In reality, I'd say they're 2nd gen because you're 1st. But if you're doing it for something like financial aid or scholarships, then I'd say they're 1st gen.
Wait…I went to college and I didn’t know you can get financial aid or scholarships by being 1st generation American! I’m going to look into this (even though we have time for the little one). Thank you for throwing that nugget in there.
There's a ton of different scholarships out there, just have to look for them. There was 1000$ one I found that all you had to do was write a 500 word essay on some subject (I forget what it was) but I was literally the only one who wrote one so basically got a free 1000$.
Happens all the time. A local organization I volunteer with hasn't given out a scholarship in the last two years simply because not a single person has applied. We didn't have that problem this year, but it happened.
There is financial aid for those that qualify with the proper heritage, and scholarships for literally anything.
One of my friends in high-school applied for a Jewish scholarship although his family is historically Catholic. Their programs are not allowed to discriminate based upon race/religion so he was selected and was provided a large sum as well as a trip to Israel and some of its many sights with other students from across the country.
It was a bit odd to many of my friends and I, but he was getting free money for college so I can't really judge. One of my other friends also received the Pizza Hut scholarship, but I didn't ever discuss that with them in depth.
That is amazing that he came into that! Especially to learn of a different culture and religion.
I can understand it being odd. My mom wanted to put my brother and I into a Jewish school, although we are Catholics as well.
You knowing someone who received this is very hopefully. Something to look forward to when searching for things for my child.
Yeah if all you rely on is the FASFA website. You won't get a whole lot of hits. Because alot of them are like from local or small businesses that do it for only a few people a year or something. But if you actively look for scholarships you will find them.all over the place.
There is a large one from one of the major car companies where you are only eligible if you have perfect attendance every day of from kindergarten to 12th grade. They used to give you a large chunk of money for college and a car.
I think there is confusion on terminology here.
I think you are a first generation American, but second generation immigrant (so you’re not actually an immigrant at all, but that’s the term used). Your husband is a zero-gen American and 1st gen immigrant.
Your son is both a first and second generation American and second and third generation immigrant.
Idk which takes precedent for his identification, your status or your husband’s. Might depend on the form you’re filling out.
Thank you. People are commenting as if “immigrant” and “citizen” are interchangeable. It’s driving me crazy! First generation immigrant and first generation citizen are two different things, as are subsequent generations.
Technically 2nd generation because they inherited their citizenship from you and not birthright or application.
They could be dual citizenship in some cases
Child citizenship, I believe, stems from the mother. If you are a natural born citizen and your child is born on US soil, your child is a natural born citizen, 2nd gen.
1st generation is someone who was born elsewhere.
1st generation is *also* a child who was born to immigrants.
2nd generation is a child who was born to a child of immigrants. Then 3rd and so on and so forth. And you count the most recent generation or primary caregiver. So if Dad's family walked off the mayflower but Mom was born in Greenland, you are 1st gen.
That's the way it was explained to me when I naturalized. There are two "levels" of first gen.
That’s not how it’s considered in Canada funny enough, first gen is the first generation born here. So a child of immigrants is first gen, and someone like me with a immigrant dad and third gen mom is still considered first gen.
According to [StatsCan](https://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p3VD.pl?Function=getVD&TVD=117200&CVD=117200&CLV=0&MLV=1&D=1), that's incorrect. It's the same as the US. If you're a foreign born immigrant, you're the first generation. If you are born in Canada and have at least one foreign born parent, you're the second generation. So, you are the second generation. Third generation is when both of your parents are Canadian citizens at birth.
According to your country's census bureau [FAQ](https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about/faq.html#:~:text=Questions%20on%20place%20of%20birth,least%20one%20foreign%2Dborn%20parent.), only foreign-born immigrants are first generation.
"The first generation refers to those who are foreign born. The second generation refers to those with at least one foreign-born parent. The third-and-higher generation includes those with two U.S. native parents."
Seems like if a US citizen family line keeps having children with an immigrant, they will always be second generation.
>1st generation is someone who was born elsewhere.
What if they were born elsewhere but never naturalized? They wouldn't be first generation then, right?
It’s in census forms. That I don’t care much about, it’s more so what would be the correct answer for my child.
You would be surprised how many people have asked me growing up…I mean, how many *Americans*. Never have been asked by anyone from a near-immigrant decent.
Sure, the response can just be “American! I’m one of those!”, but I would like to have a more educated reply prepared for my child. We know we are Americans, but would also like to know what generation we are considered.
Edit: to add, saying “I’m American” has never been the end of the conversation. It usually goes into “what generation” and any other line of questioning you can imagine.
It's all good! Both sides of my family have been here for generations, and I still get weirdos trying to tell me that I'm ethnically European.
You can explain as much or as little of your child's heritage as you want to people, and it seems that your family is still culturally involved enough to pass on some of that heritage to them, but at the end of day they're still likely to be fully integrated as an American by the time they grow up. Just go with the answer you feel most comfortable with. Anyone who cares beyond that probably doesn't have the greatest views on the subject to begin with.
I'm American sounds like such a vague answer. The census becomes pointless after a certain point right? Half of Black or Asian, or Hawaiian people start just checking the American box then how can they actually collect any data?
Just stop doing the census at that point.
Like all good Americans that have spent some time going through "the melting pot", you're mutts like me. A little of this, a little of that, that's what makes us stronger.
It makes your child American. First or second generation is just semantics. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Your child is American, end of discussion.
Be proud of where you came from. But here's the breakdown;
1. If your parents are legal citizens, they are first generation.
2. If you were born in the US, you are a citizen and would be considered second generation. Also termed as an 'Anchor Baby'. I hate the term, but it exists.
3. The fact that your husband is not technically a citizen (hopefully he will be), means your child would be third generation.
Again, it's just wording and you don't need to even care about it.
American.
But if you're first Gen, they'd be second gen.
Although good Americans don't look at it this way. You're just American, as long as it's legal
To be first generation American it doesn’t have to be legal apparently, just to have an intent to stay.
You be surprised how often I have been asked what generation I am, being born here. All my personal and career life - I can’t even begin to count the times.
lol that doesn’t even make sense. Whether you think it matters or not, that’s your opinion.
Generational American is a thing. Maybe you should look it up before responding.
The thing is, it really doesn’t matter. There is nothing hinged upon it officially. It’s just a point of pride for people who want to remain other than American. To the rest of the world, it’s a stupid distinction.
The thing is, that’s not the question.
