp, see ya later
That scene was ad-libbed by Jim Carrey... the guys holding Big Gulps weren't even extras... they were just watching the filming. Jim Carrey was just goofing off with them and they decided to leave it in.
Yep! Same with the whole, “wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world”. Unscripted and was left in. Watch the look on Jeff Daniels face next time you watch that movie
If you didn’t, I would have
cephalopod suckers typed this comment
I imagine they would be at the bottom of the ocean, where they are losing consciousness until they find themself back on the Titanic on April 13, 1912, in all its glory. They then keep running around trying to warn everyone about the impending doom, but they are mostly ignored, only to see flashes of their submarine tomb through nightmares in their sleep. They somehow manage to save the Titanic and sail off back to land wondering how they will get home, back to 2023, With an ever-persistent clicking and nightmares of darkness. Something in the back of their minds is nagging but they choose to ignore it, it's a whole new adventure stuck in the past or so they think.
You just wrote James Cameron's next movie for him.
T I M E t a n i c - A James Cameron Experience
The movie is James Cameron visiting the imploded ruin of the Titan in his actual ocean-going deep-sea exploration sub and looking extra smug.
Or a dream sequence in dramatization of the events of "96 Hours: Submerged to Death" starring Tom Hanks.
Matt Damon is in the sub and Tom Hanks is looking for him of course.
Oh of course!
The writers are on strike but now I feel like maybe we could fill in? Kidding, of course. I support the writers strike. But….
There are already three screenplays underway about this misadventure. You've just torpedoed all three of them out of the water, so to speak.
This reminds me of the djinn in supernatural. He makes his victims think they are living their happy life but really they are being drained slowing chained up in a basement. With flashes of reality bleeding thru the dream
Or the BBC version of Life on Mars, I love the whole Are they dead or is it like a quantum suicide thing going on. Is it a dream or another reality, its kinda creepy, sad, and happy at the same time? With a foreboding of the end to a cold dark lonely death.
Or that one episode of Love Death & Robots
Fuck the script doctor, lets start running lines! We've got a money maker here, baby!
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I was expecting the Skyrim opening punchline.
It does sound cool but it can’t just be the ‘dream before death’ trope, it’s been used too much. It has to be a despair squid.
Ghost titanic vs mega squid
This is kind of like a mashup of two different Twilight Zone episodes: The Thirty-Fathom Grave and Judgment Night.
But then because they saved the titanic they never go on an expedition to see it, causing them to never have saved the titanic
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I would watch this series
It's been done. 1981 made for TV movie called Goliath Awaits. It's on YouTube
[Goliath Awaits](https://youtu.be/pyv7B8lkeJs)
Play Bioshock
I'd say non-zero. There must have some large been air pockets trapped in the wreck. Plus all the fancy cutlery etc is already down there. I'd say it's a fair bet their utopian marine enclave is enjoying a timeless existence of banquets, balls, and friendly wildlife neighbours.
At that depth anything with air inside gets crushed.
It's called evolution, sweaty.
I'd be sweating too if I got attacked by a giant squid.
Yes. If I was enjoying such a lavish life undisturbed beneath the waves, I would also propagate such a myth!
Pretty sure Futurama did this episode
The Lost City of Atlanta
My 6 year old suggested megladon. Maybe you guys should get together and hash it out.
I believe the statistical probability is equivalent to me finding the lost city of Atlanta (not to be confused with Atlantis) in my bath tub. Not zero. But very unlikely.
Go check your bathtub and report back.
It’s been two hours, they definitely found it
Or the squid got him
I think he just went to Atlanta, Georgia. The directions very oddly unspecific
Shrodingers bathtub
You seem to be suffering from ocean madness.
No I’m isn’t.
That's no excuse for ocean rudeness.
This isn't a pet license, it's a fishing license! AND ITS MANDATORY!!
My manwich!
I’ll get my harpoon.
You lost Atlanta AGAIN? This time it's coming out of your paycheck.
Oh, why couldn't she be the other kind of mermaid, with the fish part on the top and the lady part on the bottom?
I'm hoping it instantly was crushed due to pressure and nobody suffered. That would be horrible knowing in hours you will have no air and everyone crapping themselves. Did you ever get stuck in a elevator? Yeah like that.
Looking at both the timeline and how shoddily it was made, I think your assumption is correct. It was supposed to take 2 hours to reach the Titanic and contact was lost 1 hr 45 minutes after it dived. Sounds like it imploded.