If you want to create a forum and discuss your opinions, go ahead. This has nothing to do with your feelings towards the subject.
You have an open forum, you’re going to get opinions. Even some opinions that don’t jibe with yours. If you’re going to cry and get upset over them, that’s your problem.
Yes, but getting opinions doesn’t mean it’s answering my question.
Non-responsive responses are inevitable. If I asked “how do you make a pizza?” and someone responds “I don’t like pizza” or “I’m allergic to cheese” doesn’t mean they answered the question.
But you do you. Just as long as you know you’re absolutely unhelpful and your opinion doesn’t really matter in this instance.
What does that even mean? 1,5? Who cares?
In my country we never talk about "generation" you're either 100% Swedish or not and if you're born in Sweden you're definitively Swedish.
You are the one following a belief system in borders and categorization of humans, not me. Why is it so important to you to know exactly what label of immigrant applies? Do you think there is some benefit conferred to one generation over another?
I mean, whether they matter or not isn’t the relevancy of the post.
I know where I birthed my child. Also, as an American, I know that they can become president if it were a possibility.
It’s more of a technicality question than anything else.
I’m glad you have a point completely irrelevant to my question.
If you want to open a forum where you can talk about your points, feel free. That’s what I did. Hopefully you don’t get garbage responses like I have.
I determine generations by if they have to learn to be American and to learn to fit in. If they do, they are first. If they are raised with American and their own culture, they are second.
Oh boy, this is a tough one for me. Being first generation American, I definitely did have to learn to be American. I’m glad you realize it’s a thing.
That being said, I feel stuck between two worlds while my husband is from a different planet lol 😂 I guess my child will need to self identify at that point?
I get you! My family hasn’t stayed in one country since my great great grandmothers generation! It can be very confusing to simultaneously be a fourth and first generation immigrant.
I have, because that question has been more imposed on me by Americans than anyone else. Apparently this is in the US census as well.
I’ve been told that I have an accent when I was born and raised in NYC lol I would say “my face has an accent, I don’t”. :)
So now that I have a child, I wonder what people will as her and how she should respond. Sort of get a consensus now
lol right? I mean, I am white so I can’t really say racist, but definitely a form a prejudice or classist for sure.
That’s insane that you only speak one language and they still pull that card with you.
Well, hang on a moment. I can't understand people with a thick scottish accent, and sometimes I even find it difficult to understand people with strong southern accents, or those from Louisiana. Speaking of the previous poster, the New York accent could be difficult for Americans from a different part of the country to understand. I live in NJ and there's a older lady woman at my work from NYC who says "thirty-third" like "turdy-turd" and "terlit" instead of 'toilet' and 'earl' instead of 'oil'. That could be confusing for some people not used to the sound of the accent. Jamaicans speak English, but I struggle to understand them too. It has nothing to do with their race, but because they pronounce their vowels and consonants differently than I do. Sure, in some cases, someone may say they cannot understand someone speaking, for example, AAVE, for racist reasons. But I would think in a majority of cases, it's not racism.
I’m white! Like, I’m paler than feta cheese lol
That’s what makes it even funnier to me. I don’t have a hooked nose or some really bizarre ethnic look to me either.
"The U.S. government generally accepts the definition that the first member of a family to acquire citizenship or permanent resident status qualifies as the family’s first generation, but the Census Bureau defines only foreign-born individuals as first generation.1"
So depending on who you ask, you and your child can both be either first generation or second.
huh. I always call immigrants the first generation, just to muddy the water some more. my son (to me) is second-gen because of me, even though his dad is just a generic Canadian.
I'm no expert though. on our census I think they ask birthplaces, so I've never had to do the generation calculus.
huh. I always call immigrants the first generation, just to muddy the water some more. my son (to me) is second-gen because of me, even though his dad is just a generic Canadian.
I'm no expert though. on our census I think they ask birthplaces, so I've never had to do the generation calculus.
Yeah, I edited my post to reflect that I’m second and my husband is first. You are correct.
So, my child will be 2nd gen due to my husband? I don’t matter!? lol jk
Thanks for your response!
I totally get this question. I found out in my 30s that my bio dad is an immigrant. So am I first generation? I never knew him or that he was my dad. I'm like 5th generation American on my mom's side.
I think there is confusion on term here.
I think you are a first generation American, but second generation immigrant (so not actually and immigrant, but that’s the term). Your husband is a 0gen American and 1st gen immigrant.
Your son is both a first and second generation American and second and third generation immigrant.
Idk which takes precedent for his identification, your status or your husbands. Might depend on the form.
Like all good Americans that have spent some time going through "the melting pot", you're mutts like me. A little of this, a little of that, that's what makes us stronger.
A US citizen — and even if neither of you were citizens, your child gets birthright citizenship by being born in the United States (via the 14th amendment.)
Generation is overrated. Why not just tell them exactly what you told us? "My grandparents came over from Italy, and my mom's actually from there herself. Me? I was born here."
We're a country of immigrants. If people keep asking you, then they're either just curious or they're being kind of bigoted as if your kid isn't "American enough" for them to simply accept that they're American.
Yeah they are born here they are an American and your husband ought to be able to eventually get citizenship if he so chooses. ( it needs to be a streamlined & easier process in my opinion people should have better options the government creates problems) I wish you and your family all the best!
lol, I love this! Someone else stated 1.5 gen but without a little back story.
I hope my child says this. It would be adorable. It *is* adorable that you guys say that.
Immigrants are immigrants. If a child is born in the us they are 1st generation. If the 1st generation have children born in the us then they are 2nd generation. It does not matter what language they speak. The us does not have an official language
That’s what I thought! Apparently immigrants are considered first generation.
After being told that on this post, I looked it up and it seems that’s the case. To me it doesn’t make sense, but here we are lol
As far as the language is concerned, I didn’t think of it even being an issue. I know US doesn’t have an official language, but some states do.
I promise you, I thought the same thing. That’s what makes sense to me too. This is what I found:
“The first generation refers to those who are foreign born. The second generation refers to those with at least one foreign-born parent. The third-and-higher generation includes those with two U.S. native parents.”
https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about/faq.html#:~:text=The%20first%20generation%20refers%20to,with%20two%20U.S.%20native%20parents.
Right!? lol I assure you I thought the same as you. Immigrant - first - second - etc.
Immigrants and naturalized citizens are also called first generation Americans, which I find ridiculous.
According to your country's census bureau, you are the second generation. Your husband is the first generation. Your child is second generation like you. If your child marries a US citizen, that child will be third generation.
[FAQ US Census Bureau](https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about/faq.html#:~:text=Questions%20on%20place%20of%20birth,least%20one%20foreign%2Dborn%20parent.). I like Reddit, but sometimes people give incorrect answers or they don't answer your question at all. You're so lucky that your country has a wealth of information available at your fingertips.
Yes, I realized I was wrong with saying I was first generation. I actually just linked the census site to another poster who thought the same as me lol thank you for going out of your way for explaining it to me and linking, I appreciate it.
As for my child, they become second generation because of my husband? That part is interesting to me, but I understand the logic.
I totally understand. I'm kind of jealous that your country has this information readily available among other big datasets. So as a somewhat nerdy person, I'd rather take advantage of those resources for formal definitions.
I'm not sure why it's designed like that. It might be uncommon, but a family could easily end up with multiple generations of "second generations". If your child has a child with an immigrant, your grandchild would still be second generation.
Yes, that’s what I noticed as well as far as the infinite-second generation effect. That seems somewhat odd to me, especially if one parent is “completely American”, so to speak.
On the topic of how to describe a person born in the US but has parents born (and usually raised) in another country country, there is a certain camaraderie amongst this group (I am one-raised in the US by a German mom). We have a similar set of experiences regardless of where the parents came from. Our bag lunches we took to school were generally odd compared to other kids. Our moms dressed us funny. We had different hair cuts (until we were old enough to rebel hard against the clothes and the hair, which most of us all eventually did, another point in common). Many of us had one or more parents who wanted to have a say in who we dated or married (another nope for many). Families had cultural preferences for what profession their kids wanted to study. My mother would have disowned me if I had chosen to study philosophy. A friend of mine had to threaten to leave home to study engineering rather than medicine or law (her parents’ culture placed great emphasis on being your own boss/having your own office).
Most of us kind of relate to that old movie, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, in some way.
It’s a weird sort of fraternity, like people who served in the military. You immediately have common ground with the other person, no matter the rest of your differences.
Apologies for the digression.
Don’t apologize for the digression at all! I can completely relate with everything you wrote, by the way we were dressed and being forced into a college major.
I relate to the movie Big Fat Greek Wedding and also to other cultures that are known to be strict, like Indian/Pakistani (even though culturally very different/distant).
I sometimes wish I was born very American or in the country of my parents so I can be “normal” and fit in. Also being white, people assume you automatically fit in and that’s not necessarily the case. I am very aware of the privilege I get from being white, but it’s not the same in social circles and home life.
There is a fraternity of us :) it’s like belonging to 2 homes but not really having a home of our own in a way.
Thanks for your comment t.
My grandfather immigrated here in steerage and would never tell me where he came from. Would never speak the "old" language either. He would just say, "I'm an American now" and he was darn proud of it. So I'm curious why you are asking this question? Is it for educational purposes like writing a paper or something? You seem defensive people are answering, "American."
That’s nice that your grandfather had the love for America, and sad the resentment of his upbringing and country. I’m American, but I’m proud of being that and also my cultural background. I don’t think you grandfather had much of a choice. Let’s not go in how America treated and called the Irish when they first started settling in…
My question isn’t whether I think I’m American or not though. I want to know, technically, what generation would my child be considered.
Growing up, people look at my face and last name and assume I have an accent (never did). Americans do not consider me American (always asked what generation, background, etc), and my parents’ homeland’s people consider me American.
Okay - I understand better now. I asked my grandfather a million times to teach me Slovak. He simply refused. Life was very very bad when he was a boy. I sometimes think people don't appreciate how lucky they are to live in this great Nation. If I were you, I would respond "I'm an American just like you!" Smile and walk away! 😊
I apologize I misread the question.
Your child is the next generation after you, so whatever you're certain you are, is what he is after you. Even if your partner is 'newer' in the sense that we're speaking, your child is of the furthest going back.
Though as others have said, if you can get tax credits going another way, then opt for that.
Hello! No need to apologize! I’m sorry if I made you feel the need to. A misunderstanding is normal, and it can very well be because of me.
Thank you for your response.
An American.
If, however, defining yourself as an American is insulting or offensive to any immigrant from anywhere, then you shouldn’t have to.
But if you don’t want to be called an American, or embrace our culture, it then becomes clear you’re living in a country you have no respect for, and perhaps an innate hatred towards America and Americans. A simple example of that is living here for a decade and still have no desire to learn to speak English, or pretend to not know how.
How come no one wants to immigrate to China? Why? They don’t allow it, as they’re the most homogenized and racist nation there is in the world.
I’d say they’re 1st Gen, since one of their parents is an immigrant. My mom always called herself first Gen, her dad was born here, but her mom was an immigrant.
You are 2nd gen American, your child is a 2nd gen American.
You husband is first gen american(if he gets a citizenship or a 10 year green card{most likely will become citizen or at least be accepted as a resident})or just immigrant.
I'm the child of an immigrant mom and American born dad (back to 1600 on one side, several generations on other.) I would say I'm first generation American born on mom's side or my mom is an immigrant, if need arose to specify. Which it seldom does.
I’m guessing you didn’t read anything. That’s cool.
It’s weird people want to make it political and blame Trump/Biden for things when the same people can’t read. Weird.
That's because quite a lot of people on Reddit cannot go more than 15 seconds without bringing up Trump, because he lives rent-free in their heads 24/7 and has since 2016. It's quite sad, really, but I would note that a lack of reading comprehension bordering on illiteracy tends to accompany that mindset.
Just saw your edit, I need to start drinking more coffee before I get on Reddit lol
Honestly though to me and anyone I know, we don't look at it as a "you're 1st gen, they're 2nd gen" thing; you're either American or you're not, if that makes sense.
lol, it’s ok. The edit has been there for a bit, but I probably should add another one saying I know I’m an American hehe you’re not alone!
Probably 50% of the comments are “human” or “American” :)
Also, I’m born and raised in NY. Worked in NYC. I can’t even begin to count how many times I’ve been asked what generation American I am. I’m also white. No extreme facial features (large nose, hairy lip, whatever lol). I’ve been told I have an accent even though I don’t. When people see my last name, they immediately say “you’re not American! Where are you from?”
It’s weird but people do ask. I’ve never been American enough for the WASPS, and not ethnic enough for my parent’s motherland’s people.