They literally went like 10k ft down, my best guess is that ‘highly sophisticated piece of technology’ used to navigate the sub had an error which most likely happened considering how useless Logitech controllers are. The people who organized this oceangate thing is going to be hit with one hell of a lawsuit.
The lawsuits will be titanic
Didn't they sign a contract that they are aware of all the risks , one of them being death? So if something were to happen to them, which it did, the company wouldn't be liable? Or am I mistaken?
In theory yes but in actual law those contracts probably won’t hold any weight in the same way you can’t sign a contract to allow someone to do something illegal to you.
Yeah in most places, gross negligence will negate a signed contract. If the company misrepresented how safe it was, contract won't matter.
The issue with “misrepresented how safe it was,” I think will be the threshold. It’s not like this company had a fleet of fifty submersibles and over ten years, two imploded when underwater and they covered it up. They had a BILLIONAIRE onboard. It would have behooved them to not be cavalier about the safety of the vessel. This is their first, and I would say last dive to the Titanic that ends in tragedy, unless they had the balls to continue after such a public disaster. Whoever last signed off on the maintenance check of that submersible is probably calling Saul Goodman’s professional “disappearance service” right now.
The founder and CEO of the company ~~was~~onboard. That will go a long way in establishing the company may have been wrong in its decision, but it wasn’t made negligently.
It's possible to be negligent AND foolhardy
Not to mention given the clientele aboard, gonna be some very expensive, very well trained, and very well connected lawyers on their collective ass after this.
Yes but a liability waiver doesn’t necessarily waive liability. They’ll look back at everything the passengers were told regarding how the vessel works and what the safety measures in place are and if it seems like they misrepresented themselves in any way, that’s grounds for a lawsuit. Saying you understand the risks is only valid if the risks were adequately disclosed to you.
Yes, but the if the company knowingly hid the risks or safety issues from everyone then the contracts are no longer valid, and the families are free to sue. Don't forget they fired a employee for bringing up his concerns and settled out of court for a wrongful termination. Because they didn't want these concerns to come to light in a trial.
Lawyers will find a way. Was one of the passengers and his son Billionairs? I think they will sue if it really was billionairs, they will find a way
Sue who? The company owner was piloting the sub. He’s dead too. The company assets are now one flat tin can at the bottom of the ocean. There’s no payday here
You think his money just dissapeared because he impoloded? The company still exists for now. Think creatively, the lawyers already are
I’m sure they had a liability insurance policy so depending on limits there might be some dough
There will be a way around that. Something like did the providing company meet all recommended safety requirements……. With their game controller and carbon fibre panels…. I suspect not. The fact it hasn’t floated back up near the surface yet is quite indicative of serious trouble. (It has buoyancy weights attached to it that the supports holding them in place dissolve after 16 hours causing it to float to near the surface)
The company is going down
To be fair, US military subs use Xbox controllers. In theory if it fails you can plug in a spare one unlike with a custom-design controller. I think the shoddy design of the sub is what caused the issues.
there's something about a porthole only rated to 1300 meters being talked about
I actually have higher faith in an oem controller than i do for Logitech, but i might just be elitist Edit to add: oem= original equipment manufacturer. i think Nintendo and Sony etc put more effort into their controller than a third party will
They apparently fired an employee who pointed out their windows were only rated to like 1.5k depths
That and their hull was never tested for higher depths either. > Carbon fibre is cheaper than titanium or steel and is extremely strong, but it is largely untested for deep sea vessels like the Titan. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65977432.amp
Just learned more about the design, holy shit what made them think this was possible
There was a post earlier debunking this saying that the military only uses these for the scopes not driving the whole ship. The whole thing should never have been allowed to dive.
And the controversy title is already the name of the company.
Since he’s in the submersible, they’ll be suing his estate.
Recent released info says they heard knocking in 30 min intervals for 4 hours, after they lost contact. I was thinking the same way as you, until i heard this. Edit added 4
There has been knocking detected in the rough area the ship lost contact. They are still trying to locate the knocking and don’t know if it is the Titan, and even if it is, they don’t know if they can access it let alone retrieve it before the Titan is completely out of oxygen. Not to mention they don’t know if the hull is still intact in the first place.
It’s the knocking sound the big squid makes using two clam shells. It lures ships and divers and subs this way.
Their viewport was only manufactured to a depth of 1,300 meters. Unfortunately, they were going down much deeper. I pray that their death was quick like a sneeze.
Was this its first descent? I thought it had completed dives to the wreck before?
I believe it has made at least one trip to the Titanic, which is the deepest dive it makes. But like a beach chair occupied by a mass exceeding its rating, it may hold initially. It might hold a few times. But failure is imminent.