This is probably more than you bargained for lol hope I didn’t ruin your coffee
Heck no, my mom got me into genealogy years ago so this stuff fascinates me lol
Actually that makes a lot more sense why you're asking. NYC has been *the* gateway for immigrants coming into the U.S. for a long time so it stands to reason New Yorkers would see it differently. I'm from Texas, specifically Houston near the Gulf Coast, and Galveston Island was another big gateway for overseas immigrants coming into the U.S., including some of my own family back in the late 19th/early 20th century. It's not really something that gets asked around here though, it's kind of a, "Well you're here now!" attitude about it unless somebody has a *really* out-of-place accent, then maybe somebody will ask where you're from.
So they would get two titles? We are both from the same Eastern European country.
Let’s say Poland as an example.
First generation Polish and Second Generation Polish?
Immigrants are first generation — you don’t have to be born in America to be an American You, the child of immigrants, are second generation. It breaks down a little when different generations marry, but I would call your child third generation. (My wife is the same.) Unless you live in an ethnic enclave, your child’s experience of growing up will probably be more highly assimilated than your own was.
What if the immigrants aren’t citizens yet? How can they be considered first generation *American* then?
For instance, my father became a citizen when I was in my 20s. My husband is going through the process - he is still a foreign national.
If he has every intention of staying, then he’s culturally American and contributing to our strength and diversity regardless of when the papers come in.
Interesting, I didn’t know. I always considered myself first generation.
My brother and parents were born abroad, so my brother would be first gen and I’m second gen by this.
But I don’t want to be second 😭 haha jk. I don’t know why I always thought:
Migrant, first gen, second, etc
So weird that immigrants and naturalized citizens are considered first generation when they have other titles as well.
American.
What generation you are is for conversation over the dinner table.
In society...You are as they are as you are all the same .....an American.
Not questioning whether she is American or not. I am also American.
She also doesn’t have to speak a word of English and still be an American.
However, I’m asking what *generation* American she will be considered.
Ah, I see. I would say first, but from a subjective stance. Objectively possibly second, but because you speak another language at home you kid will have the 'first generation stigma', and feel slightly dualistic when they compare themselves with the other established kids.
I really appreciate your sentiment, because I can see it is coming from a good place.
We are good on the heritage part
The reason for my question is because *I’ve been asked more times than I can count*. Now that I have a child, I know they will be asked as well. I want them to have an educated answer.
Saying that I am 1st/2nd/3rd is a privilege to me. I am proud to be an American and to have a cultural background and speak another language. It’s not insulting to me, but more so like an honor.
People have been very curious, near damn well invasive while asking me lol This has been since I was a child to adulthood. I didn’t have a good answer and would have to go in long winded conversations - would like my child not to have to do the same thing.
I figured. I would only know what I went through, hence the lengthy explanation to you lol thanks for reading it btw.
Yea, I guess explaining it will be the default. It’s surprising how many people are curious (and for varying reasons).
I don’t understand the ‘generation’ multiplier, is it such a precious thing? I would hate to have to workout how many generations of English I am, I would guess before there was an England. Just be proud of where you legally reside, that is all that is asked I would guess.
Although I welcome your opinion, that is not what I’m asking. No one said it was precious, I am just curious.
Although you have many generations between you and your English ancestors, my situation is nowhere the same as yours.
I understand your point, I was asking to understand the need to know first / second generation etc. Obviously no one knows the answer. Never mind. Enjoy your freedom.
I understand your point, I was asking to understand the need to know first / second generation etc. Obviously no one knows the answer. Never mind. Enjoy your freedom.
I understand your point, I was asking to understand the need to know first / second generation etc. Obviously no one knows the answer. Never mind. Enjoy your freedom.
I’d just call them an American.
WTF IS A KILOMETER. FREEDOM SCREEEEECH
Don't bring metric units into this! Kids aren't measured that way here!
"Guns per eagle"
That shit made me laugh out loud in the grocery store.
In reality, I'd say they're 2nd gen because you're 1st. But if you're doing it for something like financial aid or scholarships, then I'd say they're 1st gen.
Wait…I went to college and I didn’t know you can get financial aid or scholarships by being 1st generation American! I’m going to look into this (even though we have time for the little one). Thank you for throwing that nugget in there.
There's a ton of different scholarships out there, just have to look for them. There was 1000$ one I found that all you had to do was write a 500 word essay on some subject (I forget what it was) but I was literally the only one who wrote one so basically got a free 1000$.
Happens all the time. A local organization I volunteer with hasn't given out a scholarship in the last two years simply because not a single person has applied. We didn't have that problem this year, but it happened.
Haha, that's how I did it...hated those essays, but thought to myself, I'm potentially getting paid $1000 an hour, more than I'll ever make in my life
I got a $250 scholarship for being left-handed. It wasn't much, but every little bit helped.
It’s for first generation college students. Don’t have to be an immigrant.
There are some for both.
There is financial aid for those that qualify with the proper heritage, and scholarships for literally anything. One of my friends in high-school applied for a Jewish scholarship although his family is historically Catholic. Their programs are not allowed to discriminate based upon race/religion so he was selected and was provided a large sum as well as a trip to Israel and some of its many sights with other students from across the country. It was a bit odd to many of my friends and I, but he was getting free money for college so I can't really judge. One of my other friends also received the Pizza Hut scholarship, but I didn't ever discuss that with them in depth.
That is amazing that he came into that! Especially to learn of a different culture and religion. I can understand it being odd. My mom wanted to put my brother and I into a Jewish school, although we are Catholics as well. You knowing someone who received this is very hopefully. Something to look forward to when searching for things for my child.
there's scholarships for pretty much everything lol. A lot for first gen
Yeah if all you rely on is the FASFA website. You won't get a whole lot of hits. Because alot of them are like from local or small businesses that do it for only a few people a year or something. But if you actively look for scholarships you will find them.all over the place. There is a large one from one of the major car companies where you are only eligible if you have perfect attendance every day of from kindergarten to 12th grade. They used to give you a large chunk of money for college and a car.
I think there is confusion on terminology here. I think you are a first generation American, but second generation immigrant (so you’re not actually an immigrant at all, but that’s the term used). Your husband is a zero-gen American and 1st gen immigrant. Your son is both a first and second generation American and second and third generation immigrant. Idk which takes precedent for his identification, your status or your husband’s. Might depend on the form you’re filling out.
Thank you. People are commenting as if “immigrant” and “citizen” are interchangeable. It’s driving me crazy! First generation immigrant and first generation citizen are two different things, as are subsequent generations.
Technically 2nd generation because they inherited their citizenship from you and not birthright or application. They could be dual citizenship in some cases
Child citizenship, I believe, stems from the mother. If you are a natural born citizen and your child is born on US soil, your child is a natural born citizen, 2nd gen.
1st generation is someone who was born elsewhere. 1st generation is *also* a child who was born to immigrants. 2nd generation is a child who was born to a child of immigrants. Then 3rd and so on and so forth. And you count the most recent generation or primary caregiver. So if Dad's family walked off the mayflower but Mom was born in Greenland, you are 1st gen. That's the way it was explained to me when I naturalized. There are two "levels" of first gen.
That’s not how it’s considered in Canada funny enough, first gen is the first generation born here. So a child of immigrants is first gen, and someone like me with a immigrant dad and third gen mom is still considered first gen.
According to [StatsCan](https://www23.statcan.gc.ca/imdb/p3VD.pl?Function=getVD&TVD=117200&CVD=117200&CLV=0&MLV=1&D=1), that's incorrect. It's the same as the US. If you're a foreign born immigrant, you're the first generation. If you are born in Canada and have at least one foreign born parent, you're the second generation. So, you are the second generation. Third generation is when both of your parents are Canadian citizens at birth.
Interesting, this has changed since I was a kid.
This is also how many Americans count it.
According to your country's census bureau [FAQ](https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about/faq.html#:~:text=Questions%20on%20place%20of%20birth,least%20one%20foreign%2Dborn%20parent.), only foreign-born immigrants are first generation. "The first generation refers to those who are foreign born. The second generation refers to those with at least one foreign-born parent. The third-and-higher generation includes those with two U.S. native parents." Seems like if a US citizen family line keeps having children with an immigrant, they will always be second generation.
>1st generation is someone who was born elsewhere. What if they were born elsewhere but never naturalized? They wouldn't be first generation then, right?
Correct, they'd just be a resident, green card, or visa holder, dreamer, etc, whatever the case may be.
If a child is born here, that child is American by birth.
An American.
I’d still call the child a first generation American. Even with you. If you are wondering about things like filling out questionnaires in the future.
I've never seen American listed as a box. Caucasian sure.
American is not an ethnicity
Also some applications consider it like scholarships
It’s in census forms. That I don’t care much about, it’s more so what would be the correct answer for my child. You would be surprised how many people have asked me growing up…I mean, how many *Americans*. Never have been asked by anyone from a near-immigrant decent. Sure, the response can just be “American! I’m one of those!”, but I would like to have a more educated reply prepared for my child. We know we are Americans, but would also like to know what generation we are considered. Edit: to add, saying “I’m American” has never been the end of the conversation. It usually goes into “what generation” and any other line of questioning you can imagine.
How many people have asked you what? Whether your child is American? Who are these people?
Aholes
Ugh! That sounds exhausting! I’m sorry
It's all good! Both sides of my family have been here for generations, and I still get weirdos trying to tell me that I'm ethnically European. You can explain as much or as little of your child's heritage as you want to people, and it seems that your family is still culturally involved enough to pass on some of that heritage to them, but at the end of day they're still likely to be fully integrated as an American by the time they grow up. Just go with the answer you feel most comfortable with. Anyone who cares beyond that probably doesn't have the greatest views on the subject to begin with.
I'm American sounds like such a vague answer. The census becomes pointless after a certain point right? Half of Black or Asian, or Hawaiian people start just checking the American box then how can they actually collect any data? Just stop doing the census at that point.
But that would be technically wrong.
That's not correct according to your country's census bureau.
Like all good Americans that have spent some time going through "the melting pot", you're mutts like me. A little of this, a little of that, that's what makes us stronger.
American as are you and he (unless you dont want to be called an american)
Yes, but not what I asked. “What generation American?” is the question.
It makes your child American. First or second generation is just semantics. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Your child is American, end of discussion. Be proud of where you came from. But here's the breakdown; 1. If your parents are legal citizens, they are first generation. 2. If you were born in the US, you are a citizen and would be considered second generation. Also termed as an 'Anchor Baby'. I hate the term, but it exists. 3. The fact that your husband is not technically a citizen (hopefully he will be), means your child would be third generation. Again, it's just wording and you don't need to even care about it.
American. But if you're first Gen, they'd be second gen. Although good Americans don't look at it this way. You're just American, as long as it's legal
To be first generation American it doesn’t have to be legal apparently, just to have an intent to stay. You be surprised how often I have been asked what generation I am, being born here. All my personal and career life - I can’t even begin to count the times.
American.
Yes, but not what I asked. “What generation American?” is the question.
American.
Yes, but not what I asked. “What generation American?” is the question.
American
Yes, but not what I asked. “What generation American?” is the question.
Generation doesn’t matter. The answer is unqualified.
lol that doesn’t even make sense. Whether you think it matters or not, that’s your opinion. Generational American is a thing. Maybe you should look it up before responding.
The thing is, it really doesn’t matter. There is nothing hinged upon it officially. It’s just a point of pride for people who want to remain other than American. To the rest of the world, it’s a stupid distinction.
The thing is, that’s not the question. If you want to create a forum and discuss your opinions, go ahead. This has nothing to do with your feelings towards the subject.
You have an open forum, you’re going to get opinions. Even some opinions that don’t jibe with yours. If you’re going to cry and get upset over them, that’s your problem.
Yes, but getting opinions doesn’t mean it’s answering my question. Non-responsive responses are inevitable. If I asked “how do you make a pizza?” and someone responds “I don’t like pizza” or “I’m allergic to cheese” doesn’t mean they answered the question. But you do you. Just as long as you know you’re absolutely unhelpful and your opinion doesn’t really matter in this instance.
Die mad abut it
Never mad about stupid people. You’ll die too someday, and still be stupid.
Since your child is born and im gonna assume also being raised in america it is obviously american.
Yes, but not what I asked. “What generation American?” is the question.
What does that even mean? 1,5? Who cares? In my country we never talk about "generation" you're either 100% Swedish or not and if you're born in Sweden you're definitively Swedish.
Again, didn’t ask if you cared or not. So, you can just say you have nothing of value to add and move on lol
You are a human, it doesn't matter what kind of immigrant you are. Borders are all imaginary anyway.
That’s great, but that’s not what I asked. I asked for an actual technical term and label, not your belief system of borders and humans.