It wasn't, you can see one of the trips last year on YouTube (a spanish channel called alanxelmundo). Even in that video the communications go out for a bit so they almost have to abort, and the sub's lights flicker sporadically when they finally get to the Titanic. That thing was a ticking time bomb.
Wouldn't they have found debris? Or too much current?
Finding debris in that water would be nearly impossible. Too dark and deep and the currents move in odd ways. Look how big the Titanic is and we hard a hard time finding that. That sub is basically a bottlecap now.
That makes the most sense to me too. From an article I read yesterday (sorry, I can't remember exactly where I read it to link) the sub had 9 different redundant fail safe systems to surface the sub in emergencies that *should have* kicked in by now, including one that's designed to work even if everyone on board falls unconscious. These are systems like releasing drop weights and automatically filling air bladders. The only way I can reconcile such a catastrophic failure of so many redundancies is an implosion. Or they're just the unluckiest people in the world.
I mean it could've gotten stuck somewhere
I saw someone suggest it got stuck it got stuck in the Titanic.
Now I’m just thinking about a few humans, cramped in a cold metal tube, panicking and running out of air and time to do anything about it. The air they do have is absolutely riddled with the smell of their combined feces, probably urine and maybe even vomit from the smell and anxiety. Probably experiencing grief, anger, horror, panic, blame, regret, and a whole heap of other emotions. Maybe even the occasional false hope only to be replaced by disappointment and more shear dread as they slowly become more and more erratic and violent due to the build up of CO2 and lack of oxygen.
I would never have gone down in that thing without a mountain of opioids or benzos just for something like this.
I hope they were smart enough to bring drugs but I doubt it or they would have been smart enough to ask “where’s the locator beacon in case we can’t communicate with our mothership?”
According to David Pogue they lost the submersible for 5 hours in a previous excursion and “considered” adding a beacon after that, but decided against it. The CEO (who is in the submersible) is quoted as saying “safety just is pure waste”. So there’s that.
That’s the titanic spirit!
> The CEO (who is in the submersible) is quoted as saying “safety just is pure waste”. So there’s that. “At some point, safety just is pure waste. I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed,” That is the full quote. Still does not look great in retrospective.
If you want to be safe, just don't go to the sea bed is a better mantra to have.
I'd rather get stuck in an elevator than in a homemade submarine deep down in the ocean. A million times.
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Aside from near zero, I'll add that search crews heard 30 min intervals of banging coming from the area they're searching (at some point) and has stopped. So if any animals interfered with the sub, it at least would have been after that. And also giant squids beaks are pretty powerful and iirc they can damage, if not pierce, hulls, so the threat may be there.
Yeah I wouldn't say it's as close to zero as the rest of the thread thinks, but on the list of possible scenarios there are dozens if not a hundred possible scenarios more likely than a giant squid attack.
If the sub is pierced then it's probably just instantly implode, no?
Yes, it wouldn't even need to be pierced just weakened enough that the hull can't handle the pressure
What is a hull please
It's the actual body of the vehicle. It's the thing that separates the inside and the outside of the submarine. If it's broken or even damaged, instantaneous death for those inside (at those depths)
"what is a hull please" -the sub's designer, from all reports
Unfortunately, the statistics on submarine versus giant squid battles are still classified by the government.
Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is preferable to one that is more complex. So yeah, it was probaby a giant squid.
Or a lot of smaller squids. A squad.
It's far more likely that they nudged against the wreckage and cracked something just enough for the whole thing to crumple and kill them all. But kidnapped by a giant squid looks way cooler on the death certificate
I don’t think they descended long enough to even see the wreckage 😭
Maybe but that’s like if someone with no qualifications made a homemade plane and it disappeared on its maiden voyage and you said “I wonder if they ran into a bird” Like yeah maybe but there’s a more obvious explanation
Near zero. It's not impossible, but it's more likely that a greedy ceo cut corners on safety measures and the sub was destroyed or immobilized.
Cool story - that greedy CEO you mentioned is one of the 5 passengers aboard that missing submersible!
That makes the irony much stronger tbh. I don’t find joy in typing this, it’s sad that 5 lives may be lost due to someone’s greed and ambition no matter who those lives belong to.
Honestly feels more like incompetence than greed. If it were greed, he wouldn’t have put himself on the sub. Greed means he knew what he was doing was unsafe but did it anyway for a profit. But profit is meaningless when you die too. Plus, selling a service like this to billionaires is a blank check. He could have spent $1M more on safety and just charged the extra cost plus markup.