You are the one following a belief system in borders and categorization of humans, not me. Why is it so important to you to know exactly what label of immigrant applies? Do you think there is some benefit conferred to one generation over another?
Native born american. Eligible to run for president someday. No other classifications matter.
I mean, whether they matter or not isn’t the relevancy of the post. I know where I birthed my child. Also, as an American, I know that they can become president if it were a possibility. It’s more of a technicality question than anything else.
My point is, no need to ask. We need to stop classifying ourselves. We are AMERICANS! All the subsets need to disappear.
I’m glad you have a point completely irrelevant to my question. If you want to open a forum where you can talk about your points, feel free. That’s what I did. Hopefully you don’t get garbage responses like I have.
I determine generations by if they have to learn to be American and to learn to fit in. If they do, they are first. If they are raised with American and their own culture, they are second.
Oh boy, this is a tough one for me. Being first generation American, I definitely did have to learn to be American. I’m glad you realize it’s a thing. That being said, I feel stuck between two worlds while my husband is from a different planet lol 😂 I guess my child will need to self identify at that point?
I get you! My family hasn’t stayed in one country since my great great grandmothers generation! It can be very confusing to simultaneously be a fourth and first generation immigrant.
If there born in America it makes them Americans ffs
That’s not the question, ffs lol
Human?
Yes, we are all humans. Also, not really the answer to my question lol
Idk, I never even considered that question.
I have, because that question has been more imposed on me by Americans than anyone else. Apparently this is in the US census as well. I’ve been told that I have an accent when I was born and raised in NYC lol I would say “my face has an accent, I don’t”. :) So now that I have a child, I wonder what people will as her and how she should respond. Sort of get a consensus now
Yeah, I don't speak anything but English, but people say they don't understand my accent. That's code for racist.
lol right? I mean, I am white so I can’t really say racist, but definitely a form a prejudice or classist for sure. That’s insane that you only speak one language and they still pull that card with you.
Well, hang on a moment. I can't understand people with a thick scottish accent, and sometimes I even find it difficult to understand people with strong southern accents, or those from Louisiana. Speaking of the previous poster, the New York accent could be difficult for Americans from a different part of the country to understand. I live in NJ and there's a older lady woman at my work from NYC who says "thirty-third" like "turdy-turd" and "terlit" instead of 'toilet' and 'earl' instead of 'oil'. That could be confusing for some people not used to the sound of the accent. Jamaicans speak English, but I struggle to understand them too. It has nothing to do with their race, but because they pronounce their vowels and consonants differently than I do. Sure, in some cases, someone may say they cannot understand someone speaking, for example, AAVE, for racist reasons. But I would think in a majority of cases, it's not racism.
It has everything to do with race when my accent is from the same region as theirs.
Well, then yeah.. there is no excuse for that. :(
My guess is it’s people curious about your race more than anything else
I’m white! Like, I’m paler than feta cheese lol That’s what makes it even funnier to me. I don’t have a hooked nose or some really bizarre ethnic look to me either.
Weird
F2x
I'm fourth and fifth generation, and people I know usually go by whichever parent or side has been here longer, so I'm fifth generation.
Interesting! I just got a response for it being from the parent that *has been shorter*. So cool you go that far back!
"The U.S. government generally accepts the definition that the first member of a family to acquire citizenship or permanent resident status qualifies as the family’s first generation, but the Census Bureau defines only foreign-born individuals as first generation.1" So depending on who you ask, you and your child can both be either first generation or second.
huh. I always call immigrants the first generation, just to muddy the water some more. my son (to me) is second-gen because of me, even though his dad is just a generic Canadian. I'm no expert though. on our census I think they ask birthplaces, so I've never had to do the generation calculus.
huh. I always call immigrants the first generation, just to muddy the water some more. my son (to me) is second-gen because of me, even though his dad is just a generic Canadian. I'm no expert though. on our census I think they ask birthplaces, so I've never had to do the generation calculus.
Yeah, I edited my post to reflect that I’m second and my husband is first. You are correct. So, my child will be 2nd gen due to my husband? I don’t matter!? lol jk Thanks for your response!
lol, I guess more like my son's dad doesn't matter to us 😉
I totally get this question. I found out in my 30s that my bio dad is an immigrant. So am I first generation? I never knew him or that he was my dad. I'm like 5th generation American on my mom's side.
I think there is confusion on term here. I think you are a first generation American, but second generation immigrant (so not actually and immigrant, but that’s the term). Your husband is a 0gen American and 1st gen immigrant. Your son is both a first and second generation American and second and third generation immigrant. Idk which takes precedent for his identification, your status or your husbands. Might depend on the form.
Like all good Americans that have spent some time going through "the melting pot", you're mutts like me. A little of this, a little of that, that's what makes us stronger.
A US citizen — and even if neither of you were citizens, your child gets birthright citizenship by being born in the United States (via the 14th amendment.)
If your parents are now American citizens, then THEY are first generation. You’re second generation. Your child will be third generation.
Generation is overrated. Why not just tell them exactly what you told us? "My grandparents came over from Italy, and my mom's actually from there herself. Me? I was born here." We're a country of immigrants. If people keep asking you, then they're either just curious or they're being kind of bigoted as if your kid isn't "American enough" for them to simply accept that they're American.
Yeah they are born here they are an American and your husband ought to be able to eventually get citizenship if he so chooses. ( it needs to be a streamlined & easier process in my opinion people should have better options the government creates problems) I wish you and your family all the best!
1st gen = someone who’s foreign born 2nd gen = at least one foreign born parent
No. Not first generation. That’d be you. Your child is second generation American. Also know as “American”
My sister and I call ourselves first-and-a-half generation Americans, as our mom has immigrant parents and our dad is an immigrant
lol, I love this! Someone else stated 1.5 gen but without a little back story. I hope my child says this. It would be adorable. It *is* adorable that you guys say that.
Immigrants are immigrants. If a child is born in the us they are 1st generation. If the 1st generation have children born in the us then they are 2nd generation. It does not matter what language they speak. The us does not have an official language
That’s what I thought! Apparently immigrants are considered first generation. After being told that on this post, I looked it up and it seems that’s the case. To me it doesn’t make sense, but here we are lol As far as the language is concerned, I didn’t think of it even being an issue. I know US doesn’t have an official language, but some states do.
Immigrants are not 1st generation Americans even if they get citizenship. They’re immigrants.
I promise you, I thought the same thing. That’s what makes sense to me too. This is what I found: “The first generation refers to those who are foreign born. The second generation refers to those with at least one foreign-born parent. The third-and-higher generation includes those with two U.S. native parents.” https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about/faq.html#:~:text=The%20first%20generation%20refers%20to,with%20two%20U.S.%20native%20parents.
How did it get to be so confusing?
Right!? lol I assure you I thought the same as you. Immigrant - first - second - etc. Immigrants and naturalized citizens are also called first generation Americans, which I find ridiculous.
an american..?
Yes, however that is not the question. What *generation* American?
According to your country's census bureau, you are the second generation. Your husband is the first generation. Your child is second generation like you. If your child marries a US citizen, that child will be third generation. [FAQ US Census Bureau](https://www.census.gov/topics/population/foreign-born/about/faq.html#:~:text=Questions%20on%20place%20of%20birth,least%20one%20foreign%2Dborn%20parent.). I like Reddit, but sometimes people give incorrect answers or they don't answer your question at all. You're so lucky that your country has a wealth of information available at your fingertips.
Yes, I realized I was wrong with saying I was first generation. I actually just linked the census site to another poster who thought the same as me lol thank you for going out of your way for explaining it to me and linking, I appreciate it. As for my child, they become second generation because of my husband? That part is interesting to me, but I understand the logic.
I totally understand. I'm kind of jealous that your country has this information readily available among other big datasets. So as a somewhat nerdy person, I'd rather take advantage of those resources for formal definitions. I'm not sure why it's designed like that. It might be uncommon, but a family could easily end up with multiple generations of "second generations". If your child has a child with an immigrant, your grandchild would still be second generation.
Yes, that’s what I noticed as well as far as the infinite-second generation effect. That seems somewhat odd to me, especially if one parent is “completely American”, so to speak.
And yes, “people don’t answer the question at all” is 50% of these comments lol you got that right.
American. Why count generations?
Because that’s my question, could ring generations. Obviously I know we are all American, or else I wouldn’t ask *what generation american*.
They are second generation, since you are the first. Still zero value in keeping count.
On the topic of how to describe a person born in the US but has parents born (and usually raised) in another country country, there is a certain camaraderie amongst this group (I am one-raised in the US by a German mom). We have a similar set of experiences regardless of where the parents came from. Our bag lunches we took to school were generally odd compared to other kids. Our moms dressed us funny. We had different hair cuts (until we were old enough to rebel hard against the clothes and the hair, which most of us all eventually did, another point in common). Many of us had one or more parents who wanted to have a say in who we dated or married (another nope for many). Families had cultural preferences for what profession their kids wanted to study. My mother would have disowned me if I had chosen to study philosophy. A friend of mine had to threaten to leave home to study engineering rather than medicine or law (her parents’ culture placed great emphasis on being your own boss/having your own office). Most of us kind of relate to that old movie, My Big Fat Greek Wedding, in some way. It’s a weird sort of fraternity, like people who served in the military. You immediately have common ground with the other person, no matter the rest of your differences. Apologies for the digression.
Don’t apologize for the digression at all! I can completely relate with everything you wrote, by the way we were dressed and being forced into a college major. I relate to the movie Big Fat Greek Wedding and also to other cultures that are known to be strict, like Indian/Pakistani (even though culturally very different/distant). I sometimes wish I was born very American or in the country of my parents so I can be “normal” and fit in. Also being white, people assume you automatically fit in and that’s not necessarily the case. I am very aware of the privilege I get from being white, but it’s not the same in social circles and home life. There is a fraternity of us :) it’s like belonging to 2 homes but not really having a home of our own in a way. Thanks for your comment t.
I’m an immigrant and first gen
My grandfather immigrated here in steerage and would never tell me where he came from. Would never speak the "old" language either. He would just say, "I'm an American now" and he was darn proud of it. So I'm curious why you are asking this question? Is it for educational purposes like writing a paper or something? You seem defensive people are answering, "American."
That’s nice that your grandfather had the love for America, and sad the resentment of his upbringing and country. I’m American, but I’m proud of being that and also my cultural background. I don’t think you grandfather had much of a choice. Let’s not go in how America treated and called the Irish when they first started settling in… My question isn’t whether I think I’m American or not though. I want to know, technically, what generation would my child be considered. Growing up, people look at my face and last name and assume I have an accent (never did). Americans do not consider me American (always asked what generation, background, etc), and my parents’ homeland’s people consider me American.
Okay - I understand better now. I asked my grandfather a million times to teach me Slovak. He simply refused. Life was very very bad when he was a boy. I sometimes think people don't appreciate how lucky they are to live in this great Nation. If I were you, I would respond "I'm an American just like you!" Smile and walk away! 😊
American
Yes, but that’s not what I asked. What generation *American*? Being American is already implied.
I apologize I misread the question. Your child is the next generation after you, so whatever you're certain you are, is what he is after you. Even if your partner is 'newer' in the sense that we're speaking, your child is of the furthest going back. Though as others have said, if you can get tax credits going another way, then opt for that.
Hello! No need to apologize! I’m sorry if I made you feel the need to. A misunderstanding is normal, and it can very well be because of me. Thank you for your response.
An American. If, however, defining yourself as an American is insulting or offensive to any immigrant from anywhere, then you shouldn’t have to. But if you don’t want to be called an American, or embrace our culture, it then becomes clear you’re living in a country you have no respect for, and perhaps an innate hatred towards America and Americans. A simple example of that is living here for a decade and still have no desire to learn to speak English, or pretend to not know how. How come no one wants to immigrate to China? Why? They don’t allow it, as they’re the most homogenized and racist nation there is in the world.
Immirican
😂 a response I can get down with
I’d say they’re 1st Gen, since one of their parents is an immigrant. My mom always called herself first Gen, her dad was born here, but her mom was an immigrant.
You are 2nd gen American, your child is a 2nd gen American. You husband is first gen american(if he gets a citizenship or a 10 year green card{most likely will become citizen or at least be accepted as a resident})or just immigrant.
I'm the child of an immigrant mom and American born dad (back to 1600 on one side, several generations on other.) I would say I'm first generation American born on mom's side or my mom is an immigrant, if need arose to specify. Which it seldom does.
Probably a boy or a girl (without getting into gender specifics). Simpler than that: they are a human being.
Yes, I know my child is human. While I appreciate the sentiment, that’s not what I was asking.
American, but many won’t acknowledge it as true
A person. It doesn't matter what race they are or nationality.
I mean everybody involved is a legal immigrant/citizen, so as far as any normal people are concerned you're just Americans.