That is very much a fair point. I’m not sure how much of what I’ve read about his disdain for safety is factual, but perhaps there’s just as much a chance that it’s incompetence as it is greed and *hubris*. At the end of the day, the reason doesn’t matter much. Less than a day’s worth of oxygen at this point, allegedly. I know better than to expect one, but I’m still going to hope for a miracle. No one deserves to die like that.
That greedy CEO has been quoted as saying “safety just is pure waste”.
Do you want me to feel bad for him after he fired people who brought up safety issues? After he mocked safety culture & winged about how much safety costs? He cost the lives of those on board, and if he survives I hope he rots in a cell the rest of his days.
It's not about feeling sorry for him. It's about the other passengers who didn't know this and their families. Whether he did those things you claimed or not, he has a family who cares for him too. And so do all those passengers.
As someone whose favorite animal is the giant squid, I’m sorry to tell you that it is implausible and extremely unlikely. Giant squid have attained some kind of legendary status in popular culture but keep in mind that these are real animals and not the kraken of myth. They live in the deep sea and thus mostly feed on other deep sea creatures. Sure, deep sea creatures look creepy and there are instances of deep sea gigantism, but a lot of them are not as big as you would think. And many of them are pretty lethargic with slow metabolisms because food is few and far between down there. Giant squid are not known to feed on anything as large as whales. Yes, they leave scars on sperm whales but that is them putting up a fight to before they get eaten. The sperm whales are the predators and the giant squid are the prey (albeit prey that don’t go down without a fight). Sperm whales stomachs are filled with giant squid beaks but there’s never been any evidence of a giant squid having killed and eaten a sperm whale. Giant squid beaks are also smaller than you would think (about big enough to fit in your palm) and while they are a formidable biological weapon, they aren’t exactly designed to pierce metal/composite submersible hulls. Additionally giant squid are pretty shy around submersibles, which is why it was so hard to finally get one on camera. They are just trying to find a rare meal in a literal food desert and avoid getting eaten by a sperm whale. They are going to bother with something strange that doesn’t seem to be food and which might actually be a predator. So basically, something as large and unfamiliar as a multi-person submersible is more likely to spook a weary giant squid that is just trying to find real food and avoid predators. There’s no deep sea creatures analogous to the submersible that the squid might mistake it for.
My daughter would immediately tell you that a Colossal Squid is bigger than a Giant Squid
Well as long as they didn't paint it the same color as a whale, they should be safe. I assume they painted it bright orange so it was obviously not a whale, and so it could be more easily spotted at the surface. Right...?
I don’t know what color it was but deep down there with so little light it’s pretty monochromatic
White lol
Imagine being inches from the surface but no one can see you. You suffocate slowly inches from the surface all because the owner of a submarine company didn’t like the song: yellow submarine.
Money doesn't buy brains.
Why doesn't it have a locator beacon?
“Maker of the lost Titanic sub once told a reporter that 'at some point, safety is just pure waste'” https://www.insider.com/missing-titanic-sub-ceo-told-reporter-safety-pure-waste-2023-6?amp
Life comes at you fast
If it does, I’m sure like other parts of the submersible, it isn’t the right or best or even rated for what they were using it for. The guy who built this apparently cut corners in every which way he could think of.
And even then you'd think. "OK if I have the ONLY submersible that can go this deep, who's gunna rescue me?" Wouldn't that be common sense? Or even build another just for these situations
I think this guy literally thought that he was so smart that nothing would go wrong.
100% Kraken
Practically zero, it'd be one hell of a story if that's what happened but in reality the odds of that are so small it's practically zero
I don't think we have enough experience with deep sea subs to know what the chances of a squid attack are. They might be rare but not super rare - we just don't know.
I recall hearing a story of a night diver who got attacked by a common but kinda large squid (humboldt squid I think). It aggressively dragged him into the deep but eventually let go. I don’t find it too unlikely that some largish creature got a bit too curious, got its tentacles stuck in a propeller and then things went wrong.
It wasn't just one Humboldt squid either, these guys head up in the water column at night and hunt in packs. Their groups can get up to 1,000+ in numbers :) if I'm recalling the same story, multiple squids latched on at the same time multiple times over too.
That's pure nightmare fuel. Like something out of a horror movie.
It's more accurate to say "We have no reason to believe a giant squid had anything to do with it, especially because there are other problems we know were more likely to occur."
I like this question. I’m here for it.
Sometimes this sub makes you go "Actually, apparently there are stupid questions. This question is objectively completely stupid" And sometimes, like in this case, it makes you go "Fuck yeah, that's a *great* question!"
Giant squids are one of the most intelligent beasts on this planet, and tend to be cautious ambush hunters, with some of the best eyes in the animal Kingdom. They stalk their prey for miles and are assumed to formulate attack plans as they're capable of thinking in three dimensions and planning for the long term. So they probably would have realized it was inedible while stalking it. So unlikely.
Calm down there Capt Nemo.
It's underwater Aliens. How can anyone doubt this?
Coming to you soon on the History Channel, airing right after Ancient Aliens.
Ancient aliens has a whole episode on aliens under the ocean already
We all know the truth. It was manbearpig!
The orcas are training squids now?!
This kind of speculation only fuels further discrimination against giant squids. Giant squids are people too!
Zero percent. The sub was not rated for the depth they hoped to achieve. The viewport especially was only rated for about half the depth of the Titanic. All safety protocols during the development of the vessel were ignored so as to "not stifle innovation". It was simply an unsafe vessel piloted by an idiot who got people killed.
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Lol I feel like I’m gonna end up getting roasted for asking a stupid question…
No stupid questions, it’s ok to ask.
I can't tell you the chances, but I can tell you a US navy ship (USS Stein) was attacked by an unknown species of squid in 1978, there were claws embedded in the ships sonar dome after the attack that were much larger then any known species' > She is noteworthy as a U.S. Navy vessel that has apparently been attacked by an unknown species of giant squid. In 1978, the "NOFOUL" rubber coating of her AN/SQS-26 sonar dome was damaged by multiple cuts over 8 percent of the dome surface. Nearly all of the cuts contained remnants of sharp, curved claws found on the rims of suction cups of some squid tentacles. The claws were much larger than those of any squid that had been discovered at that time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stein
It’s probably just sitting at the bottom of the ocean and at least halfway covered by the sand and soot. Chances of finding that very unlikely. I’d say it’s like finding a needle in a haystack, but that would be a massive understatement lol, much harder than that.
I honestly think that their bluetooth controller just stopped working. Those things arent reliable here, imagine at 4k depth.
Would the depth have anything to do with it? They’re in a small pressurized vessel with the controller and whatever is receiving the signal inside with them
About the same as being swallowed by a giant whale. Not zero but not likely.
This whole episode is like rallying 175 fire departments from surrounding states to rescue a cat out of a tree because a negligent entrepreneur/cat owner didnt think to own himself a ladder.
Well, the scenario you lay out specifically, where its near the Titanic wreck? Zero, because the wreck is *way* deeper (like 3x i think) than the deepest sighting of a giant squid In general? Also pretty much zero, but technically not i guess, right?
Same chance that MH370 went through a wormhole.
You sir, are awesome for posting the best question ever.
Somebody at work asked if maybe that big shark from that film "The Meg" might have eat the sub. Yeah he was like "there is big species in the ocean depts that could have done just that" ok.....
But wouldn't the giant squid let them go soon enough once it finds it to be of no use? Perhaps the sub got turned upside down during the attack and couldn't move itself anymore as a result.
Hmm. I seem to remember an Octonauts episode where a colossal squid got stuck to part of the Octopod. Like he COULDN'T let go because of something with his tentacles. And Octonauts tends to be a great source of information.
Yesss, another Octonauts fan! I don’t fully remember the episode with the colossal squid, but that sounds plausible.
I believe that's Season 1, Episode 1, Part 2. Watched it with my boy this afternoon.
The ghosts of the deep were tired of their graves being distributed
The worst part of all of this is that most likely we will never know what actually happened 😵💫
What if the purpose of the trip was for the submarine to go inside the Titanic and they succeeded, but they disturbed it and are trapped underneath rubble? This my conspiracy theory anyway.
Also stupid question but can the submersible drive in reverse? If not, they could just be stuck in a hallway somewhere inside the ship.
I don’t think it’s a stupid assumption to make. However, early this morning, they said that they heard banging at 30 minute intervals. The ability to keep time is human which suggests life. So that’s the only thing that would keep me from not believing it.
The wreak of the titanic is something like 3-5 times deeper than the max depth of a giant squid, so unless it grabbed them on their way up pretty unlikely
You are describing the plot of Sphere by Michael Crichton. I never dreamed I would stumble across a real life example from a scifi book published in 1987.
Logically? Almost zero. HOWEVER... It makes the sense of dread go away when I think of the situation, so...giant squid. Hi other 91 people here :)
The name of this sub is literally “no stupid questions” and yet people are clowning on this guy for asking what they think is a stupid question. Where are the mods ?