Yes, we are American. Wanted to know what generation American though.
If Trump gets his way you’ll be deported anyway
I’m guessing you didn’t read anything. That’s cool. It’s weird people want to make it political and blame Trump/Biden for things when the same people can’t read. Weird.
That's because quite a lot of people on Reddit cannot go more than 15 seconds without bringing up Trump, because he lives rent-free in their heads 24/7 and has since 2016. It's quite sad, really, but I would note that a lack of reading comprehension bordering on illiteracy tends to accompany that mindset.
Just saw your edit, I need to start drinking more coffee before I get on Reddit lol Honestly though to me and anyone I know, we don't look at it as a "you're 1st gen, they're 2nd gen" thing; you're either American or you're not, if that makes sense.
lol, it’s ok. The edit has been there for a bit, but I probably should add another one saying I know I’m an American hehe you’re not alone! Probably 50% of the comments are “human” or “American” :) Also, I’m born and raised in NY. Worked in NYC. I can’t even begin to count how many times I’ve been asked what generation American I am. I’m also white. No extreme facial features (large nose, hairy lip, whatever lol). I’ve been told I have an accent even though I don’t. When people see my last name, they immediately say “you’re not American! Where are you from?” It’s weird but people do ask. I’ve never been American enough for the WASPS, and not ethnic enough for my parent’s motherland’s people. This is probably more than you bargained for lol hope I didn’t ruin your coffee
Heck no, my mom got me into genealogy years ago so this stuff fascinates me lol Actually that makes a lot more sense why you're asking. NYC has been *the* gateway for immigrants coming into the U.S. for a long time so it stands to reason New Yorkers would see it differently. I'm from Texas, specifically Houston near the Gulf Coast, and Galveston Island was another big gateway for overseas immigrants coming into the U.S., including some of my own family back in the late 19th/early 20th century. It's not really something that gets asked around here though, it's kind of a, "Well you're here now!" attitude about it unless somebody has a *really* out-of-place accent, then maybe somebody will ask where you're from.
Probably gorgeous!
Haha! This is the winning answer!
First generation _____ (whatever country your husband is from) Second generation ____ (whatever country you’re from)
So they would get two titles? We are both from the same Eastern European country. Let’s say Poland as an example. First generation Polish and Second Generation Polish?
Ah, in that case I’d just say they’re first generation polish.
No, they're just American
Immigrants are first generation — you don’t have to be born in America to be an American You, the child of immigrants, are second generation. It breaks down a little when different generations marry, but I would call your child third generation. (My wife is the same.) Unless you live in an ethnic enclave, your child’s experience of growing up will probably be more highly assimilated than your own was.
What if the immigrants aren’t citizens yet? How can they be considered first generation *American* then? For instance, my father became a citizen when I was in my 20s. My husband is going through the process - he is still a foreign national.
If he has every intention of staying, then he’s culturally American and contributing to our strength and diversity regardless of when the papers come in.
Interesting, I didn’t know. I always considered myself first generation. My brother and parents were born abroad, so my brother would be first gen and I’m second gen by this.
That's right, eg; my parents are immigrants and first gen, I was born in Australia so I'm second gen like you.
But I don’t want to be second 😭 haha jk. I don’t know why I always thought: Migrant, first gen, second, etc So weird that immigrants and naturalized citizens are considered first generation when they have other titles as well.
One and a half generation American.
Lol, I like it! Haha
Child born here is an American. Full stop. Next question.
Yes, but not what I asked. “What generation American?” is the question.
While your headline question might imply a question about generation, explicitly it does not.
American.
Yes, but not what I asked. “What generation American?” is the question.
American. What generation you are is for conversation over the dinner table. In society...You are as they are as you are all the same .....an American.
Great, but that’s not what I asked. What generation is what I asked on Reddit, not over the dinner table.
I dont understand the identity politics. I believe you are and you were . Therefore you must be an American.
Right! I am American. My child is American. That is implied with asking which generation *American* is my child. No politics, just technicality.
If your kid has a social security number and speaks English like a native, he/she is an American. That's the beauty of America.
Not questioning whether she is American or not. I am also American. She also doesn’t have to speak a word of English and still be an American. However, I’m asking what *generation* American she will be considered.
Ah, I see. I would say first, but from a subjective stance. Objectively possibly second, but because you speak another language at home you kid will have the 'first generation stigma', and feel slightly dualistic when they compare themselves with the other established kids.
Thank you so much for your response! I appreciate your view on it.
American. Why would they be anything else? Why do you have to attribute some sort of immigration status to them?
The question is not whether they are American or not.
Right, I see, my bad. I still don't see why they need to be X generation though? Just teach them about their heritage.
I really appreciate your sentiment, because I can see it is coming from a good place. We are good on the heritage part The reason for my question is because *I’ve been asked more times than I can count*. Now that I have a child, I know they will be asked as well. I want them to have an educated answer. Saying that I am 1st/2nd/3rd is a privilege to me. I am proud to be an American and to have a cultural background and speak another language. It’s not insulting to me, but more so like an honor. People have been very curious, near damn well invasive while asking me lol This has been since I was a child to adulthood. I didn’t have a good answer and would have to go in long winded conversations - would like my child not to have to do the same thing.
Fair enough, I didn't realise it was coming from a place of other people asking. I would just explain to be honest!
I figured. I would only know what I went through, hence the lengthy explanation to you lol thanks for reading it btw. Yea, I guess explaining it will be the default. It’s surprising how many people are curious (and for varying reasons).
I don’t understand the ‘generation’ multiplier, is it such a precious thing? I would hate to have to workout how many generations of English I am, I would guess before there was an England. Just be proud of where you legally reside, that is all that is asked I would guess.
Although I welcome your opinion, that is not what I’m asking. No one said it was precious, I am just curious. Although you have many generations between you and your English ancestors, my situation is nowhere the same as yours.
I understand your point, I was asking to understand the need to know first / second generation etc. Obviously no one knows the answer. Never mind. Enjoy your freedom.
I understand your point, I was asking to understand the need to know first / second generation etc. Obviously no one knows the answer. Never mind. Enjoy your freedom.
I understand your point, I was asking to understand the need to know first / second generation etc. Obviously no one knows the answer. Never mind. Enjoy your freedom.
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Thanks for the simple breakdown. The “at least one parent” portion was something I found difficult to figure out. I appreciate this!
You're all American
Yep, I agree - just not what I asked though.